The Thrilling Potential for Off-Grid Solar Energy | Amar Inamdar | TED
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翻译人员: Qinghui Yu
校对人员: Yuan Yuan
00:12
There's something
really incredible happening.
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在这个世界上,有一些
不可思议的变化正在发生。
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So there's over a billion people
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目前全世界有
超过十亿的人用不上电。
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who have no access to energy
whatsoever across the world,
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620 million of them here in Africa.
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其中6200万在非洲。
00:23
It costs about 1,500 dollars to connect
each household up to the grid.
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每户家庭连接电网
所需的费用是1500美元。
00:28
If you are going to wait for it,
it takes about nine years, on average,
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如果你想等攒够了钱,
大概平均需要九年时间,
等你成功连上电时,
感觉好像一辈子都快过去了。
00:32
and that feels like a lifetime
when you're trying to make that happen.
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这简直是难以置信,
00:35
That's kind of unbelievable,
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00:36
and it's also unacceptable.
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也是无法接受的。
00:39
So let's do something about it.
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所以,是时候该采取行动了。
00:42
The lightbulb comes from this idea
that you have an energy system
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拥有一个能源系统是
电灯泡诞生的前提。
00:45
that's made up of the ideas of Tesla
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这个发明创意是由特斯拉
00:49
and the ideas of Thomas Edison.
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和托马斯·爱迪生的理论综合而成的。
00:52
There was an evolution that said
it's not just about the lightbulb,
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这场革命可不仅仅是关于电灯泡,
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it's about the whole system,
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而是关于整个能源系统,
00:56
the whole energy system
that goes with that lightbulb,
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与电灯泡相适应的整个能源系统。
00:59
and what happened in that gilded age
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在镀金时代(美国内战后至一战前),
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was the creation of an industrial system
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美国建立了工业体系。
01:05
that every country around the world
has now started to emulate.
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而如今,世界各国都纷纷效仿。
01:08
So to get to the appliances,
you need to have power stations.
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所以要用上家电,就得有发电站。
01:11
From power stations,
you need to have infrastructure,
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要想建设发电站,你需要有基础设施
01:13
and that infrastructure takes you
to the point of having electricity,
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来帮助你实现通电,
01:16
and you get to the lightbulbs
and the appliances
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然后你才能用上电灯泡和家用电器。
这一切在我们眼中,都是理所当然的。
01:19
that we all take for granted.
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01:20
But the amazing thing, in a way,
is that there's a revolution happening
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但其可贵之处在于,这场革命发生在
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in the villages and towns
all around us here in East Africa.
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东非的农村和乡镇中。
01:28
And the revolution is an echo
of the cell phone revolution.
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这场革命是对手机革命的回应。
它也是无线的,
01:34
It's wireless,
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01:36
and that revolution is about solar
and it's about distributed solar.
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是关于分布式太阳能发电的革命。
01:39
Photons are wireless,
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光子是无线的,
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they fall on every rooftop,
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它们洒落在每一个屋顶上,
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and they generate enough power
to be sufficient for every household need.
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能产生巨大的电能,
足以满足每个家庭的用电需要。
所以,这是一个极其伟大的革命。
01:49
So that's an incredible thing.
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01:50
There's also a problem with it.
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不过有一个问题。
01:53
Up until now, the technology
hasn't been there to make it happen,
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直到现在,这项技术
还未能在东非成功推行,
01:56
and the mindset has been
that we have to have the grid
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而我们的理念是,我们必须有电网,
02:02
to provide industrial growth
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才能促进工业增长,
02:04
and let countries develop
and create jobs and industrialize.
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让各国蓬勃发展,创造更多就业机会,
实现工业化社会。
而我们目前面临的困境是
02:09
So we've gotten ourselves to the point
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02:12
where actually the costs
of building these grids
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建造电网以及遵循这种发展模式
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and following that pattern of development
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所需要的费用之大
02:17
are really unsustainable.
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实在是难以为继。
02:20
If you add up the deficits
that all of the utilities run in Africa,
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如果你把所有在非洲运行的
公共事业的赤字加起来,
02:25
sub-Saharan Africa,
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再加上撒哈拉以南非洲地区的,
02:28
you get to a number
of 21 billion dollars every year
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你得到的数字将会是
每年210亿美元,
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to maintain that system and keep it going.
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需要这样一笔巨大的资金
才能维护这个系统继续运行。
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So an extraordinary amount of resources
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因此大量的资源
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that's been put in to creating a system
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都已经被投入于建设这个系统,
02:40
that ultimately we will have
to wait a very long time for,
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但结果,这个系统需要我们
等很久才能完全落实,
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and when it comes,
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等到真正建成的那天,
02:46
it often doesn't come
with sufficient robustness
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这个体系往往缺乏足够的稳固性,
02:49
to allow us to go down
that path to development.
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无法维持国家的持续发展。
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So what a shame.
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这实在是太遗憾了。
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But here's what's happening,
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但是也有好消息。
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and here's the opportunity that I think
we should all get excited about.
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我认为这其中存在着
巨大的机遇等待我们发掘。
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So there's a group of companies
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那么有一些公司
03:01
that have been chipping away
at this problem over the last 10 years,
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在过去十年里一直在尝试
一步一步解决这个问题,
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and this group of companies
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这些公司
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have recognized the reality
that there's a great big nuclear reactor
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已经意识到有一个超大型核反应堆
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up there in the sky,
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就处于我们头顶上的天空,
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and that Africa is more endowed
with that solar power
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而非洲的太阳能资源更是得天独厚,
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that comes from the sky, the sun,
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在非洲,太阳赐予的能量
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than almost any other continent.
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几乎比任何其他大陆都要多。
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So the opportunity has come
to convert some of that solar power,
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因此机会就在于将部分太阳能,
03:27
wireless power, into energy
at the household level.
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这种无线能源转化为家用电能。
03:31
And three things have happened
at the same time.
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在此过程中,还同时发生了三个变化。
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First, the costs of solar
productivity have come down.
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一是太阳能发电的成本已经下降了。
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So putting a panel on your roof
and generating power from it,
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因此,在你家屋顶上
安装太阳能板来发电,
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that cost has absolutely collapsed
over the last 30 years,
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这一成本在过去的30年间
已经大幅下降了,
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and it's gone down by 95 percent.
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降幅达95%。
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Second, the appliance network.
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二是关于家电网络。
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So the group of appliances
that we've all gotten used to,
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这些家用电器我们都已经用习惯了,
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we all want and we all need,
we all see as part of our everyday lives
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它们是我们想要甚至必需的,
被我们视作是日常生活的一部分,
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that give us health and security,
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保障了我们的健康和安全,
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those appliances have come down in cost.
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而那些电器的成本也都下降了。
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So if you take the LED lightbulb,
for example, a very simple thing,
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举一个简单的例子,如果你用LED灯泡,
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they're now 85 percent less
than they were five years ago,
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它们现在的价格比5年前降低了85%。
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and their efficiency, when you
compare them to an incandescent bulb,
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但如果你把它们的效率
与白炽灯进行比较,
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like the lightbulb I showed
in the previous slide,
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就是我在之前的幻灯片中
展示过的那种灯泡,
你会发现两者有着天壤之别。
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is incredible.
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They give you 10 times
the amount of light,
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LED灯提供的光能是白炽灯的10倍,
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and they last 30 times as long.
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而它们的寿命期白炽灯的30倍。
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And then the last thing that's happened
is of course the cell phone revolution,
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最后一件无疑是与手机革命有关,
事实上我们正在
借助手机革命的浪潮,
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so we're piggybacking
off the cell phone revolution,
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04:28
and we can now make decentralized
customers make small payments
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目前,我们可以让零散客户
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for bits of equipment and appliances
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为一些设备和家电付小额款项,
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where actually they're now affordable.
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实际上他们现在是负担得起的。
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We can pay them off
over a daily or a weekly schedule.
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我们可以按日或按周分期结清。
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So this is an incredible change
in the economy that's happening,
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这对非洲经济而言
是一个巨大的飞跃。
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and it's really opened up
something very, very innovative.
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它的确带来了一些
非常有创意的变化。
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So I'm going to introduce you
to a lady I met with last week.
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现在,我要给你们介绍
一位我上周认识的女士。
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Her name's Susan.
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她叫苏珊。
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It may not look like it,
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也许看起来不太像,
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but Susan is a representative
of a $27 billion market.
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但事实上她代表着
价值270亿美元的市场。
无数像苏珊一样的人
每年共计花费270亿美元
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27 billion dollars is what people
like Susan spend every year
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05:02
on cell phone charging,
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在手机充电、
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flashlight batteries and kerosene
to light their homes.
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手电筒电池、
以及家用照明的煤油上。
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So Susan is a proud owner
of a small solar system.
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苏珊很自豪,她仿佛拥有了
一个小太阳系来满足她的用电需求。
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It's a kit rather than a planetary thing,
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这是一整套设备而非单件器具,
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so a small solar system,
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所以是一个小太阳系,
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and her small solar system
allows her to have a couple of lightbulbs,
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而她的小太阳系让她
拥有了几个电灯泡,
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and she's made this transition,
this jump, from kerosene into light.
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她实现了从煤油到电灯的跨越。
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She has four or five lights and a radio.
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她拥有四到五个灯和一个收音机。
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It's fantastic, and she talks about it.
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这真的很棒。
她谈起她改变后的生活。
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She talks about her kids doing homework
at night because she has light.
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她说,她的孩子晚上
可以做功课了,因为家里有灯。
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I'm not sure what
the kids feel about that.
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虽然我不确定孩子们感觉如何。
05:36
She talks about the fact that she can
go out at 4am and look after the cows,
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但苏珊说她可以凌晨4点
出门去照料奶牛,
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and she's not so worried,
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而且丝毫不用担心天太黑,
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but also, with a little
twinkle in her eye,
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谈到动情处,她眼中
甚至有泪光在闪烁。
她说在晚上,灯光将
冰冷的房子变成温暖的家。
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she talks about how light
turns her house into a home at night.
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She's not scared
of her own house at night,
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她现在晚上不用再害怕
自己的房子了,
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because it has light in it,
and I thought that was amazing.
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因为家里有灯,这真的很棒。
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So Susan does something
that many customers of these companies
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苏珊做了一些事情,
和我提到的公司的顾客
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that I talked about do,
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做的事情不谋而合,
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and she forces us to innovate.
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她迫使我们去创新。
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She challenges companies, saying,
"I've got the radio and the lights.
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她给公司提出挑战,
说:“我已经有收音机和灯了。
但我还想要一台电视机。
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You know what? I'd like a TV.
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06:08
I'd like to entertain,
educate me and my kids.
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我想要丰富娱乐生活,
想通过电视自学,并教育孩子。
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And then I would like to have
some hair clippers for my kids,
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其次,为了我的孩子考虑,
我还想要几个理发器,
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you know, to cut my kids' hair,
and I'd love to have a fridge.
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我得替孩子理发,
此外我还很想有一个冰箱。”
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And she's coined something
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她创造了一些
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that the energy world
is really hungry to do.
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能源行业迫切希望实现的事情。
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The idea that she's coined
is the energy ladder.
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她提出的是“能源阶梯”的想法。
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It starts, again, with a lightbulb. Right?
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这次还是从一个灯泡开始。
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And the lightbulb is an idea
that we can get our kids to do homework,
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灯泡只是一个初步想法,
它让我们的孩子能够在家做功课,
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and very cheap, about five dollars,
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而且很便宜,大概只要五美元,
06:40
and we can get it distributed.
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我们可以分发灯泡。
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But then let's go up from there.
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但我们要从更高的层次看。
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This is the kit that Susan has:
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这是苏珊所拥有的:
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four lightbulbs, radio,
maybe a little flashlight,
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四个灯泡,一个收音机,
也许还有一个小手电筒,
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a little solar panel on the roof.
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还有屋顶上的一个小太阳能电池板。
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And then let's go up again.
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我们再上一层。
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We can get maybe at about 500 dollars,
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这一套大概还需要500美元,
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the previous kit was maybe $150,
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而之前拥有的全部家电配件
总价值约150美元,
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again, paid for over time,
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这次也是分期付款,
07:03
two years to pay it all off,
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两年内全部付清,
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you can get the TV,
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你就可以拿到电视,
07:05
so the lightbulbs and the TV.
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那么这时就拥有了灯泡和电视。
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And you start to ask yourself,
"So where is this headed?"
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于是你开始问自己,
“这一理念将指引我们走向何方?”
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Is this headed here,
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这是否会
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where we can have distributed systems
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让我们可以拥有分布式系统,
07:16
with the right infrastructure
to provide power
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配备有合适的基础设施,
07:18
for our hospitals and our schools?
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为我们的医院和学校来提供电力?
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And really how far can this go?
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这真的能帮助我们实现这些吗?
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And this is the mindset shift
that I think is really exciting.
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不过这种心态上的转变
真的很鼓舞人心。
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How far can we go?
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我们到底能走多远?
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Could it get up to here?
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这种理念真的能奏效吗?
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You know, this is the conceptual design
for one of the world's biggest factories,
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要知道,这一概念设计
是来自于世界上最大的工厂之一,
07:35
designed to be fully solar-powered
and fully off grid.
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旨在实现完全依靠
太阳能供电的离网型照明。
07:40
Maybe we can get that.
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也许我们是可以做到的。
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So there's a generation of these companies
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确实有这样一群公司
07:46
that are out there doing this work
and creating thousands of jobs,
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在坚持朝着这个方向努力,
创造了数以千计的工作机会,
07:52
creating, selling, tens of thousands
of these solar systems,
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制造并销售了数以万计的
这种太阳能发电系统,
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so bringing tens of thousands
of families into light,
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让无数家庭用上电灯,
07:59
and tackling that big $1 billion problem
that I talked about at the beginning,
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并正在解决我之前提过的
那个10亿美元的大问题。
08:03
and really innovating.
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它们才是真的在创新。
08:05
And what they're doing is,
they're not only energy companies,
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此外,它们的业务范围很广,
不仅仅是能源公司,
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they're also credit finance companies,
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还是信贷财务公司,
08:11
so they're bringing
people into an economy.
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带人们参与进经济社会中。
08:14
They're retail companies,
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它们还是零售公司,
08:17
so they're taking products out
to people in the connecting markets.
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把产品销售给中介市场的客户。
08:21
And they're appliance companies,
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它们还是家电公司,
08:23
so they're developing
extraordinary products
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正在研发卓越的、
08:25
that are very efficient and very cheap.
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高效而又廉价的产品。
08:29
So an extraordinary thing
is happening out there
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因此,伟大的变化正在那里发生,
08:31
that's worth recognizing.
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它值得世界的认可。
08:35
And where does it take us?
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然而,它又将带领我们走向何方?
08:36
From a governmental perspective,
from a social perspective,
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从政府和社会的角度来看,
08:40
it takes us out to two really big goals.
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它引领我们去实现
两个非常宏大的目标。
08:44
We aspire towards
energy access for everybody,
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一是我们渴望为每个人提供能源,
08:47
and we aspire towards
a fully-functioning low-carbon economy.
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其次,我们希望建设
一个功能完善的低碳经济。
08:54
And we're getting to the point
where we're seeing
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我们此刻正在朝着目标努力,
一个功能完善的低碳经济
08:56
the fully-functioning low-carbon economy
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不仅是让人们能够接入电网,
08:58
is not just about
getting people onto the grid,
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09:03
it's about getting people onto electricity
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更要让人们用上电,
09:06
and doing it in a way
that's really dignified.
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并以一种有尊严的方式实现。
请各位想象一下,
09:13
So I want us all
to picture it for a moment,
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09:16
really picture what this could mean:
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认真思考这可能意味着什么:
09:18
[New energy ecosystem]
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[新能源生态系统]
09:20
an energy system that's not
just about subsistence power,
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这个能源系统不仅能提升生存能力,
09:23
getting the family off the kerosene,
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帮助一些家庭
从煤油时代进入电灯时代,
09:26
but it's actually the full suite
of appliances and tools
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事实上它能提供
一整套的家电和工具,
09:33
and productivity
that we've all gotten used to,
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并带来与之相适应的生产力,
尽管这些我们都已经习以为常了。
09:36
so actually energy at a scale
that can drive industrial development.
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而实际上能达到这等规模的
能源系统就足以推动工业发展了。
09:41
And it's the ability to have
powerful tools.
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同时,这也是一种
拥有高效工具的能力,
09:47
It's the ability to be productive
in the households, as a farmer,
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是一种在农户中高效生产的
能力,无论你是农民、
09:51
or as a carpenter or as a tailor
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木匠、还是裁缝,
09:53
and get your businesses to work
and bring you into the economy.
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并让企业家的公司能够运转,
引领人们进入低碳经济。
09:57
And I was working again
a couple of days ago with a farmer
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几天前,我还与一位农民打过交道,
10:00
just outside of Nairobi, small field,
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就在内罗比(肯尼亚首都)
郊外的小田地里,
10:03
and he has an irrigation pump
that's run off solar,
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他有一个灌溉泵,是太阳能驱动的,
10:06
and he was bragging about
how much of a difference it made
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他向我夸耀这个机器
给他的生产力带来了巨大的提升。
10:10
to his productivity.
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10:12
When we were listening to him,
we were asking ourselves,
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当我们在听他的故事时,
我们问自己,
什么时候
10:15
at what point will it be
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你会用屋顶上的太阳能电池板
为你的电动代步车充电,
10:17
that actually, you will be charging
an electric scooter off your rooftop
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10:21
and taking your crops to market
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并且把你的农作物运输到市场上时,
10:23
with mobility that you've charged
yourself, using your own power?
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你用的是自己生产的电能?
10:30
And that's an extraordinary thing
that's happening,
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这一正在发生的变化是非常伟大的,
当你听苏珊和弗朗西斯
述说他们的故事时,
10:33
and if you listen to Susan and Francis,
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10:34
you get to this point where you say,
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你会得出这样的结论:
10:36
"These guys have
this extraordinary sense of dignity
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“这些人拥有这种非凡的尊严感,
10:41
about the way they're
achieving their power,
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来源于他们获取电能的方式,
10:43
the sense of ownership
and the sense of pride,
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同时他们还拥有
所有权意识和自豪感。
10:46
and I'm going to flip
into a little tiny video clip,
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现在,我将播放一个短视频片段,
10:49
which is from a distributor of one
of these companies that I'm talking about.
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是来自我谈到的
这些公司中的一个经销商。
10:52
And he puts it better
than anyone I've ever heard it.
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他所讲的比我听过的
其他任何人的都要好。
10:55
So just listen to this.
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大家听听看。
10:58
Martin: So if it does happen
that we get to a point
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马丁:如果我们真的能做到,
11:01
where every home has their own
independent supply of energy,
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使每个家庭都有独立的能源供应,
11:06
that will give us the democracy of energy.
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这将给我们带来能源民主。
11:09
That's it.
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就是这样。
11:10
And everybody has that choice,
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每个人都有这个选择,
11:12
and everybody knows
when they want to switch it on or off,
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众所周知,当他们想打开或关闭它时,
11:15
whether they want to sell access
or whether they want to store it.
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无论他们是想出售还是留着,
11:18
That freedom getting back
into the hands of the consumer,
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自由选择权都在消费者的手中。
11:22
that would be the most exciting thing.
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这将是最令人兴奋的事情。
11:27
Amar Inamdar: Brilliant, right?
That was Martin,
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演讲者:这很棒是吧?这就是马丁。
11:30
and he has a really
wonderful turn of phrase,
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他的措辞非常出色,
11:32
and what a sense of vision
that he captures.
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同时拥有卓越的眼界。
11:36
So picture that for a moment:
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大家想象一下:
11:38
every household a proud producer
as well as consumer of energy ...
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每一个家庭既是一个骄傲的能源生产者,
也是一个能源消耗者。
11:47
the ability to generate power,
to share power, to sell power,
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无论是发电、与他人分享电能、
还是出售电能,
11:51
all coming from your own generating asset
sitting on your own property.
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全部都来自于您自己的生财资产,
都是您自己的财产。
11:56
Maybe even think about
crowdsourcing with your neighbors
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或许您甚至考虑过依靠自己的能力
11:59
the grid from the ground up,
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与邻居一起众包电网,
12:01
rather than waiting for the government
to bring it from the top down.
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而不是空等政府自上而下地来分配。
12:05
So in Africa, we have this
extraordinary opportunity right now,
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因此,在非洲,
我们现在有一个绝佳的机会,
12:11
an extraordinary opportunity,
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一个非凡的机会,
12:13
to change the world
and create an energy system
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来改变世界,并创建一个能源系统,
12:16
that everybody will be jealous of,
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所有人肯定都会艳羡的这个系统的,
12:19
and everybody will look to us
as the innovators of.
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大家会把我们视为创新者。
12:23
And that's the democracy of energy.
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而这就是能源民主。
12:27
Thank you very much.
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非常感谢你们的倾听。
12:29
(Applause)
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(掌声)
主持人:现在让我们
进入快速提问环节。
12:33
Chris Anderson: Quick question.
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12:34
So it's a really exciting vision.
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您所讲的的确是
一个非常令人兴奋的愿景。
12:36
Help us understand,
what are the key roadblocks right now?
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能给我们讲讲,
现在遇到的主要障碍是什么吗?
12:39
Like, what could make this go faster?
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比如,怎样才能使它运作得更快?
12:43
AI: So the first one, I think, is really
the intermittency of solar power.
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演讲人:首先,我认为是
太阳能发电的间歇性问题。
12:47
So the problem is that the sun
only shines for 12 hours a day,
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这个问题在于
太阳每天只能发光12小时,
12:51
so you've got darkness for 12 hours a day,
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因此一天中有12个小时是黑夜,
12:54
and we need to have storage solutions
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我们就需要有制定存储电能的方案,
12:56
that are better to help us
take us down that path.
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这能帮助我们
在这条路上更好地发展下去。
12:58
So storage is really one.
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所以存储问题真的是
目前较大的一个阻碍。
13:00
CA: And those prices are coming down.
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主持人:而且价格正在下跌。
13:02
AI: And those prices
are coming down very quickly.
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演讲者:是的,价格会下跌得很快。
第二个问题是关于电器的。
13:04
Second, the appliance set.
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13:06
So it needs to get more efficient,
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我们得提高它的效率,
13:08
and it needs to get more diverse.
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使之更加多样化。
13:09
We need to do more of the things
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我们还需要做更多的事情。
13:11
we in Africa want to do
with the appliance set.
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我们想在非洲改进配套的家电设备。
13:13
CA: DC appliances.
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主持人:直流电器。
13:14
AI: DC appliances,
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演讲人:是的,直流电器。
13:16
and I think there's a real
opportunity there, Chris.
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克里斯,我认为这其中
存在着巨大的机遇。
13:18
I think the opportunity
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在我看来,这一机遇
我们可以转移部分花在当前电力系统上的
13:20
is that we could shift some of these
21 billion dollars of subsidies
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13:25
that governments are spending
on the current electricity system
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高达210亿美元的政府补贴,
13:28
and we could promote R&D here in Africa
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然后我们可以促进非洲的研发,
13:32
to create some of these products,
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开发一些这类的产品,
13:34
to be some of these entrepreneurs,
and make this happen.
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成为这些企业家中的一员,
让这些计划成真。
13:36
So create this new system here.
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因此,要在这里建设这个新系统。
13:39
CA: And some of the companies themselves,
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主持人:有些公司本身也存在顾虑,
13:41
I mean, there's plenty of demand there.
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我是说这里的市场有大量的需求。
13:43
What's holding them back
from supplying that demand?
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是什么阻碍他们回应这些需求?
13:46
I mean, some of them talk about,
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他们中有一些人说,
13:47
they would like to sell 10x
what they can currently sell.
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他们想卖出现在售价的10倍。
13:50
AI: Exactly. So for many
of these capitals,
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演讲者:的确如此。
对许多这类的资产而言,
13:53
it's that markets don't price
consumer risk very well,
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市场无法给消费者的风险合理定价。
13:56
and particularly in markets like ours,
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特别是像我们这样的
13:58
in emerging markets and here in Africa.
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一些新兴市场和非洲的市场。
14:02
So there's not enough working capital
coming into this space
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所以才缺乏足够的
营运资本进入这个市场。
14:05
because the big financiers
look at this space and say,
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因为金融大亨评估这个市场时会说:
“我不知道如何给风险定价,
所以我要远离它。”
14:08
"I don't know how to price that risk,
so I'm going to stay away from it."
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这就是让这些公司望而却步的原因。
14:11
And that's holding
a lot of these companies back.
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14:14
CA: Well, it's incredibly exciting
to picture what could happen here.
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主持人:想象一下这里的前景
的确非常振奋人心。
14:18
In my mind, this might be
the biggest leapfrog of them all.
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在我看来,
这可能是其中最大的突破。
14:22
And thank you for all you're doing
and for sharing that vision
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感谢你所做的一切,
并积极地与我们分享
这一美好愿景。
14:25
so powerfully.
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