Joseph Pine: What consumers want

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I'm going to talk about a very fundamental change that is going on
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in the very fabric of the modern economy.
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And to talk about that, I'm going to go back to the beginning,
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because in the beginning were commodities.
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Commodities are things that you grow in the ground, raise on the ground or pull out of the ground:
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basically, animal, mineral, vegetable.
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And then you extract them out of the ground,
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and sell them on the open marketplace.
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Commodities were the basis of the agrarian economy
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that lasted for millennia.
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But then along came the industrial revolution,
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and then goods became the predominant economic offering,
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where we used commodities as a raw material
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to be able to make or manufacture goods.
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So, we moved from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy.
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Well, what then happened over the last 50 or 60 years,
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is that goods have become commoditized.
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Commoditized: where they're treated like a commodity,
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where people don't care who makes them.
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They just care about three things and three things only:
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price, price and price.
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Now, there's an antidote to commoditization,
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and that is customization.
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My first book was called "Mass Customization" --
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it came up a couple of times yesterday --
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and how I discovered this progression of economic value
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was realizing that customizing a good
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automatically turned it into a service,
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because it was done just for a particular person,
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because it wasn't inventoried,
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it was delivered on demand to that individual person.
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So, we moved from an industrial economy to a service-based economy.
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But over the past 10 or 20 years, what's happened is that
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services are being commoditized as well.
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Long-distance telephone service sold on price, price, price;
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fast-food restaurants with all their value pricing;
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and even the Internet is commoditizing not just goods,
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but services as well.
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What that means is that it's time
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to move to a new level of economic value.
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Time to go beyond the goods and the services,
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and use, in that same heuristic, what happens when you customize a service?
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What happens when you design a service that is so appropriate for a particular person --
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that's exactly what they need at this moment in time?
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Then you can't help but make them go "wow";
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you can't help but turn it into a memorable event --
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you can't help but turn it into an experience.
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So we're shifting to an experience economy,
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where experiences are becoming the predominant economic offering.
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Now most places that I talk to,
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when I talk about experience, I talk about Disney --
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the world's premier experience-stager.
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I talk about theme restaurants, and experiential retail,
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and boutique hotels, and Las Vegas --
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the experience capital of the world.
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But here, when you think about experiences,
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think about Thomas Dolby and his group, playing music.
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Think about meaningful places.
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Think about drinking wine,
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about a journey to the Clock of the Long Now.
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Those are all experiences. Think about TED itself.
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The experience capital in the world of conferences.
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All of these are experiences.
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Now, over the last several years I spent a lot of time in Europe,
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and particularly in the Netherlands,
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and whenever I talk about the experience economy there,
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I'm always greeted at the end with one particular question,
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almost invariably.
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And the question isn't really so much a question
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as an accusation.
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And the Dutch, when they usually put it,
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it always starts with the same two words.
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You know the words I mean?
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You Americans.
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They say, you Americans.
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You like your fantasy environments,
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your fake, your Disneyland experiences.
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They say, we Dutch, we like real,
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natural, authentic experiences.
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So much has that happened that I've developed a fairly praticed response,
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which is: I point out that first of all,
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you have to understand that there is no such thing
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as an inauthentic experience.
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Why? Because the experience happens inside of us.
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It's our reaction to the events that are staged in front of us.
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So, as long as we are in any sense authentic human beings,
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then every experience we have is authentic.
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Now, there may be more or less natural or artificial
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stimuli for the experience,
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but even that is a matter of degree, not kind.
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And there's no such thing as a 100 percent natural experience.
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Even if you go for a walk in the proverbial woods,
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there is a company that manufactured the car
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that delivered you to the edge of the woods;
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there's a company that manufactured the shoes that you have
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to protect yourself from the ground of the woods.
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There's a company that provides a cell phone service you have
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in case you get lost in the woods.
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Right? All of those are man-made,
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artificiality brought into the woods by you,
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and by the very nature of being there.
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And then I always finish off
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by talking about -- the thing that amazes me the most about this question,
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particularly coming from the Dutch,
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is that the Netherlands
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is every bit as manufactured as Disneyland.
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(Laughter)
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And the Dutch, they always go ...
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and they realize, I'm right!
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There isn't a square meter of ground in the entire country
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that hasn't been reclaimed from the sea,
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or otherwise moved, modified and manicured
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to look as if it had always been there.
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It's the only place you ever go for a walk in the woods and all the trees are lined up in rows.
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(Laughter)
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But nonetheless, not just the Dutch,
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but everyone has this desire for the authentic.
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And authenticity is therefore
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becoming the new consumer sensibility --
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the buying criteria by which consumers
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are choosing who are they going to buy from,
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and what they're going to buy.
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Becoming the basis of the economy.
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In fact, you can look at how each of these economies developed,
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that each one has their own business imperative,
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matched with a consumer sensibility.
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We're the agrarian economy, and we're supplying commodities.
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It's about supply and availability.
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Getting the commodities to market.
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With the industrial economy, it is about controlling costs --
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getting the costs down as low as possible
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so we can offer them to the masses.
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With the service economy, it is about
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improving quality.
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That has -- the whole quality movement has risen
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with the service economy over the past 20 or 30 years.
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And now, with the experience economy,
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it's about rendering authenticity.
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Rendering authenticity -- and the keyword is "rendering."
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Right? Rendering, because you have to get your consumers --
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as business people --
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to percieve your offerings as authentic.
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Because there is a basic paradox:
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no one can have an inauthentic experience,
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but no business can supply one.
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Because all businesses are man-made objects; all business is involved with money;
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all business is a matter of using machinery,
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and all those things make something inauthentic.
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So, how do you render authenticity,
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is the question.
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Are you rendering authenticity?
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When you think about that, let me go back to
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what Lionel Trilling, in his seminal book on authenticity,
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"Sincerity and Authenticity" -- came out in 1960 --
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points to as the seminal point
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at which authenticity entered the lexicon,
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if you will.
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And that is, to no surprise, in Shakespeare,
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and in his play, Hamlet.
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And there is one part in this play, Hamlet,
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where the most fake of all the characters in Hamlet, Polonius,
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says something profoundly real.
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At the end of a laundry list of advice
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he's giving to his son, Laertes,
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he says this:
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And this above all: to thine own self be true.
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And it doth follow, as night the day,
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that thou canst not then be false to any man.
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And those three verses are the core of authenticity.
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There are two dimensions to authenticity:
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one, being true to yourself, which is very self-directed.
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Two, is other-directed:
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being what you say you are to others.
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And I don't know about you, but whenever I encounter two dimensions,
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I immediately go, ahh, two-by-two!
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All right? Anybody else like that, no?
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Well, if you think about that, you do, in fact, get
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a two-by-two.
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Where, on one dimension it's a matter of being true to yourself.
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As businesses, are the economic offerings you are providing --
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are they true to themselves?
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And the other dimension is:
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are they what they say they are to others?
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If not, you have,
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"is not true to itself," and "is not what it says it is,"
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yielding a two-by-two matrix.
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And of course, if you are both true to yourself,
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and are what you say you are, then you're real real!
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(Laughter)
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The opposite, of course, is -- fake fake.
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All right, now, there is value for fake.
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There will always be companies around to supply the fake,
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because there will always be desire for the fake.
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Fact is, there's a general rule: if you don't like it, it's fake;
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if you do like it, it's faux.
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(Laughter)
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Now, the other two sides of the coin are:
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being a real fake --
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is what it says it is,
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but is not true to itself,
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or being a fake real:
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is true to itself, but not what it says it is.
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You can think about those two -- you know, both of these
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better than being fake fake -- not quite as good as being real real.
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You can contrast them by thinking about
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Universal City Walk versus
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Disney World, or Disneyland.
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Universal City Walk is a real fake --
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in fact, we got this very term
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from Ada Louise Huxtable's book, "The Unreal America."
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A wonderful book, where she talks about Universal City Walk as --
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you know, she decries the fake, but she says, at least that's a real fake,
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right, because you can see behind the facade, right?
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It is what it says it is: It's Universal Studio;
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it's in the city of Los Angeles; you're going to walk a lot.
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Right? You don't tend to walk a lot in Los Angeles,
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well, here's a place where you are going to walk a lot,
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outside in this city.
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But is it really true to itself?
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Right? Is it really in the city?
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Is it --
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you can see behind all of it,
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and see what is going on in the facades of it.
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So she calls it a real fake.
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Disney World, on the other hand, is a fake real,
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or a fake reality.
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Right? It's not what it says it is. It's not really the magic kingdom.
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(Laughter)
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But it is -- oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to --
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(Laughter)
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-- sorry.
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We won't talk about Santa Claus then.
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(Laughter)
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But Disney World is wonderfully true to itself.
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Right? Just wonderfully true to itself.
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When you are there you are just immersed
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in this wonderful environment.
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So, it's a fake real.
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Now the easiest way
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to fall down in this,
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and not be real real,
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right, the easiest way not to be true to yourself
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is not to understand your heritage,
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and thereby repudiate that heritage.
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Right, the key of being true to yourself is knowing who you are as a business.
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Knowing where your heritage is: what you have done in the past.
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And what you have done in the past limits what you can do,
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what you can get away with, essentially, in the future.
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So, you have to understand that past.
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Think about Disney again.
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Disney,
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10 or 15 years ago, right,
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the Disney -- the company that is probably
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best-known for family values out there,
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Disney bought the ABC network.
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The ABC network, affectionately known in the trade
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as the T&A network, right --
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that's not too much jargon, is it?
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Right, the T&A network. Then it bought Miramax,
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known for its NC-17 fare,
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and all of a sudden, families everywhere
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couldn't really trust what they were getting from Disney.
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It was no longer true to its heritage;
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no longer true to Walt Disney.
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That's one of the reasons why they're having such trouble today,
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and why Roy Disney is out to get Michael Eisner.
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Because it is no longer true to itself.
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So, understand what -- your past limits what you can do in the future.
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When it comes to being what you say you are, the easiest mistake that companies make
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is that they advertise
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things that they are not.
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That's when you're perceived as fake, as a phony company --
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advertizing things that you're not.
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Think about any hotel, any airline,
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any hospital.
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Right, if you could check into the ads, you'd have a great experience.
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(Laughter)
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But unfortunately, you have to experience the actual hotel,
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airline and hospital, and then you have that disconnect.
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Then you have that perception that you are phony.
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So, the number one thing to do when it comes to being what you say you are,
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is to provide places for people to experience
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who you are.
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For people to experience who you are.
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Right, it's not advertising does it.
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That's why you have companies like Starbucks,
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right, that doesn't advertise at all.
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They said, you want to know who we are, you have to come experience us.
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And think about the economic value they have provided
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by that experience.
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Right? Coffee, at its core, is what?
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Right? It's beans; right? It's coffee beans.
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You know how much coffee is worth, when treated as a commodity as a bean?
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Two or three cents per cup -- that's what coffee is worth.
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But grind it, roast it, package it, put it on a grocery store shelf,
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and now it'll cost five, 10, 15 cents,
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when you treat it as a good.
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Take that same good,
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and perform the service of actually brewing it for a customer,
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in a corner diner, in a bodega, a kiosk somewhere,
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you get 50 cents, maybe a buck
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per cup of coffee.
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But surround the brewing of that coffee
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with the ambiance of a Starbucks,
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with the authentic cedar that goes inside of there,
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and now, because of that authentic experience,
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you can charge two, three, four, five dollars
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for a cup of coffee.
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So, authenticity is becoming
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the new consumer sensibility.
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Let me summarize it, for the business people in the audience,
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with three rules, three basic rules.
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One, don't say you're authentic
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unless you really are authentic.
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Two, it's easier to be authentic
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if you don't say you're authentic.
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And three, if you say you're authentic,
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you better be authentic.
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And then for the consumers, for everyone else in the audience,
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let me simply summarize it by saying, increasingly,
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what we -- what will make us happy,
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is spending our time and our money
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satisfying the desire for authenticity.
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Thank you.
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