The injustice of "policing for profit" -- and how to end it | Dick M. Carpenter II

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翻译人员: Ethan Huang 校对人员: Lipeng Chen
00:12
Picture yourself driving down the road tomorrow,
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想象你明天沿着公路行驶,
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heading somewhere to buy an item you found on Craigslist,
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前去购买 Craigslist 上 淘到的好东西,
00:21
perhaps a nice mountain bike for 3,000 dollars.
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那可能是一辆价值 3000 美元的 高级山地自行车。
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At that price, it's probably one of those bikes
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在这样高的价格下, 这可能是一辆
00:27
with a little electric motor on it --
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有着一台小型电动马达的自行车——
00:29
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
00:30
maybe some streamers from the handlebars.
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可能车把手上还挂着流苏飘带。
00:32
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
00:34
The seller has declared this a cash-only deal,
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卖家声明,这次交易只能用现金,
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so you have, in the console of your car, 3,000 dollars.
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所以你在车上的操作台里 放着 3000 美元现金。
00:41
Suddenly, you are pulled over.
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突然间,你被警察叫停到路边。
00:45
During the stop, the officer asks,
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警官走上前来问道,
00:47
"Do you have any drugs, weapons or large amounts of cash in your car?"
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“你车里有任何毒品、武器 或者大额现金吗?”
00:54
You truthfully answer, "Yes,"
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你诚实地回答道,“是的,”
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not to the drugs or to the weapons,
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不是说是有毒品或者是有武器,
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but to the cash.
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而是说车里有现金。
00:59
In the blink of an eye, you are ordered out of your car.
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转瞬间,你就被命令 从你的车里出来。
01:03
The officer searches it and finds your cash.
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这位警官搜查了这辆车, 并且发现了你放的现金。
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On the spot, he seizes it,
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他当场就没收了它,
01:10
and he says he suspects it's part of a drug crime.
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并且他声称他怀疑这些 现金与毒品犯罪有关。
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A few days later,
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几天以后,
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the local district attorney files paperwork to keep your money --
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当地检查官发布文件 要扣留你的钱——
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permanently.
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永久性地扣留。
01:21
And all of this happens
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这一切都发生在
01:22
without you ever being charged or convicted of any crime.
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你并没有被起诉,或者 没有被判定犯有任何罪状的情况下。
01:27
Now, you might be saying,
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你可能会说,
01:28
"Ah, this would never happen in the United States."
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“啊,这种情况永远 不会在美国发生。”
01:32
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:36
Incidents like this occur every day in our country.
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这类事情其实每天都会 在我们的国家发生。
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It's one of the most significant threats to your property rights
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这是对你财产权的最大威胁,
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most people have never even heard of.
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大多数人甚至都没听说这类事情。
01:45
It's called "civil forfeiture."
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这种做法叫做 “民事没收(civil forfeiture)”。
01:49
Most of you are generally aware of criminal forfeiture,
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你们中的大多数人通常 都知道“刑事没收”(criminal forfeiture),
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although the term itself might be a little unfamiliar,
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虽然你们可能对于这个 术语本身不太熟悉,
01:54
so let's begin with forfeiture.
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所以让我们从“没收” 这个词开始讲起。
01:57
When we forfeit something, we give up that thing,
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当我们被没收某样东西时, 我们是让出了那件东西,
01:59
or we're forced to give it up.
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或者说我们是被迫 放弃了那件东西。
02:02
In criminal forfeiture,
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在刑事没收中,
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someone is charged and convicted of a crime,
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有的人被指控并且被定罪,
02:06
and therefore, they have to give up property related to that crime.
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因此,他们必须放弃与 此次犯罪有关的财产。
02:11
For example, suppose you use your car to transport and deal drugs.
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比如说,假设你使用你的车去 运输和进行毒品交易。
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You're caught and convicted;
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你因此被抓住并被定罪;
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now you have to give up or forfeit your car
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这时你就不得不在判决过程中交出,
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as part of the sentencing.
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或者说让执法机关没收你的车。
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That's criminal forfeiture.
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这就是刑事没收。
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But in civil forfeiture, no person is charged with a crime --
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但是在民事没收中, 没人会被起诉任何罪行——
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the property is charged and convicted of a crime.
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而财产本身会被起诉并且被定罪。
02:37
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:38
You heard that correctly:
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你们没听错:
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the government actually convicts an inanimate object with a crime.
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政府真的可以给无生命的物品定罪。
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It's as if that thing itself committed the crime.
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这就好比物品自己 犯了罪一样。
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That's why civil forfeiture cases have these really peculiar names,
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这就是为什么民事没收案件 通常有一些非常奇怪的名字,
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like, "The United States of America v. One 1990 Ford Thunderbird."
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比如说,“美国起诉 1990 年产 福特雷鸟轿车”。
02:59
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:01
Or "The State of Oklahoma v. 53,234 Dollars in Cash."
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或者是“俄克拉荷马州起诉 53234 美元现金”。
03:07
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Or my personal favorite:
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或者是我最爱的案件名:
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"The United States of America v. One Solid Gold Object
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“美国起诉
一尊公鸡形状的纯金雕塑”。
03:14
in the Form of a Rooster."
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03:16
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:20
Now, you're thinking:
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你们应该在想:
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How does something like this happen?
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怎么会发生这种事?
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That's exactly what I said when I first learned about civil forfeiture
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我第一次了解到 民事没收时也是怎么说的,
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while on a road trip with my wife.
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当时我正和妻子在长途旅行的车上。
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No, we did not get pulled over.
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不过,我们并没有被叫停到路边。
03:31
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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I was reading about the history of civil forfeiture
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我当时正在读关于 民事没收的历史,
这是我作为法律公司 研究总监的一部分工作,
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as part of my work as a research director at the law firm,
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and I came across one of the cases I just mentioned,
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然后我就看到了我刚才提到的 众多案例中的一件,
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"The United States of America v. One 1990 Ford Thunderbird."
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“美国起诉 1990 年产 福特雷鸟轿车”。
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In that case, Carol Thomas loaned her car to her son.
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这起案件中,卡罗尔 · 托马斯 (Carol Thomas)把她的车
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While in the car, her son committed a minor drug crime.
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贷款卖给了她的儿子,而她的儿子 在车里进行了一次轻微的毒品犯罪。
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Carol didn't commit any crime,
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卡罗尔没有犯任何罪,
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so law enforcement couldn't convict her and take the car,
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所以执法人员不能给她定罪 并没收这辆车,
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but they could -- and did --
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但是他们可以,并且也的确
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use civil forfeiture to "convict the car" and take it.
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使用民事没收给这辆车 “定罪”并没收了它。
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Carol was completely innocent, but she lost her car nonetheless.
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卡罗尔完全是无辜的, 但不管怎样,她还是失去了她的车。
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In other words,
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换句话说,
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she was punished for a crime she did not commit.
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她因她并没有犯下的罪行 而受到了惩罚。
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When I read this, I was gobsmacked.
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当我读到这儿时,简直目瞪口呆。
04:24
How could this occur?
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这样的事情怎么可能发生呢?
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How is this even legal?
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这怎么能是合法的呢?
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It turns out, it began in our country with maritime law.
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原来,民事没收最早出现在 我国的海商法中。
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Early in our republic, the government sought to fight piracy --
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在建国初期,政府 致力于抗击海盗劫掠——
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yes, actual pirates.
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是的,是真正的海盗, 不是盗版行为。
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The problem was the government often couldn't catch the pirates,
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问题在于,政府经常无法抓到海盗,
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so instead it used civil forfeiture to convict the pirates' property
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取而代之的是,政府使用 民事没收给海盗的资产定罪,
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and take it,
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并且进行没收,
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and therefore deny the pirates their illegal profits.
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以此来收走海盗的不法资产。
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Of course, the government could've simply taken and kept the booty
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当然,政府本可以 不利用民事没收,
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without necessarily using civil forfeiture,
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而干脆直接收缴并保留这些赃物。
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but doing so would have violated
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但是这样做就会违反
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our most basic due process and property rights.
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我们最基本的正当法律程序 和财产所有权。
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Now, the government rarely used civil forfeiture until the 1980s
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直到 1980 年代,政府 都很少使用民事没收,
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and the war on drugs.
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接着禁毒战争就来了。
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We expanded civil forfeiture law to cover drug crimes
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我们把民事没收法扩充到了 毒品犯罪领域,
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and then later, other types of crime.
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后来又涵盖了其它 各种类型的犯罪。
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Canada and the European Union adopted similar provisions
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加拿大和欧盟也采取了类似的法规,
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so that now all kinds of people are ensnared in the forfeiture web,
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以至于现在各种各样的人 都陷入了民事没收的泥淖中,
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people like Russ Caswell.
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比如罗斯 · 卡斯韦尔(Russ Caswell)。
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Russ Caswell owned a small budget motel in Tewksbury, Massachusetts.
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罗斯 · 卡斯韦尔在马萨诸塞州图克斯伯里 拥有一家小型的廉价汽车旅馆。
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His father built the motel in 1955, and Russ took it over in the 1980s.
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他的父亲在 1955 年建造了旅馆, 罗斯在 1980 年代接手了它。
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During the years that Russ owned the motel,
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在罗斯拥有旅馆的那些年里,
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from time to time, people would rent rooms,
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不时地,有人们会租用房间,
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and they would commit drug crimes.
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并在里面进行毒品犯罪。
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Russ didn't condone the activities --
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罗斯那时并没有纵容这些行为——
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in fact, whenever he found out about it, he would immediately call police.
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实际上,每次他发现这种事情时, 他都会立马报警。
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Russ was entirely innocent of any crime,
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罗斯与任何罪行都是 完全无关的。
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but that did not stop the US Department of Justice from seizing his motel
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但是这并没有阻止美国司法部 查封他的汽车旅馆,
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simply because other people committed crimes there.
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仅仅因为有其他人 在这里进行过犯罪。
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But Russ's case was not alone.
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但罗斯的例子并不是个例。
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Between 1997 and 2016,
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在 1997 到 2016 年间,
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the US Department of Justice took more than 635,000 properties.
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美国司法部没收了超过 63 万 5 千件财产。
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This means each year,
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这意味着每一年里,
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tens of thousands of people lose their properties
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就会有数万人在从没有被起诉 或者任何罪名的情况下,
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in cases in which they're never charged or convicted of any crime.
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失去他们的财产。
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And we're not necessarily talking about major drug kingpins
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我们讨论的并不是那些牵扯了 少则几百万,多则数十万美元案子的
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or headline-grabbing financial fraudsters
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大毒枭们,
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whose cases involve hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars.
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或者那些极受关注的金融诈骗犯们。
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Many of these seizures and forfeitures involve just everyday people
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很多起查封和没收案件 涉及的仅仅是普通人,
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like Russ Caswell
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就好比罗斯 · 卡斯韦尔,
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or you
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或者你们,
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or me.
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或者我自己。
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But it gets worse.
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还有更糟糕的。
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Are you wondering:
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你们有没有感到疑惑:
所有这些现金和财产 最后到哪里去了呢?
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Where does all this cash and property end up?
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06:57
In most places, law enforcement keeps it.
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在大多数地方, 这些财物由执法机关保管。
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And they use it to buy equipment
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他们使用这些东西去购买设备
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or pay for building repairs
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或者进行建筑维护,
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or even pay salaries and overtime.
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甚至用以支付工资和加班费。
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This is a clear conflict of interest.
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这种行为是很明显的利益冲突。
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It creates a perverse profit incentive that can distort law enforcement.
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这提供了一种会扭曲执法行为 的非正当利益激励。
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And this is a problem that's not lost on those in law enforcement, either.
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对于执法机关内部,在这件事情上 没有迷失的人来说,这也同样是个问题。
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Former chief of police in Rochester, Minnesota, Roger Peterson,
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明尼苏达州罗切斯特的前警察局长 罗杰 · 彼得森(Roger Peterson)
描述了警官时常会面临的选择。
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described the choice that police officers often face.
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As he described it:
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在他的描述中:
假设我是一名警官,
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suppose I'm a police officer,
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07:32
and I see a drug deal.
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我看到了一场毒品交易。
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Now I face a choice:
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那么现在我就面临一个抉择:
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Do I go after the buyer and remove from the street illegal drugs,
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我是追寻买家并且清除 街头的非法毒品呢,
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or do I go after the seller
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还是去追逐卖家,
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and get cash for my agency to use?
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以此为自己所在的部门谋利呢?
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So it's easy to see why a police officer might go for the cash.
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所以很容易就知道为什么警官 可能会选择去追查现金了。
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It was just such a circumstance
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正是这样的大环境
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that compelled police officers in Philadelphia to seize an entire house.
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迫使费城的警官查封了一整栋房屋。
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In 2014, Chris and Markela Sourovelis' son sold 40 dollars worth of drugs
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在 2014 年,克里斯(Chris)和 玛克拉 · 苏罗威利斯(Markela Sourovelis)
夫妇的儿子在他们居住的这条街上 出售了价值 40 美元的毒品。
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down the street from their house.
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Forty dollars.
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就 40 美元。
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The police watched the deal go down.
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警察眼看着交易进行下去。
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They could've arrested the buyer and confiscated the drugs,
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他们本可以逮捕买家并且 没收所购的毒品,
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but they didn't.
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但是他们没有这么做。
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They could've arrested the Sourovelises' son
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他们本来可以当场在街上
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right there on the street
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逮捕苏罗威利斯夫妇的儿子,
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and grabbed 40 dollars.
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并取走这 40 美元。
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But they didn't.
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但是他们也没有。
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They waited to arrest him at home,
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他们等到他到家才开始抓捕,
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because then they could seize their entire house.
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因为这样他们就可以收缴 他们的整套房屋。
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The house was worth 350,000 dollars.
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这套房子价值 35 万美元。
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That is what I mean by a perverse profit incentive.
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就是我所说的不正当的利益激励。
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But the Sourovelises' case was no outlier.
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但苏罗威利斯夫妇的案例 并不是极端情况。
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Philadelphia, the "City of Brotherly Love,"
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费城,被称为“友爱之城”、
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the "Athens of America,"
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“美洲大陆的雅典”、
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the "Cradle of Liberty," birthplace to the Constitution,
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“自由的摇篮”、宪法的诞生地、
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home to the Liberty Bell and Independence Hall,
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自由钟和独立纪念馆的所在地、
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the "City that Loves you Back" --
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“爱你之市”——
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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that Philadelphia was running a forfeiture machine.
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我们所知的那个费城 正开动着一台“没收机器”。
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Between 2002 and 2016,
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在 2002 到 2016 年间,
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Philadelphia took more than 77 million dollars through forfeiture,
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费城通过没收获得了 超过 7700 万美元,
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including 1,200 homes.
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其中包括 1200 栋房屋。
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Cars, jewelry, electronics -- all of it they sold,
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汽车、珠宝、电子产品—— 他们把所有通过变卖所产生的收益
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the proceeds they kept.
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据为己有。
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And they would have kept right on doing it,
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而且他们会持续不断地这样做,
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had it not been for a class-action lawsuit --
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直到发生了一场集体诉讼——
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our team's class-action lawsuit --
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一场由我们团队提出的集体诉讼。
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(Applause and cheers)
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(掌声和欢呼)
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
09:48
We forced them to change their forfeiture practices
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我们强制他们改变了 他们的没收行为
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and to compensate victims.
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并且去赔偿受害者。
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(Applause and cheers)
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(掌声和欢呼)
09:59
When our team first began researching forfeiture in 2007,
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当我们的团队在 2007 年 首次研究民事没收时,
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we had no idea how much forfeiture revenue there was.
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我们完全不知道没收 所带来的收入能有多少。
10:07
In fact, no one knew.
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事实上,当时没有任何人知道。
10:09
It wasn't until our groundbreaking study, "Policing for Profit,"
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直到我们突破性的研究, “警察为盈利而执法”的出现,
10:12
that we found federal law enforcement agencies have taken in
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我们发现联邦执法部门
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almost 40 billion dollars --
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自从 2001 年起已经没收了
10:20
billion with a B --
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接近 400 亿美元——
10:22
since 2001,
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单位是亿——
10:24
more than 80 percent of that through civil forfeiture.
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其中超过 80% 的金额是 通过民事没收得到的。
10:29
Unfortunately, we have no idea
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然而遗憾的是,我们完全不知道
10:31
how much state and local agencies have taken in,
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州和地方机关没收了多少,
10:34
because in many states, they don't have to report it.
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因为很多州无需上报这项数字。
10:38
So until we reform forfeiture,
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所以直到我们对没收进行改革前,
10:40
we'll never know how much forfeiture activity actually occurs
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我们都不会知道 美国到底发生了多少次
民事没收行为。
10:44
in the United States.
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And we desperately need reform.
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我们迫切地需要进行改革。
10:49
Legislatures should abolish civil forfeiture
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立法机关应该废除民事没收,
10:52
and replace it with criminal forfeiture.
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并且用刑事没收来替代它。
10:55
And all forfeiture proceeds should go to a neutral fund
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所有的没收产生的收益都应该 放进市场中性基金里,
10:59
such as a general fund.
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比如普通基金里。
11:01
When forfeiture proceeds stop hitting law enforcement budgets directly,
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当执行没收的收益不再直接 影响执法部门的预算,
11:05
that is when we will end policing for profit.
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警察为盈利而执法才能终结。
11:10
(Applause)
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(掌声)
11:17
Now, as you can imagine,
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那么很显然,
11:20
law enforcement officials don't love these recommendations.
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执法人员不会欢迎这些建议。
11:23
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:25
They stand to lose a lot of money,
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他们面临失去大量的收入,
11:27
and they believe civil forfeiture is an effective crime-fighting tool.
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而且他们相信民事没收是 打击犯罪的有效工具。
11:33
The trouble is,
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但问题是,
11:34
it's not.
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这种方法实际上收效甚微。
11:36
In June 2019, we released a study
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在 2019 年 6 月,我们 发布了一项研究,
11:39
that found forfeiture does not improve crime-fighting.
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表明没收行为并没有改善犯罪打击。
11:43
And the report also found
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报告同时发现,
11:45
that law enforcement agencies pursue more forfeiture money
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执法部门在经济衰退时
想要获取更多的没收收益。
11:49
during economic downturns.
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11:52
So when city and county budgets are tight,
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所以当市县的财政预算吃紧时,
11:55
law enforcement will use forfeiture to find the money.
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执法机关就会通过实施 民事没收去赚钱。
11:58
So it's no wonder, then,
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所以难怪,
12:00
that law enforcement officials predict a criminal apocalypse --
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执法人员能够预测犯罪末日——
12:05
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:06
if these reforms are adopted.
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如果这些改革被推行的话。
12:09
But some states have already implemented them,
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但有些州已经在实施这些变革了,
12:11
and we're pushing for reform all across the country,
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并且我们正在全国范围内 推广这项改革,
12:14
because until we reform forfeiture,
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因为在我们完全改变 民事没收制度之前,
12:17
this is something that could happen to any of us.
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任何人都有可能受其影响。
12:20
It can happen in the United States,
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民事没收可能发生在美国、
12:22
it can happen in the United Kingdom,
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可能发生在英国、
12:24
it can happen in countries throughout the European Union
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可能发生在欧盟的任何一个国家,
12:27
and beyond.
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以及其他很多地方。
12:29
People like you and me and the Sourovelises and Russ Caswell,
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像你、我、苏罗威利斯夫妇和 罗斯 · 卡斯韦尔这样
12:33
just doing the everyday stuff of life,
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安分守己,遵纪守法的普通人,
12:36
can be caught in a scheme we never thought possible.
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都有可能陷入到我们 从未预料过的计谋。
12:40
It is time we end policing for profit
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是时候永久终结
12:44
once and for all.
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警察为盈利而执法了。
12:46
Thank you.
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谢谢。
12:48
(Applause and cheers)
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(掌声和欢呼)
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