How Your Memory Works -- and Why Forgetting Is Totally OK | Lisa Genova | TED

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翻译人员: Jacky He 校对人员: Yan Li Xiao
回想下上个星期里,
你有无发生过忘记手机放哪里的事?
有没有想说一个词却找不到它,
却想不起一位演员的名字 或是朋友推荐过的电影名?
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Thinking about the past week,
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did any of you forget where you put your phone?
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Did you have a word stuck on the tip of your tongue,
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有没有忘记去倒垃圾 或洗完衣服后忘记拿去烘干?
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you couldn't remember the name of an actor
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or that movie a friend recommended?
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或是去便利店买东西时 漏掉了一些商品?
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Did you forget to take out the trash
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到底怎么了? 是你的记忆力下降了吗?
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or move the laundry from the washer to the dryer
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并不是,
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or to pick up something from the grocery store you meant to buy?
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记忆本来就是这样的。
尽管记忆在我们的生活中,
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What is going on here, is your memory failing?
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是一种奇迹般、不可或缺 又十分普遍的存在,
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It's not.
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It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do.
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但它并不完美。
我们的大脑并不是为了记住人的名字、 接下来要做什么,
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For all its miraculous,
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necessary and pervasive presence in our lives,
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memory is far from perfect.
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或记录我们遇到的每件事而设计的。
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Our brains are not designed to remember people's names,
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这些瑕疵只是大脑的“默认设置”。
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to do something later
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即使在最聪明的头脑中, 记忆也会出差错:
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or to catalogue everything we encounter.
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These imperfections are simply the factory settings.
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一位因成功记忆 100,000 位圆周率而出名的人,
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Even in the smartest of heads, memory is fallible.
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也可能忘记他妻子的生日,
或者他走到客厅要干什么。
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A man famous for memorizing over 100,000 digits of pi
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我们中多数人都会忘记 自己前一天的大部分经历,
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can also forget his wife's birthday
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or why he walked into the living room.
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也就是说,我们对自己 生活的记忆少之又少。
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Most of us will forget the majority of what we experienced today
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这值得思索。
究竟是什么决定着 我们选择留下哪些记忆呢?
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by tomorrow.
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Added up, this means we actually don't remember most of our own lives.
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这里有两个超级常见 的记忆翻车的案例,
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Think about that.
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So what determines what we remember and what we forget?
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我会解释为什么这都是正常的:
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Here are two examples of supercommon memory failures
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一: 我把手机,
钥匙、眼镜、汽车放哪儿了?
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and why they're totally normal.
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要形成持久性记忆的
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Number one, where did I put my phone,
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第一要素便是专注程度。
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my keys, my glasses, my car?
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你的记忆并不是一台录像机, 记录着你接触到的每一帧场景;
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The first necessary ingredient in creating a memory
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that lasts longer than the present moment
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is attention.
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你只会记得你关注的那段。
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Your memory is not a video camera
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recording a constant stream of every sight and sound you're exposed to.
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举个很常见的例子:
我经常开车从波斯顿到科德角;
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You can only remember what you pay attention to.
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大概开了一小时之后, 我会经过萨加莫尔桥——
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Here's an example that will probably feel familiar.
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一架大型四车道、 极有辨识度的桥梁。
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I often drive from Boston to Cape Cod.
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About an hour into this trip I cross the Sagamore Bridge,
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在过桥后开了 10 英里, 大约 10 分钟后,
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a really big, four-lane, cannot-miss-it structure.
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我突然寻思......
我已经开过那座桥了吗?
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And then about 10 miles and a mere 10 minutes later,
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我一点都记不起来我开过桥了,
因为这个记忆本来就没有存在过。
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I'll suddenly wonder, wait,
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did I already go over the bridge?
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光光感官捕捉到信息是不够的,
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I can't recall going over the bridge
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because that memory was never created in the first place.
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没有绷紧注意力这根弦的情况下, 大脑无法将感官信息转化为记忆存储。
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It's not enough for my senses to perceive information.
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My brain can't consolidate any sensory information into a lasting memory
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所以,即使我无数次驶过这座桥,
因为当时我正沉浸于思考中, 或者在全神贯注地听书,
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without the neural input of attention.
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我的注意力被转移了。
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So because I've driven over that bridge countless times
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开过桥的事在几秒内 就从我的脑海中消失了......
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and because I was probably lost in thought or listening to an audio book,
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彻底消失了。
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so my attention pulled elsewhere,
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当你忘记某人说的话、 刚碰面的人的名字或你停车的位置,
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the experience of driving over it slipped out of my brain within seconds,
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gone without a trace.
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以及是否已经开车驶过了一座大桥,
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The number one reason for forgetting what someone said,
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所有这类遗忘的罪魁祸首 就是注意力缺乏。
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the name of a person you just met,
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where you parked your car
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二:
“噢,他叫什么名字来着?”
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and whether you already drove over a really big bridge
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is lack of attention.
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有一天,我怎么也想不起来 在 HBO 的连续剧“黑道家族”中,
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Number two,
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扮演托尼·索普拉诺 (Tony Soprano)演员的名字; 但我知道他的名字肯定在我的大脑某处。
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"Oh, what is his name?"
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One day I couldn't come up with the name
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我可以告诉你关于他的各种事情,
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of the actor who played Tony Soprano in the HBO series "The Sopranos."
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但就是说不出他的名字。
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I knew his name was stored somewhere in my brain,
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我最终放弃,然后谷歌了一下:
“扮演托尼·索普拉诺的演员。”
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and I could tell you all kinds of things about him,
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杰姆斯·甘道夫(James Gandolfini)。
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but I could not produce his name.
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没错,就是他!
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I eventually gave up and googled it.
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词语阻碍,也叫“嘴边忘词”,
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"Actor who played Tony Soprano."
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是记忆异常最常见的状况之一。
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James Gandolfini.
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Yes, that's it.
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你很努力地回想着一个词, 通常是名词,
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Blocking on a word, also called tip of the tongue,
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但怎么样都无法 让它在脑海里出现。
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is one of the most common experiences of memory failure.
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这又是为什么?
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You're trying to come up with a word, most often a proper noun,
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通常当有关该词的神经元
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but you cannot, for the life of you, retrieve it on demand.
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没有被全部或者高度激活时,
才会出现忘词。
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Why does this happen?
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Blocking on a word can occur when there's only partial
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而我们经常会联想到
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or weak activation of the neurons
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一个在发音或含义上 类似的词来作为替代;
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that connect to the word you're looking for.
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这些间接相关的词被贬义地称作
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We often come up with a loosely related word instead,
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原词的“丑妹妹”;
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something similar in sound or meaning.
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更加糟糕的是,
找出一个“丑妹妹” 会造成相反的效果:
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These obliquely related words are rather unfortunately called
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the ugly sister of the target.
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这些“冒牌货”会把你的大脑活动 转移到它们的神经通路那儿,
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And even more unfortunately,
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zeroing in on an ugly sister will only make the situation worse.
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愈加远离你想找的单词。
所以当你检索目标单词时,
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These decoys lead your brain activity down neural pathways that go to them
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你其实会说出那个“冒牌货”。
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and not to the word you're looking for.
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举个例子:
最近我问我男朋友,
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So now when you try to retrieve the word in question,
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“那个著名冲浪运动员叫啥?
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all you can come up with is the ugly sister.
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兰斯 (Lance)?”
“不,应该不叫兰斯。”
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Here's an example.
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I recently asked my boyfriend,
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他知道我指的是谁,
但就是想不起来名字。
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"What's the name of that famous surfer?
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我们都有些受挫。
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Lance?
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原来,我脱口而出的那个错误名字,
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No, it's not Lance."
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He knew who I was talking about,
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使得我男朋友的大脑 锁定在“丑妹妹”——
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but he couldn't come up with it either.
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兰斯·阿姆斯特朗——上,
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We were both stumped.
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And turns out my blurting out the wrong name
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于是他陷进了错的 神经区而且出不来了。
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set my boyfriend's brain to Lance Armstrong,
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“丑妹妹”也能解释以下这种情况:
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the ugly sister.
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在很久之后, 当你不再试图去想这个名字时,
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Now, he was stuck in the wrong neural neighborhood and couldn't get out.
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它又会突然不知从哪儿冒出来。
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The ugly sister also explains this phenomenon.
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Much later, once you've stopped trying to find the word,
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拉尔德·汉密尔顿。 (Laird Hamilton)
对,就是这个名字!
这是怎么回事?
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it suddenly bubbles to the surface, seemingly out of nowhere.
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通过停止搜索,
你的大脑消除对“丑妹妹”的执念,
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Laird Hamilton.
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Yes, that's it.
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让正确的神经元得以被激活。
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Why does that happen?
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By calling off the hunt,
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“话到嘴边”,
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your brain can stop perseverating on the ugly sister,
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特别是忘记一个人名,是非常普遍的。
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giving the correct set of neurons a chance to be activated.
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25 岁的年轻人每周 都会有几次“嘴边忘词”,
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Tip of the tongue,
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especially blocking on a person's name, is totally normal.
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但是他们并不会为此焦虑,
因为健忘和阿尔茨海默症 离他们的年龄段还很遥远。
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Twenty-five-year-olds can experience several tip of the tongues a week,
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与他们的父母不同的是,
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but young people don't sweat them, in part because old age,
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年轻人会毫不犹豫的 将记忆工作托付给智能手机。
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memory loss and Alzheimer's are nowhere on their radars.
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这让我想到了重要的一点:
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And unlike their parents,
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许多人会担心, 用谷歌搜索忘记的词汇,
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they don't hesitate in outsourcing the job to their smart phones.
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像是在作弊似的,加剧了问题,
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Which brings me to an important point.
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造成记忆的削弱;
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Many of you are worried that if you use Google to look up your blocked words
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甚至担心谷歌就像“高科技拐杖”,
会引起“数码痴呆”。
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then you're cheating and contributing to the problem,
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这是一种误会:
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weakening your memory.
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用谷歌搜索 “谁演的托尼·索普拉诺”
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You're worried that Google is a high-tech crutch
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that's going to give you digital amnesia.
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不会削弱你的记忆力。
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This belief is misinformed.
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同样的,坚持在记忆中搜寻他的名字,
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Looking up the name of the actor who played Tony Soprano
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而感觉很难受,
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doesn't weaken my memory's ability whatsoever.
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不会增强你的记忆力,
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Likewise, suffering through the mental pain
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更不会给你赢得任何徽章。
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and insisting on coming up with his name on my own
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大可不必为记忆献身。
时不时地忘词
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doesn't make my memory stronger
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or come with any trophies for doing so.
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是利用记忆时常发生的小事,
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You don't have to be a memory martyr.
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是我们大脑各部门分工的副产品。
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Having a word stuck on the tip of your tongue
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就像你眼睛近视 或老花了需要带眼镜,
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is a totally normal glitch in memory retrieval,
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说话忘词时,
也完全可以使用谷歌搜索。
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a byproduct of how our brains are organized.
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记忆是美妙的,
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You wear glasses if your eyes need help seeing,
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在几乎我们做的每件事中起到核心作用,
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you have my permission to use Google
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07:00
if a word is stuck on the tip of your tongue.
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但是也会使你忘记给妈妈打电话,
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Memory is amazing
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忘记把眼镜放哪了,
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and is essential for the functioning of almost everything we do,
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和忘记上周二中午你吃的东西。
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but it will also forget to call your mother,
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这使人懊恼,但不足以上升到 需要诊断、让人恐慌或惭愧的地步。
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where you put those glasses,
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我们忘事,其实是我们 作为正常人类的表现。
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and what you ate for lunch last Tuesday.
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Frustrating, but not a cause for diagnosis, panic or shame.
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谢谢聆听。
主持人:我代表观众
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Most of what we forget is just a normal part of being human.
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为你鼓掌致意。
我现在感觉好多了,
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Thank you.
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这是你的功劳。
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David Biello: I will stand in for the audience
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我想我们多少会 为自己的记忆感到忧心,
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to give you my own personal standing ovation.
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尤其是这次疫情之后。
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I personally feel so much better.
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我看已经有观众提出了一些问题;
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So thank you for that.
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07:38
I think we all get a little concerned about our memories,
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不过在这一环节前, 我个人有个十分重要的问题,
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particularly after this pandemic.
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那就是:我应该对我
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And I see that we already have some questions from the audience.
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每次走到一个房间 而忘记我去那儿干什么
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But before we get into that, I have to ask one very important personal question,
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而感到担忧吗?
这要紧吗?
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which is, should I be worried,
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我应该为此感到焦虑吗?
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because every time I get up and go to another room,
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丽萨·吉诺瓦:不,你不必为此焦虑,
而这也是我写这本书中 最重要的动机之一就是
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I forget why I've gone there.
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Is that is that troubling?
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很多人,尤其是在过了 40 岁以后,
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Should I be nervous?
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LG: No, you should not be nervous.
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经常会短暂地遗忘。
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And that's one of the big take-homes of why I wrote the book I just wrote,
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然后我们心里便想: “天啊,我是不是精神失常了,
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there's so many people, especially over the age of 40,
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我快老年痴呆了。”
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who experience normal moments of forgetting
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这是可能出现的场景 ——
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but now we are keyed into it
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你在卧室里,正准备读一本书,
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and we think, "Oh, my God, does this mean I'm losing my mind,
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现在是就寝时间,
看书是你的睡前习惯;
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I'm going to get Alzheimer's."
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So here's what happens when you have that --
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然后发现忘记把眼镜放哪了。
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so you're in your bedroom and you're getting ready to read a book,
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你想它可能在厨房,
所以你去了趟厨房;
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it's bedtime,
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这时你就产生了这份关于,
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that's what you do before bed.
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08:27
And you realize you've forgotten your glasses.
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你之后想做啥的记忆,
这就是前瞻性记忆。
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And you're like, they're probably in the kitchen.
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我像大多数人习惯的一样计划着:
08:32
So you go walk down to the kitchen
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“一会去超市,我要买点牛奶。”
08:34
and you created the memory,
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the intention of what you plan to do later.
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That's called your prospective memory.
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“我得记着给妈妈打电话。”
08:39
So it's like, I intend -- we do this all the time, right?
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“我还得去干洗店拿衣服。”
这些是我们未来要做的事。
08:42
"When I go to the grocery store later, I need to buy milk."
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我们的大脑在这方面 很不擅长,且天生如此。
08:45
"I need to remember to call my mother."
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"I need to remember to pick up the dry cleaning," right?
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如果在手机里写一个任务清单,
08:50
These things that we plan to do in the future.
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人们会觉得像是在作弊。
08:52
Our brains are terrible at them, like, inherently terrible.
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不,这其实是良好的做法,对吧?
就像飞行员不依靠 他们的前瞻性记忆,
08:56
So people feel like they're cheating if they create to-do lists, checklists,
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来提醒他们飞机落地 前要放下起落架。
08:59
put it in their phone.
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他们会把记忆“外包”——
09:01
No, this is just good practice, right?
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用任务清单替代大脑,对吧?
09:03
So pilots don't rely on their prospective memories
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to remember to put down the wheels before landing the plane.
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可以肯定,使用任务 清单是不错的选择。
那么说你有了这个想法:
09:09
They outsource the job.
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到了厨房,
09:10
Don't use your brain, use the checklist, right?
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我得找眼镜。
09:13
So, like, using a checklist is sound practice.
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我到了厨房, 但我又不知道我来这做什么;
09:16
So anyway, you made this intention,
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我可以解释说,前瞻性记忆并不靠谱。
09:18
this memory of, like, when I get to the kitchen,
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09:20
I'm going to look for glasses.
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但也因为这 10 秒钟的记忆
09:22
You show up in the kitchen, you're like, "I don't know why I'm here."
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和“我得记住 4 点的那个视频会议”不同。
09:25
Part of the reason is prospective memory sucks.
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所以这背后是什么道理呢?
09:28
But we've only asked it to remember something for 10 seconds.
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在这种状况下另一个因素是情境,
09:31
It's not like, "Oh, I need to remember to go to my Zoom meeting at four o'clock."
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它对记忆影响很大。
09:35
So what's going on?
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包括各种暗示、潜在联系、
09:36
The other key in this situation has to do with context.
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感官接收、感性认知、我们的心情,
09:40
So memory is very much influenced by context.
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和任何与我们正在记忆的 事情有关的因素。
09:44
The cues, the associations,
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情境帮助记忆形成,
09:46
the sensory information, the emotional information, our mood,
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并且帮我们再一次找到它,
09:50
anything that is linked to the thing we're trying to remember.
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因为记忆本质是 联系紧密的神经网络。
09:54
So context helps us form a memory
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比如在卧室里,你被书架、 你读的书、就寝时间
09:57
and context helps us retrieve that memory
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相应地提醒着:
10:00
because memory is the connected neural network of associations.
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“哦,我需要眼镜。”
10:04
So in the bedroom, all the cues for what you needed were there, right?
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但是当你走到厨房,你想:
“我饿了吗...还是渴了?”
10:08
The bookcase, the book you're reading, the time of day, it's bedtime,
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因为你收到的信号是:
“我是来吃饭吗?”
10:11
"Oh, I need glasses."
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而不是关于你未注意到的眼镜。
10:13
You show up in the kitchen and you're like,
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所以当你走进房间你想:
10:15
"Am I hungry? Am I thirsty?"
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“我不知道我为什么来这,”
10:17
Because, right, the cues are signaling,
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你并没有发疯, 也没得阿尔茨海默症,
10:19
"Is it a meal? Is it what?"
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10:21
And not the glasses that you didn't notice.
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你的记忆也没啥问题。
10:23
So when you walk into the room and you're like,
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只要回到来这之前的那个房间,
10:25
"I don't know why I'm here,"
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10:27
you're not going crazy, you're not getting Alzheimer's,
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动身走过去或在想象中过去,
10:29
your memory isn't terrible.
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重现那些相关的情景特征,
10:31
It's, go back to the room you were in before you landed in this one,
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就能顷刻摆脱刚才的困惑。
10:36
either in your mind's eye or physically do it
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DB: 有些观众,如 Mel 和 Lorraine,
10:38
and imagine the cues that were there and it will instantly deliver
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10:42
what you were completely befuddled by a moment ago.
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都想知道一个问题。
相反,你怎么样会觉得
10:46
DB: So a question that's come in from a number of our audience members,
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某些记忆规律是异常征兆,
10:51
including Mel and Lorraine, is the flip side of this.
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10:54
So when would you consider,
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或你需要进一步的筛查诊断呢?
10:57
or what kinds of memory cues would be signs of abnormality
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LG:噢,我挺喜欢这个问题,
因为我认为这中间 太长时间有种不合。
11:02
or you should get further testing and checking?
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事实上,人们容易接受
11:05
LG: Oh, I love this question, too,
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自己颈部以下的身体
11:07
because I think that for too long there's been this disconnect with,
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有某些缺陷,
尤其是心脏有关的问题。
我们很多人都会 记录每天的步数,
11:13
you know, people are comfortable thinking
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或是去诊所测血压,
11:15
about having an influence over their health
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11:17
from the neck down, right?
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或测量我们的胆固醇指标;
11:18
So especially with heart health,
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大家也想努力改变不良的因素,
11:20
a lot of us count our number of steps
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11:22
or we'll go to the doctor and get blood pressure taken.
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降低我们心脏病发的概率。
11:25
And do we have high cholesterol?
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11:27
How can I influence these factors, right?
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但是大部分人都认为 他们无力改变大脑的健康。
11:31
How can I influence the likelihood that I'll get a heart attack later?
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这个问题就好在,
我们能察觉到些什么?
而我们该如何对这些信息作出反应?
11:36
But most people don't think they have any influence over their brain health.
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如果真有问题总不能 吓得谁也不告诉吧。
11:40
And so this question is great because it's like,
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所有与大脑搭边的问题,特别是记忆,
11:42
well, what can I notice?
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11:44
And then what do I do with that information, right?
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都似乎关系到脸面。
11:46
So, like, don't just panic and don't tell anyone.
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但这可以是你与你 医生交流的重要信息。
11:50
There's so much shame and stigma attached to anything going on with the brain
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你的思路清晰吗?
11:53
and particularly memory.
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你今天记忆力怎么样?
一年前又是什么样?
11:56
But this becomes information
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11:57
that you can be in conversation with your doctor about.
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不停变化吗?
有什么区别?
单单忘记他人的名字
12:00
So what is your cognition?
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12:02
What is your memory today
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其实很正常。
12:03
and what does it look like a year from now?
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名字就像住在神经系统的死胡同里,
12:05
Is it changing?
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12:06
And so what are the differences?
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很多事情最终会牵扯到它们,
12:08
So forgetting people's names,
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但是就是很难把它们找出来。
12:10
totally normal.
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12:12
Names sort of, live in, like, little neurological cul de sacs
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要前往胡同底的房子,
12:15
like, ultimately lots of things connected to them,
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只能走这一条路。
而普遍的名字、名词
12:18
but really hard in the end to just produce the words,
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就像在美国大街上的十字路口;
12:21
you've got to get to that house at the end of that street,
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你可以通过不同方式前往,
12:24
there's only one way in.
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12:25
Whereas common names, common nouns are like,
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来去方便。
如果你说话时经常开始忘词——
12:28
in the intersections on Main Street, USA,
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比如我问,“哦, 你写字用的工具叫什么?
12:30
like, you can get, there are a number of different ways,
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12:33
and it's super easy to get in and out.
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你写字用的那个......那个怎么说?”
12:35
If you start forgetting common words frequently --
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“笔?” “哦对,想起来了。”
12:37
so if I'm like, "Oh, what's the name of the thing you write with?
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如果这种事情发生, 背后肯定有些原因;
倒不一定是老年痴呆。
12:41
The thing you write with. What's that"
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重现、产生记忆时出现问题
12:44
"Pen?" "Yeah" --
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12:45
if that starts happening, that could be something.
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有很多种解释,
12:48
Doesn't have to be Alzheimer's.
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也许是睡眠缺乏,
也许是维生素 B12 不足, 或者是其他各种情况;
12:50
There are lots of reasons for having issues with retrieving memories
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所以不能马上 咬定是阿尔茨海默症;
这些应该是容易解决的。
12:55
making new memories.
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12:56
It can be sleep deprivation,
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所以最好密切关心你自己的大脑。
12:58
it could be B12, it can be lots of things.
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另外需要理解事物的运作逻辑和用途。
13:00
So you don't have to just jump to Alzheimer's.
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13:02
But it is something that you can hopefully address.
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举个例子,我的朋友 格雷格·奥布莱恩 (Greg O’Brien) 患有老年痴呆症。
13:05
Again, be involved in your brain health.
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他举了一个我很喜欢 并用在书中的例子;
13:08
The other has to do with understanding how things work,
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13:11
what things are for.
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很多人会说“我记不得把车停哪儿了”。
13:12
So, like, my friend Greg O'Brien has Alzheimer's
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我也经历过同样的事情:
13:16
and he uses the example which I love and I used in my book is,
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我开去商场,出来后
就找不到我车库里的车位了。
13:19
a lot of people say I can't remember where I parked my car.
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这我的确碰到过。
对于格雷格来说, 在他还在开车的年代,
13:23
That happened to me the other day.
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13:24
I was in the mall, I got out,
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他开到一个地方,
13:26
I couldn't remember where in the garage I parked the car.
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停好车,有事要下车一分钟;
13:29
I've certainly done this.
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13:30
For Greg, who has Alzheimer's, it's he drives somewhere,
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比如说去丢垃圾。
“我来到垃圾堆,把垃圾扔出去,
13:33
back when he used to drive,
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然后转身就站在我的车前面
13:35
parks his car, gets out, like, does something for a minute.
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但认不出它是我的。”
13:39
So his example's the dump.
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这是语义记忆:
13:40
"I went to the dump, threw the trash out,
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“那辆车就是我的黄色吉普, 但我不认得它。”
13:42
turned around standing in front of my car.
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然后还忘记自己开过去这件事。
13:46
Don't recognize it as mine."
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13:48
So that's a semantic memory.
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后者是一段情节记忆, 是有关发生事情的记忆。
13:49
That car is my yellow jeep and I don't recognize it.
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所以就在几分钟前,
我开车前往垃圾堆, 但我现在不记得我去过了。
13:53
And then B, forgets that he drove there.
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所以这和“我的车停四楼还是五楼?”
13:56
So that's an episodic memory, a memory for what happened.
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不是一回事。
13:59
So just a few minutes ago,
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14:00
I drove to the dump and now I don't remember that I did that.
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DB:对。
现在我们有位观众, 乔治·韦斯 (George Weiss),
为了帮助我们更好地记忆,
14:03
And so that's not the same as, like, "Did I park on level four or five?"
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想知道调节饮食 是否可以让我们避免失忆。
14:08
DB: Yeah.
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14:09
So George Weiss,
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14:11
in the helping-us-remember-better vein,
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是否可以通过类似填字游戏这种 或更深层次的社交联系,
14:14
wants to know can diet help us to avoid memory loss
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或者其他方式,
训练你的神经元 以获得更好的记忆力呢?
14:20
and can you, kind of, exercise your neurons into better memory
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你摇头表示不行—— 这是简明的答案。
14:23
through crossword puzzles or deeper relationships
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丽萨·吉诺瓦:是和不是。 我也喜欢这个问题,谢谢你。
嗯,所以我告诉人们, 这没有什么诀窍,
14:27
or anything like that?
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14:28
You're shaking your head no, so that's the short answer.
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我也不能给你什么保健药丸,
14:31
LG: Yes and no. Again, I love this question, so thank you.
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让你不经历“嘴边忘词”
14:34
Yeah, so I tell folks, like, there's no real gimmick to this,
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或帮助你记住你的下一个 TED 演讲。
14:38
like there's no supplement I can give you
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这种药剂不存在。
填字游戏也没多大用处;
14:41
that's going to keep you from experiencing a tip of the tongue
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我不知道这是谁“发明”的。
14:44
or help you memorize your next TED Talk.
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一般填字游戏会——
14:46
Like, there's no supplement,
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想想你玩它时需干什么——
你会取用你已经知道的词,
14:48
the crossword puzzles are not the thing,
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14:50
I don't know who started that one.
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所以你会更加熟练地记住这些词。
14:52
So crossword puzzles are going to --
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14:54
think about what you’re doing --
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但这不是交叉训练,
所以它不能帮助你 日常生活中的运用。
14:56
you're retrieving words you already know.
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14:58
So you're going to get better at remembering those words.
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让你记得那天发生的事,
或你在你的演讲里要说什么;
15:02
But it's not cross-training.
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15:04
It doesn't then help you in your day-to-day life
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不是那样的。
它也没有产生新的神经通路。
15:07
remember what happened that day
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15:09
or again, if you have a presentation, what you have to say.
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可以说,取用已知的信息
并不能提升神经可塑性,
15:13
It doesn't work that way.
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15:15
It's also not building new neural roads.
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从而产生“认知储备”。
15:17
So retrieving information you already know
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每次我们学习新事物时
15:20
doesn't lend itself toward neuroplasticity,
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都在形成新的神经结构
15:23
which is in building something called a cognitive reserve.
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和神经化学上的联系。
15:28
So every time we learn something new,
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所以这么想:
15:30
we're actually building new neuroanatomical
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你的大脑不仅仅是你 头骨里的粉红色团状物体、
15:33
and neurochemical connections.
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脑袋里的”黑匣子“;
15:36
And so if you imagine --
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它更像是个动态的不断变化的器官。
15:38
your brain isn't just this pink blob in your skull,
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你的基因也影响着里面发生什么;
15:42
in this little black box in your head,
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它与你的行为、经历和感受相互作用,
15:44
it's a very dynamic organ and it's changing constantly.
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并自己发生改变。
随着我们学的变多了, 我们脑部的连接也增多;
15:48
And your genes are interacting with what happens.
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15:51
It's interacting with what you do and experience and feel,
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这一点十分重要。
因为如果你发觉自己有些不对劲,
15:54
and it changes.
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有痴呆症前兆,
15:56
And the more we learn, the more connections we build.
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或真患上了阿尔茨海默症;
15:59
And this is important
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16:00
because if you do start to experience some pathology,
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你还会有很多储备。
你有替代的连接,
16:03
that is sort of, pre-Alzheimer's,
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可以绕过有问题的地方。
16:06
or if you start to get Alzheimer's,
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所以学习新事物是一种途径。
16:08
you actually have a lot of reserve.
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研究显示运动可降低患痴呆症的风险
16:10
You have back-up connections
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16:11
that can dance around any problems or detours.
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多达 50%。
我们都知道
16:15
So learning new things is one way.
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日常中睡眠对于预防老年痴呆症
16:17
Exercise has been shown to decrease your risk of dementia
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by up to a half.
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和维护现有的记忆力都极其重要。
16:22
Just day-to-day,
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we know that sleep is massively important,
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我今天的记忆
能够在我睡觉时转化为长期、 稳定的记忆
16:28
both for preventing Alzheimer's and for your memory today.
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和长期、稳定的神经改变与连接。
16:33
So the memories that I make today
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become long-term, stable memories,
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这种变化是在睡眠 的某些阶段发生的;
16:39
become long-term, stable alterations and neural connections while I sleep.
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所以睡眠不是无意义的待机状态。
这是一个众多生命活动展开的阶段;
16:45
And it's during certain phases of sleep that this process happens.
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它将你今天学到的信息和经验“嵌入”,
16:49
So sleep is not this passive state of doing nothing.
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It's a very busy biological state.
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这是最为重要的。
如果我今晚睡眠不好, 到了明天我就——
16:55
And so it's locking in the information and experiences you learn today.
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我的额叶不会愿意投入白天的工作中
17:00
And so that's superimportant.
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17:02
Then tomorrow, if I didn't get enough sleep tonight,
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以使我保持专注,不是吗?
17:05
I'm going to --
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我会感觉迟钝: “呃,我没法集中注意力......啥?”
17:07
my frontal lobe's not going to want to drag itself into its day job
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如果我今天无法集中注意力, 什么不会发生?
17:10
and do the work of paying attention today, right?
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新的记忆的形成。
17:13
You feel sluggish, like, "Ah, I can't pay attention. What?"
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于是我不会记得昨天的事,
也不会有今天新的回忆;
17:16
If I can't pay attention, what's not going to happen today?
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我只因为睡眠不足就失忆了。
17:20
Making new memories.
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主持人:说得对。
17:21
So I'm not going to remember yesterday,
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丽萨·吉诺瓦:科学已经很明确地证明——
17:23
I'm not going be able to make new memories today,
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我们人类作为一个物种
17:26
I have a form of amnesia just from not getting enough sleep.
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每晚最少得有 7 到 9 小时的睡眠。
17:29
DB: Right.
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17:30
LG: So seven to nine hours a night has been shown --
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关于你吃啥, 没有什么完美的研究,
17:33
the science is superclear
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17:35
that this is what we need minimally as a human species.
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我也不能给你编出来什么道理:
“如果你吃这些,
17:41
And then in terms of what you eat, again, there's no perfect study,
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这种营养剂, 这类抗氧化药物,这组食谱
17:46
and there's no rabbit-out-of-a-hat I can pull for you,
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就可以拯救你的记忆。”
17:49
or of, like, if you eat this
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不是这样的。但我们至少能确定
17:51
or this nutrient, this antioxidant, this recipe,
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地中海饮食,“健脑”饮食,
17:56
it's going to save your memory.
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即绿叶菜、色彩明亮的食物、
17:58
It's like, no, but we know there's been enough to show us
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天然未加工的食品、
18:00
that being on a Mediterranean diet, a mind diet
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脂肪肥厚的鱼、橄榄油、 坚果、豆类等,
18:04
so these leafy vegetables, the brightly-colored foods,
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这些是绝对能支持和改善心脏、
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the whole foods,
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大脑和记忆的。
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fatty fishes, olive oil, nuts, beans,
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但你也不用全吃这些,不是吗?
18:13
these are the kinds of foods that really fuel and support heart health,
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你不可能做到 100%,
这是正常的。
但尝试大体上完成,对吧?
18:18
brain health and memory.
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今天,我总体吃得怎么样?
18:20
And it doesn’t have to be 100 percent, folks, right?
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这周,我的整体饮食如何?
18:22
You're not going to be perfect at this,
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我还是觉得我们要有现实的期望。
18:24
and that's OK.
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18:26
Try to do it overall, right?
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运动、饮食、睡眠、 压力和学习新事物——
18:27
Today, what did I eat overall?
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18:28
This week, how did I do overall?
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18:31
Because I think we need to have realistic expectations.
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学习新鲜事物其实 就是和人待在一起;
18:35
So exercise,
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18:37
the diet, sleep and stress and learning new things.
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如果你参与谈话,
而这种对话从未发生过;
如果你在场并专心致志,
18:42
And learning new things is also -- it's this, it's being around people.
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你的大脑将受到很多有益的刺激。
18:45
If you're in conversation,
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主持人:观众鲍勃想了解 我们的能力,我们大脑的潜能。
18:47
that conversation's never happened before.
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18:49
So if you're present and paying attention,
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18:51
your brain is getting a lot of stimulation that's superhelpful.
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我们是否有脑力的极限;
就是我们到达巅峰, 就不能再提升了;
18:55
DB: So Bob wants to know about our capacity, our brain capacity.
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又比如为什么孩子们似乎比
19:00
Do we have like a lifetime capacity
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我这个年纪的记忆力更好呢?
19:02
and we hit it and then that's kind of it,
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或者这只是,一种都市传说吗?
19:06
or is that why children seem to remember things better
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丽萨·吉诺瓦:是的,这是个传言。
19:09
than maybe folks of my age?
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这个说你只利用了 10% 的大脑,
19:13
Or is that just, I don't know, an urban myth?
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甚至只有 5% 的大脑的理论——
有人把数字改小了——
19:17
LG: Yeah, it's myth.
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我也不知道是谁“发明”的。
19:18
This idea that like, oh, you only use 10 percent of your brain
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这显然不是事实。
你懂得,在任何特定的时刻
19:21
or you only use five percent of your brain,
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我都会用到大脑的某些区域,对吗?
19:23
someone's making it smaller.
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就好比我现在不在发怒,
19:25
I don't know who started that one, either.
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19:27
That's not true.
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于是我的杏仁核在闲着;
19:28
So, you know, at any given moment,
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19:30
I'm using certain parts of my brain, right?
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我也没有悲痛欲绝,
所以我的杏仁核其实挺放松的;
19:33
So I'm not in a rage right now,
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我正睁着眼睛,
那么我的视觉皮层是活跃的。
19:36
so my amygdala is kind of chilling.
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那里的神经元在传递和发送信号。
19:38
Like, I'm not grief-stricken,
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如果我闭上眼睛, 那片区域就会停止运行。
19:40
so my amygdala is kind of relaxed,
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19:42
and I have my eyes open,
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但我的大脑的所有部件 在一天中大概都会被用到,
19:44
so my visual cortex is lit up,
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19:45
and neurons there are firing.
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19:48
And if I were to close my eyes, that part of my brain goes quiet.
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也肯定可以随时被访问。
19:51
But all of my brain is being used at some point throughout the day, probably,
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我大脑中其实 没有什么我无法利用的。
“我的脑活动被限制 在特定允许的区域”
19:58
or certainly capable of accessing it.
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是一种错误的认识。
20:00
There aren't parts of my brain that I just can't seem to use
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并且,你的大脑空间也不会耗尽。
你知道,我在书中举了一个人的例子:
20:03
and I'm only squirreled away into certain domains.
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20:06
That is a fallacy.
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原口证(Akira Haraguchi)
20:09
And no, you don't run out of room.
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是一位来自日本的退休工程师;
20:10
So, you know, there's a man, I use his example in the book,
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他就是那位 69 岁还能 记住 100000 位圆周率的人。
20:16
Akira Haraguchi,
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20:18
a retired engineer from Japan who at the age of 69,
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在一个与老年促销
和退休相关的年纪,
20:22
he's the guy who memorized over 100,000 digits of pi, right?
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他正做着一件完全不可思议的事。
20:26
So at an age where we associate,
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而如果我们愿意,我们也可以。
20:29
like, you know, senior discounts and retirements,
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20:32
like, he's doing something that is kind of completely mind-blowing.
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在任何年龄,你都是胜任的。
随着岁数的增大,
你不会失去你所获得的信息、
20:37
And we can all do this if we wanted to.
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20:40
So no, at any age, you’re capable --
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所学的东西、你的语义记忆;
20:42
So as you grow older,
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这就是为什么你积累了 完整的知识体系。
20:45
you don't lose the information of stuff you've learned.
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那么你现在更加睿智了,不是吗?
因为你知道了 各种事物的内在联系,
20:49
So the stuff, your semantic memory.
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你也可以利用你积累的智慧。
20:51
So this is why you've accumulated a body of knowledge
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你现在都会了!
20:54
and you've got wisdom now, right?
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并不是回忆逐渐消失,
20:56
Because now you know how it all fits
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而是你一直在积累它。
20:58
and you can use that wisdom you've collected.
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你可能这样想,
21:00
You've got that.
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“哦,我不太记得童年的往事了,
21:02
It's not that that starts to go away.
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我真的想不起来。”
21:04
You accumulate that.
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或者 “我没办法告诉你 我 10 岁时发生了什么”。
21:07
And you might think like,
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这类情况跟情景有关。
21:08
"Oh, I don't remember much from childhood.
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记忆还在那里。
如果你住在纽约,
21:11
I can't really think about,"
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21:12
like, "I can't tell you what happened when I was 10."
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周围全是摩天大楼和繁华的生活,
21:15
This has more to do with context.
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21:17
It's still in there.
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而你在佛蒙特州郊区长大;
21:18
So if, you know, if you live in New York and you’re, you know,
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“我记不得 10 岁时发生了什么”。
那么回到你儿时的社区, 开车兜几圈:
21:22
you're surrounded by skyscrapers and city life
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那棵柳树还在, 理查兹女士的房子也没变,
21:25
and you grew up in rural Vermont,
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21:27
"And I can't remember what happened when I was 10."
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还有莫兰森女士;
噢,这里乔伊曾经摔断过腿......
21:30
Go back to your neighborhood and drive around and,
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于是,一切都回来了。
21:32
there's the willow tree, and there's Ms. Richards house,
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同样的,就像你从厨房到客厅,
21:35
and there’s Ms. Molansen,
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21:36
oh, that's where, like, Joey broke his leg,
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再从卧室到厨房去找眼镜,
21:39
and like, it all will come back,
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情景会使你脑子里
你自己甚至都不知道 曾有的记忆再次浮现。
21:41
because, again, it's like going from your kitchen to your living room,
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21:44
your bedroom to your kitchen to look for the glasses.
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你有数万亿个可能的神经连接,
21:47
It's like, all that context will reveal memory that you have in your head.
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不会都用完的。
到了 80 岁, 你还可以学习玩杂耍,
21:52
you didn't realize you have.
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21:53
You've got trillions of possible connections.
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你可以学弹钢琴,
你可以学习一门新的语言,
21:57
And no, you will not run out.
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你可以听其它的 TED 演讲。
22:00
You can learn to juggle when you're 80.
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学点记点什么并分享给他人;
22:02
You can learn to play piano.
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所以不要把自己约束住——
22:04
You can learn a new language.
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没有任何所谓的边界。
22:06
You can listen to a new TED Talk
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22:08
and learn and remember something to share with someone else.
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22:11
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