JR: Can Art Change the World? | TED

Prevodilac: Milenka Okuka Lektor: Stefan Mitikj

Wow, wow, people.

Alal vera, ljudi.

You know, actually, I love people because my work is about people.

Znate, zapravo, ja volim ljude jer se moja umetnost bavi ljudima.

It's actually about bringing people together.

Zapravo se radi o zbližavanju ljudi.

I'm an artist.

Ja sam umetnik.

I mean, until I found a real job,

Mislim, dok ne nađem pravi posao,

but now it looks like it's getting pretty serious.

ali sada već izgleda da postaje prilično ozbiljno.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

But, you know, I also love walls.

Međutim, znate, volim i zidove.

And I know that walls are supposed to divide us,

I znam da bi zidovi trebalo da nas dele,

but I think I've found a way

ali mislim da sam otkrio način

to use walls to bring us together.

da koristim zidove da nas zbliže.

And I've tried this in different places.

I isprobao sam to na raznim mestima.

This was in Israel, Palestine, 15 years ago,

Ovo se desilo u Izraelu, Palestini, pre 15 godina,

where, with my friend Marco,

gde sam sa prijateljem Markom

I took photos of Israeli and Palestinian doing the same job

fotografisao Izraelce i Palestince koji obavljaju iste poslove

and then pasted them on Israeli city and Palestinian city,

i onda sam ih polepio po izraelskim i palestinskim gradovima,

and people couldn't even recognize who is who.

a ljudi nisu uopšte mogli da prepoznaju ko je ko.

This was in the favelas of Brazil.

Ovo je u brazilskim favelama.

Faces of women on the hills of the community.

Lica žena na brdima lokalnih zajednica.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Often the first target of the violence that is happening there.

Često su prve mete nasilja koje se dešava tamo.

This is a local museum we have in Paris, it's called the Louvre.

Ovo je lokalni muzej kod nas u Parizu, nosi ime Luvr.

I don’t know if you’ve heard about it, but I thought I’d give it a shout out.

Ne znam da li ste čuli za njega, ali mislio sam da mu odam poštu.

And with 400 people and paper and glue,

I sa 400 ljudi, papirom i lepkom od pšeničnog brašna

we wheat-pasted the entire plazas to make the pyramid ten times bigger.

oblepili smo čitav trg kako bi piramida izgledala deset puta viša.

This was at the border between Mexico and US.

Ovo je na granici između Meksika i SAD-a.

Thank you.

Hvala vam.

(Applause and cheers)

(Aplauz i klicanje)

Kikito, the little kid, is one year old,

Kikito, maleni dečak, ima jednu godinu

and he lives in the little house you see on the top left of the image.

i živi u kućici koju vidite gore levo na slici.

I just wonder, at his age, what is his perspective on the wall?

Prosto sam se zapitao, u njegovom uzrastu, kako on vidi zid?

You know, each time I do a project, I wonder: Can art change the world?

Svaki put kad radim na projektu, pitam se: može li umetnost da promeni svet?

And I never really know how a projects starts.

I ja nikad ne znam kako projekat počinje.

Couple years ago, I was making breakfast

Pre nekoliko godina sam spremao doručak

and a friend of mine called me.

i nazvao me je jedan prijatelj.

Friend Saul, he says, "JR, you love walls.

Prijatelj Sol, koji kaže: „Džej-Ar, ti voliš zidove.

Why don't you do a project in prison?"

Zašto ne odradiš projekat u zatvoru?”

I was like, you know, I was just, "Dude, you know, I would do it,

Bio sam u fazonu, prosto: „Druže, znaš, uradio bih to,

but it's too much paperwork administrative, bureaucracy.

ali previše je papirologije, administracije, birokratije.

Plus, I've been arrested 15 times, they don't want me in there."

Uz to, hapšen sam 15 puta, ne žele me tamo.”

And he was like, "I know, bro,

A on je kao: „Znam, brate,

but you love walls so much, what you would do in there.

ali toliko voliš zidove, šta bi uradio tamo.

If you could do it, what could you do?"

Kad bi mogao, šta bi uradio?”

I was like, "OK, you know what?"

Bio sam u fazonu: „U redu, znaš šta?”

I had an idea.

Pala mi je na pamet ideja.

If I wanted to finish my poached eggs

Ukoliko želim da dovršim poširana jaja

and my, you know, French toast before it gets cold,

i moj, znate, francuski tost pre nego se ohladi,

I had to get rid of him.

morao sam da ga se rešim.

So I told him, "You know what, I'll paste the entire prison."

Pa sam mu rekao: „Znaš šta, oblepiću čitav zatvor.”

He was like, "Wow, that's amazing."

On će: „Opa, to je sjajno.”

He hung up the phone,

Spustio je slušalicu,

I thought I'd never hear from him for two decades.

i mislio sam da se nećemo čuti bar dve decenije.

He called his friend Scott, who was like, "What's up?"

Nazvao je prijatelja Skota koji je kao: „Šta ima?”

Saul is like, “I spoke to JR, he’s down to do a project in prison.”

Sol će: „Razgovarao sam sa Džej-Arom, pristao je na zatvorski projekat.”

Scott's like, "That's amazing, let me call the governor."

Skot će kao: „To je sjajno, sad ću da nazovem guvernera.”

Hung up the phone, called the governor.

Spustio je slušalicu, nazvao guvernera.

Governor was like, "Who's this JR?"

Guverner je u fazonu: „Ko je taj Džej-Ar?”

"He does black and white,

„Radi crno-belom tehnikom,

and, you know, he takes photos of people, he records their story ..."

i, znate, fotografiše ljude, snima njihove priče...”

"I'm sorry, I've never heard of it."

„Žao mi je, nikad čuo.”

"Yes, there's very large murals."

„Da, pravi velike murale.”

And the governor was like, "Wait, wait, wait.

A guverner je u fazonu: „Stani, stani, stani.

Before I was the governor, I was in a mural.

Pre nego što sam postao guverner, bio sam na muralu.

There were 1,300 people,

Tu je bilo 1 300 ljudi,

each one of them recorded their story, and I was one of them.

svačija priča je bila snimljena, a ja sam bio jedan od njih.

Is that the same artist?"

Je li to isti umetnik?”

The guy said, "Yes, that's the same artist."

Lik je rekao: „Jeste, to je isti umetnik.”

"Give him full clearance for every prison in the state of California."

„Daj mu puni pristup svakom zatvoru u državi Kaliforniji.”

(Laughter and applause)

(Smeh i aplauz)

Calls me back.

Zove me opet.

Next thing you know, I’m on Google Earth,

I očas posla, eto me na Gugl Zemlji,

and there's 35 prisons.

a ima 35 zatvora.

I'm looking at them and I'm like, well, first of all, I'm a wallpaper man.

Gledam u njih i kao, pre svega, ja sam tapetar.

I cannot paste if I don't have my clear surface.

Ne mogu da lepim ako nemam čistu površinu.

So that doesn't work, that doesn't work, that doesn't work.

Pa to neće ići, to neće ići, to neće ići.

The yard is made of sand and grass.

Dvorište je od peska i trave.

I cannot do it.

Ne mogu ništa.

I know nothing about prisons.

Ne znam ništa o zatvorima.

So then I see this one and I'm like, "Wait, can we zoom in this one?"

Onda ugledam ovaj i kao: „Sačekaj, možemo li da uvećamo ovaj?”

I'm like, "Oh, actually, you know what?

U fazonu sam: „Pa, zapravo, znate šta?

The yard here in the center looks like it's concrete.

Dvorište ovde u centru izgleda kao da je od betona.

I could work on that."

Radio bih na tome.”

"Look, JR, that's a supermax security prison."

„Vidi, Džej-Ar, to je zatvor maksimalne bezbednosti.

It's called Tehachapi,

Naziva se Tehačapi.

it's actually in the top five of the most violent prisons.

Zapravo je u vrhu pet najnasilnijih zatvora.

I was like, "That will do it."

U fazonu sam: „To je to.”

The next day, we flew there.

Sledećeg dana smo odleteli tamo.

We arrived there,

Stigli smo,

and of course, you know, it's not that easy to get there.

i naravno, znate, nije tako lako stići tamo.

It's like fences, electric fences, walls.

Tu su ograde, električne ograde, zidovi.

And you add more walls and more people that check your IDs.

I dodajte još zidova i ljudi koji vam proveravaju dokumenta.

I get all the way to the yard.

Stižem skroz do dvorišta.

And it looked like some army guy with bulletproof jackets and heavily armed

I neki lik nalik vojniku s pancirom i naoružan do zuba

who say, "Alright, this is going to be very simple.

mi je rekao: „U redu, jednostavno je.

There's some people waiting for you in a gymnasium.

Neki ljudi te čekaju u sali.

We gathered some inmates.

Okupili smo neke zatvorenike.

Ne možeš im prići, ne možeš ih dotaći.

You cannot approach them, you cannot touch them.

You can sit at the chair that we designed for you,

Možeš da sediš na stolici koju smo postavili za tebe,

and we're going to surround the area of the gymnasium."

a mi ćemo opkoliti salu.”

That sounds fun.

Zvuči zabavno.

I enter the room,

Ulazim u salu,

and we do this thing in France, I don't know if you have that,

a u Francuskoj imamo običaj, ne znam je li i kod vas tako,

but you shake people's hand, you know?

ali rukujete se s ljudima, znate?

So I started shaking people's hands, "Hello, how are you? My name is JR.

Pa sam počeo da se rukujem: „Zdravo, kako si? Zovem se Džej-Ar.

What's your name?"

Kako se ti zoveš?”

And go around the table, and then I sat.

I napravim krug oko stola i potom sednem.

And I spoke with them.

I razgovarao sam s njima.

A lot of them have been there since they were teenagers,

A mnogi od njih su tamo još od tinejdžerskog uzrasta,

some of them even from the age of 13.

neki od njih od 13. godine.

And I've never seen anything like it.

Nikad nisam video nešto slično.

And so I told them about my art and about the idea.

Pa sam im ispričao o mojoj umetnosti i ideji.

And they asked me a question, they said,

A oni su mi postavili pitanje, rekli su:

"But what is the purpose of your art?"

„Šta je ipak svrha tvoje umetnosti?”

Well, you know, that's a good question.

Znate, to je dobro pitanje.

I don't know if I can answer before, you know, trying a project.

Ne znam mogu li da odgovorim, znate, pre nego isprobam projekat.

So I explained them an idea, and I said, “Wait, before we start anything,

Objasnio sam im zamisao i rekao: „Sačekajte, pre nego što uopšte počnemo,

I just want you to know,

samo želim da znam

if there's anyone here in this room that by being in this project,

da li ima neko u ovoj prostoriji ko bi učestvovanjem u ovom projektu

you might offend some of your victims outside,

možda uvredio neke od vaših žrtava napolju,

I'm not your guy.

nisam taj tip.

I'm going to get too much attention for you.

Dobiću suviše pažnje zbog vas.

If I were you, don't participate in this project."

Da sam na vašem mestu, ne bih učestvovao u ovom projektu.”

Six or seven guys stood up and left the room.

Šest ili sedam momaka je ustalo i napustilo prostoriju.

I was like, "Alright."

Rekao sam: „U redu.”

So we kept on going and I started photographing them.

Pa smo nastavili i počeo sam da ih fotografišem.

Very simple, it's just a small part of the process.

Veoma jednostavno, radi se o sićušnom delu procesa.

I'm not really a photographer.

Nisam uistinu fotograf.

That’s just one part that I use, and I get to meet them and talk with them.

To je prosto jedan deo koji koristim, stignem da ih upoznam i razgovaramo.

And each of them started explaining me their story,

A svako od njih mi je objašnjavao svoju priču,

where they grew up,

gde su odrasli,

where they come from,

odakle potiču,

how many years, some of them spent decades in this prison.

koliko godina, neki od njih su proveli decenije u ovom zatvoru.

And the thing is that, I told them, I said,

A radi se o tome da sam im rekao:

"Look, this photo is nothing.

„Vidite, ova fotografija je ništa.

I need you to go in the next room.

Želim da pođete u susednu prostoriju.

I'm going to leave a mic there.

Ostaviću mikrofon tamo.

And I want you to record your story from the beginning.

I želim da snimite svoju priču otpočetka.

I want to understand,

Želim da razumem,

you have to talk like, if you're throwing a bottle in the ocean,

morate da pričate kao da bacate bocu u okean,

I want to understand where you come from.

želim da razumem odakle potičete.

And then what brought you to make that crime that led you to prison.

A onda šta vas je navelo na zločin koji vas je smestio u zatvor.

And if you changed, explain how you changed and why."

A ako ste se promenili, objasnite kako i zašto ste se promenili.”

They all went, some stayed for 10 minutes,

Svi su otišli, neki su ostali 10 minuta,

some stayed for 20, 30 minutes.

neki su ostali 20, 30 minuta.

Some of them were crying in that place.

Neki su plakali unutra.

Then I went back to my studio and that's what we do.

Potom sam se vratio u studio i to je ono što radimo.

We print strips of paper like a giant puzzle,

Štampamo trake papira poput džinovske slagalice,

so we have to combine it together.

koje kombinujemo zajedno.

It's all just paper and glue.

Sve se svodi na papir i lepak.

And then we combine them by numbers,

A potom ih slažemo po brojevima,

and then we went back there.

pa smo se vratili u zatvor.

And we started bringing everybody in the yard.

Počeli smo da izvodimo svakoga u dvorište.

And we started pasting.

I počeli smo da lepimo.

Everyone from every gang, every race, participated.

Svako, iz svake bande, sve rase, svi su učestvovali.

Now, the thing is,

Sad, radi se o tome

we're still in a supermax security prison.

da smo i dalje u zatvoru maksimalne bezbednosti.

So the guards were like,

Pa su stražari kao:

"Look, we love you with your paper and stuff,

„Vidi, volimo te sa sve papirima i time,

but we’re going to count everything you brought in,

ali prebrojaćemo sve što si uneo

and we’re going to make sure you leave with everything out.

i postaraćemo se da izađeš napolje sa svime.

So every hour we're going to stop this whole project

Stoga ćemo na svakih sat zaustaviti čitav projekat

and make sure there's not one scissors missing,

i postarati se da nijedne makaze ne fale,

one brush, one, you know, bucket, anything."

nijedna četka, nijedna, znate, kofa, ništa.”

So we went through the process,

Pa smo prošli kroz proces,

and I had planned two to three days to paste the whole thing.

a ja sam planirao da za dva do tri dana zalepimo čitavu stvar.

Those guys were so motivated,

Momci su bili toliko motivisani

that in literally two or three hours we had done it.

da smo bukvalno za dva ili tri sata sve završili.

So I said, "Wait, stop, guys,

Rekao sam: „Čekajte, stanite, momci,

they're going to bring you back to your cell, give me a second.

vratiće vas nazad u ćelije, dajte mi sekund.

I'm going to try to get some guards to paste with us."

Pokušaću da nagovorim neke čuvare da lepe sa nama.”

And they were like, look, "We love utopianism and stuff,

A oni će, vidi: „Volimo utopije i to,

but that’s where it stops.”

ali tu je kraj.”

"No, just give me a second."

„Ne, dajte mi sekund.”

So I start going to the guards and I say, "Hey, do you mind participating?"

Pa sam prilazio čuvarima i govorio: „Hej, da li želite da učestvujete?”

Fifty "no," one guy said "yes."

Pedeset „ne”, jedan lik kaže „da”.

I say, "Cool, come with me.

Kažem, „Strava, prođi sa mnom.

They're going to show you."

Pokazaće ti kako.”

And then another guard and another guard.

A zatim, još jedan čuvar, pa još jedan.

And that's where the real walls were falling down,

I tada su stvarni zidovi počeli da padaju

because there's no communication between those guards and the inmates.

jer nema komunikacije između čuvara i zatvorenika.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

And you know what?

I znate šta?

From the floor, it was so big we couldn't see it anyway.

Sa tla, bilo je toliko veliko da ga ionako nismo mogli videti.

You had to send a drone.

Morali ste poslati drona.

So remember, again, you're in a supermax security prison.

Setite se, u zatvoru smo maksimalne bezbednosti.

It's geofencing.

Radi se o geo-ogradi.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

So we send in the drone,

Pa smo poslali drona.

those guys have never seen a drone their whole life,

Ovi momci nikad pre u svom životu nisu videli drona,

they were more excited about the drone than the whole project.

bili su uzbuđeniji zbog drona nego čitavog projekta.

And I was so scared because I was like, "I hope we did the puzzle right.

A ja sam bio preplašen jer: „Nadam se da smo dobro uradili slagalicu.

Because if not, it's going to look a bit ugly from up there."

Ukoliko nismo, izgledaće malčice ružno odozgo.”

And that's what you see from up there.

A ovo vidite odozgo.

(Applause and cheers)

(Aplauz i klicanje)

Thank you.

Hvala vam.

The whole yard, all their faces.

Čitavo dvorište od njihovih lica.

And when you zoom in, actually, you see the picnic table,

A ako zumirate, zapravo ćete videti sto za piknik,

you can still see, it looks like a hole, but it's actually an illusion.

i dalje vidite, izgleda poput rupe, ali je zapravo optička varka.

And you see the guys walking on it.

I vidite momke kako šetaju po njemu.

Now, the craziest part of all of it

Sad, najluđe od svega

is because of that crazy permit that I had,

je da sam zbog te lude dozvole koju sam imao

I literally walked in without being searched.

bukvalno mogao da ušetam a da me ne pretresaju.

I had my phone on me.

Sa sobom sam imao telefon.

So I started filming in there and posting it on social media.

Pa sam počeo da snimam i postavljam na društvene mreže.

So this guy there was showing me his tattoo on day one.

Ovaj lik mi je prvog dana pokazao svoju tetovažu.

And then the evening, he called his family and they said,

A onda je uveče nazvao porodicu i oni su rekli:

"We saw you on JR's Instagram.

„Videli smo te na Džej-Arovom Instagramu.

It's incredible, we see what you guys are doing."

Neverovatno je, vidimo šta vi momci radite.”

He was so proud the next day he said,

Bio je toliko ponosan sutradan i rekao:

"JR, do you mind me showing my diplomas?"

„Džej-Ar, mogu li da pokažem diplome?”

They started realizing the impact of suddenly having a connection

Počeli su da shvataju uticaj iznenadne povezanosti

with the outside.

sa spoljašnošću.

Then this guy showed up.

Onda se pojavio ovaj lik.

His name is Kevin.

Zove se Kevin.

You know, when I saw him, I was like, "Whoa."

Znate, kad sam ga ugledao, bio sam u fazonu: „Heej!”

In my life, I'll never have a second chance to ask a guy, hopefully,

U svom životu nikad neću imati ponovo priliku da pitam lika, nadam se,

why he has a fucking swastika on his face.

zašto ima jebenu svastiku na licu.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

And so I ask him, and he was like, "Oh, this?"

Pa sam ga upitao, a on je u fazonu: „A, ovo?”

Almost like he forgot about it.

Gotovo kao da je smetnuo s uma.

He was like, "I did this as a gang thing when I went in prison.

Kao: „To sam uradio kao nešto za bandu kad sam stigao u zatvor.

But now, if I could, I would remove it."

Sad da mogu, uklonio bih je.”

I was like, "OK, do you mind if I take a photo and I share it?"

Rekao sam: „U redu. Mogu li da te fotografišem i podelim?”

He's like, "Yeah, sure."

On će: „Da, naravno.”

I share that photo.

Podelio sam fotografiju.

Now, as you can imagine, on social media,

Kao što pretpostavljate, na društvenim mrežama,

a lot of people were as shocked and offended as I was.

gomila ljudi je bila šokirana i uvređena kao i ja.

But a lot of people were like, “That’s strange,

Mnogi su bili pak u fazonu: „To je neobično

because that doesn't connect with the beauty in his eyes

jer se ne poklapa sa lepotom u njegovim očima

and the humanity in him."

i čovečnošću u njemu.”

So I went back to him and I said, "Look, Kevin,

Pošao sam ponovo do njega i rekao: „Pazi, Kevine,

there's this thing called social media.

postoji nešto što se zovu društvene mreže.

I know you've been here too long and you don't know about this,

Znam da si predugo tu i ne znaš za to,

but people are writing comments, I'm going to read them to you.

ali ljudi pišu komentare i ja ću ti ih pročitati.

And I think some of them you should answer.

I mislim da na neke treba da odgovoriš.”

So we started talking, and I did many and many videos

Počeli smo da razgovaramo, i napravio sam gomilu i gomilu snimaka

and asking him again and again, and he responded

i pitao ga iznova i iznova, a on je odgovarao

and he went deeper and deeper.

sve podrobnije i podrobnije.

And it started a chain of people who were like,

I pokrenuo je lanac ljudi koji su bili kao:

"Let's get this tattoo out of his face."

„Sklonimo mu tu tetovažu s lica.”

So now before we revealed the image that you saw,

Sad, pre nego što smo otkrili sliku koju ste upravo videli,

I didn't want to throw it to the world like that.

nisam želeo tek tako da je izbacim u svet.

For now, only the inmates and I have seen it.

Zasad, jedino smo je zatvorenici i ja videli.

We started an app where you can actually go in,

Napravili smo aplikaciju gde možete da pođete,

it's totally free,

skroz je besplatna,

and you can go and click on any face and hear their story

i možete da kliknete na bilo koje lice i čujete njihovu priču

for as much as they want.

onoliko koliko vam dozvole.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

I wonder, you know, I've seen it.

Zapitao sam se, znate, video sam.

I saw people telling me that they heard story, and like a podcast.

Video sam ljude kako mi govore da su čuli priču i nekakav podkast.

But I wonder, how would they feel about it?

Pitam se ipak, kako bi se oni osećali zbog toga?

You know, I wanted the feedback from them.

Znate, želeo sam njihov fidbek.

So I got a permit to go back into prison.

Pa sam dobio dozvolu da se vratim u zatvor.

And this time I said, let me work on some more walls, I'll find an idea.

Ovog puta sam rekao, radiću na još nekim zidovima, smisliću ideju.

So I go back in there and I started working on the walls,

Pa sam se vratio unutra i počeo da radim na zidovima,

but it was really, the excuse was like, I need to speak to you guys.

ali zaista se radilo o izgovoru kao moramo da razgovaramo, momci.

So I said, "What happened, guys?"

Rekao sam: „Šta se desilo, momci?”

They were like, "Well, what do you mean, what happened?"

Bili su kao: „Na šta misliš šta se desilo?”

I was like, "I was on the outside, I couldn't speak to you guys.

Rekoh: „Bio sam napolju, nisam mogao da razgovaram s vama.

What was the impact inside?"

Kakav je bio uticaj unutra?”

"Oh, the impact inside is pretty simple.

„Ah, uticaj unutra je prilično prost.

Let me tell you for myself, I mean, my daughter never visited me in 14 years.

Na mom ličnom primeru, mislim, ćerka me nije posetila 14 godina.

And now she sat in her bedroom, and she listened to my audio,

A sada je sedela u svojoj sobi i poslušala moj audio snimak,

and now she sees me every week.”

i sada me posećuje svake sedmice.”

He says, "You can ask whoever you want of those guys here,

Rekao je: „Pitaj koga hoćeš od ovih momaka ovde,

and they'll tell you the same story."

i ispričaće ti istu priču”

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

And he told me another thing happened.

Rekao mi je da se još nešto desilo.

"Is that the guards started listening to our stories.

„Čuvari su počeli da slušaju naše priče.

They treat us differently now."

Sada nas drugačije tretiraju.”

Then we started seeing the walls falling down.

Potom smo počeli da gledamo kako se zidovi ruše.

So I left a little souvenir in the courtyard.

Te sam ostavio maleni suvenir u dvorištu.

I was like, "Let me make one more wall disappear before I go."

Kao: „Hajde da još jedan zid nestane pre nego što odem.”

So we pasted the mountains from behind the wall on the wall.

Pa smo zalepili planine iza zida na zid.

And it's still there, actually.

I dalje su tamo, zapravo.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

This one is still in level four, which is the supermax security prison.

I dalje je na četvrtom nivou, a to je zatvor maksimalne bezbednosti.

And they told me in winter it becomes all snowy.

A rekli su mi da je tokom zime snežno.

And so you actually don't tell the difference

Pa se zapravo i ne vidi razlika

between the reality and the wall.

između stvarnosti i zida.

Now, Kevin was still in prison,

Sad, Kevin je i dalje bio u zatvoru,

so I visited him again.

i ja sam ga ponovo posetio.

And something had changed in him.

A nešto se promenilo u njemu.

He was already helping others,

Već je pomagao drugima

and, you know, you could tell that he almost had forgotten about his tattoo,

i, znate, bilo vam je jasno da je skoro zaboravio na tetovažu,

even if it was still there,

iako je i dalje bila tu,

because you cannot remove tattoos in prison.

jer ne možete da uklanjate tetovaže u zatvoru.

So I bought him a book,

Pa sam mu doneo knjigu

and I told him, "Look, there's a swastika on the cover,

i rekao: „Vidi, svastika je na korici,

pomislio sam da će ti se svideti.”

I thought you would like it."

And he laughed.

A on se nasmejao.

But I said, "No, seriously, this is our friend,

Rekao sam: „Ne, ozbiljno, naš prijatelj

Art Spiegelman, who wrote it,

Art Špigelman ju je napisao

and he told the story about his family in the Holocaust."

i ispripovedao je o svojoj porodici u Holokaustu.”

And so that night he went and read the book.

Te noći je pročitao knjigu.

And he was really moved.

I bio je istinski dirnut.

He called his mom and he said,

Nazvao je majku i rekao:

"Mom, those French people brought me this book that talks about the Holocaust."

„Mama, oni Francuzi su mi doneli knjigu koja pripoveda o Holokaustu.”

And she said, "But you stupid moron.

A ona je rekla: „Moronu jedan.

Your family was from Poland.

Porodica ti je iz Poljske.

They were hiding Jews.

Skrivali su Jevreje.

They died in Auschwitz because of protecting them.

Umrli su u Aušvicu jer su ih štitili.

And you go in prison and do this on your face?"

A ti odeš u zatvor i napraviš to na licu?”

He was in shock.

Bio je u šoku.

Couple years later, which is a couple months ago,

Nekoliko godina kasnije, a to je bilo pre nekoliko meseci,

he came out.

izašao je napolje.

Like many others from the project,

Poput mnogih drugih iz projekta,

almost all of them got moved to a lower-security prison,

gotovo svi su prebačeni u zatvor niže sigurnosti,

and one third of them got freed because of having good grades

a trećina je oslobođena zbog dobrih ocena

and notes by the guards after the project.

i izveštaja čuvara nakon projekta.

So Kevin went out, and the first thing he did

Dakle, Kevin je izašao, i prvo što je učinio

was to go up that hill that he looked at for 17 years,

je da se popeo na to brdo koje je posmatrao 17 godina

to look down at the prison that he was staying in.

kako bi osmotrio zatvor u kom je bio.

And then the second thing, as I promised him,

A onda druga stvar, kao što sam mu i obećao,

I took him to a doctor to remove his tattoo.

poveo sam ga kod doktora da mu uklone tetovažu.

And the session started with the laser, and it's very painful.

Seansa je započeta laserom, a to je veoma bolno.

And at the end of it, the doctor removed the laser and she told him,

I na kraju seanse, doktorka je odložila laser i rekla mu:

"Well, who's better than a Jewish doctor to remove your swastika?"

„Ko bi ti bolje uklonio svastiku od jevrejskog doktora?”

(Laughter and applause)

(Smeh i aplauz)

And that's him now.

A to je on sada.

(Applause and cheers)

(Aplauz i klicanje)

You know, we really tried to bring him here.

Znate, stvarno smo pokušali da ga dovedemo ovde.

But his parole officer, who is actually really nice,

No njegov referent za uslovnu, koji je zapravo skroz fin,

he said "JR, you're pushing too much.

rekao je: „Džej-Ar, previše navaljuješ.

He's not going to Canada.

Ne ide u Kanadu.

Sorry about this.”

Žao mi je zbog toga.”

But he knows I'm here talking about it.

On pak zna da sam ovde i da govorim o ovome.

You know, I want to use art as a bridge

Znate, želim da koristim umetnost kao most

to make people talk to each other.

kako bi ljudi međusobno razgovarali.

I'm not an activist, I'm just an artist.

Nisam aktivista, samo sam umetnik.

I don't try to tell people what to think.

Ne pokušavam da kažem ljudima šta da misle.

I just try to make them think.

Prosto pokušavam da ih navedem da misle.

And I really see art,

I ja zaista vidim umetnost,

to me, it's like, it's in the process.

za mene, nekako je u procesu.

That's what's important.

To je važno.

And after this whole project, after everything I showed you,

I nakon ovog čitavog projekta, nakon svega što sam vam pokazao,

what shook them, what struck them the most,

ono što ih je potreslo, što ih je najviše zateklo

is that I shook their hand.

je što sam se rukovao s njima.

So at the end, they even asked me for a hug.

Pa su me na kraju čak i zamolili za zagrljaj.

Now I remember their first question, which was:

Sećam se njihovog prvog pitanja koje je glasilo:

What is the purpose of your art?

šta je svrha tvoje umetnosti?

Well, art can change things, but can it change the world?

Pa, umetnost može da promeni stvari, ali može li da promeni svet?

Or can it change a man?

Ili može li da promeni čoveka?

Before you answer that question,

Pre nego što odgovorite na to pitanje,

think, at some point in your life, have you changed?

setite se, u nekom trenutku u životu, jeste li se promenili?

And if yes, if you did,

A ako se jeste promenili,

why can't they?

zašto ne bi mogli i oni?

Thank you.

Hvala vam.

(Applause and cheers)

(Aplauz i ovacije)

Helen Walters: That's amazing, you're amazing.

Helen Volters: To je sjajno, ti si sjajan.

You also just got back from Ukraine,

Takođe si se upravo vratio iz Ukrajine

and I wanted to show us just another piece of your work.

i želela sam da nam pokažem još jedno tvoje delo.

JR: Oh yeah, that was in Ukraine.

Džej-Ar: O, da, to je u Ukraijini.

The biggest city in the west side of Ukraine is called Lviv.

Najveći grad na zapadu Ukrajine se zove Lavov.

And a friend of mine took that photo at the border,

A moj prijatelj je napravio tu fotografiju na granici,

he sent it to me, I printed it 150 feet long.

poslao mi je, i ja sam je odštampao u veličini od oko 46 metara.

We rolled it as a tarp, walked through the border with it.

Smotali smo je kao ceradu, prešli preko granice s njom.

It's actually easy to go that way, you know, to enter Ukraine.

Zapravo je lako na taj način, znate, ući u Ukrajinu.

So they were like, "Oh, you're going to go this way? Sure."

U fazonu su: „O, želiš ići ovim putem? Slobodno.”

And then we drove to, you know, I met some people on Instagram,

I odvezli smo se, znate, upoznao sam neke ljude na Instagramu

and they came and picked me up in their car.

i oni su došli i pokupili me kolima.

And then we gathered hundreds of people.

A onda smo okupili na stotine ljudi.

We wanted to show Putin's planes who they were shooting out.

Želeli smo da pokažemo Putinovim avionima na koga pucaju.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

That little girl is actually safe.

Ta devojčica je zapravo bezbedna.

When she got photographed, she was coming out of the country.

Kada je fotografisana, izlazila je iz države.

So she’s now in Warsaw, and she’s OK.

Dakle, sad je u Varšavi i dobro je.

And since then, actually,

A otad, zapravo,

we're moving this image all around Europe.

prenosimo ovu sliku širom Evrope.

So while TED was happening in the last four days,

Za vreme trajanja TED-a, u protekla četiri dana,

the image was in Berlin, Dusseldorf, Venice this morning.

slika je bila u Berlinu, Dizeldorfu, jutros u Veneciji.

And then it will keep traveling and each time, each place,

A potom će nastaviti da putuje i svaki put, na svakom mestu,

people are gathering by themselves and opening it up.

ljudi se spontano okupljaju i razvijaju je.

HW: That is amazing, JR, thank you.

HV: To je sjajno, Džej-Ar, hvala ti.

JR: Thank you.

Džej-Ar: Hvala vama.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)