Juan Enriquez: A personal plea for humanity at the US-Mexico border | TED
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翻译人员: Jiasi Hao
校对人员: Cissy Yun
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This one's personal.
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这是一个非常个人的演讲。
00:17
I know what it's like
to have the government say,
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我知道这是一个什么感受,
当政府告诉你:
“我们明早就要把你杀了。”
00:20
"We're going to kill you in the morning."
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I know what it's like
to leave a country on six hours' notice
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我知道当接到通知,
被要求在6小时内离开国家,
00:27
and land on someone's couch.
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以及睡在别人家沙发上
是什么感觉。
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Because of that, I wrote a book
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因为这些经历,我写了本书,
00:31
on why countries do well
and why they don't.
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关于为什么有些国家治理得好,
而有些国家不,
00:35
Let me summarize 250 pages.
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让我总结一下这250页。
00:37
Countries have to be compassionate,
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国家需要有怜悯之心,
00:39
they have to be kind,
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他们应当善良,
00:40
they have to be smart,
they have to be brave.
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他们应当聪慧,
他们应当勇敢。
00:43
Want to know what doesn't work?
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想要知道什么行不通?
00:45
When you govern through fear
and you govern through cruelty,
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当国家利用恐惧、
使用残暴来统治,
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it just doesn't work.
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这就是行不通的。
00:50
You can play Genghis Khan for a while,
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你可以充当一会儿成吉思汗,
00:51
you can play Stalin for a while,
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你可以假装一会儿斯大林,
00:53
you can play Pinochet for a while.
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你可以扮演一会儿皮诺切特,
00:55
It does not work in the long run.
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但这都不能长久。
00:58
And it doesn't work in the long run
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这不是长久之计,
01:00
because to govern
through fear and cruelty,
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是因为为使用恐惧和暴力来统治,
01:03
you have to create a division.
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你需要建立一条“鸿沟”,
01:05
You have to take big chunks
of the country and convince them
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你需要占领大块国家土地,
并且说服他们:
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that they're not like them.
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你们和他们不一样。
01:11
That they shouldn't associate with them,
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你们不应该和他们往来,
01:13
they shouldn't talk to them.
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你们不应该和他们说话,
01:15
That those people are nasty,
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他们是令人厌恶的下等人,
01:16
those people are criminals,
those people are rapists.
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他们是罪犯,
他们是强暴者。
01:20
And the country is in danger
because of them.
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因为他们,
国家正处于危难。
01:24
And if you spend millions of dollars
doing that in your country,
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如果你花费千万人民币做这事,
01:28
you will make enemies abroad,
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你会在国外树敌,
01:32
and you will create divisions within.
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你也会在国内建立无数分歧。
01:35
And that has consequences.
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这是有后果的。
01:37
Three quarters of the flags
and the borders and the anthems
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今天的联合国中,
有3/4的国旗、国界和国歌
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around the United Nations today,
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01:41
they were not there a few decades ago.
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在几十年前,是没有的。
01:45
Those lines that are there today,
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如今,那些国界线的存在,
01:47
those flags were created
because somebody said,
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那些旗帜的出现,
是因为有人说:
01:49
"the Scotts are not like us,"
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“苏格兰人不是我们”,
01:51
"the Welsh are not like us,"
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“威尔士人不属于我们”,
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"the Basques are not like us,"
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“巴斯克人和我们不一样”,
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"the northern Italians are not like us,"
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“北意大利人有别于我们”,
01:56
"the Muslims are not like us,"
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“穆斯林和我们没有关系”,
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the blacks, the whites, the Christians.
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黑人、白人,基督徒。
02:01
You create "us versus them" ...
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你建立起“我们 vs. 他们”这一概念
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you destroy nations.
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便可摧毁国家。
02:07
Part of the problem
from creating us versus them
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建立“我们 vs. 他们”
有部分问题
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is it's hard to do.
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很难做到。
02:12
What you have to do
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你要做的
02:13
is you have to make people
believe absurdities.
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是让大家相信荒诞谬论,
02:17
And once people believe absurdities,
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一旦大家开始相信荒诞谬论,
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then they start to commit atrocities.
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他们开始实施暴行,
02:22
That's the dynamic of this thing.
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这就是这件事的动力因素。
02:23
You can't create "us versus them" --
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你不能建立“我们 vs. 他们”,
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you can't have the massacres
you had in Rwanda,
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卢旺达不会发生大屠杀,
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you can't have the massacres
you had in Yugoslavia --
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南斯拉夫也不会进行杀戮,
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unless if you create this dynamic.
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除非,你建立这个动力因素。
02:34
Let me summarize
current immigration policy.
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让我总结一下当前的移民政策。
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Let's deter "Them"
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我们一起威慑“他们”吧!
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by being as cruel as we can possibly be,
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只要我们变得尽可能残忍,
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and let's target their children.
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并且针对他们的孩子,
02:45
They are going after the children.
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在针对他们的孩子啊!
02:49
You have US lawyers arguing
that kids do not need
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你有美国律师在辩论:
孩子们不需要肥皂、拥抱或淋浴,
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soap or hugs or showers,
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adult help or a release date.
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大人的帮助或出狱日期。
02:57
Somebody gets pulled over
for a broken tail light,
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有在这里工作了20年的人
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who's worked here for 20 years,
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因为尾灯坏了,
在路边被警察叫停,
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gets thrown into jail,
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最终被送进监狱,
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maybe for life,
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没有法律代表,
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with no legal representation.
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可能意味着终身监禁。
03:07
The terrorists that blew up
the World Trade Center get lawyers.
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炸毁世贸中心的
恐怖分子请了律师,
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These kids, these parents,
they don't get lawyers.
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但那些孩子和父母没有。
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Governments are telling
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政府对
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some of the most desperate,
hurt people on earth,
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世上一些最绝望的
最受伤害的人说
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"I took your child, pay me 800 dollars
for a DNA test before you get it back."
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“我劫持了你的孩子,
给我八百美金做亲子鉴定,
我再把孩子还你”。
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Three-year-olds are appearing in court.
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三岁的孩子出现在法庭上。
03:27
Look, we've all watched these
courtroom dramas.
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我们都看过法庭剧,
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And it's exciting,
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非常刺激,
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because the wise judge sits up there,
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因为明察善断的法官正襟危坐,
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and the defense lawyer attacks
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被告律师辩护,
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and the prosecutor counterattacks,
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检察官反击,
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and then you figure out
how it's going to happen.
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于是你能猜测到接下来的剧情。
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I want you to understand
what is happening right now.
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我想让你理解现在正在发生的事,
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Prosecutor's there --
it's the tough prosecutor.
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那里的检察官,
是铁石心肠的检察官
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Accusing, attacking,
on behalf of we the people.
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代表我们人民,进行指控、辩论。
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The judge is up there, Judge Muckety-muck,
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高高在上的法官,官高爵显,
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with his black robes,
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身着黑色长袍,
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and he's questioning the defendant
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质问着被告人,
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from up there.
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在高台上。
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And the defendant is three years old
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被告人,三岁,
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and the eyes don't reach
the side of the table.
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眼睛还不及桌面高度,
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The defendant does not speak the language.
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不会说英语。
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The earphones for the translator
have fallen off the defendant's head,
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被告人戴的翻译耳机掉了下来,
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because there are no headphones
for three-year-olds in US courtrooms,
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因为在美国的法庭上
没有给三岁小孩的耳机,
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because they are not supposed
to defend themselves.
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因为他们根本还不该为自己辩护!
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This makes a mockery of justice,
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这是对司法审判的嘲弄,
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it makes a mockery
of the prosecution system,
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这是对公诉制度的嘲笑,
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it makes a mockery
of who we are as a nation.
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这是对我们作为一个国家的嘲讽。
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These are absurdities.
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这些荒诞谬论,
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These are atrocities.
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这些暴行,
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This is unbelievable.
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是令人难以置信的。
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And we're looking
at a bunch of statistics,
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我们看着大量统计数据,
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but I want you to understand,
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但我想要你明白,
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this is happening to the housekeeper
who brought up your kids.
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这正发生在
抚养你孩子的管家身上,
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This is happening to the gardener
who took care of your house.
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帮你打理房子的园丁,
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This is happening to the guy
who washed the dishes
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你上周去的
高级餐厅里的洗碗工
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in the fancy restaurant
you went to last week.
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This is happening to the people
who deliver the newspaper in the mornings.
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今早给你送报纸的人身上。
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This is your community,
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这是你的社区,
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these are the people who have lived
side by side with you.
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这些是与你一起生活的人。
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Treated you well,
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他们对你很好,
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treated you with respect,
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他们尊重你,
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taken care of your kids,
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照顾你的孩子,
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taken care of your grandparents.
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照顾你的祖父母,
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This is Luis, this is Laura,
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这是路易斯,这是劳拉,
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this is Jaime.
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这是杰米。
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This isn't some abstract,
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这不是什么抽象的个别情况,
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"Oh, it's happening at the border" --
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“哦,这发生在国界线那”——
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this is happening
in our community, right now.
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这正发生在你的社区,
就是现在!
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And the danger in this stuff
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这其中的危险是,
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is once you start normalizing
absurdities and atrocities,
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你一旦常规化这些谬论和暴行,
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people think that
those instruments are legitimate.
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人们便会认为
那些处理方式合理合法。
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So you get school boards
sending out letters like this:
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所以你会收到校董的来信:
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"Dear Parent,
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“亲爱的家长,
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because your kid owes
lunch money to the cafeteria,
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你的孩子因为欠学校餐厅午饭钱,
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the result may be that your child
will be taken away
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所以他可能会被带走,
05:54
and put in foster care."
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送到寄养家庭。“
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This is going out from school boards
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这样的信件将会从校董发出,
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because people think,
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因为人们认为
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"Well, that seems to be
an instrument of deterrence."
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“嗯...这看起来是一个威慑方式”。
06:05
When you board an airplane,
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当你登机的时候,
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before kids, before first class,
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在孩子,和头等舱旅客之前,
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soldiers in uniform board.
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身着制服的士兵优先登机。
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Some of them are immigrants.
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其中的一些,是移民。
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Here's a contract: join the army,
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这里是一份合同:参军,
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serve your term, be honorably discharged,
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任职服务,光荣退伍,
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get citizenship.
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获得公民身份。
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We are rescinding those contracts
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他们签订合同后,
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after they have been signed.
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我们开始千方百计解除它。
06:31
And if those soldiers
are killed in action,
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如果那些士兵殉职,
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we are deporting their wives,
and sometimes, their children.
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我们就把他们的妻子驱逐出境,
有时包括他们的孩子。
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These are the people who protect us.
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这些是保护我们的人,
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These are the people that we honor.
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这些是我们赋予荣誉的人,
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These are the brave.
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他们是勇士,
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And this is how we're treating them.
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然而这是我们对待他们的方式。
06:45
These are not the people
who cross the border illegally.
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他们不是非法跨越国界线的人。
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Once you start allowing
this kind of behavior,
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可你一旦允许该行为的“非法性”,
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it normalizes into a society,
and it rips the society apart.
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它将会被社会常规化,
也将把社会弄得四分五裂。
06:57
Countries are built on the hard work
and grit of immigrants;
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国家是建立在
移民的辛苦劳动和毅力勇气上的,
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we are all immigrants.
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我们都是移民,
07:02
We just came at different times.
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我们只是在不同的时间来到这里。
07:04
Fifty-five percent
of this country's main businesses,
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这个国家55%的主要公司,
国内最成功的公司,那些天之骄子
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the most successful businesses
in this country, the unicorns,
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07:13
are built by people who came
as foreign students or as immigrants,
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它们的创办者或共同创办者
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and they're the founders
or the cofounders.
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都主要由外国学生或移民担任的。
07:19
Well, here's what's happened
over the last three years
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但在过去三年里,
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to the best brains in the world.
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这才是世界最强大脑们的
真正待遇:
07:24
Forty-two percent of them
did not get visas
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其中42%的人,没有拿到签证,
07:27
or chose not to get visas.
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或是选择不申请签证。
07:29
This is how you wipe out an economy.
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这是你如何打击经济的。
07:31
This isn't about kids and borders.
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这无关乎于孩子和国界,
07:34
It's about us.
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这关于我们。
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This is about who we are,
who we the people are,
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这关乎于我们是谁,
关乎于我们人民是谁,
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as a nation and as individuals.
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在一个国家和无数个人的层面上,
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This is not an abstract debate.
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这不是抽象的辩论。
07:49
A lot of us like to think
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我们很多人喜欢想:
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if we had been back
when Hitler was rising to power,
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如果我们身处于
希特勒掌权的时候,
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we would have been out in the street,
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我们肯定会走上街头,
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we would have opposed him,
we would have stopped Mengele.
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我们肯定会反对他,
我们肯定会阻止门格勒。
08:00
A lot of us like to think,
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我们很多人喜欢想:
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if we had been around during the '60s,
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如果我们身处于
上世纪60年代,
08:05
we would have been
with the Freedom Riders.
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我们必将于出现在
自由乘车运动者的队伍中,
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We would have been
at that bridge in Selma.
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我们必将出现在
赛尔马桥的游行人群中。
08:09
Well, guess what?
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但你猜怎么着?
08:11
Here's your chance.
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这里有个机会,
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It's now.
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就是现在。
08:14
And as you're thinking about this stuff,
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当你在思考这件事的时候,
08:17
it's not just the giant acts,
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这不仅是个壮举,
08:19
it's not just go and block the bridge
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这不仅是去堵塞那座桥,
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or chain yourself to something.
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或是把你自己捆绑在某个东西上,
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It's what you do in your daily lives.
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而应该是你每天都在做的事情。
08:26
The Harvard Art Museum just opened a show
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哈佛美术馆刚举办了一个特展,
08:31
on how artists think about immigration
and building a home somewhere else.
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是关于艺术家们对移民,
以及在其他地方安居的想法。
08:35
And people come out of that show
and they're pretty shaken.
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看完展览的观众
都表示很震撼。
08:38
There was a blank wall at the end.
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展览最后有一面白墙,
08:41
And the curators did something
that usually doesn't happen --
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策展人做了一件不同寻常的事:
08:44
they improvised.
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即兴创作。
08:46
They drew four lines,
and put in two words:
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他们画了4条线,写了3个字:
08:49
"I belong."
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“我属于”。
08:50
So you come out of this exhibit,
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所以当你看完展览出来的时候,
08:52
and you can take a picture in front of it.
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你可以在这墙前拍照。
08:54
I can't tell you the impact
that has on people --
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我无法告诉你
这对于人们有多大影响。
08:56
I watched people come out of this,
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我看到人们出来,
08:59
and some of them sat
in front of that picture,
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有的坐在了那副画面前,
09:01
took a picture, and they had
a great, big grin on their face,
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拍了张照,
脸上露出灿烂的笑容;
09:04
and some people just had tears.
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有的面带泪光;
09:07
Some people hugged
and brought in strangers,
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有的相拥,
把陌生人揽入臂弯,
09:09
others brought in their family.
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其他人把家人纳入怀中。
09:13
Small acts of kindness
go a long, long, long way.
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小小的善举,
却能持续那么久,那么久。
09:18
There is pain going on in your community
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在你的社区,疼痛正在上演,
09:20
like you cannot believe.
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这是你无法相信的。
09:23
So next time you're with a cab driver
who may be one of "Them,"
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所以下次打车,
对某些人来说
是“他们”中一员的出租车司机,
09:26
according to certain people,
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09:28
give that person an extra five bucks.
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多给他一些零钱。
09:32
Next time you see a hotel maid,
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下次你看到酒店打扫人员,
09:34
thank her and tip her double.
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记得感谢她,多给她些小费。
09:37
Next time you see your gardener,
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下次你看到家中园丁,
09:40
you see your nanny,
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看到你家保姆,
09:42
you see somebody like this,
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看到任何一个类似处境的人,
09:43
give them a great, big hug,
and tell them they belong.
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给他们一个大大的拥抱,
并告诉他们“你属于这里”,
让他们感到“我们属于这里”。
09:46
Make them feel like they belong.
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09:48
It's time for big policies,
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是时候制定重大政策了,
09:50
but it's also time
for big acts of kindness.
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也是时候做出巨大善举了。
09:55
Because we have to reclaim who we are,
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因为我们必须回归本我,
09:57
we have to reclaim this nation.
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我们必须把这个国家恢复原样。
09:59
(Voice breaking) And we cannot sit there
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(声音哽咽)
我们不能坐以待毙
10:02
and watch this shit going on.
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看着这个“鸿沟”一直加深。
10:05
This has got to stop,
it's got to stop now.
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这必须停止,
现在必须停止!
10:09
Thank you.
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谢谢!
10:10
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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