The human stories behind mass incarceration | Eve Abrams

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翻译人员: Wei Houjun 校对人员: Peipei Xiang
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I have never been arrested,
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我从没被捕过,
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never spent a night in jail,
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从没在监狱待过一个晚上,
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never had a loved one thrown into the back of a squad car
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从没看过我爱的人被丢进警车后座,
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or behind bars,
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或坐牢,
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or be at the mercy of a scary, confusing system
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或者任由一个可怕、混乱的体制摆布。
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that at best sees them with indifference,
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这个体制最好情况下对他们冷漠以对,
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and at worst as monstrous.
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最坏情况下则像怪物一样看待他们。
00:32
The United States of America locks up more people than any other nation
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美国监禁的人
比这个地球上任何国家都多,
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on the planet,
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and Louisiana is our biggest incarcerator.
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路易斯安那州则是我们最大的监禁者。
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Most of you are probably like me --
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你们大多数人很可能像我一样——
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lucky.
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是幸运的。
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The closest we get to crime and punishment is likely what we see on TV.
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我们最多大概就是 在电视上看到罪犯与惩罚。
在制作 《被释》节目时,
00:50
While making "Unprisoned,"
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I met a woman who used to be like us --
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我遇到个过去也和我们一样的女人——
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Sheila Phipps.
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席拉 · 菲普斯。
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(Recording) Sheila Phipps: Before my son went to jail,
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(录音)席拉 · 菲普斯: 在我儿子进监狱以前,
00:58
I used to see people be on television,
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我常常在电视上看到人们争吵,
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fighting, saying, "Oh, this person didn't do it and this person is innocent."
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说,“哦,这个人没有干这事, 这人是无辜的。”
01:03
And you know, you snub them or you dismiss them,
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而你通常是嗤之以鼻或置若罔闻:
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and like, "Yeah, whatever."
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“呃,管它呢”。
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Don't get me wrong,
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别误会我,
01:09
there's a lot of people who deserve to be in prison.
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有很多人应该被关监狱,
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There's a lot of criminals out here.
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外面有很多犯罪。
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But there are a lot of innocent people that's in jail.
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但是,监狱里也有很多无辜的人。
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EA: Sheila's son, McKinley, is one of those innocent people.
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 席拉的儿子, 麦金莱,就是其中一个无辜的人。
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He served 17 years of a 30-year sentence on a manslaughter charge.
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他以过失杀人,被判了30年,服刑了17年。
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He had no previous convictions,
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他没有前科,
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there was no forensic evidence in the case.
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这个案件没有法医证据。
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He was convicted solely on the basis of eyewitness testimony,
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他的定罪仅仅是基于目击证词,
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and decades of research have shown
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而几十年的研究已经表明
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that eyewitness testimony isn't as reliable
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目击证词没有
我们想象的那么可靠。
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as we once believed it to be.
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Scientists say that memory isn't precise.
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科学家说记忆是不精准的。
它不像回放一段视频,
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It's less like playing back a video,
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01:48
and more like putting together a puzzle.
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而更像是拼一幅拼图。
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Since 1989, when DNA testing was first used to free innocent people,
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自从 1989年,当 DNA 检测 第一次被用于释放无辜的人起,
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over 70 percent of overturned convictions were based on eyewitness testimony.
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超过 70% 被推翻的定罪 都是基于目击证词。
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Last year,
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去年,
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the district attorney whose office prosecuted McKinley's case
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起诉麦金莱案子的地区检察官
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was convicted of unrelated corruption charges.
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因不相关的腐败控告被定罪。
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When this district attorney of 30 years stepped down,
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当这名30年的地区检察官下台后,
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the eyewitnesses from McKinley's case came forward
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麦金莱案的目击人们站了出来,
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and said that they had been pressured into testifying by the district attorneys,
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说他们是在受到地区检察官的 强迫下进行作证的,
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pressure which included the threat of jail time.
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强迫方式包括蹲监狱的威胁。
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Despite this, McKinley is still in prison.
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尽管这样,麦金莱仍然在监狱中。
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(Recording) SP: Before this happened,
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(录音)席拉 · 菲普斯: 发生这件事之前,我从没想到这点。
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I never would've thought it.
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02:34
And well, I guess it's hard for me to imagine
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我就是很难想象这样的事情会发生,
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that these things is going on, you know,
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until this happened to my son.
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直到它发生在我儿子身上。
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It really opened my eyes.
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这事真的让我开了眼界。
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It really, really opened my eyes.
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它真的,真的开了我的眼界。
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I ain't gonna lie to you.
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说实话。
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EA: Estimates of how many innocent people are locked up
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 据估计, 被关押起来的无辜人数
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range between one and four percent,
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范围是 1% 到 4% 之间,
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which maybe doesn't sound like a lot,
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听起来或许不算很多,
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except that it amounts to around 87,000 people:
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但这相当于大约 87,000 人:
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mothers, fathers, sons locked up,
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母亲、父亲、儿子被关起来,
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often for decades,
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通常是几十年,
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for crimes they did not commit.
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为他们没犯过的罪刑。
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And that's not even counting the roughly half a million people
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并且这还不包括大约五十万
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who have been convicted of nothing --
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没有被定罪的人——
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those presumed innocent,
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那些很可能是无辜的
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but who are too poor to bail out of jail
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但是因为太穷而无力保释的人,
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and therefore sit behind bars for weeks upon months,
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他们因此被关在看守所数周到数月,
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waiting for their case to come to trial --
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只为了等待他们的案子开庭--
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or much more likely,
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或者更应该说,
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waiting to take a plea just to get out.
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等待控罪答辩以求早日脱身。
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All of those people have family on the outside.
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所有那些人在外面都有家庭。
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(Recording) Kortney Williams: My brother missed my high school graduation
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(录音)科尔特尼 · 威廉姆斯: 我哥哥错过了我的高中毕业典礼,
因为在头一天晚上,
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because the night before,
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he went to jail.
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他进监狱了。
我哥哥错过了我的生日晚宴
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My brother missed my birthday dinner
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because that day, actually, he went to jail.
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因为就在那一天,他进监狱了。
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My brother missed his own birthday dinner
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我哥哥错过了他自己的生日晚宴
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because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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因为他在错误的时间出现在了错误的地方。
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(Recording) EA: So all these times when he ended up going to jail,
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(录音)伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 他每一次进监狱,
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were charges pressed or did he just get taken to jail?
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是有控告还是直接被投进监狱的?
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KW: The charges would be pressed
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科尔特尼 · 威廉姆斯:有控告
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and it would have a bond posted,
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并且会公布保释金,
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then the charges will get dropped ...
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然后控告会取消……
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because there was no evidence.
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因为没有证据。
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EA: I met Kortney Williams when I went to her college classroom
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 我遇见科尔特尼 · 威廉是在
我去她大学教室讲《被释》时。
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to talk about "Unprisoned."
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She ended up interviewing her aunt, Troylynn Robertson,
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她后来在一期节目采访了她的阿姨, 特洛琳 · 罗伯逊。
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for an episode.
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(Recording) KW: With everything that you went through
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(录音)科尔特尼 · 威廉姆斯: 在你和你的孩子经历过所有的这些事情后,
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with your children,
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what is any advice that you would give me
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你有任何建议给我吗,如果我有孩子的话?
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if I had any kids?
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(Recording) Troylynn Roberston: I would tell you when you have them,
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(录音)特洛琳 · 罗伯逊: 我会告诉你,当你有孩子的时候
你知道首先会出现在你脑海里的是爱
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you know the first thing that will initially come to mind is love
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and protection,
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和保护,
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but I would tell you,
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但是我还要告诉你,
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even much with the protection to raise them
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在养育他们时比保护更重要的
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with knowledge of the judicial system --
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是给他们传输司法系统的知识 --
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you know, we always tell our kids about the boogeyman,
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我们总是告诉我们的孩子要小心恶魔、
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the bad people, who to watch out for,
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小心坏人,要小心哪些人,
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but we don't teach them how to watch out for the judicial system.
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但是我们没有教他们怎样去小心司法系统。
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EA: Because of the way our criminal legal system
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 因为我们的刑事法律系统
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disproportionately targets people of color,
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倾向针对有色人群,
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it's not uncommon for young people like Kortney to know about it.
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这点像科尔特尼这样的年轻人是知道的。
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When I started going into high schools to talk to students about "Unprisoned,"
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当我向高中生们讲《被释》时,
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I found that roughly one-third of the young people I spoke with
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我发现大概有三分之一的年轻听众
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had a loved one behind bars.
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有一个他们所爱的人被关在狱中。
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(Recording) Girl: The hardest part is like finding out where he's at,
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(录音)女孩: 最难的是比如找到他在哪儿,
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or like, when his court date is.
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或者,他的庭审时间是什么时候。
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Girl: Yeah, he went to jail on my first birthday.
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女孩: 嗯,他在我一岁生日时进了监狱。
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Girl: My dad works as a guard.
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女孩:我爸爸是一名警卫。
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He saw my uncle in jail.
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他看见我的叔叔在狱中。
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He's in there for life.
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他是终身监禁。
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EA: According to the Annie E. Casey Foundation,
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 根据安妮 · 凯希基金会的研究 ,
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the number of young people with a father incarcerated rose 500 percent
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其父亲被监禁的年轻人的数量
从1980年到2000年上升了500%。
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between 1980 and 2000.
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Over five million of today's children will see a parent incarcerated
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今天有超过500万的孩子 在他们的童年某个时期
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at some point in their childhoods.
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会看到父亲或母亲遵监狱。
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But this number disproportionately affects African American children.
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但是这个数字更偏向于影响非裔美国儿童。
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By the time they reach the age of 14,
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到他们14岁时,
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one in four black children will see their dad go off to prison.
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有四分之一的黑人儿童 会看到他们的父亲去坐牢。
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That's compared to a rate of one in 30 for white children.
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相比之下,白人儿童这个比例是三十分之一。
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One key factor determining the future success of both inmates and their children
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决定囚犯和他们的孩子 未来是否成功的关键因素之一
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is whether they can maintain ties during the parent's incarceration,
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是父母被监禁期间是否与孩子维持联系,
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but prisoners' phone calls home can cost 20 to 30 times more
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但是囚犯打回家的电话费 比常规电话贵20到30倍,
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than regular phone calls,
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so many families keep in touch through letters.
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因此很多家庭通过信件来保持联系。
(录音:信件打开)
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(Recording: Letter being unfolded)
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Anissa Christmas: Dear big brother,
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艾妮莎 · 克里斯托马斯: 亲爱的哥哥,
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I'm making that big 16 this year, LOL.
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今年我就要过16岁了,哈哈。
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Guess I'm not a baby anymore.
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我想我不再是儿童了。
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You still taking me to prom?
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你还会带我去舞会吗?
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I really miss you.
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我真的很想你,
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You're the only guy that kept it real with me.
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你是唯一真诚待我的男孩。
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I wish you were here so I can vent to you.
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我多希望你就在这里, 这样我就可以向你宣泄了。
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So much has happened since the last time I seen you.
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自从我上次见你之后发生了很多事情。
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(Voice breaking up) I have some good news.
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我有些好消息,
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I won first place in the science fair.
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我在科学竞赛上得了第一名。
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I'm a geek.
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我是一名书呆子,
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We're going to regionals, can't you believe it?
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我们将进入地区赛,你相信吗?
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High school is going by super fast.
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高中过得超快。
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In less than two years,
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还有不到两年的时间,
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I hope you'll be able to see me walk across the stage.
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我希望你会看到我走上毕业舞台。
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I thought to write to you because I know it's boring in there.
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我写信给你是因为我知道 你在里面很无聊,
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I want to put a smile on your face.
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我想使你的脸上展露笑容。
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Anissa wrote these letters to her brother
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艾妮莎写这些信给她哥哥的时候
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when she was a sophomore in high school.
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她在上高二。
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She keeps the letters he writes to her tucked into the frame
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她将他给她写的信藏在
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of her bedroom mirror,
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她卧室的镜子的边框里,
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and reads them over and over again.
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一遍一遍地读。
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I'd like to think that there's a good reason
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我想相信有好的原因可以解释
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why Anissa's brother is locked up.
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为什么艾妮莎的哥哥被关起来,
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We all want the wheels of justice to properly turn,
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我们都想要正义的车轮正确地运转。
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but we're coming to understand
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但是我们渐渐明白
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that the lofty ideals we learned in school look really different
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我们在学校里学的那些崇高理想
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in our nation's prisons and jails and courtrooms.
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与我们国家的监狱和法庭的 实际情况很不一样。
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(Recording) Danny Engelberg: You walk into that courtroom and you're just --
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(录音)丹尼 · 恩格尔博格: 你走进法庭,然后你——
我已经干这个很久了, 但是它仍然会让你喘不过气来。
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I've been doing this for a quite a while, and it still catches your breath.
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You're like, "There are so many people of color here,"
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你会想,“那儿有太多的有色人群了”,
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and yet I know that the city is not made up of 90 percent African Americans,
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而我知道这个城市并不是 由90%的非裔人口构成的,
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so why is it that 90 percent of the people who are in orange
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那么为什么90%的穿橙色囚衣的人
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are African American?
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是非裔美国人呢?
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(Recording) EA: Public defender Danny Engelberg isn't the only one noticing
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(录音)伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 公共辩护律师 丹尼 · 恩格尔博格并不是唯一一个发现
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how many black people are in municipal court --
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有多少黑人在地方法庭里
或在任何法庭里的人。
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or in any court.
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这点让人很难不注意。
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It's hard to miss.
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在法庭都是谁在等着见法官?
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Who's sitting in court waiting to see the judge?
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他们看起来是什么样的?
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What do they look like?
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(录音)男人: 大多数是非裔美国人,比如我。
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(Recording) Man: Mostly African-Americans, like me.
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男人:大多数—我能说,85%是黑人。
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Man: It's mostly, I could say, 85 percent black.
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That's all you see in the orange, in the box back there, who locked up.
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你看到的就是他们穿着橙色囚衣, 被关在那些狭小的空间里。
08:14
Man: Who's waiting? Mostly black.
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男人:谁在等?大多数是黑人。
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I mean, there was a couple of white people in there.
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有少数几个白人。
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Woman: I think it was about 85 percent African-American
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女人: 我想坐在那儿的85%
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that was sitting there.
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是非裔美国人。
08:23
EA: How does a young black person growing up in America today
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 今天在美国长大的黑人青年
08:27
come to understand justice?
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如何理解正义呢?
08:30
Another "Unprisoned" story was about a troupe of dancers
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另一个《被释》的故事是关于一群舞者
08:33
who choreographed a piece called "Hoods Up,"
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他们编排了一个叫“戴上兜帽”的舞蹈,
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which they performed in front of city council.
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他们在市政委员会前表演。
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Dawonta White was in the seventh grade for that performance.
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参与表演的达望塔 · 怀特那时正在上七年级。
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(Recording) Dawonta White: We was wearing black with hoodies because Trayvon Martin,
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(录音)达望塔 · 怀特: 我们当时 穿的是黑色卫衣因为崔文 · 马丁
08:47
when he was wearing his hoodie, he was killed.
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被杀时正穿着他的卫衣。
08:49
So we looked upon that,
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考虑到这点,
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and we said we're going to wear hoodies like Trayvon Martin.
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我们决定要像崔文 · 马丁那样穿着卫衣。
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(Recording) EA: Who came up with that idea?
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(录音)伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 谁想到那个主意的?
08:55
DW: The group. We all agreed on it.
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达望塔 · 怀特: 整个小组,我们都同意这个主意。
08:57
I was a little nervous, but I had stick through it though,
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我当时有些紧张,但是我必须坚持,
09:00
but I felt like it was a good thing so they could notice what we do.
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但是我感觉这是件好事, 这样他们会注意到我们所做的。
09:04
(Recording) EA: Shraivell Brown was another choreographer and dancer
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(录音)伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 希瑞威尔 · 布朗是“戴上兜帽”中
09:07
in "Hoods Up."
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另一名编舞与舞者。
09:09
He says the police criticize people who look like him.
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他说警察会批评看起来像他这样的人。
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He feels judged based on things other black people may have done.
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他感觉他们是基于 其他黑人的所作所为对他加以评判。
09:15
How would you want the police to look at you,
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你想警察如何看待你呢? 你想他们怎样想呢?
09:17
and what would you want them to think?
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希瑞威尔 · 布朗: 我想让他们觉得我不是威胁。
09:19
SB: That I'm not no threat.
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09:20
EA: Why would they think you're threatening?
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 为什么他们会觉得你是威胁的?
09:22
What did you say, you're 14?
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你刚才是不是说你14岁?
09:23
SB: Yes, I'm 14, but because he said a lot of black males
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希瑞威尔 · 布朗: 是的, 我是14岁,但是因为他说很多黑人男性
是恶棍或帮派分子等等,
09:29
are thugs or gangsters and all that,
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09:32
but I don't want them thinking that about me.
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但是我不想他们这样看我。
09:35
EA: For folks who look like me,
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 对于像我这样的人,
09:37
the easiest and most comfortable thing to do is to not pay attention --
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最简单最容易的事就是不去关注,
09:41
to assume our criminal legal system is working.
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去假设我们的刑事法律系统是有效的。
09:45
But if it's not our responsibility to question those assumptions,
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但如果质问那些假设不是我们的责任,
09:50
whose responsibility is it?
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那么是谁的责任呢?
09:53
There's a synagogue here that's taken on learning about mass incarceration,
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这儿有个犹太教堂 开始更多地了解大规模监禁问题,
09:56
and many congregants have concluded
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很多教徒已经得出结论
09:58
that because mass incarceration throws so many lives into chaos,
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因为大规模监禁扰乱了太多人的生命,
10:03
it actually creates more crime --
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这实际上制造了更多犯罪,
10:05
makes people less safe.
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使人们更不安全。
10:07
Congregant Teri Hunter says
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教徒泰瑞 · 亨特说,
10:09
the first step towards action has to be understanding.
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采取任何行动前的第一步必须是理解。
10:13
She says it's crucial for all of us to understand our connection to this issue
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她说理解这个问题和我们所有人之间的联系 至关重要
10:19
even if it's not immediately obvious.
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就算不是显而易见的联系。
10:23
(Recording) Teri Hunter: It's on our shoulders
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(录音)泰瑞 · 亨特: 我们肩负着这样的责任,
10:25
to make sure that we're not just closing that door
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我们要确保我们不会只是关上门
10:28
and saying, "Well, it's not us."
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然后说,“好吧, 那不是我们”。
10:30
And I think as Jews, you know, we've lived that history:
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作为犹太人,你知道, 我们经历过那样的历史:
10:35
"It's not us."
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“那不是我们”。
10:37
And so if a society closes their back on one section,
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如果一个社会对其中的一群人漠不关心,
10:41
we've seen what happens.
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我们知道会发生什么。
10:43
And so it is our responsibility as Jews
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那么这就是我们的责任,作为犹太人
10:46
and as members of this community
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以及作为这个社区的成员的责任
10:50
to educate our community --
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去教育我们的社区 ——
10:53
at least our congregation --
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至少我们的会众 —
10:56
to the extent that we're able.
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尽我们的所能。
10:59
EA: I've been using the pronouns "us" and "we"
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伊芙 · 阿布拉姆斯: 我使用代名词 “我们”,
11:02
because this is our criminal legal system
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因为这是我们的刑事法律系统
11:05
and our children.
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这关乎我们的孩子。
11:07
We elect the district attorneys,
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我们选出了地区检察官、法官以及议员们,
11:09
the judges and the legislators who operate these systems
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来为我们人民运行这个系统。
11:13
for we the people.
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11:15
As a society,
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作为一个社会,
11:16
we are more willing to risk locking up innocent people
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我们更愿意冒将无辜的人关起来的风险,
11:20
than we are to let guilty people go free.
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而不愿意冒让有罪的人逍遥法外的风险。
11:24
We elect politicians who fear being labeled "soft on crime,"
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我们选举的政治家们害怕 被贴上“对犯罪手软”的标签,
11:27
encouraging them to pass harsh legislation
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于是他们通过严厉的立法
11:30
and allocate enormous resources toward locking people up.
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并且动用大量的资源来将人们关起来。
11:35
When a crime is committed,
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当犯罪发生时,
11:37
our hunger for swift retribution has fed a police culture
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我们对快速惩治的渴望导致了一个
倾向快速找到罪犯的警察文化,
11:41
bent on finding culprits fast,
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11:44
often without adequate resources to conduct thorough investigations
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他们通常缺少足够的资源去进行彻底调查
11:49
or strict scrutiny of those investigations.
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或者对那些调查进行严格审查。
11:52
We don't put checks on prosecutors.
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我们没有制约检察官。
11:56
Across the country, over the last couple of decades,
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在全国各地,过去几十年,
11:59
as property and violent crimes have both fell,
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随着财产和暴力犯罪双双下降,
12:03
the number of prosecutors employed and cases they have filed has risen.
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受佣的检察官和他们 建立的案件数量都上升了。
12:09
Prosecutors decide whether or not to take legal action
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检察官们决定是否
对警察抓捕的人采取法律行动
12:12
against the people police arrest
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12:14
and they decide what charges to file,
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以及他们决定以哪种控告进行立案,
12:17
directly impacting how much time a defendant potentially faces behind bars.
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这直接影响被告可能 会在监狱呆多长时间。
12:23
One check we do have on prosecutors is defense.
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我们对检察官的其中一项制约就是辩护。
12:27
Imagine Lady Liberty:
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想象一下自由女神像:
12:29
the blindfolded woman holding the scale
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这个被朦着眼睛的女人手持天平,
12:32
meant to symbolize the balance in our judicial system.
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那个表示我们的司法系统平衡的符号。
12:35
Unfortunately, that scale is tipped.
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不幸的是,那个天平倾斜了。
12:39
The majority of defendants in our country
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我国大部分的被告
12:41
are represented by government-appointed attorneys.
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都是由政府指派的律师代表的。
12:45
These public defenders receive around 30 percent less funding
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那些公共辩护律师的经费 比地区检查官低30%,
12:49
than district attorneys do,
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12:50
and they often have caseloads far outnumbering
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并且他们手上的案件数量
通常远超美国律师协会建议的数量。
12:54
what the American Bar Association recommends.
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12:57
As Sheila Phipps said,
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正如席拉 · 菲普斯所说,
12:59
there are people who belong in prison,
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有人应当遵监狱,
13:02
but it's hard to tell the guilty from the innocent
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但是当每个人的结果都如此相似时,
13:05
when everyone's outcomes are so similar.
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很难区分谁是应得,谁是无辜。
13:09
We all want justice.
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我们都想要正义。
13:11
But with the process weighed so heavily against defendants,
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但是当流程如此不利于被告时,
13:15
justice is hard to come by.
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正义是很难的。
13:18
Our criminal legal system operates for we the people.
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我们的刑事法律系统 是为我们,为人民服务的,
13:22
If we don't like what's going on,
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如果我们不喜欢正在发生的事情,
13:24
it is up to us to change it.
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我们就应该来改变它。
13:28
Thank you very much.
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非常感谢。
13:29
(Applause)
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