Mentalism, mind reading and the art of getting inside your head | Derren Brown | TED

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Mentalism, mind reading and the art of getting inside your head | Derren Brown | TED

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Jihye Hwang ๊ฒ€ํ† : Yunjung Nam
00:13
We are all trapped
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ‡ํ˜€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:17
inside our own heads,
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์—์š”.
00:19
and our beliefs and our understandings about the world are limited
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ฏฟ์Œ๊ณผ ์ดํ•ด๋Š”
๊ทธ ๊ด€์ ์— ์˜ํ•ด ์ œํ•œ๋˜๊ณ ,
00:23
by that perspective,
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00:25
which means we tell ourselves stories.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ž๊ธฐ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:29
Right? So here we are in this infinite data source.
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์•„์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ๋ฌดํ•œํ•œ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ ์ž์›์ด ์žˆ์ฃ .
00:33
There's an infinite number of things that we could think about,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌด์ˆ˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
00:36
but we edit and delete.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ต์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‚ญ์ œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:38
We choose what to think about, what to pay attention to.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ• ์ง€, ์–ด๋””์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ• ์ง€ ์„ ํƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:42
We make up a story ...
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๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ธ์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
00:47
to make sense of what's going on,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ง€์–ด๋‚ด๊ณ ...
00:50
and we all get it wrong.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜คํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:52
Because we're all trying to navigate with our own skewed compasses,
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๋ชจ๋‘ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ํŽธํ–ฅ๋œ ๋‚˜์นจํŒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ ์žก์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
00:55
and we all have our own baggage,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ž์‹ ๋งŒ์˜ ์ง๋„ ์žˆ์ฃ .
00:57
but the stories themselves are utterly convincing.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋“ค ์ž์ฒด๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์„ค๋“๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:00
And we all do this,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
01:01
and a lot of the stories that we live by aren't even our own.
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ํƒ€์ธ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜์ฃ .
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ Š์€ ๋‚˜์ด์— ๋ฌผ๋ ค๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€
01:04
The first ones we inherit at a young age from our parents,
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์™œ๊ณก๋œ ๋ฏฟ์Œ,
01:07
who of course have their own skewed beliefs,
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01:09
their own frustrations, their own unlived lives.
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์ขŒ์ ˆ, ๋ถˆ์šฐํ•œ ์‚ถ์„ ๋ฌผ๋ ค๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:13
And for better or worse, we take all that onboard,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ข‹๋“  ๋‚˜์˜๋“ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:15
and then we go out into the world
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:17
thinking maybe we have to be successful to be loved;
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘๋ฐ›๋Š”๋ฐ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ์š”.
01:20
or that we always have to put other people's needs first;
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด, ํ•ญ์ƒ ํƒ€์ธ์˜ ์š”๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์šฐ์„ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
01:24
or that we have some big terrible secret we couldn't possible tell people.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์ปค๋‹ค๋ž€ ๋ฌด์„œ์šด ๋น„๋ฐ€์ด ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
01:28
And it's just fiction, it's just stories,
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ—ˆ๊ตฌ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ผ ๋ฟ์ด์ฃ .
01:30
and we'd worry a lot less about what other people think of us
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ํƒ€์ธ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๊ฑฑ์ •์„ ๋œ ํ•˜๊ฒ ์ฃ .
01:33
if we realized how seldom they do.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๋ฉด์š”.
01:35
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
01:38
So I feel that magic is a great analogy for how we edit reality and form a story
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์ €๋Š” ๋งˆ๋ฒ•์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์‹ค์„ ํŽธ์ง‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋น„์œ ์ด๊ณ ,
01:45
and then mistake that story for the truth,
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์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ง„์‹ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์˜คํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
and I've had a 20-year career in the UK
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์ €๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ TV์— ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ์ปค๋‹ค๋ž€ ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ ์‹คํ—˜ ๋ฌด๋Œ€์—์„œ
01:52
staging big psychological experiments on TV,
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20๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ์Œ“์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:56
and now that's on Netflix.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋„ทํ”Œ๋ฆญ์Šค๋กœ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
01:58
I also have a stage show.
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์ €๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ์Šคํ…Œ์ด์ง€ ์‡ผ๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:00
I've got my first Broadway show actually coming up, called "Secret."
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์ €๋Š” "๋น„๋ฐ€"์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ œ ์ฒซ ๋ธŒ๋กœ๋“œ์›จ์ด ์‡ผ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋งํ•ด๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค์‹œ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋‹ด ์ฃผ๋Š”๊ฑด ์•„๋…œ์š”.
02:04
Just throwing that out there. No pressure.
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02:06
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:07
That should be this year.
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์˜ฌํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:09
And I try to do something new with mentalism, mentalism,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์ฃผ์˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:14
which is the dubious art of getting inside your head.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์˜ ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ƒ์ฉ์€ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:21
So there was a heyday for this kind of stage mind-reading,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋…์‹ฌ์ˆ  ๋ฌด๋Œ€์˜ ์ „์„ฑ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
02:25
which was the 1930s.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ 1930๋…„๋Œ€ ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:26
That's why I'm dressed like this,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ž…๊ณ  ์™”์ฃ .
02:29
in my most un-TED-like garb.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ TED์Šค๋Ÿฝ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๋ณต์žฅ์ด์ฃ .
02:32
And there was an act, an act known as the Oracle Act.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ ์„ฑ์ˆ  ํ–‰์œ„๋กœ ์•Œ๋ ค์ง„ ๊ณต์—ฐ์„ ํ•˜์˜€๊ณ ,
02:35
And in the Oracle Act, members of the audience,
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์ ์„ฑ์ˆ  ํ–‰์œ„ ๋„์ค‘, ์ฒญ์ค‘๋“ค์ด
02:37
as I know you have done,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค๋„ ํ•ด๋ณด์…จ๋“ฏ์ด
02:39
would write down secret questions,
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๋น„๋ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ ์–ด ๋†“๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:41
the sort of questions you might ask a psychic,
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์‹ฌ๋ น์ˆ ์‚ฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณผ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค์„์š”.
02:44
seal that question into an envelope,
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๋ด‰ํˆฌ์— ๊ทธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ด‰์ธํ•˜๊ณ ,
02:47
and on the outside of the envelope they would write their initials
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๋ด‰ํˆฌ์˜ ๊ฒ‰๋ฉด์— ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์ด๋‹ˆ์…œ๋กœ ์“ฐ๊ณ 
02:50
and then roughly where they sat in the audience.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ฒญ์ค‘ ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ์–ด๋””์ฏค ์•‰์•„์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์”๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:55
And then the Oracle, the mind reader, would take an envelope one at a time,
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์ ์„ฑ์ˆ , ๋…์‹ฌ์ˆ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ํ•œ๋ฒˆ์— ๋ด‰ํˆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜์”ฉ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:59
he wouldn't open it,
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์•„์ง ์—ด ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:00
but he would attempt to divine what question was sealed inside.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์•ˆ์— ๋“ค์–ด์žˆ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:04
And if he got that right, he would try and answer the question
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ญ”์ง€ ๋งž์ถ˜๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ• ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:07
for the person too.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
03:08
And the act spread like wildfire.
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ–‰์œ„๋Š” ๋“ค๋ถˆ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํผ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:11
It's a testament, I think, to the seductive appeal
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์‚ถ์˜ ๋ณต์žกํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฏธ๋ฌ˜ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ทผ์‹ฌ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
03:14
of some powerful figure offering you easy, simple answers
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์‰ฝ๊ณ , ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๋Œ€๋‹ต๋“ค์„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
03:18
to life's complex and subtle questions
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๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์ธ๋ฌผ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋งคํ˜น์ ์ธ ๋งค๋ ฅ์˜ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:21
and anxieties.
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03:23
So thank you all of you that wrote questions.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•ด์ฃผ์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”.
์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ์ ์€ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ชจ์•„ ๋‘์—ˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
03:25
I haven't seen these. I know somebody's guarding them.
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03:27
Thank you so much.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:29
I will take those now. Thank you all of you that did this.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ ธ ๊ฐˆ๊ป˜์š”. ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜์‹ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:31
I should say, probably, a couple of things before I start.
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์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ค์•ผ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
03:37
In absolute honesty,
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ์†”์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ,
03:40
first of all I can't see through these envelopes.
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์ฒซ์งธ, ์ €๋Š” ์ด ๋ด‰ํˆฌ ์†์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:42
They are sealed. They are thick black envelopes.
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๋ด‰ํˆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ€๋ด‰๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–‡์€ ๊ฒ€์ • ๋ด‰ํˆฌ์ด๊ตฌ์š”.
03:44
You'll know if you wrote one. I can't see through them.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ œ์ถœํ•˜์…”์„œ ์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ด‰ํˆฌ ์†์€ ๋ณด์ด์ง€ ์•Š์ฃ .
03:47
Secondly, importantly, I don't know any of you
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ, ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑด, ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:49
and nobody is playing along.
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์•„๋ฌด๋„ ์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:51
That's not what this is.
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์ด๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:54
Thirdly ...
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์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ....
03:57
I don't believe for a second that I have any special psychological gifts,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์  ์žฌ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹จ๊ฑธ ๋‹จ ํ•œ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๋„ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:02
let alone any psychic ones.
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์‹ฌ๋ น์ˆ ์€ ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†๊ณ ์š”.
04:05
So let's begin.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด๋ณด์ฃ .
04:12
Nope.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
04:13
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:20
OK, this --
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์˜ˆ, ์ด๊ฑด--
04:21
Oh, nice.
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์˜ค, ์ข‹์•„์š”.
04:23
OK, this one's interesting. There's a couple here.
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๋งž์•„์š”. ์ด๊ฑด ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์ฃ . ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
04:25
I will start with maybe this one.
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์ด๊ฒƒ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:27
This one's interesting, because the writing undulates.
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์ด๊ฑด ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๋„ค์š”. ๊ธ€์”จ๊ฐ€ ์—‰์ผœ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:30
There's a sort of an up and down thing,
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์œ„์•„๋ž˜์— ๊ฐ™์€ ์ข…๋ฅ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:32
which normally -- not always -- normally means
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ, ๋Š˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
04:34
that the person doesn't know the answer to the question themselves,
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ต์„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋œปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:37
so it's normally a question about the future, right?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋งž์ฃ ?
04:40
That sort of suggests uncertainty.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ์„ ์•”์‹œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:42
So I would say it's a lady,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณผ ๋• ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋ถ„ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋„ค์š”.
04:44
age-wise it's a little difficult to tell from this minimal handwriting,
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๋‚˜์ด๋Œ€๋Š”, ์ตœ์†Œํ•œ์˜ ํ•„์ฒด๋กœ ๊ตฌ๋ณ„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ข€ ์–ด๋ ต์ง€์š”,
04:47
but I would expect maybe 30s, maybe 40s, but let's find out.
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์ €๋Š” 30, 40๋Œ€ ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์•Œ์•„๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
04:51
It says -- and a question about the future --
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ , ์“ฐ์—ฌ์žˆ๋„ค์š”.
04:53
it says, "JN, center."
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"์ œ์ด์—”, ์ค‘์•™." ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์“ฐ์—ฌ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
04:57
So it's going to be somebody in this big central section here.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ด ์ปค๋‹ค๋ž€ ์ค‘์•™๊ตฌ์—ญ์— ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์ผ ํ…๋ฐ์š”.
05:00
If you think this is you, if you wrote one,
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ํ˜น์‹œ ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์“ฐ์…จ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
์ข€ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
05:02
could you make a fuss?
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05:03
It's a bit difficult for me to see in the center.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ค‘์•™์€ ์ž˜ ์•ˆ๋ณด์—ฌ์š”.
05:05
Hi, give us a wave.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ...
05:07
So J ...
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05:08
Jane? Jessica?
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์ œ์ธ? ์ œ์‹œ์นด?
05:10
Jessica: Yes.
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๋„ค.
05:11
Derren Brown: Which one? Jessica: Jessica.
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๋ฐ๋Ÿฐ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์šด: ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ์ œ์‹œ์นด: ์ œ์‹œ์นด.
05:13
DB: Thank you. Just a guess. Little murmur of approval, thank you?
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DB: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ฐ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋งž๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋‹ˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”.
05:16
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:18
I'll take it.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ œ์‹œ์นด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:20
Alright, so Jessica, I won't ask your age,
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์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ œ์‹œ์นด, ๋‚˜์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฌป์ง€ ์•Š์„๊ป˜์š”.
05:22
but is it a question essentially about the future?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ํ•ด๋„ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
05:24
Jessica: Mhm? DB: Yes?
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: ์Œ? DB: ๋„ค?
05:26
Jessica: Yes. DB: Yes. OK.
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๋„ค. DB: ๋„ค,
05:27
Alright. So what did we ask? What did Jessica ask about the future?
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๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์ œ์‹œ์นด๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
05:32
So am I OK with late-30s, early-40s?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 30๋Œ€ ํ›„๋ฐ˜์ด๋‚˜ 40๋Œ€ ์ดˆ๋ฐ˜์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„๊นŒ์š”?
05:37
Jessica: I'll take it. I'm taking it.
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๋„ค ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
05:38
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:42
DB: OK, so it's important,
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DB: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ฃ .
์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‚˜์ด์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
05:44
because we ask different questions depending how old we are.
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05:46
Just say, "I'll take it" again.
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๋‹ค์‹œ "๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ฃ "๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
05:48
Jessica: I'll take it.
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:50
DB: Virginia? You're from Virginia? Jessica: Yes, I am.
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DB: ๋ฒ„์ง€๋‹ˆ์•„? ๋ฒ„์ง€๋‹ˆ์•„ ์ถœ์‹ ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๋„ค, ๋งž์•„์š”.
05:53
DB: Yeah. So --
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DB: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
05:55
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:56
I think this is a lady,
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ด ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋ถ„์€,
05:58
I think this is a lady who wants to leave Virginia.
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๋ฒ„์ง€๋‹ˆ์•„ ์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๋– ๋‚˜๊ธธ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:03
I think you're looking at plans,
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๋˜, ๊ณ„ํš์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ์ค‘์ด๋ฉฐ,
06:06
it's whether or not things are going to come together to get out.
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์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผ์–ด๋‚ ์ง€ ์•„๋‹์ง€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
06:09
Just show me your hands.
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์†์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
06:12
Other sides so I can see fingernails?
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์†ํ†ฑ ์ชฝ์ด ๋ณด์ด๋„๋ก ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ?
06:16
OK, I think you have a farm
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”. ์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋†์žฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ 
06:19
and it's whether or not you're going to sell your farm and get out of Virginia?
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๋†์žฅ์„ ํŒ”๊ณ  ๋ฒ„์ง€๋‹ˆ์•„๋ฅผ ๋– ๋‚ ์ง€ ๋ง์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ์ฃ ?
๋งž๋‚˜์š”?
06:22
Is this right?
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๋„ค, ๋งž์•„์š”.
06:24
Jessica: Absolutely, that's the question.
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DB: ๋„ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”. ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:26
DB: Alright. Great. Thank you. It's a great question!
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06:28
What was the actual question? What did you put?
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์‹ค์ œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ฌด์—ˆ์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ œ์ถœํ–ˆ์ฃ ?
06:31
Jessica: "Will I sell the farm in Virginia?"
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: "๋ฒ„์ง€๋‹ˆ์•„์— ๋†์žฅ์„ ํŒ”๊นŒ์š”?"
06:33
DB: Will you sell the farm?
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DB: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋†์žฅ์„ ํŒ” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
06:35
Alright, so look, it's a great question if you are pretending to be psychic,
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์ž, ๋ณด์„ธ์š”, ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‹ฌ๋ น์ˆ ์‚ฌ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
06:38
because it's about the future,
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
06:40
which means I can give you a yes or no on this.
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์ €๋Š” ๋„ค ํ˜น์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค๋ผ๊ณ  ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ฒ ์ฃ .
06:42
It means nothing. You have no way of verifying it.
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์ด๊ฑด ์•„๋ฌด ์˜๋ฏธ ์—†์–ด์š”. ๊ฒ€์ฆํ•  ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์—†์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
06:46
And a dangerous thing to do --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ์ผ์€
06:47
and if I say yes or no, it'll just stick in the back of your mind,
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์ œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๊ฝ‚ํž ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ ๊ฒฐ์ •์— ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:51
and it can't not start to affect decisions you make.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ์ผ. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜
06:53
So a dangerous thing to do. However --
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06:55
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
06:57
Yes, I think you will sell the farm,
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์ €๋Š” ๋†์žฅ์„ ํŒ” ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
07:01
because I think you're the sort of person
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ
07:03
that in the nicest way will get what you want.
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์–ป๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:05
I think when there are things you want, you tend to focus on them
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ๋” ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
07:10
at the expense of other things
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํฌ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ๋„
07:11
that you know you probably should be focusing on more,
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์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ „ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:14
would you agree?
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๋™์˜ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
07:16
Educated, you spent a few years in --
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๊ต์œก๋ฐ›์•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ช‡๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ
07:20
Say yes again, the word "yes" quickly? Jessica: Yes.
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๋‹ค์‹œ "๋„ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๋นจ๋ฆฌ์š”. ์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๋„ค.
07:22
DB: No? Jessica: No.
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DB: ์•„๋…œ์š”? ์ œ์‹œ์นด: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
07:24
DB: California? Berkeley? A bit of a guess, but ...
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DB: ์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„? ๋ฒ„ํด๋ฆฌ? ์ถ”์ธก์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ,
07:26
Jessica: I went to Berkeley, yes. Stop doing this!
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๋„ค, UC ๋ฒ„ํด๋ฆฌ ๋‹ค๋…”์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋งŒํ•˜์„ธ์š”!
07:29
DB: So it's a yes.
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DB: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ฃ .
07:31
Oh, and you've been to India recently as well.
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์˜ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ตœ๊ทผ ์ธ๋„๋„ ๊ฐ”์—ˆ์ฃ .
07:33
There's just a tiny, tiny little thing going on there. Yes? No?
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž‘์€ ์ผ์ด ๋ฒŒ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ . ๋งž๋‚˜์š”?์•„๋‹Œ๊ฐ€์š”?
07:36
Jessica: Yes, I just got back from India.
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์ œ์‹œ์นด: ๋„ค, ๋ง‰ ์ธ๋„์—์„œ ๋Œ์•„์™”์–ด์š”.
07:38
DB: It's a yes from me, I just don't want to say it like it's written in the stars
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DB: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ ์„ฑ์ˆ ์‚ฌ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ
์ด๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์— ์ฑ…์ž„๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:42
because it isn't, and you need to take responsibility for it.
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07:45
DB: Have a seat. Thank you. Let's do another one.
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DB: ์•‰์œผ์„ธ์š”. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”. ๋˜ ํ•ด๋ณผ๊นŒ์š”.
07:48
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
07:53
AH, also in the center? AH.
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์•„, AH์—ด, ๋˜ ์ค‘์•™์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
07:56
This will be a man, a little older, maybe late 40s, I would say from this.
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๋‚จ์ž ๋ถ„, ์ข€ ๋‚˜์ด๋“œ์‹ , ์•„๋งˆ 40๋Œ€ ํ›„๋ฐ˜, ์ด๊ฑธ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
08:00
AH, center, stand up for me if you think this is you.
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AH์—ด, ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ, ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„ธ์š”.
08:04
AH. Hi, let's get a microphone to this guy.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ด ๋‚จ์ž๋ถ„๊ป˜ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ์„ธ์š”.
08:06
Quick as we can, on camera would be amazing.
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์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ, ์นด๋ฉ”๋ผ๋กœ ๋น„์ถฐ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
08:09
Oh, look at that! Freeze. Don't move. Don't move.
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์˜ค, ๋ณด์„ธ์š”! ์–ผ์Œ. ์›€์ง์ด์ง€ ๋งˆ์š”. ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๊ณ„์„ธ์š”.
08:11
Keep absolutely still.
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๊ณ„์† ๊ฐ€๋งŒํžˆ ์žˆ์œผ์„ธ์š”.
08:13
Are you standing? Where are you?
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์ผ์–ด์„ฐ๋‚˜์š”? ์–ด๋””์— ๊ณ„์„ธ์š”?
๋‚จ์ž: ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ € ์ž‘์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
08:15
Man: I am standing. I'm not that short.
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08:16
DB: OK.
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DB: ๋„ค.
08:19
Alright, now you changed that.
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๋„ค, ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฐ”๊พธ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:21
There was just something you did as you got up.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ผ์–ด์„œ๋ฉด์„œ ํ•œ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:23
Yes or no, have you put something on here --
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๋„ค ํ˜น์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋„ฃ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”.
08:27
you're not doing it now, but you did it as you stood up --
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ง๊ณ  ์•„๊นŒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ
์™ผ์ชฝ, ์™ผ์ชฝ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ ํ˜น์€ ์™ผ์ชฝ ๋ฐœ๋กœ ๋„ค ํ˜น์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”?
08:29
to do with your left or your left leg or your left foot, yes or no?
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08:34
Man: Yes.
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๋‚จ์ž: ๋„ค.
08:35
DB: Alright. He was giving us a nice clear signal as he stood up.
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DB: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ผ์–ด์„ฌ์œผ๋กœ์จ ๋ฉ‹์ง€๊ณ  ๊น”๋”ํ•œ ์‹ ํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์…จ์–ด์š”.
08:38
Put your weight on your left-hand side and say "yes."
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์™ผ์ชฝ์— ๋ฌด๊ฒŒ๋ฅผ ๋‘๊ณ  "๋„ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
08:41
Man: Yes.
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๋‚จ์ž: ๋„ค.
08:42
DB: Take your hand out of that pocket, put your weight on the other side,
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DB: ์†์„ ์ฃผ๋จธ๋‹ˆ์—์„œ ๊บผ๋‚ด ๋ฌด๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ชฝ์— ์‹ฃ๊ณ 
์† ๋ฐ”๊พธ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ "๋„ค" ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
08:46
change hands with the mic and say "yes" again.
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๋‚จ์ž: ๋„ค.
08:48
Man: Yes.
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08:49
DB: You have a dislocation
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DB: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์™ผ์ชฝ์— ์žˆ๋Š”
08:55
in the big toe on your left-hand side?
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์—„์ง€๋ฐœ๊ฐ€๋ฝ์ด ์–ด๊ธ‹๋‚ฌ์ฃ ?
08:58
Man: Yes.
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๋‚จ์ž: ๋„ค
08:59
DB: Thank you so much. Great. Good one! Take a seat. Take a seat.
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DB: ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค! ์•‰์œผ์„ธ์š”. ์•‰์•„์š”.
09:02
Can I get the microphone? I'm going to change microphone for this.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ ์ฃผ์‹ค๋ž˜์š”? ์ €๋Š” ์ด ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:05
Can I grab a mic up? Thank you.
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๋งˆ์ดํฌ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ€๋„ ๋˜์ฃ ? ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”.
09:08
Thank you so much. That would be great there.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:10
I'm going to change mic because,
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์ €๋Š” ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ๊ฑด๋ฐ์š”, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด,
09:14
hopefully you can now still hear me?
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๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฑด๋Œ€, ์ œ ๋ง์ด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
09:17
So I'm going to blindfold myself.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ˆˆ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ํ•  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:21
And I'm doing this now so I don't have the clues as you stand up.
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๋ˆˆ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ ค์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์‹ค ๋•Œ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๋‹จ์„œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:26
I can't see where you put your hands.
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์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์†์ด ์–ด๋”จ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชป๋ด์š”.
09:28
I can't see how you respond to what I'm saying.
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์ œ ๋ง์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‘๋‹ตํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ชป๋ด์š”.
09:30
I can't see what the people next to you are doing either.
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์˜†์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ญํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ชป๋ณด์ฃ .
๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ต์„ ์•Œ๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋งค์šฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
09:33
If they know the answers to the question, that's always very helpful.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์ ์„ ์›์น˜ ์•Š์•„์š”.
09:36
I won't have those advantages,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด์ƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„,
09:38
but strangely,
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09:42
this frees me up,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €๋ฅผ ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค˜์„œ,
09:44
and I want this to free you up as well,
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์ €๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ํ’€์–ด์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:46
so if you didn't write a question
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋”๋ผ๋„,
09:47
but you wish that you had done,
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ผ์œผ๋ฉด ๋” ์ข‹์ง€๋งŒ,
09:50
you can still take part.
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
09:51
The point of writing the question is only that it just kind of gets
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์š”์ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์†์—
๋ฉ‹์ง€๊ณ  ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•œ ํ‘œํ˜„์ด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:55
a nice, clear, succinct wording in your head.
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09:57
So if you can just find a question in your head,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์— ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
10:00
make it clear and succinct, just send it to me,
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๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์„œ, ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋ฉด,
10:02
and I'll try and do this now without anything written down.
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์ €๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋ฐ›์•„ ์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์‹œ๋„๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ณผ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:05
So just start to form questions but send me your name as well.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ , ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„๋„ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋‚ด์„ธ์š”.
10:08
"My name is," whatever that last guy was,
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"์ œ ์ด๋ฆ„์€," ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ๋‚จ์ž๋ถ„ ์„ฑํ•จ์ด๋“ ,
10:10
and "what's strange about my feet," or whatever the question was.
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"๋‚ด ๋ฐœ์˜ ์ด์ƒํ•œ ์ ์€, ๋ญ˜๊นŒ" ํ˜น์€ ์–ด๋– ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๋„ ์“ฐ์„ธ์š”.
10:14
So name and question.
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์ฆ‰, ์ด๋ฆ„๊ณผ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์จ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
10:16
There is somebody already, I'm guessing you're quite near the front,
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์ด๋ฏธ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์ผ๋„ค์š”. ๊ฝค ์•ž์ชฝ์— ๊ณ„์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ ๊ฝค ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:20
because your name is quite clear.
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์•ž์ชฝ ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ๊ณ„์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
10:24
Feels like you're in the center at the front.
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ๋ณผ๊ป˜์š”... ์•จ๋Ÿฐ?
10:26
OK, let me just ... Allan?
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10:27
Feels like there's an Allan.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๊ปด์ ธ์š”.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์•ž์—, ์ค‘๊ฐ„์ฏค์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
10:29
And you're going to be quite near the front, vaguely central, I think.
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10:32
Feels like it's coming from right there.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ์—์„œ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ์™€์š”.
10:34
There's like a man, maybe early 60s, something like that.
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๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ™๊ณ , ์•„๋งˆ 60๋Œ€ ์ดˆ๋ฐ˜, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋„ค์š”.
10:37
Allan: Yes.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
10:38
DB: You've got a mic? Great, thank you.
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DB: ๋งˆ์ดํฌ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋„ค, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”.
10:40
Allan, just say "stop" when I get to you so that I know where you are,
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ฉด ์™ธ์น˜์„ธ์š”, "๋ฉˆ์ถฐ". ๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
10:44
where to face.
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์–ด๋””์„œ ๋งˆ์ฃผ์น ๊นŒ์š”.
10:47
Allan: Stop.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋ฉˆ์ถฐ์š”.
10:49
DB: You a Capricorn? Allan: Yes.
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DB: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์—ผ์†Œ์ž๋ฆฌ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
10:53
DB: So Allan has something in his head.
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DB: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•จ๋Ÿฐ์€ ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์— ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
10:58
Now, did you hear it, hear the reserve in his voice?
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์ง€๊ธˆ, ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”, ๊ทธ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ์š”?
11:00
It's going to be something really tricky.
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์ •๋ง ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šด ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ „ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ "๋„ค" ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹ค๋ž˜์š”?
11:02
I think with you ... Just say "yes" again for me?
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11:04
Allan: Yes.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
11:08
DB: It's going to be either --
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DB: ๋‘˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์ผํ…๋ฐ-
11:09
no it's not.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
11:10
It's access, it's a password or access to something.
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์ ‘๊ทผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์•”ํ˜ธ ํ˜น์€ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:15
Have you got something, just yes or no, with a password in your head?
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๋„ค ํ˜น์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”๋งŒ ๋งํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์•”ํ˜ธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
11:18
Allan: Yes.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค. DB: ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ์•”ํ˜ธ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
11:19
DB: A computer password, that sort of thing?
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
11:22
Allan: Yes.
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11:23
DB: Excellent!
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DB: ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ด์š”!
11:24
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์›€)
11:26
In that case, I'm going to finish on this one. Let me ---
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ด์ œ ๋๋‚ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
11:29
If I get this right,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฑธ ๋งžํžˆ๋ฉด,
11:31
they're all going to know what it is, and millions of people potentially.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์š”. ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์ฃ .
11:34
You will change it, won't you?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๊ฑธ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
11:35
Allan: Of course.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
11:37
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
11:40
DB: Just say "of course" again? Allan: Of course.
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DB: ๋‹ค์‹œ "๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ " ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์š” ์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
11:43
DB: Alright. If it's a word -- I imagine it's a word, right --
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DB: ๋งž์•„์š”. ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ผ๋ฉด- ์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ-
11:46
just see the password written in front of you,
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์•ž์— ์“ฐ์ธ ์•”ํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
11:48
big clear block capital letters,
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ํฌ๊ณ  ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ๋Œ€๋ฌธ์ž,
11:50
and as you look at it, think for me of a letter somewhere in the middle,
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๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ, ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ์–ด๋””์—”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ํŽธ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
11:54
don't say it out loud,
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
11:56
just get a letter in your head that's in the middle.
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๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์— ํŽธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์œผ์„ธ์š”.
11:58
Have you got one? Allan: Yeah.
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๋ฐ›์œผ์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
12:00
DB: OK, stick with that for me.
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DB: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”. ๊ณ„์† ํ• ๊ป˜์š”.
12:02
Ah, you changed it, OK.
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์•„, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฐ”๊ฟจ๊ตฐ์š”, ์ข‹์•„์š”.
12:05
You changed your mind there.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟจ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:06
I think you settled on a --
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด
12:08
I think that's a "B", yes?
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"B"์ธ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ๋งž๋‚˜์š”?
12:11
Allan: No.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
12:13
I didn't.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”.
12:14
DB: Then it's an "I"? Allan: Correct.
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DB: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ "I"? ์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
12:16
DB: But you had a B. Allan: Yes.
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DB: ์•„๊นŒ๋Š” B์˜€์ฃ ? ์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
12:18
DB: Yeah, he changed his mind. He changed his mind.
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DB: ๋„ค, ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟจ์–ด์š”. ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟจ์–ด์š”.
12:20
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
12:22
So see it written there.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์จ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
12:25
Just keep saying it to yourself in your head.
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๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์—์„œ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ณ„์† ๋งํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
12:27
Oh, you play drums, don't you.
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์˜ค, ๋“œ๋Ÿผ์„ ์น˜๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
12:30
Allan: I do.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
12:31
DB: Just get that out of your head, get that out of your head,
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DB: ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์†์—์„œ ์ง€์›Œ๋ฒ„๋ ค์š”, ์–ผ๋ฅธ ์ง€์›Œ๋ฒ„๋ ค์š”.
์ €๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€์—๋งŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
12:34
just focus on this one thing for me.
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12:36
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
12:38
My job is to sell you a story, right?
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์ œ ์ผ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํŒŒ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
12:40
I try and do this to all of you, to get you to pay attention
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์ €๋Š” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์–ป๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์š”.
๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑธ ์ฐพ๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ฉฐ,
12:43
to one thing that I want you to find important,
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12:46
ignore other things that I want you to ignore,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•˜๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•˜๊ณ ,
12:48
and then join up those narrative dots
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์„œ์‚ฌ์˜ ์ ์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•ด์„œ,
์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•˜์ฃ .
12:50
to tell yourself a certain story about what I'm doing,
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12:52
and this only works because we are story-forming creatures,
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์ด๊ฑด ๋‹จ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ƒ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒ๋ฌผ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋ฉฐ,
12:55
which means we do this every day.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งค์ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
12:57
We go out into this complex and subtle world
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ, ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ €์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณต์žกํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฏธ๋ฌ˜ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“์ฐฌ
13:00
full of a complex and subtle people like you and me, Allan,
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๋ณต์žกํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฏธ๋ฌ˜ํ•œ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ,
13:02
and we reduce them to these neat characters
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋“  ์ž˜ ๋“ค์–ด ๋งž๋Š” ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ๋กœ
13:07
that fit whatever story we're telling ourselves,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ถ•์†Œ์‹œ์ผœ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
"๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋ถˆ์•ˆ์ •ํ•ด", "๊ทธ๋Š” ์˜ค๋งŒํ•ด", "๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฏฟ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด."
13:09
and we say, "She's insecure," "He's arrogant," "They can't be trusted."
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13:12
And these are just stories like the story that I can somehow read your mind.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:19
You're thinking of selling your company as well, aren't you, at the moment.
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์ง€๊ธˆ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํŒ” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์ฃ , ์•„๋‹Œ๊ฐ€์š”.
์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋งž์•„์š”.
13:23
Allan: Correct.
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DB: ํ”ผ๋ถ€์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ ์žˆ๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์ฃ ?
13:24
DB: Which is something to do with skin?
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋„ค.
13:27
Allan: Yes.
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DB: ํ”ผ๋ถ€์ผ€์–ด ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
13:28
DB: Skin care or something like this.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ์Œ, ๋„ค.
13:30
Allan: Uh, yes.
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DB: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฑธ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
13:31
DB: And I think the reason why I love doing this
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์ง„์‹ค์˜ ๋ณต์žก์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋ฏธ๋ฌ˜ํ•จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๋” ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์˜์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋”
13:33
is that it reminds me at least to try and be more alive and alert
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์ €๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:36
to the complexity and the subtlety of what's real,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ์ผ๋“ค์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:39
that there's always other stuff going on that we don't know about,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ซ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋œ ๊ฐ•์š”๋ฐ›๊ณ , ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ์นœ์ ˆํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:42
and it means we can get less stuck, we can be kinder to people
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13:45
because we can recognize there's always fear behind their stress,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค ๋’ค์— ๋‘๋ ค์›€์ด ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์•Œ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
๋ฐฉ์–ด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
13:48
so we don't need to meet it as defensively,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:50
and we can start to see the stories for what they are
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ถ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋งŒ์˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹˜์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:53
and recognize that life isn't all about us.
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13:56
Oh!
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์˜ค!
14:02
Your password, where are you? Where are you? Where is he?
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋น„๋ฐ€๋ฒˆํ˜ธ๋Š”, ์–ด๋””์ฃ ? ์–ด๋””์ฃ ? ์–ด๋””๊ณ„์‹œ์ฃ ?
14:05
Allan: Right here.
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์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์š”
DB: ์ €๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋น„๋ฐ€๋ฒˆํ˜ธ๋Š” "์—์–ด๋ฆฌ๋ณด์ด."
14:06
DB: Stand up for me. Your password is "ariboy."
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14:09
A-r-i-b-o-y? Is that right? Allan: That's correct.
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์—-์–ด-๋ฆฌ-๋ณด-์ด? ๋งž๋‚˜์š”? ์•จ๋Ÿฐ: ๋งž์•„์š”.
14:12
DB: Then thank you so much. Thank you very much indeed.
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DB: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:15
Thank you.
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
14:16
(Applause)
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