Simon Sinek: How to discover your "why" in difficult times | TED

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

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ืชืจื’ื•ื: Naama Lieberman ืขืจื™ื›ื”: Ido Dekkers
00:12
Chris Anderson: Simon, I'll start us off by saying, I mean, here we are, look,
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ื›ืจื™ืก ืื ื“ืจืกื•ืŸ: ืกื™ื™ืžื•ืŸ, ืืชื—ื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื—ื” ื‘ื–ื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื ื” ืื ื—ื ื•, ืชืจืื”,
00:16
after a year of the pandemic,
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ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื ื” ืฉืœ ืžื’ื™ืคื” ืขื•ืœืžื™ืช,
00:19
probably one of the most extraordinary experiences any of us have had.
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ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœื•ื•ื“ืื™ ืื—ืช ื”ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืžืฉื•ื ื•ืช ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ืžืื™ืชื ื• ื—ื•ื•ื”.
00:25
What do you think the unexpected psychological carryovers might be?
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ืžื” ืœื“ืขืชืš ื™ื”ื™ื• ื”ื”ืฉืคืขื•ืช ื”ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื•ืช ื”ื‘ืœืชื™ ืฆืคื•ื™ื•ืช?
00:30
I mean, do you think we've kind of --
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ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, ื”ืื ืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• --
00:32
Part of me thinks that people have got more fragile,
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ื™ืฉ ื‘ื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื ืขืฉื• ืฉื‘ืจื™ืจื™ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ,
00:35
that it's almost like there's a sort of learned timidity.
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ื›ืื™ืœื• ื™ืฉ ืื™ื–ื• ืžืŸ ื—ืฉืฉื ื•ืช ื ืจื›ืฉืช.
00:38
Have you seen any evidence of that or how would you characterize it?
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ื”ืื ืจืื™ืช ืขื“ื•ื™ื•ืช ืœื–ื” ืื• ืื™ืš ื”ื™ื™ืช ืžืชืืจ ืืช ื–ื”?
00:41
Simon Sinek: I think we've definitely all become much more aware
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ืกื™ื™ืžื•ืŸ ืกื™ื ืง: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ื‘ื•ื•ื“ืื•ืช ื ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืžื•ื“ืขื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ
00:44
of mental health.
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ืœื‘ืจื™ืื•ืช ื”ื ืคืฉ.
00:46
And that it's a real thing
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ืœื›ืš ืฉื–ื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืืžืชื™.
00:48
and that mental health affects strong and healthy people.
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ื•ืฉื‘ืจื™ืื•ืช ื”ื ืคืฉ ืคื•ื’ืขืช ื’ื ื‘ืื ืฉื™ื ื—ื–ืงื™ื ื•ื‘ืจื™ืื™ื.
00:53
We all suffered trauma during COVID.
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ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืกื‘ืœื ื• ืžื˜ืจืื•ืžื” ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืงื•ืจื•ื ื”.
00:56
Some of us dealt with it earlier, some of us dealt with it later,
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ื—ืœืง ืžืื™ืชื ื• ื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ื• ืขื ื–ื” ืžื•ืงื“ื, ื—ืœืง ืžืื™ืชื ื• ื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ื• ืขื ื–ื” ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš,
00:59
some of us are still dealing with it, but nobody escapes it.
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ื—ืœืง ืžืื™ืชื ื• ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืžืชืžื•ื“ื“ื™ื ืขื ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืžืชื—ืžืง ืžื–ื”.
01:02
When COVID first started, you know,
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ื›ืฉื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื”, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข,
01:06
many of us had to pivot our organizations,
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ืจื‘ื™ื ืžืื™ืชื ื• ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื”ืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื,
01:08
had to pivot our businesses very quickly.
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ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื”ืขืกืงื™ื ืฉืœื ื• ืžื”ืจ ืžืื•ื“.
01:11
And so I, like many others, we went into mission mode.
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ื•ื›ื›ื”, ืื ื™ ื›ืžื• ืจื‘ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื, ื ื›ื ืกืชื™ ืœืžืฆื‘ ืžืฉื™ืžื”.
01:15
And I called a friend of mine who is active-duty military.
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ื•ื”ืชืงืฉืจืชื™ ืœื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™ ืฉืžืฉืจืช ืฉื™ืจื•ืช ืคืขื™ืœ ื‘ืฆื‘ื.
01:18
And I asked him a very simple question,
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ื•ืฉืืœืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ืฉืืœื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ื” ืžืื•ื“,
01:20
how do I compartmentalize my emotions so that I can stay focused on the mission?
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ืื™ืš ืื ื™ ืžืžื“ืจ ืืช ื”ืจื’ืฉื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ื•ื ืฉืืจ ืžืžื•ืงื“ ื‘ืžืฉื™ืžื”?
01:24
And he gave me a very stern warning.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืื–ื”ืจื” ืจืฆื™ื ื™ืช ืžืื•ื“.
01:26
He said, you can't.
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ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, ืืชื” ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ.
01:28
He said, we can compartmentalize our emotions for only a short period of time,
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ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืžื“ืจ ืืช ื”ืจื’ืฉื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ืจืง ืœื–ืžืŸ ืงืฆืจ,
01:31
but no one, no one escapes the trauma of combat.
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ืื‘ืœ ืืฃ ืื—ื“, ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืžืชื—ืžืง ืžื”ื˜ืจืื•ืžื” ืฉืœ ื”ืœื—ื™ืžื”.
01:36
And he said, you may not even experience the trauma while you're in it,
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ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืืคื™ืœื• ืฉืœื ืชื—ื•ื•ื” ืืช ื”ื˜ืจืื•ืžื” ื›ืฉืืชื” ื‘ืชื•ืš ื–ื”,
ืื•ืœื™ ืœื ืชืจื’ื™ืฉ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืฉืืชื” ื—ื•ื–ืจ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”,
01:40
you may not experience it when you first come home,
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ืื•ืœื™ ืชืจื’ื™ืฉ ืืช ื–ื” ืจืง ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจ ื›ืš.
01:42
you may experience it months later.
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ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ื•ื” ืืช ื–ื” ืืจื‘ืขื” ืื• ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ื”ื—ื–ืจื” ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”.
01:44
He says, I experience it four or five months after I get home.
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ืื– ืžื™ื“ ื ื™ืชืงืชื™ ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ
01:47
So immediately I hung up the phone
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ื•ื”ืชืงืฉืจืชื™ ืœื—ื‘ืจื™ื A-type ืฉืœื™
01:49
and called all my A-type personality friends
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ื•ืืžืจืชื™, ืื•ืงื™ื™, ื ื“ืžื” ืœื ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืกื“ืจ,
01:51
and said, OK, we think we're good,
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01:53
but we're going to get hit by this at some point.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืคื’ื•ืข ื‘ื ื• ืžืชื™ืฉื”ื•.
01:55
And we made a deal that when we started to feel off our game,
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ื•ื”ืกื›ืžื ื• ืฉื›ืฉื ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื‘ืžื™ื˜ื‘ื ื•,
01:58
we would call each other.
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ื ืชืงืฉืจ ืื—ื“ ืœืฉื ื™.
02:00
Safe space.
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ืžืจื—ื‘ ื‘ื˜ื•ื—.
02:02
And we made another deal that there would be no crying alone.
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ื•ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืขื•ื“ ื”ืกื›ื - ืฉืœื ื‘ื•ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ื“.
ืฉืื ืืชื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื‘ื›ื•ืช, ืชืจื™ื ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ื•ืชืชืงืฉืจ ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื•.
02:05
That if you had to cry, you picked up the phone and you called somebody.
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ื˜ื•ื‘, ืืจื‘ืขื” ืื• ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื”,
02:08
Well, about four or five months into COVID,
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ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ื•ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืžื” ืงื•ืจื”.
02:10
I started to feel off my game and I didn't know what was going on.
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02:13
And so I called that same friend in the military
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ืื– ื”ืชืงืฉืจืชื™ ืœืื•ืชื• ื—ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฆื‘ื
02:16
and I asked no leading questions.
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ื•ืœื ืฉืืœืชื™ ืฉืืœื•ืช ืžื ื—ื•ืช.
02:18
I simply asked him, tell me what your symptoms are when you suffer the trauma
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืฉืืœืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ืžื” ื”ืกื™ืžืคื˜ื•ืžื™ื ื›ืฉืืชื” ืกื•ื‘ืœ ืžื˜ืจืื•ืžื”
02:23
when you come home from combat.
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ื›ืฉืืชื” ื—ื•ื–ืจ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ืžืœื—ื™ืžื”.
02:25
And he said, well, number one, he falls out of his sleep pattern.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, ื˜ื•ื‘, ืžืกืคืจ ืื—ื“, ื”ืฉื™ื ื” ืžืฉื•ื‘ืฉืช.
02:28
He said he starts going to bed late for no reason
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ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืœื›ืช ืœื™ืฉื•ืŸ ืžืื•ื—ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ืœื™ ืกื™ื‘ื”
02:31
and doesn't want to get up in the morning.
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ื•ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืงื•ื ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ.
ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืœืขืฆืžื™, ื›ืŸ.
02:33
And I thought to myself, yep.
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02:34
He says he has some unproductive days and he comes up with an excuse like,
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ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื• ื™ืžื™ื ืœื ืคืจื•ื“ื•ืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™ื™ื ื•ื”ื•ื ื ื•ืชืŸ ืชื™ืจื•ืฆื™ื,
02:38
"It's OK, you know, you deserve a rest. It's fine."
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โ€œื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืžื’ื™ืข ืœืš ืœื ื•ื—โ€œ.
02:41
But then he has another and another and another.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื– ื™ืฉ ืขื•ื“ ื™ื•ื ื›ื–ื” ื•ืขื•ื“ ืื—ื“ ื•ืขื•ื“ ืื—ื“.
ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืœืขืฆืžื™, ื›ืŸ.
02:44
And I thought to myself, yep.
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02:46
And he said he becomes very antisocial where he doesn't want to ask for help
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืœื ื—ื‘ืจื•ืชื™ ื•ื”ื•ื ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื‘ืงืฉ ืขื–ืจื”
02:50
and he definitely doesn't want to talk to anybody.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื‘ื˜ื— ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขื ืืฃ ืื—ื“.
ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืœืขืฆืžื™, ื›ืŸ.
02:52
And I thought to myself, yep.
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02:54
And I realized what I was going through was trauma.
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ื•ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืฉืžื” ืฉืขื•ื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ ื–ื• ื˜ืจืื•ืžื”.
02:57
And I was afraid to use the D-word, depression,
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ื•ืคื—ื“ืชื™ ืœื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ืžื™ืœืช ื”-ื“, ื“ื™ื›ืื•ืŸ,
03:01
for fear that that was some sort of diagnosis.
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ืžืคื—ื“ ืฉื–ื• ืื‘ื—ื ื” ื›ื–ื• ืื• ืื—ืจืช.
03:04
I think a lot of people are afraid of that word,
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืคื—ื“ื™ื ืžื”ืžื™ืœื” ื”ื–ื•,
03:06
but that's exactly what I was going through.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื” ืฉืขื‘ืจืชื™.
03:08
I was going through lowercase โ€œDโ€ depression.
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ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ื“ื™ื›ืื•ืŸ ืงืœ ื™ื—ืกื™ืช.
03:11
And I followed the rule that we set with our friends
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ื•ืฉืžืจืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ื›ืœืœ ืฉืงื‘ืขื ื• ืขื ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื
03:14
and I called people.
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ื•ื”ืชืงืฉืจืชื™ ืœืื ืฉื™ื.
03:16
Because one of the things I asked my friend is like,
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ื›ื™ ืื—ื“ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืฉืืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™
ื–ื” ืื™ืš ืืชื” ืžืชื’ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื–ื”?
03:19
how do you overcome it?
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ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, ืืชื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื›ืจื™ื— ืืช ืขืฆืžืš ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœื“ืคื•ืก ืฉื™ื ื” ืจื’ื™ืœ
03:20
He said, you have to force yourself back into a sleep pattern
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ื•ืœื”ื›ืจื™ื— ืืช ืขืฆืžืš ืœื”ืชืงืฉืจ ืœื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ืœื‘ืงืฉ ืขื–ืจื”.
03:23
and force yourself to call friends and ask for help.
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ืื– ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื—ื“ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื,
03:25
And so I think one of the things,
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03:27
I think that comes out of COVID,
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื™ืฆืื• ืžื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื”,
03:29
is we recognized just the importance of human connection.
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ื”ื•ื ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื‘ื™ื ื™ื ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื”ืงืฉืจ ื”ืื ื•ืฉื™.
03:33
You know, in this fast-paced digital world,
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื‘ืขื•ืœื ื”ืžื”ื™ืจ ื•ื”ื“ื™ื’ื™ื˜ืœื™,
03:37
we kidded ourselves to think that we had connections
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ื”ืฉืœื ื• ืืช ืขืฆืžื ื• ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื—ื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ื
03:39
just because we were connected.
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ืจืง ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžื—ื•ื‘ืจื™ื.
ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ื”ื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช ื›ืฉื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื”,
03:41
But it was amazing to see when COVID started,
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03:43
regardless of someone's age or a technological competency,
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ื‘ืœื™ ืงืฉืจ ืœื’ื™ืœ ืื• ืœื›ืฉื™ืจื•ืช ื”ื˜ื›ื ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ืช,
03:48
we all picked up the phone.
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ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื”ืจืžื ื• ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ.
03:50
Like, young people were talking to each other.
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ื›ืื™ืœื•, ืื ืฉื™ื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืื—ื“ ืขื ื”ืฉื ื™.
03:52
And I think that intense craving for a human voice and human touch,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ื”ืฉืชื•ืงืงื•ืช ื”ื–ืืช ืœืงื•ืœ ืื ื•ืฉื™ ื•ืœืžื’ืข ืื ื•ืฉื™,
03:57
I think we were reminded just how fragile we are as human beings.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื ื–ื›ืจื ื• ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื‘ืจื™ืจื™ื™ื ื›ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื.
04:01
CA: That phrase you've mentioned, "no crying alone," that's powerful.
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ื›โ€œื: ื”ืžืฉืคื˜ ืฉืืžืจืช, โ€œืœื ื‘ื•ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ื“โ€œ, ื–ื” ื—ื–ืง.
04:06
I mean, forgive me asking, did you cry with someone?
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ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืกืœื™ื—ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœ, ืืชื” ื‘ื›ื™ืช ืขื ืžื™ืฉื”ื•?
04:08
SS: Yes.
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ืกโ€œืก: ื›ืŸ.
04:10
I followed my own counsel to my friends.
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ื”ืงืฉื‘ืชื™ ืœืขืฆื” ืฉื ืชืชื™ ืœื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™.
04:14
And when I had to cry, when I was overwhelmed,
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ื•ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื‘ื›ื•ืช, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื•ืฆืฃ,
04:17
I picked up the phone and I just cried.
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ื”ืจืžืชื™ ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ื•ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื‘ื›ื™ืชื™.
04:22
And I had friends call me and do the same.
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ื•ื”ื™ื• ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ืชืงืฉืจื• ืืœื™ ื•ืขืฉื• ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ.
04:24
CA: And there was healing in that.
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ื›โ€œื: ื•ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื–ื” ืจื™ืคื•ื™.
04:26
SS: The most important thing that came from it
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ืกโ€œืก: ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื™ืฆื ืžื–ื”
04:29
was that we didn't --
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ื”ื™ื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื --
04:32
none of us felt alone.
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ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืžืื™ืชื ื• ืœื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืœื‘ื“.
04:34
And there's intense safety.
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ื•ื™ืฉ ื‘ื–ื” ื‘ื™ื˜ื—ื•ืŸ ืื“ื™ืจ.
04:37
That amazing sense of safety that we all desire as human beings.
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ื”ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ื”ืžื“ื”ื™ืžื” ื”ื–ื• ืฉืœ ื‘ื™ื˜ื—ื•ืŸ ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ื–ืงื•ืงื™ื ืœื” ื›ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื.
04:42
You know, you can't feel safe when you're vulnerable,
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืืชื” ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ื›ืฉืืชื” ืคื’ื™ืข,
04:45
like, that's when we need it the most.
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ื–ื” ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื›ื™ ื–ืงื•ืงื™ื ืœื–ื”.
04:47
But you have to build those relationships.
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ืื‘ืœ ืืชื” ืžื•ื›ืจื— ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืืช ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื”ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื”ืืœื”.
04:50
You build those relationships in the happy times, the good times,
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ืืชื” ื‘ื•ื ื” ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื‘ื–ืžื ื™ื ืฉืžื—ื™ื, ื‘ื–ืžื ื™ื ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื,
04:53
where you think you're strong, you think you're great.
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ื›ืฉืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืืชื” ื—ื–ืง, ืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืืชื” ื ื”ื“ืจ.
04:56
Itโ€™s very hard to start building those relationships
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ืงืฉื” ืžืื•ื“ ืœื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื
04:58
in the moment of crisis.
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ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉืœ ืžืฉื‘ืจ.
05:01
And I think it's a lesson for leadership, quite frankly.
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ื•ืœื“ืขืชื™ ื–ื” ืฉื™ืขื•ืจ ื‘ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช, ืœืžืขืŸ ื”ืืžืช.
ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืืชื” ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืฉืคื•ื˜ ืืช ื”ืื™ื›ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืฆื•ื•ืช
05:05
Which is, you can't judge the quality of a crew
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05:07
by how a ship performs in calm waters.
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ืœืคื™ ื”ืฆื•ืจื” ืฉื‘ื” ื”ืกืคื™ื ื” ืฉื˜ื” ื‘ืžื™ื ืจื’ื•ืขื™ื.
05:09
You judge the quality of a crew by how a ship performs in rough waters.
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ืืชื” ืžืขืจื™ืš ืืช ื”ืื™ื›ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืฆื•ื•ืช ืœืคื™ ื”ืชืคืงื•ื“ ืฉืœ ื”ืกืคื™ื ื” ื‘ืกืขืจื”.
05:12
But the time in calm waters
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ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื”ืžื™ื ืจื’ื•ืขื™ื
05:14
is when you're building relationship and trust
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ื–ื” ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื•ืืžื•ืŸ
05:16
and you don't really actually know if you have trusting relationships
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ื•ืืชื” ืœื ื‘ืืžืช ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ืฉืœ ืืžื•ืŸ
05:20
and trusting teams and loving relationships
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ื•ืฆื•ื•ืช ืฉืืคืฉืจ ืœืชืช ื‘ื• ืืžื•ืŸ ื•ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ืฉืœ ืื”ื‘ื”
05:22
until the crisis strikes.
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ืขื“ ืฉื”ืžืฉื‘ืจ ืžื›ื” ื‘ืš.
05:24
And I heard this from a lot of people:
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ื•ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืžื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื:
05:27
When COVID happened,
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ื›ืฉื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื” ื”ืชืคืจืฆื”,
05:29
they commented on how they realized who their real friends were.
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ื”ื ืกื™ืคืจื• ืฉื”ื ื”ื‘ื™ื ื• ืžื™ ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืžืชื™ื™ื ืฉืœื”ื.
05:32
Some people kind of fell by the wayside, it was nothing personal.
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ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื ืฉืืจื• ื‘ืฆื“ ื”ื“ืจืš, ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืฉื™.
05:35
It's just like, we didn't call each other and we're still, you know,
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ื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜, ื›ืื™ืœื•, ืœื ื”ืชืงืฉืจื ื• ืื—ื“ ืœืฉื ื™ ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข,
05:39
werenโ€™t angry or anything.
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ืœื ื›ืขืกื ื• ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”.
05:40
And there are some people who came out of the woodwork to check in on us
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ื•ื™ืฉ ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื™ืฆืื• ืžื”ืžื—ื‘ื•ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื‘ื“ื•ืง ืžื” ืื™ืชื ื•
05:43
and those friendships flourished.
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ื•ื”ื—ื‘ืจื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ืคืจื—ื•.
05:46
And that's what I mean.
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ืœื–ื” ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ.
05:49
It takes hardship for those friendships and that trust to really bear fruit.
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ื”ืงืฉื™ื™ื ื’ื•ืจืžื™ื ืœื—ื‘ืจื•ื™ื•ืช ื•ืœืืžื•ืŸ ืœืคืจื•ื—.
05:55
But that's why we have to invest in people when we're doing well
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ืœื›ืŸ ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืฉืงื™ืข ื‘ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืฉืฉืœื•ืžื ื• ื˜ื•ื‘
05:58
and we don't think we need anybody.
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ื•ื›ืฉื ื“ืžื” ืœื ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืืฃ ืื—ื“.
06:00
And I think we forget that.
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืฉื›ื—ื ื• ืืช ื–ื”.
06:01
CA: What would you say to someone who has realized
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ื›โ€œื: ืžื” ืชื’ื™ื“ ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ื‘ื™ืŸ
06:05
that they're in this moment, what's been a really difficult year,
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ืฉื”ื ื‘ืจื’ืข ื”ื–ืžืŸ, ื‘ืฉื ื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงืฉื” ื‘ืืžืช,
06:08
and they actually don't feel that there's someone they could,
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ื•ื”ื ืœื ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ืฉื™ืฉ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื,
06:12
for example,
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ืœื“ื•ื’ืžื”,
06:13
pick up the phone and cry with?
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ืœื”ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ื•ืœื‘ื›ื•ืช ืื™ืชื•?
06:17
Is it hopeless for them until this passes?
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ื”ืื ืื™ืŸ ืœื”ื ืชืงื•ื•ื” ืขื“ ืฉื”ื›ื•ืœ ื™ืขื‘ื•ืจ?
06:20
Or what would you say to them?
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ืžื” ืชื’ื™ื“ ืœื”ื?
06:21
SS: There is an irony.
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ืกโ€œืก: ื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ืื™ืจื•ื ื™ื”.
06:22
There's an irony in when we need help.
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ื™ืฉ ืื™ืจื•ื ื™ื” ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื–ืงื•ืงื™ื ืœืขื–ืจื”.
06:27
And when I was writing the book "Leaders Eat Last,"
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ื›ืฉื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืกืคืจ โ€œLeaders Eat Lastโ€
06:29
I had the opportunity to spend some time with
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ื”ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืœื‘ืœื•ืช ืงืฆืช ื–ืžืŸ
06:33
and visit Alcoholics Anonymous.
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ื•ืœื‘ืงืจ ืืช ืืœื›ื•ื”ื•ืœื™ืกื˜ื™ื ืื ื•ื ื™ืžื™ื™ื.
06:35
And it is a remarkable organization.
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ื•ื–ื” ืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื™ื•ืฆื ืžืŸ ื”ื›ืœืœ.
06:39
And many of us are familiar with the 12-step program.
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ื•ืจื‘ื™ื ืžืื™ืชื ื• ืžื›ื™ืจื™ื ืืช ืชื›ื ื™ืช 12 ื”ืฆืขื“ื™ื.
06:43
And many of us are familiar with the first step,
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ื•ืจื‘ื™ื ืžืื™ืชื ื• ืžื›ื™ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ืฆืขื“ ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ,
06:46
which is admitting you have a problem.
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ืœื”ื•ื“ื•ืช ืฉื™ืฉ ืœืš ื‘ืขื™ื”.
06:48
But then it's the other 11 steps that also matter.
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ืื‘ืœ 11 ื”ืฆืขื“ื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื™ื ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื™ื ื’ื ื›ืŸ.
06:52
And Alcoholics Anonymous knows
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ื•ืืœื›ื•ื”ื•ืœื™ืกื˜ื™ื ืื ื•ื ื™ืžื™ื™ื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื
06:54
that if you master the first 11 steps,
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ืฉืื ืืชื” ืขื•ื‘ืจ ืืช 11 ื”ืฆืขื“ื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื,
06:57
but not the 12th,
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ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืืช ื”ืฆืขื“ ื”-12,
06:58
you are likely to succumb to the disease.
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ืืชื” ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœื•ื•ื“ืื™ ืชื™ื›ื ืข ืœืžื—ืœื”.
07:00
But if you master the 12 steps,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ืืชื” ืžืฉืœื™ื ืืช 12 ื”ืฆืขื“ื™ื,
07:02
you're more likely to overcome the disease.
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ื™ืฉ ืกื™ื›ื•ื™ ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืชืชื’ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืžื—ืœื”.
07:04
That 12th step is to help another alcoholic.
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ื”ืฆืขื“ ื”-12 ื”ื•ื ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœืืœื›ื•ื”ื•ืœื™ืกื˜ ืื—ืจ.
07:08
It's service.
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ื–ื” ืฉื™ืจื•ืช.
07:09
And so there's a great irony when we need help
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ืื– ื™ืฉ ืื™ืจื•ื ื™ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืขื–ืจื”
07:12
to actually help someone
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ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœืžืขืฉื” ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ
07:13
who's struggling with the same thing as us.
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ืฉื ืื‘ืง ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ืžื•ื ื•.
07:15
And it is the most healing thing we can do.
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ื–ื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืžืจืคื ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช.
07:17
So, you know, if we need someone to cry with,
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ืื–, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืœื‘ื›ื•ืช ืื™ืชื•,
07:20
it's to offer the shoulder for somebody else to cry with.
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ืชื ื• ื›ืชืฃ ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ ืฉื™ื‘ื›ื” ืืชื›ื.
07:22
If we're feeling lonely,
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ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ื‘ื•ื“ื“ื™ื,
07:24
it's to be there for someone else who's struggling with loneliness.
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ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ ืฉื ืื‘ืง ื‘ื‘ื“ื™ื“ื•ืช.
ื•ื–ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืขื‘ืจ ืœื ื•ืฉืื™ื ื”ืืœื”,
07:27
And this goes way beyond these subjects,
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07:29
which is if we're looking for love to help somebody else find love,
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ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื—ืคืฉื™ื ืื”ื‘ื”, ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ ืœืžืฆื•ื ืื”ื‘ื”,
ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื—ืคืฉื™ื ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉื ืื”ื‘,
07:32
if we're looking for the job we love,
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ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ื“ ืœืžืฆื•ื ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ืื”ื‘.
07:34
to help somebody else find the job that they love.
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ื™ืฉ ืขืจืš ืื“ื™ืจ ื‘ืฉื™ืจื•ืช.
07:36
And there's tremendous value in service.
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07:38
And you hear about these things all the time,
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ืืชื” ืฉื•ืžืข ืขืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ,
07:40
you talk to people why they chose to go in the profession they went into,
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ืืชื” ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืขื ืื ืฉื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืฉืืœื” ืœืžื” ื”ื ื‘ื—ืจื• ื‘ืžืงืฆื•ืข ืฉื”ื ื‘ื—ืจื•,
ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืื ื”ื ื‘ืžืงืฆื•ืข ืฉื™ืฉ ื‘ื• ืฉื™ืจื•ืช,
07:44
especially if they're in the service profession,
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ื‘ื•ื ื ื’ื™ื“ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืžื˜ืคืœ ื‘ื˜ืจืื•ืžื”.
07:46
let's say somebody is a counselor for trauma.
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07:48
And you say, why did you go into this profession?
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ื•ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืœืžื” ื‘ื—ืจืช ื‘ืžืงืฆื•ืข ื”ื–ื”?
07:50
"When I was younger, I suffered a trauma,
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โ€œื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืขื™ืจ, ืกื‘ืœืชื™ ืžื˜ืจืื•ืžื”,
07:52
and somebody was there to counsel me
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ื•ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืœื˜ืคืœ ื‘ื™
ื•ื”ื—ืœื˜ืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ืงื“ื™ืฉ ืืช ื—ื™ื™ ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ื›ื›ื” ืœืื—ืจื™ืโ€œ.
07:54
and I decided I wanted to commit my life to doing that for others."
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07:57
This is what happens with service.
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ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืงื•ืจื” ืขื ืฉื™ืจื•ืช.
07:59
And we forget, just because we live in a modern world,
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื•ื›ื—ื™ื, ืจืง ื›ื™ ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ืขื•ืœื ืžื•ื“ืจื ื™,
08:03
we're actually a very old-fashioned machine.
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ืฉื‘ืขืฆื ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื›ื•ื ื” ืžื™ื•ืฉื ืช ืžืื•ื“.
08:05
The human animal is a legacy machine living in a modern world.
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ื”ื—ื™ื” ื”ืื ื•ืฉื™ืช ื”ื™ื ืžื›ื•ื ื” ืขืชื™ืงื” ืฉื—ื™ื” ื‘ืขื•ืœื ืžื•ื“ืจื ื™.
08:08
And we still work the same way we used to.
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืคื•ืขืœื™ื ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ืžื• ืคืขื.
08:11
And we desperately need each other to survive and thrive
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื–ืงื•ืงื™ื ืื—ื“ ืœืฉื ื™ ื ื•ืืฉื•ืช ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉืจื•ื“ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’
08:15
as much as we did when we were living in huts
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ื‘ืื•ืชื” ื”ืžื™ื“ื” ื›ืžื• ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื—ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื‘ืงืชื•ืช
08:18
in small tribes of 150 people.
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ื‘ืฉื‘ื˜ื™ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื ืฉืœ 150 ืื™ืฉ.
08:21
And so service service is the thing.
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ืื– ืฉื™ืจื•ืช, ืฉื™ืจื•ืช ื–ื” ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ.
08:24
CA: That sounds like,
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ื›โ€œื: ื–ื” ื ืฉืžืข ื›ืื™ืœื•,
08:25
even for someone who's not feeling, like, depressed or at the edge right now,
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ืืคื™ืœื• ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ืžื“ื•ื›ื ืื• ืขืœ ื”ืงืฆื” ืขื›ืฉื™ื•,
08:28
but a good checklist-question to ask is,
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ื›ืžื• ืฉืืœื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ืœืฉืื•ืœ,
08:31
is there someone I could reach out to actually,
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ื”ืื ื™ืฉ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื• ืงืฉืจ,
08:33
there maybe other people who are in a much worse situation
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ืื•ืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืžืฆื‘ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ืจื•ืข
08:36
and maybe there is a call I could make
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ื•ืื•ืœื™ ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืฉื™ื—ืช ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ
08:37
that would be incredibly valuable to that person
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ืฉืชื”ื™ื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืœืื“ื ื”ื–ื”
ื•ืชืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืื™ืชื• ืžืขืจื›ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื‘ืขืชื™ื“?
08:40
and help build a relationship with future?
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ืกโ€œืก: โ€œืืชื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ?โ€ โ€œืžื” ืฉืœื•ืžืš?โ€
08:42
SS: "Are you OK?" "How are you?
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08:44
You know, a friend of mine, George Flynn,
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™, ื’โ€˜ื•ืจื’โ€™ ืคืœื™ืŸ,
08:48
he says his test for a leader is if they ask you how you're doing,
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ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ืžื‘ื—ืŸ ืฉืœ ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื ืืžื™ืชื™ื™ื ื–ื” ื›ืฉื”ื ืฉื•ืืœื™ื ืžื” ืฉืœื•ืžืš
08:53
they actually care about the answer.
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ื•ื‘ืืžืช ืื›ืคืช ืœื”ื ืžื”ืชืฉื•ื‘ื”.
08:56
And I really like that.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ ืืช ื–ื” ืžืื•ื“.
08:58
CA: OK, I could talk with you for hours about this,
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ื›โ€œื: ืื•ืงื™ื™, ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืื™ืชืš ืฉืขื•ืช ืขืœ ื–ื”,
09:01
but we're going to go to some questions now.
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ืื‘ืœ ื ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืœื›ืžื” ืฉืืœื•ืช.
09:03
So here's a question from Kayum.
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ื”ื ื” ืฉืืœื” ืžืงืื™ื•ื.
09:05
"If there is no way to get back to normal," as you said,
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โ€œืื ืื™ืŸ ื“ืจืš ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœื ื•ืจืžืœื™โ€ ื›ืžื• ืฉืืžืจืช,
09:08
"then are we on the right path of building new normal already?
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โ€œืื– ื”ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื”ื ื›ื•ื ื” ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ื ื•ืจืžืœื™ ื—ื“ืฉ?
09:12
Or can you help us with a blueprint that new normal should be based on?"
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ืื• ืฉืื•ืœื™ ืืชื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืชืช ืœื ื• ืชื›ื ื™ืช ืœื‘ืกืก ืขืœื™ื” ืืช ื”ื ื•ืจืžืœื™ ื”ื—ื“ืฉ?โ€
09:16
SS: So blueprint? No.
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ืกโ€œืก: ืชื›ื ื™ืช? ืœื.
09:20
Guidances? Yes.
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ื”ื›ื•ื•ื ื”? ื›ืŸ.
09:22
I think that humanity has to be --
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื ื•ืฉื™ื•ืช ื—ื™ื™ื‘ืช ืœื”ื™ื•ืช --
09:25
We have to remember that humanity matters.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื–ื›ื•ืจ ืฉืื ื•ืฉื™ื•ืช ื—ืฉื•ื‘ื”.
09:28
And when I say humanity, I don't mean big-H Humanity,
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ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืื ื•ืฉื™ื•ืช, ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืœืื ื•ืฉื•ืช ื›ื•ืœื”,
09:31
I mean little-H humanity, our humanity.
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ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืœืื ื•ืฉื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื•.
ื›ืฉื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื”,
09:33
When COVID first happened,
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09:34
so many leaders leaned on their humanity,
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ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื ื ืฉืขื ื• ืขืœ ื”ืื ื•ืฉื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื,
09:38
whether they were effective or ineffective leaders prior to COVID,
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ื‘ื™ืŸ ืื ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื ื™ืขื™ืœื™ื ืื• ืœื ื™ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืคื ื™ ื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื”,
09:41
many of them picked up the phone and said, "Are you OK?"
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ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื”ื ื”ืจื™ืžื• ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ื•ืืžืจื• โ€œืืชื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ?โ€
ื”ื ื”ืชืงืฉืจื• ืœืฆื•ื•ืชื™ื ืฉืœื”ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื‘ื“ื•ืง ืžื” ืฉืœื•ืžื.
09:44
They called their teams just to check in on them.
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ืื• ืฉื”ื ื”ืชืงืฉืจื• ืœื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, โ€œืืชื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ? ืžื” ืฉืœื•ืžืš?โ€
09:46
Or they called their friends to say, "Are you OK? How are you?"
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09:50
Well, we don't need a global pandemic to do that.
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ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืžื’ืคื” ืขื•ืœืžื™ืช ื›ื“ื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”.
09:53
That's called good leadership
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ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื–ื” ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ื”
09:54
and we should be doing that all the time.
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ.
09:57
And we should be encouraging those in our charge to do the same
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขื•ื“ื“ ืืช ืืœื” ืฉืชื—ืช ืื—ืจื™ื•ืชื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ
10:00
for those in their charge.
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ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืžื™ ืฉื ืžืฆื ืชื—ืช ืื—ืจื™ื•ืชื.
10:01
You know, the hierarchy can still be effective that way.
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื”ื”ื™ืจืจื›ื™ื” ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืืคืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™ืช ื›ื›ื”.
10:05
I hope that remains.
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ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืฉื–ื” ื™ืžืฉื™ืš.
10:07
I hope that remains.
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ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืฉื–ื” ื™ืžืฉื™ืš.
10:08
I hope the use of the telephone remains.
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ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืฉื”ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ื‘ื˜ืœืคื•ื ื™ื ื™ืžืฉื™ืš.
10:11
That we don't just go back to texting all the time.
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ืฉืœื ื ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœื”ื•ื“ืขื•ืช ื˜ืงืกื˜ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ.
10:15
I hope that putting our phones away and having family dinner remains.
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ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืฉื ืžืฉื™ืš ืœื”ื ื™ื— ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืฆื“ ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืืจื•ื—ื•ืช ืžืฉืคื—ืชื™ื•ืช.
10:22
I think there's a lot of kids
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื™ืฉ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื
10:25
that will actually come through this
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ืฉื‘ืขืฆื ื™ืฆืื• ืžื–ื”
10:26
with stronger relationships with their siblings if they have them,
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ืขื ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื—ื–ืงื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขื ื”ืื—ื™ื ืื ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื,
ื•ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื—ื–ืงื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขื ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื”ื
10:30
and stronger relationship with their parents
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ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ื™ื—ื“.
10:32
because they had so much time together.
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10:34
And kids who may have struggled prior
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ื•ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืื•ืœื™ ืกื‘ืœื• ืงื•ื“ื ืœื›ืŸ,
10:36
because they weren't getting the kind of attention they needed
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ื›ื™ ื”ื ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ืืช ืชืฉื•ืžืช ื”ืœื‘ ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื
ื›ื™ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืขืกื•ืงื™ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”,
10:39
because their parents were so busy with work,
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10:41
you know, even if mom or dad are busy on a Zoom call all day,
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืืคื™ืœื• ืื ืืžื ืื• ืื‘ื ืขืกื•ืงื™ื ื‘ื–ื•ื ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื•ื,
10:46
that hour that they would ordinarily just go get a cup of coffee or something,
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ื”ืฉืขื” ืฉื”ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื”ื™ื• ืฉื•ืชื™ื ืงืคื” ืื• ืžืฉื”ื•,
10:50
that they could focus on their kid.
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ื”ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืชืžืงื“ ื‘ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœื”ื.
ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื‘ืืžืช ื™ืฆืื• ืžื–ื”.
10:52
I think a lot of kids actually will come out of this.
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10:54
And kids are remarkably adaptable.
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ื•ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื”ื ืกืชื’ืœื ื™ื ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืžื“ื”ื™ืžื”.
10:56
They're remarkably adaptable.
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ื”ื ืกืชื’ืœื ื™ื ืžื“ื”ื™ืžื™ื.
10:59
CA: Hereโ€™s a question from Mariusz.
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ื›โ€œื: ื”ื ื” ืฉืืœื” ืžืžืืจื™ื•ืก.
11:01
"Could you give us some tips on how to discover our Why?"
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โ€œืชื•ื›ืœ ืœืชืช ืœื ื• ื˜ื™ืคื™ื ืื™ืš ืœื’ืœื•ืช ืืช ื”โ€˜ืœืžื”โ€™ ืฉืœื ื•?โ€
ืกโ€œืก: ื‘ื˜ื—.
11:06
SS: Absolutely.
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ืื ื™ ืืชืŸ ืœื›ื ืชืจื’ื™ืœ ืงื˜ืŸ ืฉืืคืฉืจ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืขื ื—ื‘ืจื™ื.
11:07
I'll give you a little exercise that you can do with your friends.
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11:10
It's called the Friends Exercise.
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ื–ื” ื ืงืจื โ€˜ืชืจื’ื™ืœ ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ืโ€™.
11:12
Find a friend you love and who loves you.
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ืชืžืฆืื• ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืืชื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ื•ืฉืื•ื”ื‘ ืืชื›ื.
11:14
The person who, if they called you at three o'clock in the morning,
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ื”ืื“ื ืฉืื ื”ื•ื ื™ืชืงืฉืจ ื‘ืฉืœื•ืฉ ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ,
ืชืขื ื• ืœืฉื™ื—ื” ื•ืฉืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ืขืฉื” ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื›ื.
11:17
you take the call and you know they would do the same for you.
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ืืœ ืชืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ืขื ืื—ื™ื ืื• ื‘ื ื™ ื–ื•ื’.
11:20
Do not do this with a sibling or a spouse.
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11:22
Do not do this with a parent.
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ืืœ ืชืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ืขื ื”ื•ืจื”.
11:24
Those relationships are too close.
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ืžืขืจื›ื•ืช ื”ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ืžื“ื™.
11:26
Do it with a best friend.
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ืชืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ืขื ื”ื—ื‘ืจ ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘.
11:28
And go up to them and ask the simple question,
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ื•ืชื’ืฉื• ืืœื™ื”ื ื•ืชืฉืืœื• ืฉืืœื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ื”,
11:30
"Why are we friends?"
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โ€œืœืžื” ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื‘ืจื™ื?โ€
11:32
And they're going to look at you like you're crazy
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ื•ื”ื ื™ืกืชื›ืœื• ืขืœื™ื›ื ื›ืื™ืœื• ืืชื ืžืฉื•ื’ืขื™ื
ื›ื™ ืืชื ืžื‘ืงืฉื™ื ืžื”ื ืœืžืœืœ ืจื’ืฉ.
11:35
because you're asking them to put into words a feeling.
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11:37
You're asking them to use a part of the brain, the neocortex,
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ืืชื ืžื‘ืงืฉื™ื ืžื”ื ืœื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ื—ืœืง ืฉืœ ื”ืžื•ื—, ื”ื ืื•ืงื•ืจื˜ืงืก,
11:40
that doesn't control feelings,
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ืฉืœื ืฉื•ืœื˜ ื‘ืจื’ืฉื•ืช,
11:42
and to put the thing that exists in the limbic brain into language,
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ื•ืœืชืืจ ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืงื™ื™ื ื‘ืžืขืจื›ืช ื”ืœื™ืžื‘ื™ืช, ื‘ืขื–ืจืช ื”ืฉืคื”
11:45
which it doesn't do.
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ื•ื”ื™ื ืœื ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”.
11:47
And so it's actually a very difficult question.
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ืื– ื–ื• ื‘ืขืฆื ืฉืืœื” ืงืฉื” ืžืื•ื“.
11:49
They're going to say, "I don't know."
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ื”ื ื™ื’ื™ื“ื•, โ€œืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขโ€œ.
ื–ื” ืœื ืฉื”ื ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ื”ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื‘ื˜ื ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืžื™ืœื™ื.
11:51
It's not that they don't know, it's that they can't put it into words.
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ืœืžืจื‘ื” ื”ืื™ืจื•ื ื™ื”, ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืคืกื™ืงื™ื ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืœืžื”
11:54
Ironically, you stop asking the question why
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ื•ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ืœืฉืื•ืœ โ€œืžื”โ€ ื›ื™ โ€œืžื”โ€ ื”ื™ื ืฉืืœื” ื”ื’ื™ื•ื ื™ืช.
11:57
and you start asking the question, "what" because "what" is a rational question.
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โ€œืžื” ื™ืฉ ื‘ื™ ืฉื’ื•ืจื ืœื–ื” ืฉืืชื” ืชื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™
12:00
"What is it about me that I know that you would be there for me
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ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืฆื‘?โ€
12:03
no matter what?"
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ื•ื”ื ืœื ื™ื“ืขื• ืื™ืš ืœืขื ื•ืช.
12:05
And they won't know how to answer it.
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ื”ื ื™ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืชืืจ ืื•ืชืš.
12:06
They'll start describing you.
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โ€œืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืืชื” ืžืฆื—ื™ืง, ืื ื™ ืกื•ืžืš ืขืœื™ืš.
12:08
"I don't know, you're funny, I trust you.
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12:10
You've always been there for me."
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ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื™ืช ืฉื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™โ€œ.
ืชืฉื—ืง ืืช ืคืจืงืœื™ื˜ื• ืฉืœ ื”ืฉื˜ืŸ.
12:12
You play devil's advocate.
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12:13
"Good. That's the definition of a friend.
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โ€œื˜ื•ื‘. ื–ื• ื”ื”ื’ื“ืจื” ืฉืœ ื—ื‘ืจ.
ืžื” ื™ืฉ ื‘ื™ ืกืคืฆื™ืคื™ืช
12:15
What specifically is it about me
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ืฉื’ื•ืจื ืœืš ืœืชืžื•ืš ื‘ื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืฆื‘?โ€
12:17
that I know you'd be there for me no matter what?"
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ื•ื”ื ื™ืžืฉื™ื›ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ.
12:19
And they'll continue to do the same.
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ื”ื ื™ืžืฉื™ื›ื• ืœืชืืจ ืื•ืชืš. ืชืžืฉื™ืš ืœืฉื—ืง ืืช ืคืจืงืœื™ื˜ื• ืฉืœ ื”ืฉื˜ืŸ.
12:21
They'll keep trying to describe you. You keep playing devil's advocate.
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ื”ื‘ื ืช ืืช ื”ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ.
12:24
You get the idea.
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ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ, ื”ื ื™ืชื™ื™ืืฉื• ื•ื™ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืชืืจ ืืช ืขืฆืžื.
12:25
Eventually they'll give up and they'll start describing themselves.
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12:30
And they'll say,
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ื•ื”ื ื™ื’ื™ื“ื•,
12:31
and this is what my friend said to me when I did it with them,
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ื•ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™ ืืžืจ ืœื™ ื›ืฉืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืื™ืชื• ืืช ื”ืชืจื’ื™ืœ,
โ€œืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืกื™ื™ืžื•ืŸ. ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืื™ืชืš.
12:34
"I don't know, Simon. I don't even have to talk to you.
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ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœืฉื‘ืช ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื—ื“ืจ ื•ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื”ืฉืจืื”.
12:37
I could just sit in the same room as you and I feel inspired."
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ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืขื•ืจ ื‘ืจื•ื•ื–, ื–ื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœื™ ืžืžืฉ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•.
12:40
And I got goosebumps, I'm getting them right now.
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ื”ื ื™ื‘ื˜ืื• ื‘ืžื™ืœื™ื ืืช ื”ืขืจืš ืฉืœืš ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื”ื
12:42
They will articulate the value you have in their life
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12:45
and you will have some sort of emotional response,
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ื•ืชืชืขื•ืจืจ ื‘ืš ืื™ื–ื•ืฉื”ื™ ืชื’ื•ื‘ื” ืจื’ืฉื™ืช,
12:47
goosebumps or you'll well up,
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ืขื•ืจ ื‘ืจื•ื•ื– ืื• ืฉื™ืขืœื• ื‘ืš ื“ืžืขื•ืช,
ื›ื™ ืžื” ืฉื”ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื›ื ื–ื” ื”โ€˜ืœืžื”โ€™ ืฉืœื›ื,
12:49
because what they're telling you is your Why,
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ื”โ€˜ืœืžื”โ€™ ืฉืœื›ื ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืืชื ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœืขื•ืœื.
12:51
your Why is the thing you give to the world.
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ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื” ืขื ื›ืžื” ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ื”ื ื™ื’ื™ื“ื• ื›ืžืขื˜ ืื•ืชื• ื“ื‘ืจ,
12:53
You can do this with multiple friends and they will say almost exactly,
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12:57
if not the exact same thing, because that is your Why.
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ืื ืœื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”โ€˜ืœืžื”โ€™ ืฉืœื›ื.
12:59
That is the thing you give to the world.
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ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืืชื ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœืขื•ืœื.
ืื– ื–ื” ืœื ื™ื™ืชืŸ ืœื›ื ืชื™ืื•ืจ ืžื“ื•ื™ืง,
13:01
So it may not give you exact language,
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื™ื‘ื™ื ืืชื›ื ืœืื–ื•ืจ ืฉืœ ื”โ€˜ืœืžื”โ€™ ืฉืœื›ื.
13:03
but it will put you squarely in the ballpark for what your Why is.
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ื›โ€œื: ื”ื ื” ืฉืืœื” ืื ื•ื ื™ืžื™ืช.
13:06
CA: Here's an anonymous question.
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13:08
"I have a friend who is currently struggling with depression,
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โ€œื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืžืชืžื•ื“ื“ ื›ืจื’ืข ืขื ื“ื™ื›ืื•ืŸ,
13:13
and he's just not like he used to be.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœื ื›ืžื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืคืขื.
13:15
I don't know what to say to him.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื•.
ื”ืืžืช ื”ื™ื ืฉื”ื•ื ื›ื•ืขืก ืขืœ ื”ืฉืืœื” โ€˜ืžื” ืฉืœื•ืžืš?โ€™
13:17
He's actually annoyed by the question, 'How are you doing?'
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13:20
How can I offer my help?"
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ืื™ืš ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืฆื™ืข ืœื• ืขื–ืจื”?โ€
13:21
SS: So one of the things I learned by accident a couple of years ago
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ืกโ€œืก: ืื– ืื—ื“ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœืžื“ืชื™ ื‘ืžืงืจื” ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื
13:25
is sometimes statements work better than questions.
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ื–ื” ืฉืœืคืขืžื™ื ืืžื™ืจื•ืช ืขื•ื‘ื“ื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืฉืืœื•ืช.
13:28
Because questions people can avoid, right?
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ื›ื™ ืžืฉืืœื•ืช ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ืชื—ืžืง, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ืขืฉื™ื ื• ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื”.
13:30
This is what we all did during COVID.
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ืžื” ืฉืœื•ืžืš?โ€ โ€œื‘ืกื“ืจ. ื‘ืกื“ืจโ€ ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
13:32
"How are you?" "Fine. Fine." Everyone's fine, right?
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13:35
And then what do you do with that?
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ื•ืื– ืžื” ืืชื” ืขื•ืฉื” ืขื ื–ื”?
13:37
And so try making a statement, right?
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ืื– ืชื ืกื” ืืžื™ืจื”, ื›ืŸ?
13:42
Something's wrong.
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ืžืฉื”ื• ืœื ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
13:44
Something's different.
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ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื•ื ื”.
13:46
You're not the same.
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ืืชื” ืœื ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ.
13:48
I'm worried about you.
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ืืชื” ืžื“ืื™ื’ ืื•ืชื™.
13:50
Make statements.
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ืชื’ื™ื“ื• ืืžื™ืจื•ืช.
13:52
And it leaves very little room
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ื•ื–ื” ืžืฉืื™ืจ ืžืขื˜ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืงื•ื
13:54
for somebody to divert the conversation.
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ืœื”ืกื™ื˜ ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื—ื”.
14:02
You're not the person I know.
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ืืชื” ืœื ื”ืื“ื ืฉื”ื›ืจืชื™.
14:07
And do it with love and empathy and the most important thing,
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ื•ืชืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืื”ื‘ื” ื•ื‘ืืžืคืชื™ื” ื•ื”ื›ื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘,
14:10
don't show up to solve the problem.
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ืืœ ืชื ืกื• ืœืคืชื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื‘ืขื™ื”.
14:13
Especially when you're starting to have a difficult conversation,
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ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื‘ืชื—ื™ืœืช ืฉื™ื—ื” ืงืฉื”,
14:16
you don't show up to solve the problem.
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ืืœ ืชื›ื•ื•ื ื• ืœืคืชื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื‘ืขื™ื”.
14:18
You show up to create an environment
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ืชื ืกื• ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืื•ื•ื™ืจื”
ืฉื‘ื” ื”ื ื™ื”ื™ื• ืžื•ื›ื ื™ื ืœื”ื™ืคืชื— ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื.
14:20
in which they'd be willing to open up to you.
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ื–ื• ื”ืžื˜ืจื” ื”ืืžืชื™ืช.
14:22
That's the only goal.
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14:23
So try a statement instead of a question.
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ืื– ืชื ืกื• ืืžื™ืจื•ืช ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืฉืืœื•ืช.
14:27
CA: So here's the last question, I'm going to ask this for me.
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ื›โ€œื: ื”ื ื” ื”ืฉืืœื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื”, ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™.
14:31
What do you mean, Simon, when you say that everyone is a leader?
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ืœืžื” ืืชื” ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืกื™ื™ืžื•ืŸ, ื›ืฉืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื›ื•ืœื ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื?
14:37
SS: Leadership has nothing to do with rank or title.
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ืกโ€œืก: ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ืœื ืงืฉื•ืจื” ืœืขืžื“ื” ืื• ืœืชื•ืืจ.
14:40
I know many people who sit at the highest levels of organizations
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ืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ื‘ืขืžื“ื•ืช ื‘ื›ื™ืจื•ืช ื‘ืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื
14:43
who are not leaders.
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ื•ื”ื ืœื ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื.
14:45
We do as they tell us because they have authority over us,
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืžื” ืฉื”ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื›ื™ ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ืกืžื›ื•ืช ืขืœื™ื ื•,
14:48
but we don't trust them and we wouldn't follow them.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืกื•ืžื›ื™ื ืขืœื™ื”ื ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื ืœืš ืื—ืจื™ื”ื.
14:50
And yet I also know many people who sit at very low levels of organizations
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ื•ืื ื™ ื’ื ืžื›ื™ืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ื‘ืขืžื“ื•ืช ื ืžื•ื›ื•ืช ืžืื•ื“ ื‘ืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื
ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื”ื ื“ืจื’ื” ืจืฉืžื™ืช ื•ืœื ืกืžื›ื•ืช ืจืฉืžื™ืช,
14:54
that have no formal rank and no formal authority,
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14:56
and yet they've made the choice
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ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ื”ื ื‘ื•ื—ืจื™ื
ืœื“ืื•ื’ ืœืื“ื ืฉืžืฉืžืืœื
14:58
to look after the person to the left of them
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ื•ืœืื“ื ืฉืžื™ืžื™ื ื,
15:00
and the person to the right of them,
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืกืžื•ืš ืขืœื™ื”ื ื•ื ืœืš ืื—ืจื™ื”ื ืœื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื.
15:02
and we would trust them and follow them anywhere.
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ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื”ื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื™ื•ืช ืœื•ื•ื“ื ืฉืืœื” ืฉืกื‘ื™ื‘ื ื• ืžืชื—ื–ืงื™ื.
15:04
Leadership is the responsibility to see those around us rise.
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ื–ื• ื”ืื—ืจื™ื•ืช ืœื˜ืคืœ ื‘ืžื™ ืฉืกื‘ื™ื‘ื ื•.
15:07
It's the responsibility to take care of those around us.
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ื–ื• ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช.
ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืฉืœื™ื˜ื”.
15:10
That's what leadership is.
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15:11
It's not about being in charge.
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ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืœื“ืื•ื’ ืœืืœื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืื—ืจืื™ื™ื ืขืœื™ื”ื.
15:13
It's about taking care of those in our charge.
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ื•ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ ืฉืชื•ืืจ ื•ืกืžื›ื•ืช ืžืืคืฉืจื™ื ืœืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช
15:15
And the only thing title and authority allow you to do
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15:17
is lead with greater scale.
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ื–ื” ืœื”ื ื”ื™ื’ ื‘ืงื ื” ืžื™ื“ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ.
15:19
Every single one of us has the opportunity to be the leader we wish we had.
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ืœื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ืžืื™ืชื ื• ื™ืฉ ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื”ืžื ื”ื™ื’ ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืขืฆืžื ื•.
15:23
Every single one of us.
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ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื•ืื—ืช ืžืื™ืชื ื•.
15:25
CA: Simon, thank you so much for spending this time with us.
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ื›โ€œื: ืกื™ื™ืžื•ืŸ, ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื” ืขืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืื™ืชื ื•.
15:28
SS: Thanks, Chris. I really appreciate it.
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ืกโ€œืก: ืชื•ื“ื”, ื›ืจื™ืก. ืื ื™ ืžืขืจื™ืš ืืช ื–ื” ืžืื•ื“.
15:30
Take care of yourself. Take care of each other.
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ื˜ืคืœื• ื‘ืขืฆืžื›ื. ื˜ืคืœื• ืื—ื“ ื‘ืฉื ื™.
15:32
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[ืงื‘ืœื• ื’ื™ืฉื” ืœืื™ืจื•ืขื™ื ืžืขื•ืจืจื™ ืžื—ืฉื‘ื” ืฉืœื ืชืจืฆื• ืœื”ื—ืžื™ืฅ.
15:35
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ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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