Is war between China and the US inevitable? | Graham Allison

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So, let me thank you for the opportunity to talk about
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the biggest international story of your professional lifetime,
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which is also the most important international challenge
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the world will face for as far as the eye can see.
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The story, of course, is the rise of China.
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Never before have so many people risen so far so fast,
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on so many different dimensions.
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The challenge is the impact of China's rise --
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the discombobulation this will cause the Unites States
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and the international order,
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of which the US has been the principal architect and guardian.
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The past 100 years have been what historians now call an "American Century."
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Americans have become accustomed to their place
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at the top of every pecking order.
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So the very idea of another country
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that could be as big and strong as the US -- or bigger --
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strikes many Americans as an assault on who they are.
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For perspective on what we're now seeing in this rivalry,
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it's useful to locate it on the larger map of history.
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The past 500 years have seen 16 cases
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in which a rising power threatened to displace a ruling power.
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Twelve of those ended in war.
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So just in November, we'll all pause to mark the 100th anniversary
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of the final day of a war that became so encompassing,
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that it required historians to create an entirely new category: world war.
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So, on the 11th hour of the 11th day
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of the 11th month in 1918,
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the guns of World War I fell silent,
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but 20 million individuals lay dead.
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I know that this is a sophisticated audience,
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so you know about the rise of China.
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I'm going to focus, therefore, on the impact of China's rise,
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on the US, on the international order
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and on the prospects for war and peace.
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But having taught at Harvard over many years,
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I've learned that from time to time, it's useful to take a short pause,
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just to make sure we're all on the same page.
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The way I do this is, I call a time-out,
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I give students a pop quiz -- ungraded, of course.
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So, let's try this. Time-out, pop quiz.
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Question:
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forty years ago, 1978, China sets out on its march to the market.
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At that point, what percentage of China's one billion citizens
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were struggling to survive on less than two dollars a day?
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Take a guess -- 25 percent?
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Fifty?
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Seventy-five?
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Ninety.
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What do you think?
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Ninety.
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Nine out of every 10 on less than two dollars a day.
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Twenty eighteen, 40 years later.
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What about the numbers?
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What's your bet?
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Take a look.
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Fewer than one in 100 today.
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And China's president has promised that within the next three years,
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those last tens of millions will have been raised up
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above that threshold.
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So it's a miracle, actually, in our lifetime.
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Hard to believe.
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But brute facts are even harder to ignore.
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A nation that didn't even appear on any of the international league tables
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25 years ago
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has soared,
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to rival -- and in some areas, surpass -- the United States.
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Thus, the challenge that will shape our world:
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a seemingly unstoppable rising China
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accelerating towards an apparently immovable ruling US,
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on course for what could be the grandest collision in history.
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To help us get our minds around this challenge,
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I'm going to introduce you to a great thinker,
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I'm going to present a big idea,
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and I'm going to pose a most consequential question.
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The great thinker is Thucydides.
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Now, I know his name is a mouthful,
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and some people have trouble pronouncing it.
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So, let's do it, one, two, three, together:
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Thucydides.
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One more time: Thucydides.
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So who was Thucydides?
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He was the father and founder of history.
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He wrote the first-ever history book.
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It's titled "The History of the Peloponnesian War,"
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about the war in Greece, 2500 years ago.
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So if nothing else today, you can tweet your friends,
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"I met a great thinker.
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And I can even pronounce his name: Thucydides."
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So, about this war that destroyed classical Greece,
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Thucydides wrote famously:
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"It was the rise of Athens and the fear that this instilled in Sparta
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that made the war inevitable."
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So the rise of one
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and the reaction of the other
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create a toxic cocktail of pride,
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arrogance, paranoia,
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that drug them both to war.
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Which brings me to the big idea:
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Thucydides's Trap.
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"Thucydides's Trap" is a term I coined several years ago,
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to make vivid Thucydides's insight.
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Thucydides's Trap is the dangerous dynamic that occurs
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when a rising power threatens to displace a ruling power,
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like Athens --
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or Germany 100 years ago, or China today --
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and their impact on Sparta,
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or Great Britain 100 years ago, or the US today.
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As Henry Kissinger has said,
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once you get this idea, this concept of Thucydides's Trap in your head,
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it will provide a lens
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for helping you look through the news and noise of the day
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to understand what's actually going on.
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So, to the most consequential question about our world today:
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Are we going to follow in the footsteps of history?
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Or can we, through a combination of imagination and common sense
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and courage
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find a way to manage this rivalry
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without a war nobody wants,
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and everybody knows would be catastrophic?
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Give me five minutes to unpack this,
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and later this afternoon, when the next news story pops up for you
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about China doing this, or the US reacting like that,
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you will be able to have a better understanding of what's going on
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and even to explain it to your friends.
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So as we saw with this flipping the pyramid of poverty,
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China has actually soared.
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It's meteoric.
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Former Czech president, Vaclav Havel, I think, put it best.
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He said, "All this has happened so fast, we haven't yet had time to be astonished."
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(Laughter)
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To remind myself how astonished I should be,
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I occasionally look out the window in my office in Cambridge
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at this bridge, which goes across the Charles River,
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between the Kennedy School and Harvard Business School.
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In 2012, the State of Massachusetts said they were going to renovate this bridge,
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and it would take two years.
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In 2014, they said it wasn't finished.
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In 2015, they said it would take one more year.
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In 2016, they said it's not finished,
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we're not going to tell you when it's going to be finished.
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Finally, last year, it was finished -- three times over budget.
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Now, compare this to a similar bridge that I drove across last month in Beijing.
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It's called the Sanyuan Bridge.
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In 2015, the Chinese decided they wanted to renovate that bridge.
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It actually has twice as many lanes of traffic.
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How long did it take for them to complete the project?
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Twenty fifteen, what do you bet?
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Take a guess -- OK, three --
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Take a look.
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(Laughter)
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The answer is 43 hours.
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(Audience: Wow!)
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(Laughter)
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Graham Allison: Now, of course, that couldn't happen in New York.
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(Laughter)
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Behind this speed in execution is a purpose-driven leader
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and a government that works.
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The most ambitious and most competent leader
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on the international stage today is Chinese President Xi Jinping.
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And he's made no secret about what he wants.
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As he said when he became president six years ago,
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his goal is to make China great again --
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(Laughter)
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a banner he raised long before Donald Trump picked up a version of this.
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To that end, Xi Jinping has announced specific targets for specific dates:
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2025, 2035, 2049.
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By 2025, China means to be the dominant power
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in the major market in 10 leading technologies,
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including driverless cars, robots,
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artificial intelligence, quantum computing.
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By 2035, China means to be the innovation leader
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across all the advanced technologies.
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And by 2049, which is the 100th anniversary
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of the founding of the People's Republic,
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China means to be unambiguously number one,
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including, [says] Xi Jinping, an army that he calls "Fight and Win."
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So these are audacious goals, but as you can see,
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China is already well on its way
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to these objectives.
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And we should remember how fast our world is changing.
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Thirty years ago,
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the World Wide Web had not yet even been invented.
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Who will feel the impact of this rise of China most directly?
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Obviously, the current number one.
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As China gets bigger and stronger and richer,
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technologically more advanced,
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it will inevitably bump up against American positions and prerogatives.
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Now, for red-blooded Americans --
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and especially for red-necked Americans like me; I'm from North Carolina --
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there's something wrong with this picture.
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The USA means number one, that's who we are.
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But again, to repeat: brute facts are hard to ignore.
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Four years ago, Senator John McCain asked me to testify about this
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to his Senate Armed Services Committee.
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And I made for them a chart that you can see,
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that said, compare the US and China
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to kids on opposite ends of a seesaw on a playground,
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each represented by the size of their economy.
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As late as 2004, China was just half our size.
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By 2014, its GDP was equal to ours.
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And on the current trajectory, by 2024, it will be half again larger.
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The consequences of this tectonic change will be felt everywhere.
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For example, in the current trade conflict,
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China is already the number one trading partner
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of all the major Asian countries.
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Which brings us back to our Greek historian.
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Harvard's "Thucydides's Trap Case File" has reviewed the last 500 years of history
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and found 16 cases in which a rising power
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threatened to displace a ruling power.
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Twelve of these ended in war.
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And the tragedy of this is that in very few of these
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did either of the protagonists want a war;
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few of these wars were initiated by either the rising power
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or the ruling power.
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So how does this work?
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What happens is, a third party's provocation
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forces one or the other to react,
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and that sets in motion a spiral,
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which drags the two somewhere they don't want to go.
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If that seems crazy, it is.
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But it's life.
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Remember World War I.
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The provocation in that case
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was the assassination of a second-level figure,
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Archduke Franz Ferdinand,
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which then led the Austro-Hungarian emperor
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to issue an ultimatum to Serbia,
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they dragged in the various allies,
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within two months, all of Europe was at war.
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So imagine if Thucydides were watching planet Earth today.
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What would he say?
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Could he find a more appropriate leading man for the ruling power
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than Donald J Trump?
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(Laughter)
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Or a more apt lead for the rising power than Xi Jinping?
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And he would scratch his head
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and certainly say he couldn't think of more colorful provocateur
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than North Korea's Kim Jong-un.
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Each seems determined to play his assigned part
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and is right on script.
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So finally, we conclude again with the most consequential question,
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the question that will have the gravest consequences
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for the rest of our lives:
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Are Americans and Chinese going to let the forces of history drive us to a war
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that would be catastrophic for both?
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Or can we summon the imagination and courage
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to find a way to survive together,
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to share the leadership in the 21st century,
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or, as Xi Jinping [said], to create a new form of great power relations?
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That's the issue I've been pursuing passionately
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for the last two years.
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I've had the opportunity to talk and, indeed, to listen
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to leaders of all the relevant governments --
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Beijing, Washington, Seoul, Tokyo --
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and to thought leaders across the spectrum of both the arts and business.
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I wish I had more to report.
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The good news is that leaders are increasingly aware
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of this Thucydidean dynamic
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and the dangers that it poses.
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The bad news is that nobody has a feasible plan
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for escaping history as usual.
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So it's clear to me that we need some ideas
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outside the box of conventional statecraft --
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indeed, from another page or another space --
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which is what brings me to TED today
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and which brings me to a request.
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This audience includes many of the most creative minds on the planet,
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who get up in the morning and think
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not only about how to manage the world we have,
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but how to create worlds that should be.
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So I'm hopeful that as this sinks in and as you reflect on it,
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some of you are going to have some bold ideas, actually some wild ideas,
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that when we find, will make a difference in this space.
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And just to remind you if you do,
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this won't be the first time.
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Let me remind you of what happened right after World War II.
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A remarkable group of Americans and Europeans and others,
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not just from government, but from the world of culture and business,
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engaged in a collective surge of imagination.
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And what they imagined and what they created
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was a new international order,
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the order that's allowed you and me to live our lives, all of our lives,
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without great power war
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and with more prosperity than was ever seen before on the planet.
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So, a remarkable story.
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Interestingly, every pillar of this project that produced these results,
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when first proposed,
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was rejected by the foreign policy establishment
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as naive or unrealistic.
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My favorite is the Marshall Plan.
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After World War II, Americans felt exhausted.
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They had demobilized 10 million troops,
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they were focused on an urgent domestic agenda.
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But as people began to appreciate how devastated Europe was
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and how aggressive Soviet communism was,
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Americans eventually decided to tax themselves
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a percent and a half of GDP every year for four years
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and send that money to Europe to help reconstruct these countries,
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including Germany and Italy,
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whose troops had just been killing Americans.
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Amazing.
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This also created the United Nations.
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Amazing.
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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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The World Bank.
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NATO.
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All of these elements of an order for peace and prosperity.
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So, in a word, what we need to do is do it again.
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And I think now we need a surge of imagination, creativity,
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informed by history,
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for, as the philosopher Santayana reminded us,
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in the end, only those who refuse to study history
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are condemned to repeat it.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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