Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala: Let's have a deeper discussion on aid

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It's very, very difficult
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to speak at the end of a conference like this,
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because everyone has spoken. Everything has been said.
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So I thought that what may be useful is to remind us
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of some of the things that have gone on here,
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and then maybe offer some ideas which we can take away,
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and take forward and work on.
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That's what I'd like to try and do.
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We came here saying we want to talk about "Africa: the Next Chapter."
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But we are talking about "Africa: the Next Chapter"
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because we are looking at the old and the present chapter -- that we're looking at,
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and saying it's not such a good thing.
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The picture I showed you before, and this picture, of drought, death and disease
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is what we usually see.
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What we want to look at is "Africa: the Next Chapter,"
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and that's this: a healthy, smiling, beautiful African.
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And I think it's worth remembering what we've heard
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through the conference right from the first day,
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where I heard that all the important statistics have been given --
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about where we are now,
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about how the continent is doing much better.
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And the importance of that is that we have a platform to build on.
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So I'm not going to spend too much time --
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just to show you, refresh your memories
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that we are here for "Africa: the Next Chapter" because for the first time
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there really is a platform to build on.
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We really do have it going right
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that the continent is growing at rates that people had thought would not happen.
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After decades of 2 percent, we are now at 5 percent,
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and it's going to -- projected -- 6 and 7 percent even.
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And inflation has come down.
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External debt -- something that I can tell you a long story about
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because I personally worked on one of the biggest debts on the continent --
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has come down dramatically.
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You know, as you can see,
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from almost 50 billion down to about 12 or 13 billion.
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Now this is a huge achievement.
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You know, we've built up reserves. Why is that important?
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It's because it shows off our economies, shows off our currencies
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and gives a platform on which people can plan and build, including businesses.
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We've also seen some evidence that all this is making a difference
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because private investment flows have increased.
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I want to remind you again --
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I know you saw these statistics before --
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from almost 6 billion we are now at about 18 billion.
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In 2005, remittances -- I just took one country, Nigeria
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skyrocketing -- skyrocketing is too dramatic,
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but increasing dramatically.
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And in many other countries this is happening.
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Why is this important? Because it shows confidence.
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People are now confident to bring --
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if your people in the diaspora bring their money back,
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it shows other people that, look,
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there is emerging confidence in your country.
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And instead of an outflow, you are now getting a net inflow.
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Now, why is all this important, to have to go really fast?
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It's important that we build this platform,
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that we have the president, Kikwete, and others of our leaders who are saying,
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"Look, we must do something different."
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Because we are confronted with a challenge.
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62 percent of our population is below the age of 24.
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What does this mean?
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This means that we have to focus on how our youth
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are going to be engaged in productive endeavor in their lives.
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You have to focus on how to create jobs,
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make sure they don't fall into disease, and that they get an education.
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But most of all that they are productively engaged in life,
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and that they are creating the kind of productive environment
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in our countries that will make things happen.
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And to support this, I just recently --
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one of the things I've done since leaving government
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is to start an opinion research organization in Nigeria.
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Most of our countries don't even have any opinion research.
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People don't have voice.
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There is no way you can know what people want.
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One of the things we asked them recently was what's their top issue.
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Like in every other country where this has been done,
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jobs is the top issue.
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I want to leave this up here and come back to it.
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But before I get to this slide, I just wanted to run you through this.
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And to say that for me, the next stage of building this platform
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that now enables us to move forward --
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and we mustn't make light of it.
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It was only 5, 6, 7 years ago
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we couldn't even talk about the next chapter, because we were in the old chapter.
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We were going nowhere.
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The economies were not growing.
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We were having negative per capita growth.
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The microeconomic framework and foundation for moving forward
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was not even there.
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So let's not forget that it's taken a lot to build this,
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including all those things that we tried to do in Nigeria that Dele referred to.
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Creating our own program to solve problems, like fighting corruption,
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building institutions, stabilizing the micro economy.
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So now we have this platform we can build on.
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And it brings us to the debate that has been going on here:
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aid versus private sector, aid versus trade, etc.
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And someone stood up to say that one of the frustrating things
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is that it's been a simplistic debate.
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And that's not what the debate should be about.
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That's engaging in the wrong debate.
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The issue here is how do we get a partnership that involves government donors,
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the private sector and ordinary African people
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taking charge of their own lives?
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How do we combine all this?
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To move our continent forward, to do the things that need doing
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that I talked about -- getting young people employed.
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Getting the creative juices flowing on this continent,
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much of what you have seen here.
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So I'm afraid we've been engaging a little bit in the wrong debate.
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We need to bring it back to say,
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what is the combination of all these factors
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that is going to yield what we want? (Applause)
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And I want to tell you something.
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For me, the issue about aid --
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I don't think that Africans need to now go all the way over to the other side
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and feel bad about aid.
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Africa has been giving the other countries aid.
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Mo Ibrahim said at a debate we were at that
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he dreams one day when Africa will be giving aid.
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And I said, "Mo, you're right. We have -- no, but we've already been doing it!
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The U.K. and the U.S. could not have been built today without Africa's aid."
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(Applause)
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It is all the resources that were taken from Africa,
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including human, that built these countries today!
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So when they try to give back, we shouldn't be on the defensive.
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The issue is not that.
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The issue is how are we using what has been given back.
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How are we using it?
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Is it being directed effectively?
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I want to tell you a little story.
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Why I don't mind if we get aid, but we use it well.
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From 1967 to '70, Nigeria fought a war -- the Nigeria-Biafra war.
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And in the middle of that war, I was 14 years old.
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We spent much of our time with my mother cooking.
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For the army -- my father joined the army as a brigadier -- the Biafran army.
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We were on the Biafran side.
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And we were down to eating one meal a day, running from place to place,
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but wherever we could help we did.
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At a certain point in time, in 1969, things were really bad.
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We were down to almost nothing in terms of a meal a day.
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People, children were dying of kwashiorkor.
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I'm sure some of you who are not so young
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will remember those pictures.
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Well, I was in the middle of it.
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In the midst of all this, my mother fell ill with a stomach ailment for two or three days.
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We thought she was going to die.
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My father was not there.
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He was in the army.
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So I was the oldest person in the house.
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My sister fell very ill with malaria.
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She was three years old and I was 15.
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And she had such a high fever. We tried everything.
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It didn't look like it was going to work.
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Until we heard that 10 kilometers away there was a doctor, who was
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looking at people and giving them meds.
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Now I put my sister on my back -- burning --
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and I walked 10 kilometers with her strapped on my back.
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It was really hot. I was very hungry.
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I was scared because I knew her life depended on my getting to this woman.
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We heard there was a woman doctor who was treating people.
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I walked 10 kilometers, putting one foot in front of the other.
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I got there and I saw huge crowds.
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Almost a thousand people were there, trying to break down the door.
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She was doing this in a church. How was I going to get in?
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I had to crawl in between the legs of these people
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with my sister strapped on my back,
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find a way to a window.
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And while they were trying to break down the door,
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I climbed in through the window, and jumped in.
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This woman told me it was in the nick of time.
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By the time we jumped into that hall, she was barely moving.
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She gave a shot of her chloroquine -- what I learned was the chloroquine then --
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gave her some -- it must have been a re-hydration --
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and some other therapies, and put us in a corner.
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In about two to three hours, she started to move.
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And then they toweled her down because she started sweating,
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which was a good sign.
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And then my sister woke up.
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And about five or six hours later, she said we could go home.
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I strapped her on my back.
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I walked the 10 kilometers back and it was the shortest walk I ever had.
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I was so happy -- (Applause) -- that my sister was alive!
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Today she's 41 years old, a mother of three,
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and she's a physician saving other lives.
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Why am I telling that? I'm telling you that because --
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when it is you or your person involved --
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you don't care where -- whether it's aid.
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You don't care what it is! (Applause)
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You just want the person to be alive!
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And now let me become less sentimental, and say that saving lives --
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which some of the aid we get does on this continent --
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when you save the life of anyone, a farmer, a teacher, a mother,
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they are contributing productively into the economy.
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And as an economist, we can also look at that side of the story.
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These are people who are productive agents in the economy.
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So if we save people from HIV/AIDS, if we save them from malaria,
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it means they can form the base of production for our economy.
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And by the same token --
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as someone said yesterday -- if we don't and they die,
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their children will become a burden on the economy.
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So even from an economic standpoint,
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if we leave the social and the humanitarian,
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we need to save lives now.
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So that's one of the reasons, from a personal experience, that I say
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let's channel these resources we get into something productive.
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However, I will also tell you that I'm one of those
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who doesn't believe that this is the sole answer.
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That's why I said the debate has to get more sophisticated.
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You know, we have to use it well.
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What has happened in Europe?
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Do you all know that Spain -- part of the EU --
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got 10 billion dollars in aid from the rest of the EU?
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Resources that were transferred to them --
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and were the Spanish ashamed of this? No!
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The EU transferred 10 billion. Where did they use it?
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Have you been to southern Spain lately? There are roads everywhere.
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Infrastructure everywhere.
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It is on the back of this that the whole of southern Spain
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has developed into a services economy.
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Did you know that Ireland got 3 billion dollars in aid?
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Ireland is one of the fastest-growing economies in the European Union today.
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For which many people, even from other parts of the world,
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are going there to find jobs.
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What did they do with the 3 billion dollars in aid?
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They used it to build an information superhighway,
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gain infrastructure that
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enables them to participate in the
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information technology revolution,
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and to create jobs in their economy.
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They didn't say, "No, you know, we're not going to take this."
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Today, the European Union is busy transferring aid.
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My frustration is if they can build infrastructure in Spain --
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which is roads, highways, other things that they can build --
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I say then, why do they refuse to use the same aid
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to build the same infrastructure in our countries? (Applause)
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When we ask them and tell them what we need,
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one of my worries today is that we have many foundations now.
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Now we talk about the World Bank, IMF, and accountability, all that
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and the EU.
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We also have private citizens now who have a lot of money --
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some of them in this audience, with private foundations.
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And one day, these foundations have so much money,
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they will overtake the official aid that is being given.
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But I fear -- and I'm very grateful to all of them
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for what they are trying to do on the continent --
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but I'm also worried. I wake up with a gnawing in my belly
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because I see a new set of aid entrepreneurs on the continent.
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And they're also going from country to country,
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and many times trying to find what to do.
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But I'm not really sure that their assistance
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is also being channeled in the right way.
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And many of them are not really familiar with the continent.
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They are just discovering.
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And many times I don't see Africans working with them.
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They are just going alone! (Applause)
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And many times I get the impression that they are not really even interested
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in hearing from Africans who might know.
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They want to visit us,
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see what's happening on the ground and make a decision.
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And now I'm maybe being harsh.
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But I worry because this money is so important.
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Now, who are they accountable to?
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Are we on their boards when they make decisions
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about where to channel money? Are we there?
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Will we make the same mistake that we made before?
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Have our presidents and our leaders -- everyone is talking about --
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have they ever called these people together and said,
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"Look, your foundation and your foundation --
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you have so much money, we are grateful.
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Let's sit down and really tell you where the money should be channeled
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and where this aid should go."
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Have we done that? The answer is no.
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And each one is making their own individual effort.
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And then 10 years from now, billions will again have gone into Africa,
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and we would still have the same problems.
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This is what gives us the hopeless image.
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Our inability to take charge and say to all these people bringing their money,
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"Sit down."
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And we don't do it because there are so many of us. We don't coordinate.
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We've not called the Bill Gates, and the Soros,
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and everybody else who is helping and say,
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"Sit down. Let's have a conference with you.
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As a continent, here are our priorities.
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Here is where we want you to channel this money."
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Each one should not be an entrepreneur
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going out and finding what is best.
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We're not trying to stop them at all! But to help them help us better.
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And what is disappointing me is that we are not doing this.
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Ten years from now we will have the same story,
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and we will be repeating the same things.
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So our problem right now is, how can we leverage
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all this good will that is coming towards our way?
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How can we get government to combine properly
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with these private foundations, with the international organizations,
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and with our private sector.
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I firmly believe in that private sector thing too.
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But it cannot do it alone.
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So there might be a few ideas we could think of that could work.
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They said this is about proliferating and sharing ideas.
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So why don't we think of using some of this aid?
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Well, why don't we first say to those helping us out,
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"Don't be shy about infrastructure.
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That health that you're working on cannot be sustainable without infrastructure.
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That education will work better
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if we've got electricity and railroads, and so on.
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That agriculture will work better if there are railroads to get the goods to market.
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Don't be shy of it.
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Invest some of your resources in that, too."
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And then we can see that this is one combination
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of private, international, multilateral money,
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private sector and the African that we can put together as a partnership,
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so that aid can be a facilitator.
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That is all aid can be.
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Aid cannot solve our problems, I'm firmly convinced about that.
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But it can be catalytic. And if we fail to use it as catalytic,
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we would have failed.
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One of the reasons why China is a bit popular with Africans now --
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one of the reasons is not only just that, you know, these people are stupid
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and China is coming to take resources.
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It's because there's a little more leverage in terms of the Chinese.
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If you tell them, "We need a road here,"
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they will help you build it.
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They don't shy away from infrastructure.
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In fact, the Chinese minister of finance said to me,
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when I asked him what are we doing wrong in Nigeria.
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He said, "There are two things you need only.
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Infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure and discipline.
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You are undisciplined." (Applause)
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And I repeat it for the continent.
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It's the same. We need infrastructure, infrastructure and discipline.
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So we can make a catalytic to help us provide some of that.
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Now I realize -- I'm not saying -- health and education --
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no, you can also provide that as well.
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But I'm saying it's not either or.
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Let's see how aid can be a facilitator in partnership.
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One idea.
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Second thing, for the private sector,
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people are afraid to take risks on the continent.
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Why can't some of this aid be used as a kind of guarantee mechanisms,
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to enable people to take risk?
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(Applause)
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And finally, because they are both standing at my -- I'm out of time.
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Am I out of time?
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OK, so let me not forget my punchline.
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One of the things I want everybody to collaborate on is
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to support women, to create jobs. (Applause)
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A lot has been said here about women, I don't need to repeat it.
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But there are people -- women -- creating jobs.
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And we know, studies have shown
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that when you put resources in the hand of the woman --
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in fact, there's an econometric study,
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the World Bank Review, done in 2000, showing that
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transfers into the hands of women result
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in healthier children, more for the household, more for the economy and all that.
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So I'm saying that one of the takeaways from here --
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I'm not saying the men are not important --
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obviously, if you leave the husbands out, what will they do?
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They'll come back home and get disgruntled,
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and it will result in difficulties we don't want.
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We don't want men beating their wives
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because they don't have a job, and so on.
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But at the margin, we also -- I want to push this,
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because the reason is the men automatically --
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they get -- not automatically, but they tend to get more support.
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But I want you to realize that resources
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in the hands of African women is a powerful tool.
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There are people creating jobs.
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Beatrice Gakuba has created 200 jobs from her flower business in Rwanda.
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We have Ibukun Awosika in Nigeria, with the chair company.
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She wants to expand.
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She needs another 20 million.
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She will create another 100, 200 more jobs.
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So take away from here is how are you going to put together
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the resources to put money in the hands of women in the middle
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who are ready --
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business people who want to expand and create more jobs.
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And lastly, what are you going to do
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to be part of this partnership of aid, government, private sector
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and the African as an individual?
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Thank you. (Applause)
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