How forgiveness can create a more just legal system | Martha Minow

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翻译人员: Yanyan Hong 校对人员: Wanting Zhong
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Would you ever forgive a person who kills a member of your family?
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你会原谅一个杀害了 你家人的罪犯吗?
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In September of 2019,
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在 2019 年 9 月,
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Dallas police officer Amber Guyger was sentenced for murder,
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达拉斯警察安柏尔 · 盖格 (Amber Guyger)因谋杀被判刑,
00:27
and then the brother of the victim
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紧接着受害者的兄弟
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forgave her.
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宽恕了她。
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Brandt Jean was 18 years old,
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当时布兰特 · 基恩 (Brandt Jean)18 岁,
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and I joined the rest of the country watching on television in awe
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而我和全国的观众在电视上见证了
他这仁慈之举,并深感敬佩。
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at that act of grace.
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But I also worried.
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但我也担心,
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I worried that people who are African American like Brandt Jean
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我担心像布兰特 · 基恩 这样的非裔美国人
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are expected to forgive more often than other people.
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会比他人更频繁地 被期望去原谅。
00:56
And I worried that a white police officer like Amber Guyger
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我也担心像安柏尔 · 盖格 这样的白人警员,
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receives a lesser sentence
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比起犯下同样过失杀人罪的人
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than other people who commit wrongful killings.
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会受到更轻的责罚。
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But because I'm a law professor,
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但因为我是一位法律学教授,
01:09
I also worried about the law itself.
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我也担心法律本身。
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The law leans so severely towards punishment these days
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目前法律如此严重地倾向于惩罚,
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that it's part of the problem.
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这就是问题的一部分,
01:21
And that's what I want to talk about here.
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而这便是我想在这里探讨的主题。
01:25
The powerful example of one individual's forgiveness
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个人宽恕的有力案例
01:29
makes me worry that lawyers and officials too often overlook the tools
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让我担心律师和官员经常会忽略
法律本身创造出来的 允许宽恕的工具,
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that law itself creates to allow forgiveness,
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01:39
when the principle should be the cornerstone of a thriving society.
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而这条原则本应该是 一个繁荣社会的基石。
01:46
I worry that lawyers and officials do not adequately use the tools of forgiveness,
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我担心律师和官员不能够 合理地利用宽恕的工具,
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by which I mean letting go of justified grievance.
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我的意思是放过了正当的申诉。
01:56
And those tools are many.
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那样的工具有很多,
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They include pardons, commutations, expungement,
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包括赦免、减刑、消除犯罪记录、
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bankruptcy for debt
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债务抵押,
02:05
and the discretion that's held by police and prosecutors and judges.
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以及警方、检察官和法官的酌情权。
02:11
But I also worry -- I worry a lot --
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但我还是担心—— 我担心的事很多——
02:13
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:14
I worry that these tools, when used, replicate the disparities,
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我担心这些工具, 使用时会再现悬殊差距,
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the inequities along the lines of race and class and other markers
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即由种族、阶级和其他各种 划分优势、弱势的标记
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of advantage and disadvantage.
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而导致的不平等。
02:27
Biases or privileged access are at work
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当美国总统赦免犯罪时,
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when United States presidents pardon people charged with crimes.
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偏见和特权也在起作用。
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Historically, white people are pardoned four times as often
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历史记录显示, 针对同样的罪行与惩罚,
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as members of minority groups for the same crime, same sentence.
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白人被豁免的概率是 其他少数群体的四倍。
02:47
Forgiveness between individuals is supported by every religious tradition,
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人与人之间的宽恕 是被所有宗教传统、
02:53
every philosophic tradition.
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所有哲学传所支持的。
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And medical evidence now shows
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而今医学证据显示,
02:58
the health benefits of letting go of grievances and resentments.
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放下不满和仇恨对我们的健康有益。
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As Nelson Mandela led South Africa's transition
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正如曼德拉领导着南非
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from apartheid to democracy,
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从种族隔离走向民主时,
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he explained,
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他解释道,
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"Resentment is like drinking a poison and hoping it will kill your enemies."
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“仇恨就像是自己喝下毒药, 却希望它能杀死你的敌人。”
03:20
Law can remove the penalties for those who apologize and seek forgiveness.
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法律能够为愿意道歉 并寻求宽恕者豁免刑罚。
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For example, in 39 states in the United States
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比如,在美国的 39 个州
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and the District of Columbia,
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以及哥伦比亚特区,
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there are laws that allow medical professionals to apologize
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有法律允许医务工作者
在出现问题时道歉,
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when something goes wrong
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03:35
and not fear that that statement could later be used against them
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而不用害怕道歉的内容 在后续的损害诉讼中
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in an action for damages.
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被用作指控他们的不利证据。
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More actively, bankruptcy law offers debtors, under some conditions,
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更主动的是破产法, 在某些条件下会给负债人
03:47
the chance to start anew.
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一个重新开始的机会。
03:50
Pardons and expungements sealing criminal records can, too.
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赦免和消除犯罪记录亦如是。
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I have been teaching law for almost 40 years, hard to believe,
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不敢相信,我教了快 40 年的法律,
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but recently, I realized
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但最近,我才意识到,
04:04
that we don't teach law students about the tools of forgiveness
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我们没有把法律体系内 有关宽恕的工具,
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that are within the legal system,
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教给法学生们,
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and nor do law schools usually explore
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法学院通常也不会探索
04:14
the potential for new avenues for forgiveness
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法律能够采用或协助的
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that law can adopt or assist.
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潜在的宽恕新途径。
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These are lost opportunities.
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这些都是错失的机会,
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These are lost obligations, even,
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甚至可以说是错失的义务,
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because the students that I teach
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因为我教的学生
04:28
will become prosecutors, judges, governors, presidents.
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将来会成为检察官、法官、州长、总统。
04:35
Barack Obama, my former student,
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巴拉克 · 奥巴马(Barack Obama) 就是我以前的学生,
04:37
used his power as the President of the United States to give pardons.
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他曾用身为美国总统的特权给予特赦,
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That released several hundred people from prison after the law changed
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从监狱里释放了数百人,
他们当初因毒品犯罪被定罪, 而法律修改后,
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to provide shorter sentences for the same drug crimes
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for which they had been convicted.
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相对应的刑期已被缩短。
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But if he hadn't used his pardon power, they would still be in prison.
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如果他当时没有使用特赦权, 那么这些人至今仍将身处狱中。
04:58
Legal tools of forgiveness should be used more,
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法律内宽恕的工具应当被更多使用,
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but not without reason and not with bias.
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但必须要有理由,且不带偏见。
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A "New Yorker" cartoon shows a judge with a big nose and a big mustache
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《纽约客》杂志有幅漫画, 一位大鼻子、大胡须的法官,
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looking down at a defendant with the exact same nose
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他向下看着的被告 也有和他一模一样的鼻子
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and exact same mustache
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和一模一样的胡须,
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and says, "Obviously not guilty."
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然后法官说,“很明显,无罪。”
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Forgiveness could undermine the commitment that law has
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宽恕有可能会动摇法律的承诺:
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to treat people the same under the same circumstances,
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在同样的情况下, 一视同仁地对待所有人,
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to apply rules evenly.
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公正地应用法律条例。
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In this age of resentment, mass incarceration,
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在这个充满仇恨、大量监禁、
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widespread consumer debt,
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消费债务泛滥的时代,
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we need more forgiveness, but we need a philosophy of forgiveness.
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我们需要更多的宽恕, 但我们更需要宽恕的哲学。
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We need to forgive fairly.
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我们需要公平的宽恕。
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Contrast the treatment globally of child soldiers
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让我们将全世界儿童兵所受到的待遇
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with the treatment of juvenile offenders in the United States.
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和美国少年犯所受到的待遇对比。
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International human rights condemn and punish adults
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国际人权条例会谴责并惩罚那些
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who involve children in armed conflict
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让孩童涉入武装冲突的成人,
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as those most responsible,
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认为他们最该为此负责,
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but treat the children themselves quite differently.
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而对那些孩童本身的处置 则大为不同。
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The International Criminal Court,
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国际刑事法院
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now with 122 member nations,
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现在有 122 个成员国,
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convicted Thomas Lubanga, warlord in the [Democratic Republic of the] Congo,
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该法庭将刚果(民主共和国)的军阀 托马斯 · 卢班加(Thomas Lubanga)定罪,
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for enlisting, recruiting and deploying children, teens, as soldiers.
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因其征募、招募和部署 儿童和青少年从军。
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Many nations commit to ensuring that people under the age of 15
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许多国家致力于 确保 15 岁以下的人
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do not become child soldiers,
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不会成为儿童兵,
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and most nations treat those who do become soldiers
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而且大多数国家不会把那些
已成为儿童兵的孩子作为惩罚对象,
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not as objects of punishment
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but as people deserving a fresh start.
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而是认为他们理应获得 重新开始的机会。
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Compare and contrast how the United States treats juvenile offenders,
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与之比较美国是怎么惩罚少年犯的,
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where we severely punish minors,
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我们会严厉惩罚未成年人,
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often moving them to adult courts, even adult prisons.
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经常会把他们送上成人法庭, 甚至成人的监狱。
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And yet, like child soldiers,
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然而就像儿童兵一样,
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teens and children are drawn into violent activity in the United States
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在美国,青少年和孩子被卷入暴力活动,
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when there are few options,
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是因为他们没有选择,
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when they are threatened
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他们受到威胁,
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or when adults induce them with money or ideology.
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或被成年人以金钱或意识形态引诱。
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The rhetoric of innocence is resonant when we talk about child soldiers,
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当我们谈论儿童兵时,关于他们的 天真无邪的辞藻总会引起共鸣,
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but not when we talk about teen gang members in the United States.
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但是当我们谈论美国 青少年帮派成员时却并非如此,
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Yet in both settings, youth are caught in worlds that are made by adults,
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但在两种情况下,年轻人 都被困在成年人制造的世界,
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and forgiveness can offer both accountability and fresh starts.
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而宽恕能让他们 担起责任,重新开始。
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What if, instead, young people caught in criminal activity and violence
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如果取而代之,因涉入 犯罪活动和暴力而被逮捕的年轻人
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could have chances to accept responsibility
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能有机会在学习与重建 自己的生活与社区的过程中
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while learning and rebuilding their lives and their own communities?
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去承担责任,那会怎样?
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Legal frameworks inviting youth to describe their conduct
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能够让年轻人叙述自己所作所为 的法律框架,
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could also involve community members to hear and forgive.
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也能让社区成员去倾听与原谅他们。
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Called "restorative justice,"
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这被称为“修复式司法” (restorative justice),
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such efforts emphasize accountability and service
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这些努力更强调的是责任和服务,
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rather than punishment.
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而非责罚。
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Many schools in the United States have turned to use restorative justice methods
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美国的许多学校已经 开始使用修复式司法的方式
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to resolve conflicts and to prevent them,
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来解决矛盾和防止冲突,
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and to disrupt the school-to-prison pipeline.
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从而瓦解从学校到监狱的路径。
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Some American high schools have replaced automatic suspensions
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有些美国高中已经 取消了自动停学措施,
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with opportunities for victims to narrate their experiences
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而是给受害者机会讲述他们的遭遇,
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and for offenders to take responsibility for their actions.
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也让加害者有机会为他们的行为负责。
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As they describe their experiences and feelings about a theft
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当他们在描述自己有关盗窃、
08:29
or hateful graffiti or a verbal or physical assault,
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仇恨涂鸦、言语或肢体攻击 的经历和感受时,
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the victims and offenders often express strong emotions.
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受害者和加害者经常会情绪激动。
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And other members of the community take turns
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接着,其他的社区成员会轮流
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describing the impact of the offense on them.
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描述这些罪行对他们的影响。
08:44
The leader is often a student peer, who is trained to deescalate the conflict
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谈话的领导者通常是同龄学生, 他们受过如何缓和冲突的训练,
08:50
and orchestrate a conversation about what the offender can do
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并且能组织对话, 探讨加害者能做些什么
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that would help the victim.
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才能帮助受害者。
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Together, they come to an agreement about how to move forward,
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他们一同达成如何前进的共识,
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what the wrongdoer can do to repair the injury
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做错事的人知道该 做些什么去弥补伤害,
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and what all could do to better avoid future conflicts.
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而大家可以知道要怎样 才能避免未来的冲突。
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Consider this example, recently in a publication.
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比如说最近发布的这个案例:
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A young woman named Mercedes M. transferred, in California,
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一名位于加州,名叫梅赛德斯 · M 的年轻女性,
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from one high school to another
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由于在她原来的高中经常打架,
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after she was so repeatedly suspended in her old high school
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而被多次停学,
不得不转校。
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for getting into fights.
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And here in her new high school,
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在她就读的新高中里,
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two other young women accused her of lying
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另外两名女生指责她撒谎,
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and called her the b-word.
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并用脏话(“婊子”)骂她。
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A counselor came over and talked to her and earned enough trust
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一位辅导员过来与她交谈, 并取得了她的信任,
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that she acknowledged she had stolen the shoes of one of the other classmates.
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她承认她偷了其中一位同学的鞋子。
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Turns out, the three of them had known each other for a long time,
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真相是,她们三个相识已久,
但是除了打架外,她们不知道
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and they didn't know any other way to deal with each other
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如何与彼此相处。
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other than to fight.
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The facilitator invited them to participate in a circle,
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于是协调人邀请她们参加一次交流会,
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a confidential conversation about what happened,
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在保密环境下讨论所发生的事情。
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and they agreed.
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而她们同意参加。
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And initially, each of them expressed a lot of emotion.
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起初,她们每个人都情绪激动,
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And then Mercedes apologized.
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接着,梅赛德斯道歉了,
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And she said she had stolen the shoes,
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她说她确实偷了鞋子,
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but she did so because she wanted to sell them
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但她这样做是因为想卖掉它们,
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and take the money to pay for a drug test
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然后把钱用来支付妈妈的药检费。
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so that her mother could show she was clean
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这样她的妈妈就能证明清白,
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and try to regain custody of two younger children
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她就可能重新获得 两个年幼孩子的监护权,
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who were then in state protective care.
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他们此时正在接受 政府保护机构的看护。
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The other girls heard this,
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另外两个女孩听完这些,
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saw Mercedes crying
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看到梅赛德斯的眼泪,
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and they hugged her.
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她们拥抱了她。
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They did not ask her to return what she'd stolen,
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她们没有叫她归还偷走的东西,
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but they did say they wanted a restart.
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而是说她们想要重新开始。
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They wanted a reason they could trust her.
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她们想要重新信任她的理由。
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Later, Mercedes explained
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后来,梅赛德斯解释说,
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that she was sure she would have been suspended
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如果没有这次交流,
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if they hadn't had this process.
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她一定又会被停学。
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And her high school has reduced suspensions by more than half
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她的高中用这种修复式司法的方式
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through the use of this kind of restorative justice method.
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已经将停学人数减少了一半。
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Restorative justice alternatives involve offenders and victims
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修复式司法的选项 让加害者和受害者
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in communicating in ways
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能有更多机会去沟通,
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that an adversarial and defensive process does not allow,
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而这些沟通方式在 诉讼和辩护程序中是不允许的,
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and it's become the go-to method
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而它在诸如哥伦比亚特区 未成年人司法系统的地方,
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in places like the District of Columbia juvenile justice system
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以及类似洛杉矶青少年法庭的创新中
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and innovations like Los Angeles's Teen Court.
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已然成了一个首选方法。
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If tuned to fairness,
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如果为了追求公平,
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forgiveness methods like bankruptcy would be available
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类似破产法的宽恕方法
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not only for the for-profit college that goes belly-up
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不仅可以用于 濒临破产的盈利性大学,
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but also for the students stuck with the loans;
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也可以适用于那些 因贷款陷入困境的学生;
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pardons would not be given to campaign contributors;
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赦免令不应该只给予那些选举支持者,
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and black men would no longer have 20 percent longer criminal sentences
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黑人的刑期也不再会比白人长 20%,
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than do white men,
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due to how judges exercise discretion.
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而这些是由于法官 行使自由裁定权所致。
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Forgiveness across the board is one way to avoid such biases.
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广泛的宽恕 是避免这类偏见的一种方式,
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Sometimes, a society just needs a reset
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有时,当涉及到责罚和债务时,
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when it comes to punishment and debt.
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社会需要的只是重启。
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The Bible calls for periodic forgiveness of debts
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《圣经》呼吁要定期解除债务,
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and freeing prisoners,
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释放囚犯,
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and it recently helped to inspire a global movement.
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而它最近启发了一场全球性运动,
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Jubilee 2000 joined Pope John Paul II
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教皇约翰保罗二世与摇滚巨星波诺,
还有超过 60 个国家参与的 Jubilee 2000。
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and rock star Bono and over 60 nations
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12:21
in an effort to seek the cancellation and succeed in canceling
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他们致力于呼吁取消 发展中国家的债务,
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the debt of developing countries,
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并取得了成功。
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amounting to over 100 billion dollars
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最终,总计超过 1000 亿美元
12:32
of debt canceled,
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的债务被取消,
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resulting in measurable reduction in poverty.
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使世界上贫困人口显著减少。
12:40
In a similar spirit, there are people who are copying the techniques
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本着同样的理念, 有人借鉴了那些
商业买债公司的技巧,
12:44
of commercial debt collectors
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who purchase debt for pennies on the dollar
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这些公司花费几美分 就能购买 1 美元的债务,
12:48
and then seek to enforce it.
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然后通过追债获利。
12:51
Late-night television host John Oliver partnered with a nonprofit group
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深夜电视节目主持人 约翰 · 奥利弗(John Oliver)
与一家叫 RIP Medical Debt 的非盈利组织合作,
12:55
called RIP Medical Debt,
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and for only 60,000 dollars,
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只花了六万美元,
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they purchased 15 million dollars' worth of medical debt,
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他们就购买了价值 1500 万美元的医疗债务,
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and then they forgave it.
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接着,他们将这些债务一笔勾销。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:16
That allowed nearly 9,000 people to have a restart in their lives.
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那使得近 9000 人可以 重新开始他们的生活,
13:22
This kind of precedent should trigger and encourage more such actions.
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这种先例应能引起和鼓励 更多这样的行动。
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It's time for a reset,
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是时候重启了,
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given mass incarceration,
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想想大量的监禁,
13:31
medical and consumer debt
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医疗和消费债务,
13:33
and given indigent criminal defendants
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还有那些因受到指控而深陷债务
13:36
who are charged and put in debt
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的穷困被告们,
13:38
because they're expected to pay for their own probation officers
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因为他们要支付自己的缓刑官,
13:42
and their own electronic monitors.
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以及自己的电子监控器。
13:46
Forgiving violations of law
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宽恕违法行为
13:48
or promises to pay back loans
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或者待偿的借贷,
13:51
does pose risks.
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确实有风险。
13:53
Forgiveness may encourage more violations.
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宽恕可能会鼓励更多的犯罪,
13:55
Economists even have a name for it.
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经济学家们甚至为此起了名,
13:58
They call it "moral hazard."
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他们称之为“道德风险 ”。
14:01
Should there be amnesty for immigration violations?
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违反移民法规的人可以得到赦免吗?
14:05
Should a president offer pardons to protect himself
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总统应该提出特赦来保护他自己,
14:08
or to induce lawbreaking?
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或是促使违法行为吗?
14:11
These are tough questions for our time.
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这些都是我们时代的难题,
14:14
But escalating resentments hold their own dangers.
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但是不断升级的仇恨 也有其自身的危害,
14:18
So does attributing blame to individuals
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把不在其自身掌控范围的责任
14:22
for circumstances largely outside their own control.
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归咎于个人也同样有其危害。
14:26
To ask how law may forgive is not to deny the fact of wrongdoing.
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寻求法律上的宽恕 并不是在否认犯罪事实,
14:33
Rather, it's to widen the lens
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而是在拓展视野,
14:36
to enable glimpses of the larger patterns
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能让我们窥见大局,
14:39
and to enable new choices that can go forward
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从而找到走向未来的新选择,
14:43
if we can wipe the slate clean.
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前提就是我们能既往不咎。
14:46
Thank you.
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谢谢。
14:48
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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