Native English Conversation with Lindsay (All Ears English): Remote work

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English Like A Native


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Hello, and welcome to The English Like a Native Podcast, the listening
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ค‘๊ธ‰์—์„œ ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ฒญ์ทจ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค์ธ The English Like a Native Podcast์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:04
resource for intermediate to advanced-level English learners.
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00:08
My name is Anna and today we are joined by a very special guest.
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์ œ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Anna์ด๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์†๋‹˜๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:14
We have Lindsay McMahon, who is the co-host of All Ears English.
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All Ears English์˜ ๊ณต๋™ ์ง„ํ–‰์ž์ธ Lindsay McMahon์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:20
Now, the All Ears English Podcast is downloaded 4 million times per month
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์ด์ œ All Ears English Podcast๋Š” ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ์— 400๋งŒ ๋ฒˆ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
00:26
and has been ranked in the Best of Apple Podcasts categories in 2018 and 2019.
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2018๋…„๊ณผ 2019๋…„ Apple Podcasts ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘ ์ตœ๊ณ ๋กœ ์„ ์ •๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:33
As well as number one in the U.
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๋˜ํ•œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ
00:36
S.
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00:36
Education Language Courses.
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๊ต์œก ์–ธ์–ด ์ฝ”์Šค์—์„œ๋„ 1์œ„๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:38
Lindsay and her team provide courses and podcasts on IELTS, Business
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Lindsay์™€ ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ํŒ€์€ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•จ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์— ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘๊ณ  IELTS, ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด ๋ฐ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•œ ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ•์ขŒ์™€ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:44
English and English fluency with a focus on connection, not perfection.
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00:50
Hi, Lindsay.
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์•ˆ๋…•, ๋ฆฐ์ œ์ด.
00:51
Thank you for joining us.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:53
Hello, Anna.
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์•ˆ๋…•, ์•ˆ๋‚˜.
00:54
Thanks for having me on your show.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‡ผ์— ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:55
I'm excited to be here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์˜ค๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:57
I'm really excited to have you with us once again, cause you joined me,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ €์™€ ํ•ฉ๋ฅ˜ํ•œ ์ง€
01:01
it must've been over a year ago now.
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๋ฒŒ์จ 1๋…„์ด ๋„˜์—ˆ์„ ํ…๋ฐ์š”.
01:03
Yeah, it must've been 2022 or 2021.
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๋„ค, ์•„๋งˆ 2022๋…„์ด๋‚˜ 2021๋…„์ด์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:05
We talked about breakfast foods in the UK and the US, I believe.
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์˜๊ตญ๊ณผ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์•„์นจ ์‹์‚ฌ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆด๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
01:09
We did.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋‹ค.
01:10
It's always interesting to look at the differences between British and American
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์˜๊ตญ๊ณผ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜
01:16
things and words because we're so similar and yet so different in many ways.
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์‚ฌ๋ฌผ๊ณผ ๋‹จ์–ด์˜ ์ฐจ์ด์ ์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์‚ฌ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:21
Absolutely.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
01:23
But today we're going to talk about something that affects people globally,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:26
and it's basically remote working because the pandemic, which hit all of us, was
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์›๊ฒฉ ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•ํƒ€ํ•œ ์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์˜
01:32
responsible for many changes to the way in which we live our lives, most notably,
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๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋งŽ์€ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™”๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:39
the rise in popularity of remote working.
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์›๊ฒฉ๊ทผ๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์ธ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:43
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
01:44
During lockdown, businesses had no choice but to adapt to that physical distancing
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๋ด‰์‡„ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ธฐ์—…์€ ์ธ๋ ฅ์˜ ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์  ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋‘๊ธฐ์— ์ ์‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋ฐ–์— ์—†์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
01:49
of its workforce, with everyone, including the technophobes, having to get up to
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๊ธฐ์ˆ  ํ˜์˜ค์ž๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
01:55
speed with the latest technology in order to function professionally from home.
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์ง‘์—์„œ ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—…๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์ตœ์‹  ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ ์‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:01
So, Lindsay, what is your current work situation and have you been impacted by
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด Lindsay, ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ํ˜„์žฌ ์—…๋ฌด ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
02:07
this shift towards working from home?
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์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋กœ์˜ ์ „ํ™˜์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
02:10
Well, yeah, to be honest, I have not been super impacted because we were
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๋„ค, ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํŒฌ๋ฐ๋ฏน ์ด์ „์˜ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํฌ๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:14
a pre-pandemic, online business.
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02:17
All Ears English was born on the Internet.
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All Ears English๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค
02:19
All Ears English was born as a podcast, in fact, and our website and
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All Ears English๋Š” ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ ํƒ„์ƒํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์ €ํฌ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์™€
02:23
our courses business grew around it.
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๊ฐ•์ขŒ ์‚ฌ์—…๋„ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:26
And so, from the start, we created All Ears English just in Boston.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ณด์Šคํ„ด์—์„œ All Ears English๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:31
At the time, my co-host, my original co-host was physically in Boston.
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๋‹น์‹œ ์ €์˜ ๊ณต๋™ ์ง„ํ–‰์ž์ด์ž ์›๋ž˜ ๊ณต๋™ ์ง„ํ–‰์ž๋Š” ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์Šคํ„ด์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:35
So, yeah, we did come together to record episodes.
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๋„ค, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋…น์Œํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ชจ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:39
But after a year, I had had two or three of my current co-hosts join me from
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ 1๋…„ ํ›„, ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ณต๋™ ํ˜ธ์ŠคํŠธ ์ค‘ 2~3๋ช…์ด ์˜ค๋ ˆ๊ณค์ฃผ
02:45
remote locations, Portland, Oregon, Jessica's in Portland, Michelle's in
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ํฌํ‹€๋žœ๋“œ, ์ œ์‹œ์นด๋Š” ํฌํ‹€๋žœ๋“œ, ๋ฏธ์…ธ์€
02:49
New York and Aubrey is in Arizona.
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๋‰ด์š•, ์˜ค๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์• ๋ฆฌ์กฐ๋‚˜ ๋“ฑ ์™ธ๋”ด ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์™€ ํ•ฉ๋ฅ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:51
So, we've always been online.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:53
The only difference is that as a recruiting tactic, if we want to
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์œ ์ผํ•œ ์ฐจ์ด์ ์€ ์ฑ„์šฉ ์ „๋žต์œผ๋กœ์„œ
02:56
have new members of our team join, it's a little less flashy, that we
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํŒ€์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์›์„ ํ•ฉ๋ฅ˜์‹œํ‚ค๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋œ ํ™”๋ คํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
03:01
are an online business, that we're a location independent business, right?
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์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์ด๊ณ  ์œ„์น˜ ๋…๋ฆฝ์ ์ธ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
03:04
It's not an edge anymore.
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๋” ์ด์ƒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:06
It's expected now to have that flexibility.
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์ด์ œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์œ ์—ฐ์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:09
So, we've lost that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žƒ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:11
Yeah.
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์‘. ์‚ฌ์ „์— ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์œผ๋กœ
03:12
I found, although I did work on the internet beforehand, there
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์ž‘์—…์„ ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด
03:16
were a couple of my businesses that folded because of the pandemic.
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์‚ฌ์—…์ด ๋งํ•œ ์‚ฌ์—…์ด ๋ช‡ ๊ตฐ๋ฐ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
03:21
Really?
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์ •๋ง?
03:22
So, two of my channels were very much dependent on the team coming
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ์ฑ„๋„ ์ค‘ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ๋Š” ํŒ€์ด
03:27
together and working in the same space.
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ชจ์—ฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ์˜์กดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:29
Hmm.
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ํ .
03:30
So the pandemic was responsible for English Like a Native pretty
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
03:34
much becoming my sole focus really.
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์ œ ์œ ์ผํ•œ ์ดˆ์ ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:37
Yeah.
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03:37
sometimes it's good to have one sole focus.
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์‘.
๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:40
It can be hard to be very stretched across multiple projects and businesses.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์™€ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ํ™•์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:44
My partner on the other hand, worked very much in a corporate, nine-to-five,
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๋ฐ˜๋ฉด์— ๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์›”์š”์ผ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์— ๋ณธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋‘๊ณ  9์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ทผ๋ฌดํ•˜๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:50
London-based job, Monday to Friday.
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.
03:54
But when I say nine-to-five, you're following what I mean with that.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ 9์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
Oh, of course.
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์˜ค ๋‹น์—ฐํ•˜์ง€.
03:59
Yes.
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03:59
Yeah.
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์˜ˆ.
์‘.
04:00
So, nine-to-five, for the listeners is, just that kind of
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” 9์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ
04:03
standard start and finish time.
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ํ‘œ์ค€์ ์ธ ์‹œ์ž‘ ๋ฐ ์ข…๋ฃŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค์ „
04:05
You start at 9am, you finish at 5pm, which in the past was the norm.
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9์‹œ์— ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์„œ ์˜คํ›„ 5์‹œ์— ๋๋‚˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์—๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํ‘œ์ค€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:11
Most people worked from Monday to Friday, nine-to-five.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์›”์š”์ผ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ๊นŒ์ง€, 9์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:14
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
04:15
These days it's very different, especially with the rise of remote working.
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์š”์ฆ˜์—๋Š” ํŠนํžˆ ์›๊ฒฉ ๊ทผ๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:19
It's really changing.
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์ •๋ง ๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
04:20
Yeah.
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์‘.
04:21
Yeah.
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04:21
People have really flexible hours.
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์‘.
์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ •๋ง ์œ ์—ฐํ•œ ๊ทผ๋ฌด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:22
What kind of hours do you work, Lindsay?
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Lindsay, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ช‡ ์‹œ์— ์ผํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
04:25
I work.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผํ•œ๋‹ค.
04:26
It feels like I work about eight to six.
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8~6์‹œ ์ •๋„ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
04:28
Yeah.
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04:28
I feel like I've taken the nine-to-five and expanded it.
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์‘.
9์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ™•๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋А๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:32
I work a lot, Anna.
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๋‚œ ์ผ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•ด์š”, ์•ˆ๋‚˜.
04:33
I do.
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04:33
But I love what I do.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค.
04:34
You know, I feel inspired.
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์˜๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
04:36
I feel inspired getting on the podcast.
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ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด์„œ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
04:38
I feel inspired as a leader of All Ears English, you know, helping my
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์ €๋Š” All Ears English์˜ ๋ฆฌ๋”๋กœ์„œ
04:42
team grow, growing the business.
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ํŒ€์˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ๊ณผ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋•๋Š” ์ผ์— ์˜๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:44
So, I enjoy the work, but I do sometimes go and grab like a yoga
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์ง€๋งŒ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์š”๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜์—…์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ถ™์žก
04:48
class or I try to in the middle of the day and I can do that, of course.
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๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•œ๋‚ฎ์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:52
Yeah.
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04:52
Yeah.
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04:52
Well, that's one of the benefits of remote working is that you can be a
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์‘.
์‘. ์›๊ฒฉ ๊ทผ๋ฌด์˜
์ด์  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„
04:56
little bit more flexible with your, with your time and decide when is more
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์ข€ ๋” ์œ ์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ธ์ œ
05:01
appropriate for you to be working.
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์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋” ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:04
And, does that allow you to do something more interesting or
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
05:07
beneficial to your personal life?
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์‚ถ์— ๋” ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์œ ์ตํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
05:09
A hundred percent.
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05:09
Like picking the children up from school or taking a yoga class?
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๋ฐฑํผ์„ผํŠธ. ํ•™๊ต
์—์„œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๋Ÿฌ ์˜ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์š”๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
05:12
I think even just taking a walk, I feel like in the old school way of
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์‚ฐ์ฑ…๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„ 9์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜›๋‚  ๋ฐฉ์‹์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋А๋‚Œ์ด ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
05:15
doing things, the nine-to-five, right?
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05:17
People were going into work in the building.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์—์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:20
Even if you wanted to probably go for a walk, I feel that might have been strange.
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์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ด์ƒํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ
05:25
I really didn't participate in that world, to be honest.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
05:28
You know, I had part time jobs when I lived in New York.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €๋Š” ๋‰ด์š•์— ์‚ด ๋•Œ ์•„๋ฅด๋ฐ”์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:31
I taught at English schools.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:32
I taught tennis for a while.
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ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์–ด์š”.
05:34
I never had a traditional nine-to-five in the corporate world.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ์—… ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ 9์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:37
So, I'm not sure.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:38
But it seems to me just leaving to go for a walk through the
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ
05:40
park might have been strange.
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๊ณต์›์„ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…ํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ด์ƒํ–ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
05:43
Yeah.
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์‘.
05:44
Yeah.
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05:44
And you really have to just go with what's accepted in that particular
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ํŠน์ • ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ํ—ˆ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
05:48
workplace or what's allowed.
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๋˜๋Š” ํ—ˆ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:50
. Yes.
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. ์˜ˆ.
05:51
Yes.
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05:51
I've done a number of different jobs and some of them have been very restrictive.
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์˜ˆ.
์ €๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•ด๋ดค์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์ œํ•œ์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:56
Like when I worked in a factory back when I was a teenager and that was like
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์ œ๊ฐ€ 10๋Œ€์˜€์„ ๋•Œ ๊ณต์žฅ์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์‹œ๊ณ„์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒ์‚ฐ ๋ผ์ธ์˜ ์–ด๋‘์šด ๊ณต์žฅ
06:00
probably the worst work I've ever done in a dark factory on a production line where
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์—์„œ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ผ ์ค‘ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ตœ์•…์˜ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:04
you are literally working to a clock.
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.
06:06
Wow.
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06:06
That would buzz when it hit the time when you're allowed to go for
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์šฐ์™€. ์งง์€ ํœด์‹
์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋˜๋ฉด ์œ™์œ™๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ,
06:09
a quick break and buzz when you had to be back on the production line.
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์ƒ์‚ฐ ๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์™€์•ผ ํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š” ์œ™์œ™๊ฑฐ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:13
It was very, very oppressive work.
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๋งค์šฐ, ๋งค์šฐ ์–ต์••์ ์ธ ์ž‘์—…์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:16
That is super intense.
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์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•๋ ฌํ•ด์š”.
06:19
Wow.
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06:19
Yeah.
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์šฐ์™€.
์‘.
06:20
But one of the things, for my partner particularly that made a big
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํŠนํžˆ ์ œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์žฌํƒ
06:24
difference when he started working from home was the lack of the commute.
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๊ทผ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ํ†ต๊ทผ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ „์—๋Š” ์•„์นจ 8์‹œ์— ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ์ถœ๊ทผํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
06:29
That made a big difference to his life because before he would have to be in the
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ์˜ ์‚ถ์— ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:33
office at eight o'clock in the morning.
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.
06:34
So, he was leaving before the children were even awake, and then he'd finish
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ธฐ๋„ ์ „์— ๋– ๋‚ฌ๊ณ  ,
06:39
at 5:30, 6 o'clock, and he would have this long commute home, it would take
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5์‹œ 30๋ถ„, 6์‹œ์— ์ผ์„ ๋งˆ์ณค๊ณ , ์ง‘์œผ๋กœ ํ†ต๊ทผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ธด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ,
06:44
over an hour, and so the children were then in bed when he arrived back.
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ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ด์ƒ์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ , ์•„์ด๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ์— ๊ทธ๋žฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ์•„์™”์„ ๋•Œ ์นจ๋Œ€์— ๋ˆ„์›Œ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
06:48
So, sometimes he would go a whole week without seeing his kids.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐ€๋” ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ง€๋‚ผ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:51
Really?
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์ •๋ง?
06:52
Yeah.
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์‘.
06:53
For him, that was really hard because at the weekends, then the
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๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฃผ๋ง์ด๋ฉด
06:55
children were like, who are you?
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด '๋„ˆ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์•ผ?
06:58
It really impacted his bond with the kids.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ์œ ๋Œ€๊ฐ์— ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:01
And so now, working from home, which has continued, he's managed to build this
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š”
07:07
really strong bond with his children.
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์ž๋…€๋“ค๊ณผ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์œ ๋Œ€๊ฐ์„ ํ˜•์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:09
He doesn't have to waste two, three hours of his day just
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๊ทธ๋Š”
07:13
sitting on a busy tube and train.
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๋ฐ”์œ ์ง€ํ•˜์ฒ ๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์ฐจ์— ์•‰์•„์„œ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ค‘ 2~3์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‚ญ๋น„ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:15
Yeah, and I think that's the reason I think it's the bonds that people
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
07:18
were able to build with their family.
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๊ฐ€์กฑ๊ณผ ์Œ“์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์œ ๋Œ€๊ฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:20
That's the reason that honestly, there's no going back.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์†”์งํžˆ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:22
Absolutely.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
07:23
I think the working world will never look the same.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์„ธ์ƒ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์ด์ „๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:26
There'll be different versions and we'll talk today, I'm sure, about
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฒ„์ „์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
07:28
hybrid work and different variations of that, but it'll never look the same.
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ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ์ž‘์—…๊ณผ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ˜•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋™์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:32
And I think people didn't quite realise that when the pandemic kind of came
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘์ด ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ
07:36
down, we thought I will be home for a week, we'll be home for two weeks.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ ๋™์•ˆ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ณ  , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 2์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:40
No.
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07:40
Mm-hmm.
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์•„๋‡จ.
์Œ-ํ .
07:41
Total change, yeah.
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๋„ค, ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
07:42
It really changed the face of everything.
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์ •๋ง ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
Like, London started to change, office buildings started closing down when
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์ด ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์ด ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹ซ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:49
businesses realised, actually, we don't have to be paying a fortune to
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๊ธฐ์—…์ด ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์„ ๋•Œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
07:54
cover the costs of office space when actually we can be almost just as
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์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ๊ณต๊ฐ„ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ถฉ๋‹นํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:57
productive with our workforce at home and doing like occasional on-site work.
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๊ฐ€๋”์”ฉ ํ˜„์žฅ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ์š”.
08:03
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
08:04
So, you mentioned hybrids.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
08:05
Can you explain that phrase?
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๊ทธ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
08:07
So, the concept of hybrid is what a lot of workplaces are adopting now, which
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ๊ฐœ๋…์€ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋งŽ์€ ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์ฑ„ํƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰,
08:11
means it's any mix of going into the work.
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์—…๋ฌด์— ํ˜ผํ•ฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:14
Generally, what I see is, you know, two or three times a week in the
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— ๋‘์„ธ ๋ฒˆ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€
08:17
office and then working at home for the remainder of the week.
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์ผ์ฃผ์ผ ๋™์•ˆ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:21
And I think, this works out great because you do miss something when
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
08:24
you're a hundred percent remote online.
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100% ์›๊ฒฉ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋†“์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:26
I, you know, I feel like I missed something in terms of social
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์ €๋Š”
08:29
interaction, sometimes working, but we're a small company.
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๊ฐ€๋” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋†“์นœ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋А๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:32
I worry a little bit about people getting started with their career
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
08:36
when they're 100 percent remote.
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100% ์›๊ฒฉ์ง€์—์„œ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:38
Yeah, yeah, it does have an impact.
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์‘, ์‘, ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์–ด.
08:41
So, we'll come on to the cons a little later.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ํ›„์— ๋‹จ์ ์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:44
Yeah, for sure.
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08:44
But I do think that cost saving is one of the benefits of work working remotely.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋น„์šฉ ์ ˆ๊ฐ์€ ์›๊ฒฉ ๊ทผ๋ฌด์˜ ์ด์  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:51
Although, I wonder how much as an individual, as an employee, you're
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐœ์ธ์œผ๋กœ์„œ , ์ง์›์œผ๋กœ์„œ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜
08:55
saving, because initially you're like, well, I'm saving on my train
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์ ˆ์•ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด '๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ฐจํ‘œ๋„ ์ ˆ์•ฝ
08:58
tickets and I'm saving on my lunch.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ ์‹ฌ๋„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค'๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:01
I'm not buying my coffees and my lunch out.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ปคํ”ผ์™€ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ์‚ฌ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค.
09:04
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
09:05
But I realised that actually you're at home all day.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์–ด์š”.
09:08
You have the heating on all day.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์ข…์ผ ๋‚œ๋ฐฉ์„ ํ‹€๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋„ค์š”.
09:10
You're eating at home.
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09:10
Fair point.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์‹์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ณต์ •ํ•œ ์ง€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:11
So, you're still buying food that you have to eat.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋จน์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ์Œ์‹์„ ์‚ฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:13
You're powering your life and if you need a lot of equipment, that's a lot
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์— ํž˜์„ ์‹ค์–ด์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ , ๋งŽ์€ ์žฅ๋น„๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ๋งŒํผ ๋งŽ์€
09:19
of stuff that you're having to pay for.
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๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:21
Internet.
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท.
09:22
Needing better internet.
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๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:23
So there are more costs attached to working from home.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด์—๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:27
Yeah, I totally agree.
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๋„ค, ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:28
So, I think wear and tear on your equipment, your laptop as well.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์žฅ๋น„์™€ ๋…ธํŠธ๋ถ๋„ ๋งˆ๋ชจ๋˜๊ณ  ํŒŒ์†๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:31
When I think about cost savings, I actually think
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๋น„์šฉ ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š”
09:33
about employer cost savings.
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๊ณ ์šฉ์ฃผ ๋น„์šฉ ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:35
The company is saving money.
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ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ˆ์„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:36
It's not so much...
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๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋งŽ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
09:37
Absolutely.
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09:37
I think employees are saving time.
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๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
์ง์›๋“ค์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
09:39
Yes, they're getting that commute time.
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์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ ํ†ต๊ทผ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:41
They're getting three hours back, which is a big deal, but I think it's
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3์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋งŒ์— ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฑด ํฐ ์ผ์ด์ง€๋งŒ
09:43
the companies that are saving money.
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๋ˆ์„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
09:45
There's a really interesting podcast.
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์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:47
Maybe I could recommend it to your listeners.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
09:48
It's called Fixable.
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์ˆ˜์ • ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:50
It's hosted by a Harvard Business School professor and a business consultant.
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ํ•˜๋ฒ„๋“œ ๊ฒฝ์˜๋Œ€ํ•™์› ๊ต์ˆ˜์™€ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์ปจ์„คํ„ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ์ตœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:54
And they actually had an episode where they talked about, they interviewed
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ 
09:58
bosses, like company owners, and they gave them advice on how do
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ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์†Œ์œ ์ฃผ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ•˜๊ณ 
10:01
you run a company post pandemic.
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์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘ ์ดํ›„ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์šด์˜ํ• ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:03
How do you keep your employees engaged?
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์ง์›๋“ค์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์— ํ•œ
10:06
Bring them into the office maybe once a quarter and you have to have amazing food.
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๋ฒˆ์”ฉ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๋ฉด ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์Œ์‹์„ ๋จน์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด
10:10
You have to have all these amazing things, right, to engage them.
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์ด ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ–์ถ”์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
10:13
And that day is supposed to be more about them rather than their skill
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋‚ ์€
10:17
development rather than your company.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:18
It's very complex now what bosses have to deal with.
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์ด์ œ ์ƒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ณต์žกํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:22
It's really interesting.
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์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง
10:23
That sounds amazing.
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10:23
It reminds me actually of YouTube.
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๋†€๋ž๋„ค์š”.
์‚ฌ์‹ค ์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๋„ค์š”.
10:26
So, I've been working on YouTube for a long time and they host these incredible
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ YouTube์—์„œ ์ผํ•ด ์™”์œผ๋ฉฐ YouTube์—์„œ๋Š”
10:31
events where they get you to come in and you'll talk about strategies
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•˜์—ฌ ์ „๋žต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
10:35
or, you know, celebrate things.
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์ถ•ํ•˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์ตœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:38
But they put on always an amazing array of food and drinks and entertainment.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์Œ์‹๊ณผ ์Œ๋ฃŒ, ์˜ค๋ฝ์„ ์„ ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:43
And so, you go, even if it's not a workshop you're that interested in that
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์›Œํฌ์ˆ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์€
10:48
you go just because it's an incredible event and you feel so special and yeah.
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๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ์ด๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋А๋ผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:52
Yeah.
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์‘.
10:53
Things have changed a lot and that's kind of what work looks like or what the
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์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ผ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๋ชจ์Šต์ธ์ง€,
10:56
workplace looks like now and then I think a lot of the work gets done at home.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์ง์žฅ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๋ชจ์Šต์ธ์ง€๋„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
11:00
Which is the hybrid model, yeah.
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๋„ค, ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ๋ชจ๋ธ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
11:01
Do you think that working from home increases productivity or do you
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์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ์„ ๋†’์ธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด
11:05
think it just encourages people to kind of slack off and be lazy?
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฒŒ์œผ๋ฆ„์„ ํ”ผ์šฐ๊ณ  ๊ฒŒ์œผ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค ๋ฟ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
11:10
I think, you know, some of the research is coming out that it's,
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ผ๋ถ€ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์—์„œ๋Š”
11:14
they're not completely sure, like they're starting to question that.
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜๋ฌธ์„ ์ œ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:17
I think there was sort of an assumption that yes, it definitely is going to
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ
11:20
increase productivity, but I think the research is starting to challenge that,
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์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ์ด ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฐ€์ •์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€
11:26
especially a hundred percent remote.
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ํŠนํžˆ 100% ์›๊ฒฉ์—์„œ ์ด์— ๋„์ „ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:28
When it's hybrid.
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ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ์ผ ๋•Œ.
11:30
I think the research is starting to show that, you know, we're not
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ตฌ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
11:33
losing productivity necessarily, but if we're a hundred percent
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๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ์„ ์žƒ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ 100%
11:37
remote, we might lose it more.
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๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ์„ ๋” ์žƒ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐํ˜€์ง€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:38
So, I think it's too early to tell, right?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์ง์€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ด๋ฅด๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
11:40
When we gather data, we have to gather it over years and years and years.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜์ง‘ํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋…„์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์ˆ˜์ง‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
11:44
I think, at least, five years to really see.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ ค๋ฉด ์ ์–ด๋„ 5๋…„์€ ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:47
Yeah.
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11:47
I mean, I know, and this is moving into the cons of working from
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์‘.
๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‚˜๋„ ์•Œ์•„์š”. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด
11:51
home that I struggle to detach my work life from my personal life.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง์žฅ ์ƒํ™œ๊ณผ ๊ฐœ์ธ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์• ์“ฐ๋Š” ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด์˜ ๋‹จ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
11:56
So, I'll be working in the office, which is down at the bottom of the
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ •์› ์•„๋ž˜์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ธ๋ฐ
12:01
garden, and the doorbell will go.
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์ดˆ์ธ์ข…์ด ์šธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:04
And so, I run up to the door in case it's a delivery or something.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๋‹ฌ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ญ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์„๊นŒ๋ด ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ฌ๋ ค๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:09
And it might be a neighbour from down the street who just popped in for a chat
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ฑ„ํŒ…์„ ํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ์ฐพ์•„์˜จ ์ €์ชฝ ์ด์›ƒ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
12:12
and I'm kind of like, uh, it's not, I'm actually in the middle of a meeting or
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์ €๋Š” '์–ด, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ , ์‚ฌ์‹ค ํšŒ์˜ ์ค‘์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
12:16
I'm just about to start a meeting or I'm just in the middle of writing a script.
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๋ง‰ ํšŒ์˜๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์ค‘์ด์•ผ'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ง‰ ๋Œ€๋ณธ์„ ์“ฐ๋Š” ์ค‘์ด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
12:20
You've just disturbed me.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:22
Right.
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12:22
Or I know that there's laundry that's just finished a cycle that needs to
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
๋˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์‚ฌ์ดํด์„ ๋งˆ์นœ ์„ธํƒ๋ฌผ์„
12:26
go into the dryer and if I leave it until later, it will take longer.
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๊ฑด์กฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋„ฃ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋‚˜์ค‘์—๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋†”๋‘๋ฉด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋” ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:30
So, just do it now.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
12:31
And so you get distracted by, you know, the house and your personal life.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ง‘๊ณผ ๊ฐœ์ธ ์ƒํ™œ์— ์ฃผ์˜๊ฐ€ ์‚ฐ๋งŒํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:37
Right.
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12:37
Which is what never wouldn't have happened before, of course.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์„ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:40
Yeah.
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์‘.
12:41
Sometimes I'll see funny memes on Instagram of like a mother, like a
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๊ฐ€๋” ์ธ์Šคํƒ€๊ทธ๋žจ์—์„œ ์—„๋งˆ ๊ฐ™์€,
12:45
60 year old mom and a young, like a 25 year old professional working
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60์„ธ ์—„๋งˆ ๊ฐ™์€, ์ Š์€ ์—„๋งˆ ๊ฐ™์€, ์žฌํƒ ๊ทผ๋ฌดํ•˜๋Š” 25์„ธ ์ „๋ฌธ์ง ๊ฐ™์€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐˆ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€
12:50
from home and she'll be like,
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12:52
"Mom, I'm working."
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12:52
"What do you mean you're working?
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"์—„๋งˆ, ๋‚˜ ์ผํ•ด์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
"์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์ด์—์š”?
12:53
You're at home."
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์ง‘์— ์žˆ์–ด์š”."
12:54
Like she's just hilarious.
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ์š”.
12:56
So funny.
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12:56
Yeah.
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์—„์ฒญ ์›ƒ๊ฒจ.
์‘.
12:57
Yeah.
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์‘.
12:58
But I guess.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”.
12:59
The one last thing to say about the positive side of working remotely,
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์›๊ฒฉ ๊ทผ๋ฌด์˜ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์ ์€
13:03
and this is something that I'm potentially looking at now is, that
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:06
when you are completely remote and you don't have to go and be on site
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ •๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ˜„์žฅ์— ๊ฐˆ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:10
on a regular basis, then you are free to go anywhere you want to go.
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, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ณณ ์–ด๋””๋“  ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:15
And you're no longer chained to these expensive !Commuter belts, as we call
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋„์‹œ ์ฃผ๋ณ€ ์ง€์—ญ์ธ ๊ฐ’๋น„์‹ผ ํ†ต๊ทผ ๋ฒจํŠธ์— ์–ฝ๋งค์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:21
them, the areas around these big cities where you're living, and then you
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ
13:25
commute into the big cities and they are notoriously expensive places to live.
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๋Œ€๋„์‹œ๋กœ ํ†ต๊ทผํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์€ ์‚ด๊ธฐ์— ๋ฌผ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์•…๋ช… ๋†’์€ ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:31
And so, I'm a lover of the great outdoors, the mountains, the coast,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€์ž์—ฐ๊ณผ ์‚ฐ, ํ•ด์•ˆ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ 
13:36
I love nature, and I'm living on the outskirts of London in the commuter belt.
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์ž์—ฐ์„ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜ ์™ธ๊ณฝ์˜ ํ†ต๊ทผ ๋ฒจํŠธ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:41
And now my partner is no longer working for the corporate, so he is now free.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ ๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋” ์ด์ƒ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์ด์ œ ์ž์œ ๋กœ์›Œ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:48
And I'm completely remote.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:49
So, we have this opportunity now to consider where do we want to live?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณผ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:54
What country do we want to live in?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๊ฐ€?
13:56
And the only consideration I have to think of is, do they have good internet?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๊ณ ๋ ค ์‚ฌํ•ญ์€ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด ์ข‹์€๊ฐ€์š”?
14:01
Yeah.
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์‘.
14:02
Which is a lot of places.
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๋งŽ์€ ์žฅ์†Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:04
I mean, the world is your oyster, as we say.
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์„ธ์ƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ตด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:06
That's amazing.
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๊ทธ ๋†€๋ผ์šด.
14:07
Absolutely.
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14:07
Absolutely.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
14:08
Yeah, that's a really great phrase.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:10
The world is my oyster.
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์„ธ์ƒ์€ ๋‚˜์˜ ๊ตด์ด๋‹ค.
14:12
We've seen this in the States, right?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
14:13
So this is going to be a profound shift in migration patterns, at least within the U.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋‚ด์—์„œ๋Š” ์ด์ฃผ ํŒจํ„ด์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ค‘๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:19
S.
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14:19
We've seen people leave, let's say, let's take San Francisco.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋– ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ƒŒํ”„๋ž€์‹œ์Šค์ฝ”๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:23
That was where all the Silicon Valley workers were living.
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‹ค๋ฆฌ์ฝ˜ ๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ ๋…ธ๋™์ž๋“ค์ด ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ๊ณณ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:26
They don't have to be there anymore.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์„ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„์—์„œ
14:28
People are, there's a mass exodus out of California, not just
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ๋กœ ํƒˆ์ถœํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹จ์ง€
14:31
because of remote work, because of earthquakes, because of wildfires.
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์›๊ฒฉ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋‚˜ ์ง€์ง„, ์‚ฐ๋ถˆ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:34
There's a lot going on that's just making California a hard place to live.
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๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด ์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„๋ฅผ ์‚ด๊ธฐ ํž˜๋“  ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:38
So what are the next cities?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹ค์Œ ๋„์‹œ๋Š” ์–ด๋””์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
14:39
People are going to Texas.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ํ…์‚ฌ์Šค๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:41
It's going to change everything around real estate.
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๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ์„ ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ์‹ผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:43
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
14:44
It's really interesting.
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์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:45
What are the hotspots?
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ํ•ซ์ŠคํŒŸ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:46
Where do people want to live?
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:47
What do they want in their life?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์›ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฐ€?
14:48
Are they eventually going to miss the city and come back to it?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋„์‹œ๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์›Œํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
14:52
It's fascinating.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งคํ˜น์ ์ด๋‹ค.
14:53
Really going to have an impact.
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์ •๋ง ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:55
So, some of the cons then, we talked about the fact that you can get
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ ์ฃผ์˜๊ฐ€ ์‚ฐ๋งŒํ•ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹จ์ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:01
distracted when you're working from home.
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.
15:04
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
15:05
I find it quite challenging.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฝค ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:06
Do you have a busy household?
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๋ฐ”์œ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๊ฐ€
15:09
Do you find it distracting working from home?
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๋ฐฉํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š” ?
15:11
I do.
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15:11
Yeah.
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15:11
So, my partner also now is hybrid.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
์‘.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋„ ์ด์ œ ํ•˜์ด๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ๋“œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:15
Right.
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15:15
Okay.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
์ข‹์•„์š”.
15:16
So, my partner's here working next door two or three days a week
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์˜†์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— 2~3์ผ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
15:19
and that's, I actually like that.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”.
15:22
I like having my partner around, but I am engaged with some family stuff
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:27
right now, like supporting my parents as they're getting older and things
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. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์ˆ˜๋ก ์ง€์›ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‚ฎ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์—
15:31
just come into my personal email during the day and I do address those things.
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๋‚ด ๊ฐœ์ธ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฐ์ €๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:35
Like I'll get on a call with a lawyer in the middle of the day and
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๋งˆ์น˜ ์ค‘๊ฐ„์— ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ์™€ ํ†ตํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด
15:38
I think I shouldn't but I have to.
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์•ˆ ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ ๊ผญ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋งŒ์•ฝ
15:39
I'm not sure what I would have done otherwise, if I had to
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์ œ๊ฐ€
15:42
go into the corporate world.
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๊ธฐ์—…์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์„์ง€ ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:43
So, yeah, I let things come in to my space.
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๋„ค, ์ €๋Š” ์ œ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์— ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:47
I get distracted.
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์ฃผ์˜๊ฐ€ ์‚ฐ๋งŒํ•ด์ง„๋‹ค.
15:49
Yes.
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15:49
Yeah, that's really hard, isn't it?
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์˜ˆ.
์‘, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“ค์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€?
15:50
And then I find that because I'm distracted by things during the day in my
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฎ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์—
15:55
personal life, I end up pushing my work into the evening or into the weekend.
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์ผ๋กœ ์ฃผ์˜๊ฐ€ ์‚ฐ๋งŒํ•ด์ ธ์„œ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ผ์„ ์ €๋…์ด๋‚˜ ์ฃผ๋ง๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ฏธ๋ฃจ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋์–ด์š”.
16:01
And so then my work life balance completely goes off.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค ๋ณด๋‹ˆ ์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฌด๋„ˆ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:06
Would you say that's every weekend that you push it in?
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์ฃผ๋ง๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋ฐ€์–ด ๋„ฃ๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
16:08
Or just sometimes when there's like a big launch or something, what does
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ฐ€๋” ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ์ถœ์‹œ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ ์ผ์ด
16:11
that end up looking like for you?
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๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด๋‚˜์š”?
16:14
I would say that the majority of the time, unless it's a special
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ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์ด์ƒ,
16:18
occasion, for example, over Christmas or during the school holidays, when
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค๋งˆ์Šค ๋‚˜ ๋ฐฉํ•™ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ
16:22
the children are taking a break from their childcare settings.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋ณด์œก ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ํœด์‹์„ ์ทจํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋ฅผ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๋ฉด ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:26
The majority of the time I have to give extra time to my work because
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์—…๋ฌด์— ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
16:32
when you own a business, when you run a business, the buck stops with you.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์šด์˜ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ฑ…์ž„์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:36
If don't address the problems and the business will fail and it will be
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๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์‚ฌ์—…์ด ์‹คํŒจํ•˜๊ณ 
16:41
detrimental to everyone who you employ.
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๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋ผ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:43
Correct.
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์˜ณ์€.
16:44
So, you know, it's very hard to find the balance, but some days I
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š”
16:48
do say, you know, like this weekend I'm going to really focus on my
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์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ๋ง์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
16:52
family and I switch the phone off.
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๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊บผ์•ผ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:54
I don't come down to the office.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ๋‚ด๋ ค์˜ค์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:55
I make sure there's no meetings put in on those times, but it is something I
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๊ทธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์—๋Š” ํšŒ์˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋„๋ก ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
17:02
have to actively seek that work-life balance, you know, getting it right.
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์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
17:07
Sometimes work takes over to a point where I don't do exercise for weeks.
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ ์šด๋™์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ง€์ ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด์–ด์ง€๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:11
Yeah.
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17:11
I don't sleep very well and then I'm start to feel it and think,
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์‘.
๋‚˜๋Š” ์ž ์„ ์ž˜ ๋ชป ์ž๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋А๋ผ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ , '
17:14
no, I need to sort this out again.
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์•„๋‹ˆ, ์ด๊ฑธ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:16
Yeah, self care.
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์‘, ์ž๊ธฐ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ. ๋‚˜
17:17
One thing that helped with me, I have the same issue.
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์—๊ฒŒ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๋™์ผํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:19
I, often, my family just doesn't allow me to work on the weekend, so I can't.
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์ €๋Š” ์ข…์ข… ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋ง์— ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:22
No, it's not an option.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์„ ํƒ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:25
But this weekend, for example, I'll need to work for sure.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ๋ง์—๋Š” ๊ผญ ์ผ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
17:28
Just due to the holiday.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ํœด์ผ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:30
And then taking a day off in the middle of January, I just need it.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ 1์›” ์ค‘์ˆœ์— ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์‰ฌ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋‹ˆ ๋”ฑ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋„ค์š”.
17:33
One thing that's helped me though, is taking my work email off my phone.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋˜ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ์—…๋ฌด์šฉ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋นผ๋‚ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:36
So, when I am out on the weekend or on the evening, just doing something
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฃผ๋ง์ด๋‚˜ ์ €๋…์— ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด
17:40
personal, I can't check my work email.
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์—…๋ฌด ๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
17:43
And that's a change that I made about two years ago.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ฝ 2๋…„ ์ „์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“  ๋ณ€ํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:45
And I don't miss it at all.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ „ํ˜€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์›Œํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:47
Like I couldn't take care of it anyways, so, why check it?
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์–ด์ฐจํ”ผ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ํ…๋ฐ , ์™œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑธ๊นŒ์š”?
17:50
Why know if there's a fire brewing or something, right?
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๋ถˆ์ด ๋“๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์™œ ์•Œ์ฃ ?
17:53
Yeah.
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17:53
That's a really, really good tip actually.
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์‘.
์ •๋ง ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์ด๋„ค์š”.
17:56
Something I should probably do.
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์•„๋งˆ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:57
But then again, all my team have my phone number.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋˜, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํŒ€ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด ์ „ํ™”๋ฒˆํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
18:00
Mm.
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18:00
Do they text you all the time?
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Mm.
๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฌธ์ž๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋‚˜์š”?
18:02
Even, okay.
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
18:03
Hmm.
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18:03
Interesting.
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ํ .
ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด.
18:04
They're quite good.
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18:04
And actually, I prefer to be in the know about what's happening.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฝค ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:07
Yeah.
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์‘.
18:08
Than not.
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18:08
Yes, of course.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค.
๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
18:09
Because I'm just so involved, but it would be good sometimes to be
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ด€์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š”
18:13
able just to completely switch off.
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ์Šค์œ„์น˜๋ฅผ ๋Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:15
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
18:16
And I guess we're lucky.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šด์ด ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
18:18
You mentioned that your family, you know, tell you, you can't work
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ณ  ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ์ผํ•˜๋ฉด
18:22
and you have people to intervene if you're working too hard.
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๊ฐœ์ž…ํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
18:26
And it's the same for me.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‚˜๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋‹ค.
18:27
My partner will say to me sometimes, or my kids will be like,
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๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋” ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‚ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด
18:29
"Mummy, can't work today.
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"์—„๋งˆ, ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด์š”.
18:31
Want to spend time with you."
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์—„๋งˆ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:32
Yeah, yeah.
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์‘, ์‘.
18:33
Some people work, are living alone and don't have that.
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์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ , ํ˜ผ์ž ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:36
And I guess in those cases, remote working can lead to feeling
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ์›๊ฒฉ ๊ทผ๋ฌด๊ฐ€
18:39
very isolated and lonely because they're not seeing anybody all day.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ๋˜๊ณ  ์™ธ๋กœ์›€์„ ๋А๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:46
Oh, a hundred percent.
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์•„, 100ํผ์„ผํŠธ์š”.
18:47
I worry about that, right.
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๋‚œ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ฑฑ์ •๋ผ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€.
18:49
I imagine, you know, I'm really thankful that I live with my family
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๊ฐ€์กฑ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ,
18:53
and that I get pulled away and they create plans for me, right?
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋Œ๋ ค๊ฐ€๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์›Œ์ค€ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
18:57
They just say, we're doing this on Friday night.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ ๋ฐค์— ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:00
You're not working.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:01
And so, thank goodness for that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:03
But yeah, I think that that is a big con and a danger actually,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํฐ ์‚ฌ๊ธฐ์ด์ž ์œ„ํ—˜์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:07
now that people have gone remote.
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.
19:08
For sure.
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๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
19:09
Yeah.
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19:09
Especially when it comes to like mental health problems, it could
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์‘.
ํŠนํžˆ ์ •์‹  ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
19:13
definitely lead to a rise in feeling depressed because loneliness definitely
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์™ธ๋กœ์›€์€
19:17
leads to depression and anxiety.
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์šฐ์šธ์ฆ๊ณผ ๋ถˆ์•ˆ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์šฐ์šธ์ฆ์˜ ์ฆ๊ฐ€๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:20
And you mentioned earlier about feeling concerned for people who are
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
19:23
just entering into the workplace.
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๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ง์žฅ์— ์ž…์‚ฌํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฑฑ์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•ž์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:25
So, those people who spent years and years studying and then come into the
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•œ ํ›„ ์ง์žฅ์— ์™”์ง€๋งŒ
19:30
workplace, but are instantly thrown into remote working, they definitely miss out
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์ฆ‰์‹œ ์›๊ฒฉ ๊ทผ๋ฌด์— ํˆฌ์ž…๋œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
19:35
on this opportunity to kind of network and find mentors and build those relationships
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๋ฅผ ํ˜•์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฉ˜ํ† ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ 
19:42
that are vital for career progression.
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๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ ๋ฐœ์ „์— ํ•„์ˆ˜์ ์ธ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋†“์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:45
Right.
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19:45
I think also they're my, I don't, this is a little bit foreign
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
๋‚˜๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚ด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „์— ๊ธฐ์—… ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ
19:48
to me because I haven't worked in the corporate world before.
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์ผํ•ด ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‚ฏ์„ค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
19:51
But I would imagine that there's also an aspect of not learning kind of your role.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ญํ• ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ธก๋ฉด๋„ ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์„๊นŒ ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:56
If you're just entering the company or in your early twenties, you kind of, by
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๋ง‰ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์— ์ž…์‚ฌํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ 20๋Œ€ ์ดˆ๋ฐ˜์ด๋ผ๋ฉด
20:00
going into the workplace, you kind of learn your place, you learn where you
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์ง์žฅ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์œ„์น˜์™€
20:03
are in the context of this organisation.
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์ด ์กฐ์ง์˜ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์—์„œ ์ž์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:07
Whereas if you're just online, isolated at home.
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๋ฐ˜๋ฉด์— ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์ƒํƒœ๋ผ๋ฉด ์ง‘์—์„œ ๊ฒฉ๋ฆฌํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
20:11
You might be a little tone-deaf around what's really going
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์กฐ์ง์—์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‘”๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
20:13
on in the organisation.
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.
20:14
Does that make sense?
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๋ง์ด ๋ผ?
20:15
Yeah, absolutely.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
20:16
Yeah, absolutely.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
20:18
And also there's things that I haven't outsourced, because they're
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๋˜ํ•œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„์›ƒ์†Œ์‹ฑํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
20:22
very practical hands on kinds of creative jobs that really need
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20:27
me to be standing over someone.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์‹ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฐฝ์˜์ ์ธ ์ž‘์—…์— ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:30
Like literally at the desk with them and really going through
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๋ฌธ์ž๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ฑ…์ƒ์— ์•‰์•„ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
20:32
them, which just isn't the same to kind of connect remotely, you
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:38
know, so I go, do you know what?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์•„์š”?
20:39
I'm not going to outsource my editing.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ํŽธ์ง‘์„ ์•„์›ƒ์†Œ์‹ฑํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค.
20:41
I'm not going to outsource this, that, and the other because it's
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ, ์ €๊ฒƒ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•„์›ƒ์†Œ์‹ฑํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
20:43
just too hard to train people up remotely to do what I want them to do.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ต์œก์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ต๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
20:48
Oh, wow yeah.
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์•„, ์™€, ์‘.
20:50
So, you know, potentially people in my team who could be doing more creative
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‚ด ํŒ€์—์„œ ๋” ์ฐฝ์˜์ ์ธ
20:55
work aren't because I don't feel like I can bring them up to speed remotely.
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์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ž‘์—… ์†๋„๋ฅผ ๋†’์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด ์•„๋‹ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
21:00
So, it's difficult.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:01
But I do employ mostly, in fact, I don't think I have anyone in
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ง์žฅ์„ ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค
21:06
my team who lives in the UK.
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์ œ ํŒ€์—๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํ•œ ๋ช…๋„ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
21:08
No.
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21:08
So, you know, like that pro that we talked about, the fact that you can
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•œ ๊ทธ ํ”„๋กœ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
21:13
live anywhere and work remotely.
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์–ด๋””์„œ๋‚˜ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์•„์‹œ์ฃ ?
21:15
I've got people living in Ukraine, in America, in Spain, you know, all over the
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์šฐํฌ๋ผ์ด๋‚˜, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ, ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ, ์ „
21:20
world, Italy, Malta, all over the place.
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์„ธ๊ณ„, ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„, ๋ชฐํƒ€ ๋“ฑ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณณ์— ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:23
That's amazing.
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๊ทธ ๋†€๋ผ์šด.
21:24
And we all work together on this one project and it works really well.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์—์„œ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:27
That's really cool.
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์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง€๋„ค์š”.
21:28
Yeah.
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์‘.
21:29
That truly is cool.
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์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง€๋„ค์š”.
21:30
Right.
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21:30
So talent, there are no boundaries to talent.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์žฌ๋Šฅ, ์žฌ๋Šฅ์—๋Š” ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:32
And I think for the big corporations, that's what they're seeing as well.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋Œ€๊ธฐ์—…๋“ค ์—ญ์‹œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:35
Even just, let's say a company based in New York no longer has
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๋‹จ์ง€, ๋‰ด์š•์— ๋ณธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋‘” ํšŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์ด์ƒ
21:38
to just hire within New York city.
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๋‰ด์š•์‹œ ๋‚ด์—์„œ๋งŒ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ด๋‹น ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ตœ๊ณ ๋ผ๋ฉด
21:40
They can hire someone in Montana if they are the best in that field.
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๋ชฌํƒ€๋‚˜์—์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
21:44
That's amazing.
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๊ทธ ๋†€๋ผ์šด.
21:45
Yeah, as long as the technology all works, because that's definitely
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๋„ค, ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ
21:49
been one of the difficulties.
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์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
21:51
When there's like blackouts in Spain.
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์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์— ์ •์ „์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์„ ๋•Œ.
21:54
Oh my gosh!
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์ด๋Ÿฐ!
21:55
And I just can't get in touch with my teachers and I'm like,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค๊ณผ ์—ฐ๋ฝ์ด ์•ˆ ๋ผ์„œ '
21:57
oh no, we've got classes!
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์•„, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ˆ˜์—…์ด ์žˆ์–ด!'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
21:58
Does that happen a lot?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋‚˜์š”?
21:59
It's happened a few times.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:01
Actually, it's happened a few times in the last six months,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ง€๋‚œ 6๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
22:04
I think storms cause problems.
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ํญํ’์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
22:08
But you know, it's small things, small problems, nothing major.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž‘์€ ์ผ, ์ž‘์€ ๋ฌธ์ œ, ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:13
So I want to just move on to giving just three tips, like top
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋”์šฑ ํšจ์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฃผ์š” ํŒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํŒ๋งŒ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
22:18
tips of what people can do to make working from home more efficient.
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.
22:24
Sure.
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”.
22:25
And so I'm going to lead with the first one, which is to
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ฃผ๋„ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋กœ
22:28
establish a dedicated workspace.
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์ „์šฉ ์ž‘์—… ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:32
I think that's so important.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:33
When I first started working from home, once I had children, I was
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์ฒ˜์Œ ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ , ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ
22:37
working just in the corner of the front room and it was a disaster.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์•ž๋ฐฉ ๊ตฌ์„์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ •๋ง ์—‰๋ง์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:42
I couldn't focus for a second because all the action was happening just there, right
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๋ชจ๋“  ํ–‰๋™์ด
22:47
behind my head and I just couldn't focus.
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๋‚ด ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋’ค์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ž ์‹œ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:50
I was constantly distracted.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Š์ž„์—†์ด ์ฃผ์˜๊ฐ€ ์‚ฐ๋งŒํ•ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:52
Yes.
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22:52
So, having this kind of physical separation, I think is really important.
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์˜ˆ.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
22:56
I, now I said I work in the shed, in the studio at the bottom of the garden.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ •์› ์•„๋ž˜์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์—…์‹ค์˜ ์ฐฝ๊ณ ์—์„œ ์ผํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:01
So, there is this small commute of a few steps.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฑธ์Œ์˜ ์ž‘์€ ํ†ต๊ทผ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:05
That's great.
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23:05
Away from the house into a completely separate space.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ด์š”.
์ง‘์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌ๋œ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ.
23:08
And when I decide I'm done, I lock the studio.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๋ฉด ์ŠคํŠœ๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ž ๊ธ‰๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:12
And I walk away and that's me then done with work for that day.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋– ๋‚˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋‚ ์˜ ์ผ์€ ๋๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:15
Yeah, that's amazing.
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์‘, ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ž๋‹ค.
23:16
That's the way you have to do it.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:18
Are you in your house?
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๋‹น์‹  ์ง‘์— ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
23:19
Do you have a dedicated office?
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์ „๋‹ด ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
23:20
How does it work?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
23:21
Yes, I'm lucky to have...
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๋„ค, ์šด์ด ์ข‹๊ฒŒ๋„...
23:23
I have the office here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
23:24
We have a small apartment or we have a small house in the city of Denver, but
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ด๋ฒ„์‹œ์— ์ž‘์€ ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ๋‚˜ ์ž‘์€ ์ง‘์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
23:30
we have a couple of bedrooms and one of them we have converted into an office.
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์นจ์‹ค์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐœ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค๋กœ ๊ฐœ์กฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:34
So, I am in here and then my partner is in, it sounds bad, but we converted
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์–ด์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ
23:40
the closet into a small office.
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์˜ท์žฅ์„ ์ž‘์€ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค๋กœ ๊ฐœ์กฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:42
We took all the shelves out.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ ๋ฐ˜์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊บผ๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:43
It sounds terrible, but it's actually pretty good, a cute
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๋”์ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ฝค ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€์—ฝ๊ณ 
23:45
little cubicle-type scenario.
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์ž‘์€ ์นธ๋ง‰์ด ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:48
And so, we've been able to carve out our own working spaces.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋งŒ์˜ ์ž‘์—… ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:51
And yeah, thank God for that.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ์‹ ๊ป˜ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:53
If I had to sleep in here, that would also be unhealthy, right?
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ž์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์— ํ•ด๋กญ๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
23:56
So...
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23:56
Yeah.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ...
์‘.
23:57
Where you sleep should not be where you work, if you can control it now in
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์ž ์„ ์ž๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด ๋˜์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ง€๊ธˆ
24:01
cities, with tiny spaces like Tokyo, New York City, that's not always possible.
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๋„์ฟ„, ๋‰ด์š•๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ž‘์€ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋„์‹œ์—์„œ ํ†ต์ œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:07
So, we have to try to work something out but as much as we can separate that space,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„
24:11
sleeping space, working space, important.
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์ž ์ž๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฐ„, ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งŒํผ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์š”.
24:13
Yeah, when I first moved into the area that I'm living in now,
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๋„ค, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ์œผ๋กœ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ด์‚ฌํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
24:17
I was very young on YouTube.
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์ €๋Š” YouTube๋ฅผ ์ ‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ์–ด๋ ธ๋˜ ์‹œ์ ˆ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:19
I think I'd only been doing English Like a Native on YouTube for a year
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์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ๋กœ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ 1๋…„ ์ •๋„๋งŒ ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€
24:24
and I suddenly found myself homeless.
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๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ๋…ธ์ˆ™์ž๊ฐ€ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
24:26
So, I moved into a room in someone's house.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:29
Wow!
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์šฐ์™€!
24:30
So I rented this room and it was a tiny room with a double bed
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋ฐฉ์„ ๋นŒ๋ ธ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋”๋ธ” ์นจ๋Œ€
24:33
and just space for a little desk.
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์™€ ์ž‘์€ ์ฑ…์ƒ๋งŒ ์žˆ๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ์ž‘์€ ๋ฐฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:35
Yeah.
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์‘.
24:36
And I would sit on my bed to be at the desk that was so small and I would
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž‘์€ ์ฑ…์ƒ์— ์žˆ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์นจ๋Œ€์— ์•‰์•˜๊ณ ,
24:42
find that because I didn't have that separation, I would literally be up
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ
24:46
working, editing, planning until like two in the morning and my eyes were literally
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2์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ , ํŽธ์ง‘ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์› ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ๋ˆˆ์€ ๋ฉํ•˜๋‹ˆ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ
24:51
like having to have matchsticks keeping my eyes open because they wouldn't stay open.
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์„ฑ๋ƒฅ๊ฐœ๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋ˆˆ์„ ๋œจ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ณ„์† ๋ˆˆ์„ ๋œจ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:55
And then I'd go to bed and have a headache and not sleep well.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค๋ฉด ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„ํ”„๊ณ  ์ž ๋„ ์ž˜ ๋ชป ์ž๊ณค ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
24:58
And then I'd be up at eight in the morning because I'm like,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์•„์นจ 8์‹œ์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
25:00
I've got to start filming at nine.
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9์‹œ์— ์ดฌ์˜์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:02
Back at it.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
25:03
When the sun's up.
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25:03
Yeah.
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ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋œฐ ๋•Œ.
์‘.
25:04
Yeah.
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25:04
You know...
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์‘.
์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ...
25:05
It was very unhealthy.
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๊ฑด๊ฐ•์— ๋งค์šฐ ํ•ด๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:06
Oh, sounds super...
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์•„, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋„ค์š”...
25:07
yeah.
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๋„ค.
25:08
There's always, I think for companies like ours, there's always a hustle period.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—๋Š” ๋Š˜ ๋ฐ”์œ ์‹œ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
25:11
And I would argue I'm still in the hustle period in a way, but I think
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ—ˆ์Šฌ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์›์— ๋‹ค๋‹ ๋•Œ ๋งค์‚ฌ์ถ”์„ธ์ธ  ์ฃผ ์ผ€์ž„๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ์ง€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฃธ๋ฉ”์ดํŠธ
25:15
there's, I had a similar hustle period where I rented a room in a house of five
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5๋ช…์˜ ์ง‘์—์„œ ๋ฐฉ์„ ๋นŒ๋ ธ๋˜ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ํ—ˆ์Šฌ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
25:20
roommates in Cambridge, Mass when I was in graduate school and I was working at
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25:23
my desk, you know, my bed was right there.
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๋‚ด ์ฑ…์ƒ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋‚ด ์นจ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
25:26
Everything was right in that same room and there was a lot of hustle going on.
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๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฉ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ๋ฒŒ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:29
Maybe that's what we do for a couple of years, but as soon as
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ํ•ด์™”๋˜ ์ผ์ผ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ,
25:32
we can, we should try to separate.
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๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ํ•œ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ํ—ค์–ด์ง€๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:35
Yeah.
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25:35
Even within the same house, like an office bedroom.
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์‘.
์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ์นจ์‹ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ง‘ ์•ˆ์—์„œ๋„ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
25:37
Yeah.
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์‘.
25:38
Absolutely.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
25:39
And then on the theme of keeping ourselves healthy and looking after our
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์„ ์ง€ํ‚ค๊ณ  ์›ฐ๋น™์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”
25:44
well-being, I think having structure to your schedule and making sure you have
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์ผ์ •์„ ์ฒด๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์งœ๊ณ 
25:49
regular breaks would be the next tip.
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์ •๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํœด์‹์„ ์ทจํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹ค์Œ ํŒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:52
Mm hmm.
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25:52
Because this is something I still have to remind myself to do.
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์Œ ํ .
์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์ง๋„ ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:55
I'll just get into like deep work.
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๋‚œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊นŠ์€ ์ผ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
25:58
And if my partner isn't at home working in the office with me, cause he's very good
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์— ์—†๊ณ  ๋‚˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ์ผํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋Š”
26:02
at remembering lunchtime to be honest.
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์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ ์ ์‹ฌ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:04
He's like,
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๊ทธ๋Š”
26:05
"Right.
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"๋งž์•„์š”.
26:06
It's time for lunch.
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26:06
I'm hungry."
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์ ์‹ฌ ๋จน์„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด์—์š”.
๋ฐฐ๊ณ ํŒŒ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
26:07
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
26:08
Whereas I'll just work through work through and then go, I've got a
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ผ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌ๋งŒ โ€‹โ€‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐˆ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ธ๋ฐ
26:11
headache and I'm feeling a bit off.
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๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋„ ์•„ํ”„๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋ถ„๋„ ์ข€ ์•ˆ์ข‹๋„ค์š”.
26:13
Oh, it's because it's three o'clock and I haven't eaten since eight this morning.
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์•„, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ง€๊ธˆ์ด 3์‹œ์ธ๋ฐ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ 8์‹œ ์ดํ›„๋กœ ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋จน์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”.
26:17
Wow!
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์šฐ์™€!
26:18
So, I think having a set schedule and actually allowing
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ์ •์„ ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
26:22
a little time for a break.
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ํœด์‹ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
26:24
Do you have a set schedule in the day for yourself?
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ค‘ ๋‚˜๋งŒ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ •ํ•ด์ง„ ์ผ์ •์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
26:27
Yeah, I'm pretty routine.
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์‘, ๋‚œ ๊ฝค ์ผ์ƒ์ ์ด์•ผ.
26:28
So, that's how I find that I'm able to get more done and just kind of set
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ฃจํ‹ด์„ ๊ฐ€์ง์œผ๋กœ์จ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋”
26:32
bigger goals is by having a routine.
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ํฐ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์„ธ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:34
So, I take my dog for a walk at 6:30 in the morning, eat breakfast, shower.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์นจ 6์‹œ 30๋ถ„์— ๊ฐ•์•„์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  , ์•„์นจ์„ ๋จน๊ณ , ์ƒค์›Œ๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:38
I'm at my desk by eight.
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๋‚˜๋Š” 8์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ฑ…์ƒ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•ด์š”.
26:40
And then I am usually hungry at noon.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ์ •์˜ค์— ๋ฐฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ํ”„๋‹ค.
26:42
So, I do go and eat lunch.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ฐ€์„œ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ๋จน์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:44
And then, but I don't take much time away from my desk.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ฑ…์ƒ์—์„œ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ–์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:47
That's the thing I could probably add in is maybe go for
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง๋ถ™์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
26:49
a half hour walk after eating.
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์‹์‚ฌ ํ›„ 30๋ถ„ ์ •๋„ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:52
That would be smart actually.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ˜„๋ช…ํ•œ ์ผ์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ .
26:53
Maybe I'll try that today.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด ๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:54
Yeah.
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์‘.
26:55
And actually exercise after eating is very good to keep your blood sugar in check.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‹์‚ฌ ํ›„ ์šด๋™์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ˜ˆ๋‹น์„ ์กฐ์ ˆํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:59
I heard that.
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26:59
I've read that recently.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‚˜๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:01
Yeah.
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27:01
I think we might've read the same article.
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์‘.
๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฝ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
27:03
Yeah.
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์‘.
27:04
And then I usually work until about six.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋ณดํ†ต 6์‹œ์ฏค๊นŒ์ง€ ์ผํ•ด์š”.
27:06
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
27:07
Okay, yeah.
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์•Œ์•˜์–ด, ์‘.
27:09
I was in the habit of, I have to make every single minute count,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งค ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์Šต๊ด€์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:12
especially when you're paying a fortune for childcare, you're like,
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ํŠนํžˆ ์œก์•„์— ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ '
27:15
I am paying for these minutes.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋ถ„์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:17
Yes.
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27:17
I can't take a second to stop.
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์˜ˆ.
์ž ์‹œ๋„ ๋ฉˆ์ถœ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
27:19
So, I'd be eating in front of the computer or I'd be eating while
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ์•ž์—์„œ ๋ฐฅ์„ ๋จน๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
27:23
writing an email with my other hand.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์†์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ์“ฐ๋ฉด์„œ ๋จน๊ณค ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
27:24
Sure.
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”.
27:25
Sure.
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27:25
Or reading notes for something.
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”.
์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์ฝ๋Š” ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:28
And.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ .
27:29
I would just find that I'd get to the end of a day like that and just feel like I'd
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งˆ์น˜
27:33
been hit by a bus, I'd feel horrendous.
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๋ฒ„์Šค์— ์น˜์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋“ค์–ด์„œ ๋”์ฐํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€
27:36
I'd feel like I was coming down with something.
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๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋А๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
27:38
My glands in my neck would be swollen.
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๋ชฉ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋•€์ƒ˜์ด ๋ถ€์–ด์˜ฌ๋ž์–ด์š”.
27:39
I'm very sensitive to these things.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:41
Wow, yeah.
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์™€, ์‘.
27:42
And just not feel very well in myself at all and think I need to
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ์ž์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ „ํ˜€ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ๋‚˜
27:47
stop being so hard on myself and make sure I have space to breathe.
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์ž์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ€ํ˜นํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ณ  ์ˆจ์„ ์‰ด ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:52
Yes, completely.
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๋„ค, ์™„์ „ํžˆ์š”.
27:53
I mean, it's a fair point, right?
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์ œ ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํƒ€๋‹นํ•œ ์ง€์ ์ด์ž–์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
27:54
I, we don't have kids.
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์ €, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
27:55
So...
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ...
27:56
'Cause the thing is you have to remember that if you burn out completely,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ํƒˆ์ง„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด
28:01
then you're going to be taking a lot more time out than just taking
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๋‹จ์ง€
28:05
15, 20 minutes to have a break.
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15, 20๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ํœด์‹์„ ์ทจํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์†Œ๋น„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:08
So, it's better to be healthy and be the best version of yourself at
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์•ž์„œ๊ฐ€๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ž์‹ ์„
28:12
work and at home than burn yourself out in the hopes of trying to get
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ํƒœ์›Œ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง์žฅ๊ณผ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:16
ahead, you know, a little more.
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.
28:19
Or worst case, if you burn out you may need to keep working,
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๋˜๋Š” ์ตœ์•…์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ํƒˆ์ง„ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ณ„์† ์ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„
28:22
but you won't be your best self.
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:24
You'll be a fraction of who you could be, you know, and your staff will
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  , ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ง์›์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„
28:28
notice that and they will probably start to get nervous about the success
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์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•ด์ง€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:32
of the company 'cause our teams take a lot of cues from us as to how
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28:36
things are going and how secure is their job, that kind of thing, right.
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๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€, ์ง์—…์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑฐ์š”.
28:40
Yeah.
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28:40
I'm very bad at working, in the evening, I just kind of power down.
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์‘.
๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ž˜ ๋ชปํ•ด์„œ ์ €๋…์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํž˜์ด ๋น ์ง„๋‹ค.
28:45
And so I'll sit at my computer and it's like, I can't even read the text.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ์•ž์— ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์กฐ์ฐจ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
28:49
It's like my eyes stop working.
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๋ˆˆ์ด ์ž‘๋™์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถ˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
28:51
And it takes me forever to write anything creative.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฐฝ์˜์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์“ฐ๋ ค๋ฉด ์˜์›ํžˆ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:53
Oh yeah.
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์˜ค ์˜ˆ.
28:54
But my partner on the other hand is fantastic in the evening.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด์— ๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์ €๋…์— ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:57
He kind of is, you know.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—์š”.
28:59
Powers up?
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28:59
A real night owl.
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์ „์›์ด ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค๋‚˜์š”?
์ง„์งœ ๋ฐค ์˜ฌ๋นผ๋ฏธ.
29:01
So, we have this routine now that we don't have childcare in the afternoon.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜คํ›„์— ๋ณด์œก์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ƒ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:05
So my partner takes the children in the afternoon while I continue working and
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์† ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์˜คํ›„์— ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋…
29:10
then we swap over at dinnertime and after the kids have gone to bed, he'll come out
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ์„œ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์„œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“  ํ›„ ๋‚˜์™€์„œ
29:15
and work for most of the evening where I'm in the house looking after the kids.
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์ €๋… ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์—์„œ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ด๋“ค.
29:19
Interesting.
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ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด.
29:20
Yeah.
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29:20
That works quite nicely.
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์‘.
๊ฝค ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:21
Yeah.
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์‘.
29:22
No, I think that's great to go with your rhythm.
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์•„๋‹ˆ, ๋ฆฌ๋“ฌ์— ๋งž์ถ”๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
29:24
Who was, I think, I was at a conference recently and Dan
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ํ•œ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์— ์ฐธ์„ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ Dan
29:27
Pink, do you know who that is?
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Pink๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์˜€๋Š”์ง€ ์•„์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
29:28
Dan Pink, he's an author from the States.
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๋Œ„ ํ•‘ํฌ(Dan Pink)๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ถœ์‹ ์˜ ์ž‘๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:31
He did a talk on rhythms, understanding rhythms.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ฆฌ๋“ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ•์˜ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋ฆฌ๋“ฌ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:34
Some people being, he had another term for it, but the morning energy, the
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์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์šฉ์–ด๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ , ์•„์นจ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€,
29:38
daytime energy and the evening energy.
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๋‚ฎ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€, ์ €๋… ์—๋„ˆ์ง€์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:40
And that our culture is really built around that daytime energy person.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฌธํ™”๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ฃผ๊ฐ„ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์ถ•๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:44
But if you are that night-time energy, like Michelle, my co-host, she is that.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ ๊ณต๋™ ์ง„ํ–‰์ž์ธ ๋ฏธ์…ธ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฐค์˜ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:48
She does so much better in the evenings and you should honour that as much as
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ €๋…์— ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•˜๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์กด์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ 
29:52
you can and try to curate your day.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋ฅผ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:54
Yeah.
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์‘.
29:55
And so I guess the last piece of advice that I would recommend for people working
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์กฐ์–ธ์€
30:00
at home is effective communication and collaboration with other people.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ธ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต๊ณผ ํ˜‘๋ ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
30:06
This is something I'm working on at the moment with my team
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ ํŒ€๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:09
because we are so remote.
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.
30:12
It can be very difficult.
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๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋Œ€์ผ๋กœ ๋Œ€๋ฉดํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ
30:14
If I don't do things like this where I have, you know, face to face one
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
30:18
to one interaction, then sometimes a whole week can go by and I can feel
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ ๋‚ด๋‚ด
30:22
very lonely in my work and detached.
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์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ์™ธ๋กญ๊ณ  ์ดˆ์—ฐํ•ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:26
So, I think putting in like regular checkups and phone calls.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ •๊ธฐ๊ฒ€์ง„์ด๋‚˜ ์ „ํ™”ํ†ตํ™” ์ •๋„๋Š” ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
30:31
And being really clear with your team via communication is a must.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ต์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ํŒ€๊ณผ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•„์ˆ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:36
Totally.
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์™„์ „ํžˆ.
30:37
Yeah.
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30:37
We do, I do a one on one kind of more of a business meeting with
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์‘.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
30:42
Jessica, who is our IELTS expert.
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IELTS ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์ธ Jessica์™€ ์ผ๋Œ€์ผ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋ฏธํŒ…์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:44
She's on our other IELTS podcast and she also kind of helps
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ IELTS ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
30:48
make decisions in the business.
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๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์—์„œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:50
So, she and I will get together every Monday for half an hour and
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€์™€ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งค์ฃผ ์›”์š”์ผ 30๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ชจ์—ฌ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹ฌ์—
30:53
make decisions on what are we doing next month, that kind of thing.
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
30:57
And we're just experimenting now with monday.com, a task management system.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ž‘์—… ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ธ Monday.com์„ ์‹คํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:02
I don't know if you've tried any of them, or Click Up.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์‹œ๋„ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด Click Up์ธ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:04
I've heard of them.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋“ค์–ด ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:05
I use Notion.
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์ €๋Š” ๋…ธ์…˜์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:06
Notion.
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๊ฐœ๋….
31:07
Okay.
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31:07
All right.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€.
31:08
And you've been happy with that one?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋งŒ์กฑํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
31:09
Oh my goodness.
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๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ.
31:10
It makes such difference.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:11
I don't know how I ever managed without Notion in the past or any
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๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์— Notion์ด๋‚˜
31:16
of these kind of task management or project management tools.
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ž‘์—… ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ๋˜๋Š” ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ๋„๊ตฌ ์—†์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด
31:19
I think there's a little bit of a learning curve that you have to go through to
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ํ•™์Šต ๊ณก์„ ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
31:23
understand how to actually use them.
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.
31:26
But once you've got that down, then it really, if you have a more complicated
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋‹จ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฉด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋” ๋ณต์žกํ•œ
31:32
system or project, then it does help to have something like that.
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์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ด๋‚˜ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:36
It's much better than, you know, just having one...
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋งŒ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
31:39
Paper!
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31:39
Huge Google document or something or paper, yeah!
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์ข…์ด!
๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ตฌ๊ธ€ ๋ฌธ์„œ๋‚˜ ๋ญ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‚˜ ์ข…์ด, ๊ทธ๋ž˜!
31:43
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
31:44
Yeah.
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31:44
Yeah.
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์‘.
์‘. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ €์™€ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
31:45
So, thank you so much for discussing all of that with me today.
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๋…ผ์˜ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
31:50
And hopefully the listeners have gained some interesting vocabulary
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๋“ค์ด
31:55
and some good tips for staying healthy and effective when working from home.
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์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ํšจ์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ง€๋‚ด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์–ดํœ˜์™€ ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์„ ์–ป์—ˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:00
So, Lindsay, if somebody is listening to you and they haven't heard your voice
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋ฆฐ์ง€ ์”จ, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ด์ „์— ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด
32:06
before, which would be very unusual, but if they haven't, where can they find you?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์ผ์ด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋””์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
32:09
Yeah.
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์‘.
32:10
Thanks again, Anna, for having me on and your listeners can go ahead and just open
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๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Anna, ์ €๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๋“ค์ด
32:14
the search bar wherever you're listening.
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๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ๋‚˜ ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰ ์ฐฝ์„ ์—ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:16
If you're listening in the podcast, open that search bar, type in All Ears English,
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ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰์ฐฝ์„ ์—ด๊ณ  All Ears English๋ฅผ ์ž…๋ ฅํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด
32:21
and you will see three shows come up.
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3๊ฐœ์˜ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:23
You'll see a lot of yellow.
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๋…ธ๋ž€์ƒ‰์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณด์ด์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:24
That is our colour.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ƒ‰๊น”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:26
You can subscribe to the main show, All Ears English, and
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๋ฉ”์ธ ์‡ผ์ธ All Ears English๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
32:29
we publish four days a week.
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์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— 4์ผ ๋ฐœํ–‰๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:31
If you're on YouTube, you can type in that search bar, just All Ears English Podcast,
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YouTube์— ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰์ฐฝ์— All Ears English Podcast๋งŒ ์ž…๋ ฅํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด
32:36
and you'll find us over there too.
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์ €ํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์œผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:37
So, thanks again, Anna, for having me on.
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์ €๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Anna.
32:40
Thank you.
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32:40
This has been a great chat.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:41
We should do it more often.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋” ์ž์ฃผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:42
Yeah, it really has.
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32:42
Yeah.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋žฌ์–ด์š”.
์‘.
32:43
And we did actually do another little chat over on your podcast.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์งง์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:47
So, I'll put the link to that particular episode down in the
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋” ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์„ค๋ช…์— ํ•ด๋‹น ํŠน์ • ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ์ ์–ด ๋‘๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
32:51
description if anyone is interested in hearing more from the two of us.
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.
32:54
Perfect.
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32:54
So, thank you.
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ.
๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:55
Have a great day.
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์ข‹์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ๋ณด๋‚ด์„ธ์š”.
32:58
And for those of you listening, take very good care and goodbye.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค๋„ ์ž˜ ๋ณด์‚ดํ”ผ์‹œ๊ณ  ์ž‘๋ณ„ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
33:02
Alright, thanks Anna.
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š” ์• ๋‚˜.
33:03
Bye.
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์•ˆ๋…•.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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