How forgiveness can create a more just legal system | Martha Minow

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譯者: Hei Yu Chan 審譯者: Helen Chang
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Would you ever forgive a person who kills a member of your family?
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妳會原諒殺害妳家人的人嗎?
00:19
In September of 2019,
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在 2019 年 9 月,
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Dallas police officer Amber Guyger was sentenced for murder,
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達拉斯警員安柏·蓋格被判謀殺罪,
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and then the brother of the victim
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緊接著,受害者的弟弟,
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forgave her.
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寬恕了她。
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Brandt Jean was 18 years old,
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布蘭特·基恩那時才 18 歲。
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and I joined the rest of the country watching on television in awe
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我和全國其他人一起透過電視
見證了這個慈悲的行為 並深感敬佩。
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at that act of grace.
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00:44
But I also worried.
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但我也擔心。
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I worried that people who are African American like Brandt Jean
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我擔心像布蘭特·基恩 這樣的非洲裔美國人
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are expected to forgive more often than other people.
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比其他人更經常被期望要原諒。
00:56
And I worried that a white police officer like Amber Guyger
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我也擔心像安柏·蓋格 這樣的白人警員,
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receives a lesser sentence
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比起犯了同樣不法殺人的其他人
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than other people who commit wrongful killings.
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得到的刑罰會更輕。
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But because I'm a law professor,
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但,因為我是法律教授,
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I also worried about the law itself.
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我也擔心法律本身。
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The law leans so severely towards punishment these days
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目前法律嚴重地傾向於懲罰,
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that it's part of the problem.
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這就是問題的一部分。
01:21
And that's what I want to talk about here.
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這便是我在這想要談的主題。
01:25
The powerful example of one individual's forgiveness
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此人寬恕行為的力證
01:29
makes me worry that lawyers and officials too often overlook the tools
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讓我擔心這會使 律師和官員經常地忽略
法律本身是為了容許寬恕 而創造出來的工具,
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that law itself creates to allow forgiveness,
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01:39
when the principle should be the cornerstone of a thriving society.
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其原則本應是繁榮社會的基石。
01:46
I worry that lawyers and officials do not adequately use the tools of forgiveness,
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我擔心律師和官員 未妥善使用寬恕的工具,
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by which I mean letting go of justified grievance.
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意思是對正當的冤屈鬆手。
01:56
And those tools are many.
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這樣的工具並不少,
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They include pardons, commutations, expungement,
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包括赦免、減刑、塗銷犯罪記錄、
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bankruptcy for debt
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債務破產,
02:05
and the discretion that's held by police and prosecutors and judges.
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以及警方、公訴人及法官的酌情權。
02:11
But I also worry -- I worry a lot --
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但,我也擔心—— 我擔心的事很多——
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
02:14
I worry that these tools, when used, replicate the disparities,
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我擔心使用這些工具時 同樣會造成差別待遇,
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the inequities along the lines of race and class and other markers
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基於種族、階級
和其他各種劃分強勢與弱勢的標記 所產生的不平等。
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of advantage and disadvantage.
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02:27
Biases or privileged access are at work
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當美國總統赦免罪犯時,
02:30
when United States presidents pardon people charged with crimes.
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偏見和特權也在起作用。
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Historically, white people are pardoned four times as often
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歷史記錄顯示白人被赦免的比例 是少數族群的四倍,
02:41
as members of minority groups for the same crime, same sentence.
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指的是在同樣罪行與判刑的情況下。
02:47
Forgiveness between individuals is supported by every religious tradition,
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個人之間的寬恕受到各種宗教傳統,
各種哲學傳統所支持。
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every philosophic tradition.
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And medical evidence now shows
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現在的醫學證據顯示,
02:58
the health benefits of letting go of grievances and resentments.
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放下不滿和仇恨 對我們的健康是有益處的。
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As Nelson Mandela led South Africa's transition
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當納爾遜·曼德拉領導南非
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from apartheid to democracy,
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從種族隔離走向民主時,
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he explained,
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他解釋道:
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"Resentment is like drinking a poison and hoping it will kill your enemies."
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「仇恨就像是自己喝下毒藥 卻希望它能殺死你的敵人。」
03:20
Law can remove the penalties for those who apologize and seek forgiveness.
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法律能夠為願意道歉 並尋求寬恕者免除刑罰。
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For example, in 39 states in the United States
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比如,在美國的 39 個州
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and the District of Columbia,
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以及哥倫比亞特區中,
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there are laws that allow medical professionals to apologize
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有法律允許醫療專業人員
在出問題時道歉,
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when something goes wrong
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03:35
and not fear that that statement could later be used against them
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便不用害怕道歉的內容 會在後續的損害訴訟中
03:40
in an action for damages.
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被用作指控他們的不利證據。
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More actively, bankruptcy law offers debtors, under some conditions,
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更主動的是破產法, 在某些條件下,
03:47
the chance to start anew.
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給予債務人重新開始的機會。
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Pardons and expungements sealing criminal records can, too.
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赦免和塗銷犯罪記錄也能如此。
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I have been teaching law for almost 40 years, hard to believe,
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我教法律近四十年, 雖然很難以置信,
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but recently, I realized
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但我最近意識到
04:04
that we don't teach law students about the tools of forgiveness
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我們沒有把法律制度內的 有關寬恕的工具
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that are within the legal system,
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教給學習法律的學生,
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and nor do law schools usually explore
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法學院通常也不會探索
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the potential for new avenues for forgiveness
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法律可以採用或協助的
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that law can adopt or assist.
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新的寬恕途徑。
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These are lost opportunities.
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這些都是錯失了的機會,
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These are lost obligations, even,
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甚至可說是錯失了的義務,
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because the students that I teach
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因為我教的這些學生
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will become prosecutors, judges, governors, presidents.
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將來會成為檢察官、 法官、州長、總統。
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Barack Obama, my former student,
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巴拉克·歐巴馬以前是我的學生,
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used his power as the President of the United States to give pardons.
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他曾用身為美國總統的權力特赦。
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That released several hundred people from prison after the law changed
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在法律被修改後, 數百人被從監獄釋放出,
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to provide shorter sentences for the same drug crimes
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因為他們當初被定罪的毒品犯罪
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for which they had been convicted.
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相對應的刑期已經被縮短。
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But if he hadn't used his pardon power, they would still be in prison.
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但如果他那時沒有使用他的赦免權, 這些人現在仍會在獄中。
04:58
Legal tools of forgiveness should be used more,
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法律内寬恕的工具 應該更經常被使用,
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but not without reason and not with bias.
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但是必須有理由,必須沒有偏見。
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A "New Yorker" cartoon shows a judge with a big nose and a big mustache
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《紐約客》雜誌有個漫畫, 上面的法官有著大鼻子和大鬍鬚,
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looking down at a defendant with the exact same nose
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他向下看著被告, 被告也長著和他完全相同的鼻子
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and exact same mustache
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和完全相同的鬍鬚,
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and says, "Obviously not guilty."
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然後法官說:「很明顯,無罪。」
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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Forgiveness could undermine the commitment that law has
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寬恕有可能會逐漸動搖 法律自身的承諾:
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to treat people the same under the same circumstances,
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在同樣的境況下 一視同仁地對待人民,
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to apply rules evenly.
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公正的應用法例條文。
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In this age of resentment, mass incarceration,
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在這個充滿仇恨、大量監禁、
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widespread consumer debt,
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消費債務氾濫的時代,
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we need more forgiveness, but we need a philosophy of forgiveness.
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我們需要更多寬恕, 但我們更需要寬恕的哲學。
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We need to forgive fairly.
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我們必須公平地寬恕。
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Contrast the treatment globally of child soldiers
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我們來將全世界童兵所受到的待遇
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with the treatment of juvenile offenders in the United States.
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和美國少年犯罪者 受到的待遇做個比較。
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International human rights condemn and punish adults
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國際人權會譴責並懲罰那些
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who involve children in armed conflict
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讓孩童涉入武裝衝突的成人,
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as those most responsible,
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認為他們最應該為此負責,
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but treat the children themselves quite differently.
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但對待那些孩童則截然不同。
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The International Criminal Court,
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國際刑事法院
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now with 122 member nations,
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目前有 122 個會員國,
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convicted Thomas Lubanga, warlord in the [Democratic Republic of the] Congo,
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該法庭將剛果民主共和國的 軍閥托馬斯·盧班加定罪,
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for enlisting, recruiting and deploying children, teens, as soldiers.
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因為他招募孩童和青少年從軍,
把他們作為戰士部署在戰場上。
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Many nations commit to ensuring that people under the age of 15
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許多國家保證會確保
十五歲以下的青少年不會成為童兵,
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do not become child soldiers,
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and most nations treat those who do become soldiers
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而且大部分國家不會把 那些已經成為童兵的孩子
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not as objects of punishment
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視為懲罰的對象,
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but as people deserving a fresh start.
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而是認為他們理應得到 重新開始的機會。
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Compare and contrast how the United States treats juvenile offenders,
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與之比較,我們可以看到美國 是如何對待少年犯罪者的。
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where we severely punish minors,
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我們會嚴厲懲罰未成年人,
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often moving them to adult courts, even adult prisons.
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經常會把他們送上成人法庭, 甚至送進成人監獄。
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And yet, like child soldiers,
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然而,就像童兵一樣,
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teens and children are drawn into violent activity in the United States
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在美國,青少年和孩童 被捲入暴力活動中
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when there are few options,
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是因為當時他們 沒什麼選擇、受到威脅,
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when they are threatened
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or when adults induce them with money or ideology.
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或是受到成年人 意識形態或金錢的引誘。
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The rhetoric of innocence is resonant when we talk about child soldiers,
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談論童兵時,有關天真無邪的 華麗的辭藻得到所有人的共鳴,
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but not when we talk about teen gang members in the United States.
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但談論美國青少年 幫派成員時卻不是這樣。
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Yet in both settings, youth are caught in worlds that are made by adults,
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但在這兩種情境中,年輕人 都是被困在了成人製造的世界中,
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and forgiveness can offer both accountability and fresh starts.
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而寬恕能讓他們 擔起責任,重新開始。
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What if, instead, young people caught in criminal activity and violence
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如果換個方式,被逮到從事 犯罪活動和暴力行為的年輕人
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could have chances to accept responsibility
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能有機會在邊學習邊重建 自己的生活與社區的過程中
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while learning and rebuilding their lives and their own communities?
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去學習承擔責任,那會怎麼樣呢?
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Legal frameworks inviting youth to describe their conduct
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在法律框架內邀請 這些年輕人描述其行為,
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could also involve community members to hear and forgive.
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也可涉及社區成員的傾聽和原諒他們。
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Called "restorative justice,"
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這些被稱為「恢復司法行為」的措施
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such efforts emphasize accountability and service
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更強調責任和服務
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rather than punishment.
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而非懲罰。
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Many schools in the United States have turned to use restorative justice methods
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美國許多的學校已經開始 推行恢復司法的方法
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to resolve conflicts and to prevent them,
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來解決矛盾和防止衝突,
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and to disrupt the school-to-prison pipeline.
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從而瓦解從學校到監獄 這個發展路徑。
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Some American high schools have replaced automatic suspensions
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一些美國高中已經 取消了自動停學的措施,
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with opportunities for victims to narrate their experiences
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取而代之的是讓受害者 有機會講述他們的經歷,
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and for offenders to take responsibility for their actions.
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也提供機會讓加害者 為他們的行為負責。
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As they describe their experiences and feelings about a theft
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當他們在表述他們的 各種經歷和感覺時,
像是偷竊、仇恨的塗鴉、 言語或身體的暴力,
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or hateful graffiti or a verbal or physical assault,
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the victims and offenders often express strong emotions.
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受害者和加害者經常很激動。
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And other members of the community take turns
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接著由其他的社區成員輪流
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describing the impact of the offense on them.
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來表述這些罪行對他們產生的影響。
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The leader is often a student peer, who is trained to deescalate the conflict
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這種聚會的帶領者 通常是同齡的學生同儕,
他們受過訓練,知道怎樣緩和衝突,
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and orchestrate a conversation about what the offender can do
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並且精心協調安排
加害者能夠做些什麼 來幫助受害者的對話。
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that would help the victim.
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Together, they come to an agreement about how to move forward,
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他們達成共識
未來要如何向前,
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what the wrongdoer can do to repair the injury
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犯錯的人如何彌補傷害,
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and what all could do to better avoid future conflicts.
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大家如何避免未來的衝突。
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Consider this example, recently in a publication.
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再來思考最近在出版物中 出現的這個例子,
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A young woman named Mercedes M. transferred, in California,
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一位新轉來入學,名叫 梅賽德斯·M 的年輕女子,
她在加州的中學多次轉學,
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from one high school to another
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after she was so repeatedly suspended in her old high school
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由於在原來的高中多次打架 因此被多次停學,
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for getting into fights.
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最後,她只能轉校。
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And here in her new high school,
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就在她就讀的新的高中,
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two other young women accused her of lying
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另外兩名女生指責她撒謊,
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and called her the b-word.
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並用髒話罵她。
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A counselor came over and talked to her and earned enough trust
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一個顧問與她對談, 贏得她足夠的信任
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that she acknowledged she had stolen the shoes of one of the other classmates.
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結果她承認她偷了 其中一個同學的鞋子。
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Turns out, the three of them had known each other for a long time,
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事情其實是這樣: 她們三個彼此相識很久了,
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and they didn't know any other way to deal with each other
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但是除了打架之外,
她們不知道如何與對方相處。
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other than to fight.
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09:52
The facilitator invited them to participate in a circle,
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於是協調人邀請她們參加一個聚會,
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a confidential conversation about what happened,
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是個討論事情真相的秘密談話聚會。
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and they agreed.
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她們同意了。
10:01
And initially, each of them expressed a lot of emotion.
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一開始她們每個人都表現得很激動,
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And then Mercedes apologized.
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然後梅賽德斯道歉了,
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And she said she had stolen the shoes,
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她承認鞋子是她偷的,
10:13
but she did so because she wanted to sell them
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因為她想賣掉它們
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and take the money to pay for a drug test
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然後把錢用來給媽媽 做藥檢的費用。
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so that her mother could show she was clean
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因為她的媽媽需要 證明她自己是清白的,
10:24
and try to regain custody of two younger children
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才有可能重新獲得兩個 年幼孩子的監護權,
10:27
who were then in state protective care.
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而這兩個孩子正在接受 國家的保護性照顧。
10:32
The other girls heard this,
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另外兩個女孩聽到了這些話後,
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saw Mercedes crying
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看著哭泣的梅賽德斯
10:36
and they hugged her.
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然後她們擁抱了她。
10:38
They did not ask her to return what she'd stolen,
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她們沒有叫她歸還她所偷的東西,
10:41
but they did say they wanted a restart.
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而是表示希望有個新的開始,
10:44
They wanted a reason they could trust her.
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以及能夠相信她的理由。
10:46
Later, Mercedes explained
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後來,梅賽德斯說, 回過頭來想想,
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that she was sure she would have been suspended
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如果沒有這次的交流,
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if they hadn't had this process.
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她肯定會被停學。
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And her high school has reduced suspensions by more than half
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她所在的高中通過這種 恢復性司法方案的運用,
10:56
through the use of this kind of restorative justice method.
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已經將停學人數減少過半。
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Restorative justice alternatives involve offenders and victims
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恢復性司法這個選項 使得加害者和受害者
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in communicating in ways
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要進行多種方式的溝通,
11:06
that an adversarial and defensive process does not allow,
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而這些溝通在進入法律的訴訟 和辯護的程式後是不被允許的。
11:10
and it's become the go-to method
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這在一些地方正成為首選的方法,
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in places like the District of Columbia juvenile justice system
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比如在哥倫比亞特區的 青少年司法系統
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and innovations like Los Angeles's Teen Court.
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和在洛杉磯法院的創新實踐當中。
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If tuned to fairness,
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如果解決的途徑趨向於更加公平,
11:24
forgiveness methods like bankruptcy would be available
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寬恕的方法比如破產法,
11:28
not only for the for-profit college that goes belly-up
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不只是可以適用於走向破產的 盈利型私立大學,
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but also for the students stuck with the loans;
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也可以適用於那些因貸款 陷入困境的學生;
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pardons would not be given to campaign contributors;
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赦免令不再適用於競選活動捐款人,
11:39
and black men would no longer have 20 percent longer criminal sentences
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黑人的刑期比白人長 20% 的現象
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than do white men,
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也不會再發生,
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due to how judges exercise discretion.
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那是由於以前法官 行使自由裁量權所造成的。
11:50
Forgiveness across the board is one way to avoid such biases.
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全面的寬恕是避免 這些偏見的一種方式。
11:56
Sometimes, a society just needs a reset
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有時涉及到懲罰和債務的社會
12:00
when it comes to punishment and debt.
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只需重啟就夠了。
12:03
The Bible calls for periodic forgiveness of debts
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聖經要求定期免除債務
12:08
and freeing prisoners,
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和釋放囚犯。
12:10
and it recently helped to inspire a global movement.
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最近這啓發了一場全球性的運動——
12:14
Jubilee 2000 joined Pope John Paul II
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千禧年 2000——
參與的有教皇約翰·保羅二世, 搖滾樂巨星博諾,
12:19
and rock star Bono and over 60 nations
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和 60 多個國家,
12:21
in an effort to seek the cancellation and succeed in canceling
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共同致力於尋求 取消發展中國家的債務,
12:26
the debt of developing countries,
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而且他們成功了。
12:29
amounting to over 100 billion dollars
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最終總計超過 千億美元的債務被取消了,
12:32
of debt canceled,
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12:35
resulting in measurable reduction in poverty.
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使得世界上貧困人口數量顯著減少。
12:40
In a similar spirit, there are people who are copying the techniques
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本著相同的理念,
有人複製商業債券購買者的操作手法,
12:44
of commercial debt collectors
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12:45
who purchase debt for pennies on the dollar
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那手法是先購入一本萬利債券,
12:48
and then seek to enforce it.
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然後強制執行來獲利。
12:51
Late-night television host John Oliver partnered with a nonprofit group
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深夜電視節目主持人約翰·奧利弗
和一個叫 RIP 醫療債務的 非營利組織合作,
12:55
called RIP Medical Debt,
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12:59
and for only 60,000 dollars,
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他們只花了6 萬美元,
13:02
they purchased 15 million dollars' worth of medical debt,
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購買了價值 1500 萬 美元的醫療債務,
13:07
and then they forgave it.
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接著他們免除了這些債務。
13:10
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
13:16
That allowed nearly 9,000 people to have a restart in their lives.
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這讓將近 9 千人重獲新生。
13:22
This kind of precedent should trigger and encourage more such actions.
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這種先例應該引起和激發 更多類似的行動。
13:27
It's time for a reset,
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到了歸零重啓的時候了。
13:29
given mass incarceration,
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考慮大量的監禁、
13:31
medical and consumer debt
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醫療和消費者的債務,
13:33
and given indigent criminal defendants
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還有被起訴而負債的貧窮的被告,
13:36
who are charged and put in debt
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13:38
because they're expected to pay for their own probation officers
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因為他們得要自己付緩刑款
13:42
and their own electronic monitors.
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和電子監控器的費用。
13:46
Forgiving violations of law
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寬恕這些違法行為
13:48
or promises to pay back loans
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或者讓他們承諾會償還貸款
13:51
does pose risks.
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確實會構成風險。
13:53
Forgiveness may encourage more violations.
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寬恕可能會鼓勵更多的違法行為,
13:55
Economists even have a name for it.
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經濟學家甚至給它起了個名字,
13:58
They call it "moral hazard."
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他們稱之為「道德風險」。
14:01
Should there be amnesty for immigration violations?
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應該特赦違反移民法規定的行為嗎?
14:05
Should a president offer pardons to protect himself
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總統應該赦免 以保護自己或引起違法嗎?
14:08
or to induce lawbreaking?
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14:11
These are tough questions for our time.
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這些都是我們這個時代的難題。
14:14
But escalating resentments hold their own dangers.
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但不斷升高的怨恨 也有其自身的危險性,
14:18
So does attributing blame to individuals
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把責任歸咎於個人亦然,
14:22
for circumstances largely outside their own control.
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因為很大程度上 情況已超出他們的控制範圍了。
14:26
To ask how law may forgive is not to deny the fact of wrongdoing.
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尋求法律上能否寬恕 並不是要否認犯錯的事實,
14:33
Rather, it's to widen the lens
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反而是為了拓寬視野,
14:36
to enable glimpses of the larger patterns
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以讓我們能夠找到 更多更廣的問題解決方式,
14:39
and to enable new choices that can go forward
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讓新方式能夠繼續向前發展的
14:43
if we can wipe the slate clean.
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前提就是既往不咎。
14:46
Thank you.
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謝謝大家。
14:48
(Applause)
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