Frank Gehry: From 1990, defending a vision for architecture

譯者: Joyce Chou 審譯者: Paoli Lee

I'm going to go right into the slides.

我就直接開始放投影片

And all I'm going to try and prove to you with these slides

我想透過這些幻燈片對你們說的是

is that I do just very straight stuff.

我做的事情都是很直接的(法蘭克‧蓋瑞的風格以複雜扭曲聞名)

And my ideas are --

我的想法是

in my head, anyway -- they're very logical

至少在我腦海裡，都是很有邏輯性的

and relate to what's going on and problem solving for clients.

而且與現實相關，為客戶解決問題的

I either convince clients at the end that I solve their problems,

要不就是我說服客戶，最終幫他們解決了問題

or I really do solve their problems,

要不就是我真的幫他們解決了問題

because usually they seem to like it.

因為他們似乎也挺滿意我為他們做的

Let me go right into the slides.

我們現在來看幻燈片

Can you turn off the light? Down.

能幫忙把燈關掉嗎？

I like to be in the dark.

我喜歡待在黑暗中

I don't want you to see what I'm doing up here.

我不想讓你們看到我在這裡做什麼

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

Anyway, I did this house in Santa Monica,

這是我在聖塔莫妮卡建的房子

and it got a lot of notoriety.

這棟房子得到許多糟糕的評價

In fact, it appeared in a porno comic book,

事實上，它後來出現在一本色情漫畫裡

which is the slide on the right.

就是右邊這張幻燈片

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

This is in Venice.

這是在加州的威尼斯

I just show it because I want you to know

我展示這張照片是想讓你們知道

I'm concerned about context.

我很注重建築物周圍的環境

On the left-hand side,

在左邊這張幻燈片中

I had the context of those little houses,

周圍的環境裡有很多小型的建築物

and I tried to build a building that fit into that context.

我試圖要建造一個可以融入這樣環境的建築

When people take pictures of these buildings out of that context

當人們在拍攝這些建築物的時候

they look really weird,

會發現這些建築物看起來很古怪

and my premise is that they make a lot more sense

而我認為這些建築物更適合

when they're photographed or seen in that space.

從建築物本身的內部空間來欣賞和拍攝

And then, once I deal with the context,

然後，當我搞定了周遭的環境後

I then try to make a place that's comfortable and private and fairly serene,

我就想創造一個舒適，隱密和寧靜的空間

as I hope you'll find that slide on the right.

就像右邊幻燈片上的那樣

And then I did a law school for Loyola in downtown L.A.

接下來是我為Loyola大學在洛杉磯市中心設計的法學院

I was concerned about making a place for the study of law.

我注重的是如何創造一個適合學習法律的空間

And we continue to work with this client.

我們現在也還持續的與這個客戶合作

The building on the right at the top is now under construction.

在右上方的那棟建築現在還在建造中

The garage on the right -- the gray structure -- will be torn down,

右邊的車庫，灰色的那棟，最後也會拆掉

finally, and several small classrooms will be placed

最後，一些小的教室

along this avenue that we've created, this campus.

會分佈在這個校園中我們所設計的這條街道

And it all related to the clients and the students

這些都與第一次與客戶和學生見面所得知的意見相關

from the very first meeting saying they felt denied a place.

他們說感覺與這個地方格格不入

They wanted a sense of place.

他們希望能有個獨特的空間

And so the whole idea here was to create that kind of space

所以整體的想法就是在市中心，這樣難以協調的環境裡

in downtown, in a neighborhood that was difficult to fit into.

創造出那樣的空間

And it was my theory, or my point of view,

我的理論，或者說是我的觀點是

that one didn't upstage the neighborhood --

不去和周圍的環境搶風頭

one made accommodations.

而是可以融入那樣的環境裡

I tried to be inclusive, to include the buildings in the neighborhood,

不管我喜不喜歡那些建築，我試著去包容

whether they were buildings I liked or not.

把鄰近的建築物都包含在內

In the '60s I started working with paper furniture

在60年代，我開始設計紙傢俱

and made a bunch of stuff that was very successful in Bloomingdale's.

我做出來的一些成品在Bloomingdales百貨公司非常受歡迎

We even made flooring, walls and everything, out of cardboard.

我們甚至有用硬紙板做成的地板、牆和其他的東西

And the success of it threw me for a loop.

紙傢俱的成功讓我大吃一驚

I couldn't deal with the success of furniture --

我難以接受因為紙傢俱而帶來的成功

I wasn't secure enough as an architect --

這讓身為建築師的我覺得沒有安全感

and so I closed it all up and made furniture that nobody would like.

於是我放棄了這個事業，開始製作沒人會喜歡的傢俱

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

So, nobody would like this.

所以，沒有人會喜歡這樣

And it was in this, preliminary to these pieces of furniture,

就是這樣在做這些傢俱之前

that Ricky and I worked on furniture by the slice.

Ricky和我開始做"薄片傢俱"

And after we failed, I just kept failing.

我們失敗後，我又屢戰屢敗

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

The piece on the left --

左邊的那個傢俱

and that ultimately led to the piece on the right --

最後變成右邊的樣子

happened when the kid that was working on this

當時有個幫我們做事的孩子

took one of those long strings of stuff and folded it up

他把其中一長串紙捲摺疊起來

to put it in the wastebasket.

要丟進垃圾桶裡

And I put a piece of tape around it,

我用膠帶在周圍黏了一圈

as you see there, and realized you could sit on it,

就像你們現在看到的樣子，我發現人可以坐在上頭

and it had a lot of resilience and strength and so on.

它的彈性和強度等等的都很好

So, it was an accidental discovery.

所以，這算是個意外的發現

I got into fish.

我對魚也很有興趣

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

I mean, the story I tell is that I got mad at postmodernism -- at po-mo --

我的意思是，我對後現代主義開始產生興趣

and said that fish were 500 million years earlier than man,

我說，魚比人類早了五億年出現

and if you're going to go back, we might as well go back to the beginning.

如果你想追本溯源，那就乾脆回到最初

And so I started making these funny things.

所以我開始創作這些很好笑的東西

And they started to have a life of their own and got bigger --

結果他們開始有自己的生命，而且轉變越來越大

as the one glass at the Walker.

就像Walker藝術中心裡的那只玻璃魚雕塑作品

And then, I sliced off the head and the tail and everything

然後我把它的頭和尾巴之類的的部分切掉

and tried to translate what I was learning

試著轉化我從魚身上學到的

about the form of the fish and the movement.

關於魚的形體和游動的樣子

And a lot of my architectural ideas that came from it --

我有很多建築的想法都是從魚身上得到的

accidental, again --

這又是另一個意外的發現

it was an intuitive kind of thing, and I just kept going with it,

這就是一種直覺，我也一直跟著直覺走

and made this proposal for a building, which was only a proposal.

然後我提交了一個建案，那只是一個提案

I did this building in Japan.

我在日本設計了這棟房子

I was taken out to dinner after the contract

在簽約後有人帶我出去吃飯

for this little restaurant was signed.

合約是關於這間小餐館

And I love sake and Kobe and all that stuff.

我喜愛日本清酒和神戶牛肉那些東西

And after I got -- I was really drunk --

在我喝醉後，我真的喝醉了

I was asked to do some sketches on napkins.

有人要我在餐巾紙上畫些草圖

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

And I made some sketches on napkins --

所以我就在餐巾紙上畫了些我以前曾經做過的草圖

little boxes and Morandi-like things that I used to do.

一些方塊狀的物體和Morandi風格的東西(Morandi是極簡主義繪畫大師)

And the client said, "Why no fish?"

然後我的客戶說：「為什麼不畫魚？」

And so I made a drawing with a fish, and I left Japan.

所以我就畫了條魚，後來我離開了日本

Three weeks later, I received a complete set of drawings

三個星期後我收到一套完整的設計圖

saying we'd won the competition.

說我們贏得了競標

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

Now, it's hard to do. It's hard to translate a fish form,

現在問題來了，魚的形體是很難轉化的

because they're so beautiful -- perfect --

因為他們是如此漂亮完美

into a building or object like this.

這很難在建築或是類似的物品中展現出來

And Oldenburg, who I work with a little once in a while,

Oldenburg，一位我曾經合作過的同事

told me I couldn't do it, and so that made it even more exciting.

告訴我那是不可能的，所以這使得我更加的興奮

But he was right -- I couldn't do the tail.

但他是對的，我不知道怎麼處理尾巴的部分

I started to get the head OK, but the tail I couldn't do.

一開始我把頭的部分做得不錯，但尾巴我就不知道怎麼辦了

It was pretty hard.

這的確非常的困難

The thing on the right is a snake form, a ziggurat.

右邊的那棟建築有蛇的樣子，也有巴比倫塔的樣子

And I put them together, and you walk between them.

我把這兩個元素放在一起，你走在這兩棟建築之間

It was a dialog with the context again.

這又是一種和周遭環境的對話

Now, if you saw a picture of this

如果你看過這張刊登在

as it was published in Architectural Record --

Architectural Record的雜誌上的照片

they didn't show the context, so you would think,

他們沒有把背景環境一併展現出來，所以你會覺得

"God, what a pushy guy this is."

"天啊，這真是個愛出風頭的傢伙"

But a friend of mine spent four hours wandering around here

但是我有一位朋友花了四個小時在那附近閒逛

looking for this restaurant.

就為了找那間餐館

Couldn't find it.

但始終找不著

So ...

所以(暗示餐館和環境融合得很完美)

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

As for craft and technology and all those things

至於工藝和科技和其他等等

that you've all been talking about, I was thrown for a complete loop.

你們一直都在談論的那些東西，也的確讓我大吃一驚

This was built in six months.

這棟建築在六個月內就完成了

The way we sent drawings to Japan:

我們把設計圖送給客戶的方式是

we used the magic computer in Michigan that does carved models,

使用在密西根一台可以製作雕塑模型的神奇電腦

and we used to make foam models, which that thing scanned.

以前我們會做一些泡沫模型，再用它來掃描

We made the drawings of the fish and the scales.

我們畫了魚和魚鱗的草圖

And when I got there, everything was perfect --

當我到那裡的時候，一切都很順利

except the tail.

除了尾巴以外

So, I decided to cut off the head and the tail.

所以我決定去掉頭和尾巴

And I made the object on the left for my show at the Walker.

我做了左邊這個東西放在我在Walker藝術中心的展覽裡

And it's one of the nicest pieces I've ever made, I think.

我覺得這是我做過最漂亮的作品之一

And then Jay Chiat, a friend and client,

然後Jay Chiat，我的一位朋友，同時也是我的客戶

asked me to do his headquarters building in L.A.

他邀請我去設計他在洛杉磯總公司的大樓

For reasons we don't want to talk about, it got delayed.

因為某些我們不想談的原因，這件事後來延宕了

Toxic waste, I guess, is the key clue to that one.

有毒廢料，我想，應該是主要的原因

And so we built a temporary building -- I'm getting good at temporary --

所以我們蓋了一棟臨時建築，我越來越善於做些臨時的東西

and we put a conference room in that's a fish.

我在魚肚子裡放了一個會議室

And, finally, Jay dragged me to my hometown, Toronto, Canada.

最後 Jay 把我拉回到我的故鄉加拿大多倫多

And there is a story -- it's a real story -- about my grandmother

這兒有個故事，是個真實故事，是關於我祖母

buying a carp on Thursday, bringing it home,

有一個星期四，當我還是個孩子的時候

putting it in the bathtub when I was a kid.

她買了條鯉魚回來，把牠放在浴缸裡

I played with it in the evening.

我晚上的時候和那條魚玩耍

When I went to sleep, the next day it wasn't there.

然後我去睡覺，隔天，魚卻不見了

And the next night, we had gefilte fish.

到了第三天晚上，我們吃了魚丸子

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

And so I set up this interior for Jay's offices

這是我為Jay的辦公室做的室內設計

and I made a pedestal for a sculpture.

我也給這魚雕像做了個基座

And he didn't buy a sculpture, so I made one.

他沒有買雕像，所以我就做了一個給他

I went around Toronto and found a bathtub like my grandmother's,

我在多倫多找到一個跟我祖母家的浴缸很像的浴缸

and I put the fish in.

然後我把這魚雕像給放了進去

It was a joke.

這是個笑話

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

I play with funny people like [Claes] Oldenburg.

我和Oldenbury這樣風趣的傢伙一起鬼混

We've been friends for a long time.

我們是老朋友了

And we've started to work on things.

我們一起合作做過一些事情

A few years ago, we did a performance piece in Venice, Italy,

幾年前，我們在義大利威尼斯做了一項表演

called "Il Corso del Coltello" -- the Swiss Army knife.

叫"Il Corso del Coltello" 意思是瑞士軍刀

And most of the imagery is --

大部分的照片是Claes的

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

Claes', but those two little boys are my sons,

那兩個小男孩是我的兒子

and they were Claes' assistants in the play.

他們算是Claes的表演助理

He was the Swiss Army knife.

他扮演的就是瑞士軍刀

He was a souvenir salesman who always wanted to be a painter,

他是個賣紀念品的商人，但他一心想成為一位畫家

and I was Frankie P. Toronto.

我則是Frankie P. Toronto.

P for Palladio.

P代表了Palladio(Palladio是西方建築史上的義大利建築師)

Dressed up like the AT&T building by Claes --

我被Claes打扮得像像個AT&T大樓

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

with a fish hat.

我也戴了一頂魚形狀的帽子

The highlight of the performance was at the end.

表演的高潮是在最後

This beautiful object, the Swiss Army knife,

這個漂亮的東西，瑞士軍刀

which I get credit for participating in.

我也因為參與建造而獲得好評

And I can tell you -- it's totally an Oldenburg.

但我可以跟你說，這全是Oldenburg做的

I had nothing to do with it.

我沒有付出些什麼

The only thing I did was, I made it possible for them

我唯一所做的是

to turn those blades so you could sail this thing in the canal,

我讓刀片可以轉動，所以可以讓它在運河裡航行

because I love sailing.

因為我喜愛航行

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

We made it into a sailing craft.

我們把它做成水上工藝品

I've been known to mess with things like chain link fencing.

大家都知道我會用鐵絲網之類的材料

I do it because it's a curious thing in the culture,

我會用鐵絲網是出自於我對文化的好奇

when things are made in such great quantities,

當一樣東西被如此大量的生產出來

absorbed in such great quantities,

也如此廣泛的被運用

and there's so much denial about them.

卻又被大眾所抗拒

People hate it.

人們討厭它

And I'm fascinated with that, which, like the paper furniture --

而我對此非常的著迷，就像我對紙傢俱一樣

it's one of those materials.

鐵絲網是其中一種材料

And I'm always drawn to that.

我總是會被吸引

And so I did a lot of dirty things with chain link,

所以我用鏈條做了許多壞事

which nobody will forgive me for.

壞到沒人會想原諒我

But Claes made homage to it in the Loyola Law School.

但是Claes准許我把這樣的材料用在Loyola的法學院上

And that chain link is really expensive.

那鍊條可是非常昂貴的

It's in perspective and everything.

這符合所有我們的預期

And then we did a camp together for children with cancer.

後來我們設計了一個給癌症病童的營地

And you can see, we started making a building together.

你可以看到，我們開始一起設計

Of course, the milk can is his.

當然，那牛奶罐的想法是他的

But we were trying to collide our ideas,

不過我們試著去抵觸彼此的想法

to put objects next to each other.

把不同形式的建築放在一起

Like a Morandi -- like the little bottles -- composing them like a still life.

就像Morandi的畫，那些瓶瓶罐罐排列起起構成一幅靜物畫

And it seemed to work as a way to put he and I together.

我們似乎能夠以這樣的方式一起合作

Then Jay Chiat asked me to do this building

後來Jay Chiat 要我在威泥司這個有趣的地方

on this funny lot in Venice, and I started with this three-piece thing,

設計這棟建築，所以我由你所看到的這三個東西開始

and you entered in the middle.

你由中間的這個進去

And Jay asked me what I was going to do with the piece in the middle.

Jay問我準備如何處理中間這棟建築

And he pushed that.

他催促了我一下

And one day I had a -- oh, well, the other way.

有一天我有了個點子，好吧，是另一個點子

I had the binoculars from Claes, and I put them there,

我把Claes的雙筒望遠鏡放在那裏

and I could never get rid of them after that.

後來我反而沒辦法把望遠鏡給移走

Oldenburg made the binoculars incredible

Oldenburg把這雙筒望遠鏡變得令人難以置信

when he sent me the first model of the real proposal.

當他給我真正提案的第一個模型時

It made my building look sick.

這讓我的建築看起來令人作嘔

And it was this interaction between

不過這是一個互動的過程

that kind of, up-the-ante stuff that became pretty interesting.

這讓整個事情變得更加有趣

It led to the building on the left.

也就成就了左邊這棟建築

And I still think the Time magazine picture will be of the binoculars, you know,

我仍然認為時代雜誌的照片會是跟雙筒望遠鏡有關，你們知道的

leaving out the -- what the hell.

但是是省略掉...，隨便啦

I use a lot of metal in my work,

我在我的作品中使用了大量的金屬

and I have a hard time connecting with the craft.

與工藝材料上的整合上也讓我費了許多苦心

The whole thing about my house,

關於我的房子

the whole use of rough carpentry and everything,

是使用粗糙的木材還有一些其他的東西

was the frustration with the crafts available.

這讓我對現有的工藝材料感到沮喪

I said, "If I can't get the craft that I want,

我說 "如果我不能的到我想要的材料

I'll use the craft I can get."

我要用我能得到的"

There were plenty of models for that,

在這方面有很多先例

in Rauschenberg and Jasper Johns, and many artists

像是Rauschenberg還有Jasper Johns，還有其他的一些藝術家

who were making beautiful art and sculpture with junk materials.

他們使用一些廢棄的材料製作出美麗的藝術品和雕塑

I went into the metal because it was a way of building a building

我喜歡金屬是因為金屬可以讓建築物

that was a sculpture.

同時也是一個雕塑品

And it was all of one material,

金屬也是一種多用途的材料

and the metal could go on the roof as well as the walls.

它可以做成屋頂也能做成牆壁

The metalworkers, for the most part,

而金屬工人，在大部分的時候

do ducts behind the ceilings and stuff.

在天花板後面做通風管道等等的時候會使用到它

I was given an opportunity to design an exhibit

我有一個機會去設計一個展覽館

for the metalworkers' unions of America and Canada in Washington,

是為美加的金屬工人工會做的，是在華盛頓

and I did it on the condition that they become my partners

我之所以接受，是有個條件，希望他們能成為我未來的夥伴

in the future and help me with all future metal buildings, etc. etc.

並且能幫助我往後去建造這些金屬的建築物等等

And it's working very well

這進行的挺順利的

to have these people, these craftsmen, interested in it.

讓這些做金屬工藝的人對這感興趣

I just tell the stories.

我說這些故事

It's a way of connecting, at least, with some of those people

是要說明這是一種溝通，至少是與一部分的人溝通

that are so important to the realization of architecture.

這溝通對實現建築是相當重要的

The metal continued into a building -- Herman Miller, in Sacramento.

我也持續把金屬使用在建築上 -- 這是Herman Miller，在沙加緬度

And it's just a complex of factory buildings.

這是一座複合式的廠房

And Herman Miller has this philosophy of having a place --

而Herman Miller 有其哲學想法，想要有一個

a people place.

屬於人的地方

I mean, it's kind of a trite thing to say,

我的意思是，這雖然說起來很老套

but it is real that they wanted to have a central place

但是真的，他們想要有個中心點

where the cafeteria would be, where the people would come

會是餐廳的所在地，人們可以前往用餐

and where the people working would interact.

在裡頭工作的人也能夠在那產生互動

So it's out in the middle of nowhere, and you approach it.

所以這就出現在周圍什麼都沒有的地方，靠近一點看的話

It's copper and galvanize.

這是銅和電鍍鋅

I used the galvanize and copper

我使用少量的電鍍鋅和銅

in a very light gauge, so it would buckle.

這樣能夠方便彎曲

I spent a lot of time undoing Richard Meier's aesthetic.

我花了很多時間想顛覆Richard Meier的審美觀

Everybody's trying to get the panels perfect,

每個人都希望能把面板做的完美

and I always try to get them sloppy and fuzzy.

我卻想要把面板做的模糊不清

And they end up looking like stone.

最後它們看起來像石頭

This is the central area.

這裡就是中心區域

There's a ramp.

這裡有一個斜坡

And that little dome in there is a building by Stanley Tigerman.

那裏有一個小圓頂是由Stanley Tigerman所設計的

Stanley was instrumental in my getting this job.

Stanley是讓我得到這份工作的人

And when I was awarded the contract I, at the very beginning,

在我得到這份合約一開始的時候

asked the client if they would let Stanley do a cameo piece with me.

我要求客戶讓Stanley和我一起做這個浮雕作品

Because these were ideas that we were talking about,

因為這是我們所談論的想法

building things next to each other, making --

設計相鄰的建築

it's all about [a] metaphor for a city, maybe.

也許這是對城市的一個比喻

And so Stanley did the little dome thing.

所以Stanley設計了這樣一個小圓頂

And we did it over the phone and by fax.

我們透過電話和傳真連繫

He would send me a fax and show me something.

他會傳真給我看他的設計

He'd made a building with a dome and he had a little tower.

他設計了一棟有圓頂的建築，也設計了一座小塔

I told him, "No, no, that's too ongepotchket.

我告訴他：「不行不行，這樣太複雜了，

I don't want the tower."

我不要那座塔。」

So he came back with a simpler building,

於是他把設計改得比較簡單

but he put some funny details on it,

但加了一些有趣的東西在上面

and he moved it closer to my building.

而且把他的建築移得更靠近了我的建築

And so I decided to put him in a depression.

所以我決定給他點顏色瞧瞧

I put him in a hole and made a kind of a hole that he sits in.

我把他的建築放在一個洞上頭

And so then he put two bridges -- this all happened on the fax,

然後他又設計了兩座橋，這些全都在傳真上發生的

going back and forth over a couple of weeks' period.

在幾個星期的時間裡改來改去

And he put these two bridges with pink guardrails on it.

他設計了兩座有粉紅色護欄的橋

And so then I put this big billboard behind it.

然後我把這個大的看板放在後面

And I call it, "David and Goliath."

我把他命名為 "David and Goliath"

And that's my cafeteria.

現在看到的這張是我設計的餐廳

In Boston, we had that old building on the left.

在波士頓，在左手邊我們有這棟老建築

It was a very prominent building off the freeway,

這是高速公路下的一座有名的建築

and we added a floor and cleaned it up and fixed it up

我們增建了一層樓，也把大樓清理乾淨還有修善完成

and used the kind of -- I thought -- the language of the neighborhood,

並且運用某種，我認為，是這個社區的風格

which had these cornices, projecting cornices.

就是這些屋簷，突出的屋簷

Mine got a little exuberant, but I used lead copper,

我設計的稍微華麗了些，不過我用的是鉛銅合金

which is a beautiful material, and it turns green in 100 years.

那是一種很漂亮的材料，而且一百年後才會變成綠色

Instead of, like, copper in 10 or 15.

不像純銅，十到十五年就變成綠色了

We redid the side of the building

我們改建了這棟建築的這一面牆

and re-proportioned the windows so it sort of fit into the space.

也重新設計了窗戶的尺寸以適應內部的空間

And it surprised both Boston and myself that we got it approved,

這樣的設計能通過審核，讓波士頓和我自己都感到驚訝

because they have very strict kind of design guideline,

因為波士頓的建築設計法規是非常嚴格的

and they wouldn't normally think I would fit them.

他們通常認為我的設計沒辦法達到法定的標準

The detailing was very careful with the lead copper

我們很仔細的處理鉛銅合金的面板

and making panels and fitting it tightly

並使面板和配件能夠緊密的

into the fabric of the existing building.

固定在現有的建築物上

In Barcelona, on Las Ramblas for some film festival,

在巴塞隆納的Las Ramblas大道上的某個影展

I did the Hollywood sign going and coming,

我替他們設計了一個好萊塢的標誌"無處可逃"

made a building out of it, and they built it.

然後設計成了一個建築，然後他們去建造

I flew in one night and took this picture.

有天晚上，我坐飛機過去照了這張照片

But they made it a third smaller than my model without telling me.

但他們擅自把尺寸縮小了三分之一

And then more metal and some chain link in Santa Monica --

接下來是在聖塔莫妮卡，一些我用金屬和鍊條所做的設計

a little shopping center.

這是一個小型的購物中心

And this is a laser laboratory at the University of Iowa,

而這是在愛荷華大學的雷射實驗室

in which the fish comes back as an abstraction in the back.

在這裡我再次運用魚的抽象概念在建築物的後方做了設計

It's the support labs, which, by some coincidence, required no windows.

這個實驗室碰巧不需要設計窗戶，剛好讓我能夠做這樣的設計

And the shape fit perfectly.

魚的形狀和這地方相當的吻合

I just joined the points.

我只需要把幾個點連起來就行了

In the curved part there's all the mechanical equipment.

曲線的部分是所有的機械設備

That solid wall behind it is a pipe chase -- a pipe canyon --

而後面的實心牆面則是管線設備，就是管路溝槽

and so it was an opportunity that I seized,

所以我把握了這個良好的機會

because I didn't have to have any protruding ducts or vents or things in this form.

因為在這種情況下，我不需要設計突出的管道或通風口或其他東西

It gave me an opportunity to make a sculpture out of it.

這讓我有機會把這部分做成雕塑的樣子

This is a small house somewhere.

這是在某個地方的一間小房子

They've been building it so long I don't remember where it is.

他們修建了太久，以致於我記不得是哪裡

It's in the West Valley.

不過世在猶他州的西谷市

And we started with the stream

我們從溪流的部分開始著手

and built the house along the stream -- dammed it up to make a lake.

沿著溪流建造房子，修建堤壩來造湖

These are the models.

這些是模型的照片

The reality, with the lake --

事實上，這個湖

the workmanship is pretty bad.

這棟房子做工其實很差

And it reminded me why I play defensively in things like my house.

但這也提醒我為什麼要像在蓋自己的房子時一樣謹慎小心

When you have to do something really cheaply,

當你必須要很廉價的去做某件事時

it's hard to get perfect corners and stuff.

在轉角處和一些地方是很難做到完美的

That big metal thing is a passage, and in it is --

那個大的金屬的部分是條通道

you go downstairs into the living room and then down into the bedroom,

你可以從裡面往下走到起居室還有臥室

which is on the right.

就是右邊的部分

It's kind of like a whole built town.

這有點像是整體造鎮的感覺

I was asked to do a hospital for schizophrenic adolescents at Yale.

這是我受邀為耶魯大學設計的一所治療青少年精神分裂症的醫院

I thought it was fitting for me to be doing that.

我覺得這工作挺適合我的

This is a house next to a Philip Johnson house in Minnesota.

這是在明尼蘇達州，Philip Johnson房子旁的一間房子

The owners had a dilemma -- they asked Philip to do it.

這屋主遇到一個兩難的狀況，他們原先是拜託Philip幫忙做設計

He was too busy.

但他太忙了

He didn't recommend me, by the way.

順便提一下，他當時並沒有推薦我

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

We ended up having to make it a sculpture, because the dilemma was,

我們最後把房子做得像個雕塑，因為我們遇到的問題是

how do you build a building that doesn't look like the language?

你要如何去蓋一棟不像房子的房子?

Is it going to look like this beautiful estate is sub-divided?

這座美麗的莊園會不會看起來像是被建築物給分割開？

Etc. etc.

諸如此類的

You've got the idea.

我想你們懂的

And so we finally ended up making it.

所以最後我們把它設計成這樣

These people are art collectors.

屋主們是藝術收藏家

And we finally made it so it appears very sculptural

最後我們成功地讓這棟房子從主屋的方向

from the main house and all the windows are on the other side.

看起來像座雕像，所有的窗戶都設計在另一面牆

And the building is very sculptural as you walk around it.

當你順著屋子走的話，房子看起來會非常像是座雕塑作品

It's made of metal and the brown stuff is Fin-Ply --

外牆是由金屬做成的，褐色的部分則是木造合板

it's that formed lumber from Finland.

這些合板是來自於芬蘭

We used it at Loyola on the chapel, and it didn't work.

我們在Loyola大學的教堂使用過，但沒有成功

I keep trying to make it work.

我一直不斷的嘗試

In this case we learned how to detail it.

而在這個案子裡，我們現在知道如何細部處理它

In Cleveland, there's Burnham Mall, on the left.

這是在克里夫蘭，左手邊的是Burnham購物中心

It's never been finished.

一直沒有完工

Going out to the lake, you can see all those new buildings we built.

往湖邊走去，你們可以看到我們建造的這些新建築

And we had the opportunity to build a building on this site.

我們有機會可以在這個區域蓋一棟建築

There's a railroad track.

這裡有一條鐵軌

This is the city hall over here somewhere, and the courthouse.

這邊的某處是市政府，還有法院

And the centerline of the mall goes out.

從購物中心的中心線延伸出去

Burnham had designed a railroad station that was never built,

Burnham所規劃的火車站雖一直沒能建成

and so we followed.

但我們延續了這個想法

Sohio is on the axis here,

Sohio公司的大樓在這條軸線上

and we followed the axis, and they're two kind of goalposts.

我們順著這條軸線，使這兩棟建築有點像球門那樣

And this is our building,

這棟就是我們蓋的建築物

which is a corporate headquarters for an insurance company.

是一家保險公司的總部

We collaborated with Oldenburg and put the newspaper on top, folded.

我們和Oldenburg合作，把折疊的報紙放在大樓的樓頂

The health club is fastened to the garage

健身俱樂部透過一個C型的坡道和停車場相連

with a C-clamp, for Cleveland.

C型則象徵著克里夫蘭(Cleveland的首字母為C)

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

You drive down.

沿著坡道往下走

So it's about a 10-story C-clamp.

這是一座十層樓的C型坡道

And all this stuff at the bottom is a museum,

在這底部則是博物館

and an idea for a very fancy automobile entry.

還有一個華麗的汽車行車入口

This owner has a pet peeve about bad automobile entries.

這個案子的客戶對於汽車的行車入口特別有意見

And this would be a hotel.

而這邊會是一座酒店

So, the centerline of this thing -- we'd preserve it,

所以我們保留了原來規劃的中心軸線

and it would start to work with the scale of the new buildings

讓這個軸線可以使由Pelli和Kohn Pederson Fox等事務所

by Pelli and Kohn Pederson Fox, etc., that are underway.

所負責設計的正在建構中的建築物與之配合無疑

It's hard to do high-rise.

要在這做高層建築並不容易

I feel much more comfortable down here.

我在低處點覺得比較舒服

This is a piece of property in Brentwood.

這是在Brentwoo的一塊地

And a long time ago, about '82 or something, after my house --

很久以前，大概在82年左右吧

I designed a house for myself

在我給自己設計一棟住宅後

that would be a village of several pavilions around a courtyard --

這是一個由幾棟圍繞著庭院的房子所組成的小型聚落

and the owner of this lot worked for me

這塊地的主人曾為我工作過

and built that actual model on the left.

幫我製作了左邊的這個實物模型

And she came back,

後來她又回來了

I guess wealthier or something -- something happened --

我猜大概是發財了還是怎樣

and asked me to design a house for her on this site.

然後她請我為她在這個地方設計一棟住宅

And following that basic idea of the village,

我們延續了村落的基本概念

we changed it as we got into it.

並在過程中做了些改變

I locked the house into the site by cutting the back end --

我利用降低房子後方的高度把房子固定在這個區塊裡

here you see on the photographs of the site --

像你們在這張照片中所看到的

slicing into it and putting all the bathrooms and dressing rooms

然後把浴室和更衣室規劃在這裡頭

like a retaining wall, creating a lower level zone for the master bedroom,

像是面擋土牆，我創造出一個較低的平面區域並規劃成主臥室

which I designed like a kind of a barge,

把它規劃得像是一艘大型的平底船

looking like a boat.

看起來像是艘船

And that's it, built.

蓋好的樣子就像這樣

The dome was a request from the client.

這圓頂是按客戶的要求設計的

She wanted a dome somewhere in the house.

她希望屋子裡能有個圓頂

She didn't care where.

她不介意規劃在哪一個地方

When you sleep in this bedroom, I hope --

如果你睡在這臥室裡，我希望

I mean, I haven't slept in it yet.

我的意思是，我沒有在那裡面睡覺過

I've offered to marry her so I could sleep there,

我曾為了能在那睡一晚向她求婚過

but she said I didn't have to do that.

但她說我不需要這樣

But when you're in that room,

但當你在那間臥室裡

you feel like you're on a kind of barge on some kind of lake.

你能感覺到自己像是在湖上的一艘船裡

And it's very private.

而且是個很私密的空間

The landscape is being built around to create a private garden.

這周遭的景觀設計都是為了要創造出一個隱密的私人花園

And then up above there's a garden on this side of the living room,

在上面，起居室的這邊則有一座花園

and one on the other side.

還有另一座花園在另外一邊

These aren't focused very well.

這幻燈片的焦距沒弄好

I don't know how to do it from here.

我不知道怎麼調整

Focus the one on the right.

請把右邊幻燈片的焦距調整好

It's up there.

在這邊 （觀眾：左邊的）

Left -- it's my right.

你們的左邊，我的右邊

Anyway, you enter into a garden with a beautiful grove of trees.

總之，我們會進入一個有美麗樹叢的花園

That's the living room.

這邊是起居室

Servants' quarters.

傭人的房間

A guest bedroom, which has this dome with marble on it.

一間有大理石掛頂圓頂的客房

And then you enter into the living room and then so on.

然後會進入起居室，諸如此類

This is the bedroom.

這裡是臥室

You come down from this level along the stairway,

從這層樓經由樓梯下來

and you enter the bedroom here, going into the lake.

會進入臥室，然後就是湖

And the bed is back in this space,

而床則在這個空間的後方

with windows looking out onto the lake.

且有個面向湖的窗戶

These Stonehenge things were designed to give foreground

這些類似巨石陣的東西是為了做成前景

and to create a greater depth in this shallow lot.

要在這個深度不大的地方創造出空間感出來

The material is lead copper, like in the building in Boston.

這邊使用的材料是鉛銅合金，和在波士頓建造房子時使用的一樣

And so it was an intent to make this small piece of land --

目的是要讓這一塊寬100英呎長250英呎的小土地

it's 100 by 250 -- into a kind of an estate by separating these areas

透過分割區塊並把起居室和餐廳

and making the living room and dining room into this pavilion

放進有挑高空間的方式

with a high space in it.

使之變成一座美麗的莊園

And this happened by accident that I got this right on axis

我碰巧把窗戶跟餐廳

with the dining room table.

開在相同的軸線上

It looks like I got a Baldessari painting for free.

這看起來像是免費得到一幅Baldessari的風景畫(Baldessari為現代概念藝術教父)

But the idea is, the windows are all placed

不過我的用意是，窗戶設計的位置

so you see pieces of the house outside.

是要讓人可以看到房子外頭的景色

Eventually this will be screened -- these trees will come up --

最終這些都會被掩蓋住 - 樹會長高

and it will be very private.

然後會形成一個隱密的空間

And you feel like you're in your own kind of village.

然後你會覺得你在自己的村落中

This is for Michael Eisner -- Disney.

這是為Michael Eisner所設計的，迪士尼

We're doing some work for him.

我們幫他設計一個建築

And this is in Anaheim, California, and it's a freeway building.

這是在加州的Anaheim，高速公路旁的建築

You go under this bridge at about 65 miles an hour,

你在這座橋下以65英哩的時速開過去

and there's another bridge here.

這是另一座橋

And you're through this room in a split second,

你以飛快的速度通過這個空間

and the building will sort of reflect that.

而這棟建築能反映出這樣的移動

On the backside, it's much more humane -- entrance,

這棟建築的背面就顯得人性許多，有入口

dining hall, etc.

餐廳等等的設施

And then this thing here -- I'm hoping as you drive by you'll hear

而這樣的東西，我希望人們開車經過時能聽到

the picket fence effect of the sound hitting it.

聲音撞擊在結構上產生的柵欄效應

Kind of a fun thing to do.

這挺有趣的

I'm doing a building in Switzerland, Basel,

這是我在瑞士Basel這地方設計的建築

which is an office building for a furniture company.

是一間傢俱公司的辦公大樓

And we struggled with the image.

我們在設計上掙扎過一番

These are the early studies, but they have to sell furniture

這些是比較早的設計，問題是他們賣傢俱的對象

to normal people, so if I did the building and it was too fancy,

是一般人，所以如果我設計的建築太過華麗

then people might say, "Well, the furniture looks OK in his thing,

那一般人可能會說 "這些傢俱在這個建築物裡看起來還不錯，

but no, it ain't going to look good in my normal building."

但在我自己的房子裡看起來應該不行"

So we've made a kind of pragmatic slab in the second phase here,

因此，我們在第二階段，把它做得比較實用性

and we've taken the conference facilities and made a villa out of them

然後我們規劃了會議的場所，還有一個獨立的別墅空間

so that the communal space is very sculptural and separate.

所以公共空間的部分可以很有雕塑感，也可以被獨立出來

And you're looking at it from the offices and you create a kind of

如果從辦公室的方向看過去，還能夠有

interaction between these pieces.

不同的區塊間的一種互動感

This is in Paris, along the Seine.

這是在巴黎塞納河邊

Palais des Sports, the Gare de Lyon over here.

這邊是體育館，里昂火車站在這邊

The Minister of Finance -- the guy that moved from the Louvre -- goes in here.

從羅浮宮升官當上財政部長的那個人會在這裡

There's a new library across the river.

河的對面有座新建的圖書館

And back in here, in this already treed park,

在這後面，在這個經過綠化後的公園

we're doing a very dense building called the American Center,

我們要在這裡蓋一座密度很高的建築，叫做美國文化中心

which has a theater, apartments, dance school, an art museum,

裡面有電影院，公寓，舞蹈學校，藝術博物館

restaurants and all kinds of -- it's a very dense program --

還有餐廳，書點等之類的

bookstores, etc.

這是個密度很高的設計案

In a very tight, small --

全都在這個既狹小又密度很高的地方

this is the ground level.

這是第一層樓的部分

And the French have this extraordinary way of screwing things up

法國人對搞砸事情很厲害

by taking a beautiful site and cutting the corner off.

像是把這塊漂亮完整的區域砍掉一角

They call it the plan coupe.

他們稱這為平面切角

And I struggled with that thing --

想辦法要如何克服這個問題

how to get around the corner.

著實讓我苦惱了一陣子

These are the models for it.

這些都是為這個案子所做的模型

I showed you the other model, the one --

我讓你們看看另一個模型

this is the way I organized myself so I could make the drawing --

這是我整理出來好讓我可以畫出設計圖

so I understood the problem.

以便了解問題所在

I was trying to get around this plan coupe -- how do you do it?

我試著要避開這個切角，但該怎麼做呢？

Apartments, etc.

還有公寓之類的

And these are the kind of study models we did.

而這些是我們做出來可以解決問題的模型

And the one on the left is pretty awful.

然後左邊的這個非常的嚇人

You can see why I was ready to commit suicide when this one was built.

你可以理解如果這個模型被建造出來，為什麼我會想自殺了

But out of it came finally this resolution, where the elevator piece

但是從這個模型我們終於找出解決方法

worked frontally to this, parallel to this street,

電梯在前面，和這條街道平行

and also parallel to here.

同時也和這裡平行

And then this kind of twist, with this balcony and the skirt,

然後這個部分，規劃了陽台和檔版在前面

kind of like a ballerina lifting her skirt to let you into the foyer.

就像是芭蕾舞女演員撩起她的裙子讓我進到前廳裡

The restaurants here -- the apartments and the theater, etc.

餐廳在這邊，公寓和電影院等等則在這邊

So it would all be built in stone, in French limestone,

這些全都會以石材建造，採用法國的石灰石

except for this metal piece.

除了這一片會採用金屬外

And it faces into a park.

而這座建築會面像一個公園

And the idea was to make this express the energy of this.

我的想法是要讓這座建築表現出建築的活力

On the side facing the street it's much more normal,

在面相著街道的這一面看起來正常多了

except I slipped a few mansards down, so that coming on the point,

除了我把幾個折線形屋頂給拆掉，

these housing units made a gesture to the corner.

這會讓這些住宅單位像是對這個轉角有示意的動作

And this will be some kind of high-tech billboard.

這裡會有個高科技的看板

If any of you guys have any ideas for it, please contact me.

如果你們有任何人有其他的想法，請和我聯絡

I don't know what to do.

我目前還不知道該怎麼做

Jay Chiat is a glutton for punishment, and he hired me

Jay Chiat是個肯吃苦耐勞的人，而他雇用我

to do a house for him in the Hamptons.

替他在Hamptons設計一間住宅

And it's got a fish.

這個設計裡也有魚

And I keep thinking, "This is going to be the last fish."

我總是告訴自己"這是最後一條魚了"

It's like a drug addict.

但這像是毒癮一樣

I say, "I'm not going to do it anymore -- I don't want to do it anymore --

我說我不會再做這個了，我也不想再做了

I'm not going to do it."

我不會去做

And then I do it.

但我還是又做了

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

There it is.

就是這個

But it's the living room.

這是起居室

And this piece here is --

而這邊這個

I don't know what it is.

我也不知道這是什麼

I just added it so that we'd have enough money in the budget

我加這個東西上去是希望我們可以有足夠的預算

so we could take something out.

然後我可以拿一點出來

(Applause)

(鼓掌聲)

This is Euro Disney, and I've worked with all of the guys

這是歐洲迪士尼，我和所有稍早我提過的那些人

that presented to you earlier.

都合作過

We've had a lot of fun working together.

我們一起工作得非常愉快

I think I'm from Mars for them, and they are for me,

我想我對他們來說是火星人，他們對來說我亦是如此

but somehow we all manage to work together,

但不知道為什麼我們卻可以合作無間

and I think, productively.

而且相當有效率

So far.

至少到目前為止是這樣

This is a shopping thing.

這裡是一個購物中心

You come into the Magic Kingdom

你進到魔法王國

and the hotel that Tony Baxter's group is doing out here.

Tony Baxter集團的酒店在那裏

And then this is a kind of a shopping mall,

然後這是一座購物中心

with a rodeo and restaurants.

裡面有騎術表演和餐廳

And another restaurant.

這裡還有另一間餐廳

What I did -- because of the Paris skies being quite dull,

因為在巴黎的天空相當陰暗

I made a light grid that's perpendicular to the train station,

所以我設計了與火車站相垂直的燈光網格

to the route of the train.

也直立於火車的路線上

It looks like it's kind of been there,

看上去有點像是這東西早就存在已久

and then crashed all these simpler forms into it.

只是插入在這些簡單的架構上

The light grid will have a light, be lit up at night and give a

這個光網會在晚上點亮

kind of light ceiling.

樣子會像是明亮的天花板一樣

In Switzerland -- Germany, actually -- on the Rhine across from Basel,

在瑞士，其實是在德國，在Basel對面的萊茵河

we did a furniture factory and a furniture museum.

我們設計了一座傢俱工廠和一間傢俱博物館

And I tried to -- there's a Nick Grimshaw building over here,

我試著要...這裡有座Nick Grimshaw所設計的建築

there's an Oldenburg sculpture over here --

還有一座Oldenburg的雕像在這邊

I tried to make a relationship urbanistically.

我試著要建構出一種都市化的關係

And I don't gave good slides to show -- it's just been completed --

我沒有好的幻燈片可以給你們看，這個案子才剛完成

but this piece here is this building, and these pieces here and here.

但是這一塊是這棟建築，這個部分跟這個部分

And as you pass by it's always part -- you see it as all of these pieces

當你從旁邊走過的時後，你會看到每個獨立的部分，但每一個部分

accrue and become part of an overall neighborhood.

卻可以拼湊起來，然後成為整體環境的一部分

It's plaster and just zinc.

這是石膏和鋅。

And you wonder, if this is a museum,

而你們可能會猜也許這是間博物館

what it's going to be like inside?

那麼內部會是什麼樣子？

If it's going to be so busy and crazy that you wouldn't show anything,

如果這建築物的外觀看起來這麼熱鬧瘋狂，怎麼我不讓你們看內部的照片

and just wait.

稍等一下

I'm so cunning and clever -- I made it quiet and wonderful.

我是很機靈聰明的，我把內部設計得很寧靜美好

But on the outside it does scream out at you a bit.

雖然從外觀看起來的確有點咄咄逼人

It's actually basically three square rooms

但實際上內部有三個方型的空間

with a couple of skylights and stuff.

有一些天窗之類的東西

And from the building in the back, you see it as

從建築的背面看起來

an iceberg floating by in the hills.

就像是山上漂浮的冰山

I know I'm over time.

我知道我已經講超過時間了

See, that skylight goes down and becomes that one.

看，右邊這個天窗灑下的光會變成左邊這張圖片

So it's pretty quiet inside.

所以內部其實是挺安祥寧靜的

This is the Disney Hall -- the concert hall.

這是迪士尼音樂廳

It's a complicated project.

這是個複雜的案子

It has a chamber hall.

它有一個室內音樂廳

It's related to an existing Chandler Pavilion that was built

這和現有的Chandler大廳相連

with a lot of love and tears and caring.

Chandler大廳是以愛和淚水和關懷的名義所建造的

And it's not a great building, but I approached it optimistically,

這不是一棟很好的建築，但我樂觀的接了這個案子

that we would make a compositional relationship between us

我們希望能在這兩座建築間建立一個群體的關係

that would strengthen both of us.

這會同時強化兩棟建築物

And the plan of this -- it's a concert hall.

這個案子的計畫是，這裡是音樂廳

This is the foyer, which is kind of a garden structure.

這邊是前廳，有點像是個花園的架構

There's commercial at the ground floor.

一樓會有廣告的設施

These are offices, which, really, in the competition,

這邊是辦公室，這邊事實上還在競標

we didn't have to design.

所以我們不用去設計

But finally, there's a hotel there.

最後這邊會有間飯店

These were the kind of relationships made to the Chandler,

這些都會和Chandler大廳相連結

composing these elevations together and relating them

在立面高度上與其他現在的建築物構成某種關係

to the buildings that existed -- to MOCA, etc.

像是加州藝術博物館等等的

The acoustician in the competition gave us criteria,

在競標的過程中，聲學家們給了我們有關音樂廳的標準條件

which led to this compartmentalized scheme,

使我們能設計出分割空間區塊的方案

which we found out after the competition would not work at all.

但在競標結束後，我們發現這個方案根本行不通

But everybody liked these forms and liked the space,

但是大家都喜歡這樣的設計，也喜歡這樣的空間規劃

and so that's one of the problems of a competition.

這也就是競賽帶來的問題之一

You have to then try and get that back in some way.

我們必須想辦法讓原先的方案實現

And we studied many models.

所以我們嘗試了許多的模型

This was our original model.

這個是我們原先的設計

These were the three buildings that were the ideal --

這三個則是比較理想完美的建築

the Concertgebouw, Boston and Berlin.

分別是阿姆斯特丹音樂廳，波士頓音樂廳，和柏林音樂廳

Everybody liked the surround.

大家都喜歡這裡面的環繞音效

Actually, this is the smallest hall in size,

實際上，這座是空間最小的音樂廳

and it has more seats than any of these

但它卻擁有最多的座位

because it has double balconies.

因為它有雙層的看台

Our client doesn't want balconies, so --

但是我們的客戶不想要有看台，所以

and when we met our new acoustician, he told us

我們又找了新的聲學專家，他告訴我們

this was the right shape or this was the right shape.

這個模型的型式和這個都很合適

And we tried many shapes, trying to get the energy

我們也嘗試許多不同的造型

of the original design within an acoustical, acceptable format.

希望可以把最初設計的理念，以在聲學上可以接受的方式來實現

We finally settled on a shape that was

最後我們決定採用這個設計

the proportion of the Concertgebouw

我們採用了阿姆斯特丹音樂廳的比例

with the sloping outside walls, which the acoustician said

設計了傾斜的外牆，聲學專家說

were crucial to this and later decided they weren't,

這非常的重要，但後來發現其實不然

but now we have them.

但反正我們也做了

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

And our idea is to make the seating carriage very sculptural

我們的想法是要把座椅的結構設計得非常有雕塑感

and out of wood and like a big boat sitting in this plaster room.

而且使用木頭材料，就像一艘大船停在這水泥的房間裡

That's the idea.

這是我們的想法

And the corners would have skylights

然後在角落的地方我們設計了天窗

and these columns would be structural.

這些柱子是結構上需要的

And the nice thing about introducing columns is they give you a

設置柱子的好處是，他們能給你一種

kind of sense of proscenium from wherever you sit,

不論你坐在哪個位置，都能感受到對舞台的臨場感

and create intimacy.

並提高對舞台的親近度

Now, this is not a final design -- these are just on the way to being --

這個不是最終的版本，但可以算是最終設計的前身

and so I wouldn't take it literally, except the feeling of the space.

所以可能還會有所改變，除了空間的感覺外

We studied the acoustics with laser stuff,

我們用了一些雷射器材去研究聲學條件

and they bounce them off this and see where it all works.

利用雷射的反射來觀察要這些是怎麼運作的

But you get the sense of the hall in section.

但你們可以透過這個立體剖面圖了解音樂廳大致上的樣子

Most halls come straight down into a proscenium.

大部分的音樂廳從觀眾席到舞台的方式就像個斜坡

In this case we're opening it back up

但在這個案子裡，我們把舞台設計成開放式的

and getting skylights in the four corners.

然後在四個角落都設計了天窗

And so it will be quite a different shape.

所以就變成了一個相當不同的造型

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

The original building, because it was frog-like,

原先的建築，因為它的樣子像隻青蛙

fit nicely on the site and cranked itself well.

與這個區塊和整體都相當的契合

When you get into a box, it's harder to do it -- and here we are,

但當你把它放進一個盒子裡，就變得不是很容易，就像這樣

struggling with how to put the hotel in.

如何把飯店規劃進去也讓我們相當苦惱

And this is a teapot I designed for Alessi.

這是我為Alessi所設計的茶壺

I just stuck it on there.

我直接把它黏在模型上

But this is how I do work. I do take pieces and bits and look at it

這是我做事的方式，我會使用零零碎碎的東西，看著他們

and struggle with it and cut it away.

試著做一些嘗試，然後再把某些部分切掉

And of course it's not going to look like that,

當然成品不會變成這樣子

but it is the crazy way I tend to work.

雖然有點瘋狂，但這就是我做事的方式

And then finally, in L.A. I was asked to do a sculpture

最後，在洛杉磯，我受邀去做一座雕塑

at the foot of Interstate Bank Tower, the highest building in L.A.

在洛杉磯最高的大樓Interstate Bank Tower的下面

Larry Halprin is doing the stairs.

Larry Halprin設計了這些階梯

And I was asked to do a fish, and so I did a snake.

他們拜託我設計一條魚，所以我設計了一條蛇

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

It's a public space, and I made it kind of a garden structure,

這是一個公共空間，我把它做成像個花園的結構

and you can go in it.

人可以走進去

It's a kiva, and Larry's putting some water in there,

這是地下禮堂，Larry設計了一些水景設施在裡頭

and it works much better than a fish.

這要比設計一條魚好太多了

In Barcelona I was asked to do a fish, and we're working on that,

在巴塞隆納也有人拜託我設計魚造型的建築，我們正在設計中

at the foot of a Ritz-Carlton Tower being done by

而且是要設計在這Ritz-CarltonTower底下

Skidmore, Owings and Merrill.

Ritz-Carlton Tower是由Skidmore，Owings還有Merrill所設計的

And the Ritz-Carlton Tower is being designed with exposed steel,

Ritz-Carlton Tower在設計上採用外露鋼骨的結構

non-fire proof, much like those old gas tanks.

沒有防火塗層，就像是舊的瓦斯桶

And so we took the language of this exposed steel and used it,

所以我們沿用了外露鋼骨的這個風格

perverted it, into the form of the fish, and created a kind of

然後把它轉化成魚的型式，創造出一種

a 19th-century contraption that looks like, that will sit --

看起來像一個 19世紀的機械，這東西將座落在...

this is the beach and the harbor out in front,

這是海邊，前面一點是港口

and this is really a shopping center with department stores.

這實際上是個有百貨公司的購物中心

And we split these bridges.

然後我們把這幾座橋分開來

Originally, this was all solid with a hole in it.

這裡原先是一道上面有孔洞的實體結構

We cut them loose and made several bridges and created a kind of

我們把它切開，做了幾道橋在上面

a foreground for this hotel.

為酒店創造出一個前台的感覺

We showed this to the hotel people the other day,

幾天後我們把這樣的設計拿去給飯店的人看

and they were terrified and said that nobody would come

他們都嚇到了，然後說

to the Ritz-Carlton anymore, because of this fish.

因為這條魚，不會有客人想再來Ritz-Carlton

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

And finally, I just threw these in -- Lou Danziger.

最後，我把這個設計丟給了Lou Danziger

I didn't expect Lou Danziger to be here,

我不指望Lou Danziger會出現在這兒

but this is a building I did for him in 1964, I think.

但這棟建築是我大概在1964年為他設計的

A little studio -- and it's sadly for sale.

一間小工作室，很遺憾這將要出售出去

Time goes on.

時過境遷

And this is my son working with me on a small fast-food thing.

這是我和我兒子設計的快餐店

He designed the robot as the cashier, and the head moves,

他設計了一具頭可以動的機器人當收銀員

and I did the rest of it.

其他的是我做的

And the food wasn't as good as the stuff, and so it failed.

但食物卻比不上店裡的這些裝潢擺飾，所以餐館算是失敗了

It should have been the other way around --

應該是要相反才對

the food should have been good first.

首先，好的應該要是店裡的食物才對

It didn't work.

總之最後是失敗了

Thank you very much.

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