A path to security for the world's deadliest countries | Rachel Kleinfeld

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翻译人员: Ruolan Ma 校对人员: Yizhuo He
00:13
Picture your dream vacation.
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想象一个你梦想中的假期。
00:16
Maybe you're dying to go to Rio for Carnival.
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也许你十分想去里约的狂欢节,
00:19
Or you really just want to hang out on a Mexican beach.
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或者只想在墨西哥的沙滩上闲逛,
00:23
Or maybe you're going to join me in New Orleans for Jazz Fest.
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又或者跟我一起去 新奥尔良的爵士音乐节。
00:28
Now, I know it's less pleasant,
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现在,想象一些
00:31
but picture, for a moment,
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不那么令人开心的画面,
00:32
one of the most violent places on earth.
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一个世界上最暴力丛生的地方。
00:37
Did anyone think of the same place?
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大家和我想的是同一个地方吗?
00:41
Brazil is the most violent country in the world today.
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巴西是如今世上最动乱的国家之一。
00:43
More people have been dying there over the last three years
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过去三年里丧命于此的人
00:46
than in Syria.
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比在叙利亚的还多。
00:48
And in Mexico, more people have died over the last 15 years
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而在墨西哥, 过去十五年里死亡的人
00:52
than in Iraq or Afghanistan.
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比在伊拉克或阿富汗的还要多。
00:55
In New Orleans, more people per capita are dying
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在新奥尔良,人均死亡率
00:59
than in war-torn Somalia.
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高于战火不断的索马里。
01:02
The fact is, war only results
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事实上,死于战争的人数
01:06
in about 18 percent of violent deaths worldwide.
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只占全世界因暴力死亡的 18%。
01:10
Today, you are more likely to die violently
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如今,如果你生活在 拥有高程度收入不平等
01:13
if you live in a middle-income democracy
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与严重政治极端化的
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with high levels of income inequality
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中等收入民主国家,
01:19
and serious political polarization.
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你更可能死于暴力而不是战争。
01:23
The United States has four of the 50 most violent cities on earth.
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全世界暴力活动最频繁的 五十个城市中,有四个在美国。
01:28
Now, this is a fundamental alteration in the nature of violence, historically.
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从历史层面来讲, 暴力的性质发生了根本变化。
01:33
But it's also an opportunity.
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但这也为我们提供了一种机遇。
01:35
Because while few people can do much to end war,
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因为很少有人 能做些什么来终止战争,
01:39
violence in our democracies is our problem.
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民主社会中的暴力 就是我们面临的问题。
01:43
And while regular voters are a big part of that problem,
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即使选民占这个问题中 很大的一部分,
01:47
we're also key to the solution.
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我们仍是解决问题的关键。
01:50
Now, I work at a think tank,
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现在我就职于一个智库——
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the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,
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卡内基国际和平基金会,
01:53
where I advise governments on what to do about violence,
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在这里,我为政府提供 对抗暴力的相关建议。
01:56
but the dirty secret is,
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但一个难以启齿的秘密是,
01:58
most policymakers haven't figured out these changes to violence today.
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大多数决策人还未意识到 如今暴力所发生的改变。
02:02
They still believe that the worst violence happens in countries at war
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他们仍然相信 最严重的暴力发生在战乱国家
02:06
or places that are too poor, too weak,
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或者处于极端贫穷,弱势,
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to fight violence and control crime.
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以至于不能战胜暴力 和控制犯罪的地方。
02:11
And that had been my assumption too.
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这些也曾是我的猜想。
02:14
But if you look at a map of the most violent places on earth,
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但如果你看看世界上 那些最暴力的地方,
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you see something strange.
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你会发现很多疑点。
02:20
Some of them are at war,
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他们有些处于战争中,
02:22
and a few are truly failed states.
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有些是真正衰落的国家。
02:25
The violence in these places is horrific,
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暴力在这些地方十分令人恐惧,
02:27
but they happen to have small populations,
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但是这些地区的总人口也少,
02:30
so it actually affects few people.
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所以只会影响少数的人。
02:32
Then there's South Africa, Brazil, Venezuela.
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接着是南非、巴西、委内瑞拉。
02:35
These places are not poor.
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这些地方并不贫穷,
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Maybe they're weak.
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也许只是国力较弱。
02:39
My research assistant and I mapped places
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我和我的实验助手 根据是否能成功
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based on how well they delivered on World Bank projects
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履行世界银行项目,
02:45
and whether they could get public services to their people,
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和能否给公民提供公共服务 列出了一些地区。
02:48
and if you did well on both of those,
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如果在这两方面都做得很好,
02:50
if you could get sanitation and electricity to your people
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如果能给公民提供卫生和电力、
02:54
and deliver vaccines,
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疫苗接种,
02:55
you were in the upper right-hand quadrant.
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你将被列于右上方的区域里。
02:57
And then we overlaid that
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然后我们用一幅
02:59
with a map of places where journalists were being murdered.
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标记了记者被杀害地点的地图将其覆盖。
03:02
Some were happening in weak states,
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有些命案发生在脆弱的国家,
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but an awful lot of journalists were being killed
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但极多的记者在那些
03:07
in places plenty capable of protecting them.
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有足够能力保护他们的地方遇害。
03:10
I traveled to every settled continent on earth,
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我去过世界上每一个安定的大陆,
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comparing places that had faced massive violence and recovered
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比较过那些经历过战乱并恢复的
03:17
and those that hadn't,
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和还未经历过战乱的地区,
03:19
and I kept seeing the same pattern.
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并从中发现了一种规律。
03:21
I came to call it "privilege violence,"
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我称它为“特权暴力”,
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because it happened in highly unequal democracies,
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因为它发生于有少部分人
03:27
where a small group of people
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想要掌握无节制的权力的
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wanted to hold on to inordinate power and privilege.
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极度不平等的民主国家。
03:32
And if they didn't think they could get those policies past the voters,
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如果他们觉得 这些政策不能被选民认同,
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sometimes they would turn to violent groups for help.
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那他们有时可能就会 寻求暴力分子的帮助。
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Drug cartels would finance their campaigns.
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贩毒集团会资助他们的竞选。
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Organized criminals would help them get out the vote.
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有组织的犯罪分子 能帮助他们获得投票。
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Gangs would suppress the vote.
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帮派能压制投票。
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And in exchange, they'd be given free reign,
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他们还以随意作乱的权力作为交换,
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and violence would grow.
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暴力因此而滋长。
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Take Venezuela.
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以委内瑞拉为例,
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It's the most violent country in the world today,
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如果以人均死亡率为标准,
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if you look at deaths per capita.
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这里就是世界上最动荡的国家。
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Twenty years ago, the current regime gained power in legitimate elections,
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二十年前,当今政权 从正当选举中获得权力,
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but they didn't want to risk losing it,
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但他们不想冒失去权力的风险。
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and so they turned to gangs, called "colectivos," for help.
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于是他们向一个叫“集体党”的帮派求助。
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The gangs were told to get out the vote for the government
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这个帮派被指派去搞定政府的投票,
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and force people to vote for the regime in some neighborhoods
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并强迫一些地区的选民给此政权投票,
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and keep opposition voters away from the polls in others,
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并迫使反对派的选民无法参与投票。
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and, in exchange, they'd be given control.
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作为交换,他们将拥有控制权。
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But if criminals have control,
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而一旦罪犯拥有控制权,
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then police and courts can't do their jobs.
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警察和法庭就无法履行职责。
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So the second stage in privilege violence
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所以特权暴力的第二阶段
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is that courts and police are weakened,
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就是法庭和警察的权力被削弱,
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and politicians politicize budgets,
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政客使财政预算政治化,
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hiring, firing,
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随意雇佣和开除某些人,
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so that they and the violent groups that they collude with stay out of jail.
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这样他们和与之勾结的暴力组织 就能免受牢狱之灾。
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Now, pretty soon, good cops leave,
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于是很快,好的警察都离开了,
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and many that remain become brutal.
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剩下的警察很多都变得冷酷。
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They start off, usually, with rough justice.
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一开始,他们大多都秉行绝对的正义,
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They kill a drug dealer that they think would be let off by the corrupt courts.
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支持处死那些很可能 会被腐败法庭宽恕的毒贩。
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But over time, the worst of them realize that there will be no repercussions
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但渐渐地,他们中最坏的那部分人 意识到,这样做并不会
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from the politicians they're in bed with,
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让他们从与他们同谋的政客 那里得到回报,
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and they go into business for themselves.
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所以他们开始为自己谋利。
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In Venezuela, nearly one in three murders is by the security services.
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在委内瑞拉,几乎三分之一的凶杀案 都发生在安保服务业。
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Now, the poor are hit hardest by violence all over the world,
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世界各地的贫穷群体 受暴力影响最深,
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but they're hardly going to turn to such predatory cops for help.
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但他们几乎从不向这些 欺凌弱小的警察寻求帮助。
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So they tend to form vigilante groups.
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所以他们往往组成义务警团。
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But arm a bunch of 18-year-old boys,
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但让一群十八岁男孩武装起来,
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and pretty soon, they devolve into gangs over time.
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很快他们就会被移交给帮派。
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Other gangs come in, mafias come in,
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随后更多的帮派和黑手党加入进来,
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and they offer to protect people from the other criminals
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他们提出能保护人们免受罪犯
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and from the police.
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和警察的伤害。
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Unlike the state,
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与国家政府不同,
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the criminals often try to buy legitimacy.
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罪犯通常通过收买取得其正当性。
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They give charity. They solve disputes.
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他们做慈善,解决争端。
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Sometimes, they even build subsidized housing.
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有时甚至修建补助房。
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The last stage of privilege violence happens when regular people
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特权暴力的最后一个阶段是,
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start committing a significant portion of the murder.
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普通民众也开始 实施相当一部分的谋杀。
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Bar fights and neighborhood arguments turn deadly
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酒吧斗殴和邻里间的争执变得致命,
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when violence has become normal
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同时暴力成为一种正常现象,
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and repercussions have evaporated.
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也不再有对这些事件的处置。
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To outsiders, the culture looks depraved,
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在外人看来, 这种文化是堕落的,
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as if something is deeply wrong with those people.
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好像这些人的本性坏到了极点。
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But any country can become this violent
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但如果当地政府玩忽职守,恃强凌弱,
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when the government is, by turns, absent and predatory.
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每个国家都可能变得这样暴力。
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Actually, that's not quite true --
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其实这样说也不完全正确——
达到这种程度的 暴力统治还需要一步。
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it takes one more step for this level of violence to reign.
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It takes mainstream society
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还需要主流社会
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to ignore the problem.
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忽视这个问题。
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You'd think that would be impossible,
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你会觉得这是不可能的,
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that violence at this level would be unbearable,
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这种程度的暴力是无法忍受的,
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but it's actually quite bearable to people like you and me.
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但其实像你我这样的人 对这类事件的忍受度是很高的。
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That's because, in every society in the world,
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因为世界上的每一个社会,
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even the most violent,
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即使是最暴力的那些,
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violence is highly concentrated.
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当地的暴力活动也都是高度集中的。
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It happens to people on the wrong side of town,
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它发生于生活在 城市衰败那一边的人们中间,
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people who are poor, often darker,
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这些人很贫穷, 通常为有色人种。
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often from groups that are marginalized,
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通常来自被边缘化的群体,
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groups that mainstream society can separate ourselves from.
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属于那些主流社会与之区分的群体。
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Violence is so concentrated
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暴力是如此集中,
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that we're shocked when the pattern deviates.
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以至于当形势偏离常规时, 我们会感到惊讶。
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In Washington, DC, in 2001,
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2001 年, 在华盛顿哥伦比亚特区,
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a young white college-educated intern
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一名大学毕业的白人实习生
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went missing after a hike in Northwest DC,
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在前往华盛顿西北部徒步后失踪。
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and her case was in the papers nearly every day.
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关于她的案件的报道 几乎每天都出现在报纸上。
07:20
On the other side of town,
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同一年,在城市的另一边,
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a black man had been killed every other day that year.
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每隔一天就有一名黑人被杀害。
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Most of those cases never made the papers even once.
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大多数这样的案件 却从来没有上过报纸。
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Middle class society buys their way out of violence.
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中产阶级靠钱来远离暴力。
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We live in better neighborhoods.
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比如住在更好的社区,
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Some people buy private security.
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有些人还付钱请安保。
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And we also tell ourselves a story.
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我们还告诉自己,
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We tell ourselves that most of the people who are killed
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大多数被杀害的人
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are probably involved in crime themselves.
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可能自己就参与了犯罪。
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By believing that somehow some people deserve to be murdered,
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我们相信有些人就是活该被杀害,
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otherwise good people allow ourselves to live
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而好人允许自己生活在
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in places where life chances are so deeply skewed.
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一个完全不同的环境中。
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We allow ourselves.
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我们允许自己这样做。
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Because, after all, what else can you do?
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因为,毕竟, 除此之外你还能做什么?
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Well, it turns out, quite a lot.
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事实上,能做的还有很多。
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Because violence today is not largely the result of war
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因为当今的暴力大多数不是源于战争,
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but is because of rotten politics in our democracies,
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而是民主制度下的腐败政治,
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regular voters are the greatest force for change.
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常规选民是制造改变的主力军。
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Consider the transformation of Bogotá.
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回想波哥大(哥伦比亚首都)的转变。
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In 1994, Colombia's incoming president
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1994 年,哥伦比亚即将上任的总统
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was caught taking millions of dollars in campaign contributions
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遭到揭发:其选举筹款中
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from the Cali drug cartel,
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有数百万美元是来自卡利贩毒集团,
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and the capital was overrun with gangs and paramilitary groups.
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首都被帮派和非法军事组织占领。
08:38
But fed-up voters overcame really rabid partisanship,
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但忍无可忍的选民们 战胜了狂暴的党派,
08:43
and they delivered nearly two-thirds of the vote
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并把三分之二的选票投给了
08:46
to an independent candidate,
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一个独立的参选者,
08:48
enough to really overcome business as usual.
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这足够让问题得到解决了。
08:51
On Mayor Mockus's first day in office,
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市长莫茨库斯上任的第一天,
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the police barely bothered to even brief him on homicide,
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警察甚至都不想 向他简要汇报凶杀案情况,
08:57
and when he asked why, they just shrugged and said,
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他问警察为什么, 他们只是耸耸肩说,
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"It's just criminals killing criminals."
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“不过就是罪犯互相残杀罢了。”
09:03
The corrupt city council
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腐败的市政府
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wanted to give police even more impunity for brutality.
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想给警察更多 实施暴行,免受刑罚的权力。
09:09
It's a really common tactic that's used worldwide
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这是一种在世界上广为使用的策略——
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when politicians want to posture as tough on crime
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政客只想要做出严惩罪犯的样子,
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but don't actually want to change the status quo.
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但其实并不想改变现状。
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And research shows it backfires all over the world.
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调查显示,这在全世界 都产生了适得其反的效果。
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If you throw a lot of low-level offenders into jails,
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如果你把很多的轻罪罪犯关进
09:24
usually already overcrowded jails,
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通常已经人满为患的监狱,
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they learn from each other and they harden.
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他们会互相学习并且变本加厉,
09:30
They start to control the prisons, and from there, the streets.
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他们从掌控监狱开始, 进而掌控街道。
09:34
Instead, Mockus insisted that police begin investigating every death.
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相反,莫茨库斯坚持要求警察 开始详细调查每一宗死亡案件。
09:40
He fought the right-wing city council,
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他与右翼市政府相抗争,
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and he abandoned SWAT-style police tactics.
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并放弃了使用特警队的策略。
09:45
And he fought the left-wing unions
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他还与左翼联盟抗争,
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and fired thousands of predatory cops.
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解雇了数千名欺凌弱小的警察。
09:50
Honest police were finally free to do their jobs.
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正直的警察终于可以自由履行职责。
09:55
Mockus then challenged citizens.
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随后莫茨库斯挑战其公民。
09:56
He asked the middle class to stop opting out of their city,
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他要求中产阶级停止搬离城市,
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to follow traffic laws
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遵守交通规则,
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and otherwise behave as if they shared the same community of fate.
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要表现得像是他们在共同承担 这座城市的命运一样。
10:06
He asked the poor to uphold social norms against violence,
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他要求穷人在 人身安全受到巨大威胁时,
10:09
often at immense personal risk.
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坚持履行社会规范,反对暴力。
10:12
And he asked the wealthy to give 10 percent more in taxes, voluntarily.
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他要求富人 自愿多缴纳百分之十的税。
10:17
Sixty-three thousand people did.
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六万三千人这么做了。
10:20
And at the end of the decade that spanned Mayor Mockus's two terms in office,
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在莫茨库斯长达十年的 两个任期的末尾,
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homicide in Bogotá was down 70 percent.
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波哥大的凶杀案减少了百分之七十。
10:27
Audience: Whoo!
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观众:喔!
10:28
(Applause)
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(掌声)
10:33
People in places with the most violence,
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生活在最暴力地区的人们,
10:36
whether it's Colombia or the United States,
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不管是在哥伦比亚还是美国,
10:39
can make the biggest difference.
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都可以创造巨大的改变。
10:41
The most important thing we can do is abandon the notion
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我们能做的最重要的事情, 就是放弃这样的观念:
10:44
that some lives are just worth less than others,
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有些生命的价值 就是不如其他的生命,
10:48
that someone deserves to be raped or murdered,
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有些人活该被强奸或杀害,
10:50
because after all, they did something,
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因为毕竟,他们做了某些事情——
10:52
they stole or they did something to land themselves in prison
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偷窃或是其他事情—— 让他们进了监狱,
10:56
where that kind of thing happens.
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他们罪有应得。
10:58
This devaluing of human life,
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这种对人性的蔑视,
11:01
a devaluing we barely admit even to ourselves,
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一种连我们自己 都不太会承认的蔑视,
11:05
is what allows the whole downward spiral to begin.
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正是这种恶性循环产生的原因。
11:08
It's what allows a bullet shot in a gang war in Rio
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正是它,让里约帮派战争中的
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to lodge in the head of a two-year-old girl
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子弹深嵌在了 正在附近的攀玩架上玩耍的
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climbing on a jungle gym nearby.
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两岁小姑娘的头颅里。
11:18
And it's what allows a SWAT team hunting for a meth dealer in Georgia
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正是它,让在佐治亚 追踪着冰毒贩卖者的特警
11:23
to throw a flash bang grenade into the crib of a little boy,
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把闪光弹扔进了 一个小男孩的摇篮里,
11:29
exploding near his face and maiming him for life.
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炸弹在他的脸旁边爆炸, 造成了他的终生残疾。
11:33
The fact is, most violence everywhere
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事实上,大多数暴力
11:35
happens to people on the wrong side of town
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在错误的时间,发生在
11:37
at the wrong time,
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生活于城市衰败一侧的人们身上,
11:39
and some of those people are from communities
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他们当中有些人
11:41
that we consider quite different.
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来自我们认为和我们不同的群体。
11:43
Some of them are people who have done horrible things.
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有些人做过可怕的事。
11:48
But reducing violence begins with privileging every human life,
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但减少暴力应该从 珍视每个人的生命开始,
11:53
both because it's right
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不仅因为这是正确的,
11:55
and because only by prizing each life as worthy of at least due process,
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也因为只有当我们能 至少按正当程序珍视每个人的生命,
12:00
can we create societies in which the lives of innocents are safe.
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我们才能创造出让每个无辜生命 都安然无恙的社会。
12:07
Second, recognize that today,
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其次,我们要认识到,
12:09
inequality within our countries
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如今,国家内部的不平等
12:12
is a vastly greater cause of violence than war between countries.
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是超越国家间战争的主要暴力来源。
12:16
Now, inequality leads to violence for a whole host of reasons,
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不平等造成暴力的原因有很多,
12:19
but one of them is that it lets us separate ourselves
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但其中之一就是我们任由自己
12:22
from what's happening on the other side of town.
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与城市另一边发生的事情划清界限。
12:26
Those of us who are middle-class or wealthy,
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我们当中从这些系统获益的
12:28
who are benefiting from these systems,
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中产阶级或富裕阶层,
12:30
have to change them at immense cost to ourselves.
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需要付出极大的代价做出改变。
12:34
We have to pay enough taxes
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我们需要缴纳足够的税,
12:35
and then demand that our governments put good teachers in other kids' schools
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再要求政府在其他小孩的学校里 安排优秀的老师,
12:40
and well-trained police to protect other peoples' neighborhoods.
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要求训练有素的警察去 保护其他人的社区。
12:46
But, of course, that's not going to do any good
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但当然,如果政府 从中贪污或助长暴力,
12:48
if the government is stealing the money or fueling the violence,
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这么做依然不会带来任何好处。
12:51
and so we also need better politicians with better incentives.
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因此我们还需要更优秀的、 动机更善良的政治家。
12:55
The fact is, we actually know a lot about what it takes to reduce violence.
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事实上,我们其实非常了解 减少暴力所需的措施,
12:59
It's policies like putting more cops
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比如在暴力现象最严重的地方
13:01
in the few places where most violence occurs.
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安插更多的警力。
13:05
But they don't fit easily into the boxes of the Left or the Right,
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但这样的政客通常并不能 被轻易地划分成左翼或右翼,
13:08
and so you need really honest politicians
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所以你需要非常诚实的、
13:12
who are willing to buck knee-jerk partisanship
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能够随机应变的党派,
13:15
and implement solutions.
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和能施行恰当措施的政治家。
13:16
And if we want good politicians to run,
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同时,如果我们想要好的政治家掌权,
13:19
we need to start respecting politicians.
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我们就需要开始尊重政治家。
13:25
There's also a lot we can do to fight privilege violence in other countries.
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对于对抗其他国家的特权暴力, 我们能做的还有很多。
13:29
The most violent regimes tend to be fueled by drugs,
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最暴力的政权往往是因毒品所致,
13:31
and then they launder the profits through financial systems
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他们通过纽约和伦敦的财政系统
13:34
in New York and London,
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通过房地产交易,
13:35
through real-estate transactions,
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或者高端度假村
13:37
and through high-end resorts.
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使获利看起来正当合法。
13:40
If you use drugs,
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如果你吸毒,
13:42
know your supply chain top to bottom,
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你就得清楚了解整个供应链,
13:45
or admit the amount of pain you're willing to cause others
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或者承认你宁愿给他人制造痛苦
13:48
for your own pleasure.
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来获取自身的快乐。
13:51
Meanwhile, I would love to see one of those tourist sites
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同时,我很希望看见这些度假村
13:54
team up with investigative journalists
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和调查记者合作,
13:56
and create a little tiny icon --
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在免费 WIFI 或者游泳池的标记旁边
13:58
right next to the one for free WiFi and if a place has a swimming pool,
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加上一个小小的标志——
14:01
there could be a little tiny gun
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一把小枪,
14:03
for "likely criminal money-laundering front."
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表示“洗钱犯罪可能发生点”。
14:06
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:07
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
14:12
But until then,
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但在此之前,
14:13
if you're booking a place in a dangerous country,
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如果你在危险的国家订酒店,
14:17
whether that's Jamaica or New Orleans,
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无论在牙买加还是新奥尔良,
14:19
do a little web research,
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先提前在网上查一查,
14:20
see if you can see any criminal ties.
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看看能否找到该地点的 犯罪相关记录。
14:22
And, to make that easier,
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或者,简单一些,
14:23
support legislation
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支持那些
14:25
that makes our financial systems more transparent --
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让我们的金融系统更加透明的立法——
14:28
things like banning anonymous company ownership.
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比如禁止匿名企业所有权。
14:32
Now, this all probably sounds pretty quixotic,
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这些听起来可能都有些不切实际,
14:34
kind of like recycling your cans,
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有点像回收罐头,
14:36
just a tiny drop in the ocean of a gigantic problem,
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对解决问题来说只是杯水车薪,
14:40
but that's actually a misconception.
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但这实际上是一种误解。
14:43
Homicide has been falling for centuries.
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凶杀案的发生率 已经连续下降了好几个世纪。
14:45
Battle deaths have been dropping for decades.
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因战乱导致的死亡人数也在持续下降。
14:48
In places where people have demanded change,
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在人们呼吁改变的地方,
14:51
violent death has fallen, from Colombia to New York City,
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死于暴力的情况就会有所下降, 从哥伦比亚到纽约都是如此,
14:55
where homicide is down 85 percent since 1990.
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从 1990 年至今, 杀人案已经减少了 85%。
15:00
The fact is, violence will always be with us,
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事实是,暴力将永远伴随着我们,
15:03
but it's not a constant.
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但它不是一种常态。
15:05
It has been falling for centuries, and it could fall further faster.
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它在过去的几百年里一直在减少, 并且以后还可以减少得更快。
15:09
Could it drop by 25 percent in the next quarter century, a third?
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它是否能在下一个二十五年内 减少 25%,或是三分之一?
15:13
Many of us actually think it could.
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很多人相信这是可能的。
15:16
I think of all the kids who'd grow up with their dads,
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我相信所有孩子都可以 有父亲陪伴他们成长,
15:20
all the families that get their sisters back,
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所有兄弟姐妹都可以
15:23
their brothers.
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回归他们的家庭。
15:26
All it needs is one small push.
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而这一切仅需一些小小的推动力。
15:29
It needs us to care.
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只需要我们发自内心的关切。
15:33
Thank you.
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谢谢大家。
15:34
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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