Rev. Tom Honey: How could God have allowed the tsunami?

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Jeong-Lan Kinser ๊ฒ€ํ† : Soomi Lee
00:25
I am a vicar in the Church of England.
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์ €๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ ๊ตญ๊ตํšŒ์˜ ๋ชฉ์‚ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
I've been a priest in the Church for 20 years.
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20๋…„๋™์•ˆ ๊ทธ ๊ตํšŒ์—์„œ ๋ชฉ์‚ฌ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
00:33
For most of that time, I've been struggling and grappling
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๊ทธ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์„ธ์›”๋™์•ˆ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ์‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ถ„ํˆฌํ•ด์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์€
00:37
with questions about the nature of God. Who is God?
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์˜ ๋ณธ์งˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์กด์žฌ์ธ๊ฐ€?
00:43
And I'm very aware that when you say the word "God,"
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์ €๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ• ๋•Œ
00:48
many people will turn off immediately.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฆ‰์‹œ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•ด ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:51
And most people, both within and outside the organized church,
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์กฐ์ง๋œ ๊ตํšŒ์˜ ๋‚ด๋ถ€์™€ ์™ธ๋ถ€์–‘์ชฝ์—์„œ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€,
00:56
still have a picture of a celestial controller,
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ฒœ์ƒ์˜ ํ†ต์ œ์ž, ๊ทœ์น™์กฐ์„ฑ์ž,
01:02
a rule maker, a policeman in the sky who orders everything,
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ์ฃผ๊ด€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ์•ผ๊ธฐ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š”
01:08
and causes everything to happen.
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ํ•˜๋Š˜์˜ ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ๊ด€์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:10
He will protect his own people,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ฏผ์กฑ์„ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๊ณ 
01:14
and answer the prayers of the faithful.
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๋ฏฟ์Œ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๊ธฐ๋„์— ์‘๋‹ตํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”.
01:18
And in the worship of my church,
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์ €ํฌ ๊ตํšŒ์—์„œ ์˜ˆ๋ฐฐ์—์„œ
01:20
the most frequently used adjective about God is "almighty."
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŒ์ด ์“ฐ์ด๋Š” ํ˜•์šฉ์‚ฌ๋Š” "์ „๋Šฅํ•˜์‹ " ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:26
But I have a problem with that.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:29
I have become more and more uncomfortable
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ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜๋ก, ์ €๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ธ์‹์ด
01:32
with this perception of God over the years.
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์ ์  ๋” ๋ถˆํŽธํ•ด ์กŒ์–ด์š”
01:36
Do we really believe that God is the kind of male boss that we've been presenting
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ๋ฐฐ์™€ ์„ฑ์ฐฌ์‹๋•Œ ์ œ์‹œํ•ด์™”๋“ฏ์ด
01:45
in our worship and in our liturgies over all these years?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ •๋ง๋กœ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ๋‚จ์„ฑ ๋ณด์Šค๊ฐ™์€ ์กด์žฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๋Š”๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
01:49
Of course, there have been thinkers
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๋ฌผ๋ก , ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•๋“ค์„ ์ œ์‹œํ•œ
01:51
who have suggested different ways of looking at God.
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์‚ฌ์ƒ๊ฐ€๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:57
Exploring the feminine, nurturing side of divinity.
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์‹ ์„ฑ์˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ ์ด๊ณ  ๋ณด์‚ดํ”ผ๋Š” ์ธก๋ฉด์„ ํƒ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ ,
02:02
Suggesting that God expresses Himself or Herself through powerlessness,
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ํž˜์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ๋ผ๊ธฐ ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š”
02:09
rather than power.
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๋ฌด๋ ฅํ•จ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ œ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ 
02:13
Acknowledging that God is unknown and unknowable by definition.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์ •์˜์ƒ ๋ฏธ์ง€์˜ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€์ง€ํ•œ ์กด์žฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๋ฉฐ
02:18
Finding deep resonances with other religions and philosophies
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๊ต๋“ค๊ณผ ์ฒ ํ•™๋“ค์— ๊นŠ์ด ๋ฐ˜ํ–ฅํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑธ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๊ณ 
02:25
and ways of looking at life as part of what is a universal and global search for meaning.
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์ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๋ณดํŽธ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๋ผ๊ตฌ์š”.
02:33
These ideas are well known in liberal academic circles,
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‚ฌ์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์ž์œ ์ฃผ์˜์  ํ•™๊ณ„์—์„œ๋Š” ์ž˜ ์•Œ๋ ค์ ธ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:38
but clergy like myself have been reluctant to air them,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๊ฐ™์€ ์„ฑ์ง์ž๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋ ค์™”์ฃ .
02:44
for fear of creating tension and division in our church communities,
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๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ ์กฐ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๊ตํšŒ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์˜ ๋ถ„์—ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‘๋ ค์›€,
02:50
for fear of upsetting the simple faith of more traditional believers.
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๋” ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์‹ ์•™์ธ๋“ค์˜ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•œ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ํ˜ผ๋ž€์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‘๋ ค์›€๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—์š”.
02:57
I have chosen not to rock the boat.
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์ €๋Š” ํ’ํŒŒ๋ฅผ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ•œ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
03:04
Then, on December 26th last year, just two months ago,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋‘๋‹ฌ ์ „, ์ž‘๋…„ 12์›” 26์ผ,
03:08
that underwater earthquake triggered the tsunami.
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์ˆ˜์ค‘์˜ ์ง€์ง„์ด ์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ์œ ๋ฐœ์‹œ์ผฐ์ฃ .
03:13
And two weeks later, Sunday morning, 9th of January,
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2์ฃผ ํ›„, 1์›” 9์ผ ์ผ์š”์ผ ์•„์นจ์—
03:18
I found myself standing in front of my congregation --
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์ €๋Š” ์ €ํฌ ๊ต์ธ๋“ค,
03:21
intelligent, well meaning, mostly thoughtful Christian people --
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์ง€์ ์ด๊ณ , ์„ ๋Ÿ‰ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์‚ฌ๋ ค๊นŠ์€ ๊ธฐ๋…๊ต์ธ๋“ค์˜ ๋ฉด์ „์—์„œ
03:27
and I needed to express, on their behalf, our feelings and our questions.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋Œ€๋ณ€ํ•˜์—ฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋“ค์˜ ๋Š๋‚Œ๋“ค๊ณผ ์˜๋ฌธ์ ๋“ค์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•ด์•ผํ•  ํ•„์š”๋ฅผ ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:35
I had my own personal responses, but I also have a public role,
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์ œ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ œ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๋ฐ˜์‘๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ณต์ธ์œผ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์—ญํ• ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
03:42
and something needed to be said.
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
03:44
And this is what I said.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:50
Shortly after the tsunami I read a newspaper article
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์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์€ ์งํ›„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‹ ๋ฌธ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฝ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
03:53
written by the Archbishop of Canterbury -- fine title --
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ„ํ„ฐ๋ฒ ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋Œ€์ฃผ๊ต๊ฐ€ ์“ด-ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ œ๋ชฉ-
03:56
about the tragedy in Southern Asia.
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๋‚จ๋ถ€ ์•„์‹œ์•„์˜ ๋น„๊ทน์— ๊ด€ํ•œ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:02
The essence of what he said was this:
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•œ ์ฃผ์š”์ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค:
04:05
the people most affected by the devastation and loss of life
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๊ทธ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ํŒŒ๊ดด์™€ ์ƒ๋ช…์˜ ์†์‹ค์— ์˜ํ•ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
04:10
do not want intellectual theories about how God let this happen.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋„๋ก ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง€์ ์ธ ์ด๋ก ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:16
He wrote, "If some religious genius did come up with an explanation
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ, "๋งŒ์•ฝ ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๊ต์  ์ฒœ์žฌ๊ฐ€
04:22
of exactly why all these deaths made sense,
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์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์™œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ฃฝ์Œ๋“ค์ด ์ดํ•ด ๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
04:28
would we feel happier, or safer, or more confident in God?"
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋” ํ–‰๋ณตํ•ด ์ง€๊ณ , ๋˜๋Š” ์•ˆ์‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ , ๋˜๋Š” ์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ™•์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
04:35
If the man in the photograph that appeared in the newspapers,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ฃฝ์€ ์•„์ด์˜ ์†์„ ์žก๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”, ์‹ ๋ฌธ์— ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์ง„ ์†์˜ ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€
04:38
holding the hand of his dead child was standing in front of us now,
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์•ž์— ์„œ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
04:44
there are no words that we could say to him.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ง์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:48
A verbal response would not be appropriate.
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๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง๋„ ์ ์ ˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:51
The only appropriate response would be a compassionate silence
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๋‹จ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๋ฐ˜์‘์€ ์˜จ์ •์ ์ธ ์นจ๋ฌต์ผ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
04:58
and some kind of practical help.
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์‹ค์ œ์ ์ธ ๋„์›€๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:00
It isn't a time for explanation, or preaching, or theology;
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์„ค๋ช…, ์„ค๊ต, ๋˜๋Š” ์‹ ํ•™์„ ๋“ค๋จน์„ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
05:06
it's a time for tears.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ˆˆ๋ฌผ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•  ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:10
This is true. And yet here we are, my church in Oxford,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ฅ์Šคํฌ๋“œ์˜ ๊ตํšŒ์— ์žˆ๊ณ ,
05:16
semi-detached from events that happened a long way away,
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๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ์„œ ๋ฒŒ์–ด์ง„ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์—์„œ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
05:21
but with our faith bruised.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์‹ ์•™์€ ๋ฉ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:24
And we want an explanation from God.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์˜ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:27
We demand an explanation from God.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜๊ป˜ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:33
Some have concluded that we can only believe in a God who shares our pain.
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์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ณ ํ†ต์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜ ๋งŒ์„ ๋ฏฟ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ง“์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:37
In some way, God must feel the anguish, and grief,
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฉด์—์„œ, ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š”
05:43
and physical pain that we feel.
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๊ณ ๋‡Œ, ์Šฌํ”” ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ณ ํ†ต์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ‹€๋ฆผ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:45
In some way the eternal God must be able to enter into the souls of human beings
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์˜์›ํ•œ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ์˜ํ˜ผ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ์ด๋ฉด์˜ ๊ณ ๋‡Œ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์†์œผ๋กœ
05:54
and experience the torment within.
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๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:58
And if this is true, it must also be that God knows the joy and exaltation
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ด๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์ธ๊ฐ„ ์ •์‹ ์˜ ๊ธฐ์จ๊ณผ ํ–‰๋ณต์„ ์•ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋˜ํ•œ
06:04
of the human spirit, as well.
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๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ผ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:10
We want a God who can weep with those who weep,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋น„ํƒ„ํ•ด ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋น„ํƒ„ํ•ด ํ•˜๊ณ ,
06:13
and rejoice with those who rejoice.
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์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›Œํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›Œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์„ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:17
This seems to me both a deeply moving and a convincing re-statement
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋…๊ต์ธ๋“ค์˜
06:23
of Christian belief about God.
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๊ฐ๋™์ ์ด๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ์„ค๋“๋ ฅ ์žˆ๋Š” ์–ธ๊ธ‰ ๊ฐ™์•„๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:25
For hundreds of years, the prevailing orthodoxy, the accepted truth,
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์ˆ˜ ๋ฐฑ๋…„๋™์•ˆ, ์ง€๋ฐฐ์  ํ†ต์„ค, ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์ง„ ์ง„์‹ค์€
06:31
was that God the Father, the Creator, is unchanging
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€, ์ฐฝ์กฐ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์กด์žฌ์ด๊ณ ,
06:35
and therefore by definition cannot feel pain or sadness.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์ •์˜์ƒ ๊ณ ํ†ต์ด๋‚˜ ๋น„์• ๋ฅผ ๋Š๋‚„์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
06:41
Now the unchanging God feels a bit cold and indifferent to me.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ณ€ํ•จ์—†๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ฐจ๊ฐ‘๊ณ  ๋ฌด์‹ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Š๊ปด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:45
And the devastating events of the 20th century
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20์„ธ๊ธฐ์˜ ํ™ฉํํ•œ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๋“ค ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
06:51
have forced people to question the cold, unfeeling God.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ด ์ฐจ๊ฐ‘๊ณ  ๋ƒ‰์ •ํ•œ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์—๊ฒŒ ์˜๋ฌธ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:54
The slaughter of millions in the trenches and in the death camps
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์ฐธํ˜ธ๊ณผ ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ์—์„œ์˜ ์ˆ˜ ๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋Ÿ‰ํ•™์‚ด์ด
07:00
have caused people to ask, "Where is God in all this?
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ, ์ด ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์–ด๋””์— ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฑด๊ฐ€?
07:04
Who is God in all this?"
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์™€์ค‘์— ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ๊ฐ€? ํ•˜๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:07
And the answer was, "God is in this with us,
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๊ทธ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€, "ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ ์†์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ณ„์‹ ๋‹ค,
07:13
or God doesn't deserve our allegiance anymore."
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๋˜๋Š”, ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ๋”์ด์ƒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ถฉ์„ฑ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ž๊ฒฉ์ด ์—†๋‹ค," ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:18
If God is a bystander, observing but not involved,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ด€์—ฌํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๊ด€์ž๋ผ๋ฉด,
07:23
then God may well exist, but we don't want to know about Him.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์กด์žฌํ• ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:27
Many Jews and Christians now feel like this, I know.
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๋งŽ์€ ์œ ํƒœ์ธ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ธฐ๋…๊ต์ธ๋“ค์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๋‚€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ €๋Š” ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:32
And I am among them.
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์ €๋„ ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ํ•œ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์ฃ .
07:35
So we have a suffering God --
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ๊ณ ํ†ต๋ฐ›๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:37
a God who is intimately connected with this world and with every living soul.
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์ด ์„ธ๊ณ„์™€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ด์•„์žˆ๋Š” ์˜ํ˜ผ์— ์นœ๋ฐ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋œ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜.
07:43
I very much relate to this idea of God.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:47
But it isn't enough. I need to ask some more questions,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ๋กœ๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”. ์ œ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
07:52
and I hope they are questions that you will want to ask, as well,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค ๋˜ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š”
07:55
some of you.
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๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:58
Over the last few weeks I have been struck by the number of times
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์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ์— ์ €๋Š” ์˜ˆ๋ฐฐ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง์ด ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋ถ€์ ์ ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜์‹ฌ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๋‹ค๊ณ 
08:02
that words in our worship have felt a bit inappropriate, a bit dodgy.
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๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ์ด๋‚˜ ๋Š๊ผˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋‹นํ™ฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:06
We have a pram service on Tuesday mornings for mums and their pre-school children.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ™”์š”์ผ ์•„์นจ ์—„๋งˆ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•™๋ น๋ฏธ๋‹ฌ ์•„๋™์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์œ ๋ชจ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:12
And last week we sang with the children one of their favorite songs,
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์ง€๋‚œ์ฃผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ œ์ผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋…ธ๋ž˜,
08:16
"The Wise Man Built His House Upon the Rock."
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"๊ทธ ํ˜„์ž๋Š” ๋ฐ”์œ„์— ๊ทธ์˜ ์ง‘์„ ์ง€์—ˆ๋‹ค." ๋ฅผ ๋ถˆ๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:19
Perhaps some of you know it. Some of the words go like this:
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์•„๋งˆ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ค‘ ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„์€ ๊ทธ ๋…ธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์•„์‹ค๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ๋ช‡ ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์€ ์ด๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:22
"The foolish man built his house upon the sand /
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"๊ทธ ์–ด๋ฆฌ์„์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋ชจ๋ž˜ ์œ„์— ๊ทธ์˜ ์ง‘์„ ์ง€์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค/
08:25
And the floods came up / And the house on the sand went crash."
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ํŒŒ๋„๊ฐ€ ์ณ์„œ/ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋ž˜์œ„์˜ ์ง‘์€ ๋ถ€์„œ์กŒ์–ด์š”."
08:31
Then in the same week, at a funeral,
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๊ทธ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ฃผ์—, ์žฅ๋ก€์‹์—์„œ
08:36
we sang the familiar hymn "We Plow the Fields and Scatter,"
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” "์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋“คํŒ์„ ๊ฒฝ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ  (์”จ๋ฅผ) ๋ฟŒ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค,"
08:41
a very English hymn.
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๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ์˜๊ตญ ์ฐฌ์†ก๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ถˆ๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:43
In the second verse comes the line, "The wind and waves obey Him."
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๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์€, "๋ฐ”๋žŒ๊ณผ ํŒŒ๋„๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณต์ข…ํ•˜๋„ค." ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:48
Do they? I don't feel we can sing that song again in church,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ณต์ข…ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ๋…ธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ๊ตํšŒ์—์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๊ฐ€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:55
after what's happened.
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์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š”์š”.
08:58
So the first big question is about control.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ํ†ต์ œ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:01
Does God have a plan for each of us? Is God in control?
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ณ„ํš์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”? ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ†ต์ œํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
09:06
Does God order each moment? Does the wind and the waves obey Him?
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ๋งค ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ์ง€์‹œํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๋ฐ”๋žŒ๊ณผ ํŒŒ๋„๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณต์ข…ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
09:13
From time to time,
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๊ฐ€๋”์”ฉ์€,
09:15
one hears Christians telling the story of how God organized things for them,
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๊ธฐ๋…๊ต์ธ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฒด๊ณ„ํ™” ์‹œ์ผฐ๋Š”์ง€์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑธ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:20
so that everything worked out all right --
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๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒŒ ์ž˜ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ๋‹ค๊ตฌ์š”.
09:22
some difficulty overcome, some illness cured, some trouble averted,
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์–ด๋ ค์›€์ด ๊ทน๋ณต๋˜๊ณ , ๋ณ‘์ด ์น˜๋ฃŒ๋˜๊ณ , ๊ณ ์ƒ์„ ํ”ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ ,
09:27
a parking space found at a crucial time.
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์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ์ฃผ์ฐจ์žฅ์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ .
09:31
I can remember someone saying this to me,
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์ €๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฒŒ
09:35
with her eyes shining with enthusiasm at this wonderful confirmation of her faith
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๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์‹ ์•™๊ณผ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์˜ ๋ฏธ๋•์˜ ๊ต‰์žฅํ•œ ํ™•์ธ์— ์—ด์ •์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๋ˆˆ์ด ๋น›๋‚˜๋ฉฐ
09:41
and the goodness of God.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑธ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
09:46
But if God can or will do these things --
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ด๋Ÿฐ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„--์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๋“ค์˜ ๋ฒ”๋žŒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๋„๋ก ๊ฐœ์ž…ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„
09:49
intervene to change the flow of events --
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด
09:52
then surely he could have stopped the tsunami.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ๊ทธ ์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ๋ง‰์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:55
Do we have a local God who can do little things like parking spaces,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ฐจ์žฅ๊ฐ™์€ ์ž‘์€ ์ผ๋“ค์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
10:00
but not big things like 500 mile-per-hour waves?
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์‹œ์† 500 ๋งˆ์ผ์˜ ํ’๋ž‘์„ ๋ง‰๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ผ์€ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ง€์—ฝ์ ์ธ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์„ ๋ชจ์‹œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
10:04
That's just not acceptable to intelligent Christians,
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์ง€์ ์ธ ๊ธฐ๋…๊ต์ธ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ณ 
10:09
and we must acknowledge it.
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๋˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์ธ์ •ํ•ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:11
Either God is responsible for the tsunami,
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฑ…์ž„์ด ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
10:14
or God is not in control.
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๋˜๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ํ†ต์ œ๋ ฅ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๊ตฌ์š”.
10:18
After the tragedy, survival stories began to emerge.
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๊ทธ ๋น„๊ทน ์ดํ›„์—, ์ƒ์กดํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋“ค์ด ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
10:21
You probably heard some of them:
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค๋„ ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋ฅผ ๋“ค์œผ์…จ์„๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:23
the man who surfed the wave,
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์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ํŒŒ๋„ํƒ€๊ธฐ ํ•œ ๋‚จ์ž,
10:25
the teenage girl who recognized the danger
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๋งˆ์นจ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
10:28
because she had just been learning about tsunamis at school.
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์œ„ํ—˜์„ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฐ ๊ทธ ์‹ญ๋Œ€์†Œ๋…€.
10:31
Then there was the congregation who had left their usual church building on the shore
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ์–ธ๋•์—์„œ ์˜ˆ๋ฐฐ๋ฅผ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
10:36
to hold a service in the hills.
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ํ‰์ƒ์‹œ์— ๋ฐ”๋‹ท๊ฐ€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ตํšŒ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ๋– ๋‚ฌ๋˜ ๊ต์ธ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:38
The preacher delivered an extra long sermon,
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๊ทธ ์„ค๊ต์ž๋Š” ์—ฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๊ธด ์„ค๊ต๋ฅผ ํ•ด์„œ,
10:42
so that they were still out of harm's way when the wave struck.
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๊ทธ ํŒŒ๋„๊ฐ€ ์ณค์„๋•Œ๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ”ผํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹ฟ์ง€์•Š๋Š” ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ตฌ์š”.
10:46
Afterwards someone said that God must have been looking after them.
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๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ตฌ์š”.
10:54
So the next question is about partiality.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ํŽธ์• ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:57
Can we earn God's favor by worshipping Him or believing in Him?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ๋ฐฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ๋Š”๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์˜ ์„ ํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
11:02
Does God demand loyalty, like any medieval tyrant?
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ๋งˆ์น˜ ์ค‘์„ธ์˜ ํญ๊ตฐ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ถฉ์„ฑ์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
11:06
A God who looks after His own, so that Christians are OK,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชจ๋‘” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฃฝ์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
11:13
while everyone else perishes?
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๊ธฐ๋…๊ต๋“ค๋งŒ์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋„๋ก ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜?
11:15
A cosmic us and them, and a God who is guilty of the worst kind of favoritism?
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์šฐ์ฃผ์ ์ธ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋“ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ตœ์•…์˜ ์„ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜๋ผ๋Š” ์ฃ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜?
11:25
That would be appalling,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์„ฌ๋œฉํ•œ๊ฒƒ ์ผ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:27
and that would be the point at which I would hand in my membership.
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๋˜ํ•œ ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ตํšŒ์˜ ํšŒ์›์ž๊ฒฉ์„ ์‚ฌ์งํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์ผ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:32
Such a God would be morally inferior to the highest ideals of humanity.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ๋„๋•์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ธ๊ฐ„์„ฑ์˜ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์ด์ƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์—ด๋“ฑํ• ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:40
So who is God, if not the great puppet-master or the tribal protector?
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๊ผญ๋‘๊ฐ์‹œ ์กฐ์ข…์˜ ๋‹ฌ์ธ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ถ€์กฑ์˜ ๋ณดํ˜ธ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋ฉด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์กด์žฌ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
11:47
Perhaps God allows or permits terrible things to happen,
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์˜์›…์ฃผ์˜์™€ ์˜จ์ •์ด ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก
11:51
so that heroism and compassion can be shown.
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๋”์ฐํ•œ ์ผ์ด ๋ฒŒ์–ด์ง€๊ฒŒ ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•˜๋Š” ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ฃ .
11:55
Perhaps God is testing us: testing our charity, or our faith.
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์‹œํ—˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ผ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋„ˆ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์›€์ด๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์‹ ์•™์„์š”.
12:00
Perhaps there is a great, cosmic plan that allows for horrible suffering
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๋ฌด์„œ์šด ๊ณ ํ†ต์„ ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•˜๋Š” ๊ต‰์žฅํ•œ ์šฐ์ฃผ์ ์ธ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:04
so that everything will work out OK in the end.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„ ์ง€๋„๋ก ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:07
Perhaps, but these ideas are all just variations on God controlling everything,
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์•„๋งˆ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ด€์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ˜•๋œ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋“ค ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:16
the supreme commander toying with expendable units in a great campaign.
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ํฐ ๊ตฐ์‚ฌ์ž‘์ „์—์„œ ์†Œ๋ชจ์šฉ ๋ถ€๋Œ€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žฅ๋‚œํ•˜๋Š” ์ตœ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋ น๊ด€.
12:23
We are still left with a God who can do the tsunami and allow Auschwitz.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ์™€ ์•„์šฐ์Šˆ๋น„์ธ ๋ฅผ ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:31
In his great novel, "The Brothers Karamazov," Dostoevsky gives these words to Ivan,
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๊ทธ์˜ ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ์†Œ์„ค, "์นด๋ผ๋งˆ์กฐํ”„๊ฐ€์˜ ํ˜•์ œ๋“ค," ์—์„œ ๋„์Šคํ† ์˜ˆํ”„์Šคํ‚ค๋Š” ์ด๋ฐ˜์—๊ฒŒ
12:38
addressed to his naive and devout younger brother, Alyosha:
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๊ทธ์˜ ์ˆœ์ง„ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋…์‹คํ•œ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ๋™์ƒ, ์•Œ๋ฃŒ์ƒค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:44
"If the sufferings of children go to make up the sum of sufferings
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"๋งŒ์•ฝ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๋“ค์˜ ๊ณ ํ†ต์ด
12:47
which is necessary for the purchase of truth,
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์ง„์‹ค์„ ๊ตฌ๋งคํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณ ํ†ต์˜ ํ•ฉ๊ณ„์„ ์ƒ์‡„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
12:50
then I say beforehand that the entire truth is not worth such a price.
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๊ทธ์— ์•ž์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ง„์‹ค์€ ๊ทธ ๋งŒํผ์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ฒ ์–ด.
12:58
We cannot afford to pay so much for admission.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž…์žฅํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์ด ์น˜๋ฃฐ ์—ฌ์œ ๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด.
13:02
It is not God that I do not accept.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๊ฑด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ.
13:05
I merely, most respectfully, return Him the ticket."
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์กด๊ฒฝ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ํƒœ๋„๋กœ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜๊ป˜ ๊ทธ ํ‹ฐ์ผ“์„ ๋Œ๋ ค์ฃผ๋Š”๊ฑฐ์•ผ."
13:13
Or perhaps God set the whole universe going at the beginning
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๋˜๋Š” ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ํƒœ์ดˆ์— ์šฐ์ฃผ์˜ ์ „์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์›€์ง์ด๋„๋ก ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ
13:17
and then relinquished control forever,
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ํ†ต์ œํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑธ ํฌ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:20
so that natural processes could occur, and evolution run its course.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ž์—ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ณผ์ •๋“ค์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ง„ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋’ค๋”ฐ๋ž์ฃ .
13:25
This seems more acceptable,
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์ด๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ๋งŒ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:27
but it still leaves God with the ultimate moral responsibility.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ธ ๋„๋•์  ์ฑ…์ž„์„ ์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:35
Is God a cold, unfeeling spectator?
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์ฐจ๊ฐ‘๊ณ  ๋ฌด์‹ฌํ•œ ๊ด€๋žŒ์ž์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
13:39
Or a powerless lover, watching with infinite compassion
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๋˜๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ํ†ต์ œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ณ  ๋ณ€ํ™”์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„
13:44
things God is unable to control or change?
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๊ทธ์ € ๋ฌดํ•œํ•œ ์˜จ์ •๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ํž˜์—†๋Š” ์—ฐ์ธ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
13:48
Is God intimately involved in our suffering,
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ณ ํ†ต์— ์นœ๋ฐ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐœ์ž…ํ•˜์—ฌ,
13:52
so that He feels it in His own being?
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๊ทธ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์กด์žฌ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ๊ทธ ๊ณ ํ†ต์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋‚˜์š”?
13:58
If we believe something like this, we must let go of the puppet-master completely,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ ๋ฏฟ๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ผญ๋‘๊ฐ์‹œ ์กฐ์ •์ž๋ฅผ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ ,
14:04
take our leave of the almighty controller, abandon traditional models.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ „๋Šฅํ•œ ํ†ต์ œ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋ณ„์„ ๊ณ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๋ชจ๋ธ์„ ๋ฒ„๋ ค์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:09
We must think again about God.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:13
Maybe God doesn't do things at all.
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ „ํ˜€ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:18
Maybe God isn't an agent like all of us are agents.
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ–‰์œ„์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:23
Early religious thought conceived God as a sort of superhuman person,
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์ดˆ๊ธฐ ์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ์ƒ์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์„
14:28
doing things all over the place.
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์‚ฌ๋ฐฉ์—์„œ ์ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ดˆ์ธ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ,
14:30
Beating up the Egyptians, drowning them in the Red Sea, wasting cities, getting angry.
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์ด์ง‘ํŠธ์ธ๋“ค์„ ๋‘๋“ค๊ฒจ ํŒจ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ํ™ํ•ด์— ์ต์‚ฌ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ , ๋„์‹œ๋“ค์„ ํŒŒ๊ดด ํ•˜๊ณ , ํ™”๋ฅผ๋‚ด๋Š” ์กด์žฌ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:37
The people knew their God by His mighty acts.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์„ ๊ทธ์˜ ์ „๋Šฅํ•œ ํ–‰์œ„๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ดํ•ดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:41
But what if God doesn't act? What if God doesn't do things at all?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ํ–‰๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด? ๋งŒ์•ฝ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด?
14:48
What if God is in things?
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ๋“ค ์•ˆ์— ์กด์žฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด?
14:52
The loving soul of the universe.
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์šฐ์ฃผ์˜ ๋‹ค์ •ํ•œ ์˜ํ˜ผ,
14:55
An in-dwelling compassionate presence, underpinning and sustaining all things.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ๋“ค์„ ๋– ๋ฐ›์น˜๋ฉฐ ์ง€์†์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋‚ด์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ž์ƒํ•œ ์กด์žฌ.
15:03
What if God is in things?
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ๋“ค๋‚ด์— ์กด์žฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด?
15:07
In the infinitely complex network of relationships and connections that make up life.
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์‚ถ์„ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๊ด€๊ณ„์™€ ์—ฐ๊ด€์„ฑ์˜ ๋ฌดํ•œํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ง ์†์—.
15:13
In the natural cycle of life and death,
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์‚ถ๊ณผ ์ฃฝ์Œ์˜ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฐ ์ˆœํ™˜,
15:17
the creation and destruction that must happen continuously.
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๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์šฐ์ฃผ์˜ ์ƒ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์†Œ๋ฉธ ๋‚ด์—.
15:23
In the process of evolution.
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์ง„ํ™”์˜ ๊ณผ์ •๋‚ด์—.
15:25
In the incredible intricacy and magnificence of the natural world.
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์ž์—ฐ๊ณ„์˜ ๋ฏฟ๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ณต์žก์„ฑ๊ณผ ์žฅ์—„ํ•จ ๋‚ด์—.
15:31
In the collective unconscious, the soul of the human race.
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์ง‘ํ•ฉ์  ๋ฌด์˜์‹, ์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ์˜ํ˜ผ ์†์—.
15:35
In you, in me, mind and body and spirit.
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๋‹น์‹  ์•ˆ์—, ๋‚ด ์•ˆ์—. ๋งˆ์Œ๊ณผ ์‹ ์ฒด์™€ ์ •์‹  ์•ˆ์—.
15:42
In the tsunami, in the victims. In the depth of things.
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์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ ์•ˆ์—, ํฌ์ƒ์ž๋“ค ์†์—, ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ๋“ค์˜ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ.
15:47
In presence and in absence. In simplicity and complexity.
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์กด์žฌ์™€ ๋ถ€์žฌ ์†์—. ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•จ๊ณผ ๋ณต์žกํ•จ ์†์—.
15:52
In change and development and growth.
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๋ณ€ํ™”์™€ ๋ฐœ์ „๊ณผ ์„ฑ์žฅ ์†์—.
15:57
How does this in-ness, this innerness, this interiority of God work?
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์˜ ์ด ๋‚ด๋ฉด์„ฑ, ์ด ๋‚ด๋ฉด์ ์ž„, ์ด ๋‚ด์žฌ์„ฑ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
16:02
It's hard to conceive, and begs more questions.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ต๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:06
Is God just another name for the universe,
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋…๋ฆฝ์  ์กด์žฌ๊ฐ€ ์ „ํ˜€ ์—†๋Š”
16:09
with no independent existence at all?
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์šฐ์ฃผ์˜ ๋˜๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด๋ฆ„ ์ผ ๋ฟ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
16:11
I don't know.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
16:13
To what extent can we ascribe personality to God?
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์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„๊นŒ์ง€ ์ธ๊ฐ„์„ฑ์„ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜ ํƒ“์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ๋ฆด์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
16:20
I don't know.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:22
In the end, we have to say, "I don't know."
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”, "์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:26
If we knew, God would not be God.
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด, ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์•„๋‹๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:29
To have faith in this God
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์„ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
16:31
would be more like trusting an essential benevolence in the universe,
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์šฐ์ฃผ ์†์˜ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์ธ ์ž๋น„์‹ฌ์„ ์‹ ๋ขฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€,
16:37
and less like believing a system of doctrinal statements.
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๊ต๋ฆฌ์ฒด๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:41
Isn't it ironic that Christians who claim to believe
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๊ธฐ๋…๊ต์ธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌดํ•œํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€์ง€ํ•œ ์กด์žฌ๋ฅผ
16:45
in an infinite, unknowable being
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๋ฏฟ๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ฃผ์ฐฝํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ,
16:47
then tie God down in closed systems and rigid doctrines?
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ํ์‡„์  ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ๊ณผ ๊ฒฝ์ง๋œ ๊ต๋ฆฌ ๋‚ด์— ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์„ ์†๋ฐ•ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ์ˆœ์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์€๊ฐ€์š”?
16:54
How could one practice such a faith?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹ ์•™์„ ์ผ์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‹ค์ฒœ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
16:59
By seeking the God within. By cultivating my own inwardness.
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๋‚ด๋ฉด์— ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์„ ์ฐพ๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด. ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์˜ ์ž๊ธฐ์„ฑ์ฐฐ์„ ํ•จ์–‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด.
17:07
In silence, in meditation, in my inner space, in the me that remains
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์นจ๋ฌต์˜ ์•ˆ์—์„œ, ๋ช…์ƒ์˜ ์•ˆ์—์„œ, ๋‚ด๋ฉด์˜ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์—์„œ, ์ž”์กดํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚˜์˜ ๋‚ด๋ฉด์—์„œ
17:15
when I gently put aside my passing emotions and ideas and preoccupations.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ €์˜ ์ผ์‹œ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ •๊ณผ ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ์„ ์ž…๊ด€์„ ์„œ์„œํžˆ ์ œ๊ฑฐ์‹œ์ผฐ์„๋•Œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
17:24
In awareness of the inner conversation.
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๋‚ด๋ฉด์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ž๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ์—.
17:27
And how would we live such a faith? How would I live such a faith?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹ ์•™ ์†์—์„œ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹ ์•™์œผ๋กœ ์‚ด์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
17:33
By seeking intimate connection with your inwardness.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๋‚ด๋ฉด์„ฑ๊ณผ์˜ ์นœ๋ฐ€ํ•œ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:38
The kind of relationships when deep speaks to deep.
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์‹ฌ์˜คํ•จ์ด ์‹ฌ์˜คํ•จ์— ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ด€๊ณ„.
17:42
If God is in all people, then there is a meeting place
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์†์— ์กด์žฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ €์™€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์ธ๊ฐ„๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€
17:46
where my relationship with you becomes a three-way encounter.
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3 ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์˜ ์กฐ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋งŒ๋‚จ์˜ ์ง€์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:51
There is an Indian greeting, which I'm sure some of you know:
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ช‡๋ถ„์€ ์•„์‹ค๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ธ๋„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์ธ์‚ฟ๋ง์ด ์žˆ์ฃ :
17:57
"Namaste," accompanied by a respectful bow,
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๊ณต์†ํ•œ ์ ˆ์ด ๋’ค๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋Š” "๋‚˜๋งˆ์Šคํ…Œ,"
18:01
which, roughly translated means,
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๋Œ€๋žต ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋˜๋Š” ๋œป์€
18:05
"That which is of God in me greets that which of God is in you."
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"๋‚ด์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹ ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
18:10
Namaste.
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๋‚˜๋งˆ์Šคํ…Œ
18:15
And how would one deepen such a faith?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹ ์•™์„ ๊นŠ๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
18:18
By seeking the inwardness which is in all things.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ ๋‚ด์— ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ž๊ธฐ์„ฑ์ฐฐ์„ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ์ฃ .
18:21
In music and poetry, in the natural world of beauty
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์Œ์•…๊ณผ ์‹œ, ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์ž์—ฐ์„ธ๊ณ„, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
18:26
and in the small ordinary things of life,
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์‚ถ์˜ ์ž‘๊ณ  ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ์•ˆ์—,
18:29
there is a deep, indwelling presence that makes them extraordinary.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊นŠ๊ณ , ๋˜ํ•œ ๋‚ด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ์กด์žฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:34
It needs a profound attentiveness and a patient waiting,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋ฐฐ๋ ค์™€ ์ฐธ์„์„ฑ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆผ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:41
a contemplative attitude and a generosity and openness
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๋ฌต์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ํƒœ๋„, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์™€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„
18:46
to those whose experience is different from my own.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ด€๋Œ€ํ•จ๊ณผ ์—ด๋ฆฐ ๋งˆ์Œ.
18:51
When I stood up to speak to my people about God and the tsunami,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜๊ณผ ์ฏ”๋‚˜๋ฏธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ €ํฌ ๊ต์ธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์„ค๊ตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์„ฐ์„ ๋•Œ,
18:54
I had no answers to offer them.
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๋‹ต์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:58
No neat packages of faith, with Bible references to prove them.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๋ช…ํ•  ์„ฑ๊ฒฝ ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ์ž˜ ํฌ์žฅ๋œ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์˜ ๊ฐ•๋ น์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:03
Only doubts and questioning and uncertainty.
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๋‹จ์ง€ ์˜์‹ฌ๊ณผ ์˜๋ฌธ๊ณผ ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ ๋ฟ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
19:08
I had some suggestions to make --
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋ช‡๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ œ์•ˆํ• ๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค--
19:11
possible new ways of thinking about God.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•.
19:14
Ways that might allow us to go on, down a new and uncharted road.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฏธ์ง€์˜ ๊ธธ๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•.
19:20
But in the end, the only thing I could say for sure was, "I don't know,"
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๋‹จ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” "์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค," ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:28
and that just might be the most profoundly religious statement of all.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‹ฌ์˜คํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ๋ฐœ์–ธ์ผ ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:34
Thank you.
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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