JR: Can Art Change the World? | TED

譯者: Li-Yu Melanie Liu 審譯者: Shelley Tsang 曾雯海

Wow, wow, people.

哇，哇，好多人。

You know, actually, I love people because my work is about people.

你知道嗎？其實我很喜歡人群， 因為我的工作跟人有關。

It's actually about bringing people together.

實際上，我的工作使人團結。

I'm an artist.

我是一名藝術家。

I mean, until I found a real job,

這是指在我找到一份真正的工作之前，

but now it looks like it's getting pretty serious.

但現在看來，藝術確實成為了我的工作。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

But, you know, I also love walls.

但是，你知道我也很喜歡牆壁，

And I know that walls are supposed to divide us,

且我清楚牆壁的意義在於將我們分隔開來。

but I think I've found a way

但是，我想我找到了一個通過運用牆壁

to use walls to bring us together.

使大家聚在一起的方法。

And I've tried this in different places.

我還在許多地方試驗過。

This was in Israel, Palestine, 15 years ago,

這是15年前的以色列與巴勒斯坦。

where, with my friend Marco,

在我朋友Marco的陪伴下，

I took photos of Israeli and Palestinian doing the same job

我以相同的方式拍下以色列人與巴勒斯坦人，

and then pasted them on Israeli city and Palestinian city,

再將這些照片貼在以色列及巴勒斯坦的城市中，

and people couldn't even recognize who is who.

而人們甚至無法認出誰是誰。

This was in the favelas of Brazil.

這是在巴西的貧民區，

Faces of women on the hills of the community.

在這個社區的山丘上是女性們的臉。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Often the first target of the violence that is happening there.

在這，女性經常是暴力行為發生時的第一目標。

This is a local museum we have in Paris, it's called the Louvre.

這是在巴黎當地的博物館--羅浮宮。

I don’t know if you’ve heard about it, but I thought I’d give it a shout out.

我不知道你是否曾聽說過它，但我想向它致敬。

And with 400 people and paper and glue,

在動用了400個人、紙張和膠水之後，

we wheat-pasted the entire plazas to make the pyramid ten times bigger.

我們用糨糊粘貼了整個廣場， 將那座金字塔放大了十倍。

This was at the border between Mexico and US.

這是美國與墨西哥的邊界。

Thank you.

謝謝。

(Applause and cheers)

（掌聲與歡呼聲）

Kikito, the little kid, is one year old,

這個一歲的小孩叫Kikito，

and he lives in the little house you see on the top left of the image.

他住在圖片左上角的那間小房子裡。

I just wonder, at his age, what is his perspective on the wall?

我只是好奇，在他這個年紀，

他對邊境牆的看法是什麼。

You know, each time I do a project, I wonder: Can art change the world?

每當我著手一個項目時，我總想知道

藝術是否可以改變世界？

And I never really know how a projects starts.

且我永遠不清楚一個項目是如何開始的。

Couple years ago, I was making breakfast

幾年前，在我做早餐時

and a friend of mine called me.

我的一位朋友打給我。

Friend Saul, he says, "JR, you love walls.

名叫Saul的朋友說：「JR，既然你熱愛牆壁，

Why don't you do a project in prison?"

你何不在監獄中做個企劃呢？」

I was like, you know, I was just, "Dude, you know, I would do it,

當時我就回他：「老兄，你知道我願意做的，

but it's too much paperwork administrative, bureaucracy.

但那要太多行政文書工作跟繁文縟節。

Plus, I've been arrested 15 times, they don't want me in there."

再者，我被逮捕過15次，他們不想我去那裡。」

And he was like, "I know, bro,

他就說：「兄弟，我懂，

but you love walls so much, what you would do in there.

但你如此熱愛牆壁，你在那裡面會做些什麼。

If you could do it, what could you do?"

如果你能去做，你會做什麼？」

I was like, "OK, you know what?"

我說：「好，你知道嗎？」

I had an idea.

我有個點子。

If I wanted to finish my poached eggs

如果我想要在我的水煮蛋

and my, you know, French toast before it gets cold,

與法式吐司變冷前吃完它們，

I had to get rid of him.

我需要擺脫他。

So I told him, "You know what, I'll paste the entire prison."

所以我告訴他：「你知道嗎，我會貼滿整座監獄。」

He was like, "Wow, that's amazing."

他說：「哇，太好了。」

He hung up the phone,

他將電話掛斷，

I thought I'd never hear from him for two decades.

我以為我在二十年內都不用再聽他講話。

He called his friend Scott, who was like, "What's up?"

他打給了他的朋友Scott，

Scott說：「怎麼啦？」

Saul is like, “I spoke to JR, he’s down to do a project in prison.”

Saul說：「我跟JR談過了，他願意做監獄裡的 那個企劃。」

Scott's like, "That's amazing, let me call the governor."

Scott說：「那太好了，讓我打給州長。」

Hung up the phone, called the governor.

電話掛斷，打給州長。

Governor was like, "Who's this JR?"

州長說：「JR是誰？」

"He does black and white,

「他是黑白攝影師，

and, you know, he takes photos of people, he records their story ..."

他還拍人像來記錄他們的故事......」

"I'm sorry, I've never heard of it."

「我很抱歉，我從未聽說過他。」

"Yes, there's very large murals."

「對了，還有巨大的壁畫。」

And the governor was like, "Wait, wait, wait.

然後州長回：「等等，等等，等等，

Before I was the governor, I was in a mural.

在我成為州長前，我就在一幅壁畫中。

There were 1,300 people,

那時大約有1300個人，

each one of them recorded their story, and I was one of them.

每個人的故事都被記錄下來了， 我就是其中之一。

Is that the same artist?"

是同一位藝術家嗎？」

The guy said, "Yes, that's the same artist."

那人說：「沒錯，就是他。」

"Give him full clearance for every prison in the state of California."

「給他在加州每所監獄的完全許可。」

(Laughter and applause)

（笑聲與掌聲）

Calls me back.

我收到了回電。

Next thing you know, I’m on Google Earth,

接下來，我瀏覽了谷歌地球，

and there's 35 prisons.

且看到了35座監獄。

I'm looking at them and I'm like, well, first of all, I'm a wallpaper man.

我看著它們並想，首先， 我是個貼牆紙的人。

I cannot paste if I don't have my clear surface.

如果表面不乾淨我貼不上去。

So that doesn't work, that doesn't work, that doesn't work.

所以那不行，這不行，這個也不行。

The yard is made of sand and grass.

這些院子是沙子和草組成的，

I cannot do it.

我做不到。

I know nothing about prisons.

我對監獄一無所知。

So then I see this one and I'm like, "Wait, can we zoom in this one?"

所以在我看見這個後，我說： 「等下，可以放大這個嗎？」

I'm like, "Oh, actually, you know what?

我說：「喔，其實你知道嗎？

The yard here in the center looks like it's concrete.

這中間的院子看起來像是水泥。

I could work on that."

我可以用這個做。」

"Look, JR, that's a supermax security prison."

「聽著，JR，那是超高度安全級別監獄。」

It's called Tehachapi,

它叫做Tehachapi，

it's actually in the top five of the most violent prisons.

名列最暴力監獄的前五名中

I was like, "That will do it."

我說：「這裡能做到。」

The next day, we flew there.

隔天，我們飛到那裡。

We arrived there,

我們抵達那裡，

and of course, you know, it's not that easy to get there.

且當然你也知道，去那邊並不容易。

It's like fences, electric fences, walls.

那兒有柵欄、電網、牆壁。

And you add more walls and more people that check your IDs.

且越往裡走，越多人要檢查你的證件。

I get all the way to the yard.

我一路走到了院子裡。

And it looked like some army guy with bulletproof jackets and heavily armed

有個穿著防彈衣、全副武裝的軍人說：

who say, "Alright, this is going to be very simple.

「好了，接下來很簡單，

There's some people waiting for you in a gymnasium.

會有人在體育館裡等你們。

We gathered some inmates.

我們召集了一些囚犯。

You cannot approach them, you cannot touch them.

你們不能靠近他們，不能觸碰他們。

You can sit at the chair that we designed for you,

你可以坐在我們為你們設計的椅子上，

and we're going to surround the area of the gymnasium."

且我們將會包圍體育館周邊區域。」

That sounds fun.

聽起來真好玩。

I enter the room,

我進到房間裡，

and we do this thing in France, I don't know if you have that,

我不知道你們會不會，但我們在法國會這麼做，

but you shake people's hand, you know?

我們會跟他人握手。

So I started shaking people's hands, "Hello, how are you? My name is JR.

所以我開始跟大家握手： 「你好嗎？我叫做JR。你呢？」

What's your name?"

And go around the table, and then I sat.

我在繞了一圈後坐下，

And I spoke with them.

並與他們談話。

A lot of them have been there since they were teenagers,

他們之中許多人在還是個青少年時就在那了，

some of them even from the age of 13.

有些人甚至13歲那年就進去了。

And I've never seen anything like it.

我從沒見過這樣的事情。

And so I told them about my art and about the idea.

所以我與他們分享我的藝術及想法。

And they asked me a question, they said,

他們問了我這樣一個問題：

"But what is the purpose of your art?"

「但你藝術的意義是什麼？」

Well, you know, that's a good question.

其實，那是個很好的問題。

I don't know if I can answer before, you know, trying a project.

我不確定在一個項目開始前我是否能回答。

So I explained them an idea, and I said, “Wait, before we start anything,

所以我向他們解釋了一個想法，我說：

「等等，在我們開始任何東西之前，

I just want you to know,

我只想讓你們知道，

if there's anyone here in this room that by being in this project,

如果在這個房間裡的任何一個人， 會因為參與這個企劃，

you might offend some of your victims outside,

而冒犯你在外面的受害者，

I'm not your guy.

我不是來祝你一臂之力的。

I'm going to get too much attention for you.

我將為你帶來太多的關注。

If I were you, don't participate in this project."

如果我是你，別參與這個企劃。」

Six or seven guys stood up and left the room.

有六、七個人站起來並離開了房間。

I was like, "Alright."

我說：「好的。」

So we kept on going and I started photographing them.

所以我們繼續進行，且我開始為他們照相。

Very simple, it's just a small part of the process.

很簡單，照相只是整個過程的一小部分。

I'm not really a photographer.

我並不是一個真正的攝影師。

That’s just one part that I use, and I get to meet them and talk with them.

攝影只是我用到的一部分， 使我能夠認識他們並與他們談話。

And each of them started explaining me their story,

每個人開始向我傾訴他們的故事、

where they grew up,

他們成長的地方、

where they come from,

他們的家鄉和

how many years, some of them spent decades in this prison.

服刑時長，有些人在監獄裡待了十幾年。

And the thing is that, I told them, I said,

而事情是這樣的，我告訴他們：

"Look, this photo is nothing.

「聽著，這張照片什麼也不是。

I need you to go in the next room.

我需要你去下一間房間，

I'm going to leave a mic there.

我會在裡面放一個麥克風，

And I want you to record your story from the beginning.

並且我想要你把你的故事從頭到尾錄下來。

I want to understand,

我想要了解，

you have to talk like, if you're throwing a bottle in the ocean,

你要用朝海裡扔漂流瓶的語氣去敘述。

I want to understand where you come from.

我想知道你來自何方，

And then what brought you to make that crime that led you to prison.

以及什麼促使你犯罪而進監獄。

And if you changed, explain how you changed and why."

如果你改過自新了，說明你如何且為何改變。」

They all went, some stayed for 10 minutes,

他們都去了下個房間，有人待了十分鐘，

some stayed for 20, 30 minutes.

有人待了二、三十分鐘，

Some of them were crying in that place.

有些人在房間裡哭了。

Then I went back to my studio and that's what we do.

之後我回到了工作室，這就是我們做的。

We print strips of paper like a giant puzzle,

我們把紙條打印成巨型拼圖，

so we have to combine it together.

所以我們要把它們拼在一起。

It's all just paper and glue.

全都只是紙和膠水。

And then we combine them by numbers,

我們將它們一一拼在一起後，

and then we went back there.

回到了那邊。

And we started bringing everybody in the yard.

之後我們把大家都聚集在院子裡，

And we started pasting.

並開始粘貼。

Everyone from every gang, every race, participated.

來自各個幫派、各個種族的人都參與了。

Now, the thing is,

現在的問題是，

we're still in a supermax security prison.

我們仍身處一座超高度安全級別監獄。

So the guards were like,

所以獄警們說：

"Look, we love you with your paper and stuff,

「聽著，我們喜歡你的紙和作品，

but we’re going to count everything you brought in,

但我們會清點你帶進來的所有東西，

and we’re going to make sure you leave with everything out.

並確保你帶著所有東西離開。

So every hour we're going to stop this whole project

所以每個小時我們都會暫停整個企劃，

and make sure there's not one scissors missing,

來確保沒有弄丟任何一把剪刀、一把刷子、

one brush, one, you know, bucket, anything."

一個桶子，你懂的，任何東西。」

So we went through the process,

所以我們經歷了這個過程，

and I had planned two to three days to paste the whole thing.

且我計畫用兩到三天貼完整個作品。

Those guys were so motivated,

那些人是如此的積極，

that in literally two or three hours we had done it.

讓我們在兩、三個小時內就完成了。

So I said, "Wait, stop, guys,

所以我說：「等等，停下。各位，

they're going to bring you back to your cell, give me a second.

他們將把你們帶回牢房裡，等我一下。

I'm going to try to get some guards to paste with us."

我去試著讓一些警衛跟我們一起貼。」

And they were like, look, "We love utopianism and stuff,

他們說：「聽著，我們喜歡烏托邦主義之類的，

but that’s where it stops.”

但該結束了。」

"No, just give me a second."

「不，等我一下就好。」

So I start going to the guards and I say, "Hey, do you mind participating?"

所以我走向警衛並對他們說： 「嘿，你們願意加入我們嗎？」

Fifty "no," one guy said "yes."

五十個人拒絕了我，一個人同意了。

I say, "Cool, come with me.

我說：「很好，跟我來，

They're going to show you."

他們會教你。」

And then another guard and another guard.

接著警衛們一個接一個加入。

And that's where the real walls were falling down,

那才是真正牆倒眾人推的時候，

because there's no communication between those guards and the inmates.

因為那些警衛與囚犯根本未曾交流過。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

And you know what?

然後你知道嗎？

From the floor, it was so big we couldn't see it anyway.

因為站在地上圖片太大了，我們根本看不見，

You had to send a drone.

所以必須要用無人機。

So remember, again, you're in a supermax security prison.

再次提醒，我們身處一座超高度安全級別監獄，

It's geofencing.

它受地理圍欄防護。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So we send in the drone,

我們啟動了無人機，

those guys have never seen a drone their whole life,

那些囚犯這輩子還沒看過無人機，

they were more excited about the drone than the whole project.

比起整個企劃，他們更為無人機而興奮。

And I was so scared because I was like, "I hope we did the puzzle right.

當時我很害怕，並想著：「希望我們拼對了。

Because if not, it's going to look a bit ugly from up there."

因為如果沒有，從上往下看會有點難看。」

And that's what you see from up there.

然後這就是用無人機看到的樣子。

(Applause and cheers)

（掌聲與歡呼聲）

Thank you.

謝謝。

The whole yard, all their faces.

整個院子都是他們的臉。

And when you zoom in, actually, you see the picnic table,

且當你放大，其實你可以看見那張野餐桌。

you can still see, it looks like a hole, but it's actually an illusion.

如你所見，這看起來像是個洞， 但其實只是錯覺。

And you see the guys walking on it.

你還能看見人在上面走。

Now, the craziest part of all of it

那麼現在，最瘋狂的部分

is because of that crazy permit that I had,

是因為我拿到那瘋狂的許可，

I literally walked in without being searched.

我才能沒有被檢查的帶著 我的手機走進來。

I had my phone on me.

So I started filming in there and posting it on social media.

所以我開始在裡面錄影並發到社群媒體上。

So this guy there was showing me his tattoo on day one.

這個男人在第一天的時候給我看了他的刺青，

And then the evening, he called his family and they said,

他晚上打給家人時聽他們說：

"We saw you on JR's Instagram.

「我們在JR的Instagram上看見你了。

It's incredible, we see what you guys are doing."

簡直不可置信，我們看見你們在做什麼了。」

He was so proud the next day he said,

他非常驕傲且隔天他說：

"JR, do you mind me showing my diplomas?"

「JR，你介意我展示我的證書嗎？」

They started realizing the impact of suddenly having a connection

他們開始意識到突然與外界有聯繫的影響。

with the outside.

Then this guy showed up.

然後這個人出現了。

His name is Kevin.

他的名字叫Kevin。

You know, when I saw him, I was like, "Whoa."

你知道，當我看見他時我在想：「哇。」

In my life, I'll never have a second chance to ask a guy, hopefully,

在我的人生中，希望我不會再有第二次機會問一個人

why he has a fucking swastika on his face.

為何他臉上有個該死的納粹黨徽。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

And so I ask him, and he was like, "Oh, this?"

所以我問了他，他說：「喔，這個？」

Almost like he forgot about it.

幾乎像是他忘了一樣。

He was like, "I did this as a gang thing when I went in prison.

他說：「我在進監獄的時候為了幫派弄了這個。

But now, if I could, I would remove it."

但現在如果可以，我會弄掉它。」

I was like, "OK, do you mind if I take a photo and I share it?"

我說：「好，你介意我拍個照後分享出去嗎？」

He's like, "Yeah, sure."

他說：「好，你拍吧。」

I share that photo.

我分享了那張照片。

Now, as you can imagine, on social media,

現在，如你所想，在社交媒體上

a lot of people were as shocked and offended as I was.

很多人如我一般震驚且憤怒。

But a lot of people were like, “That’s strange,

但很多人說：「這很奇怪，

because that doesn't connect with the beauty in his eyes

因為那個符號與他眼裡的美，

and the humanity in him."

以及他的人性毫無關係。」

So I went back to him and I said, "Look, Kevin,

所以我回去問他：「聽著Kevin，

there's this thing called social media.

有個叫做社群媒體的東西。

I know you've been here too long and you don't know about this,

我知道你在這裡面太久，不曉得這是什麼，

but people are writing comments, I'm going to read them to you.

但人們會在上面留言，我讀給你聽。

And I think some of them you should answer.

我覺得你該回覆一些留言。」

So we started talking, and I did many and many videos

所以我們開始談話，我錄了很多影片，

and asking him again and again, and he responded

並問了他很多問題，他回答了，

and he went deeper and deeper.

並回答地越來越深入。

And it started a chain of people who were like,

之後開始有一連串的人說：

"Let's get this tattoo out of his face."

「我們來把他臉上的刺青弄掉。」

So now before we revealed the image that you saw,

現在我給你們看了先前那個照片，

I didn't want to throw it to the world like that.

我不想就這樣向世界介紹他們。

For now, only the inmates and I have seen it.

目前只有我與囚犯們看過。

We started an app where you can actually go in,

我們創建了一個應用程式，你可以點進去。

it's totally free,

它完全免費，

and you can go and click on any face and hear their story

然後你可以點擊任何一張臉，聽聽他們的故事，

for as much as they want.

想聽多少就聽多少。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

I wonder, you know, I've seen it.

我好奇， 你知道，我曾見過。

I saw people telling me that they heard story, and like a podcast.

我見過一些人告訴我他們用聽Podcast的方式 去聽別人的故事。

But I wonder, how would they feel about it?

但我好奇他們有什麼感想？

You know, I wanted the feedback from them.

我想要得到他們的反饋，

So I got a permit to go back into prison.

所以我得到了讓我再次進入監獄的許可。

And this time I said, let me work on some more walls, I'll find an idea.

這一次我說：「再讓我用一些牆，我會有主意的。」

So I go back in there and I started working on the walls,

所以我回到那裡面，並開始使用那些牆壁。

but it was really, the excuse was like, I need to speak to you guys.

但其實這真的只是讓我與他們談談的藉口。

So I said, "What happened, guys?"

所以我說：「各位，怎麼了？」

They were like, "Well, what do you mean, what happened?"

他們回道：「什麼怎麼了？」

I was like, "I was on the outside, I couldn't speak to you guys.

我說：「我一直在外面，沒有辦法跟你們講話。

What was the impact inside?"

對裏面有什麼影響嗎？」

"Oh, the impact inside is pretty simple.

「喔，裡面的影響很簡單。

Let me tell you for myself, I mean, my daughter never visited me in 14 years.

讓我親自告訴你吧，我女兒十四年來從未拜訪過我。

And now she sat in her bedroom, and she listened to my audio,

而現在她會坐在她的房間裡，聽著我的錄音。

and now she sees me every week.”

現在她每個禮拜都會來拜訪我。」

He says, "You can ask whoever you want of those guys here,

他說：「你可以問在這裡任何一個你想問的人，

and they'll tell you the same story."

他們會告訴你相同的故事。」

(Applause)

（掌聲）

And he told me another thing happened.

然後他告訴了我另一件事：

"Is that the guards started listening to our stories.

「警衛們開始聽我們的故事。

They treat us differently now."

他們現在對我們態度不同了。」

Then we started seeing the walls falling down.

我們開始注意到牆間的瓦解，。

So I left a little souvenir in the courtyard.

所以我在院子裡留了一個小小的紀念品。

I was like, "Let me make one more wall disappear before I go."

我說：「讓我在走之前再讓一面牆消失。」

So we pasted the mountains from behind the wall on the wall.

所以我們把牆後那座山貼到了牆上。

And it's still there, actually.

其實，它現在仍在那裡。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

This one is still in level four, which is the supermax security prison.

這個仍然在那超高度安全級別監獄的四樓。

And they told me in winter it becomes all snowy.

他們告訴我當冬天下雪時，

And so you actually don't tell the difference

你根本無法區分現實與那座牆。

between the reality and the wall.

Now, Kevin was still in prison,

目前，Kevin仍在獄中，

so I visited him again.

所以我再一次拜訪了他。

And something had changed in him.

他身上的一些東西發生了變化。

He was already helping others,

他已經在幫助他人了，

and, you know, you could tell that he almost had forgotten about his tattoo,

並且你可以看出他幾乎忘記了他的刺青，

even if it was still there,

儘管刺青仍在那裡，

because you cannot remove tattoos in prison.

因為在監獄裡你無法洗去刺青。

So I bought him a book,

所以我給他買了一本書，

and I told him, "Look, there's a swastika on the cover,

我告訴他：「看，這本書封面有個納粹黨徽，

I thought you would like it."

我感覺你會喜歡。」

And he laughed.

然後他笑了。

But I said, "No, seriously, this is our friend,

但我說：「不，我是認真的，這是我們的朋友

Art Spiegelman, who wrote it,

阿爾玆·施皮格爾曼寫的。

and he told the story about his family in the Holocaust."

他講述了在納粹大屠殺裡他的家庭的故事。」

And so that night he went and read the book.

那天晚上他回去讀了這本書，

And he was really moved.

他真的很感動。

He called his mom and he said,

他打電話給他的母親說：

"Mom, those French people brought me this book that talks about the Holocaust."

「媽媽，那些法國人給我帶了一本 關於納粹大屠殺的書。」

And she said, "But you stupid moron.

然後她說：「你這個傻瓜。

Your family was from Poland.

你的家人來自於波蘭。

They were hiding Jews.

波蘭人幫助藏匿猶太人，

They died in Auschwitz because of protecting them.

並因為保護猶太人而喪命於奧斯威辛集中營，

And you go in prison and do this on your face?"

而你進監獄在你臉上紋了這個？」

He was in shock.

他很震驚。

Couple years later, which is a couple months ago,

幾年後，同時也是幾個月前，

he came out.

他出獄了。

Like many others from the project,

像許多其他參與企劃的人一樣，

almost all of them got moved to a lower-security prison,

他們幾乎都被移到了一座保安級別較低的監獄。

and one third of them got freed because of having good grades

他們中的三分之一在那個企劃結束後，

and notes by the guards after the project.

因為得到了警衛們良好的評分而被釋放。

So Kevin went out, and the first thing he did

所以Kevin出獄之後做的第一件事，

was to go up that hill that he looked at for 17 years,

就是爬上那座他看了17年山丘，

to look down at the prison that he was staying in.

俯瞰他曾待過的監獄。

And then the second thing, as I promised him,

然後他做的第二件事，就如我曾答應他的，

I took him to a doctor to remove his tattoo.

我帶他去找了一個醫生移除他的紋身。

And the session started with the laser, and it's very painful.

整個過程從雷射開始，這十分的痛苦。

And at the end of it, the doctor removed the laser and she told him,

在結尾時，醫生拿走了雷射，並告訴他：

"Well, who's better than a Jewish doctor to remove your swastika?"

「嗯，有什麼比讓一個猶太人醫生來幫你移去納粹黨徽更好的呢？」

(Laughter and applause)

（笑聲與掌聲）

And that's him now.

這是現在的他。

(Applause and cheers)

（掌聲與歡呼聲）

You know, we really tried to bring him here.

我們嘗試把他帶來這裡，

But his parole officer, who is actually really nice,

但他的假釋官，一個其實很不錯的人，

he said "JR, you're pushing too much.

對我說：「JR，你逼得太緊了。

He's not going to Canada.

他不會前往加拿大。

Sorry about this.”

我很抱歉。」

But he knows I'm here talking about it.

但他知道我在這裡分享這些。

You know, I want to use art as a bridge

你懂的，我想要用藝術搭建起一座

to make people talk to each other.

使人與對方溝通的橋樑。

I'm not an activist, I'm just an artist.

我不是個激進份子，我只是個藝術家。

I don't try to tell people what to think.

我試著不告訴別人該思考什麼，

I just try to make them think.

我僅僅嘗試讓他們自己去思考。

And I really see art,

藝術對我來說是個過程。

to me, it's like, it's in the process.

That's what's important.

這才是最重要的。

And after this whole project, after everything I showed you,

在這整個企劃和我向你們展示的所有東西之後，

what shook them, what struck them the most,

對他們來說最為震撼的是

is that I shook their hand.

我跟他們握了手。

So at the end, they even asked me for a hug.

所以到了最後，他們甚至向我要了個擁抱。

Now I remember their first question, which was:

現在我仍然記得他們的第一個問題：

What is the purpose of your art?

「你的藝術的意義在於什麼？」

Well, art can change things, but can it change the world?

藝術可以改變事情，但可以改變世界嗎？

Or can it change a man?

或者說可以改變一個人嗎？

Before you answer that question,

在你回答這個問題之前，

think, at some point in your life, have you changed?

想想你是否在你人生中的某個時刻改變了？

And if yes, if you did,

如果你改變了，

why can't they?

為何他們不行？

Thank you.

謝謝。

(Applause and cheers)

（掌聲與歡呼聲）

Helen Walters: That's amazing, you're amazing.

Helen Walters：太了不起了，你太了不起了。

You also just got back from Ukraine,

你才剛從烏克蘭過來，

and I wanted to show us just another piece of your work.

我想要給大家看你的另一個作品。

JR: Oh yeah, that was in Ukraine.

JR：喔對，這是在烏克蘭。

The biggest city in the west side of Ukraine is called Lviv.

在烏克蘭的西邊最大的城市叫做利維夫。

And a friend of mine took that photo at the border,

我有個朋友在邊界拍下了這張照片後，

he sent it to me, I printed it 150 feet long.

傳送給我，我把他打印成150英尺長。

We rolled it as a tarp, walked through the border with it.

我們把它像捲篷布一樣捲起來， 並帶著它走過了邊界。

It's actually easy to go that way, you know, to enter Ukraine.

其實走進去很簡單，你懂的，進入烏克蘭。

So they were like, "Oh, you're going to go this way? Sure."

所以他們說：「喔，你要走這條路？好。」

And then we drove to, you know, I met some people on Instagram,

然後我們開車到，你知道， 我在Instagram上認識了一些人，

and they came and picked me up in their car.

他們來接我上他們的車。

And then we gathered hundreds of people.

然後我們聚集了上百個人。

We wanted to show Putin's planes who they were shooting out.

我們想要給普丁的飛機看看他們射擊的人們。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

That little girl is actually safe.

那個小女孩實際上很安全。

When she got photographed, she was coming out of the country.

在為她拍照的時候，她剛離開烏克蘭。

So she’s now in Warsaw, and she’s OK.

所以她現在安全地待在華沙。

And since then, actually,

其實，從那之後，

we're moving this image all around Europe.

我們把這幅畫移到歐洲各地。

So while TED was happening in the last four days,

所以在TED發生的過去四天，

the image was in Berlin, Dusseldorf, Venice this morning.

這幅畫去了柏林和杜塞爾多夫， 而今早在威尼斯。

And then it will keep traveling and each time, each place,

它會繼續旅行，且每一次， 每一個地方的人們

people are gathering by themselves and opening it up.

會主動聚集並把它打開。

HW: That is amazing, JR, thank you.

Helen Walters：太不可思議了，JR，謝謝你。

JR: Thank you.

JR：謝謝。

(Applause)

（掌聲）