How you can use impostor syndrome to your benefit | Mike Cannon-Brookes

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืชืจื’ื•ื: Zeeva Livshitz ืขืจื™ื›ื”: Allon Sasson
00:13
So I've experienced a lot of success in my life.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ื•ื™ืชื™ ื”ืฆืœื—ื” ืจื‘ื” ื‘ื—ื™ื™.
00:17
Over a decade ago,
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ืœืคื ื™ ืขืฉื•ืจ,
00:19
I started a business straight out of uni with my mate, Scott.
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ืžื™ื“ ืœืื—ืจ ื”ืื•ื ื™ื‘ืจืกื™ื˜ื”, ื”ืงืžืชื™ ืขืกืง ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ื”ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™ ืกืงื•ื˜.
00:24
Now, having no prior business experience
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ืœืœื ื ื™ืกื™ื•ืŸ ืงื•ื“ื ื‘ืขืกืงื™ื
00:26
and not really any grand plan --
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ื•ืœืœื ืชื›ื ื™ืช ืžืคื•ืืจืช ื›ืœืฉื”ื™ -
00:29
in fact, our goals when we started were not to have to get a real job
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ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื”ืžื˜ืจื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ื›ืฉื”ืชื—ืœื ื•, ื”ื™ื• ืื™ืš ืœื ืœื”ื–ื“ืงืง ืœืงื‘ืœ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืืžื™ืชื™ืช ื›ืœืฉื”ื™
00:32
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
00:33
and to not have to wear a suit to work every day.
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ื•ืœื ืœื”ื™ืืœืฅ ืœืœื‘ื•ืฉ ืžื“ื™ ื™ื•ื ื—ืœื™ืคื” ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
00:36
Check and check.
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ื”ืฆืœื™ื— ื•ื”ืฆืœื™ื—.
00:37
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
00:39
Today, we have thousands of amazing employees,
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ื”ื™ื•ื ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืืœืคื™ ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ืžื“ื”ื™ืžื™ื,
00:43
and millions of people use our software around the planet.
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ื•ืžื™ืœื™ื•ื ื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื ืžืฉืชืžืฉื™ื ื‘ืชื•ื›ื ื” ืฉืœื ื•.
00:47
And technically, even outside the planet,
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ื•ื˜ื›ื ื™ืช, ืืคื™ืœื• ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื•,
00:49
if you count those that are currently on their way to Mars.
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ืื ืกื•ืคืจื™ื ืืช ืืœื” ืฉืขื•ืฉื™ื ื›ืจื’ืข ืืช ื“ืจื›ื ืœืžืื“ื™ื.
00:52
So you'd think that I know what I'm doing every day
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ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื
00:55
when I go to work.
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ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
00:57
Well, let me let you in on something:
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ืื– ื”ืจืฉื• ืœื™ ืœื’ืœื•ืช ืœื›ื ืžืฉื”ื•:
00:59
most days, I still feel like I often don't know what I'm doing.
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ื‘ืจื•ื‘ ื”ื™ืžื™ื, ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ, ืœืขื™ืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื”.
01:04
I've felt that way for 15 years,
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ืื ื™ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ื›ืš ืžื–ื” 15 ืฉื ื™ื,
01:07
and I've since learned that feeling is called "impostor syndrome."
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ื•ืžืื– ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืฉืœืชื—ื•ืฉื” ื”ื–ืืช ืงื•ืจืื™ื "ืชืกืžื•ื ืช ื”ืžืชื—ื–ื”."
01:13
Have you ever felt out of your depth,
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ื”ืื ื—ืฉืชื ืื™ ืคืขื ืฉืืชื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื’ื‘ื•ืœื•ืช ื”ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืฉืœื›ื,
01:15
like a fraud,
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ื›ืžื• ื”ื•ื ืื”,
01:17
and just kind of guessed/bullshitted your way through the situation --
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ื•ืจืง ื ื™ื—ืฉืชื/ื—ื™ืคืคืชื ืืช ื“ืจื›ื›ื ื“ืจืš ื”ืกื™ื˜ื•ืืฆื™ื” --
01:21
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:22
petrified that anytime,
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ื›ืฉืืชื ืžืื•ื‘ื ื™ื ืžืื™ืžื” ืฉืžืชื™ืฉื”ื•
01:24
someone was going to call you on it?
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื”ื•ืœืš ืœื—ืฉื•ืฃ ืืชื›ื?
01:27
Well, I can think of many examples where I felt like this.
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ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื•ื’ืžืื•ืช ืฉื‘ื”ืŸ ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ื›ืš.
01:31
Interviewing our first HR manager,
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ื›ืฉืจืื™ื™ื ืชื™ ืืช ืžื ื”ืœ ืžืฉืื‘ื™ ืื ื•ืฉ ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื•,
01:33
having never worked in a company that had an HR department --
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ื›ืฉืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืœื” ืžื—ืœืงืช ืžืฉืื‘ื™ ืื ื•ืฉ --
01:36
(Laughter)
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01:38
terrified as I walked into the interview,
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ื ื›ื ืกืชื™ ืœืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืžื‘ื•ื”ืœ,
01:41
thinking, "What am I going to ask this person?"
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ื•ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™, "ืžื” ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืืช ื”ืื“ื ื”ื–ื”?"
01:43
Or attending board meetings in a T-shirt surrounded by suits,
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ืื• ื›ืฉื”ืฉืชืชืคืชื™ ื‘ื™ืฉื™ื‘ื•ืช ื“ื™ืจืงื˜ื•ืจื™ื•ืŸ ื‘ื—ื•ืœืฆืช ื˜ืจื™ืงื• ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžื•ืงืฃ ื‘ื—ืœื™ืคื•ืช,
01:47
and acronyms are flying around,
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ื•ืจืืฉื™ ืชื™ื‘ื•ืช ืžืชืขื•ืคืคื™ื ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘,
01:49
feeling like a five-year-old
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ื›ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ื›ืžื• ื™ืœื“ ื‘ืŸ ื—ืžืฉ
01:50
as I surreptitiously write them down in my notebook,
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ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืจืฉืžืชื™ ืื•ืชื ื‘ื—ืฉืื™ ื‘ืคื ืงืก ืฉืœื™,
01:53
so I can look them up on Wikipedia when I get home later.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืื•ื›ืœ ืœื—ืคืฉ ืื•ืชื ื‘ื•ื•ื™ืงื™ืคื“ื™ื” ื›ืฉืื—ื–ื•ืจ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ืื—ืจ ื›ืš.
01:56
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:57
Or, in the early days,
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ืื•, ื‘ืชื—ื™ืœืช ื”ื“ืจืš,
01:58
when people would call up and ask for accounts payable,
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ื›ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืชืงืฉืจื• ื•ื‘ื™ืงืฉื• ื—ืฉื‘ื•ื ื•ืช ื–ื›ืื™ื,
02:01
I would freeze and think, "Wait, are they asking for money
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืชืื‘ืŸ ื•ื—ื•ืฉื‘ "ืจื’ืข, ื”ื ืžื‘ืงืฉื™ื ืœืงื‘ืœ ื›ืกืฃ
02:05
or giving it to us?"
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ืื• ืœืชืช ืœื ื• ืื•ืชื•?"
02:06
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:09
And I would cover the phone,
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ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื›ืกื” ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ,
02:12
cover the mouthpiece of the phone,
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ืžื›ืกื” ืืช ืคื™ื™ืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ,
02:14
and say, "Scott, you're in accounts,"
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ื•ืื•ืžืจ, "ืกืงื•ื˜, ืืชื” ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื‘ื—ืฉื‘ื•ื ื•ืช,"
02:16
and pass it across.
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ื•ืžืขื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ.
02:17
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:18
We both did a lot of jobs back then.
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ืฉื ื™ื ื• ื‘ื™ืฆืขื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ืื–.
02:21
So for me, impostor syndrome is a feeling of being well, well out of your depth,
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ื›ืš ืฉืžื‘ื—ื™ื ืชื™, ืชืกืžื•ื ืช ื”ืžืชื—ื–ื” ื”ื™ื ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืขื‘ืจ ืœื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™,
02:26
yet already entrenched in the situation.
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ืื‘ืœ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืฉืงื•ืข ื‘ืžืฆื‘.
02:29
Internally, you know you're not skilled enough, experienced enough
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ื‘ืชื•ื›ืš, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืื™ื ืš ืžื™ื•ืžืŸ ื•ืžื ื•ืกื” ืžืกืคื™ืง
02:32
or qualified enough to justify being there,
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ืื• ืžื•ืกืžืš ืžืกืคื™ืง ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืฉื™ืฆื“ื™ืง ืืช ื”ื™ื•ืชืš ืฉื,
02:35
yet you are there,
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ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืืชื” ืฉื,
02:37
and you have to figure a way out,
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ื•ืืชื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืžืฆื•ื ื“ืจืš ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”,
02:39
because you can't just get out.
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ื›ื™ ืืชื” ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœืฆืืช.
02:41
It's not a fear of failure,
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ื–ื” ืœื ืคื—ื“ ืžื›ื™ืฉืœื•ืŸ,
02:43
and it's not a fear of being unable to do it.
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ื•ื–ื” ืœื ืคื—ื“ ืžืื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช.
02:47
It's more a sensation of getting away with something,
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ื–ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉืœ ื”ืชื—ืžืงื•ืช ืžืœื”ื™ืชืคืก,
02:50
a fear of being discovered,
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ืคื—ื“ ืœื”ืชื’ืœื•ืช,
02:52
that at any time, someone is going to figure this out.
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ืฉื‘ื›ืœ ืจื’ืข ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืขืฉื•ื™ ืœื’ืœื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”.
02:55
And if they did figure it out,
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ื•ืื ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžื’ืœื™ื ืืช ื–ื”,
02:57
you'd honestly think, "Well, that's fair enough, actually."
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ื”ื™ื™ืช ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ื‘ื›ื ื•ืช, "ื˜ื•ื‘, ื–ื” ืžืžืฉ ื“ื™ ื”ื•ื’ืŸ. "
03:00
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:01
One of my favorite writers, Neil Gaiman, put it so beautifully
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ืื—ื“ ื”ืกื•ืคืจื™ื ื”ืื”ื•ื‘ื™ื ืขืœื™, ื ื™ืœ ื’ืื™ืžืŸ, ืืžืจ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื™ืคื”
03:05
in a commencement address he gave at a university, called "Make Good Art."
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ื‘ืคืชื™ื—ื” ืœื”ืจืฆืื” ืฉื”ื•ื ื ืชืŸ ื‘ืื•ื ื™ื‘ืจืกื™ื˜ื”, ืฉื ืงืจืื” "ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืžื ื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ื”."
03:09
I want to make sure I get his quote correct.
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ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉืืฆื˜ื˜ ืื•ืชื• ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
03:12
"I was convinced that there would be a knock on the door,
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"ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืฉื•ื›ื ืข ืฉืชื”ื™ื” ื“ืคื™ืงื” ืขืœ ื”ื“ืœืช
03:16
and a man with a clipboard would be there to tell me that it was all over,
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ื•ืื“ื ืขื ืœื•ื— ื›ืชื™ื‘ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื™ ืฉื”ื›ืœ ื ื’ืžืจ,
03:20
that they'd caught up with me,
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ืฉื”ื ืชืคืกื• ืื•ืชื™,
03:22
and that I would now have to go and get a real job."
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ื•ืฉื›ืขืช ืืฆื˜ืจืš ืœืœื›ืช ื•ืœืžืฆื•ื ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืืžื™ืชื™ืช."
03:26
Now, when there's a knock on my door,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื›ืฉื™ืฉ ื“ืคื™ืงื” ืขืœ ื”ื“ืœืช ืฉืœื™,
03:29
I still feel like some sort of dark-suited clipboard man is going to be there
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ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ื›ืื™ืœื• ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื‘ื—ืœื™ืคื” ืฉื—ื•ืจื” ื•ืœื•ื— ื›ืชื™ื‘ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืฉื
03:33
to tell me that my time is kind of up.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื™ ืฉื–ืžื ื™ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืขื‘ืจ.
03:36
And being a crap cook,
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ื•ื›ื˜ื‘ื— ืขืœื•ื‘ ื›ืคื™ ืฉืื ื™,
03:37
I'm quite relieved when it's just someone with a pizza for the kids.
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ืื ื™ ื ื•ืฉื ืœืจื•ื•ื—ื” ื›ืฉื–ื” ืจืง ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืขื ืคื™ืฆื” ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื.
03:40
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:42
But it's important to note that it's not all bad.
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ืื‘ืœ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืฆื™ื™ืŸ ืฉื–ื” ืœื ืœื’ืžืจื™ ืจืข.
03:45
There's a lot of goodness, I think, in those feelings.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื™ืฉ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ืจื’ืฉื•ืช ื”ืืœื”.
03:47
And this isn't some sort of motivational-poster type talk,
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ื•ื–ื” ืœื ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ื“ื™ื‘ื•ืจ ื“ืžื•ื™ ื›ืจื–ืช ืžื•ื˜ื™ื‘ืฆื™ื”,
03:53
a "Begin it now."
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ื›ืžื• "ื”ืชื—ืœ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืขืช."
03:56
It's more of an introspection into my own experiences of impostor syndrome,
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ื–ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ื”ืชื‘ื•ื ื ื•ืช ืคื ื™ืžื™ืช ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืชื ืกื•ื™ื•ืช "ืชืกืžื•ื ืช ื”ืžืชื—ื–ื”" ืฉืœื™,
04:00
and how I've tried to learn to harness them
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ื•ืื™ืš ื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืœืจืชื•ื ืื•ืชืŸ
04:03
and turn them into some sort of a force for good.
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ื•ืœื”ืคื•ืš ืื•ืชืŸ ืœืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ื›ื•ื— ืžื•ืขื™ืœ.
04:05
And a great example of those experiences
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ื•ื“ื•ื’ืžื” ื ื”ื“ืจืช ืฉืœ ื”ืชื ืกื•ื™ื•ืช ืืœื•
04:07
is in the early days of Atlassian's history.
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ื”ื™ื ืžื™ืžื™ื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืื˜ืœืกื™ืืŸ.
04:09
We were about four years old, and we had about 70 employees.
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ืžืœืื• ืœื ื• ื›- 4 ืฉื ื™ื ื•ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื›- 70 ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื.
04:14
And at the advice of our auditors --
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ื•ื‘ืขืฆืช ืจื•ืื™ ื”ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื• --
04:16
most good stories start with advice from an auditor --
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ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ื‘ืขืฆื” ืฉืœ ืจื•ืื” ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ --
04:19
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
04:20
we entered the New South Wales Entrepreneur of the Year competition.
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ื ื›ื ืกื ื• ืœืชื—ืจื•ืช ื™ื–ื ื”ืฉื ื” ืฉืœ ื ื™ื• ืกืื•ืช' ื•ื•ื™ืœืก.
04:24
Now, we were surprised when we won
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ื”ื•ืคืชืขื ื• ื›ืฉื ื™ืฆื—ื ื•
04:26
the New South Wales Entrepreneur of the Year
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ื‘ืชื•ืืจ ื™ื–ื ื”ืฉื ื” ืฉืœ ื ื™ื• ืกืื•ืช' ื•ื•ื™ืœืก
04:28
in the young category for entrepreneurs under 40.
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ื‘ืงื˜ื’ื•ืจื™ื™ืช ื”ื™ื–ืžื™ื ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ืฉืžืชื—ืช ืœื’ื™ืœ 40.
04:31
There were eight categories.
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ื”ื™ื• ืฉืžื•ื ื” ืงื˜ื’ื•ืจื™ื•ืช.
04:32
And so surprised, in fact,
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ื•ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื•ืคืชืขื™ื, ืœืžืขืฉื”,
04:34
having looked at the list of people we were up against,
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ืฉืœืื—ืจ ืฉื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™ ื‘ืจืฉื™ืžืช ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื”ืชื—ืจื• ื ื’ื“ื ื•,
04:37
I didn't even turn up to the awards ceremony.
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ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘ืชื™ ืœื˜ืงืก ื”ืขื ืงืช ื”ืคืจืกื™ื.
04:39
So Scott collected the gong by himself.
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ืื– ืกืงื•ื˜ ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืืช ื”ืคืจืก ืœื‘ื“ื•.
04:42
And then we traveled off to the national awards.
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ื•ืื– ื ืกืขื ื• ืœืื™ืจื•ืข ื”ืคืจืกื™ื ื”ืœืื•ืžื™ื™ื.
04:46
I thought I should probably turn up to those.
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ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉืื•ืœื™ ื›ื“ืื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืืœืš ืœืืœื”.
04:48
So we rented some suits,
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ืื– ืฉื›ืจื ื• ื—ืœื™ืคื•ืช,
04:50
I invited a girl that I had just met --
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ื”ื–ืžื ืชื™ ื‘ื—ื•ืจื” ืฉื–ื” ืขืชื” ืคื’ืฉืชื™ --
04:52
we'll get to her in a second --
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ื ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ื“ืงื” --
04:54
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
04:55
and off we went to the big black-tie gala.
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ื•ื™ืฆืื ื• ืœื’ืืœื” ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืฉืœ ืœื•ื‘ืฉื™ ื”ื˜ื•ืงืกื™ื“ื• ื”ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื™ื.
04:58
Now, our surprise turned to shock
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ื•ื”ื”ืคืชืขื” ืฉืœื ื• ื”ืคื›ื” ืœื”ืœื
05:01
in the first award of the night, the young category,
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ื‘ืคืจืก ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ืขืจื‘, ื‘ืงื˜ื’ื•ืจื™ืช ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื.
05:03
when we beat all of the other states
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ื›ืฉื ื™ืฆื—ื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื•ืช ื”ืื—ืจื•ืช
05:05
and won the Australian Young Entrepreneur of the Year.
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ื•ื–ื›ื™ื ื• ื‘ืชื•ืืจ ื™ื–ื ื”ืฉื ื” ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ ืฉืœ ืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™ื”.
05:07
When the shock had worn off,
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ื›ืฉื”ื”ืœื ื”ืชืคื•ื’ื’,
05:09
we got a lot of champagne to the table and the party began,
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ื”ื’ื™ืฉื• ืœื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ืฉืžืคื ื™ื” ืœืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ ื•ื”ื—ื’ื™ื’ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื”,
05:12
and the night was surely over.
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ื•ื”ืœื™ืœื” ืœืœื ืกืคืง ื ื’ืžืจ.
05:13
We were having a royally great time.
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ื‘ื™ืœื™ื ื• ืขืจื‘ ื ืคืœื.
05:15
Fast-forward to the last award of the night,
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ื“ื™ืœื•ื’ ืžื”ื™ืจ ืœื—ืœื•ืงืช ื”ืคืจืก ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ืขืจื‘.
05:18
and our shock turned into everybody's shock
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ื•ื”ื”ืœื ืฉืœื ื• ื”ืคืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื”ื”ืœื ืฉืœ ื›ื•ืœื
05:20
when we won the Australian Entrepreneur of the Year
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ื›ืฉื–ื›ื™ื ื• ื‘ืชื•ืืจ ื™ื–ื ื”ืฉื ื” ื”ืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™
05:23
against all of the other categories.
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ืžื•ืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืงื˜ื’ื•ืจื™ื•ืช ื”ืื—ืจื•ืช.
05:25
Now, so shocked was everybody else, in fact,
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ื›ืœ ื”ืื—ืจื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืžื•ืžื™ื, ืœืžืขืฉื”,
05:27
that the announcer, the CEO of Ernst and Young,
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ืฉื”ืงืจื™ื™ืŸ, ื”ืžื ื›"ืœ ืฉืœ "ืืจื ืกื˜ ืื ื“ ื™ืื ื’",
05:29
opened the envelope,
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ืคืชื— ืืช ื”ืžืขื˜ืคื”,
05:30
and the first words out of his mouth were, "Oh my God."
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ื•ื”ืžื™ืœื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื•ืช ืฉื™ืฆืื• ืžืคื™ื• ื”ื™ื• "ืืœื•ื”ื™ื ืื“ื™ืจื™ื."
05:33
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
05:34
And then he reset himself and announced that we had won.
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ื•ืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ืชืขืฉืช ื•ื”ื›ืจื™ื– ืฉื–ื›ื™ื ื•.
05:37
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
05:38
So we knew we were in way too deep.
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ืื– ื”ื‘ื ื• ืฉื ื›ื ืกื ื• ืขืžื•ืง ืžื“ื™
05:41
And from there, the water got a lot deeper,
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ื•ืฉืžืฉื ื”ืžื™ื ื™ื”ื™ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขืžื•ืงื™ื.
05:43
because we jetted off to Monte Carlo
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ื›ื™ ื˜ืกื ื• ืœืžื•ื ื˜ื” ืงืจืœื•
05:45
to represent Australia in the World Entrepreneur of the Year
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ืœื™ื™ืฆื’ ืืช ืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™ื” ื‘ืชื—ืจื•ืช ื™ื–ื ื”ืฉื ื” ื”ืขื•ืœืžื™
05:48
against 40 other different countries.
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ืžื•ืœ 40 ืžื“ื™ื ื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื•ืช ืื—ืจื•ืช.
05:51
Now, in another rented suit, I was at one of the dinners
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ื‘ื—ืœื™ืคื” ืžื•ืฉื›ืจืช ืื—ืจืช ื”ืฉืชืชืคืชื™ ื‘ืื—ืช ื”ืืจื•ื—ื•ืช
05:55
and sitting next to a lovely man called Belmiro de Azevedo,
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ื•ื™ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืœื™ื“ ืื“ื ืžืงืกื™ื ื‘ืฉื ื‘ืœืžื™ืจื• ื“ื” ืื–ื‘ื“ื•,
05:59
who was the winner from Portugal.
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ืฉื”ื™ื” ื”ืžื ืฆื— ืžืคื•ืจื˜ื•ื’ืœ.
06:01
Total champion.
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ืืœื•ืฃ ืžื•ืฉืœื.
06:02
At 65, he had been running his business for 40 years.
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ื‘ื’ื™ืœ 65 ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื™ืฅ ืืช ื”ืขืกืง ืฉืœื• ื‘ืžืฉืš 40 ืฉื ื”,
06:06
He had 30,000 employees.
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ื”ื™ื• ืœื• 30,000 ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื.
06:08
Don't forget, at the time, we had 70.
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ืืœ ืชืฉื›ื—ื• ืฉื‘ืื•ืชื• ื–ืžืŸ ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื• 70.
06:10
And he had four billion euro in turnover.
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ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืžื—ื–ื•ืจ ืฉืœ 4 ืžื™ืœื™ืืจื“ ืื™ืจื•.
06:13
And after a couple of wines,
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ื•ืื—ืจื™ ื›ืžื” ื›ื•ืกื•ืช ื™ื™ืŸ,
06:15
I remember admitting to him that I felt that we did not deserve to be there,
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ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื”ื•ื“ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืคื ื™ื• ืฉื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ื›ืื™ืœื• ืœื ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื ื• ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉื,
06:19
that we were well out of our depth,
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ืฉื—ืจื’ื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืขื‘ืจ ืœื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืฉืœื ื•.
06:21
and at some time, someone was going to figure this out
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ื•ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื›ืœืฉื”ื• ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืขื•ืžื“ ืœื’ืœื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”
06:23
and send us home to Australia.
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ื•ืœืฉืœื•ื— ืื•ืชื ื• ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ืœืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™ื”.
06:25
And he, I remember, just paused and looked at me
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ื•ื”ื•ื, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ืฉืชื”ื” ื•ื”ื‘ื™ื˜ ื‘ื™
06:28
and said that he felt exactly the same way
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ื•ืืžืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื•ืชื• ื“ื‘ืจ
06:31
and that he suspected all the winners were feeling that way,
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ื•ืฉื”ื•ื ื—ืฉื“ ืฉื›ืœ ื”ืžื ืฆื—ื™ื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉื• ืื•ืชื• ื“ื‘ืจ,
06:35
and that despite not knowing Scott or I or really anything about technology,
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ื•ื–ื” ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžื›ื™ืจ ืืช ืกืงื•ื˜ ืื• ืื•ืชื™, ืื• ื‘ืืžืช ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืงืฉื•ืจ ื‘ื˜ื›ื ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”.
06:38
he said that we were obviously doing something right
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ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืฉื‘ืœื™ ืกืคืง ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืžืฉื”ื• ื ื›ื•ืŸ
06:41
and should probably just keep going.
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ื•ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื ืฆื˜ืจืš ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš.
06:43
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง}
06:44
Now, this was a pretty big light bulb moment for me for two reasons.
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืจื’ืข ืžื›ื•ื ืŸ ืขื‘ื•ืจื™ ืžืฉืชื™ ืกื™ื‘ื•ืช.
06:47
One, I realized that other people felt this as well.
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ืื—ืช, ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ื’ื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉื• ื›ืš.
06:50
And two, I realized it doesn't go away with any form of success.
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ื•ืฉื ื™ื™ื, ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ืœื ื ืขืœื ืขื ื›ืœ ืฆื•ืจื” ืฉืœ ื”ืฆืœื—ื” ื›ืœืฉื”ื™.
06:54
I had assumed that successful people didn't feel like frauds,
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ื”ื ื—ืชื™ ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืžืฆืœื™ื—ื™ื ืœื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉื• ื›ืžื• ืžืชื—ื–ื™ื,
06:58
and I now know that the opposite is more likely to be true.
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ื•ื›ืขืช ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืกื‘ื™ืจ ืฉื”ื”ืคืš ืžื–ื” ื”ื•ื ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
07:01
And this isn't just a feeling that I have at work.
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ื•ื–ื• ืœื ืจืง ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
07:04
It happens in my personal life, too.
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ื–ื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœื™ ื’ื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื™ื.
07:06
In the early days,
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ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”,
07:07
I was flying back and forth to San Francisco every week for Atlassian,
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ื˜ืกืชื™ ืžื“ื™ ืฉื‘ื•ืข ื”ืœื•ืš ื•ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœืกืŸ ืคืจื ืกื™ืกืงื•, ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืื˜ืœืกื™ืืŸ ,
07:11
and I racked up a lot of frequent flyer points
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ื•ืฆื‘ืจืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื ืงื•ื“ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื ื•ืกืข ืžืชืžื™ื“
07:13
and got access to the Qantas business lounge.
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ื•ืื™ืฉืจื• ืœื™ ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืœื˜ืจืงืœื™ืŸ ื”ืขืกืงื™ ืฉืœ ืงื•ื•ืื ื˜ืก.
07:15
Now, if there's ever a place that I don't belong ...
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ื•ืื ืื™ ืคืขื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื•ื ืฉืืœื™ื• ืื ื™ ืœื ืฉื™ื™ืš...
07:17
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
07:19
It doesn't help when I walk in and they generally look at me in shorts and jeans,
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ื–ื” ืœื ืขื–ืจ ื›ืฉื ื›ื ืกืชื™ ื‘ืžื›ื ืกื™ื™ื ืงืฆืจื™ื ื•ื’'ื™ื ืก ื•ื”ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื”ื‘ื™ื˜ื• ื‘ื™,
07:22
or jeans and a T-shirt, and say, "Can I help you, son? Are you lost?"
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ืื• ื‘ื’'ื™ื ืก ื•ื—ื•ืœืฆืช ื˜ืจื™ืงื•, ื•ืืžืจื•, "ืืคืฉืจ ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœืš ื‘ื—ื•ืจ? ื”ืœื›ืช ืœืื™ื‘ื•ื“?"
07:26
But anyway, sometimes life happens in the Qantas lounge
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืงื•ืจื™ื ื‘ื˜ืจืงืœื™ืŸ ื”ืงื•ื•ืื ื˜ืก
07:30
when you'd least expect it.
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ื›ืฉืืชื ื”ื›ื™ ืคื—ื•ืช ืžืฆืคื™ื ืœื›ืš.
07:31
One morning, over a decade ago,
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ื‘ื•ืงืจ ืื—ื“, ืœืคื ื™ ืœืžืขืœื” ืžืขืฉื•ืจ,
07:33
I was sitting there on my regularly weekly commute,
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ื™ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื ื›ืžื™ื“ื™ ืฉื‘ื•ืข,
07:35
and a beautiful woman from way out of my league
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ื•ืื™ืฉื” ื™ืคื”, ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืขืœ ื”ืœื™ื’ื” ืฉืœื™
07:38
walked into the Qantas lounge and continued walking straight up to me
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ื ื›ื ืกื” ืœื˜ืจืงืœื™ืŸ ืงื•ื•ืื ื˜ืก ื•ื”ืžืฉื™ื›ื” ืœืœื›ืช ื™ืฉืจ ืืœื™
07:43
in a case of mistaken identity.
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ื‘ืžืงืจื” ืฉืœ ื–ื”ื•ืช ืฉื’ื•ื™ื”.
07:46
She thought I was someone else,
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ื”ื™ื ื—ืฉื‘ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ,
07:47
so in this case, I actually was an impostor.
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ืื– ื‘ืžืงืจื” ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืืžืช ืžืชื—ื–ื”.
07:50
(Laughter)
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{ืฆื—ื•ืง)
07:52
But rather than freeze as I would have historically done
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœื”ืชืื‘ืŸ ื›ืคื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœื™ ื‘ืขื‘ืจ
07:56
or chivalrously maybe informed her of her error,
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ืื• ืื•ืœื™ ื‘ืื‘ื™ืจื•ืช ืžื•ื“ื™ืข ืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื˜ื•ืขื”,
08:00
I just tried to keep the conversation going.
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ื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ื‘ืฉื™ื—ื”.
08:02
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
08:04
And classic Australian bullshit became some sort of forward movement
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ื•ื‘ื™ืจื‘ื•ืจื™ื ืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™ื™ื ืงืœืืกื™ื™ื ื”ืคื›ื• ืœืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืฆืขื“ ืงื“ื™ืžื”
08:07
and a phone number.
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ื•ืžืกืคืจ ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ.
08:08
And I took that girl to the awards ceremony a couple of months later.
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ื•ืœืงื—ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื‘ื—ื•ืจื” ื”ื–ื• ืœื˜ืงืก ื”ืขื ืงืช ื”ืคืจืกื™ื ื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื
08:15
And more than a decade later,
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ื•ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืขืฉื•ืจ ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ,
08:17
I'm incredibly happy that she is now my wife,
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ืื ื™ ืžืื•ืฉืจ ืœื”ืคืœื™ื ืžื–ื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืืฉืชื™,
08:19
and we have four amazing children together.
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ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืืจื‘ืขื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืžื“ื”ื™ืžื™ื.
08:21
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
08:27
But you'd think that when I wake up every morning,
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืฉื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžืชืขื•ืจืจ ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ื•ืงืจ,
08:29
I wouldn't roll over and look at her and think, "She's going to say,
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ืื™ื ื ื™ ืžืชื”ืคืš ื‘ืžื™ื˜ื”, ืžื‘ื™ื˜ ื‘ื” ื•ื—ื•ืฉื‘: "ื”ื™ื ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืœื•ืžืจ,
08:33
'Who are you, and who gave you that side of the bed?'
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"ืžื™ ืืชื”, ื•ืžื™ ื ืชืŸ ืœืš ืืช ื”ืฆื“ ื”ื”ื•ื ืฉืœ ื”ืžื™ื˜ื”?
08:35
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
08:36
'Get out of here.'"
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'ืฆื ืžื›ืืŸ.'"
08:38
But she doesn't.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ืœื.
08:40
And I think she sometimes feels the same way.
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืœืคืขืžื™ื ื”ื™ื ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื” ื›ืš.
08:43
And apparently, that's one of the reasons
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ื•ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉื–ื• ืื—ืช ืžื”ืกื™ื‘ื•ืช
08:45
that we'll likely have a successful marriage.
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ืฉืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื”ื ื™ื— ืฉื™ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื ื™ืฉื•ืื™ื ืžื•ืฆืœื—ื™ื.
08:47
You see, in researching this talk,
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ื›ืฉื”ืชื›ื•ื ื ืชื™ ืœืฉื™ื—ื” ื”ื–ื•,
08:49
I learned that one of the attributes of the most successful relationships
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ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืฉืื—ืช ื”ืชื›ื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื”ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื”ืžืฆืœื™ื—ื•ืช ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ
08:53
is when both partners feel out of their league.
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ื”ื™ื ื›ืฉืฉื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ ื”ื–ื•ื’ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืœื™ื’ื” ืฉืœื”ื.
08:55
They feel that their partner is out of their league.
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ื”ื ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ืฉื‘ืŸ ื”ื–ื•ื’ ืฉืœื”ื ื ืžืฆื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืœื™ื’ื” ืฉืœื”ื.
08:58
They feel like impostors.
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ื”ื ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ืžืชื—ื–ื™ื.
09:00
And if they don't freeze, and they're thankful,
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ื•ืื ื”ื ืœื ืžืชืื‘ื ื™ื ื•ื”ื ืืกื™ืจื™ ืชื•ื“ื”,
09:02
and they work harder and they stretch to be the best partner they can,
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ื•ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ืงืฉื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื•ืžืชืืžืฆื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื ื™ ื”ื–ื•ื’ ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ืฉื”ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช,
09:06
it's likely to be a very successful relationship.
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ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืฉื–ื• ืชื”ื™ื” ืžืขืจื›ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ืžื•ืฆืœื—ืช ืžืื•ื“.
09:08
So if you have this feeling, don't freeze.
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ืื– ืื ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืืช ื”ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืืœ ืชืชืื‘ื ื•.
09:11
Try to keep the conversation going,
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ื ืกื• ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ื‘ืฉื™ื—ื”,
09:14
even if she thinks that you're somebody that you're not.
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ื’ื ืื ื”ื™ื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืืชื” ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืื™ื ืš.
09:18
Now, feeling like, or people thinking I'm someone I'm not
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ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื›ืžื•, ืื• ื›ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืฉืื ื™ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืื ื™ ืœื
09:21
actually happens quite frequently.
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ืœืžืขืฉื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœืขื™ืชื™ื ื“ื™ ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช.
09:23
A great example from my more recent past,
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ื“ื•ื’ืžื” ืžืฆื•ื™ื ืช ืžื”ืขื‘ืจ ื”ืงืจื•ื‘ ืฉืœื™:
09:26
a few months ago, I was up late at night with one of my kids,
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ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื, ื ืฉืืจืชื™ ืขืจ ืžืื•ื—ืจ ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืขื ืื—ื“ ืžื™ืœื“ื™ื™,
09:29
and I saw something on Twitter
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ื•ืจืื™ืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ
09:31
about Tesla saying that they could solve
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ืขืœ ื›ืš ืฉ"ื˜ืกืœื”" ืืžืจื• ืฉื”ื ื™ื›ืœื• ืœืคืชื•ืจ
09:33
South Australia's rolling series of power crises
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ืืช ืกื“ืจื•ืช ืžืฉื‘ืจื™ ื”ืื ืจื’ื™ื” ื‘ื“ืจื•ื ืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™ื”
09:36
with one of their large industrial batteries.
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ื‘ืขื–ืจืช ืื—ืช ื”ืกื•ืœืœื•ืช ื”ืชืขืฉื™ื™ืชื™ื•ืช ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื.
09:39
Without thinking, I fired off a bunch of tweets,
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ืžื‘ืœื™ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘, ืฉื™ื’ืจืชื™ ื—ื–ืจื” ื›ืžื” ืฆื™ื•ืฆื™ื
09:41
challenging them and saying were they really serious about this.
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ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžืืชื’ืจ ืื•ืชื ื•ืฉื•ืืœ ืื ื”ื ื‘ืืžืช ืจืฆื™ื ื™ื™ื ื‘ืงืฉืจ ืœื–ื”.
09:45
And in doing so, I managed to kick a very small rock
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ื•ื‘ื›ืš, ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœื‘ืขื•ื˜ ื‘ืกืœืข ืงื˜ืŸ ืžืื•ื“
09:48
off a very big hill
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ืžืžืจื•ืžื™ ื’ื‘ืขื” ืงื˜ื ื” ืžืื•ื“
09:50
that turned into an avalanche that I found myself tumbling in the middle of.
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ืฉื”ืคืš ืœืžืคื•ืœืช ืฉืœื’ื™ื ืฉืžืฆืืชื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ื ื•ืคืœ ืœืชื•ื›ื”.
09:54
Because you see, a few hours later, Elon tweeted me back and said
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ื›ื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉืขื•ืช ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ, ืืœื•ืŸ ืฆื™ื™ืฅ ืืœื™ ื—ื–ืจื” ื•ืืžืจ
09:57
that they were deadly serious,
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ืฉื”ื ืจืฆื™ื ื™ื™ื ืขื“ ืžืื•ื“,
09:58
that within a hundred days of contract signing,
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ืฉืชื•ืš 100 ื™ืžื™ื ืžื—ืชื™ืžืช ื—ื•ื–ื”,
10:01
they could install a 100-megawatt-hour facility,
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ื”ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืชืงื™ืŸ ืžืชืงืŸ ืฉืœ 100 ืžื’ื” ื•ืื˜ ืœืฉืขื”,
10:03
which is a giant battery of a world-class size,
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ืฉื–ื• ืกื•ืœืœื” ืขื ืงื™ืช ื‘ืกื“ืจ ื’ื•ื“ืœ ืขื•ืœืžื™,
10:06
one of the biggest ever made on the planet.
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ืื—ืช ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื•ืช ืฉื™ื•ืฆืจื• ื‘ืขื•ืœื ืื™ ืคืขื.
10:08
And that's when all hell really broke loose.
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ื•ืื– ื”ื—ืœ ื”ืกื™ื•ื˜.
10:11
Within 24 hours, I had every major media outlet
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ืชื•ืš 24 ืฉืขื•ืช, ื›ืœ ื›ืœื™ ื”ืชืงืฉื•ืจืช ื”ืžืจื›ื–ื™ื™ื
10:14
texting and emailing and trying to get in contact with me
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ืฉืœื—ื• ืืœื™ ืžื™ืกืจื•ื ื™ื ื•ื“ื•ื"ืœ ื•ื ื™ืกื• ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืืชื™ ืงืฉืจ
10:16
to get opinion as some sort of "expert" in energy.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืืช ื“ืขืชื™ ื›ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ "ืžื•ืžื—ื”" ื‘ืื ืจื’ื™ื”.
10:19
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
10:21
Now, at the time, I couldn't really have told you the difference
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ื‘ื–ืžื ื•, ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ื‘ืืžืช ืœื•ืžืจ ืžื” ื”ื”ื‘ื“ืœ
10:26
between a one-and-a-half-volt AA battery that goes in my kids' toys
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ื‘ื™ืŸ ืกื•ืœืœื” ืฉืœ 1.5 ื•ื•ืœื˜ ืฉื‘ืžืฉื—ืงื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœื™
10:31
and a 100-megawatt-hour industrial-scale battery facility
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ื•ืžืชืงืŸ ืกื•ืœืœื” ื‘ืงื ื” ืžื™ื“ื” ืชืขืฉื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉืœ 100 ืžื’ื•ื•ืื˜-ืฉืขื”
10:34
that goes in South Australia
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ืฉื™ื•ืชืงืŸ ื‘ื“ืจื•ื ืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™ื”
10:36
that could potentially solve their power crisis.
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ื•ืฉื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืคื•ื˜ื ืฆื™ืืœื™ ื™ื•ื›ืœ ืœืคืชื•ืจ ืืช ืžืฉื‘ืจ ื”ืื ืจื’ื™ื” ืฉืœื”ื.
10:38
I was now feeling a chronic case of impostor syndrome,
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ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื›ืžื• ืžืงืจื” ื›ืจื•ื ื™ ืฉืœ ืชืกืžื•ื ืช ื”ืžืชื—ื–ื”.
10:41
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
10:42
and it got truly bizarre.
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ื•ื–ื” ื ืขืฉื” ื‘ืืžืช ืžื•ื–ืจ.
10:44
And I remember thinking to myself,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืœืขืฆืžื™,
10:47
"Shit. I've kind of started something here and I can't really get out.
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"ืœืขื–ืื–ืœ, ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ืืŸ ื•ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืฆืืช ืžื–ื”.
10:51
If I abandon the situation,
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ืื ืื ื˜ื•ืฉ ืืช ื”ืžืฆื‘,
10:54
I'm going to sort of set back renewables in Australia
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ืื ื™ ืขืœื•ืœ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืœืขื›ื‘ ืื ืจื’ื™ื” ืžืชื—ื“ืฉืช ื‘ืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™ื”
10:57
and maybe just look like a complete idiot
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ื•ืื•ืœื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืื™ืจืื” ื›ืžื• ืื™ื“ื™ื•ื˜ ืžื•ืฉืœื
10:59
because of my idiocy on Twitter."
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ื˜ืžื˜ื•ื ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ."
11:02
So I thought the only thing I could do
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ืื– ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช
11:04
was to try not to freeze and to try to learn.
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ื”ื•ื ืœื ืกื•ืช ืœื ืœื”ืชืื‘ืŸ ื•ืœื ืกื•ืช ืœืœืžื•ื“.
11:06
So I spent a week
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ืื– ื‘ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืฉื‘ื•ืข
11:08
trying to learn everything I could about industrial-scale batteries
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ื‘ื ืกื™ื•ืŸ ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืื•ื“ื•ืช ืกื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืงื ื” ืžื™ื“ื” ืชืขืฉื™ื™ืชื™
11:11
and the electricity grid and renewables and the economics of all of this
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ื•ืจืฉืช ื”ื—ืฉืžืœ ื•ืžืงื•ืจื•ืช ืื ืจื’ื™ื” ืžืชื—ื“ืฉื™ื ื•ื”ื›ืœื›ืœื” ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ืืœื”
11:15
and whether this was even a feasible proposal.
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ื•ืื ื–ื• ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ืฆืขื” ืžืขืฉื™ืช.
11:17
I talked to the chief scientist, I talked to the CSIRO,
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ื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื™ ืขื ื”ืžื“ืขืŸ ื”ืจืืฉื™, ืขื ื”-CSIRO,
11:20
had multiple ministers and premiers trying to give me their side of the story
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ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืžืฉืจื™ื ื•ืจืืฉื™ ืžืžืฉืœื” ืืช ื”ืฆื“ ืฉืœื”ื ื‘ืกื™ืคื•ืจ
11:24
from both sides of the aisle.
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ืžืฉื ื™ ืฆื™ื“ื™ ื”ืžืชืจืก.
11:26
I managed to exchange tweets with the prime minister.
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ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœื”ื—ืœื™ืฃ ืฆื™ื•ืฆื™ื ืขื ืจืืฉ ื”ืžืžืฉืœื”.
11:29
I even managed to pull off a passing impression, let's say,
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ืืคื™ืœื• ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœื”ืคื’ื™ืŸ ืจื•ืฉื ื—ื•ืœืฃ,
11:33
of an energy expert on ABC Lateline.
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ืฉืœ ืžื•ืžื—ื” ื‘ืชื—ื•ื ื”ืื ืจื’ื™ื” ื‘- ABC Lateline.
11:35
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
11:37
But as a result of all this,
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ืชื•ืฆืื” ืžื›ืœ ื–ื”,
11:39
South Australia did put out a battery tender,
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ื“ืจื•ื ืื•ืกื˜ืจืœื™ื” ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื” ืžื›ืจื– ืœืกื•ืœืœื”
11:41
and they had more than 90 applications for that battery tender.
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ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœื” ืœืžืขืœื” ืž- 90 ืคื ื™ื•ืช ืœื”ืฉืชืชืฃ ื‘ืžื›ืจื– ืœืกื•ืœืœื”.
11:45
And the national conversation over a period of a few months
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ื•ื”ืฉื™ื— ื”ืœืื•ืžื™ ื‘ืžืฉืš ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื
11:49
moved from the sort of theatrical lumps of coal in the parliament
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ืขื‘ืจ ืžื“ื™ื•ืŸ ืชื™ืื˜ืจืœื™ ื—ืกืจ ืขืจืš ื‘ืคืจืœืžื ื˜
11:52
to discussing kind of which industrial-scale battery chemistry
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ืœื“ื™ื•ืŸ ื‘ืฉืืœื” ืื™ื–ื” ืกื•ื’ ื›ื™ืžื™ื” ืฉืœ ืกื•ืœืœื” ื‘ืงื ื” ืžื™ื“ื” ืชืขืฉื™ื™ืชื™
11:56
was the best for building large-scale renewable batteries.
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ื”ื•ื ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœื™ื™ืฆื•ืจ ืกื•ืœืœื•ืช ืžืชื—ื“ืฉื•ืช ื‘ืงื ื” ืžื™ื“ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ.
11:59
So I think that the important lesson is by that time in my life,
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ืื– ืœื“ืขืชื™ ื”ืœืงื— ื”ื›ื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื”ื•ื ืฉื‘ืื•ืชื” ืชืงื•ืคื” ื‘ื—ื™ื™,
12:02
I knew well that I was an impostor.
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ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ื”ื™ื˜ื‘ ืฉืื ื™ ืžืชื—ื–ื”.
12:04
I knew I was miles out of my depth.
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ืฉืื ื™ ื ืžืฆื ื‘ืžืจื—ืง ืง"ืž ืื—ื“ื™ื ืžื’ื‘ื•ืœื•ืช ื”ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืฉืœื™.
12:07
But instead of freezing, I tried to learn as much as I could,
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœื”ืชืื‘ืŸ, ื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื›ื›ืœ ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™,
12:10
motivated by my fear of generally looking like an idiot,
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ืžื•ื ืข ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื”ืคื—ื“ ืฉืื™ืจืื” ื›ืžื• ืžื˜ื•ืžื˜ื,
12:13
and tried to turn that into some sort of a force for good.
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ื•ื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืœื”ืคื•ืš ืืช ื–ื” ืœืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ื›ื•ื— ืžื•ืขื™ืœ.
12:18
So one of the things I've learned
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ืื‘ืœ ืื—ื“ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœืžื“ืชื™
12:20
is that people think successful people don't feel like frauds.
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ื”ื•ื ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืฉื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื ืžืฆืœื™ื—ื™ื ืœื ื—ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื• ืžืชื—ื–ื™ื.
12:25
But I think, especially knowing a lot of entrepreneurs,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘, ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื–ืžื™ื,
12:28
the opposite is more likely to be true.
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ืฉืกื‘ื™ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื”ื”ืคืš ื”ื•ื ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
12:31
But the most successful people I know don't question themselves,
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื›ื™ ืžืฆืœื™ื—ื™ื ืฉืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจ ืœื ืžื˜ื™ืœื™ื ืกืคืง ื‘ืขืฆืžื,
12:36
but they do heavily question, regularly question, their ideas
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืชืžื™ื“ ืžื˜ื™ืœื™ื ืกืคืง ืจื‘ ื‘ืจืขื™ื•ื ื•ืชื™ื”ื
12:40
and their knowledge.
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ื•ื‘ื™ื“ืข ืฉืœื”ื.
12:41
They know when the water is way too deep,
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ื”ื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืžืชื™ ื”ืžื™ื ืขืžื•ืงื™ื ืžื“ื™,
12:45
and they're not afraid to ask for advice.
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ื•ืื™ื ื ื—ื•ืฉืฉื™ื ืœื‘ืงืฉ ืขืฆื”.
12:47
They don't see that as a bad thing.
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ื”ื ืœื ืจื•ืื™ื ื‘ื–ื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืจืข.
12:48
And they use that advice to hone those ideas, to improve them
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ื•ื”ื ืžืฉืชืžืฉื™ื ื‘ืขืฆื” ื”ื–ื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื—ื“ื“ ืืช ื”ืจืขื™ื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื”, ืœืฉืคืจ ืื•ืชื
12:52
and to learn.
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ื•ืœืœืžื•ื“.
12:53
And it's OK to be out of your depth sometimes.
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ื•ื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื’ื‘ื•ืœื•ืช ื”ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืœืคืขืžื™ื.
12:56
I'm frequently out of my depth.
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ืื ื™ ื ืžืฆื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื‘ืžืฆื‘ ื”ื–ื”.
12:57
It's OK to be out of your depth.
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ื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื’ื‘ื•ืœื•ืช ืฉืœื›ื.
12:59
It's OK to be in a situation where you just can't push the eject button,
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ื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืžืฆื‘ ืฉื‘ื• ืื™ื ื›ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืœื—ื•ืฅ ืขืœ ื›ืคืชื•ืจ ื”ืžืคืœื˜,
13:03
so long as you don't freeze,
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ื›ืœ ืขื•ื“ ืื™ื ื›ื ืžืชืื‘ื ื™ื,
13:05
so long as you harness the situation, don't be paralyzed
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ื›ืœ ืขื•ื“ ืืชื ืื•ื—ื–ื™ื ื‘ืจื™ืชืžืช ื”ืžืฆื‘, ืืœ ืชื”ื™ื• ืžืฉื•ืชืงื™ื
13:08
and try to turn it into some sort of a force for good.
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ื•ื ืกื• ืœื”ืคื•ืš ืื•ืชื• ืœื›ื•ื— ืฉืคื•ืขืœ ืœื˜ื•ื‘ื”.
13:11
And it's important that I say "harness" here,
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ื•ื–ื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืฉืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจ ื›ืืŸ ืขืœ "ืจื™ืชืžื”,"
13:13
because this isn't sort of pop-psychology BS
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ื›ื™ ื–ื” ืœื ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื” ื‘ื’ืจื•ืฉ
13:16
about conquering impostor syndrome for me.
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ืœื”ื›ื ืขืช ืชืกืžื•ื ืช ื”ืžืชื—ื–ื” ืฉืœื™.
13:18
It's merely about being aware of it.
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ื–ื” ืจืง ืขืœ ื”ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื•ื“ืข ืœื–ื”,
13:20
In fact, I'm extremely aware of feeling like an impostor right now,
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ืœืžืขืฉื”, ืื ื™ ืžื•ื“ืข ืžืื•ื“ ืœืชื—ื•ืฉืช ื”ืžืชื—ื–ื” ืžืžืฉ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•,
13:24
as I'm up here, some sort of pseudo-expert
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ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื›ืืŸ ืœืžืขืœื” ื›ืžืขื™ืŸ ืžื•ืžื—ื” ืžื“ื•ืžื”
13:27
on a feeling that I couldn't even put a name to a few months ago,
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ื‘ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ืฉืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื›ื ื•ืช ื‘ืฉื ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื,
13:30
when I agreed to do this talk.
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ื›ืฉื”ืกื›ืžืชื™ ืœื”ืขื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื—ื” ื”ื–ื•.
13:32
Which, if you think about it, is kind of the point, isn't it?
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ื•ืื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
13:36
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
13:37
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื”.
13:38
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ืI
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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