Native English Conversation with Lindsay (All Ears English): Remote work

Hello, and welcome to The English Like a Native Podcast, the listening

您好，欢迎来到“像母语一样的英语播客”，这是

resource for intermediate to advanced-level English learners.

面向中级到高级英语学习者的听力资源。

My name is Anna and today we are joined by a very special guest.

我叫安娜，今天我们迎来了一位非常特别的客人。

We have Lindsay McMahon, who is the co-host of All Ears English.

我们有林赛·麦克马洪 (Lindsay McMahon)，她是《All Ears English》节目的联合主持人。

Now, the All Ears English Podcast is downloaded 4 million times per month

现在，All Ears English Podcast 每月下载量达 400 万次

and has been ranked in the Best of Apple Podcasts categories in 2018 and 2019.

，在 2018 年和 2019 年的 Apple 最佳播客类别中排名第一，

As well as number one in the U.

并且在美国教育语言课程中排名

S.

Education Language Courses.

第一 。

Lindsay and her team provide courses and podcasts on IELTS, Business

Lindsay 和她的团队提供有关雅思、商务

English and English fluency with a focus on connection, not perfection.

英语和英语流利度的课程和播客，重点是联系，而不是完美。

Hi, Lindsay.

嗨，林赛。

Thank you for joining us.

感谢您加入我们。

Hello, Anna.

你好，安娜。

Thanks for having me on your show.

谢谢你邀请我参加你的节目。

I'm excited to be here.

我很高兴来到这里。

I'm really excited to have you with us once again, cause you joined me,

我真的很高兴你能再次和我们在一起，因为你加入我，

it must've been over a year ago now.

已经过去一年多了。

Yeah, it must've been 2022 or 2021.

是的，那一定是 2022 年或 2021 年了。

We talked about breakfast foods in the UK and the US, I believe.

我相信我们谈论了英国和美国的早餐食品。

We did.

我们做到了。

It's always interesting to look at the differences between British and American

研究英国和美国

things and words because we're so similar and yet so different in many ways.

事物和词语之间的差异总是很有趣，因为我们在很多方面如此相似，但又如此不同。

Absolutely.

绝对地。

But today we're going to talk about something that affects people globally,

但今天我们要讨论的是影响全球人民的事情，

and it's basically remote working because the pandemic, which hit all of us, was

它基本上是远程工作，因为这场袭击了我们所有人的大流行病导致

responsible for many changes to the way in which we live our lives, most notably,

了我们生活方式的许多变化，最值得注意的是

the rise in popularity of remote working.

，远程工作的流行。

Yes.

是的。

During lockdown, businesses had no choice but to adapt to that physical distancing

在封锁期间，企业别无选择，只能适应

of its workforce, with everyone, including the technophobes, having to get up to

员工之间的物理距离，每个人，包括技术恐惧者，都必须跟上

speed with the latest technology in order to function professionally from home.

最新技术的步伐，以便在家中专业地运作。

So, Lindsay, what is your current work situation and have you been impacted by

那么，Lindsay，您目前的工作状况如何？您是否受到

this shift towards working from home?

这种在家工作转变的影响？

Well, yeah, to be honest, I have not been super impacted because we were

嗯，是的，说实话，我并没有受到太大的影响，因为我们是

a pre-pandemic, online business.

大流行前的在线企业。

All Ears English was born on the Internet.

众耳英语诞生于互联网。

All Ears English was born as a podcast, in fact, and our website and

事实上，All Ears English 是作为播客诞生的，我们的网站和

our courses business grew around it.

课程业务都是围绕它发展的。

And so, from the start, we created All Ears English just in Boston.

因此，从一开始，我们就在波士顿创建了 All Ears English。

At the time, my co-host, my original co-host was physically in Boston.

当时，我的共同主持人，我原来的共同主持人实际上在波士顿。

So, yeah, we did come together to record episodes.

所以，是的，我们确实聚在一起录制剧集。

But after a year, I had had two or three of my current co-hosts join me from

但一年后，我有两三个现任共同主持人从

remote locations, Portland, Oregon, Jessica's in Portland, Michelle's in

偏远地区加入我，俄勒冈州波特兰，杰西卡在波特兰，米歇尔在

New York and Aubrey is in Arizona.

纽约，奥布里在亚利桑那州。

So, we've always been online.

所以，我们一直都在线。

The only difference is that as a recruiting tactic, if we want to

唯一的区别是，作为一种招聘策略，如果我们想让

have new members of our team join, it's a little less flashy, that we

团队的新成员加入，那就不那么华而不实了，我们

are an online business, that we're a location independent business, right?

是一家在线企业，我们是一家独立于地点的企业，对吧？

It's not an edge anymore.

这不再是边缘了。

It's expected now to have that flexibility.

现在预计将具有这种灵活性。

So, we've lost that.

所以，我们已经失去了这一点。

Yeah.

是的。

I found, although I did work on the internet beforehand, there

我发现，虽然我之前在互联网上工作过，但

were a couple of my businesses that folded because of the pandemic.

我的一些生意却因为疫情而倒闭了。

Really?

真的吗？

So, two of my channels were very much dependent on the team coming

因此，我的两个频道非常依赖团队齐心协力

together and working in the same space.

并在同一空间工作。

Hmm.

唔。

So the pandemic was responsible for English Like a Native pretty

因此，这场大流行导致《像当地人一样英语》几乎

much becoming my sole focus really.

成为我真正关注的唯一焦点。

Yeah.

sometimes it's good to have one sole focus.

是的。

有时候，专注于一个事情是件好事。

It can be hard to be very stretched across multiple projects and businesses.

跨多个项目和业务可能很难。

My partner on the other hand, worked very much in a corporate, nine-to-five,

另一方面，我的合作伙伴则在

London-based job, Monday to Friday.

周一至周五在伦敦从事朝九晚五的公司工作。

But when I say nine-to-five, you're following what I mean with that.

但当我说朝九晚五时，你就明白了我的意思。

Oh, of course.

哦，当然。

Yes.

Yeah.

是的。

是的。

So, nine-to-five, for the listeners is, just that kind of

所以，朝九晚五，对于听众来说，就是那种

standard start and finish time.

标准的开始和结束时间。

You start at 9am, you finish at 5pm, which in the past was the norm.

早上 9 点开始，下午 5 点结束，这在过去是常态。

Most people worked from Monday to Friday, nine-to-five.

大多数人从周一到周五，朝九晚五地工作。

Yes.

是的。

These days it's very different, especially with the rise of remote working.

如今情况已大不相同，尤其是随着远程工作的兴起。

It's really changing.

它真的在改变。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

People have really flexible hours.

是的。 人们的工作时间非常灵活。

What kind of hours do you work, Lindsay?

林赛，你的工作时间是怎样的？

I work.

我的工作。

It feels like I work about eight to six.

感觉我工作时间大约是八点到六点。

Yeah.

I feel like I've taken the nine-to-five and expanded it.

是的。 我觉得我已经把朝九晚五的工作模式扩大了。

I work a lot, Anna.

我工作很多，安娜。

I do.

But I love what I do.

我愿意。

但我热爱我所做的事情。

You know, I feel inspired.

你知道，我感到受到启发。

I feel inspired getting on the podcast.

我在播客上受到了启发。

I feel inspired as a leader of All Ears English, you know, helping my

作为 All Ears English 的领导者，我感到很受鼓舞，你知道，帮助我的

team grow, growing the business.

团队成长，发展业务。

So, I enjoy the work, but I do sometimes go and grab like a yoga

所以，我喜欢这份工作，但有时我确实会像瑜伽课一样去参加

class or I try to in the middle of the day and I can do that, of course.

，或者我尝试在中午做，当然，我可以做到。

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that's one of the benefits of remote working is that you can be a

是的。

是的。

嗯，远程工作的好处之一是，您可以更加

little bit more flexible with your, with your time and decide when is more

灵活地安排自己的时间，并决定何时更

appropriate for you to be working.

适合您工作。

And, does that allow you to do something more interesting or

这是否能让你做一些

beneficial to your personal life?

对你的个人生活更有趣或更有益的事情？

A hundred percent.

Like picking the children up from school or taking a yoga class?

百分之一百。

比如接孩子放学或参加瑜伽课？

I think even just taking a walk, I feel like in the old school way of

我想即使只是散步，我也感觉像老式的

doing things, the nine-to-five, right?

做事方式，朝九晚五，对吧？

People were going into work in the building.

人们正在大楼里上班。

Even if you wanted to probably go for a walk, I feel that might have been strange.

即使你想出去散步，我也觉得这可能很奇怪。

I really didn't participate in that world, to be honest.

说实话，我真的没有参与过那个世界。

You know, I had part time jobs when I lived in New York.

你知道，我住在纽约时有兼职工作。

I taught at English schools.

我在英语学校教书。

I taught tennis for a while.

我教过一段时间网球。

I never had a traditional nine-to-five in the corporate world.

我在企业界从来没有过传统的朝九晚五的生活。

So, I'm not sure.

所以，我不确定。

But it seems to me just leaving to go for a walk through the

但在我看来，仅仅离开去公园散步

park might have been strange.

可能会很奇怪。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

And you really have to just go with what's accepted in that particular

是的。

你确实必须遵循特定

workplace or what's allowed.

工作场所所接受或允许的内容。

. Yes.

。是的。

Yes.

I've done a number of different jobs and some of them have been very restrictive.

是的。

我做过很多不同的工作，其中一些工作的限制非常严格。

Like when I worked in a factory back when I was a teenager and that was like

就像我十几岁的时候在一家工厂工作一样，这可能是

probably the worst work I've ever done in a dark factory on a production line where

我在黑暗工厂的生产线上做过的最糟糕的工作，

you are literally working to a clock.

你实际上是在按时钟工作。

Wow.

That would buzz when it hit the time when you're allowed to go for

哇。 当你被允许短暂休息时，它会发出嗡嗡声；

a quick break and buzz when you had to be back on the production line.

当你必须回到生产线上时，它会发出嗡嗡声。

It was very, very oppressive work.

这是非常非常压抑的工作。

That is super intense.

那是超级激烈的。

Wow.

Yeah.

哇。

是的。

But one of the things, for my partner particularly that made a big

但对我的伴侣来说，特别是

difference when he started working from home was the lack of the commute.

当他开始在家工作时，影响很大的一件事是缺乏通勤。

That made a big difference to his life because before he would have to be in the

这对他的生活产生了很大的影响，因为在此之前他必须

office at eight o'clock in the morning.

在早上八点

So, he was leaving before the children were even awake, and then he'd finish

到达办公室 。 所以，在孩子们还没睡醒之前，他就出发了，然后他会

at 5:30, 6 o'clock, and he would have this long commute home, it would take

在五点三十分、六点钟结束，他要花很长的时间回家，需要

over an hour, and so the children were then in bed when he arrived back.

一个多小时，所以孩子们就在那时当他回来时，他已经躺在床上了。

So, sometimes he would go a whole week without seeing his kids.

因此，有时他会整整一周都看不到孩子们。

Really?

真的吗？

Yeah.

是的。

For him, that was really hard because at the weekends, then the

对他来说，这真的很难，因为到了周末，

children were like, who are you?

孩子们就会问，你是谁？

It really impacted his bond with the kids.

这确实影响了他和孩子们的关系。

And so now, working from home, which has continued, he's managed to build this

现在，他继续在家工作，成功地

really strong bond with his children.

与孩子们建立了这种真正牢固的联系。

He doesn't have to waste two, three hours of his day just

他不必浪费一天的两三个小时

sitting on a busy tube and train.

坐在繁忙的地铁和火车上。

Yeah, and I think that's the reason I think it's the bonds that people

是的，我认为这就是人们

were able to build with their family.

能够与家人建立联系的原因。

That's the reason that honestly, there's no going back.

这就是说实话，没有回头路的原因。

Absolutely.

绝对地。

I think the working world will never look the same.

我认为工作世界将永远不会一样。

There'll be different versions and we'll talk today, I'm sure, about

将会有不同的版本，我确信我们今天将讨论

hybrid work and different variations of that, but it'll never look the same.

混合工作及其不同的变体，但它永远不会看起来相同。

And I think people didn't quite realise that when the pandemic kind of came

我认为人们并没有完全意识到，当大流行结束时

down, we thought I will be home for a week, we'll be home for two weeks.

，我们以为我会在家呆一周，我们会在家呆两周。

No.

Mm-hmm.

不，

嗯嗯。

Total change, yeah.

彻底改变，是的。

It really changed the face of everything.

它确实改变了一切的面貌。

Like, London started to change, office buildings started closing down when

就像，伦敦开始发生变化，当

businesses realised, actually, we don't have to be paying a fortune to

企业意识到实际上我们不必花一大笔钱来支付办公空间的成本时， 办公楼开始关闭，

cover the costs of office space when actually we can be almost just as

而实际上我们几乎可以像

productive with our workforce at home and doing like occasional on-site work.

在家中与我们的员工一起高效工作，就像偶尔进行现场工作一样。

Yes.

是的。 所以，你提到了混合动力。

So, you mentioned hybrids.

Can you explain that phrase?

你能解释一下这句话吗？

So, the concept of hybrid is what a lot of workplaces are adopting now, which

因此，混合的概念是许多工作场所现在正在采用的概念，这

means it's any mix of going into the work.

意味着它可以混合工作。

Generally, what I see is, you know, two or three times a week in the

一般来说，我看到的是，你知道，每周在办公室工作两到三次

office and then working at home for the remainder of the week.

，然后在一周的剩余时间里在家工作。

And I think, this works out great because you do miss something when

我认为，这效果很好，因为当

you're a hundred percent remote online.

你百分百远程在线时，你确实会错过一些东西。

I, you know, I feel like I missed something in terms of social

我，你知道，我觉得我在社交

interaction, sometimes working, but we're a small company.

互动方面错过了一些东西，有时在工作方面，但我们是一家小公司。

I worry a little bit about people getting started with their career

我有点担心人们

when they're 100 percent remote.

在百分百远程的情况下开始自己的职业生涯。

Yeah, yeah, it does have an impact.

是啊是啊，确实有影响。

So, we'll come on to the cons a little later.

所以，我们稍后会讨论缺点。

Yeah, for sure.

But I do think that cost saving is one of the benefits of work working remotely.

耶，当然了。

但我确实认为节省成本是远程工作的好处之一。

Although, I wonder how much as an individual, as an employee, you're

不过，我想知道作为个人、作为一名员工，你能

saving, because initially you're like, well, I'm saving on my train

节省多少钱，因为最初你会想，好吧，我在火车票上省了

tickets and I'm saving on my lunch.

，我在午餐上省了。

I'm not buying my coffees and my lunch out.

我不会出去买咖啡和午餐。

Right.

正确的。 但我意识到你实际上整天都在家里。

But I realised that actually you're at home all day.

You have the heating on all day.

你整天都开着暖气。

You're eating at home.

Fair point.

你在家里吃饭。

有道理。

So, you're still buying food that you have to eat.

所以，你仍然在买你必须吃的食物。

You're powering your life and if you need a lot of equipment, that's a lot

您为自己的生活提供动力，如果您需要大量设备，那么

of stuff that you're having to pay for.

您就必须支付大量费用。

Internet.

互联网。

Needing better internet.

需要更好的互联网。

So there are more costs attached to working from home.

因此，在家工作会产生更多成本。

Yeah, I totally agree.

是的，我完全同意。

So, I think wear and tear on your equipment, your laptop as well.

因此，我认为您的设备和笔记本电脑也会出现磨损。

When I think about cost savings, I actually think

当我考虑节省成本时，我实际上想到的

about employer cost savings.

是雇主的成本节省。

The company is saving money.

公司正在省钱。

It's not so much...

没那么多……

Absolutely.

I think employees are saving time.

绝对是的。

我认为员工正在节省时间。

Yes, they're getting that commute time.

是的，他们有通勤时间。

They're getting three hours back, which is a big deal, but I think it's

他们可以节省三个小时，这是一件大事，但我认为是

the companies that are saving money.

公司节省了钱。

There's a really interesting podcast.

有一个非常有趣的播客。

Maybe I could recommend it to your listeners.

也许我可以把它推荐给你的听众。

It's called Fixable.

这就是所谓的“可修复”。

It's hosted by a Harvard Business School professor and a business consultant.

会议由哈佛商学院教授和商业顾问主持。

And they actually had an episode where they talked about, they interviewed

他们实际上有一集谈论了他们采访了

bosses, like company owners, and they gave them advice on how do

老板，比如公司老板，并就如何

you run a company post pandemic.

在大流行后经营公司提供了建议。

How do you keep your employees engaged?

如何让员工保持敬业度？

Bring them into the office maybe once a quarter and you have to have amazing food.

也许每个季度把它们带到办公室一次，你就必须有美味的食物。

You have to have all these amazing things, right, to engage them.

你必须拥有所有这些令人惊奇的东西，对吧，才能吸引他们。

And that day is supposed to be more about them rather than their skill

那天应该更多地关注他们，而不是他们的技能

development rather than your company.

发展，而不是你的公司。

It's very complex now what bosses have to deal with.

现在老板们要处理的事情非常复杂。

It's really interesting.

这真的很有趣。

That sounds amazing.

It reminds me actually of YouTube.

听起来很神奇。

它实际上让我想起了 YouTube。

So, I've been working on YouTube for a long time and they host these incredible

所以，我在 YouTube 上工作了很长时间，他们举办了这些令人难以置信的

events where they get you to come in and you'll talk about strategies

活动，让你进来，你会谈论策略

or, you know, celebrate things.

，或者，你知道，庆祝一些事情。

But they put on always an amazing array of food and drinks and entertainment.

但他们总是提供一系列令人惊叹的食物、饮料和娱乐活动。

And so, you go, even if it's not a workshop you're that interested in that

所以，你去吧，即使这不是你感兴趣的研讨会，你

you go just because it's an incredible event and you feel so special and yeah.

去只是因为这是一个令人难以置信的活动，你感觉很特别，是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Things have changed a lot and that's kind of what work looks like or what the

事情已经发生了很大的变化，这就是工作或工作场所

workplace looks like now and then I think a lot of the work gets done at home.

现在的样子，然后我认为很多工作都是在家里完成的。

Which is the hybrid model, yeah.

这是混合模型，是的。

Do you think that working from home increases productivity or do you

您认为在家工作会提高生产力还是只会

think it just encourages people to kind of slack off and be lazy?

鼓励人们偷懒和懒惰？

I think, you know, some of the research is coming out that it's,

我认为，你知道，一些研究结果表明，

they're not completely sure, like they're starting to question that.

他们并不完全确定，就像他们开始质疑这一点一样。

I think there was sort of an assumption that yes, it definitely is going to

我认为有一种假设是，它肯定会

increase productivity, but I think the research is starting to challenge that,

提高生产力，但我认为研究正在开始挑战这一点，

especially a hundred percent remote.

尤其是百分百远程。

When it's hybrid.

当它是混合动力时。

I think the research is starting to show that, you know, we're not

我认为研究开始表明，我们不一定会

losing productivity necessarily, but if we're a hundred percent

失去生产力，但如果我们百分百

remote, we might lose it more.

偏远，我们可能会损失更多。

So, I think it's too early to tell, right?

所以，我认为现在下结论还为时过早，对吗？

When we gather data, we have to gather it over years and years and years.

当我们收集数据时，我们必须年复一年地收集数据。

I think, at least, five years to really see.

我想，至少需要五年的时间才能真正看到。

Yeah.

I mean, I know, and this is moving into the cons of working from

是的。

我的意思是，我知道，这正在进入在家工作的缺点

home that I struggle to detach my work life from my personal life.

，我努力将工作生活与个人生活分开。

So, I'll be working in the office, which is down at the bottom of the

所以，我将在花园底部的办公室工作

garden, and the doorbell will go.

，门铃会响。

And so, I run up to the door in case it's a delivery or something.

所以，我跑到门口，以防有送货之类的事情。

And it might be a neighbour from down the street who just popped in for a chat

可能是街上的邻居突然过来聊天

and I'm kind of like, uh, it's not, I'm actually in the middle of a meeting or

，我有点像，呃，不是，我实际上正在开会，或者

I'm just about to start a meeting or I'm just in the middle of writing a script.

我正要开始会议或者我正在写剧本。

You've just disturbed me.

你刚才打扰了我。

Right.

Or I know that there's laundry that's just finished a cycle that needs to

正确的。 或者我知道有些衣服刚刚完成一个周期，需要

go into the dryer and if I leave it until later, it will take longer.

进入烘干机，如果我把它留到以后，就会需要更长的时间。

So, just do it now.

所以，现在就做吧。

And so you get distracted by, you know, the house and your personal life.

所以你会因为房子和个人生活而分心。

Right.

Which is what never wouldn't have happened before, of course.

正确的。

当然，这是以前从未发生过的事情。

Yeah.

是的。

Sometimes I'll see funny memes on Instagram of like a mother, like a

有时我会在 Instagram 上看到一些有趣的表情包，比如一位母亲，一位

60 year old mom and a young, like a 25 year old professional working

60 岁的妈妈，以及一位年轻的，比如一位 25 岁的专业人士

from home and she'll be like,

在家工作，她会说，

"Mom, I'm working."

"What do you mean you're working?

“妈妈，我在工作。”

“你说你在工作是什么意思？

You're at home."

你在家里。”

Like she's just hilarious.

就像她只是搞笑一样。

So funny.

Yeah.

太有趣了。 是的。

Yeah.

是的。

But I guess.

但我猜。

The one last thing to say about the positive side of working remotely,

关于远程工作的积极方面的最后一件事，

and this is something that I'm potentially looking at now is, that

我现在可能会考虑的是，

when you are completely remote and you don't have to go and be on site

当您完全远程工作时，您不必

on a regular basis, then you are free to go anywhere you want to go.

定期 去现场 ，然后你就可以自由地去任何你想去的地方了。

And you're no longer chained to these expensive !Commuter belts, as we call

而且您不再受这些昂贵的通勤带的束缚，我们称之为通勤带

them, the areas around these big cities where you're living, and then you

，您居住的这些大城市周围的区域，然后您

commute into the big cities and they are notoriously expensive places to live.

通勤到大城市，它们是出了名的居住昂贵的地方。

And so, I'm a lover of the great outdoors, the mountains, the coast,

因此，我是户外活动、山脉、海岸的爱好者，

I love nature, and I'm living on the outskirts of London in the commuter belt.

我热爱大自然，而且我住在伦敦郊区的通勤带上。

And now my partner is no longer working for the corporate, so he is now free.

现在我的合伙人不再为公司工作，所以他现在自由了。

And I'm completely remote.

而我完全处于远程状态。

So, we have this opportunity now to consider where do we want to live?

那么，我们现在有机会考虑一下我们想住在哪里吗？

What country do we want to live in?

我们想生活在哪个国家？

And the only consideration I have to think of is, do they have good internet?

我唯一要考虑的是，他们的网络好吗？

Yeah.

是的。

Which is a lot of places.

这是很多地方。

I mean, the world is your oyster, as we say.

我的意思是，正如我们所说，世界是你的牡蛎。

That's amazing.

太棒了。

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

绝对地。

绝对地。

Yeah, that's a really great phrase.

是的，这真是一个很棒的短语。

The world is my oyster.

世界是我的牡蛎。

We've seen this in the States, right?

我们在美国也看到过这种情况，对吗？

So this is going to be a profound shift in migration patterns, at least within the U.

因此，这将是移民模式的深刻转变，至少在美国境内是这样。

S.

We've seen people leave, let's say, let's take San Francisco.

我们 已经看到人们离开，比方说，以旧金山为例。

That was where all the Silicon Valley workers were living.

那是所有硅谷工人居住的地方。

They don't have to be there anymore.

他们不必再在那里了。

People are, there's a mass exodus out of California, not just

人们大批离开加州，不仅仅是

because of remote work, because of earthquakes, because of wildfires.

因为远程工作、地震、野火。

There's a lot going on that's just making California a hard place to live.

发生了很多事情，使得加州成为一个难以居住的地方。

So what are the next cities?

那么接下来的城市是哪些？

People are going to Texas.

人们要去德克萨斯州。

It's going to change everything around real estate.

它将改变房地产周围的一切。

Right.

正确的。 这真的很有趣。

It's really interesting.

What are the hotspots?

热点有哪些？

Where do people want to live?

人们想住在哪里？

What do they want in their life?

他们的生活想要什么？

Are they eventually going to miss the city and come back to it?

他们最终会想念这座城市并回到它吗？

It's fascinating.

这很有趣。

Really going to have an impact.

确实会有影响。

So, some of the cons then, we talked about the fact that you can get

因此，我们讨论了一些缺点，即

distracted when you're working from home.

在家工作时您可能会分心。

Yes.

是的。

I find it quite challenging.

我觉得这很有挑战性。

Do you have a busy household?

你的家庭很忙碌吗？

Do you find it distracting working from home?

您觉得在家工作会分散您的注意力吗？

I do.

Yeah.

So, my partner also now is hybrid.

我愿意。

是的。 所以，我的伴侣现在也是混血儿。

Right.

Okay.

正确的。

好的。

So, my partner's here working next door two or three days a week

所以，我的伴侣每周在隔壁工作两三天

and that's, I actually like that.

，我真的很喜欢这样。

I like having my partner around, but I am engaged with some family stuff

我喜欢有我的伴侣在身边，但我 现在 正在处理一些家庭事务

right now, like supporting my parents as they're getting older and things

，比如支持我的父母，因为他们正在变老

just come into my personal email during the day and I do address those things.

，白天事情就会进入我的个人电子邮件，我会处理这些事情。

Like I'll get on a call with a lawyer in the middle of the day and

就像我会在中午与律师通电话，

I think I shouldn't but I have to.

我认为我不应该这样做，但我必须这样做。

I'm not sure what I would have done otherwise, if I had to

如果我必须 进入企业界

go into the corporate world.

，我不确定我会做什么

So, yeah, I let things come in to my space.

。 所以，是的，我让东西进入我的空间。

I get distracted.

我分心了。

Yes.

Yeah, that's really hard, isn't it?

是的。 是的，这真的很难，不是吗？

And then I find that because I'm distracted by things during the day in my

然后我发现，由于白天的

personal life, I end up pushing my work into the evening or into the weekend.

个人生活让我分心，我最终把工作推到了晚上或周末。

And so then my work life balance completely goes off.

然后我的工作和生活就完全失去了平衡。

Would you say that's every weekend that you push it in?

你会说这是你每个周末都会推的吗？

Or just sometimes when there's like a big launch or something, what does

或者有时当有大型发布或其他活动时，

that end up looking like for you?

对您来说最终会是什么样子？

I would say that the majority of the time, unless it's a special

我想说的是，大多数时候，除非是特殊

occasion, for example, over Christmas or during the school holidays, when

场合，例如圣诞节或学校放假期间，

the children are taking a break from their childcare settings.

孩子们从托儿所休息时。

The majority of the time I have to give extra time to my work because

大多数时候，我必须花额外的时间来工作，因为

when you own a business, when you run a business, the buck stops with you.

当你拥有一家企业，当你经营一家企业时，责任就在你身上。

If don't address the problems and the business will fail and it will be

如果不解决这些问题，企业就会失败，并且

detrimental to everyone who you employ.

对您雇用的每个人都不利。

Correct.

正确的。

So, you know, it's very hard to find the balance, but some days I

所以，你知道，找到平衡是非常困难的，但有些时候我确实

do say, you know, like this weekend I'm going to really focus on my

会说，你知道，就像这个周末，我会真正专注于我的

family and I switch the phone off.

家人，然后我就会关掉手机。

I don't come down to the office.

我不去办公室。

I make sure there's no meetings put in on those times, but it is something I

我确保在这些时间里没有召开会议，但我必须

have to actively seek that work-life balance, you know, getting it right.

积极寻求工作与生活的平衡，你知道，做到正确。

Sometimes work takes over to a point where I don't do exercise for weeks.

有时工作让我几周都没有锻炼。

Yeah.

I don't sleep very well and then I'm start to feel it and think,

是的。

我睡得不太好，然后我开始感觉到并想，

no, I need to sort this out again.

不，我需要再次解决这个问题。

Yeah, self care.

是的，自我照顾。

One thing that helped with me, I have the same issue.

对我有帮助的一件事，我也有同样的问题。

I, often, my family just doesn't allow me to work on the weekend, so I can't.

我经常，我的家人不允许我在周末工作，所以我不能。

No, it's not an option.

不，这不是一个选择。

But this weekend, for example, I'll need to work for sure.

但例如这个周末，我肯定需要工作。

Just due to the holiday.

只是因为放假。

And then taking a day off in the middle of January, I just need it.

然后在一月中旬休息一天，我只需要它。

One thing that's helped me though, is taking my work email off my phone.

不过，对我有帮助的一件事是从手机上删除我的工作电子邮件。

So, when I am out on the weekend or on the evening, just doing something

因此，当我周末或晚上外出，只是做一些

personal, I can't check my work email.

私人事情时，我无法查看我的工作电子邮件。

And that's a change that I made about two years ago.

这是我大约两年前做出的改变。

And I don't miss it at all.

我一点也不怀念它。

Like I couldn't take care of it anyways, so, why check it?

反正我也无法照顾它，所以为什么要检查它呢？

Why know if there's a fire brewing or something, right?

为什么要知道是否有火在酝酿或发生什么，对吗？

Yeah.

That's a really, really good tip actually.

是的。

这实际上是一个非常非常好的建议。

Something I should probably do.

我可能应该做的事情。

But then again, all my team have my phone number.

但话又说回来，我的所有团队都有我的电话号码。

Mm.

Do they text you all the time?

毫米。

他们总是给你发短信吗？

Even, okay.

甚至，好吧。

Hmm.

Interesting.

唔。 有趣的。

They're quite good.

And actually, I prefer to be in the know about what's happening.

他们很好。

事实上，我更愿意了解正在发生的事情。

Yeah.

是的。 总比没有。

Than not.

Yes, of course.

是的当然。

Because I'm just so involved, but it would be good sometimes to be

因为我太投入了，但有时 能够完全关闭

able just to completely switch off.

会很好 。

Yes.

是的。

And I guess we're lucky.

我想我们很幸运。

You mentioned that your family, you know, tell you, you can't work

你提到你的家人告诉你，你不能工作

and you have people to intervene if you're working too hard.

，如果你工作太辛苦，有人会介入。

And it's the same for me.

对我来说也是一样。

My partner will say to me sometimes, or my kids will be like,

我的伴侣有时会对我说，或者我的孩子会说，

"Mummy, can't work today.

“妈妈，今天不能工作。

Want to spend time with you."

想和你共度时光。”

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

Some people work, are living alone and don't have that.

有些人工作、独自生活，却没有这些。

And I guess in those cases, remote working can lead to feeling

我想在这些情况下，远程工作可能会导致感到

very isolated and lonely because they're not seeing anybody all day.

非常孤立和孤独，因为他们整天见不到任何人。

Oh, a hundred percent.

哦，百分之一百。

I worry about that, right.

我担心这个，对吧。

I imagine, you know, I'm really thankful that I live with my family

我想，你知道，我真的很感激我和家人住在一起

and that I get pulled away and they create plans for me, right?

，我被拉走，他们为我制定了计划，对吗？

They just say, we're doing this on Friday night.

他们只是说，我们在周五晚上这样做。

You're not working.

你没工作。

And so, thank goodness for that.

所以，谢天谢地。

But yeah, I think that that is a big con and a danger actually,

但是，是的，我认为这实际上是一个很大的骗局和危险，

now that people have gone remote.

因为人们已经远离了。

For sure.

一定。

Yeah.

Especially when it comes to like mental health problems, it could

是的。

尤其是当涉及到心理健康问题时，它

definitely lead to a rise in feeling depressed because loneliness definitely

肯定会导致抑郁感上升，因为孤独肯定

leads to depression and anxiety.

会导致抑郁和焦虑。

And you mentioned earlier about feeling concerned for people who are

您之前提到过对刚

just entering into the workplace.

进入职场的人感到关心。

So, those people who spent years and years studying and then come into the

因此，那些花了数年时间学习然后进入工作

workplace, but are instantly thrown into remote working, they definitely miss out

场所，但立即投入远程工作的人，他们肯定错过了

on this opportunity to kind of network and find mentors and build those relationships

这个建立人际网络、寻找导师并建立

that are vital for career progression.

对职业发展至关重要的关系的机会。

Right.

I think also they're my, I don't, this is a little bit foreign

正确的。

我认为他们也是我的，我不，这对我来说有点陌生，

to me because I haven't worked in the corporate world before.

因为我以前没有在企业界工作过。

But I would imagine that there's also an aspect of not learning kind of your role.

但我想，还有一个方面是你没有了解自己的角色。

If you're just entering the company or in your early twenties, you kind of, by

如果你刚刚进入公司或二十岁出头，通过

going into the workplace, you kind of learn your place, you learn where you

进入工作场所，你会了解自己的位置，了解自己

are in the context of this organisation.

在这个组织中的位置。

Whereas if you're just online, isolated at home.

而如果你只是上网，在家隔离。 您可能对

You might be a little tone-deaf around what's really going

组织中 真正发生的事情有点充耳不闻

on in the organisation.

。

Does that make sense?

那有意义吗？

Yeah, absolutely.

是的，绝对是。

Yeah, absolutely.

是的，绝对是。

And also there's things that I haven't outsourced, because they're

还有一些事情我没有外包，因为它们是

very practical hands on kinds of creative jobs that really need

非常实用的创意工作，确实需要

me to be standing over someone.

我站在某人的一边。

Like literally at the desk with them and really going through

就像在办公桌前与他们一起真正浏览

them, which just isn't the same to kind of connect remotely, you

他们一样，这与远程连接不同，你

know, so I go, do you know what?

知道，所以我走了，你知道吗？

I'm not going to outsource my editing.

我不会外包我的编辑工作。

I'm not going to outsource this, that, and the other because it's

我不会外包这个那个，还有其他的，因为

just too hard to train people up remotely to do what I want them to do.

远程培训人们做我想让他们做的事情太难了。

Oh, wow yeah.

哦，哇，是的。

So, you know, potentially people in my team who could be doing more creative

所以，你知道，我的团队中本来可以做更多创造性

work aren't because I don't feel like I can bring them up to speed remotely.

工作的人却无法做，因为我觉得我无法远程让他们加快进度。

So, it's difficult.

所以，这很难。

But I do employ mostly, in fact, I don't think I have anyone in

但我确实雇用了大部分员工，事实上，我认为我的团队中没有任何人

my team who lives in the UK.

居住在英国。

No.

So, you know, like that pro that we talked about, the fact that you can

不。

所以，你知道，就像我们谈到的那位专业人士一样，你可以

live anywhere and work remotely.

住在任何地方并远程工作。

I've got people living in Ukraine, in America, in Spain, you know, all over the

我的人们生活在乌克兰、美国、西班牙，你知道，世界各地

world, Italy, Malta, all over the place.

、意大利、马耳他，到处都是。

That's amazing.

太棒了。

And we all work together on this one project and it works really well.

我们大家一起致力于这个项目，而且效果非常好。

That's really cool.

太棒了。

Yeah.

是的。

That truly is cool.

这确实很酷。

Right.

So talent, there are no boundaries to talent.

正确的。 所以人才，人才是没有界限的。

And I think for the big corporations, that's what they're seeing as well.

我认为对于大公司来说，这也是他们所看到的。

Even just, let's say a company based in New York no longer has

即使是这样，假设一家总部位于纽约的公司不再需要

to just hire within New York city.

在纽约市内进行招聘。

They can hire someone in Montana if they are the best in that field.

如果蒙大拿州是该领域最优秀的人，他们可以雇用他们。

That's amazing.

太棒了。

Yeah, as long as the technology all works, because that's definitely

是的，只要技术可行，因为这绝对

been one of the difficulties.

是困难之一。

When there's like blackouts in Spain.

当西班牙停电时。

Oh my gosh!

天啊！

And I just can't get in touch with my teachers and I'm like,

我就是无法联系到我的老师，我就想，

oh no, we've got classes!

哦不，我们还有课！

Does that happen a lot?

这种情况经常发生吗？

It's happened a few times.

已经发生过好几次了。

Actually, it's happened a few times in the last six months,

事实上，在过去的六个月里，这种情况发生了几次，

I think storms cause problems.

我认为风暴会造成问题。

But you know, it's small things, small problems, nothing major.

但你知道，这都是小事、小问题，没什么大不了的。

So I want to just move on to giving just three tips, like top

因此，我想继续提供三个建议，例如

tips of what people can do to make working from home more efficient.

人们可以采取哪些措施来提高在家工作效率的重要建议。

Sure.

当然。

And so I'm going to lead with the first one, which is to

因此，我将首先提出第一个目标，即

establish a dedicated workspace.

建立一个专门的工作空间。

I think that's so important.

我认为这非常重要。

When I first started working from home, once I had children, I was

当我第一次开始在家工作时，一旦我有了孩子，我就

working just in the corner of the front room and it was a disaster.

在前室的角落里工作，这是一场灾难。

I couldn't focus for a second because all the action was happening just there, right

我一时无法集中注意力，因为所有的动作都发生在那里，就在

behind my head and I just couldn't focus.

我的脑后，我就是无法集中注意力。

I was constantly distracted.

我总是心烦意乱。

Yes.

So, having this kind of physical separation, I think is really important.

是的。

因此，我认为这种物理分离非常重要。

I, now I said I work in the shed, in the studio at the bottom of the garden.

我,现在我说我在棚子里工作,在花园底部的工作室里工作。

So, there is this small commute of a few steps.

因此，就有了几步之遥的小通勤。

That's great.

Away from the house into a completely separate space.

那太棒了。

远离房子进入一个完全独立的空间。

And when I decide I'm done, I lock the studio.

当我决定结束时，我会锁上工作室。

And I walk away and that's me then done with work for that day.

然后我就走开了，然后我就完成了当天的工作。

Yeah, that's amazing.

是的，那太棒了。

That's the way you have to do it.

这就是你必须这样做的方式。

Are you in your house?

你在家吗？

Do you have a dedicated office?

你们有专门的办公室吗？

How does it work?

它是如何工作的？

Yes, I'm lucky to have...

是的，我很幸运……

I have the office here.

我的办公室在这里。

We have a small apartment or we have a small house in the city of Denver, but

我们在丹佛市有一套小公寓或一栋小房子，但

we have a couple of bedrooms and one of them we have converted into an office.

我们有几间卧室，其中一间我们已改造成办公室。

So, I am in here and then my partner is in, it sounds bad, but we converted

所以，我在这里，然后我的伴侣也在这里，这听起来很糟糕，但我们把

the closet into a small office.

壁橱改成了一个小办公室。

We took all the shelves out.

我们把所有的架子都搬走了。

It sounds terrible, but it's actually pretty good, a cute

听起来很糟糕，但实际上还不错，一个可爱的

little cubicle-type scenario.

小隔间式场景。

And so, we've been able to carve out our own working spaces.

因此，我们已经能够开辟自己的工作空间。

And yeah, thank God for that.

是的，为此感谢上帝。

If I had to sleep in here, that would also be unhealthy, right?

如果我必须睡在这里，那也是不健康的，对吗？

So...

Yeah.

嗯

是的。

Where you sleep should not be where you work, if you can control it now in

你睡觉的地方不应该是你工作的地方，如果你现在能在

cities, with tiny spaces like Tokyo, New York City, that's not always possible.

城市里控制它，像东京、纽约这样空间狭小的城市，那并不总是可能的。

So, we have to try to work something out but as much as we can separate that space,

因此，我们必须尝试解决一些问题，但尽可能将空间、

sleeping space, working space, important.

睡眠空间、工作空间分开，这一点很重要。

Yeah, when I first moved into the area that I'm living in now,

是的，当我第一次搬到现在居住的地区时，

I was very young on YouTube.

我在 YouTube 上还很年轻。

I think I'd only been doing English Like a Native on YouTube for a year

我想我在 YouTube 上做“像当地人一样说英语”有一年了

and I suddenly found myself homeless.

，突然发现自己无家可归了。

So, I moved into a room in someone's house.

于是，我搬进了别人家的一个房间。

Wow!

哇！

So I rented this room and it was a tiny room with a double bed

所以我租了这个房间，房间很小，有一张双人床

and just space for a little desk.

，只有一张小桌子的空间。

Yeah.

是的。

And I would sit on my bed to be at the desk that was so small and I would

我会坐在床上，桌子那么小，我会

find that because I didn't have that separation, I would literally be up

发现，因为我没有这种分离，所以我实际上会一直

working, editing, planning until like two in the morning and my eyes were literally

工作、编辑、计划，直到凌晨两点，我的眼睛从字面上看

like having to have matchsticks keeping my eyes open because they wouldn't stay open.

，就像必须用火柴棍让我的眼睛睁开，因为它们不会一直睁开。

And then I'd go to bed and have a headache and not sleep well.

然后我就上床睡觉，头疼得睡不好觉。

And then I'd be up at eight in the morning because I'm like,

然后我会在早上八点起床，因为我想，

I've got to start filming at nine.

我必须在九点开始拍摄。

Back at it.

回到它。

When the sun's up.

Yeah.

当太阳升起的时候。

是的。

Yeah.

You know...

是的。

你知道...

It was very unhealthy.

这是非常不健康的。

Oh, sounds super...

哦，听起来棒极了...

yeah.

是的。

There's always, I think for companies like ours, there's always a hustle period.

我认为对于像我们这样的公司来说，总是有一个忙碌的时期。

And I would argue I'm still in the hustle period in a way, but I think

我想说，在某种程度上，我仍然处于忙碌的时期，但我认为

there's, I had a similar hustle period where I rented a room in a house of five

，我也有过类似的忙碌时期，当我读研究生时，我在马萨诸塞州剑桥市的一栋有五个室友的房子里租了一个房间

roommates in Cambridge, Mass when I was in graduate school and I was working at

，我我在我的办公桌前工作

my desk, you know, my bed was right there.

，你知道，我的床就在那里。

Everything was right in that same room and there was a lot of hustle going on.

在同一个房间里，一切都井井有条，而且有很多忙碌的事情发生。

Maybe that's what we do for a couple of years, but as soon as

也许这就是我们几年来所做的事情，但只要有

we can, we should try to separate.

可能，我们就应该尝试分开。

Yeah.

Even within the same house, like an office bedroom.

是的。

即使在同一栋房子里，比如办公室卧室。

Yeah.

是的。

Absolutely.

绝对地。

And then on the theme of keeping ourselves healthy and looking after our

然后，关于保持我们自己的健康和照顾我们的

well-being, I think having structure to your schedule and making sure you have

福祉 的主题 ，我认为

regular breaks would be the next tip.

下一个建议是制定您的日程安排并确保您有定期休息。

Mm hmm.

Because this is something I still have to remind myself to do.

嗯嗯。 因为这是我仍然要提醒自己去做的事情。

I'll just get into like deep work.

我会开始深入的工作。

And if my partner isn't at home working in the office with me, cause he's very good

如果我的伴侣不在家和我一起在办公室工作，因为他非常优秀

at remembering lunchtime to be honest.

老实说，记得午餐时间。

He's like,

他说，

"Right.

“好吧。 该吃午饭了。

It's time for lunch.

I'm hungry."

我饿了。”

Right.

正确的。

Whereas I'll just work through work through and then go, I've got a

虽然我只是做完工作然后就走，但我头疼

headache and I'm feeling a bit off.

而且感觉有点不对劲。

Oh, it's because it's three o'clock and I haven't eaten since eight this morning.

哦，因为现在是三点了，我从早上八点就没有吃饭了。

Wow!

哇！

So, I think having a set schedule and actually allowing

所以，我认为有一个固定的时间表，并且实际上留出

a little time for a break.

一点休息时间。

Do you have a set schedule in the day for yourself?

您一天中是否有固定的日程安排？

Yeah, I'm pretty routine.

是的，我很日常。

So, that's how I find that I'm able to get more done and just kind of set

所以，这就是我发现我能够完成更多工作的方式，并且通过

bigger goals is by having a routine.

制定例行公事来设定更大的目标。

So, I take my dog for a walk at 6:30 in the morning, eat breakfast, shower.

所以，我早上 6:30 带着我的狗去散步，吃早餐，洗澡。

I'm at my desk by eight.

八点钟我就到了办公桌前。

And then I am usually hungry at noon.

然后中午我通常会饿。

So, I do go and eat lunch.

所以，我去吃午饭。

And then, but I don't take much time away from my desk.

然后，我不会离开办公桌太多时间。

That's the thing I could probably add in is maybe go for

我可能可以补充的是，

a half hour walk after eating.

饭后可以散步半小时。

That would be smart actually.

这实际上很聪明。

Maybe I'll try that today.

也许我今天会尝试一下。

Yeah.

是的。

And actually exercise after eating is very good to keep your blood sugar in check.

事实上，饭后运动对于控制血糖非常有好处。

I heard that.

I've read that recently.

我听说。

我最近读过。

Yeah.

I think we might've read the same article.

是的。

我想我们可能读过同一篇文章。

Yeah.

是的。

And then I usually work until about six.

然后我通常工作到六点左右。

Right.

正确的。

Okay, yeah.

好吧，是的。

I was in the habit of, I have to make every single minute count,

我的习惯是，我必须珍惜每一分钟，

especially when you're paying a fortune for childcare, you're like,

尤其是当你为儿童保育花费一大笔钱时，你会想，

I am paying for these minutes.

我正在为这些分钟付钱。

Yes.

I can't take a second to stop.

是的。

我一刻也不能停下来。

So, I'd be eating in front of the computer or I'd be eating while

所以，我会在电脑前吃饭，或者一边吃一边

writing an email with my other hand.

用另一只手写电子邮件。

Sure.

当然。

Sure.

Or reading notes for something.

当然。 或者阅读一些东西的笔记。

And.

和。 我会发现，这样一天结束时，我感觉就像

I would just find that I'd get to the end of a day like that and just feel like I'd

been hit by a bus, I'd feel horrendous.

被公共汽车撞了一样，我感觉很可怕。

I'd feel like I was coming down with something.

我感觉自己好像被什么东西击倒了。

My glands in my neck would be swollen.

我脖子上的腺体会肿胀。

I'm very sensitive to these things.

我对这些事情非常敏感。

Wow, yeah.

哇，是的。

And just not feel very well in myself at all and think I need to

我自己感觉不太舒服，我认为我需要

stop being so hard on myself and make sure I have space to breathe.

停止对自己如此严厉，并确保我有呼吸的空间。

Yes, completely.

是的，完全如此。

I mean, it's a fair point, right?

我的意思是，这是一个公平的观点，对吗？

I, we don't have kids.

我，我们没有孩子。

So...

所以...

'Cause the thing is you have to remember that if you burn out completely,

因为问题是你必须记住，如果你完全精疲力竭，

then you're going to be taking a lot more time out than just taking

那么你将需要花更多的时间休息，而不仅仅是

15, 20 minutes to have a break.

休息 15、20 分钟。

So, it's better to be healthy and be the best version of yourself at

因此，最好保持健康，在

work and at home than burn yourself out in the hopes of trying to get

工作和家庭中成为最好的自己，而不是为了取得

ahead, you know, a little more.

进步而精疲力竭，你知道，多一点。

Or worst case, if you burn out you may need to keep working,

或者最坏的情况是，如果你精疲力尽，你可能需要继续工作，

but you won't be your best self.

但你不会成为最好的自己。

You'll be a fraction of who you could be, you know, and your staff will

你知道，你只是你所能成为的人的一小部分，你的员工会

notice that and they will probably start to get nervous about the success

注意到这一点，他们可能会开始对

of the company 'cause our teams take a lot of cues from us as to how

公司的成功感到紧张，因为我们的团队从我们那里得到了很多关于

things are going and how secure is their job, that kind of thing, right.

事情 如何发展的线索。 他们的工作有多安全，诸如此类的事情，对吧。

Yeah.

I'm very bad at working, in the evening, I just kind of power down.

是的。 我的工作能力很差，到了晚上，我就有点没电了。

And so I'll sit at my computer and it's like, I can't even read the text.

所以我会坐在电脑前，就像，我什至无法阅读文字。

It's like my eyes stop working.

就好像我的眼睛停止工作了。

And it takes me forever to write anything creative.

我要花很长时间才能写出任何有创意的东西。

Oh yeah.

哦耶。

But my partner on the other hand is fantastic in the evening.

但另一方面，我的搭档晚上的表现非常棒。

He kind of is, you know.

他有点像，你知道。

Powers up?

A real night owl.

通电了吗？

真正的夜猫子。

So, we have this routine now that we don't have childcare in the afternoon.

所以，我们现在有这个惯例，因为我们下午没有托儿服务。

So my partner takes the children in the afternoon while I continue working and

所以我的伴侣下午带孩子，我继续工作，

then we swap over at dinnertime and after the kids have gone to bed, he'll come out

然后我们在晚餐时间交换，孩子们上床睡觉后，他会出来

and work for most of the evening where I'm in the house looking after the kids.

工作，晚上大部分时间我都在家里照顾。孩子们。

Interesting.

有趣的。

Yeah.

That works quite nicely.

是的。

这效果非常好。

Yeah.

是的。 不，我认为这很适合你的节奏。

No, I think that's great to go with your rhythm.

Who was, I think, I was at a conference recently and Dan

我想，我最近参加了一个会议，丹

Pink, do you know who that is?

粉红，你知道那是谁吗？

Dan Pink, he's an author from the States.

丹·平克（Dan Pink），他是一位来自美国的作家。

He did a talk on rhythms, understanding rhythms.

他做了关于节奏的演讲，理解节奏。

Some people being, he had another term for it, but the morning energy, the

有些人，他有另一个术语，那就是早晨的能量、

daytime energy and the evening energy.

白天的能量和晚上的能量。

And that our culture is really built around that daytime energy person.

我们的文化实际上是围绕白天精力充沛的人建立的。

But if you are that night-time energy, like Michelle, my co-host, she is that.

但如果你是那种夜间活力十足的人，就像我的搭档主持人米歇尔一样，那么她就是那样。

She does so much better in the evenings and you should honour that as much as

她晚上的表现要好得多，你应该尽可能地尊重这一点

you can and try to curate your day.

，并努力安排好你的一天。

Yeah.

是的。

And so I guess the last piece of advice that I would recommend for people working

因此，我想我向 在家 工作的人推荐的最后一条建议

at home is effective communication and collaboration with other people.

是与其他人进行有效的沟通和协作。

This is something I'm working on at the moment with my team

这是我目前正在和我的团队一起做的事情，

because we are so remote.

因为我们距离很远。

It can be very difficult.

这可能非常困难。

If I don't do things like this where I have, you know, face to face one

如果我不做这样的事情，你知道，面对面的一对一

to one interaction, then sometimes a whole week can go by and I can feel

互动，那么有时一整周就会过去，我会

very lonely in my work and detached.

在工作中感到非常孤独和超然。

So, I think putting in like regular checkups and phone calls.

所以，我认为要定期检查和打电话。

And being really clear with your team via communication is a must.

通过沟通与您的团队保持真正的清晰是必须的。

Totally.

完全。

Yeah.

We do, I do a one on one kind of more of a business meeting with

是的。 我们确实这样做了，我和 我们的雅思专家杰西卡

Jessica, who is our IELTS expert.

进行了一对一的商务会议

She's on our other IELTS podcast and she also kind of helps

。 她是我们的另一个雅思播客，她还帮助

make decisions in the business.

制定业务决策。

So, she and I will get together every Monday for half an hour and

所以，她和我每周一都会聚在一起，花半个小时，

make decisions on what are we doing next month, that kind of thing.

决定下个月我们要做什么，之类的事情。

And we're just experimenting now with monday.com, a task management system.

我们现在正在尝试 monday.com，一个任务管理系统。

I don't know if you've tried any of them, or Click Up.

不知道你有没有尝试过，或者点击一下。

I've heard of them.

我听说过他们。

I use Notion.

我使用概念。

Notion.

概念。

Okay.

All right.

好的。

好的。

And you've been happy with that one?

你对此感到满意吗？

Oh my goodness.

哦，我的天啊。

It makes such difference.

它造成了如此大的差异。

I don't know how I ever managed without Notion in the past or any

我不知道过去如果没有 Notion 或任何

of these kind of task management or project management tools.

此类任务管理或项目管理工具，我是如何进行管理的。

I think there's a little bit of a learning curve that you have to go through to

我认为您必须经历一些学习曲线才能

understand how to actually use them.

了解如何实际使用它们。

But once you've got that down, then it really, if you have a more complicated

但一旦你把它记下来，那么，如果你有一个更复杂的

system or project, then it does help to have something like that.

系统或项目，那么拥有这样的东西确实会有帮助。

It's much better than, you know, just having one...

这比，你知道，只有一张……

Paper!

Huge Google document or something or paper, yeah!

纸要好得多！ 巨大的谷歌文档或其他东西或纸张，是的！

Yes.

是的。

Yeah.

Yeah.

是的。

是的。

So, thank you so much for discussing all of that with me today.

所以，非常感谢您今天与我讨论所有这些内容。

And hopefully the listeners have gained some interesting vocabulary

希望听众能够获得一些有趣的词汇

and some good tips for staying healthy and effective when working from home.

和一些在家工作时保持健康和高效的好建议。

So, Lindsay, if somebody is listening to you and they haven't heard your voice

所以，林赛，如果有人正在听你说话，但他们以前没有听过你的声音

before, which would be very unusual, but if they haven't, where can they find you?

，这会很不寻常，但如果他们没有听过，他们在哪里可以找到你呢？

Yeah.

是的。

Thanks again, Anna, for having me on and your listeners can go ahead and just open

再次感谢安娜，让我收听，您的听众可以继续，

the search bar wherever you're listening.

无论您在哪里收听，只需打开搜索栏即可。

If you're listening in the podcast, open that search bar, type in All Ears English,

如果您正在收听播客，请打开搜索栏，输入 All Ears English，

and you will see three shows come up.

您将看到三个节目。

You'll see a lot of yellow.

你会看到很多黄色。

That is our colour.

那是我们的颜色。

You can subscribe to the main show, All Ears English, and

您可以订阅主节目《All Ears English》，

we publish four days a week.

我们每周发布四天。

If you're on YouTube, you can type in that search bar, just All Ears English Podcast,

如果您在 YouTube 上，则可以在搜索栏中输入 All Ears English Podcast，

and you'll find us over there too.

您也可以在那里找到我们。

So, thanks again, Anna, for having me on.

所以，再次感谢安娜邀请我参加。

Thank you.

This has been a great chat.

谢谢。 这是一次很棒的聊天。

We should do it more often.

我们应该更频繁地这样做。

Yeah, it really has.

Yeah.

是的，确实有。

是的。 我们确实在你的播客上又进行了一次简短的交谈。 因此，

And we did actually do another little chat over on your podcast.

So, I'll put the link to that particular episode down in the

如果有人有兴趣从我们两个人那里听到更多信息，

description if anyone is interested in hearing more from the two of us.

我会将特定剧集的链接放在描述中 。

Perfect.

So, thank you.

完美的。 所以谢谢。

Have a great day.

祝你有美好的一天。

And for those of you listening, take very good care and goodbye.

对于那些正在聆听的人，请好好照顾并告别。

Alright, thanks Anna.

好的，谢谢安娜。

Bye.

再见。