How Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google manipulate our emotions | Scott Galloway

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2017-12-12 ・ TED


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How Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google manipulate our emotions | Scott Galloway

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[This talk contains graphic language Viewer discretion is advised]
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So, this is the first and the last slide
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each of my 6,400 students over the last 15 years has seen.
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I do not believe you can build a multibillion-dollar organization
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unless you are clear on which instinct or organ you are targeting.
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Our species has a need for a superbeing.
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Our competitive advantage as a species is our brain.
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Our brain is robust enough to ask these really difficult questions,
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but, unfortunately, it doesn't have the processing power to answer them,
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which creates a need for a superbeing
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that we can pray to and look to for answers.
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What is prayer?
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Sending a query into the universe,
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and hopefully there's some sort of divine intervention --
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we don't need to understand what's going on --
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from an all-knowing, all-seeing superbeing
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that gives us authority that this is the right answer.
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"Will my kid be all right?"
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You have your planet of stuff,
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you have your planet of work,
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you have your planet of friends.
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If you have kids,
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you know that once something comes off the rails with your kids,
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everything melts,
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in your universe to the Sun that is your kids.
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"Will my kid be all right?"
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"Symptoms and treatment of croup" in the Google query box.
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One in six queries presented to Google have never been asked before
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in the history of mankind.
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What priest, teacher, rabbi, scholar, mentor, boss has so much credibility
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that one in six questions posed to that person
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have never been asked before?
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Google is our modern man's God.
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Imagine your face and your name above everything you've put into that box,
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and you're going to realize you trust Google more than any entity
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in your history.
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(Laughter)
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Let's move further down the torso.
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(Laughter)
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One of the other wonderful things about our species
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is we not only need to be loved, but we need to love others.
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Children with poor nutrition but a lot of affection
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have better outcomes than children with good nutrition and poor affection.
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However, the best signal that you might make it
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to be part of the number-one fastest growing demographic in the world --
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centenarians, people who live to triple digits --
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there are three signals.
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In reverse order: your genetics -- not as important as you'd like to think,
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so you can continue to treat your body like shit
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and think, "Oh, Uncle Joe lived to 95,
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the die have been cast."
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It's less important than you think.
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Number two is lifestyle.
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Don't smoke, don't be obese, and prescreen --
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get rid of about two-thirds of early cancers
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and cardiovascular disease.
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The number one indicator or signal that you'll make it to triple digits:
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How many people do you love?
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Caretaking is the security camera --
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we call the low-resolution security camera in our brain --
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deciding whether or not you are adding value.
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Facebook taps into our instinctive need not only to be loved,
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but to love others,
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mostly through pictures that create empathy,
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catalyze and reinforce our relationships.
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Let's continue our journey down the torso.
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Amazon is our consumptive gut.
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The instinct of more is hardwired into us.
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The penalty for too little is starvation and malnutrition.
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Open your cupboards, open your closets,
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you have 10 to 100x times what you need.
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Why?
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Because the penalty for too little is much greater
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than the penalty for too much.
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So "more for less" is a business strategy that never goes out of style.
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It's the strategy of China,
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it's a the strategy of Walmart,
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and now it's the strategy of the most successful company in the world,
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Amazon.
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You get more for less into your gut;
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digest, send it to your muscular and skeletal system of consumption.
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Moving further,
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once we know we will survive, the basic instinct,
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we move to the second most powerful instinct,
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and that is to spread and select the strongest, smartest and fastest seed
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to the four corners of the earth,
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or pick the best seed.
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This is not a timepiece.
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I haven't wound it in five years.
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It's my vain attempt to say to people,
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"If you mate with me, your children are more likely to survive
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than if you mate with someone wearing a Swatch watch."
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(Laughter)
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The key to business is tapping into the irrational organs.
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"Irrational" is Harvard Business School's and New York Business School's term
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for fat profit margins and shareholder value.
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"High-caloric paste for your children."
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No?
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You love your choosy mom.
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Why choosy moms choose Jif: you love your kids more.
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The greatest algorithm for shareholder creation from World War II
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to the advent of Google
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was taking an average product and appealing to people's hearts.
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You're a better a mom, a better person, a better patriot
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if you buy this average soap versus this average soap.
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Now, the number one algorithm for shareholder value isn't technology.
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Look at the Forbes 400.
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Take out inherited wealth, take out finance.
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The number one source of wealth creation:
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appealing to your reproductive organs.
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The Lauders; the number one wealthiest man in Europe, LVMH.
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Numbers two and three: H&M and Inditex.
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You want to target the most irrational organs for shareholder value.
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As a result, these four companies -- Apple, Amazon, Facebook and Google --
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have disarticulated who we are.
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God, love, consumption, sex.
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The proportion in your approach to those things is who you are,
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and they have reassembled who we are in the form of for-profit companies.
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At the end of the Great Recession,
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the market capitalization of these companies was equivalent
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to the GDP of Niger.
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Now it is equivalent to the GDP of India,
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having blown past Russia and Canada in '13 and '14.
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There are only five nations
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that have a GDP greater than the combined market capitalization
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of these four firms.
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Something is happening, though.
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The conversation just a year ago was, which CEO was more Jesus-like?
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Who was running for president?
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Now the worm has turned.
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Everything they're doing is bothering us.
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We're worried they're tax avoiders.
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Walmart, since the Great Recession, has paid 64 billion dollars
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in corporate income tax;
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Amazon has paid 1.4.
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How do we pay our firefighters, our soldiers and our social workers
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if the most successful companies in the world don't pay their fair share?
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Pretty easy.
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That means the less successful companies have to pay
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more than their fair share.
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Alexa, is this a good thing?
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This is despite that fact --
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(Laughter)
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This is despite the fact
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that Amazon has added the entire market capitalization of Walmart
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to its market cap in the last 19 months.
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Whose fault is it? It's our fault.
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We're electing regulators who don't have the backbone
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to actually go after these companies.
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Facebook lies to EU regulators
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and says, "It would be impossible for us to share the data
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between our core platform and our proposed acquisition of WhatsApp.
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Approve the merger."
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They approve the merger and then -- spoiler alert! -- they figure it out.
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And the EU says, "I feel lied to.
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We're fining you 120 [million] dollars,"
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about .6 percent of the acquisition price of 19 billion dollars.
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If Mark Zuckerberg could take out an insurance policy
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that the acquisition would go through for .6 percent,
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wouldn't he do it?
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Anticompetitive behavior.
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A two-and-a-half-billion-dollar fine,
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three billion of the cash flow,
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three percent of the cash on Google's balance sheet.
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We are telling these companies, "The smart thing to do,
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the shareholder-driven thing to do,
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is to lie and to cheat."
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We are issuing 25-cent parking tickets
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on a meter that costs 100 dollars an hour.
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The smart thing to do is lie.
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Job destruction!
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Amazon only needs one person for two at Macy's.
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If they grow their business 20 billion dollars this year, which they will,
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we will lose 53,000 cashiers and clerks.
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This is nothing unusual;
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this has happened all through our economy,
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we've just never seen companies this good at it.
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That's one Yankee Stadium of workers.
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It's even worse in media.
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If Facebook and Google grow their businesses
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22 billion dollars this year, which they will,
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we're going to lose approximately 150,000 creative directors,
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planners and copywriters.
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Or we can fill up two-and-a-half Yankee Stadiums
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and say, "You are out of work, courtesy of Amazon."
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We now get the majority of our news from our social media feeds,
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and the majority of our news coming off of social media feeds is ...
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fake news.
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(Laughter)
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I am not allowed to be political or use curse words,
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or talk about religion in class,
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so I can definitely not say,
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"Zuckerberg has become Putin's bitch."
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I definitely cannot say that.
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(Laughter)
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Their defense:
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"Facebook is not a media company; it's a technology company."
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You create original content,
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you pay sports leagues to give you original content,
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you run advertising against it -- boom! -- you're a media company.
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Just in the last few days,
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Sheryl Sandberg has repeated this lie, that "We are not a media company."
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Facebook has openly embraced the margins of celebrity
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and the influence of a media company
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yet seems to be allergic to the responsibilities
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of a media company.
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Imagine McDonald's.
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We find 80 percent of their beef is fake,
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and it's giving us encephalitis,
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and we're making terrible decisions.
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And we say, "McDonald's, we're pissed off!"
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And they say, "Wait, wait --
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we're not a fast-food restaurant,
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we're a fast-food platform."
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(Laughter)
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These companies and CEOs wrap themselves
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in a neon-blue pink rainbow and blue blanket
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to create an illusionist trick from their behavior each day,
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which is more indicative of the spawn of Darth Vader and Ayn Rand.
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Why? Because we as progressives are seen as nice but weak.
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If Sheryl Sandberg had written a book on gun rights
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or on the pro-life movement,
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would they be flying Sheryl to Cannes?
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No.
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And I'm not doubting their progressive values,
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but it foots to shareholder value,
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because we as progressives are seen as weak.
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They're so nice -- remember Microsoft?
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They didn't seem as nice,
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and regulators stepped in much earlier than the regulators now,
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who would never step in on those nice, nice people.
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I'm about to get on a plane tonight,
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and I'm going to have a guy named Roy from TSA molest me.
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If I am suspected of a DUI on the way home,
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I can have blood taken from my person.
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But wait! Don't tap into the iPhone --
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it's sacred.
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This is our new cross.
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It shouldn't be the iPhone X,
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it should be called the "iPhone Cross."
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We have our religion; it's Apple.
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Our Jesus Christ is Steve Jobs,
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and we've decided this is holier than our person, our house
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or our computer.
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We have become totally out of control
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with the gross idolatry of innovation and of youth.
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We no longer worship at the altar of character,
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of kindness,
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but of innovation and people who create shareholder value.
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Amazon has become so powerful in the marketplace,
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it can conduct Jedi mind tricks.
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It can begin damaging other industries just by looking at them.
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Nike announces they're distributing on Amazon, their stock goes up,
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every other footwear stock goes down.
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When Amazon stock goes up, the rest of retail stocks go down,
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because they assume what's good for Amazon is bad for everybody else.
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They cut the cost on salmon 33 percent when they acquired Whole Foods.
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In between the time they announced the acquisition of Whole Foods
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and when it closed,
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Kroger, the largest pure-play grocer in America,
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shed a third of its value,
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because Amazon purchased a grocer one-eleventh the size of Kroger.
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I got very lucky.
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I predicted the acquisition of Whole Foods by Amazon
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the week before it happened.
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This is me boasting; I said this publicly in the media.
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This was the largest acquisition in their history,
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they'd never made an acquisition over a billion,
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and people asked, "How did you know this?"
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So I'm letting this very impressive audience in on the secret.
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How did I know this?
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I'm going to tell you how I knew.
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I bark at Alexa all day long
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and try to figure out what's going on.
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(Scott Galloway) Alexa, buy whole milk.
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(Alexa) I couldn't find anything for whole milk,
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so I've added whole milk to your shopping list.
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SG: Then I asked,
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(SG) Alexa, buy organic foods.
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(Alexa) The top search result for organic food
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is Plum Organics baby food, banana and pumpkin,
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12-pack of four ounces each.
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It's 15 dollars total.
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Would you like to buy it?
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SG: And then, as often happens at my age,
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I got confused.
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(SG) Alexa, buy whole foods.
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(Alexa) I have purchased the outstanding stock of Whole Foods Incorporated
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at 42 dollars per share.
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I have charged 13.7 billion to your American Express card.
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(Laughter)
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SG: I thought that'd be funnier.
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(Laughter)
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We've personified these companies,
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and just as when you're really angry over every little thing someone does
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in your life and relationships,
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you've got to ask yourself,
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"What's going on here? Why are we so disappointed in technology?"
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I believe it's because the ratio of one-percent pursuit
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of shareholder value
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and 99 percent the betterment of humanity
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that technology used to play
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has been flipped,
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and now we're totally focused on shareholder value instead of humanity.
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One hundred thousand people came together for the Manhattan Project
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and literally saved the world.
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Technology saved the world.
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My mother was a four-year-old Jew living in London at the outset of the war.
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If we had not won the footrace towards splitting the atom,
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would she have survived?
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It's unlikely.
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Twenty-five years later,
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the most impressive accomplishment, arguably, ever in all of humankind:
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put a man on the moon.
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Four hundred thirty thousand Canadians, British and Americans came together,
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again, with very basic technology,
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and put a man on the moon.
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Now we have the 700,000 best and brightest,
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and these are the best and brightest from the four corners of the earth.
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They are literally playing with lasers relative to slingshots,
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relative to the squirt gun.
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They have the GDP of India to work at.
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And after studying these companies for 10 years,
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I know what their mission is.
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Is it to organize the world's information?
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Is it to connect us?
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Is it to create greater comity of man?
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It isn't.
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I know why we have brought together --
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I know that the greatest collection of IQ capital and creativity,
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that their sole mission is:
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to sell another fucking Nissan.
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My name is Scott Galloway, I teach at NYU, and I appreciate your time.
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(Applause)
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Chris Anderson: Not planned,
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but you prompted some questions in me, Scott.
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(Laughter)
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That was a spectacular rant.
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SG: Is this like Letterman?
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When you do well, he calls you onto the couch?
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CA: No, no, you're going to the heart of the conversation right now.
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Everyone's aware that after years of worshipping Silicon Valley,
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suddenly the worm has turned
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and in such a big way.
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To some people here, it will just feel like you're piling on,
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you're kicking the kids who've already been kicked to pieces anyway.
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Don't you feel any empathy for them at all?
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SG: None whatsoever.
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Look, this is the issue:
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it's not their fault, it's our fault.
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They're for-profit companies.
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They're not concerned with the condition of our souls.
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They're not going to take care of us when we get older.
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We have set up a society that values shareholder value over everything,
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and they're doing what they're supposed to be doing.
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But we need to elect people,
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and we need to force ourselves to force them
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to be subject to the same scrutiny
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that the rest of business endures, full stop.
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CA: There's another narrative
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that is arguably equally consistent with the facts,
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which is that there actually is good intent in much of the leadership --
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I won't say everyone, necessarily --
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many of the employees.
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We all know people who work in those companies,
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and they still are pretty convincing that their mission is to --
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so, the alternative narrative is that there have been
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unintended consequences here,
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that the technologies that we're unleashing,
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the algorithms, that we're attempting to personalize the internet, for example,
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have A, resulted in weird effects like filter bubbles
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that we weren't expecting;
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and B, made themselves vulnerable to weird things like --
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oh, I don't know, Russian hackers creating accounts
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and doing things that we didn't expect.
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Isn't the unintended consequence a possibility here?
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SG: I don't think --
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I'm pretty sure, statistically,
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they're no less or better people than any other organization
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that has 100,000 or more people.
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I don't think they're bad people.
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As a matter of fact, I would argue
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that there's a lot of very civic-minded, decent leadership.
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But this is the issue:
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when you control 90 percent points of share in a market, search,
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that is now bigger than the entire advertising market of any nation,
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and you're primarily compensated and trying to develop economic security
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for you and the families of your employees,
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to increase that market share,
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you can't help but leverage all the power at your disposal.
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And that is the basis for regulation,
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and it's the basis for the truism throughout history
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that power corrupts.
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They're not bad people;
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we've just let them get out of control.
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CA: So maybe the case is slightly overstated?
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I know at least a bit --
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Larry Page, for example, Jeff Bezos --
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I don't actually believe they wake up thinking,
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"I've got to sell a fucking Nissan."
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I don't think they think that.
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I think they are trying to build something cool, and are probably,
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in moments of reflection,
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as horrified that some of the things that have happened as we might be.
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So is there a different way of framing this,
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to say that when your model is advertising,
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that there are dangers there that you have to take on more explicitly?
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SG: I think it's very difficult to set an organization up as we do,
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to pursue shareholder value above all else.
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They're not non-profits.
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The reason people go to work there is they want to create economic security
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for them and their families,
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mostly first and foremost.
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And when you get to a point where you control so much economic power,
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you use all the weapons at your disposal.
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I don't think they're bad people,
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but I think the role of government and the role of us as consumers
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and people who elect our officials
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is to ensure that there are some checks here.
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And we have given them the mother of all hall passes
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because we find them just so fascinating.
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CA: Scott, eloquently put, spectacularly put.
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Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Larry Page, Tim Cook, if you're watching,
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you're welcome to come and make the counterargument as well.
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Scott, thank you so much.
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SG: Thanks very much.
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(Applause)
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