Gabby Rivera: The story of Marvel's first queer Latina superhero | TED

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翻译人员: duan JiGang 校对人员: jacks peng
00:13
At no point did I think superheroes would become such a huge part of my life.
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我从没想过超级英雄会成为 我生命中如此重要的一部分。
00:21
As a kid, I looked at them, and I saw everything I wasn't.
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小时候当我看他们时, 我觉得我什么都不是。
00:25
They had big muscles,
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他们有大块的肌肉,
00:27
supermodel good looks,
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超模一样好看的长相,
00:28
and phenomenal cosmic powers.
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以及异于常人的无尽力量。
00:32
And me?
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而我呢?
00:34
I kind of looked like this,
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我看起来像这样,
00:36
except shorter and with frizzier hair,
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除了长得矮和一头卷发,
00:39
and I never felt powerful.
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我从未觉得自己强大。
00:43
I was always just one big ball of nervous, soft energy,
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我曾只是一个紧张的, 软弱的一个大球
00:46
and superheroes, much like the bullies at school,
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而超级英雄, 像是学校中的地痞流氓,
00:51
didn't seem to have a lot of room for that, for me.
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对我来说,貌似没有太多的位置。
00:54
So I stayed away.
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所以,我远离他们。
00:57
And besides, who needs superheroes
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另外,当你周围都是来自布朗克斯区
00:59
when you're surrounded by Puerto Rican women from the Bronx?
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的波多黎各妇女时, 谁还需要超级英雄?
01:02
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:05
My tías were cops and paramedics,
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我的阿姨们是警察和医护人员,
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my abuelas were seamstresses and sold jewelry up the street,
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我的外婆是裁缝,奶奶沿街售卖珠宝,
01:12
and my mom got her master's degree
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而我妈妈有教育学的硕士学位
01:15
in education and taught kindergarten in New York City public schools
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并且在纽约的公立学校的幼儿园
01:18
for over 30 years.
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教授有30多年之久。
01:20
So my superheroes were sitting around the dinner table with me.
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所以我的超级英雄一直 都陪我围坐餐桌前。
01:24
And I don't know how much time
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我不知道你们有多少时间
01:25
you've spent with Puerto Rican women from the Bronx,
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和来自布朗克斯的 波多黎各妇女一起相处过,
01:28
but we're also some of the world's greatest storytellers.
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但是我们都是这个世界上 最伟大的故事讲述者。
01:33
And I'd sit there at my grandmother's dining room table
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我经常会坐在外婆家的餐桌旁
01:37
and I'd listen to the women in my family
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听着我们家族的女人讲述
01:41
tell these wild, rambunctious tales about navigating their lives in the Bronx.
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那些关于她们在布朗克斯区 生活中狂野的故事。
01:47
And I wanted to be them so bad.
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我很想成为她们。
01:50
But I wasn't tough like them either.
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但我却不像她们那样坚强。
01:52
So mostly, I listened,
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所以,多数时候, 我只是倾听,
01:54
and I soaked it in,
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并沉浸于其中,
01:56
and I found myself gravitating to the soft threads in their stories,
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我发现我被故事中的 柔软思绪所吸引,
02:02
and I wrote those down.
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所以我把它们写下来。
02:04
The funny, the goofy, the gentle --
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有趣的,傻傻的,温柔的,
02:08
those were my in to storytelling,
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这就是我讲故事的方式,
02:12
so much so that I wrote a young-adult novel
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内容如此之多以至于 我写了一本叫做
02:16
called "Juliet Takes a Breath,"
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《朱丽叶喘口气》的青少年小说,
02:18
about a chubby, queer Puerto Rican girl from the Bronx
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这是关于一个来自布朗克斯区 丰满的波多黎各酷儿女孩,
02:22
navigating sexuality, family and identity.
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她正探索自己的性取向,家庭和身份。
02:27
And on the strength of "Juliet,"
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拜《朱丽叶》所赐,
02:29
Marvel Comics tapped me to write the solo series
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漫威漫画委托我为他们第一任 拉丁美洲裔女同超级英雄
02:33
for their first-ever Latina lesbian superhero,
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单独写一个系列,
02:38
America Chavez.
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艾美莉卡·查韦斯。
02:40
Yeah!
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是的!
02:41
(Cheers)
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(欢呼)
02:43
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:45
Listen, OK.
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听着,
02:46
Created by Joe Casey and Nick Dragotta for the Marvel miniseries "Vengeance,"
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乔·凯西和尼克·德拉戈塔为漫威的 迷你系列《复仇》创造了她,
02:52
America Chavez has been in the Marvel Universe
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艾美莉卡·查韦斯已经在漫威宇宙中
02:55
for over seven years.
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存在超过7年时间了。
02:57
She's tough, Latina,
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她是顽强的拉丁裔女人,
02:59
and she's so strong that she can punch portals into other dimensions.
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她强大到可以打出 穿越其他维度空间之门。
03:03
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:04
I know, right?
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我知道,对吧?
03:05
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:07
And people were so excited,
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人们非常激动,
03:08
because finally, someone who shared her identities -- queer and Latina --
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因为,最终有个与她相同身份的人 ——酷儿和拉丁裔——
03:13
would be writing her story.
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来书写她的故事。
03:15
And I saw that, right?
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我也看到那点,对吧?
03:17
And also, when I looked at America,
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当我看着艾美莉卡时,
03:19
I saw a young Latina in survival mode.
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我看到一个年轻的拉丁裔女性 在求生存。
03:24
See, because her moms had sacrificed themselves to the universe
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瞧,因为她的妈妈 在艾美莉卡孩提时牺牲自己
03:27
when she was a kid,
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来挽救宇宙,
03:29
and she'd been on her own ever since.
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从那以后她都靠自己。
03:32
No wonder she had to be tough.
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难怪她必须坚强。
03:35
And that link, that link of having to be tough,
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这个原因,这种让她坚强的原因
03:38
that rested heavy with me.
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确实让我很沉痛。
03:41
Like I said, I'm from the Bronx, and the Bronx is tough,
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如我所说,我来自布朗克斯, 布朗克斯这个地方很强悍,
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tough like walking past sidewalk memorials
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强悍就比如是在去乘火车的路上,
03:47
and dodging cop towers on your way to the train type of tough.
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要走过人行道纪念碑 和躲避警察塔一样的强悍。
03:51
When stuff happens that's bad, people are like,
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当坏的事情发生时,人们通常说,
03:54
"Yo, you gotta keep it moving. You gotta keep trucking.
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“你得动起来,你得继续前进。
03:56
Don't cry. Don't let it get to you."
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别哭,别让这事情影响到你。”
03:59
And my mom and my tías and my abuelas,
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我的妈妈,阿姨 还有我的外婆和奶奶,
04:02
I never saw them take a moment to rest or to invest in self-care.
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我从未见到她们休息片刻 或者为自己的健康投资。
04:08
And their soft? It never left the house.
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而她们的柔弱?从未离开过家门。
04:13
And so that was the first thing that I wanted to give to America,
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所以这是我要给艾美莉卡 的第一件东西,
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the thing that I wished I'd been able to give to my abuelas and my tías,
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也是我希望我曾可以给我的 外婆和姑姑的东西,
04:20
the thing that I'm trying to give to my mom now:
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也正是我现在想传达给 我妈妈的东西:
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permission to be soft.
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可以变柔。
04:26
Like, it's OK to sit in silence
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就像,你完全可以沉默地坐着,
04:31
and go on a journey just to discover yourself,
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可以出去旅行只为发现你自己,
04:33
and your pain will make you crumble and you will fall
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你的疼痛会让你崩溃,让你摔倒,
04:36
and you will need to ask people for help,
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你需要向他人寻求帮助,
04:38
and that's OK,
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这都是可以的,
04:40
and that being vulnerable is good for us.
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有时,脆弱对我们来说是有好处的。
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But see, I didn't come to all this compassion and healing stuff
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但是,我并非平白无故就
04:47
like, you know, out of nowhere,
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想出这些有同情心和治愈的东西。
04:49
and so when it came to America's story,
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所以,当谈到艾美莉卡的故事时,
04:52
I wanted to give her the space to be human, to mess up,
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我想要给她空间,让她可以 更人性,可以把事情弄糟,
04:57
and to find soft on her own.
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并发现自己的柔软之处。
05:01
So she kind of had to quit her day job. You know what I'm saying?
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所以她不得不辞掉工作。 你们知道我要说什么了吗?
05:04
I had to give her a superhero sabbatical,
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我必须要给她一个 超级英雄的假期,
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
05:08
and the first thing I did was enroll her in Justice Sonia Sotomayor University.
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我做的第一件事是让她上 索尼娅·索托马约尔大学。
05:13
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
05:17
(Applause)
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(掌声)
05:18
Because where else would she feel safe and represented and liberated
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难道还有其它地方比这所 以第一位被提名为最高法院大法官的
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but a university dedicated to the first Puerto Rican woman
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波多黎各裔女性命名的大学
05:27
nominated to the Supreme Court of the United States?
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更能让她感受到安全, 尊敬和自由的地方吗?
05:32
And her first class is "Intergalactic Revolutionaries and You,"
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她的第一课是 “银河系革命和你”,
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and America is so excited, she's ready to show off her strength,
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艾美莉卡很激动, 她也准备好了展示自己的力量,
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she's ready to show off her portal-punching skills,
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她也摆好了自己能够 打出传送门的技能,
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(Laughter)
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(笑s声)
05:44
and I stripped that safety net from her right away.
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但我立刻剥去了她身上那层安全网。
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And I limited her powers, and I changed up her location
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我限制她的力量, 然后我改变她的位置
05:50
and shook up her world, because that is what college is like,
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并且重组她的世界, 因为大学里就是这样。
05:55
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
05:56
especially if you're alone.
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特别是当你孤身一人时。
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But I didn't want America to be alone for long,
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但是我不想艾美莉卡一直孤单,
06:03
and so in a homework assignment gone totally wrong,
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所以,在一次搞砸了家庭作业后,
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she lands on a battlefield with the X-Men.
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她和X战警一起上了战场,
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:10
Because, when I was in college,
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因为,当我在大学时,
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the Reverend Kelly Brown Douglas was my mentor,
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牧师凯利·布朗·道格拉斯 是我的导师,
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and I knew that America Chavez needed one, too.
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我知道艾美莉卡也需要一个导师。
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And who better to mentor America Chavez than Storm,
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对艾美莉卡来说, 还有比暴风女更好的导师吗?
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the first black female superhero
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她是第一位黑人女性超级英雄,
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and one of the most powerful members of the X-Men?
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同样也是X战警中最强大的成员。
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Nobody, that's who.
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还有谁?没人。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:36
And Storm teaches America how to quiet her mind
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暴风女教导艾美莉卡 如何在一扇星际之门中
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inside of a star portal,
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平静自己的心灵,
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and when America quiets her mind, she opens up the dimensions,
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当艾美莉卡静下心时, 她打开了多维空间,
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and in that silence,
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在那种静寂中,
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she can listen for anything and anyone.
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她可以倾听任何事情,任何人。
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And no one has ever offered her silence and deep reflection
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没人曾告诉她静寂和禅定
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as a way to be powerful.
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可以让一个人强大。
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And at first, she rejects it, but with Storm's encouragement,
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一开始,她拒绝它, 但是在暴风女的鼓励下,
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it clicks,
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她成功了,
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and America quiets the world around her,
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艾美莉卡让她周遭的世界平静下来,
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and she leans into a deep vulnerability.
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她陷入了深深的脆弱中。
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I mean, her and Storm even hug.
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我是说,她和暴风女甚至拥抱。
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I know.
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我知道。
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And that's because my mentors loved me enough
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那是因为我的导师特别欣赏我
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to encourage me to investigate myself and my ancestors,
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并鼓励我探寻我自己和我的祖先,
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and when you're 19, how do you even know what that means?
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当你只有19岁的时, 你怎么会知道那是什么意思?
07:30
I didn't learn about the history of my people in college.
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我并没有在大学中 学到我们族人的历史。
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I learned about the history of my people sitting on my grandmother's lap
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我是在我奶奶的的膝上了解到的,
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when she pulled out the photo album
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我外婆会拿出来相册
07:40
and she named everyone that was here and everyone still left on the island.
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说出移民到这里的和 留在岛上的人的名字。
07:44
So obviously, I had to crash-land a grandma on America Chavez,
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所以,显然,我需要给 艾美莉卡紧急空降一个外婆,
07:49
and not just any grandma -- a big, strong, luchador grandma,
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不是个普通外婆—— 得是个强壮高大的圣斗士外婆,
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one that loved her enough to take her to the ancestral plain,
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一个足够爱她并会把她 带回祖先星球的外婆,
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where America Chavez could see the history of her people
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在那个星球上, 艾美莉卡在天空的呈现中
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play out in the skies above.
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看到了她族人的历史。
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And America gets to see Planeta Fuertona,
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也看到了 Fuertona 行星,
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the birth planet of her grandmother,
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她外婆诞生的星球,
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and she sees it get invaded,
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她看到了这个星球被入侵,
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and she sees her grandmother and her mom flee.
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她看到了自己的妈妈和外婆逃亡。
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And she also sees the joy that they experience
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她看到了母亲和外婆
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when their new homeland accepts them openly
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在新的家园受欢迎 并且得到极大帮助时,
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and offers them tremendous care.
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她们所享受的欢乐。
08:29
She gets to see great pain met with even greater compassion,
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她看到巨大的痛苦遇到 更巨大的同情,
08:33
and that's right alongside the tremendous strength of her family.
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这与她家庭的力量相辅相成。
08:39
And so everywhere that I could, right,
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所以,在任何地方
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I wrote her little love notes
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我都会给她写下爱的小纸条,
08:44
for her and for all the other queer kids of color
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献给她还有其它想要变杰出
08:47
trying to be magnificent.
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有色种族的酷儿孩子们。
08:50
Like, when you lose yourself,
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就像,当你迷失自己时,
08:53
dig deep into your ancestry, because you will find the pieces there.
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不如深入探寻你的先辈们, 因为你将在那里找到片段。
08:59
And also, reminders that soft is not a pass to duck,
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同时记得,柔不是逃避的通行证
09:05
to hide, to be silent, to cower.
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也不是躲避,沉默和畏缩的理由。
09:09
Soft is also a push
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柔同样也是让我们坚守责任心
09:11
to hold ourselves accountable.
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的一种推动力。
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Kind of like when America lands in World War II
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有点像艾美莉卡在二战时
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and comes face-to-face with Hitler,
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面对面遇到希特勒,
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and she knocks him the hell out ...
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她把他打晕了。。。
09:21
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:23
just like Captain America did in 1941,
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就像美国队长在1941年干的那样,
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and who knew we'd need America Chavez to punch Nazis in 2018.
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谁知道我们在2018年 也需要艾美莉卡来打击纳粹。
09:29
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:31
(Applause)
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(掌声)
09:35
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:36
And even that, that justified act kind of wrecks her a little bit,
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甚至那样的的正当行为, 让她有点崩溃,
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so I made sure that she linked up with her best friend,
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所以我确保她和她最好的朋友 有联系,
09:44
and they talk feelings and they go on a road trip
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她们经常聊天,去公路旅行,
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and they sing "Just a Girl" by No Doubt at the top of their lungs.
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她们吼破嗓门地唱着 No Doubt乐队的 “Just a Girl”,
09:51
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:53
And when Midas, a sinister corporation,
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当麦迪斯,一个邪恶的公司
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takes control of Sotomayor,
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控制了索托马约尔大学,
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threatens to ban portals and almost kills America ...
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威胁要禁止传送门并且 差点杀死了艾美莉卡,
10:04
her ancestors reach for her ...
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是她的祖先找到她,
10:08
because they know that she needs to heal.
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因为他们知道她需要他们的治愈。
10:12
And it is that burst of care, that healing, that gives her the fuel
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正是这种关怀,这种治愈 给了她能量
10:16
to defeat Midas and reclaim herself.
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去打败麦迪斯并找回她自己。
10:22
See, because that myth
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瞧,那个必须独自上路,
10:24
of having to go it alone and having to be tough ...
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必须独自坚强的神话
10:29
doesn't serve us.
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并不适合我们。
10:31
America Chavez is a whole superhero,
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艾美莉卡·查韦斯是一个超级英雄,
10:34
and she still needed a team of support to help her find herself.
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但她仍需要一个支持她的团队 来帮助找到自己。
10:40
And she needed that gentleness,
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她需要那份温柔,
10:43
the type of gentleness that is rooted in compassion
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这份温柔,它扎根于同情心之中
10:46
and still very much invested in justice and liberation.
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但也注重正义和自由。
10:53
Because it's in that space where softness and vulnerability meet strength
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因为正是在那个空间, 柔和脆弱遇到了力量,
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that we transcend our everyday selves,
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一起让我们超越了日常自我,
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that we become something greater, something majestic,
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让我们变得更伟大,更崇高,
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maybe even something super.
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甚至成为某种超级英雄。
11:10
Thank you.
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谢谢。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
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