How to put the power of law in people's hands | Vivek Maru

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翻译人员: Lyn Huang 校对人员: Zirui Zhou
00:12
I want to tell you about someone.
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我想介绍一个人。
00:15
I'm going to call him Ravi Nanda.
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他叫 Ravi Nanda。
00:17
I'm changing his name to protect his safety.
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出于安全考虑,我用了化名。
00:20
Ravi's from a community of herdspeople in Gujarat
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Ravi 来自印度西南方的海岸边
00:24
on the western coast of India,
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古吉拉特邦的一个牧民族群,
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same place my own family comes from.
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和我的家族来自同一个地方。
00:30
When he was 10 years old, his entire community was forced to move
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在他 10 岁时, 他的整个族群被迫迁移,
00:35
because a multinational corporation
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因为有一家跨国公司
00:37
constructed a manufacturing facility on the land where they lived.
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在他们生活的土地上 建造了一间制造工厂。
00:42
Then, 20 years later, the same company built a cement factory
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20 年后,同一家公司 又兴建了一间水泥工厂,
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100 meters from where they live now.
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离他们现在生活的地方只有 100 米。
00:51
India has got strong environmental regulations on paper,
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印度有着严格的成文环境法案,
00:56
but this company has violated many of them.
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但是这家公司已经 违反了许多条例。
00:59
Dust from that factory covers Ravi's mustache
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Ravi 的胡子和全身
01:02
and everything he wears.
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都布满了来自工厂的灰尘。
01:05
I spent just two days in his place, and I coughed for a week.
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我只在他家呆了两天, 然后咳嗽了整整一个星期。
01:10
Ravi says that if people or animals eat anything that grows in his village
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Ravi 说如果人或动物食用了 任何生长在他们村子的东西,
01:15
or drink the water,
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或是饮用了水源,
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they get sick.
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他们就会生病。
01:19
He says children now walk long distances with cattle and buffalo
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他说现在孩子们需要跟着牲畜 和水牛走上很长一段路,
01:24
to find uncontaminated grazing land.
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去寻找未被污染的牧场。
01:28
He says many of those kids have dropped out of school,
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有很多这样的孩子已经退学,
01:31
including three of his own.
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包括他自己的三个孩子。
01:35
Ravi has appealed to the company for years.
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Ravi 已经向那家公司呼吁了很多年。
01:38
He said, "I've written so many letters my family could cremate me with them.
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他说:“我写了那么多的信, 我的家人都可以用它们火化我了,
01:43
They wouldn't need to buy any wood."
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完全不需要买任何木材。”
01:44
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:47
He said the company ignored every one of those letters,
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然而他说,那家公司 忽视了每一封信,
01:51
and so in 2013,
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然后到了 2013 年,
01:53
Ravi Nanda decided to use the last means of protest
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Ravi Nanda 决定使用他认为仅剩
01:58
he thought he had left.
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的最后一种抗议方法。
02:00
He walked to the gates of that factory with a bucket of petrol in his hands,
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他走到那间工厂的大门前, 手上提着一桶汽油,
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intending to set himself on fire.
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打算自焚。
02:10
Ravi is not alone in his desperation.
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Ravi 并不是唯一一个 处于绝望境地的人。
02:14
The UN estimates that worldwide,
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据联合国估算,在世界范围内,
02:16
four billion people live without basic access to justice.
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有 40 亿人的生活环境 丧失了基本的公正。
02:22
These people face grave threats to their safety, their livelihoods,
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这些人在他们的安全, 生计和尊严方面
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their dignity.
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面对着巨大的威胁。
02:29
There are almost always laws on the books that would protect these people,
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几乎总有保护这些人们的法律,
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but they've often never heard of those laws,
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但是通常他们从未听说过那些法律,
02:36
and the systems that are supposed to enforce those laws
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而负责落实那些法律的系统
02:40
are corrupt or broken or both.
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已经腐化或者失去职能, 或二者兼有。
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We are living with a global epidemic of injustice,
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不公在全球都是 一个普遍存在的现象,
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but we've been choosing to ignore it.
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但我们一直选择忽视这个问题。
02:54
Right now, in Sierra Leone,
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目前,在塞拉利昂(非洲西部国家),
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in Cambodia, in Ethiopia,
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柬埔寨(东南亚国家), 埃塞俄比亚(非洲东北部国家),
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farmers are being cajoled
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农民们被哄骗
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into putting their thumbprints on 50-year lease agreements,
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把他们的拇指印盖在 为期 50 年的租约上,
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signing away all the land they've ever known for a pittance
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转让他们拥有的所有土地 以换取极少的钱,
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without anybody even explaining the terms.
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却没有任何人向他们解释条款内容。
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Governments seem to think that's OK.
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政府似乎认为这样做没有任何问题。
03:18
Right now, in the United States,
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此时此刻,在美国,
03:20
in India, in Slovenia,
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在印度,在斯洛文尼亚(南欧共和国),
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people like Ravi are raising their children
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很多像 Ravi 这样的人
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in the shadow of factories or mines
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正在污染他们的空气和水源
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that are poisoning their air and their water.
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的工厂或矿山的阴影下 抚养他们的孩子。
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There are environmental laws that would protect these people,
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有环境法案能够保护这些人们,
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but many have never seen those laws,
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但是很多人从没见过这样的法律,
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let alone having a shot at enforcing them.
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更别提去落实它们。
03:40
And the world seems to have decided that's OK.
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而这个世界似乎认为这样没有问题。
03:45
What would it take to change that?
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改变这些的代价是什么?
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Law is supposed to be the language we use
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我们本可以把法律当作一种语言, 将关于正义的梦想
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to translate our dreams about justice
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转化为使我们团结在一起
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into living institutions that hold us together.
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的活生生的制度。
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Law is supposed to be the difference
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法律本应该
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between a society ruled by the most powerful
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是介于被强权统治的社会
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and one that honors the dignity of everyone,
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和致敬每一个人的尊严的社会 之间的差异,
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strong or weak.
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不论强大或弱小。
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That's why I told my grandmother 20 years ago
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这就是为什么 20 年前我告诉祖母,
04:11
that I wanted to go to law school.
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我想去法学院。
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Grandma didn't pause. She didn't skip a beat.
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祖母毫不犹豫,字字铿锵地
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She said to me, "Lawyer is liar."
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对我说:“律师!就是!骗子!”
04:20
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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That was discouraging.
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那非常让人泄气。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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But grandma's right, in a way.
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但祖母是对的,
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Something about law and lawyers has gone wrong.
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我们的法律和律师的确出了问题。
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We lawyers are usually expensive, first of all,
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首先,律师通常收费不菲,
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and we tend to focus on formal court channels
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并且我们倾向于去关注 正式的法庭渠道,
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that are impractical for many of the problems people face.
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而这些对于人们所遇到 的许多问题并不适用。
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Worse, our profession has shrouded law in a cloak of complexity.
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更糟糕的是,这个行业 把法律遮蔽在复杂性的斗篷之下。
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Law is like riot gear on a police officer.
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法律就像警察身上穿的防暴服。
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It's intimidating and impenetrable,
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既令人望而生畏,又无法穿透,
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and it's hard to tell there's something human underneath.
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并且难以从底下分辨出人性的存在。
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If we're going to make justice a reality for everyone,
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如果我们要在每个人身上实现公正,
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we need to turn law from an abstraction or a threat
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我们就需要把法律从抽象或威胁
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into something that every single person can understand, use and shape.
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转化成每个人都能理解, 使用和塑造的事物,
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Lawyers are crucial in that fight, no doubt,
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毫无疑问,律师的角色 在这场斗争中至关重要,
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but we can't leave it to lawyers alone.
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但是我们不能让律师们孤军奋战。
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In health care, for example,
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比如,在医疗领域,
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we don't just rely on doctors to serve patients.
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我们不只是依赖医生去照顾病人,
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We have nurses and midwives and community health workers.
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我们还有护士,助产士 和社区医务工作者。
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The same should be true of justice.
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司法系统也是同样道理。
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Community legal workers,
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社区法务工作者,
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sometimes we call them community paralegals,
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有时我们也称他们为社区法律助理,
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or barefoot lawyers,
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或赤脚律师,
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can be a bridge.
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能成为一座桥梁。
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These paralegals are from the communities they serve.
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这些法律助理都来自 他们所服务的社区。
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They demystify law,
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他们对法律条文进行了 深入浅出的解释,
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break it down into simple terms,
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把法律分解成简单易懂的条例,
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and then they help people look for a solution.
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并帮助人们寻找解决问题的方法。
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They don't focus on the courts alone.
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他们并不只是把目光 局限于法院之上,
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They look everywhere:
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他们举目四望:
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ministry departments, local government, an ombudsman's office.
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政商部门、当地政府、监察员办公室。
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Lawyers sometimes say to their clients,
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律师有时会对他们的客户们说,
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"I'll handle it for you. I've got you."
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“我会帮您处理,交给我吧。”
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Paralegals have a different message,
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法律助理则会传达不一样的信息,
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not "I'm going to solve it for you,"
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不是 “我会为您解决问题。”
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but "We're going to solve it together,
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而是 “让我们一起解决问题,
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and in the process, we're both going to grow."
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在这个过程中,我们双方都会成长。”
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Community paralegals saved my own relationship to law.
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社区法律助理 曾挽救了法律与我的联系。
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After about a year in law school, I almost dropped out.
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在进入法学院差不多一年之后, 我差点退学,
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I was thinking maybe I should have listened to my grandmother.
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当时我想也许我应该听祖母的话。
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It was when I started working with paralegals
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然而 2003 年,在塞拉利昂,
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in Sierra Leone, in 2003,
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当我刚开始和法律助理一起合作,
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that I began feeling hopeful about the law again,
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我再次感受到了对法律的希冀,
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and I have been obsessed ever since.
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自那以后我就着迷了。
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Let me come back to Ravi.
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让我们回到 Ravi 的话题。
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2013, he did reach the gates of that factory
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2013 年,他确实来到了 那家工厂的大门口,
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with the bucket of petrol in his hands,
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手上提着一桶汽油,
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but he was arrested before he could follow through.
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但是就在下一步动作 开始之前,他被逮捕了。
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He didn't have to spend long in jail,
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他不需要在监狱里呆很久,
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but he felt completely defeated.
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但是他感觉自己被彻底打倒了。
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Then, two years later, he met someone.
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两年之后,他遇到了一个人。
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I'm going to call him Kush.
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我叫他 Kush。
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Kush is part of a team of community paralegals
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Kush 是社区法律助理中的一员,
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that works for environmental justice on the Gujarat coast.
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在古吉拉特邦海岸 做关于环境保护的司法工作。
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Kush explained to Ravi that there was law on his side.
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Kush 向 Ravi 解释了 法律是站在他这一边的,
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Kush translated into Gujarati something Ravi had never seen.
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并把这些法律翻译成 Ravi 从未见识过的古吉拉特语,
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It's called the "consent to operate."
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被称为“允许运转”的概念。
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It's issued by the state government,
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这一条例由州政府提出,
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and it allows the factory to run
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指在遵从特定条件的前提下,
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only if it complies with specific conditions.
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可以允许工厂正常运转。
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So together, they compared the legal requirements with reality,
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所以他们一起把法律规定 与现实状况做比对,
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they collected evidence,
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收集证据,
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and they drafted an application --
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然后拟定了一份申请,
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not to the courts, but to two administrative institutions,
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不是提交给法院, 而是提交给了两个行政机构,
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the Pollution Control Board and the district administration.
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污染控制局和地方行政局。
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Those applications started turning the creaky wheels of enforcement.
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这些申请开始推动“实施”的老旧车轮。
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A pollution officer came for a site inspection,
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一名污染控制局的负责人 来进行现场视察,
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and after that, the company started running an air filtration system
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然后这家公司开始 运行起了空气过滤系统,
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it was supposed to have been using all along.
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按规定,这种系统 本就应该一直采用的。
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It also started covering the 100 trucks
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那家公司又罩住了
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that come and go from that plant every day.
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每天从工厂进出的 100 辆卡车。
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Those two measures reduced the air pollution considerably.
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那两种方法极大地减少了空气污染,
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The case is far from over,
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虽然这件案子还远未结束,
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but learning and using law gave Ravi hope.
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但是学习并使用法律 给了 Ravi 希望。
08:30
There are people like Kush walking alongside people like Ravi
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很多地方,我们都会 看到像 Kush 这样的人
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in many places.
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在帮助像 Ravi 这样的人。
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Today, I work with a group called Namati.
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现在,我为一个叫做 Namati 的组织工作。
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Namati helps convene a global network
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Namati 帮助我们集聚起 一个全球性的网络,
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dedicated to legal empowerment.
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致力于赋予人们法律上的权利。
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All together, we are over a thousand organizations
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我们总共有一千多个组织,
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in 120 countries.
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遍及 120 个国家。
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Collectively, we deploy tens of thousands of community paralegals.
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我们总共调配了 数以万计的社区法律助理。
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Let me give you another example.
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让我再举一个例子。
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This is Khadija Hamsa.
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这是 Khadija Hamsa。
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She is one of five million people in Kenya who faces a discriminatory vetting process
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她是在尝试获得国籍身份证, 却在肯尼亚接受身份审查时
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when trying to obtain a national ID card.
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面临性别歧视的五百万女性之一。
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It is like the Jim Crow South in the United States.
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这就像是美国的南部黑人隔离法。
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If you are from a certain set of tribes,
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如果你来自一个特殊的群体,
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most of them Muslim,
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其中大多数是穆斯林,
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you get sent to a different line.
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你就会受到区别对待。
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Without an ID, you can't apply for a job.
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没有身份证,你找不到工作,
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You can't get a bank loan.
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无法向银行贷款,
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You can't enroll in university.
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无法升入大学,
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You are excluded from society.
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你会被社会排斥在外。
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Khadija tried off and on to get an ID for eight years, without success.
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Khadija 八年来一次又一次尝试 获得一张身份证,从未成功。
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Then she met a paralegal working in her community
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后来她遇到了一位 在他们社区工作的法律助理,
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named Hassan Kassim.
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叫做 Hanssan Kassim。
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Hassan explained to Khadija how vetting works,
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Hassan 向 Khadija 解释了身份审查的流程,
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he helped her gather the documents she needed,
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并帮助她搜集了所有需要的文件,
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helped prep her to go before the vetting committee.
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在去评审委员会之前帮助她预演准备。
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Finally, she was able to get an ID with Hassan's help.
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最后,在 Hassan 的帮助下, 她得到了身份证。
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First thing she did with it
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拿到身份证后她做的第一件事,
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was use it to apply for birth certificates for her children,
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就是为她的孩子们申请出生证明。
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which they need in order to go to school.
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这是他们上学时必要的证明。
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In the United States, among many other problems,
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我们在美国也面临许多问题,
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we have a housing crisis.
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其中一个就是住房危机。
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In many cities,
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在许多城市,
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90 percent of the landlords in housing court have attorneys,
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百分之九十的房东 在房产纠纷的法庭上有辩护律师,
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while 90 percent of the tenants do not.
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但百分之九十的租客却没有。
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In New York, a new crew of paralegals --
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在纽约,出现了一群 新兴的法律助理,
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they're called Access to Justice Navigators --
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被叫做“获得司法公正的导航者”。
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helps people to understand housing law and to advocate for themselves.
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他们帮助人们理解与住房相关 的法律并为他们发声。
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Normally in New York,
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在纽约,通常来说,
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one out of nine tenants brought to housing court
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九个租客中的一个 被带到住房法庭上
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gets evicted.
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就会遭到强制驱逐。
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Researchers took a look at 150 cases
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研究者们调查了 150 多个
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in which people had help from these paralegals,
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人们得到法律助理协助的案例,
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and they found no evictions at all,
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他们之中没有人遭到强制驱逐,
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not one.
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一个都没有。
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A little bit of legal empowerment can go a long way.
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哪怕只是星点地赋予人们 使用法律的权利,就能发挥很大的作用。
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I see the beginnings of a real movement,
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我看到了实践的开端,
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but we're nowhere near what's necessary.
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但我们做的还远远不够,
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Not yet.
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还要再接再厉。
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In most countries around the world,
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在世界上的许多国家中,
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governments do not provide a single dollar of support
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政府不会为给像 Hassan 和 Kush 这样的法律助理
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to paralegals like Hassan and Kush.
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提供一分钱的支持。
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Most governments don't even recognize the role paralegals play,
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许多政府甚至不了解 法律助理所扮演的角色,
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or protect paralegals from harm.
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更不要说保护他们远离危险。
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I also don't want to give you the impression
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我也并不想给你们一个印象,
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that paralegals and their clients win every time.
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法律助理和他们的客户们 每次都能在斗争中获胜。
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Not at all.
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千万别这么想。
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That cement factory behind Ravi's village,
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Ravi 家后面的那间水泥工厂
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it's been turning off the filtration system at night,
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已经开始在夜晚关闭空气过滤系统,
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when it's least likely that the company would get caught.
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这是那家公司最不可能 被揭发的时间段。
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Running that filter costs money.
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因为运转空气过滤系统需要花钱。
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Ravi WhatsApps photos of the polluted night sky.
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Ravi 把那些被污染的夜空的照片 发在了 WhatsApps(社交软件)上。
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This is one he sent to Kush in May.
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这是他五月发给 Kush 的照片。
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Ravi says the air is still unbreathable.
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Ravi 说空气还是令人难以呼吸。
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At one point this year, Ravi went on hunger strike.
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在今年的某个时候, Ravi 开始绝食抗议。
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Kush was frustrated.
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Kush 十分受挫。
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He said, "We can win if we use the law."
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他说:“我们能够使用法律获胜。”
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Ravi said, "I believe in the law, I do,
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Ravi 说:“我相信法律,真的。
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but it's not getting us far enough."
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但使用法律并没能让我们走得足够远。”
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Whether it's India, Kenya, the United States or anywhere else,
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不论是在印度,肯尼亚, 美国还是其他任何地方,
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trying to squeeze justice out of broken systems
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试图从破碎的系统中压榨出 最后一点公正,都会跟 Ravi
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is like Ravi's case.
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面临相同的境遇。
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Hope and despair are neck and neck.
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希望与绝望并存。
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And so not only do we urgently need to support and protect
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所以我们需要做的 不只是迫切地去支持和保护
12:22
the work of barefoot lawyers around the world,
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世界各地赤脚律师们的工作,
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we need to change the systems themselves.
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我们还需要去改变这些制度本身。
12:29
Every case a paralegal takes on
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法律助理接下的每一个案子
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is a story about how a system is working in practice.
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就是关于一个系统如何运行的故事。
12:37
When you put those stories together,
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当你把那些故事整合到一起,
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it gives you a detailed portrait of the system as a whole.
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就会得到这个系统 从整体和细节上的画像。
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People can use that information
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人们能够利用这些信息
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to demand improvements to laws and policies.
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去要求法律和政策的改善。
12:48
In India, paralegals and clients have drawn on their case experience
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在印度,法律助理和委托人依据经验
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to propose smarter regulations for the handling of minerals.
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为矿产处理规定提出更好的建议。
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In Kenya, paralegals and clients are using data from thousands of cases
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在肯尼亚,法律助理和委托人 利用成千上万案例的资料
13:02
to argue that vetting is unconstitutional.
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对性别审查的违宪问题据理力争。
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This is a different way of approaching reform.
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这就是实现改革的不同方法。
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This is not a consultant flying into Myanmar
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这不同于一个顾问飞往缅甸,
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with a template he's going to cut and paste from Macedonia,
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带着可以从马其顿(南欧共和国) 剪切并粘贴的文件模板,
13:17
and this is not an angry tweet.
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也不同于一条愤怒的微博。
13:21
This is about growing reforms from the experience of ordinary people
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这是关于从普通人努力 使规则和制度发挥作用
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trying to make the rules and systems work.
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的经验中不断壮大的改革。
13:29
This transformation in the relationship between people and law
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让人们与法律的联系发生转化
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is the right thing to do.
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是一件正确的事。
13:38
It's also essential for overcoming
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当克服我们时代中
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all of the other great challenges of our times.
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其它的巨大难题时, 这同样也是必不可少的。
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We are not going to avert environmental collapse
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如果饱受污染的摧残的人们,
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if the people most affected by pollution
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对发生在土地和 水源上的事没有发言权,
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don't have a say in what happens to the land and the water,
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我们将无法避免环境系统的崩溃;
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and we won't succeed in reducing poverty or expanding opportunity
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如果穷人没法践行他们最基本的权利,
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if poor people can't exercise their basic rights.
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我们在减少贫困、增加机会上 就不会取得成功。
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And I believe we won't overcome
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我相信,如果我们的体制 继续受到操纵,
14:11
the despair that authoritarian politicians prey upon
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我们将无法克服极权主义政客
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if our systems stay rigged.
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所利用的绝望情绪。
14:20
I called Ravi before coming here to ask permission to share his story.
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我在来这里之前询问过 Ravi 是否可以分享他的故事。
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I asked if there was any message he wanted to give people.
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我问他是否有什么话想传达给大家。
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He said, "[Gujarati]."
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他说:“(古吉拉特语)”
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Wake up.
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“醒过来。”
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"[Gujarati]."
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“(古吉拉特语)”
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Don't be afraid.
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“别害怕。”
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"[Gujarati]."
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“(古吉拉特语)”
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Fight with paper.
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“用纸张作战。”
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By that I think he means fight using law rather than guns.
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我认为他的意思是 用法律而不是用枪支作战。
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"[Gujarati]."
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“(古吉拉特语)”
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Maybe not today, maybe not this year, maybe not in five years,
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“可能不是今天,可能不是今年, 可能不是接下来的五年之内,
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but find justice.
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但还是不要放弃追寻公正之所在。
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If this guy, whose entire community is being poisoned every single day,
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如果这个人生活的整个环境 每一天都在遭受毒害,
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who was ready to take his own life --
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他已经准备祭出自己的生命——
15:12
if he's not giving up on seeking justice,
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如果他都没有放弃追寻公正,
15:15
then the world can't give up either.
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那么这个世界也同样不能放弃。
15:19
Ultimately, what Ravi calls "fighting with paper"
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最后,Ravi 所说的“用纸张作战”
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is about forging a deeper version of democracy
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是想要锻造出更深层次的民主,
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in which we the people,
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在这样的民主体制中,
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we don't just cast ballots every few years,
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我们不仅只是参与 每几年一次的投票,
15:30
we take part daily in the rules and institutions that hold us together,
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更是要参与到支持着我们 所有人的规则和机构当中,
15:37
in which everyone, even the least powerful,
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让我们所有人, 甚至是最弱势的群体
15:40
can know law, use law and shape law.
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都可以了解法律, 使用法律和塑造法律。
15:45
Making that happen, winning that fight,
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要实现这个理想,赢得这场斗争,
15:48
requires all of us.
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需要我们所有人参与其中。
15:50
Thank you guys. Thank you.
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谢谢你们,谢谢。
15:52
(Applause)
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(掌声)
16:01
Kelo Kubu: Thanks, Vivek.
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Kelo Kubu: 谢谢 Vivek。
16:03
So I'm going to make a few assumptions
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我想做几个假设——
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that people in this room know what the Sustainable Development Goals are
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坐在这里的人知道 可持续发展的目标是什么,
16:09
and how the process works,
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并且知道其运作的过程。
16:12
but I want us to talk a little bit
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但是我想和大家讨论一下
16:15
about Goal 16: Peace, justice and strong institutions.
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第十六个目标: 和平,公正和强大的体系。
16:20
Vivek Maru: Yeah. Anybody remember the Millennium Development Goals?
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Vivek Maru:有人记得 千禧年的发展目标吗?
16:24
They were adopted in 2000 by the UN and governments around the world,
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2000 年时,这些目标 被联合国和世界各国政府采用,
16:29
and they were for essential, laudable things.
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是针对一些基本的、 值得赞誉的事。
16:31
It was reduce child mortality by two thirds, cut hunger in half,
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减少三分之二的儿童死亡率、 一半的饥饿率,
16:35
crucial things.
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都是至关重要的事情。
16:36
But there was no mention of justice or fairness
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但其中却没有提到正义,公平,
16:39
or accountability or corruption,
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责任,或者腐败。
16:41
and we have made progress during the 15 years
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我们在过去的十五年中
16:44
when those goals were in effect,
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已经在朝着这些目标前进,
16:46
but we are way behind what justice demands,
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但同时对公正的需求却被抛在身后。
16:49
and we're not going to get there unless we take justice into account.
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除非我们同样重视公正, 不然我们不可能实现这些目标。
16:53
And so when the debate started about the next development framework,
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当人们开始对下一次发展框架,
16:56
the 2030 Sustainable Development Goals,
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即 2030 年的可持续发展目标 展开辩论时,
16:59
our community came together around the world
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全世界的团体齐聚一堂,
17:02
to argue that access to justice and legal empowerment
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讨论实现正义和法律赋权
17:06
should be a part of that new framework.
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应该成为新框架的一部分。
17:08
And there was a lot of resistance.
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当中也存在着很多反对的声音。
17:10
Those things are more political, more contentious than the other ones,
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因为这些事比其他目标 更加的政治化和具有争议性,
17:13
so we didn't know until the night before whether it was going to come through.
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所以直到成功的前夕, 我们都无法知道结果,
17:17
We squeaked by.
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只能走一步看一步。
17:18
The 16th out of 17 goals commits to access to justice for all,
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十七个目标中的第十六个, 旨在实现对所有人的公正,
17:22
which is a big deal.
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是一件了不得的事。
17:24
It's a big deal, yes. Let's clap for justice.
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是的,这很了不起, 让我们为公正鼓掌。
17:27
(Applause)
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(掌声)
17:29
Here's the scandal, though.
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但同时,还有一件难以启齿的事。
17:31
The day the goals were adopted,
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当一个目标被采纳之时,
17:34
most of them were accompanied by big commitments:
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大多数都会伴随着大量资助:
17:38
a billion dollars from the Gates Foundation
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来自盖茨基金会和
17:40
and the British government for nutrition;
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英国政府的 10 亿美元营养援助;
17:42
25 billion in public-private financing for health care for women and children.
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用于妇女和儿童卫生保健 的 250 亿美元公私合营资金。
17:46
On access to justice, we had the words on the paper,
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但在实现公正上,我们有书面认可,
17:49
but nobody pledged a penny,
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但却没有人赞助一分钱,
17:52
and so that is the opportunity and the challenge that we face right now.
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这就是我们目前 所面对的机遇和挑战。
17:56
The world recognizes more than ever before
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这个世界比以往任何时候 都更加认识到
17:59
that you can't have development without justice,
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失去公正,发展就从实现。
18:02
that people can't improve their lives if they can't exercise their rights,
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如果人们无法践行他们的权利, 就无法改善他们的生活。
18:05
and what we need to do now is turn that rhetoric,
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所以我们现在需要做的, 就是把华丽的辞藻
18:09
turn that principle, into reality.
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和所谓的道义,变成现实。
18:12
(Applause)
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(掌声)
18:17
KK: How can we help? What can people in this room do?
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Kelo Kubu:我们该怎样提供帮助呢? 在场的各位可以为你们做些什么?
18:20
VM: Great question. Thank you for asking.
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Vivek Maru: 好问题,谢谢你问这个问题。
18:23
I would say three things.
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我想提供三个途径。
18:25
One is invest.
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第一是投资。
18:27
If you have 10 dollars, or a hundred dollars, a million dollars,
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如果你有十美元, 或是一百美元,一百万美元,
考虑投资一些到 基层的法律赋权工作上。
18:30
consider putting some of it towards grassroots legal empowerment.
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它本身就是很重要的,
18:33
It's important in its own right
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对于我们所关心的一切事情 都十分重要。
18:35
and it's crucial for just about everything else we care about.
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18:38
Number two,
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第二,
18:39
push your politicians and your governments to make this a public priority.
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推动你当地的政治家和政府 把这项工作作为公众的优先事项。
18:45
Just like health or education, access to justice
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就像健康和教育一样, 公正的实现也同样
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should be one of the things that a government owes its people,
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应该成为政府对百姓的承诺,
18:51
and we're nowhere close to that,
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然而不论是富有还是贫穷的国家,
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neither in rich countries or poor countries.
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我们所做的都还远远不够。
18:55
Number three is: be a paralegal in your own life.
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第三:成为自己生活的法律助理。
19:00
Find an injustice or a problem where you live.
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找出你生活中存在的不公正现象,
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It's not hard to find, if you look.
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如果用心去发现的话,并不难找到。
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Is the river being contaminated,
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那条流经你生活的城市
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the one that passes through the city where you live?
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的河流被污染了吗?
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Are there workers getting paid less than minimum wage
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有哪些人的收入低于 最低工资标准吗?
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or who are working without safety gear?
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或者,有人在安全无法得到保障 的情况下工作吗?
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Get to know the people most affected,
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去了解那些受到影响最大的人们,
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find out what the rules say,
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弄清规章制度怎么说,
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see if you can use those rules to get a solution.
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看能否使用那些章程 找到解决问题的方法。
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If it doesn't work, see if you can come together to improve those rules.
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如果没用的话,再看能否 与其他人一同改进那些章程。
19:25
Because if we all start knowing law, using law and shaping law,
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因为一旦我们开始了解法律, 使用法律和塑造法律,
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then we will be building that deeper version of democracy
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我们就能锻造出更深层次的民主。
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that I believe our world desperately needs.
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我相信,这是我们的世界 最迫切需要的。
(鼓掌)
19:39
(Applause)
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Kelo Kubu:非常谢谢你,Vivek。 Vivek:谢谢。
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KK: Thanks so much, Vivek. VM: Thank you.
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