Native English Conversation with Lindsay (All Ears English): Remote work

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English Like A Native


ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚

00:00
Hello, and welcome to The English Like a Native Podcast, the listening
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚ ไธญ็ดšใ‹ใ‚‰ไธŠ็ดšใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ๅ‘ใ‘ใฎ
00:04
resource for intermediate to advanced-level English learners.
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ใƒชใ‚นใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐ ใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใงใ‚ใ‚‹ The English Like a Native Podcast ใธใ‚ˆใ†ใ“ใ
00:08
My name is Anna and today we are joined by a very special guest.
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ใ€‚ ็งใฎๅๅ‰ใฏใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใงใ™ใ€‚ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ็‰นๅˆฅใชใ‚ฒใ‚นใƒˆใŒๆฅใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
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We have Lindsay McMahon, who is the co-host of All Ears English.
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All Ears English ใฎๅ…ฑๅŒๅธไผš่€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใƒชใƒณใ‚ธใƒผใƒปใƒžใ‚ฏใƒžใƒ›ใƒณใŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:20
Now, the All Ears English Podcast is downloaded 4 million times per month
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็พๅœจใ€All Ears English Podcast ใฏๆœˆ้–“ 400 ไธ‡ๅ›žใƒ€ใ‚ฆใƒณใƒญใƒผใƒ‰ใ•ใ‚ŒใฆใŠใ‚Š
00:26
and has been ranked in the Best of Apple Podcasts categories in 2018 and 2019.
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ใ€2018 ๅนดใจ 2019 ๅนดใซใฏ Best of Apple Podcasts ใ‚ซใƒ†ใ‚ดใƒชใซใƒฉใƒณใ‚ฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:33
As well as number one in the U.
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ใพใŸใ€็ฑณๅ›ฝใฎๆ•™่‚ฒ่จ€่ชžใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใงใ‚‚็ฌฌ 1 ไฝใซใƒฉใƒณใ‚ฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„
00:36
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00:36
Education Language Courses.
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ใพใ™ ใ€‚
00:38
Lindsay and her team provide courses and podcasts on IELTS, Business
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ใƒชใƒณใ‚ธใƒผใจๅฝผๅฅณใฎใƒใƒผใƒ ใฏใ€ๅฎŒ็’งใงใฏใชใใคใชใŒใ‚Šใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใใ€IELTSใ€ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚น
00:44
English and English fluency with a focus on connection, not perfection.
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่‹ฑ่ชžใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๆตๆšขใ•ใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใจใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’ๆไพ›ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:50
Hi, Lindsay.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใƒชใƒณใ‚ธใƒผใ€‚
00:51
Thank you for joining us.
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ใ”ๅ‚ๅŠ ใ„ใŸใ ใใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:53
Hello, Anna.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€‚
00:54
Thanks for having me on your show.
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็•ช็ต„ใซๅ‡บๆผ”ใ•ใ›ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
00:55
I'm excited to be here.
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ใ“ใ“ใซๆฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใฆ่ˆˆๅฅฎใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:57
I'm really excited to have you with us once again, cause you joined me,
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ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆใ”ไธ€็ท’ใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็งใซๅŠ ใ‚ใฃใŸใฎใฏ
01:01
it must've been over a year ago now.
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ใ‚‚ใ† 1 ๅนดไปฅไธŠๅ‰ใฎใ“ใจใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
01:03
Yeah, it must've been 2022 or 2021.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€2022ๅนดใ‹2021ๅนดใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
01:05
We talked about breakfast foods in the UK and the US, I believe.
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ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใจใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎๆœ้ฃŸใฎ้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
01:09
We did.
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ใใ†ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:10
It's always interesting to look at the differences between British and American
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ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใจใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎ็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚„่จ€่‘‰ใฎ้•ใ„ใซๆณจ็›ฎใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™
01:16
things and words because we're so similar and yet so different in many ways.
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ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰็งใŸใกใฏ้žๅธธใซไผผใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใซใ€ๅคšใใฎ็‚นใง็•ฐใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:21
Absolutely.
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็ตถๅฏพใซใ€‚
01:23
But today we're going to talk about something that affects people globally,
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅ็งใŸใกใฏไธ–็•Œไธญใฎไบบใ€…ใซๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
01:26
and it's basically remote working because the pandemic, which hit all of us, was
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ใใ‚ŒใฏๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใงใ™ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใŸใกๅ…จๅ“กใ‚’่ฅฒใฃใŸใƒ‘ใƒณใƒ‡ใƒŸใƒƒใ‚ฏใฏใ€
01:32
responsible for many changes to the way in which we live our lives, most notably,
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01:39
the rise in popularity of remote working.
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01:43
Yes.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚
01:44
During lockdown, businesses had no choice but to adapt to that physical distancing
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01:49
of its workforce, with everyone, including the technophobes, having to get up to
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01:55
speed with the latest technology in order to function professionally from home.
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่‡ชๅฎ…ใ‹ใ‚‰ใƒ—ใƒญใƒ•ใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒŠใƒซใจใ—ใฆไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๆœ€ๆ–ฐใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒŽใƒญใ‚ธใƒผใซ่ฟฝใ„ใคใๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:01
So, Lindsay, what is your current work situation and have you been impacted by
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02:07
this shift towards working from home?
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ใ€ๅœจๅฎ…ๅ‹คๅ‹™ใธใฎ็งป่กŒ ใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹ๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹
02:10
Well, yeah, to be honest, I have not been super impacted because we were
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? ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใ†ใจใ€็งใŸใกใฏ
02:14
a pre-pandemic, online business.
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ใƒ‘ใƒณใƒ‡ใƒŸใƒƒใ‚ฏไปฅๅ‰ใฎใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใ ใฃใŸใŸใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใปใฉๅคงใใชๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใฏๅ—ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
02:17
All Ears English was born on the Internet.
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All Ears English ใฏใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆไธŠใง่ช•็”Ÿใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:19
All Ears English was born as a podcast, in fact, and our website and
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€All Ears English ใฏใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใจใ—ใฆ่ช•็”Ÿใ—ใ€็งใŸใกใฎใ‚ฆใ‚งใƒ–ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใจ
02:23
our courses business grew around it.
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ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚น ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ไธญๅฟƒใซๆˆ้•ทใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:26
And so, from the start, we created All Ears English just in Boston.
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02:31
At the time, my co-host, my original co-host was physically in Boston.
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ๅฝ“ๆ™‚ใ€็งใฎๅ…ฑๅŒใƒ›ใ‚นใƒˆใ€ใคใพใ‚Šๆœ€ๅˆใฎๅ…ฑๅŒใƒ›ใ‚นใƒˆใฏ็‰ฉ็†็š„ใซใƒœใ‚นใƒˆใƒณใซใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:35
So, yeah, we did come together to record episodes.
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02:39
But after a year, I had had two or three of my current co-hosts join me from
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ใ—ใ‹ใ— 1 ๅนดๅพŒใ€็พๅœจใฎๅ…ฑๅŒใƒ›ใ‚นใƒˆใฎใ†ใก 2 ไบบใพใŸใฏ 3 ไบบใŒ
02:45
remote locations, Portland, Oregon, Jessica's in Portland, Michelle's in
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้ ้š”ๅœฐใ€ใ‚ชใƒฌใ‚ดใƒณๅทžใƒใƒผใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใƒ‰ใ€ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ทใ‚ซใ•ใ‚“ใฏใƒใƒผใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใƒ‰ใ€ใƒŸใ‚ทใ‚งใƒซใ•ใ‚“ใฏ
02:49
New York and Aubrey is in Arizona.
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02:51
So, we've always been online.
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02:53
The only difference is that as a recruiting tactic, if we want to
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02:56
have new members of our team join, it's a little less flashy, that we
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03:01
are an online business, that we're a location independent business, right?
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ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซไพๅญ˜ใ—ใชใ„ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
03:04
It's not an edge anymore.
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03:06
It's expected now to have that flexibility.
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ไปŠใงใฏใใฎๆŸ”่ปŸๆ€งใŒๆœŸๅพ…ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:09
So, we've lost that.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅคฑใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:11
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
03:12
I found, although I did work on the internet beforehand, there
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03:16
were a couple of my businesses that folded because of the pandemic.
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03:21
Really?
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03:22
So, two of my channels were very much dependent on the team coming
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03:27
together and working in the same space.
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03:29
Hmm.
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03:30
So the pandemic was responsible for English Like a Native pretty
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03:34
much becoming my sole focus really.
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03:37
Yeah.
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03:37
sometimes it's good to have one sole focus.
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03:40
It can be hard to be very stretched across multiple projects and businesses.
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03:44
My partner on the other hand, worked very much in a corporate, nine-to-five,
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03:50
London-based job, Monday to Friday.
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03:54
But when I say nine-to-five, you're following what I mean with that.
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03:58
Oh, of course.
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03:59
Yes.
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03:59
Yeah.
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04:00
So, nine-to-five, for the listeners is, just that kind of
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04:03
standard start and finish time.
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04:05
You start at 9am, you finish at 5pm, which in the past was the norm.
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04:11
Most people worked from Monday to Friday, nine-to-five.
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04:14
Yes.
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04:15
These days it's very different, especially with the rise of remote working.
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04:19
It's really changing.
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04:20
Yeah.
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04:21
Yeah.
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04:21
People have really flexible hours.
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04:22
What kind of hours do you work, Lindsay?
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04:25
I work.
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04:26
It feels like I work about eight to six.
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04:28
Yeah.
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04:28
I feel like I've taken the nine-to-five and expanded it.
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04:32
I work a lot, Anna.
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04:33
I do.
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04:33
But I love what I do.
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04:34
You know, I feel inspired.
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04:36
I feel inspired getting on the podcast.
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04:38
I feel inspired as a leader of All Ears English, you know, helping my
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04:42
team grow, growing the business.
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04:44
So, I enjoy the work, but I do sometimes go and grab like a yoga
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04:48
class or I try to in the middle of the day and I can do that, of course.
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04:52
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's one of the benefits of remote working is that you can be a
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04:56
little bit more flexible with your, with your time and decide when is more
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05:01
appropriate for you to be working.
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05:04
And, does that allow you to do something more interesting or
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05:07
beneficial to your personal life?
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05:09
A hundred percent.
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05:09
Like picking the children up from school or taking a yoga class?
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05:12
I think even just taking a walk, I feel like in the old school way of
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05:15
doing things, the nine-to-five, right?
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05:17
People were going into work in the building.
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05:20
Even if you wanted to probably go for a walk, I feel that might have been strange.
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05:25
I really didn't participate in that world, to be honest.
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05:28
You know, I had part time jobs when I lived in New York.
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05:31
I taught at English schools.
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05:32
I taught tennis for a while.
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05:34
I never had a traditional nine-to-five in the corporate world.
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05:37
So, I'm not sure.
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05:38
But it seems to me just leaving to go for a walk through the
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05:40
park might have been strange.
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05:43
Yeah.
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05:44
Yeah.
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05:44
And you really have to just go with what's accepted in that particular
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05:48
workplace or what's allowed.
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05:50
. Yes.
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05:51
Yes.
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I've done a number of different jobs and some of them have been very restrictive.
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05:56
Like when I worked in a factory back when I was a teenager and that was like
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06:00
probably the worst work I've ever done in a dark factory on a production line where
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06:04
you are literally working to a clock.
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06:06
Wow.
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06:06
That would buzz when it hit the time when you're allowed to go for
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ใ€‚ ใŠใŠใ€‚ ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ—ใŸไผ‘ๆ†ฉ ใŒ่จฑใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๆ™‚้–“ใซใชใ‚‹ใจใƒ–ใƒผใƒณใจ้ณดใ‚Š
06:09
a quick break and buzz when you had to be back on the production line.
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06:13
It was very, very oppressive work.
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06:16
That is super intense.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่ถ…ๅผท็ƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
06:19
Wow.
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06:19
Yeah.
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06:20
But one of the things, for my partner particularly that made a big
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06:24
difference when he started working from home was the lack of the commute.
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06:29
That made a big difference to his life because before he would have to be in the
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06:33
office at eight o'clock in the morning.
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06:34
So, he was leaving before the children were even awake, and then he'd finish
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06:39
at 5:30, 6 o'clock, and he would have this long commute home, it would take
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06:44
over an hour, and so the children were then in bed when he arrived back.
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06:48
So, sometimes he would go a whole week without seeing his kids.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ๆ™‚ใซใฏไธธไธ€้€ฑ้–“ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใซไผšใ‚ใšใซ้Žใ”ใ™ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
06:51
Really?
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ๏ผŸ
06:52
Yeah.
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06:53
For him, that was really hard because at the weekends, then the
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06:55
children were like, who are you?
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ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใŒใ€Œใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่ชฐ๏ผŸใ€ใฃใฆ่จ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:58
It really impacted his bond with the kids.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅญไพ›ใŸใกใจใฎ็ต†ใซๅคงใใชๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ‚’ไธŽใˆใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:01
And so now, working from home, which has continued, he's managed to build this
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ใใ—ใฆไปŠใ€ๅœจๅฎ…ๅ‹คๅ‹™ใŒ็ถšใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅฝผใฏ
07:07
really strong bond with his children.
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ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใจๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅผทใ„็ต†ใ‚’็ฏ‰ใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:09
He doesn't have to waste two, three hours of his day just
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07:13
sitting on a busy tube and train.
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ใ€‚ใใ†ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒไบบใ€…ใŒ
07:15
Yeah, and I think that's the reason I think it's the bonds that people
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07:18
were able to build with their family.
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็ต†ใ ใจๆ€ใ†็†็”ฑใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
07:20
That's the reason that honestly, there's no going back.
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ใ€‚ ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ“ใใ€ๆญฃ็›ดใ‚‚ใ†ๅพŒๆˆปใ‚Šใฏใงใใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
07:22
Absolutely.
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07:23
I think the working world will never look the same.
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07:26
There'll be different versions and we'll talk today, I'm sure, about
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ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใƒใƒผใ‚ธใƒงใƒณใŒๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ
07:28
hybrid work and different variations of that, but it'll never look the same.
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07:32
And I think people didn't quite realise that when the pandemic kind of came
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07:36
down, we thought I will be home for a week, we'll be home for two weeks.
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07:40
No.
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07:40
Mm-hmm.
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07:41
Total change, yeah.
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07:42
It really changed the face of everything.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ™ในใฆใฎๆง˜ๅญใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:44
Like, London started to change, office buildings started closing down when
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07:49
businesses realised, actually, we don't have to be paying a fortune to
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07:54
cover the costs of office space when actually we can be almost just as
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07:57
productive with our workforce at home and doing like occasional on-site work.
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08:03
Yes.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใƒใ‚คใƒ–ใƒชใƒƒใƒ‰ใซใคใ„ใฆ่จ€ๅŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
08:04
So, you mentioned hybrids.
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08:05
Can you explain that phrase?
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08:07
So, the concept of hybrid is what a lot of workplaces are adopting now, which
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08:11
means it's any mix of going into the work.
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08:14
Generally, what I see is, you know, two or three times a week in the
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08:17
office and then working at home for the remainder of the week.
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ใ€้€ฑใฎๆฎ‹ใ‚Šใฏ่‡ชๅฎ…ใงไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
08:21
And I think, this works out great because you do miss something when
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100% ใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใงใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใซใ„ใ‚‹
08:24
you're a hundred percent remote online.
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08:26
I, you know, I feel like I missed something in terms of social
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08:29
interaction, sometimes working, but we're a small company.
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08:32
I worry a little bit about people getting started with their career
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08:36
when they're 100 percent remote.
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08:38
Yeah, yeah, it does have an impact.
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08:41
So, we'll come on to the cons a little later.
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08:44
Yeah, for sure.
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08:44
But I do think that cost saving is one of the benefits of work working remotely.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚ณใ‚นใƒˆๅ‰Šๆธ›ใฏใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใงๅƒใใƒกใƒชใƒƒใƒˆใฎ 1 ใคใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:51
Although, I wonder how much as an individual, as an employee, you're
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08:55
saving, because initially you're like, well, I'm saving on my train
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08:58
tickets and I'm saving on my lunch.
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09:01
I'm not buying my coffees and my lunch out.
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09:04
Right.
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09:05
But I realised that actually you're at home all day.
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09:08
You have the heating on all day.
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09:10
You're eating at home.
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09:10
Fair point.
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09:11
So, you're still buying food that you have to eat.
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09:13
You're powering your life and if you need a lot of equipment, that's a lot
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09:19
of stuff that you're having to pay for.
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09:21
Internet.
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09:22
Needing better internet.
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09:23
So there are more costs attached to working from home.
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09:27
Yeah, I totally agree.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ๅ…จใๅŒๆ„Ÿใงใ™ใ€‚
09:28
So, I think wear and tear on your equipment, your laptop as well.
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09:31
When I think about cost savings, I actually think
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09:33
about employer cost savings.
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้›‡็”จไธปใฎใ‚ณใ‚นใƒˆๅ‰Šๆธ›ใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
09:35
The company is saving money.
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09:36
It's not so much...
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09:37
Absolutely.
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09:37
I think employees are saving time.
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09:39
Yes, they're getting that commute time.
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09:41
They're getting three hours back, which is a big deal, but I think it's
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09:43
the companies that are saving money.
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09:45
There's a really interesting podcast.
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09:47
Maybe I could recommend it to your listeners.
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09:48
It's called Fixable.
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ใใ‚Œใฏไฟฎๆญฃๅฏ่ƒฝใจๅ‘ผใฐใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
09:50
It's hosted by a Harvard Business School professor and a business consultant.
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ใƒใƒผใƒใƒผใƒ‰ใƒปใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใƒปใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒผใƒซใฎๆ•™ๆŽˆใจใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใƒปใ‚ณใƒณใ‚ตใƒซใ‚ฟใƒณใƒˆใŒไธปๅ‚ฌใ™ใ‚‹ใ€‚
09:54
And they actually had an episode where they talked about, they interviewed
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09:58
bosses, like company owners, and they gave them advice on how do
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10:01
you run a company post pandemic.
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10:03
How do you keep your employees engaged?
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10:06
Bring them into the office maybe once a quarter and you have to have amazing food.
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10:10
You have to have all these amazing things, right, to engage them.
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10:13
And that day is supposed to be more about them rather than their skill
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10:17
development rather than your company.
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10:18
It's very complex now what bosses have to deal with.
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10:22
It's really interesting.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ้ข็™ฝใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
10:23
That sounds amazing.
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10:23
It reminds me actually of YouTube.
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10:26
So, I've been working on YouTube for a long time and they host these incredible
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10:31
events where they get you to come in and you'll talk about strategies
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10:35
or, you know, celebrate things.
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10:38
But they put on always an amazing array of food and drinks and entertainment.
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10:43
And so, you go, even if it's not a workshop you're that interested in that
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10:48
you go just because it's an incredible event and you feel so special and yeah.
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10:52
Yeah.
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10:53
Things have changed a lot and that's kind of what work looks like or what the
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10:56
workplace looks like now and then I think a lot of the work gets done at home.
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11:00
Which is the hybrid model, yeah.
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11:01
Do you think that working from home increases productivity or do you
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ๅœจๅฎ…ๅ‹คๅ‹™ใฏ็”Ÿ็”ฃๆ€งใ‚’้ซ˜ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚
11:05
think it just encourages people to kind of slack off and be lazy?
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11:10
I think, you know, some of the research is coming out that it's,
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11:14
they're not completely sure, like they're starting to question that.
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11:17
I think there was sort of an assumption that yes, it definitely is going to
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11:20
increase productivity, but I think the research is starting to challenge that,
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ใŒใ€ ็‰นใซ 100% ใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใงใฏ
11:26
especially a hundred percent remote.
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ใ€็ ”็ฉถใฏใใ‚ŒใซๆŒ‘ๆˆฆใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
11:28
When it's hybrid.
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ใ€‚ ใƒใ‚คใƒ–ใƒชใƒƒใƒ‰ใฎใจใใ€‚
11:30
I think the research is starting to show that, you know, we're not
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็งใŸใกใฎ็”Ÿ็”ฃๆ€งใฏๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ไฝŽไธ‹ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€100%
11:33
losing productivity necessarily, but if we're a hundred percent
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11:37
remote, we might lose it more.
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11:38
So, I think it's too early to tell, right?
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11:40
When we gather data, we have to gather it over years and years and years.
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11:44
I think, at least, five years to really see.
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11:47
Yeah.
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11:47
I mean, I know, and this is moving into the cons of working from
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใฏ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใใ—ใฆใ“ใ‚Œใฏ
11:51
home that I struggle to detach my work life from my personal life.
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11:56
So, I'll be working in the office, which is down at the bottom of the
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12:01
garden, and the doorbell will go.
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12:04
And so, I run up to the door in case it's a delivery or something.
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12:09
And it might be a neighbour from down the street who just popped in for a chat
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12:12
and I'm kind of like, uh, it's not, I'm actually in the middle of a meeting or
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12:16
I'm just about to start a meeting or I'm just in the middle of writing a script.
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12:20
You've just disturbed me.
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12:22
Right.
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12:22
Or I know that there's laundry that's just finished a cycle that needs to
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12:26
go into the dryer and if I leave it until later, it will take longer.
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12:30
So, just do it now.
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12:31
And so you get distracted by, you know, the house and your personal life.
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12:37
Right.
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12:37
Which is what never wouldn't have happened before, of course.
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12:40
Yeah.
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12:41
Sometimes I'll see funny memes on Instagram of like a mother, like a
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12:45
60 year old mom and a young, like a 25 year old professional working
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12:50
from home and she'll be like,
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12:52
"Mom, I'm working."
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12:52
"What do you mean you're working?
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ใฟใŸใ„ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™
ใ€‚ ใ€Œไป•ไบ‹ใฃใฆใฉใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจ๏ผŸ
12:53
You're at home."
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12:54
Like she's just hilarious.
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12:56
So funny.
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12:56
Yeah.
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12:57
Yeah.
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12:58
But I guess.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
12:59
The one last thing to say about the positive side of working remotely,
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13:03
and this is something that I'm potentially looking at now is, that
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13:06
when you are completely remote and you don't have to go and be on site
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13:10
on a regular basis, then you are free to go anywhere you want to go.
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13:15
And you're no longer chained to these expensive !Commuter belts, as we call
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13:21
them, the areas around these big cities where you're living, and then you
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13:25
commute into the big cities and they are notoriously expensive places to live.
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13:31
And so, I'm a lover of the great outdoors, the mountains, the coast,
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13:36
I love nature, and I'm living on the outskirts of London in the commuter belt.
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่‡ช็„ถใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ€ใƒญใƒณใƒ‰ใƒณ้ƒŠๅค–ใฎ้€šๅ‹คๅœฐๅธฏใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:41
And now my partner is no longer working for the corporate, so he is now free.
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ใใ—ใฆไปŠใ€็งใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใฏใ‚‚ใ†ไผš็คพใงๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€ไปŠใฏ่‡ช็”ฑใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:48
And I'm completely remote.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏๅฎŒๅ…จใซใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
13:49
So, we have this opportunity now to consider where do we want to live?
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13:54
What country do we want to live in?
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13:56
And the only consideration I have to think of is, do they have good internet?
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14:01
Yeah.
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14:02
Which is a lot of places.
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14:04
I mean, the world is your oyster, as we say.
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14:06
That's amazing.
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14:07
Absolutely.
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14:07
Absolutely.
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14:08
Yeah, that's a really great phrase.
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14:10
The world is my oyster.
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ไธ–็•Œใฏ็งใฎใ‚ซใ‚ญใงใ™ใ€‚
14:12
We've seen this in the States, right?
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใงใ‚‚่ฆ‹ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
14:13
So this is going to be a profound shift in migration patterns, at least within the U.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ๅฐ‘ใชใใจใ‚‚็ฑณๅ›ฝๅ†…ใงใฏใ€็งปไฝใƒ‘ใ‚ฟใƒผใƒณใฎๅคงใใชๅค‰ๅŒ–ใจใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
14:19
S.
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14:19
We've seen people leave, let's say, let's take San Francisco.
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็ง ใŸใกใฏใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒๆตๅ‡บใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ใ‚ตใƒณใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚ทใ‚นใ‚ณใ‚’ไพ‹ใซๆŒ™ใ’ใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
14:23
That was where all the Silicon Valley workers were living.
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ใใ“ใฏใ‚ทใƒชใ‚ณใƒณใƒใƒฌใƒผใฎๅŠดๅƒ่€…ๅ…จๅ“กใŒไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
14:26
They don't have to be there anymore.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚‚ใ†ใใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
14:28
People are, there's a mass exodus out of California, not just
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ใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใ€ๅœฐ้œ‡ใ€ๅฑฑ็ซไบ‹
14:31
because of remote work, because of earthquakes, because of wildfires.
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ใ ใ‘ใŒๅŽŸๅ› ใงใฏใชใใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒใ‚ซใƒชใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒซใƒ‹ใ‚ขใ‹ใ‚‰ๅคง้‡ใซๆตๅ‡บใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
14:34
There's a lot going on that's just making California a hard place to live.
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ใ€‚ ใ‚ซใƒชใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒซใƒ‹ใ‚ขใ‚’ไฝใฟใซใใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซใ™ใ‚‹ๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:38
So what are the next cities?
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ใงใฏใ€ๆฌกใฎ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใฏใฉใ“ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
14:39
People are going to Texas.
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ไบบใ€…ใฏใƒ†ใ‚ญใ‚ตใ‚นใซ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€‚
14:41
It's going to change everything around real estate.
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ใใ‚Œใฏไธๅ‹•็”ฃใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Šๅทปใใ™ในใฆใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
14:43
Right.
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ๅณใ€‚ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ้ข็™ฝใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
14:44
It's really interesting.
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14:45
What are the hotspots?
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ใƒ›ใƒƒใƒˆใ‚นใƒใƒƒใƒˆใจใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
14:46
Where do people want to live?
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ไบบใ€…ใฏใฉใ“ใซไฝใฟใŸใ„ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
14:47
What do they want in their life?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไบบ็”Ÿใงไฝ•ใ‚’ๆœ›ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
14:48
Are they eventually going to miss the city and come back to it?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚„ใŒใฆ่ก—ใ‚’ๆ‡ใ‹ใ—ใ‚“ใงๆˆปใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
14:52
It's fascinating.
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้ญ…ๅŠ›็š„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
14:53
Really going to have an impact.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฝฑ้ŸฟใŒๅ‡บใฆใใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
14:55
So, some of the cons then, we talked about the fact that you can get
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ใใ“ใงใ€ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใƒ‡ใƒกใƒชใƒƒใƒˆใจใ—ใฆใ€
15:01
distracted when you're working from home.
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ๅœจๅฎ…ๅ‹คๅ‹™ใงใฏๆฐ—ใŒๆ•ฃใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใซใคใ„ใฆใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
15:04
Yes.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚
15:05
I find it quite challenging.
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ใ‹ใชใ‚ŠๆŒ‘ๆˆฆ็š„ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:06
Do you have a busy household?
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ๅฟ™ใ—ใ„ใ”ๅฎถๅบญใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
15:09
Do you find it distracting working from home?
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ๅœจๅฎ…ๅ‹คๅ‹™ใฏๆฐ—ใŒๆ•ฃใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
15:11
I do.
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15:11
Yeah.
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15:11
So, my partner also now is hybrid.
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็งใฏใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ€็งใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใ‚‚ใƒใ‚คใƒ–ใƒชใƒƒใƒ‰ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
15:15
Right.
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15:15
Okay.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
15:16
So, my partner's here working next door two or three days a week
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใฏใ“ใ“ใง้€ฑใซ2ใ€3ๆ—ฅ้šฃใงๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™
15:19
and that's, I actually like that.
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ใ€ใใ—ใฆใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:22
I like having my partner around, but I am engaged with some family stuff
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็งใฏใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒใใฐใซใ„ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ใŒใ€
15:27
right now, like supporting my parents as they're getting older and things
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ไปŠใฏไธก่ฆชใŒๅนด่€ใ„ใฆใใŸใฎใงใ‚ตใƒใƒผใƒˆใ™ใ‚‹ใชใฉใ€ๅฎถๆ—ใฎใ“ใจใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใŠใ‚Šใ€
15:31
just come into my personal email during the day and I do address those things.
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ๆ—ฅไธญใซๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใชใƒกใƒผใƒซใซๅ†…ๅฎนใŒๅ…ฅใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ“ใจใซๅฏพๅ‡ฆใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:35
Like I'll get on a call with a lawyer in the middle of the day and
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ๆ˜ผ้–“ใซๅผ่ญทๅฃซใจ้›ป่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใ‘ใฉใ€ใใ†ใ™ในใใง
15:38
I think I shouldn't but I have to.
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ใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‘ใฉใ€ใใ†ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€ใฟใŸใ„ใชใ€‚ ใ‚‚ใ—็งใŒ
15:39
I'm not sure what I would have done otherwise, if I had to
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ไผๆฅญใฎไธ–็•Œใซ่กŒใ‹ ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใใ†ใงใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใ‹ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
15:42
go into the corporate world.
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15:43
So, yeah, I let things come in to my space.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใซ็‰ฉไบ‹ใŒๅ…ฅใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
15:47
I get distracted.
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ๆฐ—ใŒๆ•ฃใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:49
Yes.
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15:49
Yeah, that's really hard, isn't it?
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
15:50
And then I find that because I'm distracted by things during the day in my
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๆ—ฅไธญใฏ
15:55
personal life, I end up pushing my work into the evening or into the weekend.
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็ง็”Ÿๆดปใฎใ“ใจใงๆฐ—ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ„ใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ๅค•ๆ–นใ‚„้€ฑๆœซใซๆŠผใ—่พผใ‚“ใงใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
16:01
And so then my work life balance completely goes off.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฎใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚คใƒ•ใƒใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใฏๅฎŒๅ…จใซๅดฉใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
16:06
Would you say that's every weekend that you push it in?
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ๆฏŽ้€ฑๆœซใซใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆŠผใ—่พผใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
16:08
Or just sometimes when there's like a big launch or something, what does
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ๆ™‚ใ€…ใ€ๅคงใใช็™บ่กจใชใฉใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใจใใ€
16:11
that end up looking like for you?
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆๆœ€็ต‚็š„ใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
16:14
I would say that the majority of the time, unless it's a special
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ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒžใ‚นใ‚„ๅญฆๆ กไผ‘ๆš‡ไธญใชใฉใฎ็‰นๅˆฅใชๆ—ฅใ‚’้™คใ„ใฆใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€
16:18
occasion, for example, over Christmas or during the school holidays, when
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16:22
the children are taking a break from their childcare settings.
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ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
16:26
The majority of the time I have to give extra time to my work because
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ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไป•ไบ‹ใซไฝ™ๅˆ†ใชๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ๅ‰ฒใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€
16:32
when you own a business, when you run a business, the buck stops with you.
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ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใ‚’ๆ‰€ๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใ‚’็ตŒๅ–ถใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใ‹ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
16:36
If don't address the problems and the business will fail and it will be
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ๅ•้กŒใซๅฏพๅ‡ฆใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใฏๅคฑๆ•—ใ—ใ€
16:41
detrimental to everyone who you employ.
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้›‡็”จใ™ใ‚‹ๅ…จๅ“กใซไธๅˆฉ็›Šใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:43
Correct.
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ๆญฃใ—ใ„ใ€‚
16:44
So, you know, it's very hard to find the balance, but some days I
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16:48
do say, you know, like this weekend I'm going to really focus on my
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้€ฑๆœซใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅฎถๆ—ใฎใ“ใจใซ้›†ไธญใ—ใฆ
16:52
family and I switch the phone off.
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้›ป่ฉฑใ‚’ๅˆ‡ใ‚‹ๆ—ฅใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
16:54
I don't come down to the office.
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็งใฏใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใซๆฅใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
16:55
I make sure there's no meetings put in on those times, but it is something I
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ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆ™‚้–“ใซใฏไผš่ญฐใŒๅ…ฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
17:02
have to actively seek that work-life balance, you know, getting it right.
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ใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚คใƒ•ใƒใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‚’็ฉๆฅต็š„ใซ่ฟฝๆฑ‚ใ—ใ€้ฉๅˆ‡ใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚€ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
17:07
Sometimes work takes over to a point where I don't do exercise for weeks.
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ไป•ไบ‹ใŒๅฟ™ใ—ใใฆไฝ•้€ฑ้–“ใ‚‚้‹ๅ‹•ใ‚’ใ—ใชใ„ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
17:11
Yeah.
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17:11
I don't sleep very well and then I'm start to feel it and think,
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ใ‚ใพใ‚Šใ‚ˆใ็œ ใ‚Œใšใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใ€ใ€Œ
17:14
no, I need to sort this out again.
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ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆๆ•ด็†ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€ใจ่€ƒใˆๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:16
Yeah, self care.
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17:17
One thing that helped with me, I have the same issue.
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็งใซใจใฃใฆๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใฃใŸใ“ใจใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€็งใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ๅ•้กŒใ‚’ๆŠฑใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
17:19
I, often, my family just doesn't allow me to work on the weekend, so I can't.
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็งใฏใ€ๅฎถๆ—ใŒ้€ฑๆœซใซๅƒใใ“ใจใ‚’่จฑๅฏใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒๅคšใ„ใฎใงใ€้€ฑๆœซใซๅƒใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
17:22
No, it's not an option.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ชใƒ—ใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
17:25
But this weekend, for example, I'll need to work for sure.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไพ‹ใˆใฐไปŠ้€ฑๆœซใฏๅฟ…ใšไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
17:28
Just due to the holiday.
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ใกใ‚‡ใ†ใฉไผ‘ใฟใฎใ›ใ„ใงใ€‚
17:30
And then taking a day off in the middle of January, I just need it.
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ใใ—ใฆ1ๆœˆไธญๆ—ฌใซ1ๆ—ฅไผ‘ใฟใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
17:33
One thing that's helped me though, is taking my work email off my phone.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใซใจใฃใฆๅฝน็ซ‹ใฃใŸใ“ใจใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€ไป•ไบ‹็”จใƒกใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๆบๅธฏ้›ป่ฉฑใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ‰Š้™คใ—ใŸใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
17:36
So, when I am out on the weekend or on the evening, just doing something
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€้€ฑๆœซใ‚„ๅค•ๆ–นใซ
17:40
personal, I can't check my work email.
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ๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใช็”จไบ‹ใงๅค–ๅ‡บใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใฏใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใฎใƒกใƒผใƒซใ‚’ใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
17:43
And that's a change that I made about two years ago.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏ็ด„2ๅนดๅ‰ใซ็งใŒๅŠ ใˆใŸๅค‰ๅŒ–ใงใ™ใ€‚
17:45
And I don't miss it at all.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใพใฃใŸใ่ฆ‹้€ƒใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
17:47
Like I couldn't take care of it anyways, so, why check it?
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ใจใซใ‹ใใใ‚Œใ‚’ไธ–่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใชใœใใ‚Œใ‚’ใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
17:50
Why know if there's a fire brewing or something, right?
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็ซ็ฝใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚’ใชใœ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
17:53
Yeah.
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17:53
That's a really, really good tip actually.
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ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
17:56
Something I should probably do.
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ใŠใใ‚‰ใ็งใŒใ™ในใใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
17:57
But then again, all my team have my phone number.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใฎใƒใƒผใƒ ๅ…จๅ“กใŒ็งใฎ้›ป่ฉฑ็•ชๅทใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:00
Mm.
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18:00
Do they text you all the time?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ใ‚ใชใŸใซใƒ†ใ‚ญใ‚นใƒˆใƒกใƒƒใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใ‚’้€ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
18:02
Even, okay.
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ใ•ใˆใ€ๅคงไธˆๅคซใ€‚
18:03
Hmm.
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18:03
Interesting.
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ใตใƒผใ‚€ใ€‚ ้ข็™ฝใ„ใ€‚
18:04
They're quite good.
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18:04
And actually, I prefer to be in the know about what's happening.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
ใใ—ใฆๅฎŸ้š›ใ€็งใฏไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:07
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ†ใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใฏใ€‚
18:08
Than not.
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18:08
Yes, of course.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€‚
18:09
Because I'm just so involved, but it would be good sometimes to be
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅคขไธญใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใŸใพใซใฏ ๅฎŒๅ…จใซใ‚นใ‚คใƒƒใƒใ‚’ใ‚ชใƒ•ใซใงใใ‚‹
18:13
able just to completely switch off.
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ใฎใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
18:15
Yes.
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18:16
And I guess we're lucky.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใฏๅนธ้‹ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:18
You mentioned that your family, you know, tell you, you can't work
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฎถๆ—ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅƒใ‘ใชใ„ใ€
18:22
and you have people to intervene if you're working too hard.
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ๅƒใใ™ใŽใŸใ‚‰ไป‹ๅ…ฅใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใŠใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใญใ€‚
18:26
And it's the same for me.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
18:27
My partner will say to me sometimes, or my kids will be like,
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ใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒๆ™‚ใ€…็งใซ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใŒ
18:29
"Mummy, can't work today.
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ใ€Œใƒžใƒžใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏไป•ไบ‹ใŒใงใใชใ„ใ€‚
18:31
Want to spend time with you."
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ไธ€็ท’ใซๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใŸใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
18:32
Yeah, yeah.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€‚
18:33
Some people work, are living alone and don't have that.
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ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆไธ€ไบบๆšฎใ‚‰ใ—ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใชใ„ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:36
And I guess in those cases, remote working can lead to feeling
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ ดๅˆใ€ใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใฏ
18:39
very isolated and lonely because they're not seeing anybody all day.
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ไธ€ๆ—ฅไธญ่ชฐใซใ‚‚ไผšใ‚ใชใ„ใŸใ‚ใ€้žๅธธใซๅญค็ซ‹ใ—ใ€ๅญค็‹ฌใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใชใŒใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:46
Oh, a hundred percent.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็™พใƒ‘ใƒผใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใ ใ€‚
18:47
I worry about that, right.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅฟƒ้…ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญใ€‚
18:49
I imagine, you know, I'm really thankful that I live with my family
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ๆƒณๅƒใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ๅฎถๆ—ใจไธ€็ท’ใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใฆใ€็ง
18:53
and that I get pulled away and they create plans for me, right?
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ใŒๅผ•ใ้›ขใ•ใ‚Œใ€ๅฎถๆ—ใŒ็งใฎใŸใ‚ใซ่จˆ็”ปใ‚’็ซ‹ใฆใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
18:57
They just say, we're doing this on Friday night.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŸใ ใ€ใ€Œ้‡‘ๆ›œๆ—ฅใฎๅคœใซใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:00
You're not working.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
19:01
And so, thank goodness for that.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใŸใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
19:03
But yeah, I think that that is a big con and a danger actually,
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ไบบใ€…ใŒใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใซใชใฃใŸไปŠ ใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏๅคงใใชๆฌ ็‚นใงใ‚ใ‚Šๅฑ้™บใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
19:07
now that people have gone remote.
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19:08
For sure.
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19:09
Yeah.
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19:09
Especially when it comes to like mental health problems, it could
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
็‰นใซใƒกใƒณใ‚ฟใƒซใƒ˜ใƒซใ‚นใฎๅ•้กŒใชใฉใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€
19:13
definitely lead to a rise in feeling depressed because loneliness definitely
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ๅญค็‹ฌๆ„Ÿใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใชใๆ†‚้ฌฑใ‚„ไธๅฎ‰ใซใคใชใŒใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€ๆ†‚้ฌฑใชๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒ้ซ˜ใพใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒ
19:17
leads to depression and anxiety.
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ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
19:20
And you mentioned earlier about feeling concerned for people who are
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅ…ˆใปใฉใ€
19:23
just entering into the workplace.
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่ทๅ ดใซๅ…ฅใฃใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใฎ
19:25
So, those people who spent years and years studying and then come into the
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ไบบใซๅฏพใ™ใ‚‹ไธๅฎ‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใŠใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
19:30
workplace, but are instantly thrown into remote working, they definitely miss out
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ไฝ•ๅนดใ‚‚ใ‹ใ‘ใฆๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆ่ทๅ ดใซๅ…ฅใฃใŸใฎใซใ€ใ™ใใซใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใซๆ”พใ‚Š่พผใพใ‚ŒใŸไบบใŸใกใฏ
19:35
on this opportunity to kind of network and find mentors and build those relationships
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19:42
that are vital for career progression.
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19:45
Right.
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19:45
I think also they're my, I don't, this is a little bit foreign
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ใพใŸใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏ็งใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏใใ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
19:48
to me because I haven't worked in the corporate world before.
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็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใพใงไผๆฅญใฎไธ–็•Œใงๅƒใ„ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใฎใงใ€
19:51
But I would imagine that there's also an aspect of not learning kind of your role.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆๅฐ‘ใ—็•ฐ่ณชใงใ™ ใ€‚ ใงใ‚‚ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅฝนๅ‰ฒใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใชใ„ๅด้ขใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:56
If you're just entering the company or in your early twenties, you kind of, by
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ๅ…ฅ็คพใ—ใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ใพใŸใฏ 20 ไปฃๅ‰ๅŠใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€
20:00
going into the workplace, you kind of learn your place, you learn where you
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่ทๅ ดใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ็ซ‹ๅ ดใ‚’ๅญฆใณใ€
20:03
are in the context of this organisation.
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ใ“ใฎ็ต„็น”ใฎไธญใง่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใฉใฎไฝ็ฝฎใซใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’ๅญฆใณใพใ™ใ€‚
20:07
Whereas if you're just online, isolated at home.
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ไธ€ๆ–นใ€ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใ ใ‘ใง่‡ชๅฎ…ใซ้š”้›ขใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ ็ต„็น”ๅ†…ใง
20:11
You might be a little tone-deaf around what's really going
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—้Ÿณ็—ดใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
20:13
on in the organisation.
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20:14
Does that make sense?
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็†ใซใ‹ใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
20:15
Yeah, absolutely.
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20:16
Yeah, absolutely.
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ใˆใˆใ€็ตถๅฏพใซใ€‚
20:18
And also there's things that I haven't outsourced, because they're
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ใพใŸใ€็งใŒๅค–ๆณจใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใ€
20:22
very practical hands on kinds of creative jobs that really need
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็งใŒ่ชฐใ‹ใฎไธŠใซ็ซ‹ใคๅฟ…่ฆ ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹้žๅธธใซๅฎŸ่ทต็š„ใชใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚จใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชไป•ไบ‹
20:27
me to be standing over someone.
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20:30
Like literally at the desk with them and really going through
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ๆ–‡ๅญ—้€šใ‚Šๅฝผใ‚‰ใจไธ€็ท’ใซใƒ‡ใ‚นใ‚ฏใซใ„ใฆ
20:32
them, which just isn't the same to kind of connect remotely, you
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ใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซๅฝผใ‚‰ใจๅฏพ่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใงๆŽฅ็ถšใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€
20:38
know, so I go, do you know what?
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€ไฝ•ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
20:39
I'm not going to outsource my editing.
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็ทจ้›†ใ‚’ๅค–ๆณจใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
20:41
I'm not going to outsource this, that, and the other because it's
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20:43
just too hard to train people up remotely to do what I want them to do.
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ใปใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใง่กŒใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅพ“ๆฅญๅ“กใ‚’ๆ•™่‚ฒใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้žๅธธใซ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใŸใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‚ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‚ใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒณใ‚ฐใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
20:48
Oh, wow yeah.
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20:50
So, you know, potentially people in my team who could be doing more creative
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใฎใƒใƒผใƒ ใซใฏใ‚‚ใฃใจๅ‰ต้€ ็š„ใช
20:55
work aren't because I don't feel like I can bring them up to speed remotely.
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ไป•ไบ‹ใŒใงใใ‚‹ไบบๆใŒใ„ใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’ใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใงๆŒ‡ๅฐŽใงใใ‚‹ๆฐ—ใŒใ—ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
21:00
So, it's difficult.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
21:01
But I do employ mostly, in fact, I don't think I have anyone in
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏไธปใซ้›‡็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€
21:06
my team who lives in the UK.
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็งใฎใƒใƒผใƒ ใซใฏ่‹ฑๅ›ฝใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใฏใ„ใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:08
No.
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21:08
So, you know, like that pro that we talked about, the fact that you can
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ใ€ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅ…ˆใปใฉ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใƒ—ใƒญใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
21:13
live anywhere and work remotely.
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ใฉใ“ใซใงใ‚‚ไฝใ‚“ใงใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใงไป•ไบ‹ใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใฏใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
21:15
I've got people living in Ukraine, in America, in Spain, you know, all over the
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21:20
world, Italy, Malta, all over the place.
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ใซไบบใŒไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
21:23
That's amazing.
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ใ™ใ”ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
21:24
And we all work together on this one project and it works really well.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใŸใกๅ…จๅ“กใŒใ“ใฎ 1 ใคใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใซๅ”ๅŠ›ใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€้žๅธธใซใ†ใพใๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:27
That's really cool.
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21:28
Yeah.
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21:29
That truly is cool.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ฏใƒผใƒซใงใ™ใ€‚
21:30
Right.
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21:30
So talent, there are no boundaries to talent.
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ๅณใ€‚ ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆ‰่ƒฝใ€ๆ‰่ƒฝใซ้™็•Œใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
21:32
And I think for the big corporations, that's what they're seeing as well.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅคงไผๆฅญใ‚‚ๅŒๆง˜ใซใใ‚Œใ‚’็›ฎใฎๅฝ“ใŸใ‚Šใซใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:35
Even just, let's say a company based in New York no longer has
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ใŸใ ใงใ•ใˆใ€ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใซๆ‹ ็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใไผๆฅญใŒใ€
21:38
to just hire within New York city.
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ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏๅธ‚ๅ†…ใ ใ‘ใง้›‡็”จใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใชใใชใฃใŸใจใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
21:40
They can hire someone in Montana if they are the best in that field.
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ใใฎๅˆ†้‡Žใงๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅ„ช็ง€ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใƒขใƒณใ‚ฟใƒŠๅทžใงไบบๆใ‚’้›‡็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
21:44
That's amazing.
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21:45
Yeah, as long as the technology all works, because that's definitely
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21:49
been one of the difficulties.
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21:51
When there's like blackouts in Spain.
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ใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณใงๅœ้›ปใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใจใใ€‚
21:54
Oh my gosh!
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ใชใ‚“ใฆใ“ใจใ ๏ผ
21:55
And I just can't get in touch with my teachers and I'm like,
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ๅ…ˆ็”ŸใŸใกใจ้€ฃ็ตกใŒๅ–ใ‚Œใชใใฆใ€ใ€Œ
21:57
oh no, we've got classes!
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21:58
Does that happen a lot?
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ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใฏใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
21:59
It's happened a few times.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆ•ฐๅ›ž่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
22:01
Actually, it's happened a few times in the last six months,
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€้ŽๅŽปๅŠๅนดใงไฝ•ๅบฆใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€
22:04
I think storms cause problems.
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ๅตใŒๅ•้กŒใ‚’ๅผ•ใ่ตทใ“ใ™ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:08
But you know, it's small things, small problems, nothing major.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅฐใ•ใชใ“ใจใ€ๅฐใ•ใชๅ•้กŒใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅคงใ—ใŸใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ“ใงใ€
22:13
So I want to just move on to giving just three tips, like top
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ๅœจๅฎ…ๅ‹คๅ‹™ใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ‚ŠๅŠน็އ็š„ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซไบบใ€…ใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹
22:18
tips of what people can do to make working from home more efficient.
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22:24
Sure.
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22:25
And so I'm going to lead with the first one, which is to
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ใใ“ใงใ€็งใŒๆœ€ๅˆใฎ 1 ใค็›ฎใ€ใคใพใ‚Šๅฐ‚็”จใฎใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใ‚’็ขบ็ซ‹ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใฟใพใ™
22:28
establish a dedicated workspace.
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22:32
I think that's so important.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚้‡่ฆใชใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:33
When I first started working from home, once I had children, I was
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็งใŒๆœ€ๅˆใซๅœจๅฎ…ๅ‹คๅ‹™ใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใจใใ€ๅญไพ›ใŒใงใใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ใฏใ€
22:37
working just in the corner of the front room and it was a disaster.
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ใกใ‚‡ใ†ใฉๅ‰ๅฎคใฎ้š…ใงไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใฒใฉใ„ใ“ใจใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
22:42
I couldn't focus for a second because all the action was happening just there, right
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ใ™ในใฆใฎๅ‹•ไฝœใŒ
22:47
behind my head and I just couldn't focus.
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้ ญใฎใ™ใๅพŒใ‚ใง่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใŸใ‚ใ€ไธ€็žฌใ‚‚้›†ไธญใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
22:50
I was constantly distracted.
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็งใฏๅธธใซๆฐ—ใŒๆ•ฃใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
22:52
Yes.
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22:52
So, having this kind of physical separation, I think is really important.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚
ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็‰ฉ็†็š„ใชๅˆ†้›ขใฏ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:56
I, now I said I work in the shed, in the studio at the bottom of the garden.
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็งใฏไปŠใ€ๅบญใฎๅฅฅใซใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฐๅฑ‹ใฎใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚ธใ‚ชใงๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:01
So, there is this small commute of a few steps.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆ•ฐๆญฉใฎๅฐใ•ใช้€šๅ‹คใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
23:05
That's great.
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23:05
Away from the house into a completely separate space.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
ๅฎถใ‹ใ‚‰้›ขใ‚ŒใฆๅฎŒๅ…จใซ็‹ฌ็ซ‹ใ—ใŸ็ฉบ้–“ใธใ€‚
23:08
And when I decide I'm done, I lock the studio.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใŒ็ต‚ใ‚ใฃใŸใจๅˆคๆ–ญใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚ธใ‚ชใซ้ตใ‚’ๆŽ›ใ‘ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:12
And I walk away and that's me then done with work for that day.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏ็ซ‹ใกๅŽปใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใงใใฎๆ—ฅใฎไป•ไบ‹ใฏ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:15
Yeah, that's amazing.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ™ใ”ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
23:16
That's the way you have to do it.
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ใใ†ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
23:18
Are you in your house?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฎถใซใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
23:19
Do you have a dedicated office?
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ๅฐ‚็”จใฎใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
23:20
How does it work?
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ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
23:21
Yes, I'm lucky to have...
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ใฏใ„ใ€ๅนธ้‹ใชใ“ใจใซ...
23:23
I have the office here.
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ใ“ใ“ใซใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
23:24
We have a small apartment or we have a small house in the city of Denver, but
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็งใŸใกใฏใƒ‡ใƒณใƒใƒผๅธ‚ใซๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ขใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใ‹ๅฐใ•ใชๅฎถใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
23:30
we have a couple of bedrooms and one of them we have converted into an office.
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ๅฏๅฎคใŒใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใฎใ†ใกใฎ 1 ใคใ‚’ใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใซๆ”น้€ ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:34
So, I am in here and then my partner is in, it sounds bad, but we converted
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใŒใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใฆใ€ใใฎๅพŒใซใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒๆฅใพใ™ใ€‚่จ€ใ„ๆ–นใฏๆ‚ชใ„ใงใ™ใŒใ€
23:40
the closet into a small office.
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ใ‚ฏใƒญใƒผใ‚ผใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใซๆ”น้€ ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:42
We took all the shelves out.
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ๆฃšใ‚’ใ™ในใฆๆ’คๅŽปใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:43
It sounds terrible, but it's actually pretty good, a cute
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ใฒใฉใ„ใ“ใจใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ้žๅธธใซๅ„ชใ‚ŒใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ใ‹ใ‚ใ„ใ„
23:45
little cubicle-type scenario.
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ๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ญใƒฅใƒผใƒ“ใ‚ฏใƒซใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒ—ใฎใ‚ทใƒŠใƒชใ‚ชใงใ™ใ€‚
23:48
And so, we've been able to carve out our own working spaces.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ็‹ฌ่‡ชใฎไฝœๆฅญใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅˆ‡ใ‚Š้–‹ใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:51
And yeah, thank God for that.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฏ็ฅžใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:53
If I had to sleep in here, that would also be unhealthy, right?
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ใ“ใ“ใงๅฏใชใ„ใจใ„ใ‘ใชใ„ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‚ไธๅฅๅบทใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
23:56
So...
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23:56
Yeah.
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ใใ‚Œใง...
ใˆใˆใ€‚
23:57
Where you sleep should not be where you work, if you can control it now in
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ๅฏใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใŒไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ‚ใฃใฆใฏใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๆฑไบฌใ‚„ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏๅธ‚ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็‹ญใ„็ฉบ้–“ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹้ƒฝๅธ‚ใงใฏใ€
24:01
cities, with tiny spaces like Tokyo, New York City, that's not always possible.
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ไปŠใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚ณใƒณใƒˆใƒญใƒผใƒซใงใใ‚‹ใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅธธใซๅฏ่ƒฝใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใฏ้™ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
24:07
So, we have to try to work something out but as much as we can separate that space,
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ใงใ™ใฎใงใ€ไฝ•ใจใ‹ๅทฅๅคซใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ๅฏใ‚‹ใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใ€ใใฎใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ใงใใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ๅˆ†ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ
24:11
sleeping space, working space, important.
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้‡่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
24:13
Yeah, when I first moved into the area that I'm living in now,
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€็งใŒไปŠไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ๅœฐๅŸŸใซๅˆใ‚ใฆๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ—ใฆใใŸใจใใ€
24:17
I was very young on YouTube.
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็งใฏใพใ ่‹ฅใใ—ใฆ YouTube ใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:19
I think I'd only been doing English Like a Native on YouTube for a year
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YouTube ใงใ€ŒEnglish Like a Nativeใ€ใ‚’ 1 ๅนด้–“ใ ใ‘ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
24:24
and I suddenly found myself homeless.
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ใŒใ€ๆฐ—ใŒใคใใจใƒ›ใƒผใƒ ใƒฌใ‚นใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:26
So, I moved into a room in someone's house.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏ่ชฐใ‹ใฎๅฎถใฎไธ€ๅฎคใซๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:29
Wow!
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ใŠใŠ๏ผ
24:30
So I rented this room and it was a tiny room with a double bed
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ใใ“ใงใ“ใฎ้ƒจๅฑ‹ใ‚’ๅ€Ÿใ‚ŠใŸใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใƒ™ใƒƒใƒ‰
24:33
and just space for a little desk.
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ใจๅฐใ•ใชๆœบใ‚’็ฝฎใใ ใ‘ใฎๅฐใ•ใช้ƒจๅฑ‹ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:35
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
24:36
And I would sit on my bed to be at the desk that was so small and I would
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใƒ™ใƒƒใƒ‰ใซๅบงใฃใฆใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฐใ•ใชๆœบใซๅ‘ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€
24:42
find that because I didn't have that separation, I would literally be up
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ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅˆ†้›ขใŒใชใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€็งใฏๆ–‡ๅญ—้€šใ‚Šๅˆๅ‰2ๆ™‚ใใ‚‰ใ„ใพใง่ตทใใฆ
24:46
working, editing, planning until like two in the morning and my eyes were literally
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ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€็ทจ้›†ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€่จˆ็”ปใ‚’็ซ‹ใฆใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€็›ฎใŒ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ๆ–‡ๅญ—้€šใ‚Šใ€
24:51
like having to have matchsticks keeping my eyes open because they wouldn't stay open.
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็›ฎใŒ้–‹ใ„ใŸใพใพใซใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€ใƒžใƒƒใƒๆฃ’ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ็›ฎใ‚’้–‹ใ„ใฆใ„ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
24:55
And then I'd go to bed and have a headache and not sleep well.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒ™ใƒƒใƒ‰ใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใจ้ ญใŒ็—›ใใชใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ˆใ็œ ใ‚Œใชใใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:58
And then I'd be up at eight in the morning because I'm like,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
25:00
I've got to start filming at nine.
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9ๆ™‚ใซๆ’ฎๅฝฑใ‚’้–‹ๅง‹ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€ๆœใฏ8ๆ™‚ใซ่ตทใใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
25:02
Back at it.
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่ฉฑใ‚’ๆˆปใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:03
When the sun's up.
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25:03
Yeah.
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ๅคช้™ฝใŒๆ˜‡ใ‚‹ใจใใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
25:04
Yeah.
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25:04
You know...
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใใ†ใงใ™ใญโ€ฆ
25:05
It was very unhealthy.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ไธๅฅๅบทใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
25:06
Oh, sounds super...
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ™ใ”ใ„ใงใ™ใญ...
25:07
yeah.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
25:08
There's always, I think for companies like ours, there's always a hustle period.
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็งใŸใกใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชไผš็คพใซใฏใ€ๅธธใซใƒใƒƒใ‚นใƒซๆœŸ้–“ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:11
And I would argue I'm still in the hustle period in a way, but I think
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใพใ ใƒใƒƒใ‚นใƒซๆœŸใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใจไธปๅผตใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
25:15
there's, I had a similar hustle period where I rented a room in a house of five
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ๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใƒใƒƒใ‚นใƒซๆœŸใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:20
roommates in Cambridge, Mass when I was in graduate school and I was working at
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ๅคงๅญฆ้™ขใซ้€šใฃใฆใ„ใŸใจใใ€ใƒžใ‚ตใƒใƒฅใƒผใ‚ปใƒƒใƒ„ๅทžใ‚ฑใƒณใƒ–ใƒชใƒƒใ‚ธใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใƒซใƒผใƒ ใƒกใ‚คใƒˆ 5ไบบใฎๅฎถใฎ1ๅฎคใ‚’ๅ€Ÿใ‚Šใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
25:23
my desk, you know, my bed was right there.
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็งใฎใƒ™ใƒƒใƒ‰ใฏใ™ใใใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใ€็งใฎใƒ‡ใ‚นใ‚ฏ ใงไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
25:26
Everything was right in that same room and there was a lot of hustle going on.
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ใ€‚ ๅŒใ˜้ƒจๅฑ‹ใงใฏใ™ในใฆใŒใ†ใพใใ„ใใ€ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎๅ–ง้จ’ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
25:29
Maybe that's what we do for a couple of years, but as soon as
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใŸใ‚‰ๆ•ฐๅนดใฏใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ‘ใฉใ€ใงใใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ๆ—ฉใ
25:32
we can, we should try to separate.
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ๅˆฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅŠชๅŠ›ใ‚’ใ™ในใใงใ™ใ€‚
25:35
Yeah.
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25:35
Even within the same house, like an office bedroom.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ๅŒใ˜ๅฎถใฎไธญใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใฎๅฏๅฎคใชใฉใ€‚
25:37
Yeah.
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25:38
Absolutely.
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็ตถๅฏพใซใ€‚
25:39
And then on the theme of keeping ourselves healthy and looking after our
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ใใ—ใฆใ€่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใฎๅฅๅบทใ‚’ไฟใกใ€
25:44
well-being, I think having structure to your schedule and making sure you have
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ๅนธ็ฆใซๆฐ—ใ‚’้…ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใƒ†ใƒผใƒžใซใคใ„ใฆใฏใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใ‚’ใ—ใฃใ‹ใ‚Šใจ็ซ‹ใฆใ€
25:49
regular breaks would be the next tip.
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ๅฎšๆœŸ็š„ใซไผ‘ๆ†ฉใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๆฌกใฎใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:52
Mm hmm.
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25:52
Because this is something I still have to remind myself to do.
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ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒไปŠใงใ‚‚่‡ชๅˆ†ใซ่จ€ใ„่žใ‹ใ›ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
25:55
I'll just get into like deep work.
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ใ‹ใชใ‚Šๆทฑใ„ไป•ไบ‹ใซๅ–ใ‚ŠๆŽ›ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
25:58
And if my partner isn't at home working in the office with me, cause he's very good
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ—็งใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒ็งใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใงไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆๅฎถใซใ„ใชใ„ใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ๅฝผใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅ„ช็ง€ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:02
at remembering lunchtime to be honest.
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ๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใ†ใจใ€ใƒฉใƒณใƒใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒ ใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
26:04
He's like,
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ๅฝผใฏ
26:05
"Right.
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ใ€Œใใ†ใ ใญใ€ ใ‚‚ใ†ใŠๆ˜ผใฎๆ™‚้–“ใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
26:06
It's time for lunch.
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26:06
I'm hungry."
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ใŠ่…นใŒ็ฉบใ„ใŸใ‚ˆใ€ใฃใฆ่จ€ใ†ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:07
Right.
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ๅณใ€‚
26:08
Whereas I'll just work through work through and then go, I've got a
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ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ›ใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ‡บ็™บใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใŒใ€
26:11
headache and I'm feeling a bit off.
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้ ญ็—›ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅฐ‘ใ—ๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒๆ‚ชใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:13
Oh, it's because it's three o'clock and I haven't eaten since eight this morning.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚‚ใ†๏ผ“ๆ™‚ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ไปŠๆœใฏ๏ผ˜ๆ™‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ไฝ•ใ‚‚้ฃŸในใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ‚“ใ ใ€‚
26:17
Wow!
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ใŠใŠ๏ผ
26:18
So, I think having a set schedule and actually allowing
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๆฑบใ‚ใฆใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ
26:22
a little time for a break.
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ๅฐ‘ใ—ใฎไผ‘ๆ†ฉๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่จญใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:24
Do you have a set schedule in the day for yourself?
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ใ‚ใชใŸ่‡ช่บซใฎ1ๆ—ฅใฎใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใฏๆฑบใพใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
26:27
Yeah, I'm pretty routine.
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ใฏใ„ใ€็งใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Šๆ—ฅๅธธ็š„ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:28
So, that's how I find that I'm able to get more done and just kind of set
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ใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆใ€ ใƒซใƒผใƒใƒณใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใ“ใจใง ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๆˆใ—้‚ใ’ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคงใใช็›ฎๆจ™ใ‚’่จญๅฎšใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใฎ
26:32
bigger goals is by having a routine.
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ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:34
So, I take my dog for a walk at 6:30 in the morning, eat breakfast, shower.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ๆœ6ๆ™‚ๅŠใซ็Šฌใ‚’ๆ•ฃๆญฉใซ้€ฃใ‚Œใฆ่กŒใใ€ๆœ้ฃŸใ‚’้ฃŸในใฆใ€ใ‚ทใƒฃใƒฏใƒผใ‚’ๆตดใณใพใ™ใ€‚
26:38
I'm at my desk by eight.
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็งใฏ8ๆ™‚ใพใงใซๆœบใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:40
And then I am usually hungry at noon.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใŠๆ˜ผใซใชใ‚‹ใจใŸใ„ใฆใ„ใŠ่…นใŒ็ฉบใ„ใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
26:42
So, I do go and eat lunch.
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ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ€ใƒฉใƒณใƒใ‚’้ฃŸในใซ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€‚
26:44
And then, but I don't take much time away from my desk.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏๆœบใ‹ใ‚‰้›ขใ‚Œใ‚‹ๆ™‚้–“ใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Šใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
26:47
That's the thing I could probably add in is maybe go for
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใ ้ฃŸๅพŒใซ30ๅˆ†ใฎๆ•ฃๆญฉ
26:49
a half hour walk after eating.
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ใซ่กŒใใ“ใจใ‚’่ฟฝๅŠ ใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใ€‚
26:52
That would be smart actually.
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ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ่ณขๆ˜Žใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
26:53
Maybe I'll try that today.
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ใŸใถใ‚“ไปŠๆ—ฅใใ‚Œใ‚’่ฉฆใ—ใฆใฟใพใ™ใ€‚
26:54
Yeah.
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26:55
And actually exercise after eating is very good to keep your blood sugar in check.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฎŸ้š›ใ€้ฃŸๅพŒใฎ้‹ๅ‹•ใฏ่ก€็ณ–ๅ€คใ‚’ๆŠ‘ใˆใ‚‹ใฎใซ้žๅธธใซๅŠนๆžœ็š„ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:59
I heard that.
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26:59
I've read that recently.
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ใใ†่žใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใใ‚Œใ‚’่ชญใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
27:01
Yeah.
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27:01
I think we might've read the same article.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅŒใ˜่จ˜ไบ‹ใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:03
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
27:04
And then I usually work until about six.
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ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚6ๆ™‚ใใ‚‰ใ„ใพใงๅƒใใพใ™ใ€‚
27:06
Right.
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27:07
Okay, yeah.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใฏใ„ใ€‚
27:09
I was in the habit of, I have to make every single minute count,
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็งใซใฏใ€ไธ€ๅˆ†ไธ€็ง’ใ‚’ๅคงๅˆ‡ใซใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†็ฟ’ๆ…ฃใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
27:12
especially when you're paying a fortune for childcare, you're like,
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็‰นใซ่‚ฒๅ…ใซๅคš้กใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ‰•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใฏใ€ใ€Œ
27:15
I am paying for these minutes.
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็งใฏใใฎๅˆ†ใฎใŸใ‚ใซใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ‰•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:17
Yes.
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27:17
I can't take a second to stop.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚
็ซ‹ใกๆญขใพใ‚‹ใฎใซไธ€็ง’ใ‚‚ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€‚
27:19
So, I'd be eating in front of the computer or I'd be eating while
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ใชใฎใงใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚ฝใ‚ณใƒณใฎๅ‰ใง้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€
27:23
writing an email with my other hand.
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ใ‚‚ใ†็‰‡ๆ–นใฎๆ‰‹ใงใƒกใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๆ›ธใใชใŒใ‚‰้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
27:24
Sure.
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27:25
Sure.
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27:25
Or reading notes for something.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏไฝ•ใ‹ใฎใƒกใƒขใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ‚Šใ€‚
27:28
And.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€‚ ใใ‚“ใชไธ€ๆ—ฅใŒ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใพใ‚‹ใง
27:29
I would just find that I'd get to the end of a day like that and just feel like I'd
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27:33
been hit by a bus, I'd feel horrendous.
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ใƒใ‚นใซ่ฝขใ‹ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใซใชใ‚Šใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ใฒใฉใ„ๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
27:36
I'd feel like I was coming down with something.
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใซ่ฝใก่พผใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆฐ—ใŒใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:38
My glands in my neck would be swollen.
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27:39
I'm very sensitive to these things.
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็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ“ใจใซใจใฆใ‚‚ๆ•ๆ„Ÿใงใ™ใ€‚
27:41
Wow, yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚ใƒผใ€ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
27:42
And just not feel very well in myself at all and think I need to
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ใใ—ใฆใ€่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใฎๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒใพใฃใŸใ่‰ฏใใชใ„ใฎใงใ€
27:47
stop being so hard on myself and make sure I have space to breathe.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใซๅŽณใ—ใใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚ใฆใ€ๅ‘ผๅธใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใ‚’็ขบไฟใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:52
Yes, completely.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ๅฎŒๅ…จใซใ€‚
27:53
I mean, it's a fair point, right?
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅ…ฌๅนณใชๆŒ‡ๆ‘˜ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
27:54
I, we don't have kids.
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็งใซใฏๅญไพ›ใŒใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
27:55
So...
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ใจใ„ใ†
27:56
'Cause the thing is you have to remember that if you burn out completely,
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ใ“ใจใฏ... ใ ใฃใฆใ€ๅฎŒๅ…จใซ็‡ƒใˆๅฐฝใใฆใ—ใพใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€
28:01
then you're going to be taking a lot more time out than just taking
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15ๅˆ†ใ€20ๅˆ†ใฎไผ‘ๆ†ฉใ‚’
28:05
15, 20 minutes to have a break.
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ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใšใฃใจ้•ทใ„ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†
28:08
So, it's better to be healthy and be the best version of yourself at
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ใ“ใจใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใŠใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€
28:12
work and at home than burn yourself out in the hopes of trying to get
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ใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—ๅ‡บไธ–ใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆ็‡ƒใˆๅฐฝใ ใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใฏ ใ€ๅฅๅบทใงใ„ใฆใ€ ไป•ไบ‹ใงใ‚‚ๅฎถๅบญใงใ‚‚
28:16
ahead, you know, a little more.
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ๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎ่‡ชๅˆ†ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฎๆ–นใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
28:19
Or worst case, if you burn out you may need to keep working,
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ๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€็‡ƒใˆๅฐฝใใฆใ—ใพใฃใŸๅ ดๅˆใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
28:22
but you won't be your best self.
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ใŒใ€ๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎ่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใฏใชใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
28:24
You'll be a fraction of who you could be, you know, and your staff will
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ใ‚ใ‚Šๅพ—ใ‚‹่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใปใ‚“ใฎไธ€้ƒจใซใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒƒใƒ•ใฏ
28:28
notice that and they will probably start to get nervous about the success
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ใใ‚Œใซๆฐ—ใฅใใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใไผš็คพใฎๆˆๅŠŸใซใคใ„ใฆไธๅฎ‰ใซใชใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ ใชใœใชใ‚‰็งใŸใกใฎใƒใƒผใƒ ใฏ
28:32
of the company 'cause our teams take a lot of cues from us as to how
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็‰ฉไบ‹ ใŒใฉใ†ใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ็งใŸใกใ‹ใ‚‰ๅคšใใฎใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใ‚’ๅพ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
28:36
things are going and how secure is their job, that kind of thing, right.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎไป•ไบ‹ใฏใฉใ‚Œใใ‚‰ใ„ๅฎ‰ๅ…จใชใฎใ‹ใ€ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใญใ€‚
28:40
Yeah.
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28:40
I'm very bad at working, in the evening, I just kind of power down.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ็งใฏไป•ไบ‹ใŒใจใฆใ‚‚่‹ฆๆ‰‹ใงใ€ๅค•ๆ–นใซใชใ‚‹ใจใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใƒ‘ใƒฏใƒผใƒ€ใ‚ฆใƒณใ—ใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
28:45
And so I'll sit at my computer and it's like, I can't even read the text.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใฎๅ‰ใซๅบงใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ๆ–‡็ซ ใ™ใ‚‰่ชญใ‚ใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
28:49
It's like my eyes stop working.
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็›ฎใŒๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใชใใชใฃใŸใฟใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
28:51
And it takes me forever to write anything creative.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅ‰ต้€ ็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆ›ธใใซใฏๆฐธ้ ใซๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
28:53
Oh yeah.
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ใใ†ใใ†ใ€‚
28:54
But my partner on the other hand is fantastic in the evening.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไธ€ๆ–นใง็งใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใฏๅค•ๆ–นใซใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
28:57
He kind of is, you know.
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ๅฝผใฏใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒ—ใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
28:59
Powers up?
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28:59
A real night owl.
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ใƒ‘ใƒฏใƒผใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ—ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
ใพใ•ใซๅคœๅž‹ไบบ้–“ใ€‚
29:01
So, we have this routine now that we don't have childcare in the afternoon.
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ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ€ๅˆๅพŒไฟ่‚ฒใŒใชใ„ไปŠใฏใ“ใฎใƒซใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:05
So my partner takes the children in the afternoon while I continue working and
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใŒไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’็ถšใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‚‹้–“ใ€ๅˆๅพŒใฏใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒๅญไพ›ใŸใกใ‚’
29:10
then we swap over at dinnertime and after the kids have gone to bed, he'll come out
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้€ฃใ‚Œใฆ่กŒใใ€ๅค•้ฃŸๆ™‚ใซไบคไปฃใ—ใ€ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใŒๅฏใŸๅพŒใ€ๅฝผใฏๅ‡บใฆใใฆใ€
29:15
and work for most of the evening where I'm in the house looking after the kids.
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ๅคœใฎใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎ้–“็งใŒๅฎถใงไธ–่ฉฑใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๅƒใใพใ™ใ€‚ๅญใฉใ‚‚ใŸใกใ€‚
29:19
Interesting.
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้ข็™ฝใ„ใ€‚
29:20
Yeah.
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29:20
That works quite nicely.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซใ†ใพใๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:21
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใƒชใ‚บใƒ ใซๅˆใ‚ใ›ใฆ่‰ฏใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
29:22
No, I think that's great to go with your rhythm.
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29:24
Who was, I think, I was at a conference recently and Dan
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ใƒ€ใƒณใฏ่ชฐใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ‚ซใƒณใƒ•ใ‚กใƒฌใƒณใ‚นใซๅ‡บๅธญใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
29:27
Pink, do you know who that is?
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ใƒ”ใƒณใ‚ฏใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ่ชฐใ ใ‹็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
29:28
Dan Pink, he's an author from the States.
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ใƒ€ใƒณใƒปใƒ”ใƒณใ‚ฏใ€ๅฝผใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซๅ‡บ่บซใฎไฝœๅฎถใงใ™ใ€‚
29:31
He did a talk on rhythms, understanding rhythms.
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ๅฝผใฏใƒชใ‚บใƒ ใซใคใ„ใฆใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใ€ใƒชใ‚บใƒ ใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
29:34
Some people being, he had another term for it, but the morning energy, the
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ไธ€้ƒจใฎไบบใ€…ใฏใ€ๅฝผใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅˆฅใฎ็”จ่ชžใง่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ๆœใฎใ‚จใƒใƒซใ‚ฎใƒผใ€
29:38
daytime energy and the evening energy.
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ๆ˜ผใฎใ‚จใƒใƒซใ‚ฎใƒผใ€ใใ—ใฆๅคœใฎใ‚จใƒใƒซใ‚ฎใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
29:40
And that our culture is really built around that daytime energy person.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใฎๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใฏใพใ•ใซๆ˜ผ้–“ใฎใ‚จใƒใƒซใ‚ฎใƒผใ‚’ๆŒใฃใŸไบบใ‚’ไธญๅฟƒใซๆง‹็ฏ‰ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
29:44
But if you are that night-time energy, like Michelle, my co-host, she is that.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅคœใฎใ‚จใƒใƒซใ‚ฎใƒผใซๆบ€ใกใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใฎๅ…ฑๅŒๅธไผš่€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใƒŸใ‚ทใ‚งใƒซใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใใ‚Œใงใ™ใ€‚
29:48
She does so much better in the evenings and you should honour that as much as
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏๅคœใฎใปใ†ใŒใšใฃใจไธŠๆ‰‹ใชใฎใงใ€ใงใใ‚‹้™ใ‚Šใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฐŠ้‡ใ—
29:52
you can and try to curate your day.
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ใ€ไธ€ๆ—ฅใ‚’ใ†ใพใ้Žใ”ใ™ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅŠชใ‚ใ‚‹ในใใงใ™ใ€‚
29:54
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
29:55
And so I guess the last piece of advice that I would recommend for people working
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ ๅœจๅฎ…
30:00
at home is effective communication and collaboration with other people.
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ๅ‹คๅ‹™ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใซ็งใŒใŠๅ‹งใ‚ใ™ใ‚‹ๆœ€ๅพŒใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใฏใ€ไป–ใฎไบบใ€…ใจใฎๅŠนๆžœ็š„ใชใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใจใ‚ณใƒฉใƒœใƒฌใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚็งใŸใกใฏ้žๅธธใซ้›ขใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใง
30:06
This is something I'm working on at the moment with my team
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ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒ็พๅœจใƒใƒผใƒ ใจไธ€็ท’ใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™
30:09
because we are so remote.
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ใ€‚
30:12
It can be very difficult.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
30:14
If I don't do things like this where I have, you know, face to face one
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ใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ€ๅฏพ้ขใง 1 ๅฏพ 1 ใงใ‚„ใ‚Šๅ–ใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ใ—ใชใ„ใจ
30:18
to one interaction, then sometimes a whole week can go by and I can feel
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ใ€ๅ ดๅˆใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆใฏไธธ 1 ้€ฑ้–“ใŒ้ŽใŽใฆใ—ใพใ„ใ€
30:22
very lonely in my work and detached.
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ไป•ไบ‹ไธญใซ้žๅธธใซๅญค็‹ฌใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆๅญค็ซ‹ใ—ใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
30:26
So, I think putting in like regular checkups and phone calls.
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ใงใ™ใฎใงใ€ๅฎšๆœŸๆคœ่จบใ‚„้›ป่ฉฑ้€ฃ็ตกใชใฉใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Šๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใฟใ‚ˆใ†ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:31
And being really clear with your team via communication is a must.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’้€šใ˜ใฆใƒใƒผใƒ ใจๆ˜Ž็ขบใซใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’ใจใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅฟ…้ ˆใงใ™ใ€‚
30:36
Totally.
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ๅฎŒๅ…จใซใ€‚
30:37
Yeah.
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30:37
We do, I do a one on one kind of more of a business meeting with
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใฏใ€ IELTS ๅฐ‚้–€ๅฎถใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ทใ‚ซ
30:42
Jessica, who is our IELTS expert.
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ใจ 1 ๅฏพ 1 ใงใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚น ใƒŸใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
30:44
She's on our other IELTS podcast and she also kind of helps
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ใ€‚ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ็งใŸใกใฎไป–ใฎ IELTS ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใซใ‚‚ๅ‡บๆผ”ใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€
30:48
make decisions in the business.
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ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใซใŠใ‘ใ‚‹ๆ„ๆ€ๆฑบๅฎšใซ
30:50
So, she and I will get together every Monday for half an hour and
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ใ‚‚ๅฝน็ซ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใงใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใจ็งใฏๆฏŽ้€ฑๆœˆๆ›œๆ—ฅใซ30ๅˆ†้›†ใพใฃใฆใ€
30:53
make decisions on what are we doing next month, that kind of thing.
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ๆฅๆœˆไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’ๆฑบๅฎšใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:57
And we're just experimenting now with monday.com, a task management system.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใŸใกใฏไปŠใ€ใ‚ฟใ‚นใ‚ฏ็ฎก็†ใ‚ทใ‚นใƒ†ใƒ  monday.com ใ‚’ๅฎŸ้จ“ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ“ใ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
31:02
I don't know if you've tried any of them, or Click Up.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ„ใšใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚’่ฉฆใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚‚่ฉฆใ—ใฆใฟใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹ใ€‚
31:04
I've heard of them.
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่žใ„ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€‚
31:05
I use Notion.
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็งใฏใƒŽใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
31:06
Notion.
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ๆฆ‚ๅฟตใ€‚
31:07
Okay.
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31:07
All right.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
ใ‚ˆใ—ใ€‚
31:08
And you've been happy with that one?
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œใงๆบ€่ถณใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
31:09
Oh my goodness.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใชใ‚“ใฆใ“ใฃใŸใ€‚
31:10
It makes such difference.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅคงใใช้•ใ„ใ‚’็”Ÿใฟใพใ™ใ€‚
31:11
I don't know how I ever managed without Notion in the past or any
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ใ“ใ‚Œใพใง Notion ใ‚„ใ€
31:16
of these kind of task management or project management tools.
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ใ“ใฎ็จฎใฎใ‚ฟใ‚นใ‚ฏ็ฎก็†ใƒ„ใƒผใƒซใ‚„ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆ็ฎก็†ใƒ„ใƒผใƒซ
31:19
I think there's a little bit of a learning curve that you have to go through to
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ใชใ—ใงใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใฎใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
31:23
understand how to actually use them.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹
31:26
But once you've got that down, then it really, if you have a more complicated
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ใซใฏใ€ๅฐ‘ใ—ๅญฆ็ฟ’ๆ›ฒ็ทšใ‚’็ตŒใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไธ€ๅบฆใใ‚Œใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š่ค‡้›‘ใช
31:32
system or project, then it does help to have something like that.
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ใ‚ทใ‚นใƒ†ใƒ ใ‚„ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๅฎŸ้š›ใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใกใพใ™ใ€‚
31:36
It's much better than, you know, just having one...
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็ด™ ใ‚’ใŸใ ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใฏใ‚‹ใ‹ใซๅ„ชใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™
31:39
Paper!
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31:39
Huge Google document or something or paper, yeah!
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ใ€‚ ๅทจๅคงใช Google ใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฅใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใ€ใพใŸใฏ็ด™ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™๏ผ
31:43
Yes.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚
31:44
Yeah.
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31:44
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
31:45
So, thank you so much for discussing all of that with me today.
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ„ใ‚ใ„ใ‚ใช่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
31:50
And hopefully the listeners have gained some interesting vocabulary
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒชใ‚นใƒŠใƒผใŒ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„่ชžๅฝ™
31:55
and some good tips for staying healthy and effective when working from home.
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ใ‚„ใ€ๅœจๅฎ…ๅ‹คๅ‹™ไธญใซๅฅๅบทใจๅŠนๆžœใ‚’็ถญๆŒใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎ่‰ฏใ„ใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:00
So, Lindsay, if somebody is listening to you and they haven't heard your voice
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใƒชใƒณใ‚ธใƒผใ€่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใ„ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฃฐใ‚’่žใ„ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰
32:06
before, which would be very unusual, but if they haven't, where can they find you?
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ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซ็ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚‚ใ—่žใ„ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ๅ ดๅˆใ€ใฉใ“ใงใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
32:09
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
32:10
Thanks again, Anna, for having me on and your listeners can go ahead and just open
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€็งใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚ใƒชใ‚นใƒŠใƒผใฏ
32:14
the search bar wherever you're listening.
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ใฉใ“ใง่žใ„ใฆใ„ใฆใ‚‚ๆคœ็ดขใƒใƒผใ‚’้–‹ใ„ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
32:16
If you're listening in the podcast, open that search bar, type in All Ears English,
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ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ๆคœ็ดขใƒใƒผใ‚’้–‹ใ„ใฆใ€ŒAll Ears Englishใ€ใจๅ…ฅๅŠ›ใ™ใ‚‹
32:21
and you will see three shows come up.
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ใจใ€3 ใคใฎ็•ช็ต„ใŒ่กจ็คบใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
32:23
You'll see a lot of yellow.
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้ป„่‰ฒใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“่ฆ‹ใˆใพใ™ใญใ€‚
32:24
That is our colour.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŸใกใฎ่‰ฒใงใ™ใ€‚
32:26
You can subscribe to the main show, All Ears English, and
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ใƒกใ‚คใƒณ็•ช็ต„ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ All Ears English ใ‚’่ณผ่ชญใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ€
32:29
we publish four days a week.
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้€ฑใซ 4 ๆ—ฅ้…ไฟกใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
32:31
If you're on YouTube, you can type in that search bar, just All Ears English Podcast,
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YouTube ใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ๆคœ็ดขใƒใƒผใซใ€ŒAll Ears English Podcastใ€ใจๅ…ฅๅŠ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€
32:36
and you'll find us over there too.
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ใใ“ใซใ‚‚็งใŸใกใŒ่ฆ‹ใคใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
32:37
So, thanks again, Anna, for having me on.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€็งใ‚’้€ฃใ‚Œใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
32:40
Thank you.
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32:40
This has been a great chat.
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32:41
We should do it more often.
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ใ‚‚ใฃใจ้ ป็นใซใ‚„ใ‚‹ในใใงใ™ใ€‚
32:42
Yeah, it really has.
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32:42
Yeah.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใใ†ใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใงๅˆฅใฎๅฐใ•ใชใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
32:43
And we did actually do another little chat over on your podcast.
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32:47
So, I'll put the link to that particular episode down in the
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ ็งใŸใก 2 ไบบใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚‚ใฃใจ่žใใŸใ„ไบบใŒใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€
32:51
description if anyone is interested in hearing more from the two of us.
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ใใฎ็‰นๅฎšใฎใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใธใฎใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใ‚’่ชฌๆ˜Žใซ่จ˜่ผ‰ใ—ใพใ™ ใ€‚
32:54
Perfect.
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32:54
So, thank you.
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ๅฎŒ็’งใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:55
Have a great day.
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ใ™ใฆใใชไธ€ๆ—ฅใ‚’ใ€‚
32:58
And for those of you listening, take very good care and goodbye.
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33:02
Alright, thanks Anna.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€‚
33:03
Bye.
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