To future generations of women, you are the roots of change | Gloria Steinem

Prevodilac: Emilija Miladinovic Lektor: Ivana Korom

Gloria Steinem: Yes, hello, hello.

Glorija Stajnem: Da, zdravo, zdravo.

Pat Mitchell: Hello, hello.

Pet Mičel: Zdravo, zdravo.

What a thrill to have this opportunity.

Kakvo je uzbuđenje imati ovakvu priliku.

When we ask all of our TED community, many of them,

Kada pitamo sve članove TED zajednice, mnoge od njih,

"Who would you like to hear from if we're going to look forward and onward,

"Koga biste želeli da čujete ako ćemo gledati unapred,

when it comes to women in the world?"

kada su u pitanju žene u svetu?"

Unanimously, the answer was "Gloria Steinem."

Jednoglasno, odgovor je bio "Glorija Stajnem."

Now I know you're way too modest to accept that easily,

Sad, znam da si previše skromna da to prihvatiš olako,

so before we move onward,

pa pre nego što krenemo dalje,

may I go back a bit,

mogu li da se vratim malo unazad,

since we have known each other for a long time,

pošto se znamo dugo,

and talk about those early days when you were building a movement,

da razgovaramo o ranim danima kada si gradila pokret,

challenging stereotypes,

izazivala stereotipe,

moving beyond cultural norms.

prelazila preko kulturnih normi.

You must have had some manifestation of "Fearless" in your life.

Sigurno si imala neku manifestaciju „Neustašivog" u svom životu.

What were your fears and how did you overcome them?

Šta su bili tvoji strahovi i kako si ih prevazišla?

GS: No, I certainly had a lot of fears,

GS: Ne, zasigurno sam imala mnogo strahova,

and chief among them was speaking in public,

i glavni među njima je strah od javnog nastupa,

just like I am now.

baš kao što činim sada.

Because, you know, we choose to express ourselves

Zato što, znaš, mi biramo da se izrazimo

in the way that is most natural,

na način koji je najprirodniji,

and I became a writer because I didn't want to talk.

i tako sam ja postala pisac zato što nisam želela da pričam.

So the first thing I had to overcome was the fear of public speaking,

Prva stvar koju sam morala da savladam bio je strah od javnog nastupa,

and because I was afraid to do it by myself,

i zato što sam se plašila da to uradim sama,

I asked a friend to do it with me --

zamolila sam prijateljicu da uradi to sa mnom -

Dorothy Pitman Hughes, and then Flo Kennedy --

Doroti Pitman Hjuz i zatim Flo Kenedi -

anyway, so we became, in that way, somewhat accidentally,

u svakom slučaju, postale smo na taj način, pomalo slučajno,

one white woman, one Black woman, speaking together, which, you know,

jedna bela žena, jedna crna žena, koje pričaju zajedno, što je, znate,

was very helpful to express that the movement was for everyone.

bilo veoma korisno za izražavanje ideje da je pokret bio za sve.

PM: And in those early days,

PM: I u tim ranim danima,

when you were becoming, not only a really powerful public speaker,

kada si postajala ne samo zaista moćan govornik,

in spite of your fears,

uprkos tvojim strahovima,

you were also normalizing and creating

ti si takođe normalizovala i stvarala

response to a word that became the anthem for so many of us,

odgovor na reč koja je postala himna za toliko nas,

literally changing lives,

bukvalno menjajući živote,

standing in front of crowds and saying,

stojeći pred gomilama i govoreći

"Feminism is for every woman."

„Feminizam je za svaku ženu."

And I see now, as you do, that there are still ways

I sada vidim, kao i ti, da još uvek ima načina

in which feminism is not understood as a concept.

na koje feminizam nije shvaćen kao pojam.

Misunderstood, criticized, sometimes ridiculed.

Neshvaćen, kritikovan, ponekad ismevan.

How do you describe feminism?

Kako opisuješ feminizam?

GS: Well, it's just the radical idea that human beings are all equal

GS: Pa, to je samo radikalna ideja da su sva ljudska bića jednaka

and we can dispense with the labels of gender and class and race

i možemo se odreći etiketa roda, klase i rase

and begin to realize our unique individuality.

i početi da shvatamo naše jedinstvene individualnosti.

Of course feminism was misunderstood in the beginning,

Naravno feminizam je u početku bio pogrešno shvaćen,

as if it were about female superiority

kao da se radi o ženskoj superiornosti

or it was a movement for lesbians only,

ili da je to pokret samo za lezbejke,

not for all women.

ne za sve žene.

I mean, you know, there were all kinds of misunderstandings,

Mislim, znaš, bilo je svakakvih nesporazuma,

not to mention ridicule.

a o podsmehu da ne govorim.

But I hope that that's past.

Nadam se da je to prošlost.

I used to just send people to the dictionary

Nekada bih samo poslala ljude da u rečniku

to look up feminism, very helpful.

pogledaju reč „feminizam", to je od pomoći.

(Both laugh)

(Smeh)

PM: How do you feel the new generation

PM: Kako osećaš da nova generacija

and the next generation of young women --

i sledeća generacija mladih žena -

what is their relationship with the word

kakav je njihov odnos prema toj reči

and the concept of, "there's still a lot to be done

i konceptu „još treba mnogo učiniti

to reach that equal step"?

da se dostigne taj jednaki korak''?

GS: Yeah, well I don't think that --

GS: Da, pa ja ne mislim da -

I mean, the word is still there, womanism, women's liberation,

mislim, reč je još uvek tu, „womanism", oslobođenje žena,

there are all kinds of words,

tu su sve vrste reči,

but I think it's much more about content

ja mislim da se više radi o sadržaju

and not worrying too much about form.

i ne brinjenju previše o formi.

So Black Lives Matter was started by three young Black feminists.

Tako su tri crne feministkinje započele pokret „Crni životi su bitni".

You know, that was their creation

Znaš, to je bila njihova kreacija

that is beginning to change much that needs to be changed.

koja počinje da menja mnogo toga što treba da se promeni.

And they just assumed

I samo su pretpostavili

that of course they were there as three young Black feminists.

da su naravno bile tamo kao tri mlade crne feministkinje.

PM: And in the early days of the women's movement

PM: I u tim ranim danima ženskog pokreta

and continuing all the way through,

i nastavljajući sve do kraja,

one of the ways that we have learned to talk to each other

jedan od načina na koji smo naučili da razgovaramo

about difficult issues in which we may have disagreements,

o teškim pitanjima u kojima možemo imati nesuglasice,

were sort of the talking circles or the consciousness raising,

bili su neka vrsta krugova za razgovor ili podizanje svesti,

but is this something we could do

ali da li je ovo nešto što bismo mogli

to begin to build back the bridges between us?

da počnemo da gradimo mostove između nas?

GS: You know, I regret the emphasis on divisions,

GS: Znaš, žalim zbog naglašavanja podela,

because we are more unified than any other movement in history.

jer smo mi ujedinjeniji od bilo kog drugog pokreta u istoriji.

So I think we ought to celebrate that fact.

Tako da mislim da bi trebalo proslaviti tu činjenicu.

And it comes out of talking circles as you point out,

I to izlazi iz krugova za razgovor, kao što si istakla,

which used to be called consciousness raising groups.

koji je bio nazivan grupe za podizanje svesti.

And it just means that you sit in a circle,

I to znači da ti sediš u tom krugu,

as Native Americans taught us long ago,

kako su nas davno učili Indijanci,

and you each get to speak in turn --

i svako može da govori ma smenu -

Native Americans passed around a talking stick --

Indijanci su dodavali štap za pričanje -

and everybody has to listen while each person --

i svako mora da sluša dok osoba priča -

and in that way, you say unsayable things

i na taj način, govoriš neizrecive stvari

and somebody on the other side of the circle says,

i neko sa druge strane kruga kaže,

"Oh, I've experienced that too."

„Oh, ja sam iskusio isto."

And you discover what is shared

I otkrivate šta imate zajedničko,

and also, you discover how you can help each other.

i takođe otkrivate kako možete pomoći drugima.

There's no substitute for those kinds of talking circles.

Nema zamene za stvari kao što su ovi krugovi.

PM: I want to be the first to volunteer with you, Gloria,

PM: Želim da budem prva koja volontira sa tobom, Glorija,

to start the talking circles and passing the talking sticks again.

za počinjanje krugova razgovora i ponovno kruženje štapa.

One of the surprising things that people who come into your presence

Jedna od stvari stvari za koju se ljudi koji se nađu u tvom prisustvu

are always surprised to find out what a great sense of humor you have.

uvek iznenade da saznaju, je da imaš sjajan smisao za humor.

And one of my favorite books of the many you have written

I jedna od mojih omiljenih knjiga od mnogih koje si napisala

sits by my bedside,

leži pored mog kreveta,

and the title of it -- forgive me those who might not like bad language --

i naslov je - oprostite mi svi koji možda ne volite prost jezik -

the title is "The Truth Will Set You Free, But First It Will Piss You Off!"

naslov je „The Truth Will Set You Free, But First It Will Piss You Off!"

So I'm wondering now what truth is setting you free

Pa se sad pitam koja istina tebe oslobađa,

and what continues to piss you off?

a šta nastavlja da te ljuti?

GS: Well, actually, right at this moment,

GS: Pa, zapravo, u ovom trenutku,

I mean, the truth is COVID --

mislim, istina je kovid -

you know, and we understand that is a universal experience

znaš, mi razumemo da je to univerzalno iskustvo

and danger we're all dealing with,

i opasnost sa kojom se suočavamo svi,

and what pisses me off is that we don't use that experience

a ono što me nervira je da ne iskorišćavamo to iskustvo

in the positive sense.

u pozitivnom smislu.

In the sense that we learn from dangers

U smislu da učimo iz opasnosti

as well as from accomplishments.

kao i od postignuća.

It pisses me off that this is not used in a positive way

Nervira me to što ovo nije korišćeno u pozitivnom smislu

to overcome the idea of categories of human beings

da se prevaziđe ideja kategorija ljudskih bića

or of national boundaries or of countries.

ili nacionalnih granica ili država.

I mean, we're all here on Spaceship Earth.

Mislim, mi smo svi ovde na svemirskom brodu Zemlja.

(Laughs)

(Smeh)

We're all citizens of Spaceship Earth, and COVID knows that,

Svi smo mi građani svemirskog broda Zemlja i kovid to zna,

so it should help to teach us that.

pa bi trebalo da nam pomogne da to naučimo.

PM: And as we're looking at our current reality,

PM: I dok gledamo u našu trenutnu stvarnost,

we've seen yet another great milestone for women,

videli smo još jednu veliku prekretnicu za žene,

in this country for sure,

u ovoj zemlji sigurno,

with the newly elected Vice President Kamala Harris,

sa novoizabranom potpredsednicom Kamalom Haris,

who said in her speech, you know,

koja je rekla u svom govoru, znaš,

"I may be the first, but I won't be the last,"

„Možda sam prva, ali neću biti poslednja",

and I think of the many times that you and I and others have said that.

i setim se mnogih puta kad smo to rekle i ti i ja i druge.

What difference will it make,

Kakva će razlika biti,

in our country and around the world,

u našoj zemlji i širom sveta,

when there are more women in all leadership positions,

kad bude više žena na svim rukovodećnim pozicijama,

what are our differences as leaders?

koje su naše razlike kao lidera?

GS: Well, I mean for one thing,

GS: Pa, mislim za početak,

we will have the advantage of using all of human intelligence

mi ćemo imati prednost korišćenja celokupne ljudske inteligencije

instead of only a small portion of it;

umesto samo njenog malog dela;

this would be a good thing.

to bi bila dobra stvar.

And we will also allow children

A dozvolićemo deci

to see themselves as leaders universally,

da sebe vide kao vođe univerzalno,

instead of just one small group.

umesto jedne male grupe.

Because right now, when kids look at leaders,

Zato što, upravo sad kad deca gledaju u lidere,

they don't necessarily see themselves.

ne vide obavezno i sebe.

PM: When we look at you, we see a leader, Gloria,

PM: Kada gledamo u tebe, mi vidimo lidera, Glorija,

and there are so many things that you could point to with pride,

i ima mnogo stvari na koje možeš da ukažeš sa ponosom,

although I know you don't.

iako znam da to ne radiš.

But what is it that motivates you

Ali šta je to što te motiviše

or keeps you on the path onward in those moments of doubt,

ili te drži na putu dalje u tim trenucima sumnje,

or the times when things look bleak or there are fears,

ili vremenima kada stvari izgledaju sumorno ili postoje strahovi,

or do you ever fear,

ili da li si ikada uplašena,

ever feel those feelings?

da li osećaš ta osećanja?

GS: No, of course I fear, I mean, definitely.

GS: Ne, naravno da se plašim, definitivno.

But as the slogan goes,

Ali kako slogan kaže,

"Follow the fear and do it anyway.

„Prati strah i uradi svakako.

Fear is a sign of growth."

Strah je znak rasta."

(Laughs)

(Smeh)

It's a good thing, right?

To je dobra stvar, je li?

PM: Right.

PM: Jeste.

GS: I'm so inspired by young women,

GS: Tako sam nadahnuta mladim ženama,

I mean, I keep feeling

mislim, i dalje se osećam

as if I just had to wait for some of my friends to be born.

kao da sam morala da čekam da se neki od mojih prijatelja rode.

And to see that this is profoundly

I da vidim da je sve ovo duboko

a global movement, as it always has been.

globalni pokret, kao što je uvek bio.

I mean, you know, even the response to the march right after the inauguration

Mislim, znaš, čak i odgovor na marš odmah posle inauguracije

of the current president, in every --

trenutnog predsednika, u svakom -

Latin America, Africa, you know, were marching together.

latinska Amerika, Afrika, znaš, marširamo zajedno.

It really has become a global movement,

To je zaista postalo globalni pokret,

thanks in large part to technology,

dobrim delom zahvaljujući tehnologiji,

because we can see each other, as we are now,

jer možemo videti jedni druge kao što činimo sada,

and also just to the contagion of the idea of freedom, you know.

i takođe samo na zarazu o ideji slobode, znaš.

If women spend nine months being pregnant and caring for a child,

Ako žene provode devet meseci u trudnoći i brinući za dete,

why isn't it that men are responsible

zašto muškarci nisu odgovorni

for spending that much more than half the time

za provođenje više od pola vremena

taking care of the child, hello?

brinući o deci, zar ne?

(Laughs)

(Smeh)

Logic is in the eye of the logician, right?

Logika je u očima logičara, zar ne?

(Laughs)

(Smeh)

So you know, wherever you look,

Tako da, gde god pogledaš,

there's just a discovery of freedom, of common sense, of companionship.

postoji samo otkriće slobode, zdravog razuma, druženja.

PM: Is there,

PM: Da li,

of all the things in your life,

od svih stvari u tvom životu,

what has been the greatest source of confidence building and inspiration?

šta je bio najveći izvor izgradnje poverenja i inspiracije?

Is it the global sisterhood that you've built around the world?

Da li je to globalno sestrinstvo koje si izgradila širom sveta?

GS: Well, it's just other women.

GS: Pa, to su samo druge žene.

I mean, I would not have been able to ever conquer

Mislim, ja ne bih nikada mogla da pobedim

my fear of public speaking,

moj strah od javnog nastupa,

which is where we started out,

što je odakle smo počele,

if it hadn't been for my fearless friend,

da nije bilo moje neustrašive prijateljice,

Dorothy Pitman Hughes,

Doroti Pitman Hjuz,

you know, for doing it together.

znaš, jer smo to radile zajedno.

So you know, it's learning from each other,

Znaš, to je učenje jednih od drugih,

and just remembering to ask, really,

i samo da se setite da pitate, zaista,

because the help is there,

zato što pomoć postoji,

the inspiration is there,

inspiracija postoji,

the sense of community is there,

osećaj zajednice je tu,

and I hope that technology can help us in this way,

i nadam se da nam tehnologija može pomoći u tom smislu,

especially because for women, that's important,

jer, naročito za žene, je bitno

because we can communicate in safety.

jer možemo komunicirati u sigurnosti.

But I do regret and worry about the COVID emergency,

Ali se kajem i zabrinuta sam zbog krize u vezi sa kovidom,

because we do also need to be together with all five senses

jer mi moramo biti zajedno sa svih pet čula

in order to truly empathize.

kako bi se istinski saosećalo.

So I look forward to the day

Zato se radujem danu

when you and I can once again be in the same room.

kada ti i ja možemo još jednom ponovo biti u istoj sobi.

PM: Well, you and I have been in a lot of the same rooms,

PM: Pa, ti i ja smo bile u mnogo istih soba,

and even when you're not in the same room with women everywhere,

i čak i kad ti nisi u istoj sobi sa ženama svuda,

you have inspired them, Gloria.

ti ih inspirišeš, Glorija.

And to see the full and total story,

I da vidite celu i ukupnu priču,

well, at least part of the full and total story,

pa, bar deo pune i ukupne priče,

the movie has been made about Gloria's life.

napravljen je film o Glorijinom životu.

It's called "The Glorias," based on her book "My Life on the Road,"

Nazvan je "The Glorias," zasnovan na knjizi "My Life on the Road,"

which is certainly the way you've spent your life,

što je svakako način na koji si provela svoj život,

and it's available for livestreaming on Amazon Prime

i dostupan je za stiming uživo na Amazon Prime

and I do highly recommend it.

i preporučujem ga od srca.

Gloria, thank you for your work,

Glorija, hvala ti za tvoj rad,

for your life,

za tvoj život,

for the fearless way in which you have led us all forward,

za neustrašivi način na koji si nas vodila napred,

and one last next step for moving onward from you?

i jedan poslednji korak za kretanje napred, od tebe?

What advice or counsel?

Imaš li savet?

GS: Ah.

GS: Ah.

Just do it.

Samo uradi to.

(Laughs)

(Smeh)

You know, I think we kind of wait for instructions from up there,

Znaš, mislim da nekako čekamo instrukcije od gore

or we worry or something,

ili brinemo ili slično,

and you know, if we just get up in the morning and say,

i znaš, kada bismo samo ustali ujutru i rekli,

"OK, I'm going to do this,

„OK, uradiću to,

and I'm going to get in touch with three or four other people,"

stupiću u kontakt sa tri ili četiri osobe,"

and just think of change as a tree, you know --

i samo mislite na promenu kao drvo, znaš -

it doesn't grow from the top down,

ne raste od vrha nadole,

so we shouldn't be waiting for somebody to tell us what to do.

pa ne bi trebalo da čekamo da nam neko kaže šta da radimo.

It grows from the bottom up,

Raste odozdo prema gore,

and we are the roots of change.

i mi smo koreni promena.

PM: We are bearing the roots of your work, Gloria, with gratitude.

PM: Mi nosimo korene tvog rada, Glorija, sa zahvalnošću.

Thank you very much for joining us for TEDWomen 2020.

Hvala ti na pridruživanju TEDWomen 2020.

GS: No, and thank you for bringing women together,

GS: Ne, hvala tebi za zbližavanje žena,

which is the magic.

što je magija.

Thank you.

Hvala.