A queer vision of love and marriage | Tiq Milan and Kim Katrin Milan

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Tiq Milan: Our first conversation was on Facebook,
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and it was three days long.
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(Laughter)
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We shared over 3,000 messages between us,
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and it was during those 72 hours that I knew she was going to be my wife.
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We didn't wait any prerequisite amount of time for our courtship;
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we told each other the vulnerable truths up front:
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I am a transgender man,
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which means the F on my birth certificate should have stood for "False,"
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instead of "Female."
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(Laughter)
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Walking around as a woman in the world
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felt like walking with pebbles in my shoes.
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It took the rhythm out of my swagger,
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it threw me off balance,
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it pained me with every step I took forward.
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But today I'm a man of my own intention;
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a man of my own design.
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Kim Katrin Milan: I am a cisgender queer woman.
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Cisgender means the gender I was assigned at birth
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is still and has always been female.
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This doesn't make me natural or normal,
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this is just one way of describing the many different ways
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that we exist in this world.
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And queer is a cultural term,
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but in this case,
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it refers to the way that I'm not restricted by gender
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when it comes to choosing partners.
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I've identified in a few different ways --
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as a bisexual, as a lesbian --
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but for me,
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queerness encompasses all of the layers of who I am and how I've loved.
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I'm layers, and not fractions.
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And for me,
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the fact that he was queer
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meant that I could trust his courtship from the very beginning.
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As queer and trans people,
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we're so often excluded from institutions and traditions.
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We create spaces outside of convention,
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including the conventions of time.
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And in those 3,000 messages between us,
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we collapsed time;
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we queered it;
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we laid it all on the table.
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(Laughter)
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With no pretense at all.
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And this meant that we were able to commit to each other
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in a profoundly different way.
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So often what we're told is this idea of the "Golden Rule,"
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that we should treat other people the way we want to be treated.
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But the problem with that
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is that it assumes that we are the standard for other people,
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and we're not.
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We need to treat other people the way they want to be treated,
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which means we had to ask.
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I couldn't assume that the kind of love that Tiq needed
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was the same kind of love that I needed.
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So I asked him everything -- about his fears, his insecurities --
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and we started from there.
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TM: I didn't know what kind of love I needed.
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I had just come out of a year-long fog
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of being rejected and utterly depleted.
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I had someone look me in my eyes
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and tell me that I was unworthy of their love because I was trans.
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And there's a culture of lovelessness
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that we've created around transgender people.
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It's reasoned, justified and often signed into law.
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And I was a heartbeat away from internalizing that message,
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that I wasn't worthy.
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But Kim said that I was her ideal --
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the heartbroken mess that I was.
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(Laughter)
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KKM: He totally was my ideal.
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(Laughter)
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In more ways than one.
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Both poets, writers, creatives
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with a long history of community work behind us,
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and big, huge dreams of a family in front of us,
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we shared a lot of things in common,
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but we were also incredibly different.
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I've been a lifelong traveler and a bit of an orphan,
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whereas he comes from a huge family,
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and definitely stays grounded.
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I often kind of sum up the differences in our strengths
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by saying, "Keep me safe,
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and I'll keep you wild."
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(Laughter)
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TM: We have marginalized identities but we don't live marginalized lives.
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Being queer and trans is about creating new ways of existing.
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It's about loving people as they are,
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not as they're supposed to be.
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Kim is unapologetically feminine
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in a world that is often cruel and violent
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to women who are too proud and too freeing.
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And I didn't enter into this union
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under the auspices that she was going to be my helper or my rib,
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but a fully complex --
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(Laughter)
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KKM: Right? That's not right.
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TM: But a fully complex human being
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whose femininity wasn't for me to rein in, control or critique.
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It's her brilliance,
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the way she leads with compassion,
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and how she never loses sight of her empathy.
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She has been my hero since day one.
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(Applause)
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KKM: Our relationship has always been about setting each other free.
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One of the first questions I asked him
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was what dreams he had left to accomplish,
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and how would I help him get there.
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His dreams to live as a poet,
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to adopt and raise a family together,
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to live a life that he was proud of,
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and one that would live up to his mother's incredible legacy.
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And I really appreciated that we were able to start from that place,
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and not from a place that was around figuring out
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how to make each other work together.
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And I think this really allowed us to grow into the people that we were
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in a way that was incredibly different.
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I love him whole;
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pre-transition, now and in the future.
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And it's this love that had us committed to each other
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before we'd even seen each other's faces.
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TM: My mother's biggest concern when I transitioned
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was who was going to love me as I am.
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Had being transgender somehow precluded me from love and monogamy
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because I was supposedly born in the wrong body?
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But it's this type of structuring that has to be reframed
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in order to let love in.
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My body never betrayed me,
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and my body was never wrong.
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It's this restrictive, binary thinking on gender
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that said that I didn't exist.
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But when we met,
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she loved me for exactly how I showed up.
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She would trace her fingers along the numb keloid scars
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left by my top surgery.
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Scars that run from the middle of my chest all the way out to my outer torso.
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She said that these were reminders of my strength
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and everything that I went through
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and nothing for me to be ashamed of.
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So sprinting towards her hand in marriage
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was the queerest thing that I could do.
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(Laughter)
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It flew in the face of more conventional trajectories
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of love and relationships,
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because God was never supposed to bless a union for folks like us,
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and the law was never supposed to recognize it.
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KKM: So on May 5, 2014,
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just about three months after meeting online,
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we were married on the steps of City Hall in Manhattan,
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and it was beautiful in every conceivable way.
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It's safe to say that we reimagined some traditions,
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but we also kept some old ones that we worked in,
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and we created something that worked for us.
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My bouquet and corsage was actually filled with wildflowers from Brooklyn --
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also added in a little bit of lavender and sage to keep us grounded
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because we were so nervous.
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And it was put together by a sweet sister healer friend of ours.
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I never wanted a diamond ring,
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because conflict and convention are not my thing,
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so my ring is the deepest purple,
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like the color of my crown chakra,
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and set in place with my birthstones.
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The gift of queerness is options.
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I never had to choose his last name,
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it was never an exception,
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but I did because I am my father's bastard child,
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someone who has always been an apology, a secret, an imposition.
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And it was incredibly freeing
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to choose the name of a man who chose me first.
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(Applause)
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TM: So we told some family and some close friends,
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many of whom were still in disbelief as we took our vows.
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Fittingly, we posted all of our wedding photos on Facebook,
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where we met --
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and Instagram, of course.
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And we quickly realized
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that our coming together was more than just a union of two people,
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but was a model of possibility for the millions of LGBTQ folks
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who have been sold this lie
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that family and matrimony is antithetical to who they are --
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for those of us who rarely get to see ourselves
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reflected in love and happiness.
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KKM: And the thing is,
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absolutely we are marginalized because of our identities,
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but it also emboldens us to be the people that we are.
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Queerness is our major key;
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blackness is our magic.
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It's because of these things
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that we are able to be hopeful, open, receptive and shape-shifting.
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These are the things that give us,
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and are such an incredible source of, our strength.
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Our queerness is a source of that strength.
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I think of the words of Ottawa-based poet Brandon Wint:
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"Not queer like gay; queer like escaping definition.
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Queer like some sort of fluidity and limitlessness all at once.
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Queer like a freedom too strange to be conquered.
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Queer like the fearlessness to imagine what love can look like,
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and to pursue it."
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TM: We are part of a community of folks --
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Yeah, that's good right?
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(Laughter)
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We are part of a community of folks who are living their authentic selves
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all along the gender spectrum,
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despite the ubiquitous threat of violence,
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despite the undercurrent of anxiety that always is present
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for people who live on their own terms.
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Globally, a transgender person is murdered every 21 hours.
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And the United States has had more trans murders on record this year
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than any year to date.
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However, our stories are much more than this rigid dichotomy
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of strength and resilience.
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We are expanding the human complexity on these margins,
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and we are creating freedom on these margins.
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KKM: And we don't have any blueprints.
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We're creating a world that we have literally never seen before;
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organizing families based on love and not by blood,
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guiding by a compassion that so few of us have been shown ourselves.
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So many of us have not received love from our families --
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have been betrayed by the people that we trust most.
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So what we do here is we create entirely new languages of love.
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Ones that are about creating the space for us to be our authentic selves
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and not imposing this standard
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of what masculinity or femininity is supposed to be.
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TM: We are interested in love and inclusion
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as a tool of revolutionary change, right?
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And the idea is simply,
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if we drop all our preconceived notions
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about how somebody is supposed to be --
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in their body, in their gender, in their skin --
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if we take the intentional steps to unlearn these deep-seated biases
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and create space for people to be self-determined,
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and embrace who they are,
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then we will definitely create a better world than the one we were born into.
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(Applause)
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KKM: We want to mark this time in history
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by leaving evidence of the fact that we were here.
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We open up little windows into our relationship
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for our community to bear witness,
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and we do this because we want to make maps to the future
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and not monuments to ourselves.
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Our experience does not invalidate other peoples' experience,
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but it should and necessarily does complicate this idea
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of what love and marriage are supposed to be.
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TM: OK, now for all the talking,
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and inspiring,
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and possibility-modeling we've done,
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we've been nowhere near perfect.
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And we've had to hold a mirror up to ourselves.
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And I saw that I wasn't always the best listener,
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and that my ego got in the way of our progress as a couple.
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And I've had to really assess these deep-seated, sexist ideas
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that I've had about the value of a woman's experience in the world.
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I've had to reevaluate what it means to be in allyship with my wife.
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KKM: And I had to remind myself of a lot of things, too.
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What it means to be hard on the issues,
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but soft on the person.
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While we were writing this, we got into a massive fight.
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(Laughter)
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For so many different reasons,
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but based on the content about our values and our lived experiences --
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and we were really hurt, you know?
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Because what we do and how we love puts ourselves entirely on the line.
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But even though the fight lasted over the course of two days --
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(Laughter)
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We were able to come back together to each other,
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and recommit to ourselves, to each other and to our marriage.
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And that really yielded some of the most passionate parts
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of what we share with you here today.
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TM: I have had to interrogate masculinity,
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which I think doesn't happen enough.
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I've had to interrogate masculinity;
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the toxic privileges that come with being a man don't define me,
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but I have to be accountable for how it shows up in my life every day.
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I have allowed my wife to do all of the emotional labor
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of prying open the lines of communication when I'd rather clam up and run away.
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(Laughter)
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I've stripped away emotional support instead of facing my own vulnerabilities,
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particularly around the heartbreaking miscarriage we suffered last year,
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and I'm sorry for that.
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Sometimes as men, we get to take the easy way out.
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And so my journey as a trans person is about reimagining masculinity.
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About creating a manhood that isn't measured
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by the power it wields, by the entitlements afforded to it,
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or any simulacrum of control that it can muster,
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but works in tandem with femininity,
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and is guided by my spirit.
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KKM: Y'all ...
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(Applause)
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And this has created the space for my femininity to flourish
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in a way I had never experienced before.
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He never is threatened by my sexuality,
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he never polices what I wear or how I act.
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I cook but he does way more of the cleaning than I do.
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And when we're rushing to get out of the house
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and we have so much to handle,
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he handles everything,
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so I have time to do my hair and makeup.
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(Laughter)
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He understands that this is my armor,
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and he never treats femininity as though it is frivolous or superficial,
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and this, and him --
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he grows my experience of gender every single day.
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TM: I love to watch her get dressed in the morning.
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Watching her in the closet,
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looking for something comfortable and colorful, and tight,
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and safe --
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(Laughter)
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But it's challenging to watch her negotiate her decisions
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looking for something that's going to get the least amount of attention,
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but at the same time be an expression of the vibrant and sexy woman she is.
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And all I want to do is celebrate her for her beauty,
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and the things that make her beautiful and special and free,
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from her long acrylic nails,
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to her uncompromising black feminism.
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(Applause)
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KKM: I love you. TM: I love you.
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(Laughter)
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KKM: There are so many queer and trans people
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who have come before us,
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whose stories we will never get to hear.
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We constantly experience this retelling of history
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where we are conspicuously left out.
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And it's really hard to not see ourselves there.
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And so living out loud for us is about that representation.
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It's about having possibility models,
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and having hope that love is part of our inheritance in this world, too.
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TM: The possibility that we are practicing
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is about reinventing time, love and institutions.
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We are creating a future of multiplicity.
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We are expanding the spectrum of gender and sexuality,
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imagining ourselves into existence,
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imagining a world where gender is self-determined and not imposed,
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and where who we are is a kaleidoscope of possibility
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without the narrow-minded limitations masquerading as science or justice.
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(Applause)
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KKM: And I can't lie:
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it is really, really hard.
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It is hard to stand in the face of bigotry
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with an open heart and a smile on my face.
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It is really hard to face the injustice that exists in the world,
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while still believing in the ability of people to really change.
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That takes an enormous amount of faith and dedication.
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And beyond that,
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marriage is hard work.
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(Laughter)
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Piles of dirty socks on the floor,
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more boring sports shows than I ever thought possible --
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(Laughter)
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And fights that bring me to tears
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when it feels like we're not speaking the same language.
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But there is not a day that goes by
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where I am not so grateful to be married to this man;
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where I'm not so grateful for the possibility of changing minds,
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and rewarding conversations,
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and creating a world where love belongs to us all.
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I think about our acronym:
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LGBTQ2SIA.
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A seemingly endless evolution of self and a community,
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but also this really deep desire not to leave anyone behind.
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We've learned how to love each other,
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and we've committed to loving each other throughout changes to gender
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and changes in spirit.
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And we learned this love in our chat rooms,
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in our clubs, in our bars and in our community centers.
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We've learned how to love each other for the long haul.
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TM & KKM: Thank you.
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(Applause)
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