Jessica Kerr: Who makes judges? | TED

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ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุฃุฏู†ุงู‡ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ.

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ุงู„ู…ุชุฑุฌู…: Fatima Al-Disi ุงู„ู…ุฏู‚ู‘ู‚: omar idmassaoud
00:12
You're in a room you don't want to be in.
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ุฃู†ุช ููŠ ุบุฑูุฉ ู„ุง ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุชูˆุงุฌุฏ ููŠู‡ุงุŒ
00:16
Something bad has happened.
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ุญุฏุซ ุฃู…ุฑูŒ ุณูŠุกุŒ
00:18
There's a stranger in a suit with your future in their hands,
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดุฎุต ุบุฑูŠุจ ูŠุฑุชุฏูŠ ุจุฏู„ุฉ ูŠุญู…ู„ ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ูƒ ุจูŠู† ูŠุฏูŠู‡ุŒ
00:24
A judge.
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู‚ุงุถูŠ.
00:26
Four years ago, that judge was me.
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ู‚ุจู„ ุฃุฑุจุนุฉ ุฃุนูˆุงู…ุŒ ูƒู†ุช ุฃู†ุง ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุงุถูŠ.
00:30
The people looking up at me then had no choice but to trust me.
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ูƒุงู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠู†ุธุฑูˆู† ุฅู„ูŠ ูˆู„ุง ุฎูŠุงุฑ ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุณูˆู‰ ุงู„ูˆุซูˆู‚ ุจูŠุŒ
00:34
But what had I done to deserve it?
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ู„ูƒู† ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูุนู„ุชู‡ ู„ุฃุณุชุญู‚ ู‡ุฐุงุŸ
00:38
Australia's judicial system operates under a shroud of mystique
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ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ู†ุธุงู… ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฆูŠ ููŠ ุฃุณุชุฑุงู„ูŠุง ูŠุชุตู ุจุงู„ุบู…ูˆุถุŒ
00:43
which fends off tough questions like this.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ูŠุฏูุน ุงู„ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุตุนุจุฉ ูƒู‡ุฐุง.
00:47
But you will have the right to ask
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ู„ูƒู† ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒู… ุงู„ุญู‚ ููŠ ุทุฑุญ ุงู„ุณุคุงู„
00:49
how people like me prepare for the job of judging.
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ูƒูŠู ูŠุชุญุถุฑ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃู…ุซุงู„ูŠ ู„ู„ุนู…ู„ ููŠ ูˆุธูŠูุฉ ู‚ุงุถูุŸ
00:53
And you may not feel comfortable with the answers.
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ูˆุฑุจู‘ู…ุง ู„ู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุงุช ู…ุฑูŠุญุฉุŒ
00:57
The system needs to change.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุชู… ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุงู„ู†ุธุงู….
01:01
To set the scene, first, let's think about public confidence.
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ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ู†ุตูู ุงู„ู…ุดู‡ุฏุŒ ู„ู†ููƒุฑ ุจุงู„ุซู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุนุงู…ุฉ ุฃูˆู„ู‹ุง.
01:06
Judges in Australia are not elected.
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ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ููŠ ุฃุณุชุฑุงู„ูŠุง ู„ุง ูŠุชู… ุงู†ุชุฎุงุจู‡ู…ุŒ
01:09
Yet, the power they wield is immense.
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ุฑุบู… ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ู… ูŠู…ุชู„ูƒูˆู† ู†ููˆุฐู‹ุง ู‡ุงุฆู„ู‹ุง.
01:13
Ultimately, we trust the system
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุซู‚ ุจุงู„ู†ุธุงู… ุจุดูƒู„ู ุฃุณุงุณูŠุŒ
01:16
because we believe that judges generally get it right.
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุจุดูƒู„ ุนุงู… ูŠูุนู„ูˆู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญุŒ
01:21
If we lose that belief,
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ูˆุฅุฐุง ูู‚ุฏู†ุง ุงุนุชู‚ุงุฏู†ุง ู‡ุฐุงุŒ
01:23
we risk unbalancing the whole constitution.
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ุณู†ูˆุงุฌู‡ ุฎุทุฑ ู‚ู„ุจ ู…ูˆุงุฒูŠู† ุงู„ู†ุธุงู… ุจุฃูƒู…ู„ู‡.
01:27
But we live in a time when blind faith in elites is eroding fast.
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ููŠ ูˆู‚ุชู†ุง ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠุŒ ุงู„ุซู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุนู…ูŠุงุก ููŠ ู†ุฎุจุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃุตุจุญุช ุณุฑูŠุนุฉ ุงู„ุฒูˆุงู„ุŒ
01:33
Judges are increasingly vulnerable to the "why" question.
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ูˆุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ูŠุตุจุญูˆู† ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุนุฑุถุฉ ู„ุณุคุงู„ โ€œู„ู…ุงุฐุงุŸโ€
01:37
Why do you deserve the power we have given you?
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ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ุชุณุชุญู‚ูˆู† ุงู„ู‚ูˆุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู…ูู†ุญุช ู„ูƒู…ุŸ
01:42
And so they should be.
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ูˆู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู„ูŠู‡ู… ุฃู† ูŠุณุชุญู‚ูˆู‡ุง.
01:45
Second, it's fundamental that judges have to be seen as independent,
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ุซุงู†ูŠู‹ุงุŒ ุฅู†ู‘ู‡ ุฃู…ุฑ ุถุฑูˆุฑูŠ ุฃู† ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‘ู‡ู… ูŠุชู…ุชุนูˆู† ุจุงู„ุงุณุชู‚ู„ุงู„ุŒ
01:51
doing their jobs without fear or favor.
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ูˆูŠู‚ูˆู…ูˆู† ุจูˆุธูŠูุชู‡ู… ุจู„ุง ุฎูˆู ุฃูˆ ุชุญูŠู‘ุฒ ู„ุทุฑู.
01:54
To avoid any pressure from the government of the day,
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ู„ุฃุฌู„ ุชุฌู†ู‘ุจ ุฃูŠ ุถุบูˆุทุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุฉ ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠุฉุŒ
01:57
judges have high salaries, which can never be cut,
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ูŠุญุตู„ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุฌูˆุฑ ุนุงู„ูŠุฉ ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุชุฎููŠุถู‡ุง ุฃุจุฏู‹ุงุŒ
02:02
and they can't be fired for what they say or do.
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ุฅุถุงูุฉู‹ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุทุฑุฏู‡ู… ุจุณุจุจ ู…ุง ูŠู‚ูˆู„ูˆู†ู‡ ุฃูˆ ูŠูุนู„ูˆู†ู‡ุŒ
02:06
Unless they're obviously corrupt or mad.
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ุฅู„ุง ุฅุฐุง ุงุชู‘ุถุญ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ูุงุณุฏูˆู† ุฃูˆ ู…ุฌุงู†ูŠู†.
02:10
In exchange, judges agree to be ultrarestrained,
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ูˆุจุงู„ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ุŒ ูŠูˆุงูู‚ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู† ูŠุฎุถุนูˆุง ู„ู‚ูŠูˆุฏู ุดุฏูŠุฏุฉุŒ
02:14
both in and out of court.
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ุณูˆุงุกู‹ ุฏุงุฎู„ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุฃูˆ ุฎุงุฑุฌู‡ุง.
02:17
A kind of veil comes down when a judge is appointed.
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุชู… ุชุนูŠูŠู† ู‚ุงุถู ูŠุชู… ูƒุดู ุงู„ุณุชุงุฑ ุนู† ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ
02:21
It's a lonely way to live,
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ุฃู†ู‘ู‡ู… ูŠุนูŠุดูˆู† ููŠ ูˆุญุฏุฉุŒ
02:24
and it feeds into this sense that judges are somehow different
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูŠุชุณุจุจ ููŠ ุดุนูˆุฑู†ุง ุฃู† ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ูˆุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉู ู…ุง ู…ุฎุชู„ููˆู†
02:28
from the rest of us.
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ุนู† ุจู‚ูŠู‘ุชู†ุง.
02:30
Finally, I can tell you that all judges are in theory appointed on merit.
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ูˆุฃุฎูŠุฑู‹ุงุŒ ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ูƒู… ุฃู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ูŠุชู…ู‘ ุชุนูŠูŠู†ู‡ู… ู†ุธุฑูŠู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุณุงุณ ุงู„ุฌุฏุงุฑุฉุŒ
02:36
That sounds good.
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ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุงุŒ
02:38
And in theory it is.
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ูˆู†ุธุฑูŠู‹ุง ู‡ูˆ ูƒุฐู„ูƒ.
02:41
Judges are chosen in a confidential process
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ูŠุฌุฑูŠ ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุณุงุณ ุงู„ุซู‚ุฉุŒ
02:44
which relies heavily on advice from senior judges.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูŠุนุชู…ุฏ ุจุดูƒู„ ูƒุจูŠุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุตุงุฆุญ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู‚ุฏู…ู‡ุง ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุฏุงู…ู‰ุŒ
02:48
The people chosen are all experienced lawyers,
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ูˆุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุชู… ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑู‡ู… ู‡ู… ู…ุญุงู…ูˆู† ุฐูˆูˆ ุฎุจุฑุฉ ุนุงู„ูŠุฉุŒ
02:51
traditionally top courtroom lawyers or barristers,
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ูˆุนุงุฏุฉู‹ ู…ุง ูŠูƒูˆู†ูˆู† ู…ู† ู…ุญุงู…ูŠูŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุงุŒ
02:55
who spend their days appearing in front of judges.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู‚ุถูˆุง ุฃูŠุงู…ู‡ู… ููŠ ุงู„ุธู‡ูˆุฑ ุฃู…ุงู… ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉุŒ
02:59
They're all personally shoulder-tapped for the job,
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ูˆุฌู…ูŠุนู‡ู… ูŠุชู…ู‘ ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑู‡ู… ุจุดูƒู„ ุดุฎุตูŠ ู„ู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉุŒ
03:03
and the results are in general, pretty impressive.
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ูˆุจุดูƒู„ ุนุงู… ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ู†ุชุงุฆุฌ ู…ุจู‡ุฑุฉ.
03:07
But what do we really mean when we talk about merit?
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ู„ูƒู† ู…ุงุฐุง ู†ู‚ุตุฏ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุฌุฏุงุฑุฉุŸ
03:12
For one thing, barristers are historically maler,
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ูŠูุนุฑู ู…ุญุงู…ูˆ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุง ุชุงุฑูŠุฎูŠู‹ุง ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุฑุฌูˆู„ุฉุŒ
03:17
paler and staler than other lawyers,
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ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุดุญูˆุจู‹ุงุŒ ูˆุฃูƒุซุฑ ุตู„ุงุจุฉ ู…ู‚ุงุฑู†ุฉ ุจุงู„ู…ุญุงู…ูŠู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู†ุŒ
03:21
which is really saying something.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูŠุดูŠุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุดูŠุก ู…ุง.
03:24
It's been argued that the people who get chosen as judges are above all,
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ุฏุงุฑุช ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุดุงุช ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุชู… ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑู‡ู… ูƒู‚ุถุงุฉ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ูˆู‚ุจู„ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก
03:29
the ones who remind existing judges of themselves.
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ู‡ู… ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุฐูƒู‘ุฑูˆู† ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠูŠู† ุจุฃู†ูุณู‡ู…ุŒ
03:34
Diversity on the bench is an issue that's become impossible to ignore.
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ุชู†ูˆู‘ุน ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู†ุตุจ ู‚ุฏ ุฃุตุจุญ ู‚ุถูŠุฉู‹ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชุญูŠู„ ุชุฌุงู‡ู„ู‡ุง.
03:39
And judges are essentially picked
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ูƒู„ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุจุงู„ุถุฑูˆุฑุฉ ูŠุชู… ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑู‡ู…
03:42
based on how well they argue cases in front of judges.
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ุจู†ุงุกู‹ ุนู„ู‰ ุญุณู† ู…ู†ุงู‚ุดุชู‡ู… ู„ู„ู‚ุถุงูŠุง ุฃู…ุงู… ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ
03:48
But that doesn't really make sense.
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ู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฃู…ุฑ ุบูŠุฑ ู…ู†ุทู‚ูŠ.
03:52
Let's compare a courtroom and an operating theater.
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ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ู†ู‚ุงุฑู† ุจูŠู† ู‚ุงุนุฉ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ูˆุบุฑูุฉ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ูŠุงุช ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุณุชุดูู‰ุŒ
03:56
Barristers and judges both play essential roles in court,
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ูƒูู„ุง ุงู„ู…ุญุงู…ูŠูŠู† ูˆุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ูŠู„ุนุจูˆู† ุฏูˆุฑู‹ุง ู‡ุงู…ู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉุŒ
04:00
just like anesthetists and surgeons in an operation.
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ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ู…ุซู„ ุฃุทุจุงุก ุงู„ุชุฎุฏูŠุฑ ูˆุงู„ุฌุฑุงุญูŠู† ุฃุซู†ุงุก ุงู„ุนู…ู„ูŠุงุชุŒ
04:05
But you don't hand an anesthetist a scalpel
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ู„ูƒู† ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุนุทูŠ ุทุจูŠุจ ุงู„ุชุฎุฏูŠุฑ ู…ุดุฑุทู‹ุง
04:09
just because he's been putting people to sleep
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ู„ู…ุฌุฑู‘ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒุงู† ูŠุฎุฏุฑ ุงู„ู…ุฑุถู‰
04:11
for the surgeon for 10 years.
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ู„ู…ุฏุฉ ุนุดุฑุฉ ุฃุนูˆุงู… ู„ู„ุทุจูŠุจ ุงู„ุฌุฑุงุญ.
04:14
The underlying skill set may be the same in law as in medicine,
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ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ุงู„ู…ู‡ุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุทู„ูˆุจุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุทุจ ุชู†ุทุจู‚ ูƒุฐู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุญุงู…ุงุฉุŒ
04:20
but the jobs are fundamentally different.
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ุฑุบู… ุฃู†ู‡ู…ุง ูˆุธูŠูุชุงู† ู…ุฎุชู„ูุชุงู† ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
04:24
The strange truth about judging in countries like Australia
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ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑูŠุจุฉ ุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู‚ุฉ ุจุงู„ู‚ุถุงุก ููŠ ุฏูˆู„ ู…ุซู„ ุฃุณุชุฑุงู„ูŠุงุŒ
04:28
is that even though judges are such an important part of government,
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ู‡ูŠ ุฃู† ุจุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฃู‡ู…ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ูƒุฌุฒุก ุฃุณุงุณูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุฉุŒ
04:33
we've basically privatized the system of making them.
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ุฅู„ุง ุฃู†ู†ุง ู‚ู…ู†ุง ุจุฎุตุฎุตุฉ ู†ุธุงู… ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑู‡ู….
04:38
That work is done, if it's done at all,
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ูŠุชู… ุนู…ู„ ุฐู„ูƒ -ุฅุฐุง ุชู… ุนู…ู„ู‡ ุฃุตู„ู‹ุง-
04:40
within the private legal profession.
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ููŠ ุฅุทุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ู‡ู†ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฆูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ.
04:43
And here's the thing.
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ูˆุฅู„ูŠูƒู… ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุงู„ู‡ุงู…:
04:46
There is no judge school for wannabe judges.
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ู„ุง ุชูˆุฌุฏ ูƒู„ูŠู‘ุฉ ู‚ุถุงุฆูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ุฃู† ูŠุตุจุญูˆุง ู‚ุถุงุฉุŒ
04:51
Judicial appointment is seen as a badge of honor,
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ูŠุฑู‰ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃู† ุชุนูŠูŠู† ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ูƒุฅุนุทุงุก ูˆุณุงู… ุดุฑูุŒ
04:55
not as a professional milestone that a lawyer builds up to
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ุทุฑูŠู‚ู‹ุง ู…ู‡ู†ูŠู‹ุง ุทูˆูŠู„ุง ูŠุณู„ูƒู‡ ุงู„ู…ุญุงู…ูŠ
04:59
the way that a doctor works towards specialization.
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ู…ุซู„ู…ุง ูŠุณู„ูƒ ุงู„ุทุจูŠุจ ุทุฑูŠู‚ู‡ ู†ุญูˆ ุงู„ุงุฎุชุตุงุต.
05:03
Judges are just lawyers
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ูุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ู‡ู… ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ู…ุญุงู…ูŠูŠู†ุŒ
05:06
until the day they take the judicial oath.
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ุญุชู‰ ูŠุฃุชูŠ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุคุฏู‘ูˆู† ููŠู‡ ุงู„ู‚ุณู…ุŒ
05:10
And from that day it is sink or swim,
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ูˆู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ุŒ ุฅู…ุง ูŠุณู‚ุทูˆู† ุฃูˆ ูŠุฑุชูุนูˆู†ุŒ
05:13
except they can't be fired for incompetence.
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ุจุงุณุชุซู†ุงุก ุฃู†ู‡ู… ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุทุฑุฏู‡ู… ุจุณุจุจ ุนุฏู… ุงู„ูƒูุงุกุฉ.
05:19
How do you think it would feel
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ูƒูŠู ุชุชุฎูŠู„ูˆู† ุดุนูˆุฑูƒู…
05:23
to know your life was on the line in a judge's first ever case?
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู† ุฃู† ุญูŠุงุชูƒู… ุจูŠู† ูŠุฏูŠ ู‚ุงุถู ุงุณุชู„ู… ู„ู„ุชูˆ ู‚ุถูŠุชู‡ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ุŸ
05:30
And how do you think that judge would feel?
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ูˆูƒูŠู ุชุธู†ู‘ูˆู† ุฃู† ุดุนูˆุฑ ุงู„ู‚ุงุถูŠ ุณูŠูƒูˆู†ุŸ
05:34
The transition to the bench can be a baptism by fire.
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ุชุญูˆู‘ู„ ุงู„ู…ู†ุตุจ ูŠุดุจู‡ ุงู„ู„ุนุจ ุจุงู„ู†ุงุฑ.
05:38
I had never run a criminal trial as a lawyer,
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ุฃู†ุง ู„ู… ุฃู‚ู… ุจุฅุฌุฑุงุก ู…ุญุงูƒู…ุฉ ุฌู†ุงุฆูŠุฉ ูƒู…ุญุงู…ูŠุฉ ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ุŒ
05:43
and there I was in a magistrate's court
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ูˆุฑุบู… ุฐู„ูƒ ูƒู†ุช ููŠ ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ู‚ุงุถูŠ ุงู„ุชุญู‚ูŠู‚ุŒ
05:46
in the Seychelles,
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ููŠ ุฌุฒุฑ ุงู„ุณูŠุดุงู„ุŒ
05:47
being asked to hand down 12-year prison sentences
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ูˆุทูู„ูุจ ู…ู†ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃุนู„ู† ุนู‚ูˆุจุฉ ุณุฌู† ุชุจู„ุบ ู…ุฏุชู‡ุง 12 ุนุงู…ู‹ุง
05:52
in my first month on the job.
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ููŠ ุฃูˆู„ ุดู‡ุฑ ู…ู† ุงุณุชู„ุงู…ูŠ ู„ู„ู…ู†ุตุจุŒ
05:55
It was terrifying.
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ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุฑุนุจู‹ุง!
05:58
Is it any easier to make that transition as a top courtroom lawyer?
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ู‡ู„ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุชุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู…ู†ุตุจ ุฃุณู‡ู„ ู„ูˆ ูƒู†ุช ู…ู† ู…ุญุงู…ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุงุŸ
06:02
Well, in some ways, definitely.
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ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏุŒ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉู ุฃูˆ ุจุฃุฎุฑู‰
06:05
Barristers do know a lot of law
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ู…ุญุงู…ูˆ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุง ูŠุนุฑููˆู† ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ูˆุงู†ูŠู†ุŒ
06:08
and the years of watching judges in action do give them a head start
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ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‚ุถูˆู‡ุง ููŠ ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ูŠู‚ูˆู…ูˆู† ุจุนู…ู„ู‡ู… ู‚ุฏ ุฃูƒุณุจุชู‡ู… ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฎุจุฑุฉ
06:12
on how the process works.
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ุญูˆู„ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุงู„ุนู…ู„ุŒ
06:15
But as society changes,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ูƒู…ุง ูŠุชุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน
06:18
our expectations of judges are changing, too.
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ูุฅู† ุชูˆู‚ุนุงุชู†ุง ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุชุชุบูŠุฑ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
06:23
Judges are increasingly called on
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ูŠุชุทู„ุจ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุชุฒุงูŠุฏุŒ
06:24
for a whole range of extra nonlegal skills.
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ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ู…ู‡ุงุฑุงุช ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุฅุถุงููŠุฉ ุจุนูŠุฏู‹ุง ุนู† ุงู„ู‚ุงู†ูˆู†ุŒ
06:28
They have to be managers and leaders,
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ููŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู†ูˆุง ุฅุฏุงุฑูŠูŠู† ูˆู‚ูŠุงุฏูŠูŠู†ุŒ
06:32
politically and culturally savvy,
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ูˆู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ูˆุนูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ุฌูˆุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ุซู‚ุงููŠุฉุŒ
06:35
able to handle relentless scrutiny and social isolation.
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ูˆู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุชุญู…ู„ ุงู„ุชุฏู‚ูŠู‚ ุงู„ู…ุณุชู…ุฑ ูˆุงู„ุงู†ุนุฒุงู„ ุงู„ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนูŠุŒ
06:41
We don't necessarily expect or even value those skills in a barrister.
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ู…ู‡ุงุฑุงุช ูƒู‡ุฐู‡ ู„ูŠุณุช ุจุงู„ุถุฑูˆุฑุฉ ู…ุชูˆู‚ุนุฉ ุฃูˆ ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ู„ู…ุญุงู…ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุงุŒ
06:47
And when we aim for a more diverse judiciary,
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ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฏูู†ุง ู‚ุถุงุก ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุชู†ูˆุนู‹ุงุŒ
06:50
the problem actually gets worse.
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ุชุตุจุญ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุฃุณูˆุฃ.
06:53
If we want less male, less pale judges,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุฃู‚ู„ ุตู„ุงุจุฉ ูˆุดุญูˆุจู‹ุงุŒ
06:57
we're not likely to find them all in barristers chambers.
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ูู…ู† ุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ุญุชู…ู„ ุฃู† ู†ุฌุฏู‡ู… ุจูŠู† ู…ุญุงู…ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุงุŒ
07:01
And people who haven't spent their working lives in court
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ูˆุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู„ู… ูŠู…ุถูˆุง ุญูŠุงุชู‡ู… ุงู„ู…ู‡ู†ูŠุฉ ุฏุงุฎู„ ู‚ุงุนุงุช ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ
07:04
can't possibly be expected to just know how judging works,
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุชูˆู‚ุน ู…ู†ู‡ู… ุฃู† ูŠุนุฑููˆุง ูƒูŠู ูŠุคุฏูŠ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุนู…ู„ู‡ู…ุŒ
07:09
no matter how excellent they may be in other ways.
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ุจุบุถ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุนู† ุชู…ูŠุฒู‡ู… ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ุงุช ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ
07:13
So what you end up with is a situation where no new judge
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ูˆุนู†ุฏู‡ุง ุณู†ูƒูˆู† ููŠ ูˆุถุน ุญูŠุซ ู„ุง ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ู‚ุงุถู ุฌุฏูŠุฏ
07:18
is actually likely to have every piece of the merit puzzle.
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ูŠุชูˆู‚ุน ู…ู†ู‡ ุฃู† ูŠุญู…ู„ ูƒู„ ู‚ุทุนุฉ ู…ู† ู‚ุทุน ู„ุบุฒ ุงู„ุฌุฏุงุฑุฉุŒ
07:24
But the number and shape of those missing pieces
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ู„ูƒู† ุนุฏุฏ ูˆุดูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู‚ุทุน ุงู„ู…ูู‚ูˆุฏุฉ
07:27
varies hugely from judge to judge.
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ูŠุฎุชู„ู ุฌุฐุฑูŠู‹ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุงุถู ู„ุขุฎุฑุŒ
07:31
How is this OK?
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ูˆูƒูŠู ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู‚ุจูˆู„ู‹ุงุŸ
07:36
Why does our system assume that anyone comes ready-made
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ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠูุชุฑุถ ุงู„ู†ุธุงู… ุฃู† ูƒู„ ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ูŠุฃุชูˆู† ู…ุณุชุนุฏูŠู† ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง
07:40
for such a demanding job?
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ู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉ ุฐุงุช ู…ุชุทู„ุจุงุช ูƒุซูŠุฑุฉ ูƒู‡ุฐู‡ุŸ
07:44
It turns out there are some pretty strong cultural reasons why.
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ูŠุชุจูŠู† ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุณุจุงุจ ุงู„ุซู‚ุงููŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ูˆูŠุฉ ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
07:51
People who study judiciaries, that's me now,
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ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุฏุฑุณูˆู† ุงู„ุฃู†ุธู…ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฆูŠุฉุŒ ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู…ุง ุฃูุนู„ู‡ ุญุงู„ูŠู‹ุงุŒ
07:55
are traditionally reluctant to talk about behind-the-scenes issues,
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ู‡ู… ุนุงุฏุฉู‹ ูŠู…ุงู†ุนูˆู† ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฌุฑูŠ ุฎู„ู ุงู„ูƒูˆุงู„ูŠุณุŒ
07:59
like making judges,
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ู…ุซู„ ุตู†ุน ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉุŒ
08:01
for fear of being seen as interfering with judicial independence.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ู… ูŠุฎุดูˆู† ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุจูุนู„ู‡ู… ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุชุฏุฎู„ูˆู† ููŠ ุงุณุชู‚ู„ุงู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุก.
08:06
I think this has gone too far.
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ุฃุธู† ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู…ุจุงู„ุบุฉุŒ
08:09
Independence depends on public confidence.
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ุงู„ุงุณุชู‚ู„ุงู„ูŠุฉ ุชุนุชู…ุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุซู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุนุงู…ุฉุŒ
08:14
And we can no longer be expected to trust what can't be explained and justified.
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ูˆู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูุชูˆู‚ู‘ุน ู…ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุซู‚ ุจุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุดุฑุญู‡ุง ุฃูˆ ุชุจุฑูŠุฑู‡ุง ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ
08:22
But the legal elite have an obvious interest in maintaining the status quo.
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ู„ูƒู† ู†ุฎุจุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุงู†ูˆู†ูŠูŠู† ู…ู‡ุชู…ูˆู† ุจุดูƒู„ ูˆุงุถุญ ููŠ ุงู„ุญูุงุธ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุญุงู„ุฉ.
08:29
As a lawyer,
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ูƒู…ุญุงู…ูŠุฉ..
08:31
it feels uncomfortable to criticize a process
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ุฃุดุนุฑ ุจุนุฏู… ุงู„ุฑุงุญุฉ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุฃู†ุชู‚ุฏ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉู‹ ู…ุงุŒ
08:35
that my barrister friends say is a natural progression,
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ูŠุฑุงู‡ุง ุฃุตุฏู‚ุงุฆูŠ ู…ู† ู…ุญุงู…ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุง ุฃู…ุฑู‹ุง ุทุจูŠุนูŠู‹ุงุŒ
08:40
even a kind of right.
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ูˆุญุชู‰ ูƒู†ูˆุนู ู…ู† ุญู‚ูˆู‚ู‡ู….
08:42
And getting any lawyer to talk openly about learning how to judge is hard.
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ู…ู† ุงู„ุตุนุจ ุฃู† ุชุฌุนู„ ุฃูŠ ู…ุญุงู…ู ูŠุชูƒู„ู‘ู… ุจุฑุงุญุฉ ุนู† ุชุนู„ู… ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ู…ู…ุงุฑุณุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุก.
08:49
People like me learn quickly
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ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู…ุซู„ูŠ ูŠุชุนู„ู…ูˆู† ุจุณุฑุนุฉุŒ
08:52
that admitting to judicial ambitions is out of order.
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ุฃู†ู‘ ุชู‚ุจู„ ุทู…ูˆุญุงุช ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุก ู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ุบูŠุฑ ุตุญูŠุญ.
08:57
You can aim to be a barrister, which puts you in the running,
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ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฏููƒ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุญุงู…ูŠุง ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูƒู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุงุŒ ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูŠุนุทูŠูƒ ูุฑุตุฉ ู„ู„ู†ุฌุงุญุŒ
09:01
but you can't be seen as angling for an appointment.
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ู„ูƒู† ู„ู† ูŠุชู… ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ูŠูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ูƒ ุชุชุตูŠู‘ุฏ ูุฑุตุฉ ุงู„ุชุนูŠูŠู†.
09:06
The contrast with a profession like medicine couldn't be more stark.
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ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุชู†ุงู‚ุถ ุดุฏูŠุฏ ุงู„ูˆุถูˆุญ ุจูŠู† ู‡ุฐุง ูˆู…ู‡ู†ุฉ ูƒุงู„ุทุจุŒ
09:11
The incentives in law are all backwards.
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ูู†ุธุงู… ุงู„ุญูˆุงูุฒ ููŠ ู…ู‡ู†ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุงู†ูˆู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุนูƒุณูŠู‹ุง.
09:16
I came to realize
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ุชูˆุตู‘ู„ุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุงุณุชู†ุชุงุฌุŒ
09:18
that it was only in confronting these culture barriers
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ุฃู†ู‡ ูู‚ุท ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ู…ูˆุงุฌู‡ุฉ ุงู„ุญูˆุงุฌุฒ ุงู„ุซู‚ุงููŠุฉุŒ
09:22
that I would have any hope of breaking through
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠ ุฃูŠ ุฃู…ู„ ููŠ ุงุฎุชุฑุงู‚ู‡ุงุŒ
09:24
from the why to the how.
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ู…ู† ุงู„ุณุจุจ ูˆุญุชู‰ ุงู„ูƒูŠููŠุฉ.
09:29
So how do we talk about making judges?
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ุฅุฐู‹ุงุŒ ูƒูŠู ู†ุชูƒู„ู… ุนู† ุตู†ุน ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉุŸ
09:34
It starts with government taking more responsibility for its own processes.
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ูŠุจุฏุฃ ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู† ุชุญู…ู„ ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุฉ ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุฉ ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุญูˆู„ ุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุชู‡ุง ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉุŒ
09:41
And not just in explaining why it picks one person over another,
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ููŠ ุดุฑุญ ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ุชู… ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ ุดุฎุต ุฏูˆู†ู‹ุง ุนู† ุดุฎุต ุขุฎุฑุŒ
09:45
although that would help.
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ุฑุบู… ุฃู† ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ููŠุฏ.
09:48
At the top of my list is ongoing education for judges.
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ุนู„ู‰ ุฑุฃุณ ู‚ุงุฆู…ุชูŠ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ู„ู„ู‚ุถุงุฉุŒ
09:53
Judges in Australia do actually go to judge school now,
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ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ููŠ ุฃุณุชุฑุงู„ูŠุง ูŠู„ุชุญู‚ูˆู† ูุนู„ู‹ุง ุจูƒู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุก ุญุงู„ูŠู‹ุงุŒ
09:59
kind of,
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ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ
10:01
but only behind closed doors once they're already on the job.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ูู‚ุท ูˆุฑุงุก ุงู„ุฃุจูˆุงุจ ุงู„ู…ุบู„ู‚ุฉ ูˆุจุนุฏู…ุง ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู†ูˆุง ู‚ุฏ ุงู„ุชุญู‚ูˆุง ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุจุงู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉุŒ
10:06
It's labeled as CPD: Continuing professional development,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู…ุง ูŠุนุฑู ุจุงู„ุชุทูˆูŠุฑ ุงู„ูˆุธูŠููŠ ุงู„ู…ุณุชู…ุฑุŒ
10:10
which is totally routine and compulsory for lawyers
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ุฑูˆุชูŠู†ูŠ ูˆุฅุฌุจุงุฑูŠ ู„ู„ู…ุญุงู…ูŠู†ุŒ
10:14
and other modern professionals.
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ูˆูˆุธุงุฆู ุญุฏูŠุซุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
10:17
But because no one is supposed to tell a judge what to do
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุง ูŠูุชุฑุถ ุฃู† ูŠุฎุจุฑ ุฃุญุฏ ุงู„ู‚ุงุถูŠ ู…ุงุฐุง ุนู„ูŠู‡ ุฃู† ูŠูุนู„ุŒ
10:21
or how to think,
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ุฃูˆ ูƒูŠู ูŠููƒุฑุŒ
10:23
in case that undermines their independence,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠู‚ู„ู„ ู…ู† ุงุณุชู‚ู„ุงู„ูŠุชู‡ู…ุŒ
10:26
it's all voluntary.
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ููƒู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑูŠุŒ
10:29
In principle, a judge like me could just say no.
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ู…ุจุฏุฆูŠู‹ุงุŒ ู‚ุงุถู ู…ุซู„ูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ ุฃู† ูŠุฑูุถ ุจุจุณุงุทุฉ.
10:34
And that CPD label neatly avoids the elephant in the room,
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ุฅู† ุงู„ุชุทูˆูŠุฑ ุงู„ูˆุธูŠููŠ ุงู„ู…ุณุชู…ุฑ ูŠุชุฌู†ุจ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ุงู„ู‚ุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉุŒ
10:40
the fact that every modern lawyer needs at least some help
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃู† ูƒู„ ู…ุญุงู…ูŠ ุญุฏูŠุซ ูŠุญุชุงุฌ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ุŒ
10:44
learning how to be a good judge in the first place.
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ู„ูŠุชุนู„ู… ูƒูŠู ูŠุตุจุญ ู‚ุงุถูŠู‹ุง ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงู… ุงู„ุฃูˆู„.
10:49
There's actually some amazing work starting to happen in judicial education,
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ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุชุทูˆุฑ ุฑุงุฆุน ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฆูŠุŒ
10:55
but it is nowhere near enough.
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ู„ูƒู†ู‡ ู„ูŠุณ ุจุงู„ุญุฏ ุงู„ูƒุงููŠ.
10:59
And in any case,
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ูˆููŠ ุฃูŠุฉ ุญุงู„ุŒ
11:00
it's those pre-appointment years that matter the most.
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ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‚ุจู„ ุงู„ุชุนูŠูŠู† ู‡ูŠ ู…ุง ูŠู‡ู…ู‘ู†ุง ุจุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑุŒ
11:05
Government has taken no responsibility at all here.
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ูˆุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุฉ ู„ู… ุชุชุญู…ู„ ุฃูŠ ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
11:11
And to get past that stigma on wannabe judges,
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ูˆุญุชู‰ ู†ุชุฎุทู‰ ูˆุตู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนุงุฑ ููŠู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ุฃู† ูŠุตุจุญูˆุง ู‚ุถุงุฉุŒ
11:15
the profession itself has to change.
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ูุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ู‡ู†ุฉ ุฐุงุชู‡ุง ุฃู† ุชุชุบูŠุฑุŒ
11:19
Whether it happens formally or informally,
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ูˆุณูˆุงุก ุญุฏุซ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฑุณู…ูŠ ุฃูˆ ุบูŠุฑ ุฑุณู…ูŠุŒ
11:22
we need to be thinking about a judicial career path
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ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ููƒุฑ ุจู…ุณูŠุฑุฉ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฆูŠุฉุŒ
11:27
and actively creating judicial merit.
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ูˆุฃู† ู†ุทูˆุฑ ุจุงุณุชู…ุฑุงุฑ ุงู„ูƒูุงุกุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฆูŠุฉ.
11:31
We need to support young lawyers like me,
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ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุฏุนู… ุงู„ู…ุญุงู…ูŠู† ุงู„ูŠุงูุนูŠู† ุฃู…ุซุงู„ูŠุŒ
11:35
particularly the diverse ones,
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ูˆุชุญุฏูŠุฏู‹ุง ุงู„ู…ุชู†ูˆู‘ุนูŠู† ู…ู†ู‡ู…ุŒ
11:37
to do things that will make them great judges,
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ู„ูŠูุนู„ูˆุง ุฃู…ูˆุฑู‹ุง ุชู…ูƒู†ู‡ู… ู…ู† ุฃู† ูŠุตุจุญูˆุง ู‚ุถุงุฉ ุฑุงุฆุนูŠู†ุŒ
11:41
not just great lawyers,
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ู…ุญุงู…ูŠู† ุฑุงุฆุนูŠู†ุŒ
11:44
especially when those things
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ูˆุฎุงุตุฉู‹ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠุŒ
11:47
are not likely to get them promoted as lawyers.
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ู…ู† ุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ุญุชู…ู„ ุฃู† ุชุฌุนู„ู‡ู… ูŠุญุตู„ูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ุชุฑู‚ูŠุฉ ูƒู…ุญุงู…ูŠู†.
11:51
In hindsight, I wish I'd had way more experience
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ุงู„ุขู† ูˆุจุนุฏ ููˆุงุช ุงู„ุฃูˆุงู†ุŒ ุฃุชู…ู†ู‰ ู„ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุญุตู„ุช ุนู„ู‰ ุฎุจุฑุฉ ุฃูˆุณุนุŒ
11:55
in things like community justice,
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ููŠ ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ุนุฏุงู„ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุนูŠุฉุŒ
11:58
technology and management.
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ูˆุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ูˆุงู„ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉุŒ
12:02
And I so wish I could have gone to judge school.
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ูˆุฃุชู…ู†ู‰ ู„ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุชู…ูƒู†ุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุงู„ุชุญุงู‚ ุจูƒู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุก.
12:07
Better prepared lawyers would mean better inputs
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ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุงู„ู…ุญุงู…ูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุฌู‡ุฒูŠู† ุจุดูƒู„ ุฃูุถู„ ูŠุนู†ูŠ ู…ุฏุฎู„ุงุช ุฃูุถู„ุŒ
12:11
for those people who choose and manage judges
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ู„ู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุฎุชุงุฑูˆู† ูˆูŠุฏูŠุฑูˆู† ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉุŒ
12:15
and ultimately better evidence that those judges deserve your trust.
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ูˆู‡ู… ุฏู„ูŠู„ ุฃูุถู„ ุฃู† ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฉ ูŠุณุชุญู‚ูˆู† ุซู‚ุชูƒู… ุจุดูƒู„ ุฃุณุงุณูŠุŒ
12:23
And that's what it all comes back to.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ู…ุง ูŠุนูŠุฏู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ู†ู‚ุทุฉ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉ.
12:26
Any of us, any day,
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ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ู…ู†ู‘ุง ูˆููŠ ุฃูŠ ูŠูˆู…ุŒ
12:30
could find our future in the hands of a judge.
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ู‚ุฏ ูŠุฌุฏ ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ู‡ ุจูŠู† ุฃูŠุฏูŠ ู‚ุงุถูุŒ
12:35
In that moment,
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ูˆููŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุฉุŒ
12:36
we need to be able to look each other in the eye
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ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ู‚ุงุฏุฑูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ููŠ ุฃุนูŠู† ุจุนุถู†ุงุŒ
12:40
and know we can trust the system.
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ูˆู†ุนู„ู… ุฃู†ู‘ู‡ ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุซู‚ ุจุงู„ู†ุธุงู….
12:45
Thank you.
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ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู….
12:46
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ุญูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน

ุณูŠู‚ุฏู… ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน ู…ู‚ุงุทุน ููŠุฏูŠูˆ YouTube ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชุนู„ู… ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ. ุณุชุฑู‰ ุฏุฑูˆุณ ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชู… ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ู…ุฏุฑุณูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…. ุงู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูˆุถุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุตูุญุฉ ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ูŠุชู… ุชู…ุฑูŠุฑ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุงุช ุจุงู„ุชุฒุงู…ู† ู…ุน ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ. ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃูŠ ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุฃูˆ ุทู„ุจุงุช ุŒ ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ุจู†ุง ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง.

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