Native English Conversation: Life in Malta with Leonardo English

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English Like A Native


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Hello, and welcome to The English Like a Native Podcast, the listening
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ค‘๊ธ‰์—์„œ ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ฒญ์ทจ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค์ธ The English Like a Native Podcast์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:04
resource for intermediate to advanced-level English learners.
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00:08
My name is Anna and today we have a very special guest.
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์ œ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Anna์ด๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์•„์ฃผ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์†๋‹˜์„ ๋ชจ์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:12
You might even recognise his voice.
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๊ทธ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋ณผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:15
His name is Alastair Budge and you might know him from English
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๊ทธ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Alastair Budge์ด๋ฉฐ English
00:19
Learning for Curious Minds.
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Learning for Curious Minds์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž˜
00:21
How are you, Alastair?
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์ง€๋‚ด์š”, ์•Œ๋ผ์Šคํ…Œ์–ด?
00:23
I am fantastic.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ด๋‹ค.
00:24
How are you, Anna?
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์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด์š”, ์•ˆ๋‚˜?
00:26
I'm very well, thank you.
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๋‚œ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„, ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ.
00:27
It's nice to see your face.
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์–ผ๊ตด์„ ๋ณด๋‹ˆ ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ‘๋„ค์š”.
00:28
It looks like you're in a nice sunny place there.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ–‡๋น›์ด ์ž˜ ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:31
I am, yes.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:32
It is about 20ยฐ outside and the sun is shining, there is a blue sky, which I
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๋ฐ”๊นฅ ๊ธฐ์˜จ์€ 20ยฐ ์ •๋„์ด๊ณ  ํƒœ์–‘์ด ๋น›๋‚˜๊ณ  ํ‘ธ๋ฅธ ํ•˜๋Š˜์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ œ๊ฐ€
00:39
understand is slightly different to the situation where you are at the moment.
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์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ๊ณผ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:43
Yes, yes, I am slightly envious, I have to be honest.
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๋„ค, ๋„ค, ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ถ€๋Ÿฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†”์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ฃ .
00:46
We do have blue skies and sunshine, but we also have minus numbers over here in terms
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ํ‘ธ๋ฅธ ํ•˜๋Š˜๊ณผ ํ–‡๋น›์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ
00:52
of our temperature, it's -5ยฐ, although it may have warmed up slightly, but it
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๊ธฐ์˜จ์€ -5ยฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•ด์กŒ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
00:57
was -5ยฐ when I went out this morning.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ์— ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ๋Š” -5ยฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:59
It's certainly different to your 20ยฐ.
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20ยฐ์™€๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:01
I would swap with you happily.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตํ™˜ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:04
The last time we worked together was on a very different project.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•œ ๋•Œ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
01:07
Do you want to talk a little bit about that?
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์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ?
01:09
That was a story-based podcast called Pioneers of the Continuum,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž‘๋…„์— ๋‚˜์˜จ Pioneers of the Continuum์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์Šคํ† ๋ฆฌ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:15
which came out last year.
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01:16
It was a kind of collaboration between lots of amazing English
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์˜์–ด
01:20
language podcasters and people from YouTube, including yourself.
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ํŒŸ์บ์Šคํ„ฐ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•œ YouTube ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ํ˜‘๋ ฅ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:24
And if people listening to this have not listened to that show then you
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•ด๋‹น ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ๋“ฃ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด
01:28
can definitely go and check it out.
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๊ผญ ๊ฐ€์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•ด ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:29
It's called Pioneers at the Continuum.
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์—ฐ์†์ฒด์˜ ๊ฐœ์ฒ™์ž๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:31
There was a group of time-travelling friends and they all go back to a
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์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘
01:34
certain time in history, and they experience some fun things; and Anna
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์—ญ์‚ฌ์ƒ ํŠน์ • โ€‹โ€‹์‹œ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Anna๊ฐ€
01:40
plays, I've forgotten the name of your character, Anna, but you play...
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์—ฐ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ ์ด๋ฆ„์ธ Anna๋ฅผ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋‹น์‹ ์€... Ellie๋ฅผ ์—ฐ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:43
Ellie.
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01:44
Ellie.
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01:44
Ellie, that's right!
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์—˜๋ฆฌ.
์—˜๋ฆฌ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฌ๋‚˜!
01:45
You go back to the time of the suffragettes...
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฐธ์ •๊ถŒ ์‹œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š”๊ตฐ์š” ...
01:49
That's right.
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01:49
...and have some fun.
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๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
...๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด์„ธ์š”.
01:50
So, if you'd like to hear Anna pretending to be a person in the
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ, ์ฐธ์ •๊ถŒ ์‹œ๋Œ€์— ์•ˆ๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ ์ฒ™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด
01:55
time of the suffragettes, then you should definitely go and listen
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๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ๊ฐ€์„œ
01:58
to Pioneers of the Continuum.
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Pioneers of the Continuum์„ ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:00
Yeah, that was a really good fun project.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์˜€์–ด์š”.
02:02
It definitely kind of plays into my love of acting and,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์—ฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‚˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘๊ณผ
02:06
you know, embodying characters.
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์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ ๊ตฌํ˜„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:08
So, I had a lot of fun.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:09
So, thank you again for including me in that project.
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๊ทธ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์— ์ €๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จ์‹œ์ผœ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:13
So, you are in a place that has beautiful weather.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:17
Where exactly are you?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
02:20
So, I'm in a small country called Malta at the moment.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ชฐํƒ€๋ผ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ์™€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€์ค‘ํ•ด
02:25
It is a tiny rock in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea.
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ํ•œ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๋ฐ”์œ„์ด๋‹ค .
02:29
If you imagine where Sicily is, so for people who can't imagine where
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์‹œ์น ๋ฆฌ์•„๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋”˜์ง€ ์ƒ์ƒํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‹œ์น ๋ฆฌ์•„๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋”˜์ง€ ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„๋ผ๋Š” '
02:34
Sicily is, it's the, 'the ball', 'the leg' that is Italy is kicking.
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๊ณต', '๋‹ค๋ฆฌ'๊ฐ€ ์ฐจ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:38
And if you go almost exactly a hundred kilometres south from there,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋‚จ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ 100ํ‚ฌ๋กœ๋ฏธํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ๋ฐ”๋‹ค
02:43
you hit a tiny little rock in the middle of the sea and that is Malta.
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ํ•œ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๋ฐ”์œ„์— ๋ถ€๋”ชํžˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋ชฐํƒ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:48
Yeah, I have very fond memories of Malta.
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๋„ค, ์ €๋Š” ๋ชฐํƒ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์ถ”์–ต์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ธฐ์–ต์— ๋‚จ๋Š”
02:51
It was one of my first trips abroad that I can remember as a child.
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์ฒซ ํ•ด์™ธ ์—ฌํ–‰ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:57
So, my mum had told me that we were going to go to Blackpool for Easter.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—„๋งˆ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€ํ™œ์ ˆ์— ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€์— ๊ฐˆ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”.
03:02
I was very excited about going to Blackpool.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€์— ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:05
And then she kept buying all these clothes for our holiday
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํœด๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด
03:07
that were all very summery.
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์•„์ฃผ ์—ฌ๋ฆ„์— ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ท๋“ค์„ ๊ณ„์† ์‚ฌ์คฌ์–ด์š”.
03:08
And I was like,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
03:09
"Mum, it's quite cold at Easter and Blackpool's quite windy
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"์—„๋งˆ, ๋ถ€ํ™œ์ ˆ์€ ๊ฝค ์ถฅ๊ณ  ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€์€ ํ•ด์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋ถˆ์–ด์š”
03:13
because it's on the coast.
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.
03:14
Are you sure we're going to Blackpool?"
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€์— ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ํ™•์‹คํ•ด์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ .
03:16
And she said,
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"Oh, don't you know, Blackpool's always very hot at Easter.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
"์˜ค, ๋ชจ๋ฅด์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€์€ ๋ถ€ํ™œ์ ˆ์— ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋งค์šฐ ๋”์›Œ์š”.
03:20
It's like a phenomenon that just happens."
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ํ˜„์ƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:22
And I'm like,
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03:22
"What?"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š”
"๋ญ?"
03:24
I believed her and then we got in the car to go with our cases.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ผ€์ด์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ฐจ์— ํƒ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:28
And I said,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
03:29
"Where are we going?
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋””๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฑธ๊นŒ์š”?
03:30
Because we don't seem to be going the route to Blackpool."
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๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ธธ์€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:32
She's like,
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03:32
"No, we're going to take a bus to Blackpool.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
"์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋ฒ„์Šค๋ฅผ ํƒˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
03:34
We're going to the station, the bus station."
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ญ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š” , ๋ฒ„์Šค ์ •๋ฅ˜์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”."
03:36
Oh right.
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03:36
Okay.
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์•„ ๋งž๋‹ค.
์ข‹์•„์š”.
03:37
And then I kept seeing all these like vans and things with
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ฐด ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ,
03:40
Manchester Airport written on them.
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๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ ๊ณตํ•ญ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ ํžŒ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ณ„์† ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:42
I was like,
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03:42
"Oh, that bus must be going to Manchester Airport.
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๋‚˜๋Š”
"์•„, ์ € ๋ฒ„์Šค๋Š” ๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ ๊ณตํ•ญ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ํ‹€๋ฆผ์—†์–ด.
03:45
And that bus is going to Manchester Airport.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ € ๋ฒ„์Šค๋Š” ๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ ๊ณตํ•ญ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
03:48
And that one's going to Manchester Airport."
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ € ๋ฒ„์Šค๋Š” ๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ ๊ณตํ•ญ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์•ผ."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
03:49
And then she went,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
03:50
"We're at the airport we're actually flying to Blackpool."
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ณตํ•ญ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€๋กœ ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๊ณ  ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:53
And I was like,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
03:54
"What we're gonna fly to Blackpool!
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€๋กœ ๋‚ ์•„๊ฐˆ ๊ฑฐ์ž–์•„!
03:56
That's amazing!"
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์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด!"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
03:58
And then we get in there and obviously she couldn't hide it anymore because
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”๊ณ  ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋ชฐํƒ€๋กœ ํ–ฅํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฐœํ‘œ๋œ ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ–ฅํ•ด ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ˆจ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:02
we were going towards the flight that was being announced for Malta.
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.
04:05
So, it's just this endless surprise that my mum kept bringing out.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊บผ๋‚ด์ฃผ์‹  ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋์—†๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์›€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:10
And yeah, it was a fantastic holiday.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ธ ํœด๊ฐ€์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:12
And so, I've got very fond memories of what a beautiful little country with
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต๊ณ  ํ‘ธ๋ฅธ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค์™€ ํ•ด๋ณ€์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์ž‘์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์ถ”์–ต์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:17
beautiful blue seas and beaches and you know, it was very nice, very nice.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:23
So, why are you in Malta?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์™œ ๋ชฐํƒ€์— ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
04:25
You're living there.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
04:27
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
04:28
It's not just a temporary thing.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ผ์‹œ์ ์ธ ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:29
I've been living here since the start of 2017.
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์ €๋Š” 2017๋…„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ด๊ณณ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
04:33
So, yeah, for seven years now.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ๋„ค, ๋ฒŒ์จ 7๋…„์ด ๋์–ด์š”.
04:36
Right.
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04:36
For nearly as long as I've been a YouTuber doing English Like a Native on YouTube.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
์ €๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ YouTube์—์„œ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” YouTube ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”
04:42
I moved here with my then-girlfriend because she was offered a job
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๋‹น์‹œ ์—ฌ์ž ์นœ๊ตฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ ์ผ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ œ์•ˆ ๋ฐ›์•˜๊ณ 
04:46
here at the university and it was meant to be a one-year thing
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04:52
to kind of see if we liked it.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ 1 ๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋กœ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:54
Seven years later, she's now my wife, we've got two little Maltese
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7๋…„ ํ›„, ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ด์ œ ๋‚ด ์•„๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ , ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ์ž‘์€ ๋ชฐํƒ€
04:57
babies and it has become a sort of temporary home for us, I guess.
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์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒผ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ณณ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ž„์‹œ ์ง‘์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:02
And when you first had that discussion about, oh, I've been
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฒ˜์Œ ์œผ๋กœ '์•„, ๋‚˜
05:07
offered a job, was there any doubts about whether you would go?
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์ผ์ž๋ฆฌ ์ œ์•ˆ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๊ตฌ์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
05:11
Were you apprehensive?
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๋ถˆ์•ˆํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
05:12
Did you have any reservations about moving to a new country?
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋‚˜๋ผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์˜๊ตฌ์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
05:16
Because even for a year, it's quite a big step to take.
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1๋…„๋งŒ ํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ๊ฝค ํฐ ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ์„ ๋‚ด๋”›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š”
05:20
There were a few doubts, I guess, at the start.
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๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š”
05:22
I was in a period of my career where it was possible to work remotely and to have
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์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ 
05:28
a bit of a break from what I was doing.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋˜ ์ผ์—์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ํœด์‹์„ ์ทจํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๋‚ด ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:30
So, from my perspective, I thought, you know, "Why not?"
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ๋Š” "์™œ ์•ˆ๋ผ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:34
What's the worst that can happen?
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์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ตœ์•…์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? 1๋…„
05:36
That you go to somewhere for a year and you don't like it.
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๋™์•ˆ ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์— ๊ฐ”๋Š”๋ฐ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ.
05:39
And then, you know, it's only a year, things are always reversible.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  1 ๋…„๋งŒ ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜ ๋˜๋Œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:44
And at that point in time, you know, it was just the two of us, we didn't have
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜๋ฟ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ฐ€์ง„
05:47
a huge amount of stuff, we didn't own a house, we didn't have much, so it was very
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๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ณ , ์ง‘๋„ ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ  , ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค์šฐ
05:52
easy to kind of pack up our life in London and come over here for a little bit.
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์‰ฌ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Ÿฐ๋˜ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ์ •๋ฆฌ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์ž ์‹œ ์˜ค์„ธ์š”.
05:58
Things are a little bit different now, we've got a bit more stuff, including two
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์กŒ๊ณ , ์ธ๊ฐ„ ๋‘ ๋ช…์„ ํฌํ•จํ•ด ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์ด ์ข€ ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์กŒ๊ธฐ
06:02
humans, so leaving would be slightly more complicated, but it was a relatively easy
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋– ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋ณต์žกํ•˜๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
06:08
choice to take at that point in time.
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๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋น„๊ต์  ์‰ฌ์šด ์„ ํƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:12
So, you mentioned that you didn't own a house because that would be
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ง‘์„ ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
06:14
the first thing that would come to my mind if I was doing a temporary
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ž„์‹œ๋กœ
06:19
suck it and see kind of move for a short period to see if I liked it.
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์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์งง์€ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์–ด๋–ค ์›€์ง์ž„์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:23
If you're selling a house in this country, a lot of people own their house.
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์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์ง‘์„ ํŒŒ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ , ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ง‘์„ ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:27
There's a lot of expectation in society that you would at some point
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์‚ฌํšŒ์—์„œ๋Š” ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š”
06:32
buy your own house, but selling is expensive and you know, a slow process.
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ง‘์„ ์‚ด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํŒ๋งคํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š” ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค๊ณ  ๊ณผ์ •๋„ ๋Š๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:38
So, then if you're doing it just to move out to somewhere for a year,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 1๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
06:42
then you don't like it, you have to come back and then you have to buy a
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๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ๋Œ์•„์™€์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
06:45
house again, get back into the housing market, which is very difficult.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ์ง‘์„ ์‚ฌ์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฃผํƒ ์‹œ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค.
06:48
In this country we call it getting back onto the ladder.
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์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ ์œ„๋กœ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ '๋‹ค์‹œ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:51
So, you get onto the housing ladder, the property ladder.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฃผํƒ ์‚ฌ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ, ์žฌ์‚ฐ ์‚ฌ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:55
And so, you didn't own, but do you own in Malta?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ชฐํƒ€์—์„œ๋Š” ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
06:58
Do people in Malta buy their houses?
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๋ชฐํƒ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ง‘์„ ์‚ฌ๋‚˜์š”?
07:01
Yes, people in Malta...
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๋„ค, ๋ชฐํƒ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€... ์ง‘์„ ์‚ฌ๊ณ  ํŒŒ๋Š”
07:02
it's sort of a national sport, buying and selling houses.
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ตญ๋ฏผ ์Šคํฌ์ธ ์ฃ  .
07:05
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
07:06
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
07:07
But, I'm not partaking in that national sport, no.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ตญ๋ฏผ ์Šคํฌ์ธ ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:10
Okay.
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07:10
So, it keeps it quite easy for you, footloose and fancy-free.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์•„์ฃผ ์‰ฝ๊ณ , ๋ฐœ์ด ๋Š์Šจํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™”๋ คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜๋ผ๋ฉด
07:14
You can pick up and go as long as you take your children with you.
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ํ”ฝ์—…ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
07:19
Indeed.
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07:19
Yeah.
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07:19
I gotta remember them.
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๋ฌผ๋ก .
์‘.
๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
07:20
So what was your experience in terms of language learning?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€ ์–ด๋– ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:24
Do they speak English in Malta?
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๋ชฐํƒ€์—์„œ๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€์— ๊ฐˆ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์•ˆํ•˜์…จ๋˜
07:26
When you mentioned your story of your mum kind of suggesting you
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์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ์„ ๋•Œ
07:30
might be going to Blackpool and actually you arrived in Malta.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ชฐํƒ€์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:33
If you first got off the plane and you thought you'd actually landed in
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์ฒ˜์Œ ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋‚ด๋ ค ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€์— ์ฐฉ๋ฅ™ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
07:36
Blackpool, it wouldn't be so far wrong.
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, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ํ‹€๋ฆฐ ๋ง์€ ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:41
Malta obviously looks very different to Blackpool, but there are a lot
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๋ชฐํƒ€๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€๊ณผ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด์ง€๋งŒ,
07:44
of things that are very similar between the UK and Malta for
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์˜๊ตญ๊ณผ ๋ชฐํƒ€ ์‚ฌ์ด์—๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ์ ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ
07:49
reasons I'll explain in a minute.
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์ด์œ ๋Š” ์ž ์‹œ ํ›„์— ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:50
But one of the things is that English is an official language of Malta.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ชฐํƒ€์˜ ๊ณต์‹ ์–ธ์–ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:55
There are two official languages, Maltese and English.
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๊ณต์‹ ์–ธ์–ด๋Š” ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด์™€ ์˜์–ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:58
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
07:59
It wasn't particularly difficult at all because literally everyone speaks English.
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๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์–ด๋ ต์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:05
And this is not like some perhaps pretentious Brit going to, you
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ฐ€์‹์ ์ธ ์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ด
08:10
know, Madrid or Berlin and saying,
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๋งˆ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋“œ๋‚˜ ๋ฒ ๋ฅผ๋ฆฐ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ
08:12
"Oh no, it's okay, everyone's going to speak English."
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"์•„๋‡จ, ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”. ๋‹ค๋“ค ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:14
It is actually an official language; the main newspaper
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ณต์‹ ์–ธ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:17
in the country is in English.
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๊ทธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์‹ ๋ฌธ์€ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:19
All the signs are in English.
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๋ชจ๋“  ํ‘œ์‹œ๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ
08:20
It has such a high population of foreigners now that you're
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์ธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์•„
08:24
in lots of areas, including the area in which we live.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ง€์—ญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:28
If you go to any bar or restaurant and if you were to speak Maltese,
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์ˆ ์ง‘์ด๋‚˜ ๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
08:31
lots of people wouldn't even be able to speak Maltese back to you.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:34
Really?
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์ •๋ง?
08:35
So, it is interesting in terms of, with my, you know, background as a
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์ €์˜ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ๊ณผ
08:40
language learner and being involved in helping people learn English,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋„๋ก ๋•๋Š” ์ผ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์—์„œ
08:45
one part of me thought, you know,
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์ œ ๋งˆ์Œ ์† ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€
08:46
"I've got to lean in and learn as much Maltese as I can."
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"๋‚˜๋Š” ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งŽ์ด ์˜์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”."
08:51
But the reality is that even some of my Maltese friends here don't speak Maltese.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ˜„์‹ค์€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚ด ๋ชฐํƒ€ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋„ ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค
08:56
It's really in the category of things that I would have done only
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09:01
for my personal enjoyment really, rather than any kind of utility.
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์–ด๋–ค ํšจ์šฉ์ด๋ผ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋งŒ ํ–ˆ์„ ์ผ์˜ ๋ฒ”์ฃผ์— ์†ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:06
It's a very hard language.
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์ฐธ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์–ธ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:07
It's a very complicated language from a grammar point of view to such an
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ ์ธ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณผ
09:11
extent that because so many people in Malta, so many Maltese people, have got
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๋•Œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชฐํƒ€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค , ์ฆ‰ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ชฐํƒ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
09:18
such good English, there are certain things they do in English, even if
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉ ํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:23
they're speaking Maltese to each other.
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์„œ๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ.
09:24
For example, counting.
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๊ณ„์‚ฐ.
09:26
Numbers in Maltese are very complicated.
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๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด์˜ ์ˆซ์ž๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋ณต์žกํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:29
And so if you hear two people speaking Maltese to each other, and
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์„œ๋กœ ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
09:33
then they're talking about a number, they'll use the English number.
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์ˆซ์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์˜์–ด ์ˆซ์ž๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์–ด
09:36
Because numbers in English are easy, right?
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๋กœ ๋œ ์ˆซ์ž๋Š” ์‰ฝ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”?
09:39
You learn 1-10, or 1-20, rather, and then you say 20, 30, 40, and your hundreds,
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1~10, 1~20์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  20, 30, 40, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด
09:45
and then you, you've got them all.
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๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹ค ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:47
In Maltese, it's a lot more complicated, so people even who are speaking Maltese
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๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด์—์„œ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋ณต์žกํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„
09:51
will use English numbers in general.
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜์–ด ์ˆซ์ž๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:54
So, my long-winded answer to your question is that I understand some very basic
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ €์˜ ์žฅํ™ฉํ•œ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ
10:01
Maltese, but I am not a Maltese speaker because I've not really attempted to be.
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๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์‹œ๋„ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:07
It was in the category of things where I thought my attention
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๋‚ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด
10:09
is better used elsewhere.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์— ๋” ์ž˜ ํ™œ์šฉ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฒ”์ฃผ์— ์†ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ณณ
10:11
I guess that was a bit of a relief for you because if you are moving to
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์œผ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด
10:16
a new place and you have to get over the language barrier that's quite a
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์–ธ์–ด ์žฅ๋ฒฝ์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์–ธ์–ด ์žฅ๋ฒฝ์€
10:20
big barrier to get through as well as having to then settle into a new culture.
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๊ทน๋ณตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ํฐ ์žฅ๋ฒฝ์ผ ๋ฟ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฌธํ™”์— ์ ์‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์•ˆ๋„๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:26
But if English is widely spoken there, then that makes at least
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋„๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์˜์–ด
10:30
one part of it quite easy for you.
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์˜ ์ ์–ด๋„ ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๊ฝค ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋Š๊ปด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:33
You mentioned there were some differences.
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ฐจ์ด์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
10:35
There were some cultural differences.
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:36
What are the major cultural differences that you've noticed between between
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10:40
where you are in Malta and the UK?
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชฐํƒ€์™€ ์˜๊ตญ ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•œ ์ฃผ์š” ๋ฌธํ™”์  โ€‹โ€‹์ฐจ์ด์ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
10:42
What was hard to adjust to and what was quite nice?
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์ ์‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์› ๋˜ ์  ๊ณผ ์ข‹์•˜๋˜ ์ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
10:47
Maybe I'll start with the quite nice things, or the easy things first, because
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋จผ์ € ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
10:52
maybe it's easier to pinpoint them.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์ฐพ์•„๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์‰ฝ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:54
But there are so many just very basic things about life in Malta and the way
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋ชฐํƒ€์˜ ์ƒํ™œ๊ณผ
11:01
that Maltese society is structured that make it very easy for an English speaker
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๋ชฐํƒ€ ์‚ฌํšŒ์˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์•„์„œ ์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž
11:07
and a Brit to exist in; ranging from the very practical but helpful thing
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์™€ ์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ด ์‚ด๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
11:12
that you don't have to learn another language even through to things like,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
11:15
you know, the plugs are the same.
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ํ”Œ๋Ÿฌ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋˜‘๊ฐ™๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:17
People in Malta drive on the same side of the road.
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๋ชฐํƒ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋„๋กœ์˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ชฝ์—์„œ ์šด์ „ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:20
There are the tiny things that a non-Brit might not necessarily notice.
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์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:24
But things like the buttons for the road crossings come from the UK, right?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ฑด๋„๋ชฉ ๋ฒ„ํŠผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑด ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ ์˜จ ๊ฑฐ์ž–์•„์š”?
11:31
They're exactly the same as the ones that you probably press if you're
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11:34
taking your kids to school in the morning; the post boxes looks the same.
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์•„์นจ์— ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ ๋ˆ„๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ์ฒดํ†ต์€ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
11:38
The phone boxes look the same.
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์ „ํ™”๋ฐ•์Šค๋„ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์•„ ๋ณด์ด๋„ค์š”.
11:40
Because of the fact that the cars drive on the same side of the road, lots
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์ž๋™์ฐจ๊ฐ€ ๋„๋กœ์˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ชฝ์„ ์ฃผํ–‰ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
11:46
of, for example, lots of the rubbish trucks are just ones that have kind of
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋งŽ์€ ์“ฐ๋ ˆ๊ธฐ ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์€
11:51
got past their sell-by date in the UK.
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์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ ํŒ๋งค ๊ธฐํ•œ์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:53
I was walking the other day and I saw a rubbish truck that said
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์–ผ๋งˆ ์ „ ๊ธธ์„ ๊ฐ€๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋ธŒ๋กฌ๋ฆฌ ์˜ํšŒ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ ํžŒ ์“ฐ๋ ˆ๊ธฐ ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์„ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:57
Bromley Council on and, you know, that's a council from the UK.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์˜๊ตญ ์˜ํšŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:01
So, that's probably a rubbish truck that has, like, gone to however many
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„
12:05
hundred thousand miles, got past its useful service in the UK and
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์ˆ˜์‹ญ๋งŒ ๋งˆ์ผ์„ ์ด๋™ํ•˜์—ฌ ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ ์œ ์šฉํ•œ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณต๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ 
12:09
is now being shipped off to Malta.
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ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ชฐํƒ€๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์†ก๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์“ฐ๋ ˆ๊ธฐ ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชฐํƒ€ ์ƒํ™œ์—๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ์œ„์•ˆ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
12:11
There's lots of these very strange kind of slightly familiar things about
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๋งค์šฐ ์ด์ƒํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์นœ์ˆ™ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:16
life in Malta that can be comforting to a certain extent to Brits.
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.
12:22
And that's also why it's a big holiday destination for people
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜๊ตญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ํœด๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:25
from the UK, because you kind of get on your plane, arrive here and
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๊ณ  ์ด๊ณณ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•˜๋ฉด
12:29
kind of slip very comfortably into life in Britain, just a bit hotter.
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์ข€ ๋” ๋”์šด ์˜๊ตญ ์ƒํ™œ์— ๋งค์šฐ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋น ์ ธ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:35
You can have your pint of beer and your full English breakfast, and there's
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๋งฅ์ฃผ ํ•œ ์ž”๊ณผ ์˜๊ตญ์‹ ์•„์นจ ์ •์‹์„ ์ฆ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
12:39
even pubs that serve Sunday roast.
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์„ ๋ฐ์ด ๋กœ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ํŽ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:41
So, there are lots and lots of British people here.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์ด ์•„์ฃผ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:45
Fewer in the past few years but it's always been a very popular destination
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์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์ค„์–ด๋“ค์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ญ์ƒ
12:49
for people coming from the UK.
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์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ ์˜ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ์ธ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชฉ์ ์ง€์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”
12:51
In terms of the harder things, I mean, kind of bad saying it perhaps, but
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์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‚˜์˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ชฐํƒ€
12:57
because there are so many foreigners in Malta, the working population of people
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์—๋Š” ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชฐํƒ€์˜ ๋…ธ๋™ ์ธ๊ตฌ๋Š”
13:02
in Malta is, there's only slightly more Maltese people than foreigners.
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์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋ชฐํƒ€์ธ์ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋” ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:06
So, it's so expat-driven and there are so many areas that are dominated by
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์ด๊ณ  ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด ์ง€๋ฐฐํ•˜๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์•„์„œ
13:14
foreigners that most of my kind of friends and friendship group are non-Maltese.
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๋‚ด ์นœ๊ตฌ ์™€ ์šฐ์ • ๊ทธ๋ฃน์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋ชฐํƒ€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:20
And, so you have this slightly peculiar scenario where kind of not Maltese
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๋ชฐํƒ€ ๋ฌธํ™”๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
13:27
culture, but I will say the culture of people who live in Malta is influenced so
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๋ชฐํƒ€์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”๊ฐ€
13:32
heavily by people from other countries.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:36
So, we have lots of friends from Spain, lots of friends from Latin America,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค, ๋ผํ‹ด ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด์—์„œ ์˜จ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค, ๋…์ผ,
13:39
friends from Germany, from Russia, from the UK; lots of Swedish friends as well.
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๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„, ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šค์›จ๋ด ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๋„ ๋งŽ์•„์š”.
13:44
So, you have this kind of strange cultural melting pot where for lots of
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€
13:50
people actually kind of jumping head on into Maltese society and culture, unless
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ชฐํƒ€์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ชฐํƒ€ ์‚ฌํšŒ์™€ ๋ฌธํ™”์— ์ •๋ฉด์œผ๋กœ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋“œ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ด์ƒํ•œ ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์šฉ๊ด‘๋กœ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:57
you're working in a Maltese-speaking company, can be quite difficult.
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14:01
So, we always sort of existed more in the expat world, I would say, rather
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชฐํƒ€ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ตญ์™ธ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผ์ž ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์กด์žฌํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:06
than in necessarily the Maltese world.
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14:10
You mentioned before we started recording that Malta is also, has another big draw.
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๋…น์Œ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋ชฐํƒ€์—๋„ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
14:15
It's not just a draw for people in the UK to come and find some sun, finally,
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๋งˆ์นจ๋‚ด ์˜๊ตญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์™€์„œ ํƒœ์–‘์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์˜์–ด
14:21
but also a draw in terms of learning English, that there's a big draw for
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ํ•™์Šต ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ๋„ ๋Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋Œ๋ฆผ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:25
people who want to learn English, either having that choice of coming
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14:29
and immersing themselves in life in the UK, in Ireland, or indeed, Malta.
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์˜๊ตญ, ์•„์ผ๋žœ๋“œ, ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด๋Š” ๋ชฐํƒ€์—์„œ์˜ ์ƒํ™œ ์†์—์„œ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:35
So, I'm guessing that was quite useful for you as an English teacher, coming
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
14:42
to a place where there are lots of people gathering to learn English.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋ชจ์ด๋Š” ๊ณณ์— ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜์–ด ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๊ฝค ๋„์›€์ด ๋์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
14:47
It was useful, it really came as a surprise to me.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์œ ์šฉํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ณณ์ด
14:50
I didn't realise before that it was such a popular destination for
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14:54
people coming to learn English.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Ÿฌ ์˜ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ธ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ธ์ง€ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ๋ชฐ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:56
Yes, I mean, there are lots of different categories of people who
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๋„ค, ์ œ ๋ง์€,
15:00
come to Malta to learn English.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ชฐํƒ€์— ์˜ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฒ”์ฃผ์— ์†ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:02
During the summer, there are lots of teenagers from France and Italy and
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์—ฌ๋ฆ„ ๋™์•ˆ์—๋Š” ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค, โ€‹โ€‹์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„, ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ์ถœ์‹ ์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹ญ๋Œ€๋“ค์ด
15:07
Spain who I guess have managed to persuade their parents to not send them
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์ž์‹ ๋“ค์„
15:11
to Dundee or Blackpool or somewhere like that, but have actually said,
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๋˜๋””๋‚˜ ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ’€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋‚ด์ง€ ๋ง๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์„ค๋“ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š”
15:16
"Send me to Malta where I can go to the beach and perhaps attend a few
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"๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชฐํƒ€๋กœ ๋ณด๋‚ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ด๋ณ€์— ๊ฐ€์„œ
15:19
English lessons if my schedule allows."
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…๋„ ๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”."
15:23
There are lots of people from East Asia as well, lots of people from
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๋™์•„์‹œ์•„์—์„œ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ,
15:25
Japan and Korea who come for extended periods, often because their companies
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์ผ๋ณธ๊ณผ ํ•œ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋„ ์žฅ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์˜ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข…์ข… ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€
15:33
are paying for them to come here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์˜ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:34
And it's a lot more affordable than going to London or, or
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์ด๋‚˜
15:37
even Dublin or places like that.
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๋”๋ธ”๋ฆฐ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ์ €๋ ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:40
And recently there's also a lot of people from Latin America.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ตœ๊ทผ์—๋Š” ๋ผํ‹ด ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด์—์„œ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:44
We have a lot of Latin American friends who came in this way.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์˜จ ๋ผํ‹ด ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:49
Because they are able to come and get a kind of student visa and because
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์™€์„œ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ํ•™์ƒ ๋น„์ž๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ
15:54
the Maltese economy is doing quite well at the moment, it's very easy
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๋ชฐํƒ€ ๊ฒฝ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ์ž˜ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
15:58
to kind of transfer that visa into a working visa and essentially have a
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๊ทธ ๋น„์ž๋ฅผ ์ทจ์—… ๋น„์ž๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์‰ฝ๊ณ  ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ
16:04
new kind of working life in the EU.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ง์žฅ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ๋ˆ„๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ๋Ÿฝ โ€‹โ€‹์—ฐํ•ฉ.
16:07
Fantastic.
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ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:08
Did you ever consider like opening up a school or do you provide like
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ํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ๊ฐœ๊ตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด ๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด
16:13
face-to-face workshops over there?
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋Œ€๋ฉด ์›Œํฌ์ˆ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
16:15
I did not really, there are lots and lots of English schools here.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:19
I'm sure lots of them doing a very good job, but I don't do any kind of
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‚˜๋Š”
16:23
face-to-face stuff or anything like that.
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๋Œ€๋ฉด ์ž‘์—…์ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ์™€ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ผ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:26
There have been people who've come to Malta, kind of listened to the
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๋ชฐํƒ€์— ์™€์„œ
16:29
podcast, who've told me about their experience and I'm actually arranging
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ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ์ค€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
16:34
to meet one at the moment, but I don't do any kind of face-to-face
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์ง€๊ธˆ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ์•ฝ์†์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์•„๋ฌด ํ‘œ์ •๋„ ์ง“์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€๋ฉด
16:38
school or anything like that, no.
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ํ•™๊ต๋ผ๋“ ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑด ์—†์–ด์š”. ํ˜„์žฌ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์—์„œ
16:40
How do you find the internet connection where you are?
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฐพ๋‚˜์š” ?
16:42
Because you are virtually a digital nomad.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ๋””์ง€ํ„ธ ์œ ๋ชฉ๋ฏผ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์ƒํƒœ๋ผ๋ฉด
16:47
You're able to work remotely as long as you're online, but how do you find
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์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
16:52
like the internet and the power supply?
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด๋‚˜ ์ „์› ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฐพ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์—์„œ
16:54
Do you ever have to deal with like power cuts or anything like
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์ •์ „์ด๋‚˜
16:57
that or problems with making your podcast where you're living?
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๊ทธ์™€ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ ๋˜๋Š” ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ฒช์€ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ?
17:01
There are power cuts, yeah.
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๋„ค, ์ •์ „์ด ๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:02
It does seem strange for there to be kind of nationwide power cuts.
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์ „๊ตญ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ •์ „์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด์ƒํ•ด ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:05
But there are sometimes power cuts.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€๋” ์ •์ „์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:08
The whole country, power goes out.
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์ „๊ตญ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ •์ „์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:11
I have to say, not so frequently, but that does happen.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ž์ฃผ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:14
The main issue is that there is a sort of ongoing construction boom.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฑด์„ค ๋ถ์ด ๊ณ„์†๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:20
There are practically no laws relating to sounds levels.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ ์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:24
The law is anyone can kind of take a drill and do whatever they want at any
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๋ฒ•์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“ ์ง€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ค‘ ์–ธ์ œ๋ผ๋„ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š”
17:28
time of the day, which is problematic for someone whose career relies on them
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17:33
being able to record good-quality sound.
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์ข‹์€ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์˜ ์‚ฌ์šด๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋…น์Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:37
And actually there was a period after I had a child, where there was construction
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ์€ ํ›„
17:42
happening during the day, a child who was crying like children do, in the mornings
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๋‚ฎ์—๋Š” ๊ณต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ์•„์ด๋Š” ์•„์นจ์ €๋…์œผ๋กœ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์šธ์—ˆ๊ณ 
17:46
and the evenings, and I would have to wait until, you know, 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock in
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, ์ €๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ 1์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ ค์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. '์‹œ๊ณ„,
17:50
the morning to be able to record anything.
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์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ 2์‹œ์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋…น์Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค.
17:52
So, there's probably, I can't remember the episode numbers, but there's
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ ๋ฒˆํ˜ธ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ
17:57
probably, I don't know, between episode number 80 and 120, where people think
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ ๋ฒˆํ˜ธ 80์—์„œ 120 ์‚ฌ์ด์— ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
18:02
that I sound a little bit croaky then, it's because that was being
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์‰ฐ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:06
recorded at 2 o'clock in the morning.
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์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ 2์‹œ.
18:08
I now have an even more complicated situation where the crying child is a
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์šฐ๋Š” ์•„์ด๊ฐ€
18:13
bit older and doesn't cry in the evening, but there's the construction, and I also
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์ข€ ๋” ํฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋…์—๋„ ์šธ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ณต์‚ฌ๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
18:17
live very close to quite a rowdy pub.
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๊ฝค ์‹œ๋Œ๋ฒ…์ ํ•œ ์ˆ ์ง‘ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์—๋„ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:21
So, during the day if there's construction, it's all cancelled.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ฎ์— ๊ณต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๋‹ค ์ทจ์†Œ๋˜๋”๋ผ๊ตฌ์š”.
18:25
In the evening, that's cancelled because there are people drinking
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์ €๋…์—๋Š”
18:29
beer and singing 'Sweet Caroline' and doing all that kind of stuff.
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๋งฅ์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ณ  'Sweet Caroline'์„ ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ง“์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ทจ์†Œ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:33
So, I would have to wait till very late in the evening.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋… ๋Šฆ๊ฒŒ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ ค์•ผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š” .
18:35
Luckily, the construction is not going at this very moment in time, So I'm okay.
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๋‹คํ–‰ํžˆ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ณต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์„œ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:42
It's just so frustrating, isn't it?
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์ •๋ง ์‹ค๋ง์Šค๋Ÿฝ์ฃ ?
18:44
I get so cross.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋‚˜๋น ์š”.
18:46
I've had this for years.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:48
I used to do voiceover work for companies in America.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์„ฑ์šฐ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
18:50
I'd be recording over here and then sending everything over.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋…น์Œํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:54
And at that time when I was doing that, I lived in pretty much in central
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ๋‹น์‹œ ์ €๋Š” ๋Ÿฐ๋˜ ์ค‘์‹ฌ๋ถ€์— ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์‚ด์•˜๊ณ 
18:58
London and I had the same thing.
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๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์„ ๊ฒช์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:00
It was just constant noise.
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๊ทธ์ € ๋Š์ž„์—†๋Š” ์†Œ์Œ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
19:02
And at that point, what I would do was I would literally record in my wardrobe.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ผ์€ ๋ฌธ์ž ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์˜ท์žฅ์— ๋…น์Œ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:07
So, I, you know, completely coat the wardrobe in clothing because
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์˜ท์žฅ์„ ์˜ท์œผ๋กœ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ฝ”ํŒ…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
19:11
obviously the soft surfaces absorb the sound so it doesn't bounce.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์šด ํ‘œ๋ฉด์ด ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•˜์—ฌ ํŠ€์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:16
And so I put clothes down on the base of the wardrobe and made sure
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜ท์žฅ ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ์˜ท์„ ๋‚ด๋ ค๋†“๊ณ 
19:19
everything was hanging around so that there was no hard surfaces.
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๋”ฑ๋”ฑํ•œ ํ‘œ๋ฉด์ด ์—†๋„๋ก ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž˜ ๊ฑธ๋ ค ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ
19:23
And then I'd open the wardrobe doors, but have a huge duvet
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๋‹ค์Œ ์˜ท์žฅ ๋ฌธ์„ ์—ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์œ„์ชฝ๊ณผ ์•„๋ž˜์ชฝ์—๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด๋ถˆ์ด ๋†“์—ฌ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:26
over the top and down the back.
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19:28
So, I was just in this cave of cloth and it was very hot.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด ์ฒœ์˜ ๋™๊ตด์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๋”์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:33
And it was very dark and I'd be in there getting hotter and hotter and there'd
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๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋‘์› ๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ ์  ๋” ๋”์›Œ์ง€๊ณ 
19:37
be less and less oxygen, just trying to escape that, that constant noise that
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์‚ฐ์†Œ๋„ ์ ์  ์ค„์–ด๋“ค๊ณค ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ์ € ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์• ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ
19:42
you don't realise until you're recording something, you don't realise how noisy
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๋…น์Œํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๊นจ๋‹ซ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๋Š์ž„์—†๋Š” ์†Œ์Œ์ด์ฃ .
19:46
a general kind of town or city can be.
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋งˆ์„์ด๋‚˜ ๋„์‹œ๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์‹œ๋„๋Ÿฌ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊นจ๋‹ซ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:50
And then I moved out to the country and I thought,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ณจ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
19:52
"Oh, thank goodness me.
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"์•„, ๋‹คํ–‰์ด๋‹ค.
19:53
I'm just, I'm just going to be able to record whenever I like."
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋…น์Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„."
19:57
But then we have the problem with very noisy birds.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์šฐ ์‹œ๋„๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ƒˆ๋“ค ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ˆ
20:00
Oh no.
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๋ผ.
20:01
I mean, the sound of birds in the background of your recording is
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋…น์Œ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์˜ ์ƒˆ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
20:04
not as bad as a pneumatic drill.
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๊ณต์•• ๋“œ๋ฆด๋งŒํผ ๋‚˜์˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:06
But, again, you know, you think the country is always so peaceful, but
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋˜ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๊ทธ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋Š” ๋Š˜ ํ‰ํ™”๋กญ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ,
20:10
when you think about it, actually, no, it's very noisy even in the country.
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์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ ์‹œ๊ณจ์—์„œ๋„ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์‹œ๋„๋Ÿฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:14
I think your best bet is to completely soundproof a room.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋ฐฉ์„ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฐฉ์Œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:18
As much as it's expensive, it will make such a difference to your working
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๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋“œ๋Š” ๋งŒํผ, ์ง์žฅ ์ƒํ™œ์— ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:21
life, I think to just soundproof the entire space, shut the door
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๊ณต๊ฐ„ ์ „์ฒด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉ์Œ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฌธ์„
20:25
and then all that noise is gone.
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๋‹ซ์œผ๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ์†Œ์Œ์ด ์‚ฌ๋ผ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
20:27
I think that would be my next step if I ever get the chance.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” .
20:31
Yeah, my problem here is that I've got floor to ceiling windows.
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๋„ค, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์ฒœ์žฅ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋‚ด๋ ค์˜ค๋Š” ์ฐฝ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
20:35
Right.
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20:35
Which would be very attractive for anyone else but not attractive for someone who's
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ
์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์™ธ๋ถ€ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐจ๋‹จํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
20:39
trying to block out sound from outside.
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20:42
Yeah, I have it where I record now.
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๋„ค, ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋…น์Œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
20:44
I'm in a glorified shed.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜๊ด‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ฐฝ๊ณ ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:46
So, it's the studio in the bottom of the garden.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ •์› ์•„๋ž˜์ชฝ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์—…์‹ค์ด๊ตฐ์š” .
20:49
But it's a flat roofed, wooden structure with bifold doors.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด์ค‘ ๋ฌธ์ด ๋‹ฌ๋ฆฐ ํ‰ํ‰ํ•œ ์ง€๋ถ•์˜ ๋ชฉ์กฐ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:55
So, it's full glass on one side.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•œ์ชฝ์€ ์ „์ฒด ์œ ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:57
And what I didn't take into account when we were planning to
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ๊ณ„ํšํ•  ๋•Œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์€,
21:00
do this, because we were like,
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21:02
"Do we do a brick building?
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฒฝ๋Œ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊นŒ?
21:03
Do we do a wooden building?
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๋ชฉ์กฐ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊นŒ?
21:05
Well, you know, it'd be cheaper to just do a wooden building."
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์ €๋ ดํ•  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชฉ์กฐ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์ด์š”."
21:08
I forgot about sound and rain.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๋น„๋ฅผ ์žŠ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
21:12
And so whenever it rains, it hits the flat roof and it comes against
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋น„๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ํ‰ํ‰ํ•œ ์ง€๋ถ•์— ๋ถ€๋”ชํžˆ๊ณ 
21:14
the windows and it's just this noise, this cacophony of noise.
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์ฐฝ๋ฌธ์— ๋ถ€๋”ชํ˜€์„œ ์ด ์†Œ์Œ์ด ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œ์Œ์˜ ๋ถˆํ˜‘ํ™”์Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:19
And I can't record anything.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋…น์Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด์š”. ์•„์ฃผ ์ž‘์€ ์†Œ๋‚˜๊ธฐ
21:20
Even the slightest little shower, I have to stop recording
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๋ผ๋„
21:24
because it's so noisy in here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‹œ๋„๋Ÿฌ์›Œ์„œ ๋…น์Œ์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถฐ์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
21:26
My purpose built studio is not fit for purpose.
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๋‚ด ๋ชฉ์ ์— ๋งž๊ฒŒ ์ง€์–ด์ง„ ์ŠคํŠœ๋””์˜ค๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉ์ ์— ๋งž์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:30
That is frustrating.
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์ •๋ง ์‹ค๋ง์Šค๋Ÿฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:33
Yeah, so you've obviously made the move.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์›€์ง์˜€๊ตฐ์š”.
21:36
You've been there for seven years and now you're about to embark on another move.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ 7๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์›€์ง์ž„์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:43
You're about to pick up and go and put a stake in another country.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ”ฝ์—…ํ•ด์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ์ง€๋ถ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:47
So, where are you going?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์–ด๋””๋กœ ๊ฐ€์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
21:50
I'm actually moving to Sweden, to Gothenburg in Sweden.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ์Šค์›จ๋ด, ์Šค์›จ๋ด ์˜ˆํ…Œ๋ณด๋ฆฌ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด์—์š”.
21:55
Wow, that's going to be very different.
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์™€, ์ •๋ง ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
21:58
In a few months from today.
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์˜ค๋Š˜๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ๋’ค.
21:59
That's going to be a very different experience to Malta.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชฐํƒ€์™€๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:02
I'm guessing that they don't have English as an official language over there.
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๊ทธ์ชฝ์—” ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์‹์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
22:07
No, they don't.
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22:07
They do have Finnish I just found that out, but I'm
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ•€๋ž€๋“œ์–ด๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ƒˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
22:11
learning Swedish at the moment.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์Šค์›จ๋ด์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
22:14
Okay.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
22:15
With some great Swedish podcasts and I found some good Swedish
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์Šค์›จ๋ด์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ข‹์€ ์Šค์›จ๋ด์–ด ์ž๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•˜์ง€๋งŒ
22:18
resources, but it's a new experience for me kind of starting to learn
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22:23
a language again from scratch.
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:24
Yeah.
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์‘.
22:25
From, you know, absolute zero, but I've really enjoyed it so far.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ 0๋„ ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง
22:30
It's been a lot of fun.
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์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:31
I'm also doing it with my wife and trying to get my oldest son to kind of watch
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ์•„๋‚ด์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ํฐ ์•„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
22:37
some cartoons in Swedish and get him to kind of enjoy the learning process.
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์Šค์›จ๋ด์–ด๋กœ ๋œ ๋งŒํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ํ•™์Šต ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:43
If anyone has any tips on how to do that, then I am very, very open to them, but
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ด์ง€๋งŒ
22:48
I will be doing that in a few months.
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๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ์•ˆ์— ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:50
So, I've possibly got the opportunity to move abroad this year, and when
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์˜ฌํ•ด ํ•ด์™ธ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒผ์„ ํ…๋ฐ,
22:59
I think about moving abroad, I feel like I'm a little bit of a tortoise.
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ํ•ด์™ธ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•  ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ข€ ๊ฑฐ๋ถ์ด ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:02
I initially think it's a good idea, but then I slowly kind of back away from it
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์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
23:06
when I think about all the difficulties that I may encounter โ€” the unknowns.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง๋ฉดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์–ด๋ ค์›€, ์ฆ‰ ๋ฏธ์ง€์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ์ฒœ์ฒœํžˆ ๊ทธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—์„œ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:12
So, if anyone listening is considering making a move to a different country
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ
23:17
and completely different culture.
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, ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์ˆ˜์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ๋” ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
23:20
What would you advise or what kind of tips would you give them in order to
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์กฐ์–ธํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํŒ์„ ์ฃผ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
23:26
embrace and make that experience easier?
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?
23:31
Well, I think if someone is considering doing it in almost
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์˜
23:35
every case โ€” just do it!
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”!
23:36
I've done this quite a few times, less permanently.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฝค ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ํ•ด์™”๊ณ  ์˜๊ตฌ์ ์ด์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:40
So, I lived in different places as part of my university.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ•™ ์ƒํ™œ์˜ ์ผํ™˜์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์‚ด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
23:44
I lived in China for quite a while and every time I've done these sort of,
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์ €๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ ๊ฝค ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ด์•˜๊ณ  ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜
23:50
you know, mini adventures or larger adventures, I've never regretted doing it.
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์ž‘์€ ๋ชจํ—˜์ด๋‚˜ ๋” ํฐ ๋ชจํ—˜์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ํ›„ํšŒํ•œ ์ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:55
I'm 36.
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์ €๋Š” 36์„ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:57
So, it's not particularly old, but I think of kind of my life so far in, you
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ์ œ ์‚ถ์„ ๋Œ€๋žต
24:03
know, six to seven-year-like adventures.
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6~7๋…„ ์ •๋„์˜ ๋ชจํ—˜์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:06
And they've all involved being in different places and kind of starting
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์žฅ์†Œ์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ƒˆ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
24:11
afresh, which probably seems daunting for lots of people, and I think it
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋ ต๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์•ˆ์ •์„ฑ์„ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ฐฝ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”
24:17
takes a certain type of person who embraces that rather than someone who
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ํŠน์ • ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:21
prefers stability and kind of creating a little nest in a particular place.
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ํŠน์ • ์žฅ์†Œ์— ๋‘ฅ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ‹€์–ด์š”.
24:28
I'm definitely in the category of people who like this kind of stuff,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ผ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ ,
24:32
who like kind of starting afresh and going on these new adventures.
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์ƒˆ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์‹œ์ž‘ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ชจํ—˜์„ ๋– ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๋ฒ”์ฃผ์— ์†ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:37
So, in terms of my advice, after the advice being just do it.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ์กฐ์–ธ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด, ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ•œ ํ›„์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
24:41
I heard a really good expression, this must be going back 15 years, to someone
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ 15๋…„ ์ „์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ์Šฌ๋Ÿฌ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:47
who had been living in China for quite a while and I think I was having a bad day
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์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๊ฝค ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ด์•˜๋˜ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์œ ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
24:52
or something where everything goes wrong and she referred to it as a bad China day.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž˜๋ชป๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ค‘๊ตญ์˜ ๋‚ .
24:58
Where just like everything combines to kind of put you in a bad mood,
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฒฐํ•ฉ๋˜์–ด ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋‚˜๋น ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ,
25:03
whether it's like the bus goes wrong or whatever it might be, the
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๋ฒ„์Šค๊ฐ€ ์ž˜๋ชป๋˜๋“  ๋ญ๋“  ๊ฐ„์—,
25:06
peculiarities of where you are, all unite to kind of fight against you.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์˜ ํŠน์„ฑ์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์—ฐํ•ฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋‹น์‹ ์— ๋งž์„œ ์‹ธ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:12
And I have this joke with my wife that we have bad Malta days, and I'm sure we'll
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋‚ด์™€ ๋†๋‹ด์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชฐํƒ€์˜ ๋‚˜๋‚ ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ 
25:16
have bad Sweden days and so on, but as long as you're kind of thinking of it
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์Šค์›จ๋ด์˜ ๋‚˜๋‚ ๋„ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ชจํ—˜์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ,
25:22
as an adventure, something that you're kind of going on and you're thinking,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๊ณ„์†๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋‹น์‹ ์€
25:26
"If I wasn't doing this, I'd be kind of continuing my life as it was before."
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"๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ „์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‚ด ์‚ถ์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ํ…๋ฐ"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
25:30
I think that has certainly helped me get over those periods where, you know,
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25:34
you're not necessarily so happy or things aren't going quite so well for you.
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๊ผญ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ผ์ด ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ž˜ ํ’€๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:38
Of course, there are the sort of, I guess they're like table stakes
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์กฐ์–ธ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
25:42
type bits of advice, like, you know, learn a language and make sure
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ 
25:45
that you've got all your adequate insurance and all that kind of thing.
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์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๋ณดํ—˜์— ๊ฐ€์ž…ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๋“ฑ์˜ ์กฐ์–ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:48
But in terms of preparing myself mentally for these things, I think just not going
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ผ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ •์‹ ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด
25:54
into it thinking it's all going to be completely marvellous, but understanding
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฉ‹์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
25:58
that some days will be rubbish, but it's all part of the adventure and especially
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์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์“ฐ๋ ˆ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ชจํ—˜์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ด๋ฉฐ ํŠนํžˆ
26:01
I think if you're doing it with kids I think trying to kind of get them involved
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ' ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด
26:07
in the adventure side of things as much as possible I think that's a positive, yeah.
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๋ชจํ—˜์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์— ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
26:12
I say this not having moved to Sweden yet, so we'll see, we'll see how that goes.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„์ง ์Šค์›จ๋ด์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:17
I always say to my son, who is a little bit averse to trying new foods,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์Œ์‹์„ ๋จน๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ์•„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:22
he's got quite a limited diet really, what he will accept as safe food.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ œํ•œ๋œ ์‹๋‹จ์„ ๋จน๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ ์Œ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:28
I always say to him,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:29
"Look, if you don't try it, you never know.
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"๋ณด์„ธ์š”, ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋งค์ผ
26:32
You'll just end up eating the same thing every single day and you might try
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๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋จน๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ ,
26:36
this new vegetable and really like it.
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์ด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์•ผ์ฑ„๋ฅผ ๋จน์–ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:39
Just like ice cream.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ์•„์ด์Šคํฌ๋ฆผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ์š”. .
26:40
Can you imagine if you'd never tried ice cream?"
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์•„์ด์Šคํฌ๋ฆผ์„ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ๋จน์–ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ƒ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?"
26:42
And he'll go,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š”
26:43
"But I like ice cream."
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26:43
I'm like,
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"ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„์ด์Šคํฌ๋ฆผ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ €๋Š”
26:44
"Exactly.
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"๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:45
Can you imagine if you looked at ice cream and said, that looks
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์•„์ด์Šคํฌ๋ฆผ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
26:47
yucky and decided not to try it?"
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์ด์ƒํ•ด ๋ณด์—ฌ์„œ ๋จน์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ƒ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:50
So, I think that's good advice.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:51
There are always options.
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜ต์…˜์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:52
You can always go back.
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์–ธ์ œ๋“ ์ง€ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:54
You can always return to the way life was before, but unless you try, you
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์–ธ์ œ๋“ ์ง€ ์˜ˆ์ „์˜ ์‚ถ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ , ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ด์ƒ
27:00
never know what amazing adventures or fantastic people that you'll
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์–ด๋–ค ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๋ชจํ—˜ ์ด๋‚˜ ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„
27:05
meet and that you'll experience.
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๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ณ  ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:07
So, yeah, just get out there and do it!
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ํ•ด๋ด!
27:09
Don't be a tortoise.
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๊ฑฐ๋ถ์ด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
27:11
Don't hide your head.
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27:11
It's always fun.
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๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ˆจ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
ํ•ญ์ƒ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
27:12
It's always fun.
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
27:13
Yeah.
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์‘.
27:14
Yeah, fantastic.
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์‘, ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ด์•ผ.
27:15
Well, I do hope that your move goes smoothly and that you integrate into
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์›€์ง์ž„์ด ์ˆœ์กฐ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
27:19
society quite easily and that the language learning progresses and you
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์•„์ฃผ ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌํšŒ์— ํ†ตํ•ฉ๋˜๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ด ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
27:25
feel confident and comfortable quite quickly, but all the best of luck with it.
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์•„์ฃผ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ํ–‰์šด์„ ๋น•๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:28
And thank you so much for sharing all your experiences and knowledge with us.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ์ง€์‹์„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:33
For my listeners, where can they find you?
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์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋””์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
27:38
Well, everything I do is on my website, which is leonardoenglish.com.
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์Œ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์€ ์ œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์ธ leonardoenglish.com์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:44
Leonardo like Leonardo da Vinci.
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๋ ˆ์˜ค๋‚˜๋ฅด๋„ ๋‹ค๋นˆ์น˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ ˆ์˜ค๋‚˜๋ฅด๋„.
27:47
And if you're a podcast listener, you might like to listen to the
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๋ผ๋ฉด
27:51
podcast we make, which is called English Learning for Curious Minds.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์ธ ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ œ๋ชฉ์˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:54
And if you want to hear Anna in a podcast that we've made, it's
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“  ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ Anna์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
27:58
called Pioneers of the Continuum.
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Pioneers of the Continuum์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ œ๋ชฉ์˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
28:01
So, there we go.
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์ž, ์ด์ œ ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:02
Yeah.
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์‘.
28:03
And we just recently recorded another conversation, didn't we, for your podcast
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋…น์Œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ œ๊ฐ€
28:08
where I am revealing some, some of my insights into being a podcaster and a
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ํŒŸ์บ์Šคํ„ฐ,
28:16
YouTuber and general content creator.
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์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„, ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ์ œ์ž‘์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ €์˜ ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:18
So, I will put links to everything that you've mentioned
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋ž˜ ์‡ผ ๋…ธํŠธ์— ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„ฃ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:21
down below in the show notes.
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28:24
Thanks again for joining us, Alastair, and very best of luck with everything.
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Alastair์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ, ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์— ํ–‰์šด์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:28
Thanks so much, Anna.
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์ •๋ง ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”, ์•ˆ๋‚˜.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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