The injustice of "policing for profit" -- and how to end it | Dick M. Carpenter II

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืชืจื’ื•ื: Yael Ring ืขืจื™ื›ื”: Tal Hemu
00:12
Picture yourself driving down the road tomorrow,
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ื“ืžื™ื™ื ื• ืฉืืชื ื ื•ื”ื’ื™ื ื‘ื›ื‘ื™ืฉ ืžื—ืจ,
00:16
heading somewhere to buy an item you found on Craigslist,
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ื‘ื“ืจืš ืœืืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ืœืงื ื•ืช ืžื•ืฆืจ ืฉืžืฆืืชื ื‘-Craigslist,
00:21
perhaps a nice mountain bike for 3,000 dollars.
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ืื•ืœื™ ื–ื•ื’ ืื•ืคื ื™ ื”ืจื™ื ื ื—ืžื“ ืขื‘ื•ืจ 3,000 ื“ื•ืœืจ.
00:25
At that price, it's probably one of those bikes
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ื‘ืžื—ื™ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื‘ื˜ื— ืื—ื“ ืžื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ื”ืืœื”
00:27
with a little electric motor on it --
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ืขื ืžื ื•ืข ื—ืฉืžืœื™ --
00:29
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
00:30
maybe some streamers from the handlebars.
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ืื•ืœื™ ืกืจื˜ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื™ื“ื™ื•ืช.
00:32
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
00:34
The seller has declared this a cash-only deal,
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ื”ืžื•ื›ืจ ื”ื›ืจื™ื– ืขืœ ืขืกืงื” ื‘ืžื–ื•ืžืŸ ื‘ืœื‘ื“,
00:37
so you have, in the console of your car, 3,000 dollars.
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ื›ืš ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืืชื›ื ื‘ืจื›ื‘, 3,000 ื“ื•ืœืจ.
00:41
Suddenly, you are pulled over.
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ืคืชืื•ื, ืžืฉื˜ืจื” ืขื•ืฆืจืช ืืชื›ื.
00:45
During the stop, the officer asks,
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ืชื•ืš ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ืขื•ืฆืจ ืืชื›ื, ื”ืฉื•ื˜ืจ ืฉื•ืืœ,
00:47
"Do you have any drugs, weapons or large amounts of cash in your car?"
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"ื”ืื ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืกืžื™ื, ื›ืœื™ ื ืฉืง ืื• ืกื›ื•ืžื™ ื›ืกืฃ ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื ื‘ืจื›ื‘?"
00:54
You truthfully answer, "Yes,"
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ืืชื ืขื•ื ื™ื ื‘ื›ื ื•ืช, "ื›ืŸ",
00:55
not to the drugs or to the weapons,
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ืœื ืœืกืžื™ื ืื• ืœื›ืœื™ ื”ื ืฉืง,
00:57
but to the cash.
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ืืœื ืœืžื–ื•ืžื ื™ื.
00:59
In the blink of an eye, you are ordered out of your car.
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ืชื•ืš ื“ืงื” ืืชื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ื”ื•ืจืื” ืœืฆืืช ืžื”ืจื›ื‘.
01:03
The officer searches it and finds your cash.
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ื”ืฉื•ื˜ืจ ืขื•ืจืš ื—ื™ืคื•ืฉ ื‘ืจื›ื‘ ื•ืžื•ืฆื ืืช ื”ื›ืกืฃ ืฉืœื›ื.
01:08
On the spot, he seizes it,
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ืขืœ ื”ืžืงื•ื, ื”ื•ื ืžื—ืจื™ื ืื•ืชื•,
01:10
and he says he suspects it's part of a drug crime.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ื—ื•ืฉื“ ืฉื–ื” ื—ืœืง ืžืขืกืงืช ืกืžื™ื.
01:14
A few days later,
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ืื—ืจื™ ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื,
01:15
the local district attorney files paperwork to keep your money --
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ืขื•ืจืš ื”ื“ื™ืŸ ื”ืžื—ื•ื–ื™ ื”ืžืงื•ืžื™ ืžื’ื™ืฉ ืžืกืžื›ื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื›ืกืฃ ืฉืœืš --
01:19
permanently.
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ืœืชืžื™ื“.
01:21
And all of this happens
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ื•ื›ืœ ื–ื” ืงื•ืจื”
01:22
without you ever being charged or convicted of any crime.
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ืžื‘ืœื™ ืฉืื™ ืคืขื ื”ื•ืืฉืžืช ืื• ื ืฉืคื˜ืช ืขืœ ืขื‘ื™ืจื” ื›ืœืฉื”ื™.
01:27
Now, you might be saying,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืืชื ืื•ืœื™ ืื•ืžืจื™ื,
01:28
"Ah, this would never happen in the United States."
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"ื–ื” ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ื™ืงืจื” ื‘ืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช".
01:32
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:36
Incidents like this occur every day in our country.
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ืžืงืจื™ื ื›ืืœื” ืžืชืจื—ืฉื™ื ื‘ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื ื‘ืžื“ื™ื ื” ืฉืœื ื•.
01:39
It's one of the most significant threats to your property rights
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ื–ื” ืื—ื“ ื”ืื™ื•ืžื™ื ื”ืžืฉืžืขื•ืชื™ื™ื ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืจื›ื•ืฉ ืฉืœื›ื
01:43
most people have never even heard of.
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ื•ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืฉืžืขื• ืขืœื™ื•.
01:45
It's called "civil forfeiture."
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ื–ื” ื ืงืจื "ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™".
01:49
Most of you are generally aware of criminal forfeiture,
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ืจื•ื‘ื›ื ืžื•ื“ืขื™ื ืคื—ื•ืช ืื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืคืœื™ืœื™,
01:52
although the term itself might be a little unfamiliar,
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ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉื”ืžื•ื ื— ืขืฆืžื• ืื•ืœื™ ืคื—ื•ืช ืžื•ื›ืจ ืœื›ื,
01:54
so let's begin with forfeiture.
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ืื– ื‘ื ื ืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜.
01:57
When we forfeit something, we give up that thing,
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ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื—ืœื˜ื™ื ืžืฉื”ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื•ื•ืชืจื™ื ืขืœื™ื•,
01:59
or we're forced to give it up.
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ืื• ืฉืžื›ืจื™ื—ื™ื ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื•ื•ืชืจ ืขืœื™ื•.
02:02
In criminal forfeiture,
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ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืคืœื™ืœื™,
02:03
someone is charged and convicted of a crime,
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžื•ืืฉื ื•ื ืฉืคื˜ ืขืœ ืคืฉืข,
02:06
and therefore, they have to give up property related to that crime.
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ื•ืœื›ืŸ, ืขืœื™ื”ื ืœื•ื•ืชืจ ืขืœ ื”ืจื›ื•ืฉ ื”ืงืฉื•ืจ ืœืื•ืชื• ืคืฉืข.
02:11
For example, suppose you use your car to transport and deal drugs.
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ืœื“ื•ื’ืžื”, ื ื ื™ื— ืฉืืชื ืžืฉืชืžืฉื™ื ื‘ืจื›ื‘ ืฉืœื›ื ืœื”ืขื‘ื™ืจ ืื• ืœืกื—ื•ืจ ื‘ืกืžื™ื.
02:16
You're caught and convicted;
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ืืชื ื ืชืคืกื™ื ื•ื ืฉืคื˜ื™ื;
02:18
now you have to give up or forfeit your car
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืขืœื™ื›ื ืœื•ื•ืชืจ ืื• ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ ืฉืœื›ื
02:21
as part of the sentencing.
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ื›ื—ืœืง ืžื’ื–ืจ ื”ื“ื™ืŸ.
02:23
That's criminal forfeiture.
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ื–ื” ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืคืœื™ืœื™.
02:26
But in civil forfeiture, no person is charged with a crime --
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™, ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืžื•ืืฉื ื‘ืคืฉืข --
02:32
the property is charged and convicted of a crime.
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ื”ืจื›ื•ืฉ ืขืฆืžื• ืžื•ืืฉื ื•ื ืฉืคื˜ ื‘ืคืฉืข.
02:37
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:38
You heard that correctly:
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ืฉืžืขืชื ื ื›ื•ืŸ:
02:39
the government actually convicts an inanimate object with a crime.
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ื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ืœืžืขืฉื” ืžืจืฉื™ืขื” ื—ืคืฅ ื“ื•ืžื ื‘ืคืฉืข.
02:45
It's as if that thing itself committed the crime.
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ื›ืื™ืœื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ืขืฆืžื• ื‘ื™ืฆืข ืืช ื”ืคืฉืข.
02:49
That's why civil forfeiture cases have these really peculiar names,
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ื•ืœื›ืŸ ืœืžืงืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™ ื™ืฉ ืืช ื”ืฉืžื•ืช ื”ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื•ื–ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”,
02:53
like, "The United States of America v. One 1990 Ford Thunderbird."
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ื›ืžื•, "ืืจื”"ื‘ ื ื’ื“ ืจื›ื‘ ืคื•ืจื“ ืžืกื•ื’ ืช'ื ื“ืจื‘ืจื“ ืžืฉื ืช 1990".
02:59
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:01
Or "The State of Oklahoma v. 53,234 Dollars in Cash."
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ืื• "ืžื“ื™ื ืช ืื•ืงืœื”ื•ืžื” ื ื’ื“ 53,234 ื“ื•ืœืจื™ื ื‘ืžื–ื•ืžืŸ".
03:07
(Laughter)
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03:08
Or my personal favorite:
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ืื• ื”ืื”ื•ื‘ ืขืœื™ื™:
03:10
"The United States of America v. One Solid Gold Object
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"ืืจื”"ื‘ ื ื’ื“ ื—ืคืฅ ืžื–ื”ื‘ ื˜ื”ื•ืจ
03:14
in the Form of a Rooster."
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ื‘ืฆื•ืจืช ืชืจื ื’ื•ืœ".
03:16
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:20
Now, you're thinking:
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืืชื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื:
03:21
How does something like this happen?
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ืื™ืš ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื” ืงื•ืจื”?
03:23
That's exactly what I said when I first learned about civil forfeiture
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ื–ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™ ื›ืฉืœืžื“ืชื™ ืœืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืขืœ ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™
03:27
while on a road trip with my wife.
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ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื˜ื™ื•ืœ ืขื ืืฉืชื™.
03:29
No, we did not get pulled over.
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ืœื, ืœื ืขืฆืจื• ืื•ืชื ื•.
03:31
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:32
I was reading about the history of civil forfeiture
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ืงืจืืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ื”ื™ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ื” ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ื”ืื–ืจื—ื™
03:35
as part of my work as a research director at the law firm,
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ื›ื—ืœืง ืžืขื‘ื•ื“ืชื™ ื›ืžื ื”ืœ ืžื—ืงืจ ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ ืขื•ืจื›ื™ ื“ื™ืŸ,
03:38
and I came across one of the cases I just mentioned,
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ื›ืฉื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืืช ืื—ื“ ื”ืžืงืจื™ื ืฉื”ื–ื›ืจืชื™.
03:41
"The United States of America v. One 1990 Ford Thunderbird."
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"ืืจื”"ื‘ ื ื’ื“ ืจื›ื‘ ืคื•ืจื“ ืช'ื ื“ืจื‘ืจื“ ืžืฉื ืช 1990".
03:46
In that case, Carol Thomas loaned her car to her son.
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ื‘ืžืงืจื” ื”ื–ื”, ืงืจื•ืœ ืชื•ืžืก ื”ืฉืื™ืœื” ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ ืฉืœื” ืœื‘ื ื”.
03:51
While in the car, her son committed a minor drug crime.
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ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื ื”ื’ ื‘ืจื›ื‘, ื‘ื ื” ื‘ื™ืฆืข ืคืฉืข ืกืžื™ื ืงืœ.
03:55
Carol didn't commit any crime,
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ืงืจื•ืœ ืœื ื‘ื™ืฆืขื” ืฉื•ื ืคืฉืข,
03:58
so law enforcement couldn't convict her and take the car,
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ืื– ื”ืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืื•ื›ืคื•ืช ืœื ื™ื›ืœื• ืœื”ืจืฉื™ืข ืื•ืชื” ื•ืœืงื—ืช ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘,
04:01
but they could -- and did --
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืŸ ื™ื›ืœื• - ื•ืื›ืŸ ื”ืฉืชืžืฉื• -
04:04
use civil forfeiture to "convict the car" and take it.
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ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™ ื›ื“ื™ "ืœื”ืจืฉื™ืข ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘" ื•ืœืงื—ืช ืื•ืชื•.
04:10
Carol was completely innocent, but she lost her car nonetheless.
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ืงืจื•ืœ ื”ื™ืชื” ื—ืคื” ืžืคืฉืข ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ื™ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ืื™ื‘ื“ื” ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ ืฉืœื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช.
04:14
In other words,
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ื‘ืžื™ืœื™ื ืื—ืจื•ืช,
04:15
she was punished for a crime she did not commit.
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ื”ื™ื ื ืขื ืฉื” ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืคืฉืข ืฉื”ื™ื ืœื ื‘ื™ืฆืขื”.
04:19
When I read this, I was gobsmacked.
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ื›ืฉืงืจืืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื”ืœื ืžื•ื—ืœื˜.
04:24
How could this occur?
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ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืงืจื•ืช?
04:25
How is this even legal?
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ืื™ืš ื–ื” ืืคื™ืœื• ื—ื•ืงื™?
04:28
It turns out, it began in our country with maritime law.
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ืžืกืชื‘ืจ ืฉื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘ืžื“ื™ื ื” ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ืžืฉืคื˜ ื™ืžื™.
04:31
Early in our republic, the government sought to fight piracy --
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ืžื•ืงื“ื ื‘ื™ืžื™ ื”ืจืคื•ื‘ืœื™ืงื” ืฉืœื ื•, ื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ืจืฆืชื” ืœื”ื™ืœื—ื ื‘ืคื™ืจืื˜ื™ื•ืช --
04:35
yes, actual pirates.
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ื›ืŸ, ืฉื•ื“ื“ื™ ื™ื ืžืžืฉ.
04:37
The problem was the government often couldn't catch the pirates,
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ื”ื‘ืขื™ื” ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ืœื ื™ื›ืœื” ืœืชืคื•ืก ืืช ืฉื•ื“ื“ื™ ื”ื™ื,
04:41
so instead it used civil forfeiture to convict the pirates' property
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ืื– ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ื™ื ื”ืฉืชืžืฉื” ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™ ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืจืฉื™ืข ืืช ืจื›ื•ืฉื ืฉืœ ื”ืคื™ืจืื˜ื™ื
04:45
and take it,
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ื•ืœืงื—ืช ืื•ืชื•,
04:46
and therefore deny the pirates their illegal profits.
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ื•ืขืงื‘ ื›ืš ื”ื™ื ืฉืœืœื” ืžื”ืคื™ืจืื˜ื™ื ืืช ื”ืจื•ื•ื—ื™ื ื”ื‘ืœืชื™ ื—ื•ืงื™ื™ื ืฉืœื”ื.
04:50
Of course, the government could've simply taken and kept the booty
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ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ืœื ื™ื›ืœื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœืงื—ืช ื•ืœื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืืช ื”ืฉืœืœ
04:53
without necessarily using civil forfeiture,
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ืžื‘ืœื™ ืœื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™ ื‘ื”ื›ืจื—,
04:55
but doing so would have violated
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ืื‘ืœ ืžืขืฉื” ืฉื›ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืคืจ
04:57
our most basic due process and property rights.
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ืืช ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ื—ื•ืงื™ ื”ื‘ืกื™ืกื™ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ื•ื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืจื›ื•ืฉ ืฉืœื ื•.
05:01
Now, the government rarely used civil forfeiture until the 1980s
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ื‘ืงื•ืฉื™ ื”ืฉืชืžืฉื” ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ื”ืื–ืจื—ื™ ืขื“ ืฉื ื•ืช ื”-80
05:06
and the war on drugs.
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ื•ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื‘ืกืžื™ื.
05:11
We expanded civil forfeiture law to cover drug crimes
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืจื—ื‘ื ื• ืืช ื—ื•ืง ื”ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ื”ืื–ืจื—ื™ ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื™ื›ืกื” ืืช ืคืฉืขื™ ื”ืกืžื™ื
05:14
and then later, other types of crime.
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ื•ืื– ืžืื•ื—ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืกื•ื’ื™ ืกืžื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื.
05:17
Canada and the European Union adopted similar provisions
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ืงื ื“ื” ื•ื”ืื™ื—ื•ื“ ื”ืื™ืจื•ืคืื™ ืื™ืžืฆื• ื—ื•ืงื™ื ื“ื•ืžื™ื
05:20
so that now all kinds of people are ensnared in the forfeiture web,
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ื›ืš ืฉืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื ื ืœื›ื“ื™ื ื‘ืกื‘ืš ื”ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜,
05:26
people like Russ Caswell.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื• ืจื•ืก ืงืกื•ื•ืœ.
05:30
Russ Caswell owned a small budget motel in Tewksbury, Massachusetts.
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ืจื•ืก ืงืกื•ื•ืœ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขืœื™ื• ืฉืœ ืžืœื•ื ื™ืช ืงื˜ื ื” ื‘ื•ื•ืงืกื‘ื•ืจื™, ืžืกืฆ'ื•ืกื˜ืก.
05:34
His father built the motel in 1955, and Russ took it over in the 1980s.
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ืื‘ื™ื• ื‘ื ื” ืืช ื”ืžืœื•ื ื™ืช ื‘-1955, ื•ืจื•ืก ื™ืจืฉ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉืžื•ื ื™ื.
05:41
During the years that Russ owned the motel,
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ื‘ืžื”ืœืš ื”ืฉื ื™ื ืฉืจื•ืก ื ื™ื”ืœ ืืช ื”ืžืœื•ื ื™ืช,
05:44
from time to time, people would rent rooms,
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ืžืคืขื ืœืคืขื, ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื›ืจื• ื—ื“ืจื™ื,
05:46
and they would commit drug crimes.
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ื•ื”ื™ื• ืžื‘ืฆืขื™ื ื‘ื”ื ืคืฉืขื™ ืกืžื™ื.
05:49
Russ didn't condone the activities --
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ืจื•ืก ืœื ื”ืชื™ืจ ืืช ื”ืžืขืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื” --
05:51
in fact, whenever he found out about it, he would immediately call police.
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ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื‘ื›ืœ ืคืขื ืฉื”ื•ื ื’ื™ืœื” ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื”ื•ื ืžื™ื™ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืžืชืงืฉืจ ืœืžืฉื˜ืจื”.
05:55
Russ was entirely innocent of any crime,
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ืจื•ืก ื”ื™ื” ื—ืฃ ืžื›ืœ ืคืฉืข,
05:58
but that did not stop the US Department of Justice from seizing his motel
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ืขืฆืจ ืžืžืฉืจื“ ื”ืžืฉืคื˜ื™ื ืฉืœ ืืจื”"ื‘ ืœื”ื—ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ืžืœื•ื ื™ืช ืฉืœื•
06:03
simply because other people committed crimes there.
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื›ื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ื‘ื™ืฆืขื• ืฉื ืคืฉืขื™ื.
06:08
But Russ's case was not alone.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืžืงืจื” ืฉืœ ืจื•ืก ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงืจื” ื‘ื•ื“ื“.
06:11
Between 1997 and 2016,
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ื‘ื™ืŸ 1997 ื•-2016,
06:14
the US Department of Justice took more than 635,000 properties.
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ืžืฉืจื“ ื”ืžืฉืคื˜ื™ื ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ ื”ื—ืจื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืž-635 ืืœืฃ ื—ืœืงื•ืช ืจื›ื•ืฉ.
06:21
This means each year,
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ื›ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉื‘ื›ืœ ืฉื ื”,
06:23
tens of thousands of people lose their properties
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ืขืฉืจื•ืช ืืœืคื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืื‘ื“ื™ื ืืช ืจื›ื•ืฉื
06:25
in cases in which they're never charged or convicted of any crime.
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ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืžืงืจื™ื ื‘ื”ื ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ื”ื•ืืฉืžื• ืื• ื ืฉืคื˜ื• ื‘ืืฃ ืคืฉืข.
06:29
And we're not necessarily talking about major drug kingpins
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ืกื•ื—ืจื™ ืกืžื™ื ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื ื‘ื”ื›ืจื—
06:33
or headline-grabbing financial fraudsters
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ืื• ื ื•ื›ืœื™ื ืคื™ื ื ืกื™ื™ื ื”ืชื•ืคืกื™ื ื›ื•ืชืจื•ืช-ืขืœ
06:37
whose cases involve hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars.
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ืฉื”ืคืฉืขื™ื ืฉืœื”ื ื›ืจื•ื›ื™ื ื‘ืžืื•ืช ืืœืคื™ ืื ืœื ืžื™ืœื™ื•ื ื™ ื“ื•ืœืจื™ื.
06:41
Many of these seizures and forfeitures involve just everyday people
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ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืžืงืจื™ ื”ื”ื—ืจืžื” ื”ืืœื” ืžืขืจื‘ื™ื ืื ืฉื™ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ื™ื
06:44
like Russ Caswell
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ื›ืžื• ืจื•ืก ืงืกื•ื•ืœ
06:46
or you
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ืื• ื›ืžื•ื›ื
06:47
or me.
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ืื• ื›ืžื•ื ื™.
06:49
But it gets worse.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื•ืœืš ื•ืžื—ืžื™ืจ.
06:51
Are you wondering:
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ืืชื ืชื•ื”ื™ื:
06:53
Where does all this cash and property end up?
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ืœื”ื™ื›ืŸ ืžื’ื™ืข ื›ืœ ื”ื›ืกืฃ ื•ื”ืจื›ื•ืฉ ื”ื–ื”?
06:57
In most places, law enforcement keeps it.
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ื‘ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืคืขืžื™ื, ื”ืจืฉื•ืช ื”ืื•ื›ืคืช ืฉื•ืžืจืช ืื•ืชื•.
07:00
And they use it to buy equipment
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ื•ื”ื ืžืฉืชืžืฉื™ื ื‘ื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœืงื ื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื“
07:03
or pay for building repairs
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ืื• ืœืฉืœื ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืฉื™ืคื•ืฆื™ ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ
07:06
or even pay salaries and overtime.
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ืื• ืืคื™ืœื• ืœืฉืœื ืžืฉื›ื•ืจื•ืช ื•ืฉืขื•ืช ื ื•ืกืคื•ืช.
07:10
This is a clear conflict of interest.
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ื–ื”ื• ืงื•ื ืคืœื™ืงื˜ ืื™ื ื˜ืจืกื™ื ื‘ืจื•ืจ.
07:12
It creates a perverse profit incentive that can distort law enforcement.
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ื”ื•ื ื™ื•ืฆืจ ืชืžืจื™ืฅ ืจื•ื•ื—ื™ื ืžื•ืฉื—ืช ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขื•ื•ืช ืืช ืื›ื™ืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืง.
07:17
And this is a problem that's not lost on those in law enforcement, either.
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ื•ื–ืืช ื‘ืขื™ื” ืฉืœื ื ืขืœืžื” ื’ื ืžืขื™ื ื™ ืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืื›ื™ืคื”.
07:21
Former chief of police in Rochester, Minnesota, Roger Peterson,
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ืžืคืงื“ ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจื” ืœืฉืขื‘ืจ ื‘ืจื•ืฆ'ืกื˜ืจ ืžื™ื ืกื•ื˜ื”, ืจื•ื’'ืจ ืคื™ื˜ืจืกื•ืŸ,
07:25
described the choice that police officers often face.
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ืชื™ืืจ ืืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืจื” ื”ืขื•ืžื“ืช ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ื‘ืคื ื™ ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจื”.
07:28
As he described it:
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืชื™ืืจ ืื•ืชื”:
07:30
suppose I'm a police officer,
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ื“ืžื™ื™ื ื• ืฉืื ื™ ืฉื•ื˜ืจ,
07:32
and I see a drug deal.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืจื•ืื” ืขืกืงืช ืกืžื™ื ืžืชืจื—ืฉืช.
07:34
Now I face a choice:
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืืช ื”ื‘ื—ื™ืจื”:
07:37
Do I go after the buyer and remove from the street illegal drugs,
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ื”ืื ืื ื™ ืจืฅ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืงื•ื ื” ื•ืžื•ืจื™ื“ ืžื”ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ืกืžื™ื ื”ื‘ืœืชื™ ื—ื•ืงื™ื™ื,
07:42
or do I go after the seller
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ืื• ื”ืื ืื ื™ ืจืฅ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžื•ื›ืจ
07:46
and get cash for my agency to use?
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ื•ืžืงื‘ืœ ื›ืกืฃ ืฉื”ืžืฉืจื“ ืฉืœื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ื•?
07:50
So it's easy to see why a police officer might go for the cash.
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ืื– ืงืœ ืœืจืื•ืช ืœืžื” ืฉื•ื˜ืจ ื™ืขื“ื™ืฃ ืœืœื›ืช ืื—ืจื™ ื”ื›ืกืฃ.
07:55
It was just such a circumstance
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ืžืงืจื” ื›ื–ื” ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ
07:56
that compelled police officers in Philadelphia to seize an entire house.
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ื’ืจื ืœืฉื•ื˜ืจื™ื ื‘ืคื™ืœื“ืœืคื™ื” ืœื”ื—ืจื™ื ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื.
08:03
In 2014, Chris and Markela Sourovelis' son sold 40 dollars worth of drugs
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ื‘-2014, ื‘ื ื ืฉืœ ื›ืจื™ืก ื•ืžืจืงืœื” ืกื•ืจื•ื‘ืœื™ืก ืžื›ืจ ืกืžื™ื ื‘ืฉื•ื•ื™ 40 ื“ื•ืœืจ
08:10
down the street from their house.
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ื‘ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืžื•ืœ ื‘ื™ืชื.
08:13
Forty dollars.
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ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื“ื•ืœืจ.
08:17
The police watched the deal go down.
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ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจื” ืฆืคืชื” ื‘ืขืกืงื” ืชื•ืš ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื”ืชืจื—ืฉื”.
08:20
They could've arrested the buyer and confiscated the drugs,
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ื”ื ื™ื›ืœื• ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืงื•ื ื” ื•ืœื”ื—ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ืกืžื™ื,
08:23
but they didn't.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœื ืขืฉื• ื–ืืช.
08:25
They could've arrested the Sourovelises' son
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ื”ื ื™ื›ืœื• ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ืืช ื‘ื ื ืฉืœ ื”ื–ื•ื’ ืกื•ืจื•ื‘ืœื™ืก
08:28
right there on the street
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ืขืœ ื”ืžืงื•ื, ื‘ืจื—ื•ื‘
08:29
and grabbed 40 dollars.
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ื•ืœืงื—ืช ืืช ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื”ื“ื•ืœืจื™ื.
08:32
But they didn't.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœื ืขืฉื• ื–ืืช.
08:33
They waited to arrest him at home,
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ื”ื ื—ื™ื›ื• ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช,
08:36
because then they could seize their entire house.
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ื›ื™ ืื– ื”ื ื™ื›ืœื• ืœื”ื—ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื›ื•ืœื•.
08:40
The house was worth 350,000 dollars.
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ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื•ื” 350 ืืœืฃ ื“ื•ืœืจ.
08:44
That is what I mean by a perverse profit incentive.
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ืœื–ื” ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืชืžืจื™ืฅ ืจื•ื•ื— ืžื•ืฉื—ืช.
08:49
But the Sourovelises' case was no outlier.
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ืื•ืœื ื”ืžืงืจื” ืฉืœ ื”ื–ื•ื’ ืกื•ืจื•ื‘ืœื™ืก ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงืจื” ืงื™ืฆื•ืŸ.
08:53
Philadelphia, the "City of Brotherly Love,"
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ืคื™ืœื“ืœืคื™ื”, "ื”ืขื™ืจ ืฉืœ ืื—ื•ื•ืช ื”ืื—ื™ื",
08:56
the "Athens of America,"
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"ื”ืืชื•ื ื” ืฉืœ ืืžืจื™ืงื”",
08:58
the "Cradle of Liberty," birthplace to the Constitution,
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"ืขืจืฉ ื”ื—ื™ืจื•ืช", ืžื•ืœื“ืชื” ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื•ืงื” ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ืช,
09:01
home to the Liberty Bell and Independence Hall,
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ื‘ื™ืชื• ืฉืœ ืคืขืžื•ืŸ ื”ื—ื™ืจื•ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื›ืœ ื”ืขืฆืžืื•ืช ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™,
09:03
the "City that Loves you Back" --
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"ื”ืขื™ืจ ืฉืื•ื”ื‘ืช ืื•ืชืš ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”" --
09:05
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
09:07
that Philadelphia was running a forfeiture machine.
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ืื•ืชื” ืคื™ืœื“ืœืคื™ื” ื”ืคืขื™ืœื” ืžื›ื•ื ืช ื”ื—ืจืžื•ืช.
09:13
Between 2002 and 2016,
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ื‘ื™ืŸ 2002-2016,
09:16
Philadelphia took more than 77 million dollars through forfeiture,
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ืคื™ืœื“ืœืคื™ื” ื”ืจื•ื•ื™ื—ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืž-77 ืžื™ืœื™ื•ืŸ ื“ื•ืœืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื”ื—ืจืžื•ืช,
09:22
including 1,200 homes.
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ื›ื•ืœืœ 1,200 ื‘ืชื™ื.
09:26
Cars, jewelry, electronics -- all of it they sold,
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ื›ืœื™ ืจื›ื‘, ืชื›ืฉื™ื˜ื™ื, ืžื•ืฆืจื™ ื—ืฉืžืœ -- ืืช ื›ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื ืžื›ืจื•,
09:30
the proceeds they kept.
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ื•ืฉืžืจื• ืืช ื”ืจื•ื•ื—ื™ื.
09:31
And they would have kept right on doing it,
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ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืžืฉื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช,
09:33
had it not been for a class-action lawsuit --
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ืื ืœื ื”ื™ืชื” ืชื‘ื™ืขื” ื™ื™ืฆื•ื’ื™ืช --
09:36
our team's class-action lawsuit --
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ื”ืชื‘ื™ืขื” ื”ื™ื™ืฆื•ื’ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื• --
09:38
(Applause and cheers)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื ื•ืงืจื™ืื•ืช)
09:47
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื”.
09:48
We forced them to change their forfeiture practices
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ื”ื›ืจื—ื ื• ืื•ืชื ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื ื”ืœื™ ื”ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืฉืœื”ื
09:51
and to compensate victims.
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ื•ืœืคืฆื•ืช ืืช ื”ืงื•ืจื‘ื ื•ืช.
09:54
(Applause and cheers)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื ื•ืงืจื™ืื•ืช)
09:59
When our team first began researching forfeiture in 2007,
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ื›ืฉื”ืฆื•ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื—ืงื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ื‘-2007,
10:03
we had no idea how much forfeiture revenue there was.
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ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืžื•ืฉื’ ื›ืžื” ืจื•ื•ื— ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ื”ื™ื” ืฉื.
10:07
In fact, no one knew.
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ืœืžืขืฉื”, ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ื™ื“ืข.
10:09
It wasn't until our groundbreaking study, "Policing for Profit,"
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ืจืง ื›ืฉื‘ื™ืฆืขื ื• ืืช ื”ืžื—ืงืจ ืคื•ืจืฅ ื”ื“ืจืš ืฉืœื ื•, "ืฉื™ื˜ื•ืจ ืœื—ื™ืœื•ื˜"
10:12
that we found federal law enforcement agencies have taken in
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ื’ื™ืœื™ื ื• ืฉืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืื›ื™ืคื” ื”ืคื“ืจืœื™ื•ืช ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื•
10:17
almost 40 billion dollars --
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ื™ื•ืชืจ ืž-40 ืžื™ืœื™ืืจื“ ื“ื•ืœืจ -
10:20
billion with a B --
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ืžื™ืœื™ืืจื“ -
10:22
since 2001,
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ืžืื– 2001,
10:24
more than 80 percent of that through civil forfeiture.
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ื™ื•ืชืจ ืž-80 ืื—ื•ื–ื™ื ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™.
10:29
Unfortunately, we have no idea
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ืœืจื•ืข ื”ืžื–ืœ, ืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ืžื•ืฉื’
10:31
how much state and local agencies have taken in,
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ื›ืžื” ื”ืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืžืงื•ืžื™ื•ืช ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื•,
10:34
because in many states, they don't have to report it.
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ื›ื™ ื‘ืžื“ื™ื ื•ืช ืจื‘ื•ืช ืื™ืŸ ืœื”ืŸ ื—ื•ื‘ืช ื“ื™ื•ื•ื—.
10:38
So until we reform forfeiture,
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ืื– ืขื“ ืฉื ืขืจื•ืš ืจืคื•ืจืžื” ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜,
10:40
we'll never know how much forfeiture activity actually occurs
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ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ื ื“ืข ื›ืžื” ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืžืชืจื—ืฉืช ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ
10:44
in the United States.
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ื‘ืืจื”"ื‘.
10:45
And we desperately need reform.
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื–ืงื•ืงื™ื ืœืจืคื•ืจืžื” ื”ื–ื• ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื ื•ืืฉ.
10:49
Legislatures should abolish civil forfeiture
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ื”ืžื—ื•ืงืงื™ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ื˜ืœ ืืช ื”ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ื”ืื–ืจื—ื™
10:52
and replace it with criminal forfeiture.
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ื•ืœื”ื—ืœื™ืฃ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืคืœื™ืœื™.
10:55
And all forfeiture proceeds should go to a neutral fund
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ื•ื›ืœ ืจื•ื•ื—ื™ ื”ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืœื›ืช ืœืงืจืŸ ื ื™ื™ื˜ืจืœื™ืช
10:59
such as a general fund.
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ื›ืžื• ืงืจืŸ ื›ืœืœื™ืช ืœื“ื•ื’ืžื”.
11:01
When forfeiture proceeds stop hitting law enforcement budgets directly,
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ื›ืฉืจื•ื•ื—ื™ ื”ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ื™ืคืกื™ืงื• ืœืจืคื“ ืืช ื”ืชืงืฆื™ื‘ื™ื ืฉืœ ืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืื›ื™ืคื” ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื™ืฉื™ืจ,
11:05
that is when we will end policing for profit.
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ืื– ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ืคืกื™ืง ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื˜ื•ืจ ืœืจื•ื•ื—ื™ื.
11:10
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
11:17
Now, as you can imagine,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื›ืคื™ ืฉืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื“ืžื™ื™ืŸ ืœืขืฆืžื›ื,
11:20
law enforcement officials don't love these recommendations.
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ื‘ื›ื™ืจื™ื ื‘ืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืื›ื™ืคื” ืœื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ื”ืžืœืฆื•ืช ื”ืืœื”.
11:23
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
11:25
They stand to lose a lot of money,
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ื”ื ืขืœื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืคืกื™ื“ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื›ืกืฃ,
11:27
and they believe civil forfeiture is an effective crime-fighting tool.
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ื•ื”ื ืžืืžื™ื ื™ื ืฉื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืื–ืจื—ื™ ื”ื•ื ื›ืœื™ ื™ืขื™ืœ ืœืœื—ื™ืžื” ื‘ืคืฉื™ืขื”.
11:33
The trouble is,
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ื”ื‘ืขื™ื” ื”ื™ื,
11:34
it's not.
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ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื.
11:36
In June 2019, we released a study
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ื‘ื™ื•ื ื™ 2019, ื”ื•ืฆืื ื• ืžื—ืงืจ
11:39
that found forfeiture does not improve crime-fighting.
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ืฉืžืฆื ืฉื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ืœื ืžืฉืคืจ ืืช ื”ืœื—ื™ืžื” ื‘ืคืฉื™ืขื”.
11:43
And the report also found
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ื•ื”ื“ื•"ื— ื’ื ืžืฆื
11:45
that law enforcement agencies pursue more forfeiture money
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ืฉืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ืื›ื™ืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืง ื”ืฉืชืžืฉื• ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืจื•ื•ื—ื™ ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜
11:49
during economic downturns.
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ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื•ืช ืฉืœ ืฉืคืœ ื›ืœื›ืœื™.
11:52
So when city and county budgets are tight,
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ืื– ื›ืฉืชืงืฆื™ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื™ืจ ื•ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื” ืžืฆื˜ืžืฆืžื™ื,
11:55
law enforcement will use forfeiture to find the money.
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ื”ืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ืžืฉืชืžืฉื•ืช ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜ ื›ื“ื™ ืœืžืฆื•ื ืืช ื”ื›ืกืฃ.
11:58
So it's no wonder, then,
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ืื™ืŸ ืคืœื, ืื ื›ืŸ,
12:00
that law enforcement officials predict a criminal apocalypse --
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ืฉื‘ื›ื™ืจื™ื ื‘ืจืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืื›ื™ืคื” ื—ื–ื• ืืคื•ืงืœื™ืคืกื” ืคืœื™ืœื™ืช --
12:05
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
12:06
if these reforms are adopted.
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ืื ื”ืจืคื•ืจืžื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ื™ืื•ืžืฆื•.
12:09
But some states have already implemented them,
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ืื‘ืœ ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืžื“ื™ื ื•ืช ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ื™ืฉืžื• ืื•ืชืŸ,
12:11
and we're pushing for reform all across the country,
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื“ื•ื—ืคื™ื ืœืจืคื•ืจืžื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื”,
12:14
because until we reform forfeiture,
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ื›ื™ ืขื“ ืฉืœื ื ืขืจื•ืš ืืช ื”ืจืคื•ืจืžื” ื‘ื—ื™ืœื•ื˜,
12:17
this is something that could happen to any of us.
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ื–ื”ื• ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืงืจื•ืช ืœื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ืžืืชื ื•.
12:20
It can happen in the United States,
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ื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืงืจื•ืช ื‘ืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช,
12:22
it can happen in the United Kingdom,
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ื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืงืจื•ืช ื‘ื‘ืจื™ื˜ื ื™ื”,
12:24
it can happen in countries throughout the European Union
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ื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืงืจื•ืช ื‘ืžื“ื™ื ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืื™ื—ื•ื“ ื”ืื™ืจื•ืคืื™
12:27
and beyond.
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ื•ืžืขื‘ืจ ืœื•.
12:29
People like you and me and the Sourovelises and Russ Caswell,
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื•ื ื™ ื•ื›ืžื•ื›ื ื•ื”ื–ื•ื’ ืกื•ืจื•ื‘ืœื™ืก ื•ืจื•ืก ืงืกื•ื•ืœ,
12:33
just doing the everyday stuff of life,
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ืฉืคืฉื•ื˜ ืคื•ืขืœื™ื ื‘ืฉื’ืจืช ื—ื™ื™ื”ื,
12:36
can be caught in a scheme we never thought possible.
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ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ื™ืงืœืข ืœืกื‘ืš ืฉืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ืืคืฉืจื™.
12:40
It is time we end policing for profit
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ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื ืคืกื™ืง ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื˜ื•ืจ ืœื—ื™ืœื•ื˜
12:44
once and for all.
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ืคืขื ืื—ืช ื•ืœืชืžื™ื“.
12:46
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื”.
12:48
(Applause and cheers)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื ื•ืงืจื™ืื•ืช)
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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