Jim Chuchu: Why are stolen African artifacts still in Western museums? | TED
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翻译人员: chuuy Chen
校对人员: suya f.
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If you live in New York or London
or some other so-called cultural capital,
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如果你住在纽约、伦敦
或者其他所谓的文化之都
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it’s likely that you visited an art museum
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那你很有可能去过
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that features
a collection of African art.
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以非洲艺术藏品为特色的博物馆
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These collections usually consist
of masks and sculptures,
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这些藏品通常有面具、雕塑
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but also include weapons
and ceremonial dress,
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也包括武器、节日服饰
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cutlery, jewelry, and even toys.
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刀、珠宝、玩具。
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These objects are markers
of traditions and cultural beliefs,
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这些物品不仅是传统和文化信仰的标志
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but also of adaptation and ingenuity,
science and spirituality.
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也是人类的适应性与独创性,
科学与精神的标志
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Cultural objects are the way
that human beings say, “We were here.”
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文物是人类表达“我们存在过”的方式
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Have you ever wondered how
these African objects ended up in museums?
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你是否想过为什么这些
非洲文物会出现在博物馆里?
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Some were bought by traders and tourists,
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有些是商人和旅行者购入的
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some gifts exchanged
in acts of friendship
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有的是展示友谊而交换的礼物
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and some were excavated
in archaeological digs.
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还有的是考古现场挖掘出来的
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But then there are many others
that were looted during raids,
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但是还有很多的文物是被抢劫掠夺,
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confiscated by colonial forces
and stolen at gunpoint.
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被殖民者没收,在枪口下被偷走的。
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I’m an artist and I tell
stories for a living.
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我是一个艺术家,以讲故事为生。
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To tell stories you need
imagination and memory.
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讲故事需要想象和记忆。
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And in Kenya, we have a gap in our memory.
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在肯尼亚,我们的记忆里有一个缺口。
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So much of what happened
in between the late 1800s
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从19世纪末期到 1963 年肯尼亚取得独立,
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until our independence
in 1963 is missing
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期间发生的许多事都被人遗忘了。
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because too many of the objects that tell
the stories from that period are gone.
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因为能讲诉这段时期故事
的很多东西都遗失了。
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According to a 2018 report
on African cultural heritage,
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2018年发布的一份关于
非洲文化遗产的报告表示,
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90 percent of sub-Saharan Africa’s
material cultural legacy
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90%的撒哈拉沙漠以
南非洲国家的物质文化遗产
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is housed outside the African continent.
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都没有留存在非洲大陆。
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What does it mean for a society
to lose so many objects?
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这对一个丢失了这么多文物
的社会来说意味着什么呢?
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It means that we forget our religions
and our spiritual practices.
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这意味着我们忘记
我们的宗教信仰和精神修行。
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It means that we forget the names
of our kingdoms and heroes.
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这意味着我们忘记
我们过去的国家和英雄的名字。
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It means that we forget our music,
our crafts and our languages.
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这意味着我们忘记
我们的音乐、技艺和语言。
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We forget our stories.
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我们忘记我们的故事。
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And as a result,
we adopt other people’s religions
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最终,我们以他人的信仰为信仰,
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称自己的信仰为巫术。
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We start to eat burgers and pasta
and look down on our indigenous foods
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我们开始吃汉堡和意面,
看轻我们的传统饮食,
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and our children
begin to believe in their hearts
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我们的后代开始打心底相信
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that other societies
have richer cultures.
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其他社会拥有更丰富的文化。
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Where do you begin
to fix something like this?
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你要从哪里开始修补如此破碎的社会呢?
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One place to start is to find out exactly
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这个工作的一个起点是
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which objects are missing
and where they are.
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找出哪些物品遗失了并找到它们在哪儿。
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In 2018, as a member
of The Nest Collective
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2018年,作为“巢组织“的成员,
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and together the coalition
of Kenyan and European museums,
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通过与肯尼亚以及欧洲的博物馆、
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artists and researchers,
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艺术家、研究员合作。
我们共同创立了“国际清单计划”,
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we co-founded the International
Inventories Programme,
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which began creating a database
of Kenyan cultural objects
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该项目开始创建流落在外国的
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that are held outside our country.
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肯尼亚文物数据库
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We called and e-mailed
museums across North America and Europe,
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我们向北美和欧洲博物馆
致电、发送邮件,
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asking them if they had any Kenyan
cultural objects in their collections.
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询问它们的藏品中是否有肯尼亚文物。
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We hosted public debates
about object restitution
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我们举办了以文物归
还为主题的公开辩论,
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and created exhibitions to bring
the debate into the public sphere.
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开办了相关展览,
把这场辩论带到公众视野中。
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And that was the easy part.
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这是我们工作中容易的那部分。
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The more difficult part for us Kenyans
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更加困难的部分,是我们作为肯尼亚人
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was having to read through the most
troubling historical texts and records
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阅读那些让我们痛苦的历史文本和记录
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from a time in history
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它们来自一个特殊的历史时期,
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when Africans were
on the receiving end of colonial force,
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那时的非洲是殖民统治、
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暴力和歧视的对象。
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Those texts are still difficult
to read even today.
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即使在现在,阅读那些
文本还是会让人痛苦。
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In two years, we collected data
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在两年内,我们收集了
超过 32000 件
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on more than 32,000 objects
held by these institutions,
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北美、欧洲博物馆馆藏文物的数据,
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and that might seem like a huge number,
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这看起来似乎是很大的一个数字,
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but there are many other institutions
that haven’t yet replied to our requests.
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但是还有很多博物馆
并没有回复我们的请求。
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And that’s just Kenya.
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这仅是肯尼亚的现状。
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They are 46 other countries
in sub-Saharan Africa
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在撒哈拉以南的非洲,
还有 46 个国家的文物
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that have experienced
a similar extraction of objects.
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也流落在外。
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Our next step is to publish
this database online,
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下一步,我们将在线上发布数据库。
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so the data is accessible
to community leaders
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不管是积极督促丢失
圣物回归的社区领导者,
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who have been campaigning
for the return of sacred objects,
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还是想要弄明白我们遗失了什么,以及
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but also for every teacher,
researcher and citizen
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我们遗失的东西在哪儿
的教师、研究员、民众,
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who wants to find out
what we are missing
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都可以查看这些数据
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and where it can be found.
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We are not the only
initiative of our kind.
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我们并不是唯一一群寻找丢失文物的人。
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Across Africa and Asia,
there are other projects
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在非洲和亚洲,还有很多项目
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asking similar questions
about their cultural heritage.
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都在对本国的文化遗产提出相同的问题。
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Our hope is that we can provoke
institutions in North America and Europe
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我们希望我们的行动
可以让北美和欧洲的博物馆
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to rethink the morality
of their collections.
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重新思考它们拥有的藏品的道德性。
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We are asking them to account
for the violent histories
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我们要求这些博物馆为
部分文物附上真实的介绍,
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of some of the objects
in their collections
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说明它们身上所承载的暴力历史。
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by labeling their collections
more truthfully.
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We are asking them to return objects
that were improperly acquired
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我们要求这些博物馆把通过
不正当手段取得的文物
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back to the communities that need them.
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还给需要它们的社群。
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We are asking them
to trust African museums
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我们要求这些博物馆相信非洲的博物馆
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to store objects on behalf
of the people of Africa.
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可以代表非洲人民保存这些文物。
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There can be no collective identity
without collective memory.
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没有集体记忆,就没有集体身份。
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So we are asking for our objects
to help us remember who we are.
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因此,我们需要我们的文物
来帮我们记住我们是谁。
谢谢。
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Thank you.
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