How synthetic biology could wipe out humanity -- and how we can stop it | Rob Reid

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譯者: Lo Hsien Huang 審譯者: Helen Chang
00:12
So, there's about seven and a half billion of us.
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世界上大約有七十五億人口
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The World Health Organization tells us that 300 million of us are depressed,
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世界衛生組織告訴我們 有三億人有憂鬱症
00:21
and about 800,000 people take their lives every year.
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而且每年有八十萬人自殺
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A tiny subset of them choose a profoundly nihilistic route,
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當中一小群人採取 一種極端虛無主義的路線
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which is they die in the act of killing as many people as possible.
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就是他們死的時候 也要盡可能殺死愈多人愈好
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These are some famous recent examples.
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這些是近期知名的案子
00:36
And here's a less famous one. It happened about nine weeks ago.
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這個案子則比較少人知道 它發生在九個星期前
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If you don't remember it,
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如果你不記得它
00:40
it's because there's a lot of this going on.
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那是因為很多類似的事不斷上演
00:42
Wikipedia just last year counted 323 mass shootings
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根據維基百科,光是去年 就有 323 起大規模槍擊事件
00:47
in my home country, the United States.
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發生在我的祖國:美國
00:50
Not all of those shooters were suicidal,
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並非所有兇手都有自殺傾向
00:52
not all of them were maximizing their death tolls,
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並非所有兇手都想 把死亡人數衝到最高
00:55
but many, many were.
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但許多兇手的確是如此
00:56
An important question becomes: What limits do these people have?
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關鍵的問題變成是: 這些兇手殺人有沒有限度?
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Take the Vegas shooter.
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比如,拉斯維加斯槍擊案兇手
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He slaughtered 58 people.
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他屠殺了 58 人
01:05
Did he stop there because he'd had enough?
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他停下來,是因為殺夠了嗎?
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No, and we know this because he shot and injured another 422 people
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我們知道不是如此 因為他還射傷另外 422 人
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who he surely would have preferred to kill.
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他當時肯定想殺掉這些人
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We have no reason to think he would have stopped at 4,200.
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我們沒理由認為 他會在殺了 4200 人時停手
01:19
In fact, with somebody this nihilistic, he may well have gladly killed us all.
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事實上,這麼虛無主義的人 他可能很樂意殺光我們
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We don't know.
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我們不知道
01:24
What we do know is this:
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我們確實知道一點:
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when suicidal murderers really go all in,
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有自殺傾向的兇手賭上一切時
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technology is the force multiplier.
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科技加強了殺傷力
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Here's an example.
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這裡有個案例
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Several years back, there was a rash of 10 mass school attacks in China
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幾年前,中國爆發了一連串 共十起大規模學校攻擊事件
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carried out with things like knives and hammers and cleavers,
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武器包括刀子、鐵槌、切肉刀
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because guns are really hard to get there.
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因為在中國很難取得槍枝
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By macabre coincidence, this last attack occurred
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恐怖的巧合是 最後一次攻擊的發生時間
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just hours before the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut.
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只比康乃狄克州紐敦大屠殺早幾小時
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But that one American attack killed roughly the same number of victims
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但這場美國攻擊事件的受害人數
大約等同那十起中國攻擊事件 受害人數的加總
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as the 10 Chinese attacks combined.
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02:01
So we can fairly say, knife: terrible; gun: way worse.
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所以,我們可以公平地說 刀子:很可怕;槍枝:更糟糕
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And airplane: massively worse,
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飛機:糟糕透頂了
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as pilot Andreas Lubitz showed when he forced 149 people
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因為飛行員安德烈亞斯·盧比茨 證明了他可以強迫 149 個人
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to join him in his suicide,
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陪他一起自殺
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smashing a plane into the French Alps.
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將一架飛機開去撞法國阿爾卑斯山
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And there are other examples of this.
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還有像這樣的其他案例
02:21
And I'm afraid there are far more deadly weapons in our near future than airplanes,
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我擔心不久的將來 還會出現比飛機更致命的武器
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ones not made of metal.
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不是用金屬做的
02:29
So let's consider the apocalyptic dynamics that will ensue
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我們來想一下 如果有自殺傾向的兇手
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if suicidal mass murder hitches a ride on a rapidly advancing field
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利用一個快速進步的科技 會造成什麼樣的大災難
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that for the most part holds boundless promise for society.
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而且這個科技還為社會帶來無限前景
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Somewhere out there in the world, there's a tiny group of people
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在世界的某處有一小群人
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who would attempt, however ineptly,
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不論做法多笨拙,也會嘗試
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to kill us all if they could just figure out how.
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殺光我們所有人 只要他們想出辦法來
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The Vegas shooter may or may not have been one of them,
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拉斯維加斯槍擊案兇手 可能是這種人,也可能不是
02:55
but with seven and a half billion of us,
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但世界上有七十五億人
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this is a nonzero population.
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絕對會有這種人存在
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There's plenty of suicidal nihilists out there.
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外面有不少自殺傾向的虛無主義者
03:02
We've already seen that.
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我們已經看過了
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There's people with severe mood disorders that they can't even control.
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有些人具有嚴重的情緒失調 他們自己甚至無法控制
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There are people who have just suffered deranging traumas, etc. etc.
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也有人受到精神上的創傷等等
03:12
As for the corollary group,
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這類的人
03:14
its size was simply zero forever until the Cold War,
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在冷戰時期前,人數始終是零
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when suddenly, the leaders of two global alliances
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突然間,世界兩大聯盟的領導人
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attained the ability to blow up the world.
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擁有可以炸掉全世界的能力
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The number of people with actual doomsday buttons
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從那之後,擁有末日按鈕的人數
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has stayed fairly stable since then.
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就一直維持不變
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But I'm afraid it's about to grow,
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但我擔心這個人數要開始成長了
03:34
and not just to three.
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而且不只從兩人變成三人
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This is going off the charts.
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這人數將會爆表
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I mean, it's going to look like a tech business plan.
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看起來像科技公司的商業計畫一樣
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:44
And the reason is,
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而且理由是
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we're in the era of exponential technologies,
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我們身處在指數成長的科技時代
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which routinely take eternal impossibilities
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這個時代會一直挑戰永遠不可能的事
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and make them the actual superpowers of one or two living geniuses
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然後把這些事轉變成天才般的超能力
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and -- this is the big part --
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而且,重點是:
04:00
then diffuse those powers to more or less everybody.
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接著會將那些超能力 普及到每個人身上
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Now, here's a benign example.
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舉一個無害的例子
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If you wanted to play checkers with a computer in 1952,
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在 1952 年,如果你想要 用電腦玩西洋跳棋
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you literally had to be that guy,
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你就一定得是那個傢伙
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then commandeer one of the world's 19 copies of that computer,
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然後一定要使用那種電腦 而世界上僅有十九台
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then used your Nobel-adjacent brain to teach it checkers.
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再用你聰明絕頂的大腦來教它下棋
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That was the bar.
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你要面對這些限制
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Today, you just need to know someone who knows someone who owns a telephone,
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現今,你只需要認識某個人 而他又認識有手機的人即可
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because computing is an exponential technology.
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因為運算是一種指數成長的科技
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So is synthetic biology,
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合成生物學也是如此
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which I'll now refer to as "synbio."
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接下來我會簡稱為「合生學」
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And in 2011, a couple of researchers did something every bit as ingenious
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2011 年,幾位研究員 做了一件事情
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and unprecedented as the checkers trick
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和西洋跳棋的把戲一樣巧妙且空前
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with H5N1 flu.
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但應用在 H5N1 流感上
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This is a strain that kills up to 60 percent of the people it infects,
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被這類病毒感染的人 高達六成會死亡
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more than Ebola.
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致死率比伊波拉還高
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But it is so uncontagious
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但它的傳染性不強
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that it's killed fewer than 50 people since 2015.
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所以從 2015 年之後 死亡人數不到五十個
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So these researchers edited H5N1's genome
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這些研究員編輯 H5N1 基因組
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and made it every bit as deadly, but also wildly contagious.
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讓它維持原本的致命性 還能廣泛傳染
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The news arm of one of the world's top two scientific journals
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世界前兩大科學期刊之一的 新聞部門指出
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said if this thing got out, it would likely cause a pandemic
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如果這東西流出去 會造成一場大規模流行病疫情
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with perhaps millions of deaths.
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可能會有數百萬人死亡
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And Dr. Paul Keim said
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保羅‧克伊姆博士說
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he could not think of an organism as scary as this,
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他想不出比這更可怕的有機體
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which is the last thing I personally want to hear
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我最不想從國家生物安全科學 顧問委員會主席口中聽到這話
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from the Chairman of the National Science Advisory Board on Biosecurity.
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05:34
And by the way, Dr. Keim also said this --
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順便一提,克伊姆博士也說過—— 【我不認為炭疽比這更可怕】
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["I don't think anthrax is scary at all compared to this."]
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而他也是一位炭疽專家 【我不認為炭疽比這更可怕】
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And he's also one of these.
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[Anthrax expert] (Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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Now, the good news about the 2011 biohack
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在 2011 年有關生物駭客的好消息是
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is that the people who did it didn't mean us any harm.
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做這件事的人並不是為了傷害我們
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They're virologists.
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他們是病毒學家
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They believed they were advancing science.
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他們相信自己將科學向前推進
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The bad news is that technology does not freeze in place,
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壞消息是,這項科技 並沒有適時停下來
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and over the next few decades,
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而且接下來幾十年
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their feat will become trivially easy.
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一般人要做到他們的壯舉 會變得輕而易舉
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In fact, it's already way easier, because as we learned yesterday morning,
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事實上,現在就已經容易許多了 因為昨天早上我們得知
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just two years after they did their work,
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在他們研究兩年後
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the CRISPR system was harnessed for genome editing.
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CRISPR 系統就被用來 做基因組編輯
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This was a radical breakthrough
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這是一項根本性的突破
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that makes gene editing massively easier --
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讓基因編輯變得簡單許多
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so easy that CRISPR is now taught in high schools.
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簡單到現在連高中都在教 CRISPR 了
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And this stuff is moving quicker than computing.
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這東西的進展速度比電腦運算更快
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That slow, stodgy white line up there?
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上面那條緩慢下降的白線是什麼?
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That's Moore's law.
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那是摩爾定律
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That shows us how quickly computing is getting cheaper.
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它代表電腦運算成本下降有多快
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That steep, crazy-fun green line,
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而那條誇張陡峭的綠線
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that shows us how quickly genetic sequencing is getting cheaper.
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代表基因定序成本下降有多快
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Now, gene editing and synthesis and sequencing,
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基因編輯、合成和定序
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they're different disciplines, but they're tightly related.
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它們是不同的學科,但它們息息相關
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And they're all moving in these headlong rates.
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它們都以驚人的速度在發展
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And the keys to the kingdom are these tiny, tiny data files.
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進入這個王國的鑰匙 就是這些極小的資料檔案
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That is an excerpt of H5N1's genome.
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這是 H5N1 基因組當中的一段
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The whole thing can fit on just a few pages.
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整個基因組的長度大概會佔幾張頁面
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And yeah, don't worry, you can Google this as soon as you get home.
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別擔心,你回家就可以趕快搜尋一下
網路上到處都有,對吧?
07:03
It's all over the internet, right?
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讓它變成有傳染性的那一部分
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And the part that made it contagious
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07:06
could well fit on a single Post-it note.
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可以放進一張便利貼
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And once a genius makes a data file,
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只要有位天才做出一個資料檔案
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any idiot can copy it,
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任何白痴都能複製它
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distribute it worldwide
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將它發佈到全世界
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or print it.
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或把它列印出來
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And I don't just mean print it on this,
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我指的不僅是印在這上面
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but soon enough, on this.
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不用多久,也可以印在這上面
07:24
So let's imagine a scenario.
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我們來假想一個情境
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Let's say it's 2026, to pick an arbitrary year,
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比如 2026 年,隨便挑一年
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and a brilliant virologist, hoping to advance science
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一位優秀的病毒學家希望科學再進步
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and better understand pandemics,
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為了進一步暸解流行病
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designs a new bug.
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因此設計了一種新的病菌
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It's as contagious as chicken pox,
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它的傳染性不輸給水痘
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it's as deadly as Ebola,
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致命程度和伊波拉一樣
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and it incubates for months and months before causing an outbreak,
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它醞釀數個月才會爆發
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so the whole world can be infected before the first sign of trouble.
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所以,發現任何危險徵兆前 全世界可能已經被感染了
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Then, her university gets hacked.
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然後,她的大學被駭客入侵
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And of course, this is not science fiction.
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當然,這不是科幻小說
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In fact, just one recent US indictment
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事實上,美國最近有份起訴書
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documents the hacking of over 300 universities.
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記載超過三百間大學被駭客侵入
08:01
So that file with the bug's genome on it spreads to the internet's dark corners.
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附帶病菌基因組的檔案 便散播到網路的黑暗角落
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And once a file is out there, it never comes back --
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一旦檔案流出去,就再也回不來了
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just ask anybody who runs a movie studio or a music label.
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去問電影或唱片公司的人 他們知道這種事
08:16
So now maybe in 2026,
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也許在 2026 年
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it would take a true genius like our virologist
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要像病毒學家這樣的天才
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to make the actual living critter,
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才能製造出活生生的異常生物
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but 15 years later,
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但十五年之後
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it may just take a DNA printer you can find at any high school.
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可能只要使用任何高中都有的 DNA 列印機就可以辦到
08:29
And if not?
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如果不是這樣?
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Give it a couple of decades.
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再過幾十年後仍然會成真
08:34
So, a quick aside:
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讓我打個岔
記得這張投影片嗎?
08:36
Remember this slide here?
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08:37
Turn your attention to these two words.
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把注意力放在這兩個字上面:
【或許】
08:40
If somebody tries this and is only 0.1 percent effective,
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如果有人試圖利用這種方式殺人 儘管成功機率只有 0.1%
08:47
eight million people die.
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就有八百萬人會死亡
08:48
That's 2,500 9/11s.
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等同九一一事件發生兩千五百次
08:52
Civilization would survive,
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文明會存活下來
08:55
but it would be permanently disfigured.
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但它會受到永久性傷害
08:58
So this means we need to be concerned about anybody
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這就表示我們得要擔心
09:01
who has the faintest shot on goal,
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任何有一丁點機會 達成這個目標的人
09:03
not just geniuses.
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不能只擔心那些天才
09:06
So today, there's a tiny handful of geniuses
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現今,只有一小群天才
09:11
who probably could make a doomsday bug
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才有可能做出末日病菌
09:13
that's .1-percent effective and maybe even a little bit more.
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那大概是 0.1% 的成功機率 或稍微高一點
09:17
They tend to be stable and successful and so not part of this group.
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這些通常是穩定且成功的人
所以不屬於這個族群 【想殺光所有人的一群人】
09:22
So I guess I'm sorta kinda barely OK-ish with that.
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所以我還勉強可以接受 【想殺光所有人的一群人】
09:26
But what about after technology improves
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但是如果科技進步了
09:29
and diffuses
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而且普及了
09:30
and thousands of life science grad students are enabled?
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數千名生命科學研究生 都能夠做得到呢?
09:34
Are every single one of them going to be perfectly stable?
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但是每一個研究生都很穩定嗎?
09:37
Or how about a few years after that,
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如果再過個幾年
09:39
where every stress-ridden premed is fully enabled?
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每個壓力大的醫學院預科生 也都能做到呢?
09:43
At some point in that time frame,
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到時候,某個時間點
09:45
these circles are going to intersect,
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這些圓圈將會有交集
09:47
because we're now starting to talk about hundreds of thousands of people
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因為我們在談的是全世界數十萬人
09:51
throughout the world.
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09:52
And they recently included that guy who dressed up like the Joker
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最近,這類人當中 有一位穿著像是小丑
09:56
and shot 12 people to death at a Batman premiere.
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在蝙蝠俠首映會上射殺了十二個人
09:59
That was a neuroscience PhD student
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他是一位神經科學博士生
10:01
with an NIH grant.
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拿了國家衛生研究院的獎助金
10:05
OK, plot twist:
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好吧,劇情有所翻轉了:
10:07
I think we can actually survive this one if we start focusing on it now.
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如果我們現在開始重視這個問題 是有機會安全度過
10:11
And I say this, having spent countless hours
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我會這麼說,而且已經花了無數小時
10:14
interviewing global leaders in synbio
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訪問全世界的合生學領導人
10:17
and also researching their work for science podcasts I create.
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為了我所創立的播客節目 我也去研究他們的成果
10:21
I have come to fear their work, in case I haven't gotten that out there yet --
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我開始對研究成果感到擔憂 即便我還沒完全弄懂
10:27
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:28
but more than that, to revere its potential.
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但不只如此,我更敬畏它的潛力。
10:32
This stuff will cure cancer, heal our environment
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這些研究可以治療癌症 改善我們的環境
10:35
and stop our cruel treatment of other creatures.
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阻止我們用殘酷的方式對待其他生物
10:39
So how do we get all this without, you know, annihilating ourselves?
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我們要如何做到這些成果 同時不要毀滅我們自己?
10:44
First thing: like it or not, synbio is here,
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首先:不論你們喜不喜歡 合生學的時代來臨了
10:47
so let's embrace the technology.
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所以,我們就擁抱這項科技吧
10:49
If we do a tech ban,
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如果我們頒佈科技禁令
10:51
that would only hand the wheel to bad actors.
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那只會把掌控權交到壞人手上
10:54
Unlike nuclear programs,
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這不像核能計畫
10:57
biology can be practiced invisibly.
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生物學可以用看不見的方式進行
10:59
Massive Soviet cheating on bioweapons treaties
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蘇聯大量違反生化武器協定 就是很好的證明
11:03
made that very clear, as does every illegal drug lab in the world.
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其他的例子還有 世界各地的非法藥品實驗室
11:07
Secondly, enlist the experts.
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第二,召募專家
11:10
Let's sign them up and make more of them.
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把他們簽下來,愈多愈好
11:12
For every million and one bioengineers we have,
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每一百萬零一名生物工程師當中
11:14
at least a million of them are going to be on our side.
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至少一百萬名是站在我們這邊的
11:18
I mean, Al Capone would be on our side in this one.
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這件事上,連黑幫老大 也會站在我們這邊
11:21
The bar to being a good guy is just so low.
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成為好人的標準非常低
11:25
And massive numerical advantages do matter,
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在人數上有大量優勢還是很重要
11:28
even when a single bad guy can inflict grievous harm,
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即使是只有一個壞蛋 造成巨大傷害的情況下
11:31
because among many other things,
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因為其中一個好處
11:33
they allow us to exploit the hell out of this:
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就是使我們能夠利用這點:
11:35
we have years and hopefully decades to prepare and prevent.
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我們還有數年,希望有數十年 可以做好準備和預防
11:41
The first person to try something awful -- and there will be somebody --
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第一個嘗試去做恐怖事的人 將來會做這件事的人
11:45
may not even be born yet.
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可能還沒出生
11:47
Next, this needs to be an effort that spans society,
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接著,整個社會要一同努力
11:50
and all of you need to be a part of it,
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所有人必須要參與
11:53
because we cannot ask a tiny group of experts
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因為我們不能要求一小群專家
11:57
to be responsible for both containing and exploiting synthetic biology,
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既要負責遏制合成生物學 又要利用合成生物學
12:02
because we already tried that with the financial system,
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因為我們對金融體制試過這個做法
12:05
and our stewards became massively corrupted
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我們的財務管理者變得非常腐敗
12:09
as they figured out how they could cut corners,
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他們想出走捷徑的方式
12:11
inflict massive, massive risks on the rest of us
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讓我們其他人承受非常大的風險
12:14
and privatize the gains,
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並將利益放進自己的口袋裡
12:16
becoming repulsively wealthy
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用令人反感的手段致富
12:18
while they stuck us with the $22 trillion bill.
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同時丟給我們 一張 22 兆美元的帳單
12:22
And more recently --
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更近期——
12:24
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
12:26
Are you the ones who have gotten the thank-you letters?
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你們是有收到感謝信的人嗎? 我還在等我的信
12:29
I'm still waiting for mine.
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我覺得他們是太忙所以沒空感恩
12:30
I just figured they were too busy to be grateful.
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12:33
And much more recently,
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再更近期
12:36
online privacy started looming as a huge issue,
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網路隱私這個重大議題開始出現
12:39
and we basically outsourced it.
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而我們基本上就是把它外包
12:41
And once again:
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而且同樣的是:
12:42
privatized gains, socialized losses.
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利益放進個人口袋,社會來分攤虧損
12:45
Is anybody else sick of this pattern?
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還有人也對這種事感到厭倦嗎?
12:47
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
12:52
So we need a more inclusive way to safeguard our prosperity,
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我們需要用更包容的方式
來維護我們的繁榮
12:58
our privacy
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我們的隱私
12:59
and soon, our lives.
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不久後,還要維護我們的性命
13:01
So how do we do all of this?
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我們要怎麼做到這一切?
13:04
Well, when bodies fight pathogens,
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當身體要對抗病原體時
13:06
they use ingenious immune systems,
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身體會使用很精巧的免疫系統
13:09
which are very complex and multilayered.
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這種系統非常複雜、多層次
13:11
Why don't we build one of these for the whole damn ecosystem?
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我們何不為整個生態建造這種系統?
13:14
There's a year of TED Talks that could be given on this first critical layer.
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針對第一項重要的醫學層面 就可以辦一整年的 TED 演說
13:17
So these are just a couple of many great ideas that are out there.
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外面有許多很棒的點子 這些只是其中一部分
13:21
Some R and D muscle
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靠著研發能力
13:23
could take the very primitive pathogen sensors that we currently have
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可以改良目前非常原始的 病原體感測器
13:28
and put them on a very steep price performance curve
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將其價格降低,效能大幅提升
13:31
that would quickly become ingenious
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這很快就會變得精巧
13:33
and networked
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而且可以連上網路
13:34
and gradually as widespread as smoke detectors and even smartphones.
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漸漸和煙霧偵測器 甚至是智慧手機一樣普遍
13:38
On a very related note:
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我做一個相關的補充:
13:40
vaccines have all kinds of problems
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疫苗在製造和配送上
13:43
when it comes to manufacturing and distribution,
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有各式各樣的問題
13:46
and once they're made, they can't adapt to new threats or mutations.
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而且一旦疫苗被做出來了 就無法適應新的威脅或突變
13:51
We need an agile biomanufacturing base
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我們需要有彈性的生化製造基地
13:53
extending into every single pharmacy and maybe even our homes.
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能延伸到每一間藥房 或甚至我們的家中
13:58
Printer technology for vaccines and medicines is within reach
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疫苗及藥物的列印技術 已經快要實現了
14:01
if we prioritize it.
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如果我們把它列為第一優先順序
14:03
Next, mental health.
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接著,心理健康層面
14:05
Many people who commit suicidal mass murder
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許多犯下大規模自殺式攻擊的人
14:08
suffer from crippling, treatment-resistant depression or PTSD.
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都有肢體傷殘、難治型憂鬱症 或是創傷後壓力症候群
14:13
We need noble researchers like Rick Doblin working on this,
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在這個議題上,我們需要 優秀的研究者如瑞克‧杜布林
14:17
but we also need the selfish jerks who are way more numerous
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但同時也需要讓許多自私的混蛋
14:21
to appreciate the fact that acute suffering will soon endanger all of us,
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領悟到劇烈的苦難 很快就會危及到我們所有人
14:27
not just those afflicted.
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而不是只有那些相關的人
14:29
Those jerks will then join us and Al Capone
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那些混蛋接著會攜手黑幫老大和我們
14:32
in fighting this condition.
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一起對抗這個情形
14:35
Third, each and every one of us can be and should be a white blood cell
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第三,我們每個人
在這個免疫系統之中都可以 也應該成為白血球
14:41
in this immune system.
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14:43
Suicidal mass murderers can be despicable, yes,
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大規模自殺式攻擊的兇手相當的卑劣
14:46
but they're also terribly broken and sad people,
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但是他們也是相當傷心絕望的人
14:50
and those of us who aren't need to do what we can
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而我們需要竭盡所能
14:53
to make sure nobody goes unloved.
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讓每個人都感受到關愛
14:56
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
15:01
Next, we need to make fighting these dangers
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接著我們需要對抗
15:04
core to the discipline of synthetic biology.
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危害合生學核心原則的事物
15:07
There are companies out there that at least claim
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外面有些公司至少聲稱
15:09
they let their engineers spend 20 percent of their time
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他們讓工程師擁有五分之一的時間
15:12
doing whatever they want.
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去做他們想做的事情
15:13
What if those who hire bioengineers
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如果那些雇用生物工程師的人
15:16
and become them
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變成工程師
15:17
give 20 percent of their time to building defenses for the common good?
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花掉他們五分之一的時間 為公共利益建立防禦機制好嗎?
15:23
Not a bad idea, right?
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這是個不錯的點子吧?
15:24
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
15:26
Then, finally: this won't be any fun.
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最後:這一切不會太有趣
15:28
But we need to let our minds go to some very, very dark places,
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但是我們需要去思考 一些非常灰暗的地方
15:32
and thank you for letting me take you there this evening.
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而且我感謝大家 讓我今晚能夠帶著各位省思
15:36
We survived the Cold War
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我們度過了冷戰
15:38
because every one of us understood and respected the danger,
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因為我們每個人都瞭解 而且敬畏戰爭的威脅
15:42
in part, because we had spent decades
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一部分是因為我們 曾用了幾十年的時間
15:45
telling ourselves terrifying ghost stories
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告訴我們自己一些相當驚悚的鬼故事
15:47
with names like "Dr. Strangelove"
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像是《奇愛博士》
15:49
and "War Games."
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還有《戰爭遊戲》
15:51
This is no time to remain calm.
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現在沒有時間保持冷靜
15:53
This is one of those rare times when it's incredibly productive
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這是一個罕見的時代
15:56
to freak the hell out --
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搞出一堆嚇死人的鬼東西
15:59
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
16:02
to come up with some ghost stories
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這是為了想出一些鬼故事
16:04
and use our fear as fuel to fight this danger.
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利用我們的恐懼 作為對抗危險的動力
16:09
Because, all these terrible scenarios I've painted --
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因為我所描繪的糟糕情境
16:13
they are not destiny.
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並不是注定要發生的
16:16
They're optional.
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而是取決於我們的選擇
16:18
The danger is still kind of distant.
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這個威脅還距離我們有些遠
16:22
And that means it will only befall us
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但是如果我們放任它
16:25
if we allow it to.
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那麼災難將會降臨在我們頭上
16:27
Let's not.
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我們千萬別這麼做
16:29
Thank you very much for listening.
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非常感謝大家的聆聽
16:30
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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