Nina Westbrook: How to support yourself (and others) through grief | TED

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Nina Westbrook: How to support yourself (and others) through grief | TED

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Transcriber:
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๋ฒˆ์—ญ: ๊ฒ€ํ† : JY Kang
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Cloe Shasha Brooks: Hello, TED Community,
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ํด๋กœ์ด ์ƒค์ƒค ๋ธŒ๋ฃฉ์Šค: ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, TED ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„.
00:07
you are watching a TED interview series
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ง€๊ธˆ TED ๋Œ€๋‹ด ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ์ธ
00:09
called How to Deal with Difficult Feelings.
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โ€˜ํž˜๋“  ๊ฐ์ •์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•โ€™์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:11
Iโ€™m your host, Cloe Shasha Brooks, and a curator at TED.
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์ €๋Š” ์ง„ํ–‰์ž ํด๋กœ์ด ์ƒค์ƒค ๋ธŒ๋ฃฉ์Šค๋กœ, TED ํ๋ ˆ์ดํ„ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:14
This past year has been full of both personal and collective grief.
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์ง€๋‚œํ•ด๋Š” ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„, ์‚ฌํšŒ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๊ณ ํ†ต์˜ ํ•ด์˜€์ฃ .
00:18
And this grief has taken many forms.
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์ด ์Šฌํ””์€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ํ˜•ํƒœ๋กœ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฌ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
00:21
And to dive deeper into the world of understanding and managing grief,
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์Šฌํ””์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๊ณ  ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ
00:25
I'll be speaking first with Nina Westbrook,
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๋จผ์ € ๋‹ˆ๋‚˜ ์›จ์ŠคํŠธ๋ธŒ๋ฃฉ ์”จ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด๋ณด๋„๋ก ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
a marriage and family therapist who has supported clients through loss.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ ๋ฐ ๊ฐ€์ • ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์ƒ๋‹ด์‚ฌ์ด๋ฉฐ ์Šฌํ””์„ ๊ฒช๋Š” ์ด๋“ค์„ ๋•๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:32
Hi, Nina.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ๋‹ˆ๋‚˜.
00:34
Nina Westbrook: Hi, Cloe, good to see you.
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๋‹ˆ๋‚˜ ์›จ์ŠคํŠธ๋ธŒ๋ฃฉ: ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š” ํด๋กœ์ด, ๋งŒ๋‚˜์„œ ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ€์›Œ์š”.
00:37
Thank you so much for having me.
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์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”.
00:39
CSB: Thanks for joining us.
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ํด๋กœ์ด: ์™€์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:41
Nina, you have talked about how grief can be about the loss of people
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๋‹ˆ๋‚˜ ์”จ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์žƒ๋Š” ์Šฌํ””์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ๋ฐ” ์žˆ์ฃ .
00:45
and tangible things.
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์‹ค์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ์Šฌํ””์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋„์š”.
00:46
But that it can also be about the loss of dreams,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ฟˆ์„ ์žƒ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์Šฌํ””์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”.
00:49
something that many people have experienced over the past year.
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์ง€๋‚œํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํž˜๋“ค์–ดํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ ์š”.
00:52
Can you give me some examples of grieving for lost dreams
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๊ฟˆ์„ ์žƒ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ์Šฌํ””์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
00:55
and talk about what it means to experience this kind of grief?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์Šฌํ””์„ ๊ฒช๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„์š”.
00:59
NW: Absolutely.
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๋‹ˆ๋‹ค: ๋„ค, ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:00
I believe that grief can take so many different forms,
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์Šฌํ””์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ˜•ํƒœ๋กœ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
01:06
and I think oftentimes when we think about grief,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข…์ข… ์Šฌํ””์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ
01:09
we associate it with the emotional process
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์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์žƒ์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ์—๋‚˜ ๊ฒช๋Š”
01:14
that takes place when we're coping with the death of a loved one.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค๋งŒ ์Šฌํ””๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ด€์‹œ์ผœ์š”.
01:18
I don't know.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”.
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It's just not as common to associate grief
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ๊ฟˆ์„ ์žƒ๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ
01:22
or correlate grief with the loss of a dream.
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์Šฌํ””๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ ์ง“๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ฐœ์ž…์‹œํ‚ค์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:25
So when you think about dreams and when they begin
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฟˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฟˆ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋–„๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
01:29
and how deeply they're rooted into our daily lives and our routines
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ๊ฟˆ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ผ์ƒ๊ณผ ์ƒํ™œ์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊นŠ๊ฒŒ ์ž๋ฆฌ ์žก๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€,
01:35
and how much our dreams
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๋˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
01:40
determine our decision-making process
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์ธ์ƒ์˜ ๊ฐˆ๋ฆผ๊ธธ์—์„œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์„ ํƒ์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ
01:44
and the choices that we make throughout the course of our lives,
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๊ทธ ๊ฟˆ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํŒ๋‹จ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด๋ฉด
01:48
they hold a pretty significant amount of space
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๊ฟˆ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ๊ณผ ์ •์‹ ์—
01:50
in our minds and in our hearts.
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์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:52
Imagine a child who,
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์–ด๋ฆฐ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋– ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋ณด๋ฉด
01:54
you know, from a young age, we begin to dream
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์–ด๋ฆฐ ๋‚˜์ด๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ฟˆ์„ ๊พธ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ฃ .
01:56
and they begin to dream about becoming an astronaut one day
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์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ์ฃผ๋น„ํ–‰์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ๋‹ฌ ์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฑท๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
01:59
and walking on the moon or becoming a professional athlete.
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๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์šด๋™์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฟˆ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์š”.
02:03
And then as we grow older,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ
02:05
we begin to focus in on what our needs are
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€
02:09
and what our wants are,
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๋˜๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์›ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ 
02:11
and our dreams begin to look more like acquiring our dream careers
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฟˆ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”์ง€์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ฃ .
02:17
or job positions or opening businesses,
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๊ฟˆ๊พธ๋˜ ์ง์—… ๋˜๋Š” ์ง€์œ„๋ฅผ ์–ป๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๊ฟˆ๊พธ๋˜ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
02:21
having children or finding love.
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๋˜๋Š” ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์—ฐ์ธ์„ ์ฐพ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
02:24
And the reality is that these dreams do not always work out
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ํ˜„์‹ค ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฟˆ๋“ค์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ž˜ ํ’€๋ฆด ์ˆ˜๋งŒ์€ ์—†๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
02:29
and manifest themselves in a way that we have imagined, right?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ์ƒํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋Œ€๋กœ ์‹คํ˜„๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ฃ .
02:33
And that can be so devastating for so many people.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฌด๋„ˆ๋œจ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:37
The loss of careers and jobs
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์ผ์ด๋‚˜ ์ง์žฅ์„ ์žƒ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
02:40
or our divorces, the loss of relationships,
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๋˜๋Š” ์ดํ˜ผ, ์ธ๊ฐ„๊ด€๊ณ„, ๋ถˆ์ž„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค
02:44
or infertility can all be extremely devastating things
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋ฌด๋„ˆ๋œจ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
02:49
and those types of devastating events
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํž˜๋“  ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๋“ค์€
02:53
propel you into the emotional process
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์Šฌํ””์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ๋•Œ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ณ ํ†ต์˜ ๊ฐ์ • ์†์œผ๋กœ
02:57
that takes place during grief.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ๋ฐ€์–ด ๋„ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:59
CSB: Let's bring a question up from the audience.
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์ƒค์ƒค: ๋„ค, ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋ณผ๊นŒ์š”.
03:02
What are comforting things to do or say when someone is grieving?
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ํž˜๋“ค์–ดํ•  ๋•Œ ์œ„๋กœ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ํ–‰๋™์ด๋‚˜ ๋ง์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
03:05
So I guess someone else in this case.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์žˆ๋‚˜ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:07
NW: That's a really amazing question.
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๋‹ˆ๋‚˜: ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”.
03:10
A lot of the time, simply being present
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๋Œ€๊ฐœ๋Š” ์˜จ์ „ํžˆ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ 
03:13
and offering support and encouragement
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์ง€์ง€์™€ ๊ฒฉ๋ ค๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
03:18
is really going to be important
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์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
03:22
when you're trying to support someone else through their grief.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ์Šฌํ””์„ ๋‹ค๋…์ผ ๋•Œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
03:25
I think communication is also important,
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์ €๋Š” ์†Œํ†ต ๋˜ํ•œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
03:28
asking that person,
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
03:30
"What can I do,"
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โ€œ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋„์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์„๊นŒ?โ€
03:31
or "What do you need from me in this moment
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๋˜๋Š” โ€์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์–ด?โ€
03:34
and how can I best support you,"
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โ€œ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ญ˜๊นŒ?โ€
03:36
is kind of going to be the best way to figure out how to support this person.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋„์›€์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด์—์š”.
03:41
Sometimes they just want someone to listen to.
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ์ € ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋งŒ์„ ์›ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์ฃ .
03:45
Sometimes they need someone to make them laugh or to help, you know,
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๊ฐ€๋”์€ ์ž์‹ ๋“ค์„ ์›ƒ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋„์™€์ค„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:49
keep them distracted for a moment
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์ด๋ฅผํ…Œ๋ฉด ์ž ์‹œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•ด์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
03:53
or sometimes they just need someone to be around them.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์˜†์— ์žˆ์–ด์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋งŒ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:56
It just really depends on the person,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ •๋ง ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ฃ .
03:58
since grief is so subjective in the way that we go through it.
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์Šฌํ””์„ ๊ฒช์–ด๋‚ด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์ •๋ง ์ฃผ๊ด€์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:01
CSB: Totally.
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์ƒค์ƒค: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
04:03
And let's go right into some strategies, too.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๋„๋ก ํ•˜์ฃ .
04:05
So I'm sure you have strategies for managing the grief of lost dreams.
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๊ฟˆ์„ ์žƒ๋Š” ์Šฌํ””์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ „๋žต๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”.
04:10
How do people pick themselves back up after that?
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์Šฌํ””์„ ๊ฒช์€ ํ›„์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ„ธ๊ณ  ์ผ์–ด๋‚ ๊นŒ์š”?
04:13
NW: You want to give yourself permission to grieve, first off.
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๋‹ˆ๋‚˜: ๋จผ์ € ์ž๊ธฐ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์Šฌํผํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•ด ์ฃผ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:16
And it's not a linear journey,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ์ง์„ ์˜ ์ธ์ƒ์€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
04:18
there is going to be lots of ups and downs that take place.
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์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์˜ค๋ฅด๋‚ด๋ฆผ์ด ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
04:22
Some days you're going to be OK and some days you might cry
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์–ด๋–ค ๋‚ ์—๋Š” ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๊ณ , ๋˜ ์–ด๋–ค ๋‚ ์€ ์šธ๊ฒŒ ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
04:26
and sometimes you might go a month without crying.
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๋˜๋Š” ๊ทธ์ € ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”.
04:29
And then one day everything comes crashing down all at once.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ๋‚  ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์— ๋ฌด๋„ˆ์ ธ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
04:33
It's just a matter of giving yourself permission to go through these feelings
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค์„ ์ด๊ฒจ๋‚ด๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:38
and knowing and reassuring yourself that this is OK and it's normal.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค์€ ์ •์ƒ์ ์ด๊ณ  ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ธ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์•ˆ์‹ฌ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
04:43
And also keeping in mind
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์† ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋˜๋‡Œ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:46
that it's OK to feel joy even in those moments of sadness
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์‚ด๋ฉด์„œ ์Šฌํ””์˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ๋Š๋‚„ ๊ณ ํ†ต์˜ ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค ์†์—์„œ๋„
04:51
that you're going to experience when you're grieving.
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๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”.
04:54
The other thing that I think is really important
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š”
04:58
is just to be proactive in the grieving process.
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์Šฌํ””์— ์ ๊ทน์ ์ธ ํƒœ๋„๋กœ ์ž„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๋ฐ์š”.
05:02
Don't ignore your grief.
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์Šฌํ””์„ ์™ธ๋ฉดํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
05:03
You can seek support.
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๋„์›€์„ ๊ตฌํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ฃ .
05:05
You can't be afraid to ask for support
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๋„์›€์„ ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‘๋ ค์›Œ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:08
or lean on others, people that you trust,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์˜ˆ์š”.
05:12
friends, family members, coworkers, whomever it may be for support.
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์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค, ๊ฐ€์กฑ, ๋™๋ฃŒ, ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋“  ๋„์›€์„ ์š”์ฒญํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
05:17
And then making a plan, making a new plan.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์งœ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ณ„ํš์„ ๋งŒ๋“œ์„ธ์š”.
05:20
Mourning happens over time.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ๋ฅด๋ฉด์„œ ์Šฌํ””์€ ์ƒ๊ธฐ๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ๋ จ์ด์ฃ .
05:23
What it's doing, what we're doing,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ๋“ค,
05:25
and all of the emotions that were going through
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์Šฌํ””์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋ฉฐ ๋Š๊ผˆ๋˜
05:27
during that mourning process
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค์˜ ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ
05:29
is we're literally detaching ourselves emotionally from the dream
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ ๊ฟˆ์„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋–ผ์–ด๋‚ด๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋™๊ฒฝํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฟˆ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
05:36
that we are mourning
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05:37
or from the object that we're mourning.
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ํ˜น์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Œ ์•„ํŒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ์š”.
05:40
And what that's doing is opening yourself up
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ณผ์ •๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์—ด๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค˜์š”.
05:43
and making space for new dreams
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฟˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์—ฌ์œ ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:46
and new experiences and new opportunities in the future.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ธฐํšŒ๋“ค๋„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ์ฃผ์ฃ .
05:50
So goal setting and planning is going to be key.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์„ธ์šฐ๊ณ  ๊ณ„ํšํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
05:55
A lot of the time we really focus on plan A.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์—๋งŒ ๋ชฐ๋‘ํ•ด์š”.
05:58
So this is a great time to pivot
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋•Œ์•ผ๋ง๋กœ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๊ณ 
06:01
and focus on planning for a new future and a new outcome.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์™€ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์งœ๊ธฐ์— ์ข‹์€ ์‹œ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:08
CSB: Absolutely.
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์ƒค์ƒค: ๋„ค ๋งž์•„์š”
06:10
And just one final quick question for you,
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๋„ค ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:12
which is that sometimes people get mad at themselves
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐ€๋” ์ž๊ธฐ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚  ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”.
06:15
for not getting over their grief.
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์Šฌํ”ˆ ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค์„ ์ž˜ ๋„˜๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด์„œ์š”.
06:16
What would you say to those people?
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์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
06:18
NW: It's really important to keep healing at the forefront of your mind.
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๋‹ˆ๋‚˜: ๋จผ์ € ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ๋Š์ž„์—†์ด ํšŒ๋ณต์‹œ์ผœ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:23
And I think that understanding the grief process
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๋˜ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์Šฌํ””์˜ ๊ณผ์ •๋“ค์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ 
06:29
and going through the ups and downs
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๊ฐ์ • ๊ธฐ๋ณต์„ ๊ฒช๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
06:31
and knowing that that's all a part of it,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์Šฌํ””์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์š”.
06:33
you have to be patient with yourself,
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์ž๊ธฐ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
06:35
you have to give yourself grace
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์ž๊ธฐ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์ง€์ผœ๋ด ์ฃผ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:37
and understand that you're going to have good days,
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๊ณง ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ ๋‚ ๋“ค์ด ์˜ฌ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ธ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ฃ .
06:39
you're going to have bad days.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์•ˆ ์ข‹์€ ๋‚ ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
06:41
But when it all comes down to it,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
06:43
if you're keeping the idea of healing in the forefront,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ ๊ทน์ ์ธ ์ž์„ธ๋กœ ์น˜์œ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ํ•œ
06:47
then you can focus your energy and your time into that process
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€์™€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋“ค์„ ๊ฒช์–ด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์œผ๋กœ ์“ธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:53
and going through it in a way that is productive
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด
06:55
to your emotional well-being in the future.
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์ƒ์‚ฐ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ์ด ํž˜๋“  ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค์„ ๊ฒช์–ด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
06:59
CSB: Wonderful.
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์ƒค์ƒค: ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…จ๋„ค์š”.
07:00
Well, thank you so much for this conversation, Nina.
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์ข‹์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์–ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:02
We have come to the end,
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๋ฒŒ์จ ๋งˆ์น  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ธ๋ฐ์š”.
07:04
but really grateful to you for joining us.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋‚ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:06
Take care.
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๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
07:07
NW: Thank you so much for having me. Take care.
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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