Michael Dickinson: How a fly flies

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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Prevodilac: Aniko Kovac Lektor: Mile Živković
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I grew up watching Star Trek. I love Star Trek.
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Odrastao sam gledajući Zvezdane staze. Obožavam Zvezdane staze.
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Star Trek made me want to see alien creatures,
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Zbog Zvezdanih staza sam poželeo da vidim vanzemaljska stvorenja,
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creatures from a far-distant world.
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stvorenja iz jednog dalekog sveta.
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But basically, I figured out that I could find
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Ali sam, u suštini, otkrio da ta vanzemaljska bića
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those alien creatures right on Earth.
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mogu da nađem i ovde na Zemlji.
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And what I do is I study insects.
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I ono što radim jeste da proučavam insekte.
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I'm obsessed with insects, particularly insect flight.
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Opsednut sam insektima, posebno letom insekata.
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I think the evolution of insect flight is perhaps
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Mislim da je evolucija letenja insekata možda
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one of the most important events in the history of life.
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jedan od najvažnijih događaja u istoriji života.
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Without insects, there'd be no flowering plants.
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Bez insekata, biljke ne bi cvetale.
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Without flowering plants, there would be no
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Bez cvetova, ne bi bilo
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clever, fruit-eating primates giving TED Talks.
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inteligentnih primata koji jedu voće i drže TED govore.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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Now,
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Sada,
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David and Hidehiko and Ketaki
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Dejvid i Hidehiko i Ketaki
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gave a very compelling story about
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su ispričali jednu veoma ubedljivu priču
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the similarities between fruit flies and humans,
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o sličnostima između vinskih mušica i ljudi,
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and there are many similarities,
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a postoji mnogo sličnosti,
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and so you might think that if humans are similar to fruit flies,
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pa biste vi mogli da pomislite da je, ako su ljudi slični vinskim mušicama,
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the favorite behavior of a fruit fly might be this, for example --
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primer omiljene aktivnosti vinske mušice, na primer, ovo -
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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but in my talk, I don't want to emphasize on the similarities
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ali tokom mog govora ne želim da naglašavam sličnosti
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between humans and fruit flies, but rather the differences,
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među ljudima i vinskim mušicama, već razlike
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and focus on the behaviors that I think fruit flies excel at doing.
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i želim da se fokusiram na ponašanja u kojima su vinske mušice nenadmašive, koliko mislim.
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And so I want to show you a high-speed video sequence
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Želim da vam pokažem ubrzani snimak
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of a fly shot at 7,000 frames per second in infrared lighting,
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mušice, snimljen sa 7.000 kadrova u sekundi, u infracrvenom osvetljenju.
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and to the right, off-screen, is an electronic looming predator
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Sa desne strane, van ekrana, je skriveni elekronski grabljivac
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that is going to go at the fly.
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koji planira da napadne mušicu.
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The fly is going to sense this predator.
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Mušica će da oseti ovog grabljivca.
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It is going to extend its legs out.
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Ispružiće noge.
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It's going to sashay away
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Odleteće na drugu stranu
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to live to fly another day.
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kako bi preživela da leti još jedan dan.
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Now I have carefully cropped this sequence
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Ja sam pažljivo isekao ovu sekvencu
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to be exactly the duration of a human eye blink,
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da bude tačno dužine trajanja treptaja ljudskog oka,
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so in the time that it would take you to blink your eye,
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tako da će za vreme koje bi vam bilo potrebno da trepnete,
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the fly has seen this looming predator,
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mušica primetiti preteću grabljivicu,
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estimated its position, initiated a motor pattern to fly it away,
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proceniti njenu poziciju, pokrenuti motorički obrazac kako bi odletela,
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beating its wings at 220 times a second as it does so.
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mašući krilima 220 puta u sekundi.
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I think this is a fascinating behavior
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Mislim da je ovo fascinantno ponašanje
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that shows how fast the fly's brain can process information.
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koje pokazuje brzinu kojom je mozak mušice sposoban da obradi informacije.
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Now, flight -- what does it take to fly?
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Sada, let - šta je potrebno da bismo leteli?
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Well, in order to fly, just as in a human aircraft,
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Za let, baš kao i na ljudskim letelicama,
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you need wings that can generate sufficient aerodynamic forces,
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potrebna su krila koja stvaraju dovoljno aerodinamičke sile,
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you need an engine sufficient to generate the power required for flight,
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potreban je motor dovoljne jačine da stvori snagu potrebnu za let
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and you need a controller,
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i potreban je upravljač,
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and in the first human aircraft, the controller was basically
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koji je u prvoj ljudskoj letelici u suštini bio
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the brain of Orville and Wilbur sitting in the cockpit.
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mozak Orvila i Vilbura koji su sedeli u kokpitu.
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Now, how does this compare to a fly?
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Kako ovo možemo porediti sa mušicom?
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Well, I spent a lot of my early career trying to figure out
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Na početku svoje karijere, proveo sam dosta vremena pokušavajući da oktrijem
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how insect wings generate enough force to keep the flies in the air.
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kako krila insekta stvaraju dovoljno sile da održe mušice u vazduhu.
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And you might have heard how engineers proved
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Možda ste čuli kako su inženjeri dokazali
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that bumblebees couldn't fly.
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da bumbari ne mogu da lete.
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Well, the problem was in thinking that the insect wings
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Problem je bio u tome što su mislili da krila insekta
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function in the way that aircraft wings work. But they don't.
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fukcionišu kao i krila aviona. Ali to nije tako.
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And we tackle this problem by building giant,
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Prišli smo problemu tako što smo izgradili džinovski,
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dynamically scaled model robot insects
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srazmerni model robota insekta
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that would flap in giant pools of mineral oil
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koji bi mahao krilima u velikim rezervoarima punim mineralnog ulja
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where we could study the aerodynamic forces.
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gde smo mogli da proučavamo aerodinamičke sile.
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And it turns out that the insects flap their wings
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Ispostavilo se da insekti mašu krilima
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in a very clever way, at a very high angle of attack
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na veoma domišljat način, pod velikim uglom
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that creates a structure at the leading edge of the wing,
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koji stvara jednu strukturu na vodećoj ivici krila,
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a little tornado-like structure called a leading edge vortex,
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malu strukturu nalik tornadu, koja se zove vir vodeće ivice,
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and it's that vortex that actually enables the wings
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i upravo taj vir omogućava krilima
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to make enough force for the animal to stay in the air.
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da stvore dovoljno sile kako bi životinja ostala u vazduhu.
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But the thing that's actually most -- so, what's fascinating
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Ali stvar koja je najfascinantija
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is not so much that the wing has some interesting morphology.
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nije to što krila imaju neku zanimljivu strukturu.
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What's clever is the way the fly flaps it,
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Ono što je domišljato jeste način na koji mušica njima maše,
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which of course ultimately is controlled by the nervous system,
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što je, naravno, pod kontrolom njihovog nervnog sistema
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and this is what enables flies to perform
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i to je ono što omogućava mušicama da izvedu
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these remarkable aerial maneuvers.
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ove neverovatne vazdušne manevre.
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Now, what about the engine?
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A šta je sa motorom?
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The engine of the fly is absolutely fascinating.
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Motor mušice je apsolutno fascinantan.
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They have two types of flight muscle:
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One imaju dve vrste mišića za letenje:
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so-called power muscle, which is stretch-activated,
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takozvane mišiće snage, koji se aktiviraju zatezanjem,
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which means that it activates itself and does not need to be controlled
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što znači da se oni sami aktiviraju i nervni sistem ih ne mora kontrolisati
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on a contraction-by-contraction basis by the nervous system.
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od kontrakcije do kontrakcije.
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It's specialized to generate the enormous power required for flight,
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Ovaj mišić se usavršio za stvaranje ogromne snage potrebne za letenje
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and it fills the middle portion of the fly,
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i on se proteže središnjim delom mušice,
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so when a fly hits your windshield,
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tako da je u trenutku kada vam ona udari u vetrobran,
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it's basically the power muscle that you're looking at.
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ono što vidite u stvari snaga tog mišića.
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But attached to the base of the wing
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Ali pri korenu krila
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is a set of little, tiny control muscles
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postoji skup malih, sitnih mišića za kontrolu
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that are not very powerful at all, but they're very fast,
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koji uopšte nisu snažni, ali su veoma brzi
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and they're able to reconfigure the hinge of the wing
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i oni su sposobni da izmene položaj krila
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on a stroke-by-stroke basis,
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prilikom svakog zamaha
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and this is what enables the fly to change its wing
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i to omogućava mušici da pomera krila
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and generate the changes in aerodynamic forces
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i stvara promene u aerodinamičkim silama
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which change its flight trajectory.
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koje menjaju putanju leta.
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And of course, the role of the nervous system is to control all this.
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I naravno, uloga nervnog sistema je kontrola svega ovoga.
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So let's look at the controller.
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Hajde da pogledamo kontroler.
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Now flies excel in the sorts of sensors
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Mušice imaju razne vrste izvanrednih senzora
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that they carry to this problem.
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kojima rešavaju ovaj problem.
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They have antennae that sense odors and detect wind detection.
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Imaju antene kojima osećaju mirise i kretanje vetra.
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They have a sophisticated eye which is
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Imaju istančano oko koje je
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the fastest visual system on the planet.
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najbrži vizuelni sistem na planeti.
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They have another set of eyes on the top of their head.
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Imaju još jedan par očiju na vrhu glave.
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We have no idea what they do.
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Nemamo pojma za šta ona služe.
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They have sensors on their wing.
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Imaju senzore na krilima.
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Their wing is covered with sensors, including sensors
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Krila su im pokrivena senzorima, uključujući i senzore
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that sense deformation of the wing.
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za promene na krilima.
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They can even taste with their wings.
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Oni čak mogu i da osete ukuse sa krilima.
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One of the most sophisticated sensors a fly has
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Jedan od najistančanijih senzora na mušici
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is a structure called the halteres.
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je struktura po imenu "mutilice".
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The halteres are actually gyroscopes.
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Ove mutilice su u stvari žiroskopi.
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These devices beat back and forth about 200 hertz during flight,
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Ovi mehanizmi se kreću napred i nazad brzinom oko 200 herca tokom leta
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and the animal can use them to sense its body rotation
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i životinja može da ih upotrebi da oseti rotaciju tela
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and initiate very, very fast corrective maneuvers.
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i započne veoma, veoma brze manevre za korekciju.
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But all of this sensory information has to be processed
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Ali sve ove čulne informacije mora da obradi
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by a brain, and yes, indeed, flies have a brain,
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mozak, i da, zaista, mušice imaju mozak,
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a brain of about 100,000 neurons.
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mozak od oko 100.000 neurona.
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Now several people at this conference
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Nekoliko ljudi na ovoj konferenciji
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have already suggested that fruit flies could serve neuroscience
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je već izjavilo kako vinske mušice mogu da doprinesu neurologiji
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because they're a simple model of brain function.
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zbog jednostavnosti funkcija njihovog mozga.
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And the basic punchline of my talk is,
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I glavna tačka mog govora jeste,
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I'd like to turn that over on its head.
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da želim da opovrgnem ovu tvrdnju.
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I don't think they're a simple model of anything.
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Ja ne smatram da su one jednostavan model bilo čega.
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And I think that flies are a great model.
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Mislim da su one izvanredan model.
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They're a great model for flies.
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One su izvandredan model za mušice.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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And let's explore this notion of simplicity.
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Hajde da ispitamo ovaj pojam jednostavnosti.
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So I think, unfortunately, a lot of neuroscientists,
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Mislim da su mnogi neurolozi, nažalost,
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we're all somewhat narcissistic.
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pomalo narcisoidni.
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When we think of brain, we of course imagine our own brain.
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Kada razmišljamo o mozgu, mi, naravno, zamišljamo sopstveni mozak.
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But remember that this kind of brain,
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Ali setite se da je ovo samo jedna vrsta mozga
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which is much, much smaller
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koji je mnogo, mnogo manji
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— instead of 100 billion neurons, it has 100,000 neurons —
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- umesto 100 milijardi neurona, on ima 100.000 neurona -
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but this is the most common form of brain on the planet
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ali je ovo najuobičajeniji oblik mozga na planeti
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and has been for 400 million years.
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i bio je najuobičajeniji 400 miliona godina.
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And is it fair to say that it's simple?
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Da li je fer onda reći da je jednostavan?
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Well, it's simple in the sense that it has fewer neurons,
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Pa, jednostavan je u smislu da ima manje neurona,
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but is that a fair metric?
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ali da li je to objektivna mera?
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And I would propose it's not a fair metric.
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Ja bih rekao da nije objektivna.
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So let's sort of think about this. I think we have to compare --
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Hajde da porazmislimo o sledećem. Mislim da treba da uporedimo -
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(Laughter) —
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(Smeh) -
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we have to compare the size of the brain
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da uporedimo veličinu mozga
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with what the brain can do.
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s onim šta mozak može da uradi.
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So I propose we have a Trump number,
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Pretpostavimo da postoji određeni broj za Donalda Trampa
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and the Trump number is the ratio of this man's
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i da on označava srazmeru obrazaca ponašanja
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behavioral repertoire to the number of neurons in his brain.
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ovog čoveka i broja neurona u njegovom mozgu.
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We'll calculate the Trump number for the fruit fly.
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Hajde da izračunamo tu brojku i za vinsku mušicu.
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Now, how many people here think the Trump number
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Koliko vas misli da je ovaj broj
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is higher for the fruit fly?
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veći kod vinske mušice?
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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It's a very smart, smart audience.
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Vi ste veoma pametna publika.
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Yes, the inequality goes in this direction, or I would posit it.
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Da, znak nejednakosti stoji ovako ili bih ja pretpostavio da tako stoji.
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Now I realize that it is a little bit absurd
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Shvatam da je pomalo apsurdno
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to compare the behavioral repertoire of a human to a fly.
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upoređivati obrasce ponašanja čoveka i mušice.
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But let's take another animal just as an example. Here's a mouse.
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Ali hajde da uzmemo jednu drugu životinju za primer. Recimo miša.
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A mouse has about 1,000 times as many neurons as a fly.
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Miš ima 1000 puta više neurona nego vinska mušica.
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I used to study mice. When I studied mice,
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Ja sam ranije proučavao miševe. I kada sam ih proučavao,
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I used to talk really slowly.
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imao sam običaj da pričam zaista sporo.
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And then something happened when I started to work on flies.
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I onda se nešto promenilo kada sam počeo da se bavim mušicama.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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And I think if you compare the natural history of flies and mice,
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Smatram da ako uporedimo prirodnu istoriju mušica i miševa,
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it's really comparable. They have to forage for food.
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postoji sličnost. Oboje moraju da tragaju za hranom.
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They have to engage in courtship.
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Imaju rituale parenja.
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They have sex. They hide from predators.
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Pare se. Skrivaju se od grabljivica.
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They do a lot of the similar things.
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Rade puno sličnih stvari.
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But I would argue that flies do more.
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Ali bih ja rekao da mušice rade više.
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So for example, I'm going to show you a sequence,
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Pokazaću vam jednu sekvencu za primer,
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and I have to say, some of my funding comes from the military,
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i moram vam napomenuti da deo finansija dobijam od vojske,
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so I'm showing this classified sequence
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stoga vam pokazujem ovu poverljivu sekvencu
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and you cannot discuss it outside of this room. Okay?
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o kojoj ne smete raspravljati van ove prostorije. U redu?
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So I want you to look at the payload
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Želim da pogledate kolika je nosivost
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at the tail of the fruit fly.
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repa vinske mušice.
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Watch it very closely,
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Obratite pažnju
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and you'll see why my six-year-old son
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i videćete zašto moj šestogodišnji sin
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now wants to be a neuroscientist.
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odjednom želi da postane neurolog.
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Wait for it.
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Čekajte.
08:18
Pshhew.
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Fijuu.
08:20
So at least you'll admit that if fruit flies are not as clever as mice,
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Priznaćete da iako vinske mušice nisu pametnije od miševa,
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they're at least as clever as pigeons. (Laughter)
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barem su onoliko pametne koliko i golubovi. (Smeh)
08:28
Now, I want to get across that it's not just a matter of numbers
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Hteo sam da vam pokažem da nisu u pitanju samo brojevi,
08:32
but also the challenge for a fly to compute
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nego i izazov za mušicu koja treba da proračuna
08:34
everything its brain has to compute with such tiny neurons.
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sve to sa mozgom koji ima tako mali broj neurona.
08:37
So this is a beautiful image of a visual interneuron from a mouse
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Ovo je jedna lepa slika vizuelnog međuneurona miša
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that came from Jeff Lichtman's lab,
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koja je potekla iz laboratorije Džefa Lihtmana
08:43
and you can see the wonderful images of brains
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i na kojoj možete da vidite predivne slike mozga
08:46
that he showed in his talk.
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koje je on pokazivao tokom svog govora.
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But up in the corner, in the right corner, you'll see,
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Ali gore u uglu, s desne strane, videćete
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at the same scale, a visual interneuron from a fly.
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u jednakoj razmeri, međuneuron mušice.
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And I'll expand this up.
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Uvećaću vam ovo.
08:58
And it's a beautifully complex neuron.
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To je jedan lep, složen neuron.
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It's just very, very tiny, and there's lots of biophysical challenges
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Samo što je veoma, veoma sitan pa postoji mnogo biofizičkih izazova
09:03
with trying to compute information with tiny, tiny neurons.
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kada treba sa tako malim, malim neuronima proračunavati informacije.
09:07
How small can neurons get? Well, look at this interesting insect.
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Koliko sitni neuroni mogu da budu? Pogledajte ovog interesantnog insekta.
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It looks sort of like a fly. It has wings, it has eyes,
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Pomalo liči na mušicu. Ima krila, oči,
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it has antennae, its legs, complicated life history,
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antene, noge, komplikovanu životnu istoriju,
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it's a parasite, it has to fly around and find caterpillars
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parazit je, mora da leti naokolo i pronalazi gusenice
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to parasatize,
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na kojima se hrani,
09:20
but not only is its brain the size of a salt grain,
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i ne samo da je njegov mozak veličine mrvice soli,
09:24
which is comparable for a fruit fly,
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što je uporedivo sa vinskom mušicom,
09:26
it is the size of a salt grain.
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nego je i sam veličine mrvice soli.
09:29
So here's some other organisms at the similar scale.
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Evo još nekih organizama iste veličine.
09:32
This animal is the size of a paramecium and an amoeba,
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Ova životinja je veličine paramecijuma i amebe
09:37
and it has a brain of 7,000 neurons that's so small --
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i ima mozak sastavljen od 7000 neurona koji je toliko sitan -
09:40
you know these things called cell bodies you've been hearing about,
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znate one stvari o kojima ste več čuli, a koje se zovu tela ćelije
09:43
where the nucleus of the neuron is?
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i u kojima se nalazi nukleus neurona?
09:45
This animal gets rid of them because they take up too much space.
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Ova životinja ih nema, jer zauzimaju previše mesta.
09:48
So this is a session on frontiers in neuroscience.
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Dakle, ovo je sesija o granicama neurologije.
09:51
I would posit that one frontier in neuroscience is to figure out how the brain of that thing works.
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Jedna od njih je, po mom mišljenju, otkrivanje toga kako mozak ove životinje radi.
09:56
But let's think about this. How can you make a small number of neurons do a lot?
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Ali porazmslimo o ovome. Kako možemo mali broj neurona naterati da rade mnogo toga?
10:02
And I think, from an engineering perspective,
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Sa stanovišta inženjera, smatram
10:04
you think of multiplexing.
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da ćete pomisliti na kompleksne procese.
10:06
You can take a hardware and have that hardware
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Uzmete jedan hardver i naterate ga
10:08
do different things at different times,
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da radi različite stvari u različito vreme
10:10
or have different parts of the hardware doing different things.
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ili njegove delove da rade različite stvari.
10:13
And these are the two concepts I'd like to explore.
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Ovo su dva koncepta koja bih želeo da istražim.
10:16
And they're not concepts that I've come up with,
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Ovo nisu koncepti koje sam ja smislio,
10:18
but concepts that have been proposed by others in the past.
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nego koncepti koje su drugi predložili u prošlosti.
10:23
And one idea comes from lessons from chewing crabs.
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Jedna od ideja potiče od žvakanja kraba.
10:26
And I don't mean chewing the crabs.
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I ne mislim na to da ja žvaćem krabe.
10:27
I grew up in Baltimore, and I chew crabs very, very well.
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Odrastao sam u Baltimoru i veoma, veoma dobro znam da žvaćem krabe.
10:31
But I'm talking about the crabs actually doing the chewing.
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Govorim o krabama koje žvaću.
10:34
Crab chewing is actually really fascinating.
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Žvakanje kraba je u stvari veoma fascinantno.
10:36
Crabs have this complicated structure under their carapace
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Krabe imaju jednu komplikovanu strukturu ispod svog oklopa
10:39
called the gastric mill
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koja se zove želudačni mlin
10:41
that grinds their food in a variety of different ways.
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koji melje hranu na različite načine.
10:43
And here's an endoscopic movie of this structure.
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Evo endoskopskog snimka ove strukture.
10:48
The amazing thing about this is that it's controlled
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Neverovatna stvar u vezi sa ovim jeste što je ovo pod kontrolom
10:51
by a really tiny set of neurons, about two dozen neurons
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veoma malog skupa neurona, oko dvadesetak njih,
10:54
that can produce a vast variety of different motor patterns,
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koji proizvode veliki broj različitih motornih obrazaca,
10:59
and the reason it can do this is that this little tiny ganglion
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a razlog zašto je ovo moguće jeste to, što je ovaj mali ganglion u krabi
11:04
in the crab is actually inundated by many, many neuromodulators.
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u stvari ispunjen mnogim, mnogim neuromodulatorima.
11:08
You heard about neuromodulators earlier.
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Čuli ste već o neuromodulatorima.
11:10
There are more neuromodulators
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Postoji više neuromodulatora
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that alter, that innervate this structure than actually neurons in the structure,
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koji menjaju, oživljavaju ovu strukturu, nego što ima neurona u strukturi
11:18
and they're able to generate a complicated set of patterns.
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i oni su sposobni da stvore složene skupove šablona.
11:22
And this is the work by Eve Marder and her many colleagues
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Ovo je rad Iv Marder i njenih kolega
11:25
who've been studying this fascinating system
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koji su proučavali ovaj fascinantan sistem
11:28
that show how a smaller cluster of neurons
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i koji je pokazao kako su mali skupovi neurona
11:30
can do many, many, many things
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sposobni za mnogo, mnogo stvari
11:32
because of neuromodulation that can take place on a moment-by-moment basis.
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zbog neuromodulacija koje se mogu desiti svake sekunde.
11:36
So this is basically multiplexing in time.
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Ovo su u suštini kompleksni procesi u vremenu.
11:39
Imagine a network of neurons with one neuromodulator.
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Zamislite mrežu neurona s jednim neuromodulatorom.
11:42
You select one set of cells to perform one sort of behavior,
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Odaberete jedan skup ćelija zaduženih za jednu vrstu ponašanja,
11:45
another neuromodulator, another set of cells,
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jedan drugi modulator, jedan drugi skup ćelija,
11:48
a different pattern, and you can imagine
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različiti šablon i kao što možete da pretpostavite,
11:49
you could extrapolate to a very, very complicated system.
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ovako možete stvoriti jedan veoma, veoma složen sistem.
11:53
Is there any evidence that flies do this?
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Da li postoji neki dokaz da su mušice sposobne da urade ovo?
11:55
Well, for many years in my laboratory and other laboratories around the world,
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Dugi niz godina smo u mojoj i drugim laboratorijama širom sveta
11:59
we've been studying fly behaviors in little flight simulators.
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proučavali ponašanja mušica u malim simulatorima leta.
12:01
You can tether a fly to a little stick.
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Mušicu je moguće privezati na jedan štapić.
12:03
You can measure the aerodynamic forces it's creating.
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I moguće je meriti aerodinamičke sile koje ona stvara.
12:06
You can let the fly play a little video game
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Možete joj dozvoliti da igra video igrice
12:08
by letting it fly around in a visual display.
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dopuštajući joj da leti naokolo na jednom vizuelnom displeju.
12:12
So let me show you a little tiny sequence of this.
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Dozvolite mi da vam pokažem jedan deo snimka.
12:14
Here's a fly
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Evo mušice
12:16
and a large infrared view of the fly in the flight simulator,
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i uvećani, infracrveni snimak leta mušice u simulatoru
12:19
and this is a game the flies love to play.
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i ovo je igra koju mušica voli da igra.
12:21
You allow them to steer towards the little stripe,
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Dozvolili smo im da prate jednu malu prugu
12:23
and they'll just steer towards that stripe forever.
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i one se kreću ka njoj zauvek.
12:26
It's part of their visual guidance system.
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To je deo njihovog sistema za vizuelno upravljanje.
12:30
But very, very recently, it's been possible
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Ali od nedavno, moguće je
12:32
to modify these sorts of behavioral arenas for physiologies.
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modifikovati ovakve prostore za ispitivanje fiziologije ponašanja.
12:37
So this is the preparation that one of my former post-docs,
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Ovo je projekat jednog od mojih bivših doktoranata,
12:40
Gaby Maimon, who's now at Rockefeller, developed,
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Gebija Mejmona, koji sada radi u Rokfeleru,
12:42
and it's basically a flight simulator
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i to je u suštini simulator leta,
12:44
but under conditions where you actually can stick an electrode
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ali on omogućava postavljanje jedne elektrode
12:47
in the brain of the fly and record
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u mozak mušice i snimanje
12:49
from a genetically identified neuron in the fly's brain.
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iz perspektive neurona u mušicinom mozgu.
12:53
And this is what one of these experiments looks like.
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Ovako izgleda jedan od ovih eksperimenata.
12:55
It was a sequence taken from another post-doc in the lab,
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Ovo je snimak jedne druge bivše doktorantkinje u laboratoriji,
12:58
Bettina Schnell.
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Betine Šnel.
12:59
The green trace at the bottom is the membrane potential
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Zelena linija na dnu je membranski potencijal
13:03
of a neuron in the fly's brain,
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neurona u mozgu mušice
13:05
and you'll see the fly start to fly, and the fly is actually
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i videćete, kada mušica krene da leti
13:08
controlling the rotation of that visual pattern itself
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i kontroliše promenu vizuelnog šablona
13:11
by its own wing motion,
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pomeranjem sopstvenih krila,
13:12
and you can see this visual interneuron
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možete da vidite reakciju ovog vizuelnog međuneurona
13:14
respond to the pattern of wing motion as the fly flies.
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na šablon pomeranja krila dok mušica leti.
13:18
So for the first time we've actually been able to record
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Ovo je bio prvi put kada smo u stvari uspeli da snimamo
13:21
from neurons in the fly's brain while the fly
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iz unutrašnjosti u mušicinom mozgu dok je mušica
13:24
is performing sophisticated behaviors such as flight.
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izvršavala sofisticirane kretnje kao što je let.
13:28
And one of the lessons we've been learning
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I jedna od lekcija koju smo naučili
13:30
is that the physiology of cells that we've been studying
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jeste da je fiziologija ćelija koje smo proučavali
13:32
for many years in quiescent flies
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dugi niz godina kod mušica u stanju mirovanja,
13:35
is not the same as the physiology of those cells
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nije ista kao fiziologija tih ćelija
13:37
when the flies actually engage in active behaviors
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kada mušica u stvari vrši određenu akciju
13:40
like flying and walking and so forth.
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kao što je letenje, šetnja i slično.
13:43
And why is the physiology different?
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Zašto se fiziologija razlikuje?
13:46
Well it turns out it's these neuromodulators,
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Ispostavilo se da su u pitanju neuromodulatori,
13:48
just like the neuromodulators in that little tiny ganglion in the crabs.
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baš kao i neuromodulatori u onom malom ganglionu kod kraba.
13:52
So here's a picture of the octopamine system.
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Evo slike oktopaminskog sistema.
13:54
Octopamine is a neuromodulator
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Oktopamin je neuromodulator
13:56
that seems to play an important role in flight and other behaviors.
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koji igra važnu ulogu pri letu i drugim aktivnostima.
14:00
But this is just one of many neuromodulators
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Ali ovo je samo jedan od mnogih neuromodulatora
14:03
that's in the fly's brain.
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koji se nalaze u mozgu mušice.
14:04
So I really think that, as we learn more,
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Zaista verujem, da će se, kako budemo napredovali sa saznanjima,
14:06
it's going to turn out that the whole fly brain
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ispostaviti da je ceo mozak mušice
14:09
is just like a large version of this stomatogastric ganglion,
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u stvari jedna veća verzija ovog stomačno-želudačnog gangliona
14:12
and that's one of the reasons why it can do so much with so few neurons.
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i da je to uzrok tome što sa samo nekoliko neurona možemo da uradimo toliko toga.
14:16
Now, another idea, another way of multiplexing
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Jedna druga ideja, jedan drugi način vršenja kompleksnih procesa,
14:19
is multiplexing in space,
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jeste njihova prostorna raspodela,
14:21
having different parts of a neuron
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zaduživanje različitih vrsta neurona
14:23
do different things at the same time.
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za različite stvari, istovremeno.
14:25
So here's two sort of canonical neurons
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Evo dve vrste kanonskih neurona
14:27
from a vertebrate and an invertebrate,
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kod kičmenjaka i beskičmenjaka.
14:29
a human pyramidal neuron from Ramon y Cajal,
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Ljudski piramidalni neuron Ramona i Kahala,
14:32
and another cell to the right, a non-spiking interneuron,
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i još jedna ćelija sa desne strane međuneurona bez akcionog potencijala.
14:36
and this is the work of Alan Watson and Malcolm Burrows many years ago,
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uzetog iz jednog starijeg rada Alena Votsona i Malkolma Burouza.
14:40
and Malcolm Burrows came up with a pretty interesting idea
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Malkolm Burouz imao je jednu veoma interesantnu ideju
14:43
based on the fact that this neuron from a locust
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zasnovanu na činjenici da ovaj neuron koji potiče iz skakavca
14:46
does not fire action potentials.
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ne ispaljuje akcioni potencijal.
14:48
It's a non-spiking cell.
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To je ćelija bez akcionog potencijala.
14:50
So a typical cell, like the neurons in our brain,
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Dakle, obična ćelija, kao što su neuroni u našem mozgu
14:53
has a region called the dendrites that receives input,
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ima oblast nazvanu dendriti, koja prima nadražaje
14:55
and that input sums together
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i ti nadražaji se sabiraju
14:58
and will produce action potentials
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i stvaraju akcioni potencijal
15:00
that run down the axon and then activate
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koji prolazi kroz akson i aktivira
15:03
all the output regions of the neuron.
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izlazne regije neurona.
15:05
But non-spiking neurons are actually quite complicated
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Ali neuroni bez akcionog potencijala su u stvari poprilično složeni,
15:08
because they can have input synapses and output synapses
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jer su u njima ulazni i izlazni nadražaji povezani
15:11
all interdigitated, and there's no single action potential
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i ne postoji jedan jedinstveni akcioni potencijal
15:15
that drives all the outputs at the same time.
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koji pokreće sve izlazne informacije istovremeno.
15:18
So there's a possibility that you have computational compartments
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Zato je moguće da postoje različiti odeljci za obradu informacija,
15:22
that allow the different parts of the neuron
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koji dopuštaju različitim delovima neurona
15:26
to do different things at the same time.
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da rade različite stvari istovremeno.
15:28
So these basic concepts of multitasking in time
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Dakle, ovi osnovni principi vršenja kompleksnih radnji
15:33
and multitasking in space,
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u vremenu i prostoru se,
15:35
I think these are things that are true in our brains as well,
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mislim, odnose i na naš mozak,
15:38
but I think the insects are the true masters of this.
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ali smatram da su insekti pravi gospodari ove veštine.
15:41
So I hope you think of insects a little bit differently next time,
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Nadam se da ćete od sada misliti malo drugačije o insektima
15:44
and as I say up here, please think before you swat.
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i kao što iza mene piše, molim vas, razmislite pre nego što ih spljeskate.
15:47
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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