Michael Moschen: Juggling rhythm and motion

譯者: Yen-chung Nora Huang 審譯者: Nova Upinel Altesse

I started juggling a long time ago,

從開始做雜技表演到現在已經有很長一段時間了

but long before that, I was a golfer, and that's what I was, a golfer.

但早在那之前，我原本是個高爾夫球員

And as a golfer and as a kid,

當我是個高爾夫球員、也是個孩子時

one of the things that really sort of seeped into my pores,

讓我著迷的事物中，有一樣佔了我生活中非常重要的地位

that I sort of lived my whole life, is process.

那就是--- 過程

And it's the process of learning things.

我指的是學習的過程

One of the great things was that my father was an avid golfer, but he was lefty.

很棒的是我父親是一位很有熱情的高爾夫球員，但他是左撇子

And he had a real passion for golf,

他真的很熱愛高爾夫

and he also created this whole mythology

也創造了這整個關於

about Ben Hogan and various things.

班·霍根（Ben Hogan）的神話

Well, I learned a lot about interesting things

我從有趣的事情中學到很多

that I knew nothing about at the time, but grew to know stuff about.

雖然我在當下可能不自覺，但漸漸地體會箇中奧妙

And that was the mythology of skill.

而這就是技藝創造的神話

So, one of the things that I love to do is to explore skill.

探究技藝是我熱愛的事情之一

And since Richard put me on this whole thing with music --

而且既然理查（Richard）把我放在這個跟音樂相關的舞台上

I'm supposed to actually be doing a project with Tod Machover

我就得真的和托德·麥克歐佛（Tod Machover）、

with the MIT Media Lab -- it relates a lot to music.

和麻省理工學院的媒介實驗室做一個和音樂相關的計畫

But Tod couldn't come and the project is sort of somewhere,

但是托德沒辦法來，整個計畫也有一點...

I'm not sure whether it's happening the way we thought, or not.

不是很確定事情是不是照我們想像的方向走

But I'm going to explore skill, and juggling,

但我還是要探索這項技藝，做雜技表演

and basically visual music, I guess.

我想基本上就都是「視覺音樂」

OK, you can start the music, thanks.

音樂可以開始了，謝謝

(Music)

（音樂）

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Thanks. Thank you. Now, juggling can be a lot of fun;

謝謝、謝謝大家。雜技可以很有趣

play with skill and play with space, play with rhythm.

可以跟技術、空間、節奏一起玩

And you can turn the mike on now. I'm going to do a couple of pieces.

可以開麥克風了。我現在要秀兩段

I do a big piece in a triangle

一段比較長的是在一個三角形裡做

and these are three sections from it.

其中包括三小節

Part of the challenge was to try to understand rhythm and space

一部分的挑戰是必須要試著瞭解整個節奏和空間

using not just my hands -- because a lot of juggling is hand-oriented --

用的不只是我的雙手--- 因為很多雜技是以手作為基底的

but using the rhythm of my body and feet,

但我還會融合身體和雙腳的律動

and controlling the balls with my feet.

並用腳控制這些球

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Thanks. Now, this next section was an attempt to explore space.

謝謝。

You see, I think Richard said something about people that are against something.

我記得理查說過有關人類喜歡挑戰

Well, a lot of people think jugglers defy gravity or do stuff.

很多人覺得雜技表演者喜歡做一些挑戰地心引力的事情

Well, I kind of, from my childhood and golf and all that,

我的話，則是從童年時和打高爾夫那時就開始了

it's a process of joining with forces.

這是與力結合的過程

And so what I'd like to do is try to figure out

所以我想做的是試著藉由我的技術

how to join with the space through the technique.

找出融入「空間」的方法

So juggling gravity -- up, down.

把地心引力拿來雜耍--- 上、下

If you figure out what up and down really are,

如果你真的明白了什麼是「上」、什麼是「下」

it's a complex physical set of skills

你會知道它是一套錯綜複雜的物理技能

to be able to throw a ball down and up and everything,

才有辦法把球拋上丟下

but then you add in sideways.

然後還可以橫著來

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Now, I look at it somewhat as a way -- when you learn juggling

現在，我是這樣的角度看它的--你在學雜技的時候

what you learn is how to feel with your eyes, and see with your hands

你是學著用眼睛去感覺它，然後用手去看它

because you're not looking at your hands,

因為你不是看著你的手

you're looking at where the balls are or you're looking at the audience.

你是看著球、或是觀眾的

So this next part is really a way of understanding space and rhythm,

下一步就是真的要瞭解空間和律動了

with the obvious reference to the feet,

這和腳也脫不了關係

but it's also time -- where the feet were, where the balls were.

還有時間點、腳在哪兒、球在哪兒

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Thanks. So, visual music: rhythm and complexity.

謝謝。這包括了視覺音樂、律動以及複雜度

I'm going to build towards complexity now.

我現在就要提高複雜度了

Juggling three balls is simple and normal.

拋三個球是很簡單、很正常的

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Excuse me.

抱歉

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

We're jugglers, OK. And remember, you're transposing,

我們是雜技表演者。好，記得，你是在調換它的位置

you're getting into a subculture here.

現在進入的是一個次文化

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

And juggling -- the balls cross and all that.

然後把球拋過去

OK, if you keep them in their assigned paths you get parallel lines

OK，如果你把它們保持在固定的路線，你會得到平行線

of different heights, but then hopefully even rhythm.

不同的高度，但希望是同樣的節奏

And you can change the rhythm -- good, Michael.

然後你可以改變節奏--- 很好

You can change the rhythm, if you get out of the lights.

不在光線裡時，你可以變換節奏

OK? Change the rhythm, so it's even.

OK? 改變節奏讓它平均

Or you can go back and change the height. Now, skill.

你也可以回到原狀然後改變高度。現在，技巧

But you're boxed in, if you can only do it up and down that way.

如果你只會這樣做上下的話，你會被侷限住

So, you've got to go after the space down there.

你得把空間放大到這兒來

OK, then you've got to combine them,

然後你要把它們結合在一起

because then you have the whole spatial palette in front of you.

整個空間就像是調色盤一樣在你面前

And then you get crazy.

然後瘋了

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Now, I'm actually going to ask you to try something,

現在，我真的要請你們做件事了

so you've got to pay attention. Complexity:

你要很專心喔。複雜度，

if you spend enough time doing something, time slows down

如果你花夠長的時間做一件事，時間會變慢

or your skill increases, so your perceptions change.

或是你的技能會提昇，你的感官能力也起了變化

It's learning skills -- like being in a high-speed car crash.

學習技能像是經歷一場高速車禍

Things slow down as you learn, as you learn, as you learn.

事情會在你學習的過程中變慢，你學著、學著...

You may not be able to affect it, it almost drifts on you. It goes.

或許你沒辦法影響它，你是隨著它漂流、前進的

But that's the closest approximation I can have to it.

但這是我能做的最貼切的形容了

So, complexity. Now, how many here are jugglers?

回到複雜度。在座有多少人是會做雜技表演呀？

OK, so most of you are going to have a similar reaction to this.

那大部分的人等一下將會有差不多的反應

OK? And whoever laughed there --

OK? 不管在那邊笑的是哪位

you understood it completely, right?

你都完全瞭解了，對吧？

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

No, it looks like a mess. It looks like a mess with a guy there,

這看起來亂七八糟。那位仁兄看起來好像遇到麻煩了

who's got his hands around that mess, OK.

兩手搞的一團亂的那一位

Well, that's what juggling is about, right?

反正這就是雜耍的真諦嘛，對吧？

It's being able to do something that other people can't do or can't understand.

就是做一些別人做不到、或搞不懂的事嘛

All right. So, that's one way of doing it, which is five balls down.

好，這是其中一種方式，五顆球朝下

OK? Another way is the outside.

另一種方式是朝外的

And you could play with the rhythm.

你可以跟著節奏玩

Same pattern.

同樣的手法

Make it faster and smaller.

只是要加速、縮小範圍

Make it wider.

拉大範圍

Make it narrower.

或是窄一點

Bring it back up.

帶回上頭來

OK. It's done. Thanks.

好，結束，謝謝！

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Now, what I wanted to get to is that you're all very bright, very tactile.

現在，你們看起來都很聰明、靈敏

I have no idea how computer-oriented or three-dimensionally-oriented you are,

我雖然不知道對電腦、對三度空間有多在行

but let's try something.

但我們來試試看這個

OK, so since you all don't understand what the five-ball pattern is,

好，因為你們都不清楚剛剛那五顆球的路徑模式

I'm going to give you a little clue.

我現在要給你一點線索

Enough of a clue? So, you get the pattern, right? OK.

線索夠了吧？你抓住路線了，對吧？

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

You're not getting off that easy. All right?

沒那麼容易，好嗎？

Now, do me a favor: follow the ball that I ask you to follow.

現在，幫我個忙。看著我要你們看的那顆球

Green.

綠色

Yellow.

黃色

Pink.

粉紅色

White.

白色

OK, you can do that? Yeah? OK.

都做到了嗎？好

Now, let's actually learn something.

我們現在真的來學點東西

Actually, let me put you in that area of learning, which is very insecure.

讓我把你們放到「學習」的框框裡，讓人有不安的感覺吧

You want to do it? Yeah? OK.

想要試試看嗎？好

Hands out in front of you. Palms up, together.

伸出雙手、手掌向上、併攏

What you're going to learn is this.

你現在要學的是這個

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

OK? So what I want you to do is just listen to me and do it.

OK嗎？現在你要聽我說，然後跟著做

Index finger, middle finger, ring, little.

食指、中指、無名指、小指

Little, ring, middle, index. And then open.

小指、無名指、中指、食指。然後打開

Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.

手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指

A little bit faster.

加快速度

Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.

手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指

Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.

手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

All right. A lot of different learning processes going on in here.

好，現場就有很多不同的學習過程

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

One learning process that I see is this --

我看到的其中一種是這樣的

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

OK. Another learning process that I see is this --

還看到一種是這樣的

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

OK. So, everybody take a deep breath in, breath out. OK.

好，大家深呼吸一口、吐氣。OK

Now, one more time, and --

現在，再一次，預備---

finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Open.

手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、打開

Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. OK.

手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、好！

Shake your hands out.

甩甩手

Now, I assume a lot of you spend a lot of time at a computer.

我想很多人都花很多時間在電腦上吧？

OK? So, what you're doing is, you're going la, la, la,

OK? 你都是這樣做-- 啦啦啦

and you're getting this. OK?

然後變成這樣，OK?

So that's exactly what I'm going to ask you to do,

這正是我要叫你做的

but in a slightly different way. You're going to combine it.

但有一點點不同。你要融合兩者

So what I want you to do is -- fingers.

我要你動的是手指

I'll tell you what to do with your fingers, same thing.

我會跟你說你的手指頭要做什麼，跟剛才一樣

But I want you to do is also, with your eyes,

但我還要你用眼睛一起

is follow the colored ball that I ask you to follow.

跟著我叫你看的顏色的球

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

OK? Here we go.

OK? 來吧

So, we're going to start off looking at the white ball --

我們先從白色球開始

and I'm going to tell you which color,

然後我會告訴你別的顏色

and I'm also going to tell you to go with your fingers. OK?

然後還要你的手指一起配合，OK嗎？

So white ball and --

白球和---

finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Pink.

手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、粉紅色

Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Green.

手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、綠色

Finger, finger, finger, finger. Yellow.

手指、手指、手指、手指、黃色

Finger, finger, finger, pink or finger.

手指、手指、手指、手指、粉紅色、或是手指

Pink, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.

粉紅色、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指

All right.

好

(Applause)

（掌聲）

How did you do? Well? OK. The reason I wanted you to do this is

做的如何呀？不錯嗎？我要你們這麼做的原因是

because that's actually what most people face throughout their lives,

因為這是大部分人一生中一直在面對的

a moment of learning, a moment of challenge.

學習的片刻、挑戰的片刻

It's a moment that you can't make sense of.

是個讓你沒有頭緒的瞬間

Why the hell should I learn this? OK?

我沒事幹嘛要學這個啊？

Does it really have anything to do with anything in my life?

這真的跟我的人生有關嗎？

You know, I can't decipher -- is it fun? Is it challenging? Am I supposed to cheat?

我也沒辦法解答--- 那好玩嗎？有挑戰性嗎？可以作弊嗎？

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

You know, what are you supposed to do?

你能怎麼辦呢？

You've got somebody up here who is the operative principle

台上這個人做這套原理

of doing that for his whole life. OK?

做了一輩子了，好嗎？

Trying to figure that stuff out. But is it going to get you anywhere?

想要搞懂它，但是它會幫你搞懂什麼嗎？

It's just a moment. That's all it is, a moment. OK?

那只是個瞬間。就這樣，OK?

I'm going to change the script for one second. Just let me do this.

我要改一下腳本。讓我做一下這個

I don't need music for it. Talking about time in a moment.

這裡不用音樂。待會兒就會談到"時間"

There's a piece that I recently developed which was all about that,

這一段是我最近發展出跟那相關的---

a moment. And what I do as a creative artist

"一瞬間"。這也是身為創意藝術者所做的，

is I develop vocabularies or languages of moving objects.

要為這些移動物體找出適合他們的言語、詞彙

What I've done for you here, I developed a lot of those tricks

這邊我把幾個手法做了些變化

and I put the choreography together,

然後編了舞蹈的成分進去

but they're not original techniques.

但這些其實不是原創的技法

Now, I'm going to start showing you some original techniques

現在我要開始表演一些原創的了

that come from the work that I've developed. OK?

是從我發展的進階變化而來的。好了嗎？

So, a moment, how would you define a moment?

"一瞬間"，你會如何定義一瞬間？

Well, as a juggler, what I wanted to do was create something

身為雜技表演者，我想做的是創造出一項

that was representational of a moment.

能代表一瞬間的東西

Ahhh.

啊～

All right, I'm going to get on my knees and do it.

好，我現在要跪著，然後開始了

So, a moment.

瞬間

(Rattling)

（沙沙響）

OK? And then, what I did as a juggler was say,

OK嗎？而我所要呈現的是

OK, what can I do to make that something

如何讓一個依附在另一個物體的東西

that is dependent on something else, another dynamic.

也成為另一個動態的物體

(Rattling)

（沙沙響）

So, a moment.

好，一瞬間

(Rattling)

（沙沙響）

Another moment.

另一瞬間

(Rattling)

（沙沙響）

Excuse me, still getting there. A moment that travels.

抱歉，就快好了。行進的一瞬間

(Rattling)

（沙沙響）

A moment -- no, we'll try that again. It separates, and comes back together.

一瞬間 --- 不，要再試一次。分開，然後合在一起

Time. How can you look at time?

時間。你要怎麼看的到時間？

And what do you dedicate it to, in exploring a particular thing?

你又要怎麼把它用於探索一個特定的東西？

Well, obviously, there's something in here,

很明顯的，這裡面有東西

and you can all have a guess as to what it is.

你可以猜猜看是什麼

There's a mystery. There's a mystery in the moment.

那一瞬間裡有個秘密

And it has to settle. And then it's dependent on something else.

它得定下來。它是靠著另一樣東西的

And then it comes to rest. Just a little thing about time.

呼！然後靜止下來。這只是一點關於時間的東西

Now, this has expanded into a much bigger piece,

接下來這一段的規模擴大很多

because I use ramps of different parabolas that I roll the balls on

因為我利用多個拋物線的斜面當做球的落點

while I'm keeping time with this.

同時要注意時間點

But I just thought I'd talk about a moment.

我想說我要聊一下一瞬間

(Applause)

（掌聲）

All right. OK. Can we show the video of the triangle?

好，OK，我們可以放一段關於三角型的影片嗎？

Are we ready to do that? Yes?

準備好可以放了嗎？可以嗎？

This is the piece that I told you about.

這一段是我之前提到的

It's a much bigger piece that I do exploring the space of a geometric triangle.

是探索幾何三角形時發展出來、規模大很多的一段表演。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Thanks. The only thing I'll say about the last session is,

謝謝。關於最後一段，我要說的是，

you ever try juggling and driving the car with your knees

你有沒有試過玩雜技的同時邊用膝蓋開車

at 120 miles an hour?

飆到時速120英哩？

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

The only other thing is, it was a real shock.

令我最震驚的還有一件事

I always drove motorcycles. And when I bought my first car, it shocked me

我以前都騎摩托車。當我買第一輛車的時候，我嚇傻了

that it cost three times more than my parents' house. Interesting.

因為它比我爸媽的房子還要貴三倍...真好笑。

Anyway, balance:

好，平衡---

constant movement to find an approach to stillness.

就是在平穩持續的移動中達到靜止

Cheating.

作弊！

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Balance: making up the rules so you can't cheat,

平衡-- 制定一些規則讓你不能作弊

so you learn to approach stillness with different parts of your body.

你才能學會怎麼用身體的不同部位達到靜止

To have a conversation with it. To speak. To listen.

跟它對話。說話、聆聽

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Hup. Now, it's dependent on rhythm,

現在，要跟著節奏

and keeping a center of balance. When it falls, going underneath.

在它落下時維持一個平衡的中心點，然後在下面接

So, there's a rhythm to it.

它有個節奏

The rhythm can get much smaller.

節奏可以變得小很多

As your skill increases, you learn to find those tinier spaces,

隨著你技術的精進，自然會找到那更小的空間、

those tinier movements. Thanks.

更小的移動。謝謝！

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Now, I'm going to show you the beginnings of a piece

我現在要呈現一段作品的開頭

that is about balance in some ways, and also --

某方面而言它是跟平衡有關的，而且..

oh, actually, if you're bored, not here, here's one use for it.

喔，你無聊的時候，但不是現在，這還蠻有用的

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

You can go with the "Sticks One" music.

你可以用棍子、跟著音樂

(Music)

（音樂）

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Thanks. That has a certain kind of balance to it, which is all about plumb.

謝謝。剛剛那段涵蓋著垂直原理的平衡

I apprenticed with a carpenter and learned about plumb, square and level.

是我當一位木匠的學徒時學的，學垂直、正方、水平

And they influenced that, and this next piece, which I'll do a little segment of.

那影響了剛剛那一段和接下來這一段表演，我等一下會把它做切割

"Two Sticks," you can go with it. Thanks.

兩根棍子。可以下音樂，謝謝。

Which is again exploring space, or the lines in space.

同樣是探索空間、或是空間裡的線條的概念

(Music)

（音樂）

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Working with space and the lines in space in a different way.

用不同的方式在空間、空間中的線條運作

Oh, let's see here.

喔，來看看這個

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So, I'll come back to that in a second. But working with one ball,

等一下會回到這裡。先來一個球的表演

now, what if you attach something to it, or change it.

如果你加點東西進去，或是做點變化

This is a little thing that I made

這是我做的小變化

because I really like the idea of curves and balls together.

因為我真的很喜歡曲線和球一起運作的感覺

And then creating space and the rhythm of space,

接著要創造一個空間和空間的節奏

using the surface of the balls, the surface of the arms.

利用球的表面、手臂的表面

Just a little toy. Which leads me to the next thing,

只是個小玩具，但帶出下一樣東西

which is --

那就是--

what have I got here? OK. All right.

我這兒有什麼？OK，好

I'm actually leading up to something,

我其實是要帶出一個東西的

the newest thing that I'm working on. This is not it.

我最新研發的東西。不是這個。

This is exploring geometry and the rhythm of shape.

這是探索幾何學和形狀的律動

(Applause)

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Now, what I just did was I worked with the mathematics --

我剛做的是跟數學的結合

the diameter and the circumference.

直徑和圓周的概念

Sometimes these pieces are mathematical, in that way

這些表演是因為這樣而和數學有關的

that I look at a shape and say, what about if I use this and this and this.

我會看著一個形狀然後說：如果我試試用這個、這個、和這個呢？

Sometimes what happens in life affects my choice

有時候周遭發生的事情

of objects that I try to work with.

會影響我選擇表演物體的決定

The next piece that I'm going to do -- which is the cylinders piece,

接下來我要做的是一個滾筒的表演

if you want to get that up --

如果你想知道的話

it has to do with cylinder seals from about 5,000 years ago,

它是跟5,000年前的滾筒印章有關

which were stones with designs that were used to roll over wet clay

滾筒印章是帶有雕刻設計的石頭、用來在濕泥土上滾動的

with all sorts of great designs. I love ceramics and all of that.

有各式各樣的設計。我好愛那些和製陶相關的東西

It's a combination of that, the beauty of that, the shape,

那是一個結合體，裡面包含的美、它的形狀、

and the stories that were involved in it,

和它們所述說的故事

as well as the fact that they protected the contents.

當然它們還可以保護筒裡的東西

The second influence on this piece came from recycling

另一個影響這段表演的靈感來自於資源回收

and looking into a tin can recycling bin

注視著資源回收桶裡的空罐時

and seeing all that beautiful emptiness.

凝視著那空洞的美感

So, if you want to go with the music for cylinders.

好，現在請跟著滾筒的音樂

(Music)

（音樂）

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Talking about geometry and everything,

談到幾何學和相關的東西時

if you take the circle and you split it in half --

若你把圓分成兩半

can you run "S-Curve music?"

可以放S曲線的音樂嗎？

I'm going to do just a short version of it.

我現在只是要做一小段

Circles split in half and rotated, and mythology.

圓圈分成兩半、接著轉動、跟著神話

(Music)

（音樂）

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Anyway, that piece also has a kinetic sculpture in the middle of it,

這裡頭還包含了個活動雕塑品

and I dance around a small stage so --

我在小小的舞台上跳著舞

two minutes, just to end? The latest piece that I'm working on --

兩分鐘讓我做個結尾？最新的一段表演---

what I love is that I never know what I'm working on, why I'm working on it.

我最愛的是我從不知道我在研發些什麼？為什麼要做這個？

They're not ideas, they're instincts.

它們不是一些想法，而是直覺

And the latest thing that I'm working on --

我在研發的最新一段

(Clattering) --

（鏗鏘聲）

is something really -- I don't know what it is yet.

是一個真的---我還不知道是什麼的東西

And that's good. I like not to know for as long as possible.

但這很好～能多久不知道算多久

Well, because then it tells me the truth,

我希望它自然告訴我它是什麼

instead of me imposing the truth.

而不是我強加在它身上使它發生的結果

And what it is, is working with both positive and negative space

這不只是利用正負空間

but also with these curves.

也結合了這些曲線

And what it involves,

它包含了---

and I don't know if my hands are too beaten up to do it or not,

我不知道我是不是有點手殘、沒辦法做這段

but I'll do a little bit of it.

我還是試著做做看

It initially started off with me stacking these things,

一開始是把這些東西做堆疊

bunches of them, and then playing with the sense of space,

有一大堆要做，接著開始融入空間感

of filling in the space. And then it started changing,

充斥著整個空間的感覺。然後開始變化

and become folding on themselves.

變成彼此交疊

And then changing levels.

再來是層次的變換

Because my attempt is to make visual instruments,

因為我想要試的是做出視覺樂器

not to just make -- I'll try one other thing.

而不只是...我再試試看別的

For work in three dimensions, with your perceptions of space and time.

用你對空間和時間的感知做一個3D的表演

Now, I don't know exactly where it's going,

我不確定它會變怎樣

but I've got a bit of effort involved in this thing.

但我投了心力在這上面

And it's going to change as I go through it.

等一下隨著我的表演，它會有所變化

But I really like it, it feels right.

但我真的很喜歡，感覺很對！

This may not be the right shape, and -- look at this shape,

這不一定會是對的形狀，但我會看著這個形狀

and then I'll show you the first design I ever put to it,

然後我會讓你們看到我最初的設計

just to see, just to play,

就看看、玩一下

because I love all different kinds of things to play with.

因為我喜歡玩各式各樣不同的東西

Let's see here.

看看這個

To work with the positive and negative in a different way.

把正負空間用不同的手法呈現

And to change, and to change.

做變換、做變換

So, I'm off in my new direction with this to explore rhythm and space.

好，今天就到這兒，我要繼續在節奏和空間中探索新方向了

We'll see what I come up with. Thanks for having me.

看看我會找出什麼！謝謝你們的邀請

(Applause)

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