The Case for a 4-Day Work Week | Juliet Schor | TED

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I've been studying work since the 1980s,
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and I've never seen anything like what's happening today.
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Pandemic-fueled anxiety is surging around the world.
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In the US, more than half of all employees report feeling stressed
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a lot of the day.
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Job quits are at record levels, running at four million a month.
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People are burning out.
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In response,
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a growing number of companies are offering a four-day,
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32-hour week,
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but with five days of pay.
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Now, it's not a new idea,
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but the pandemic has turbocharged it.
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Employers are realizing
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that if they can rethink where people work,
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they can also rethink how many days they're on the job.
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Sounds pretty great, but is it realistic?
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Well, actually, yes.
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Unlike policies in which one party profits at the expense of another,
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the four-day week can benefit workers, companies and society,
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and it can even be a gateway for addressing climate change.
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But first, let's talk about the workplace.
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For nearly a decade,
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companies and governments have been experimenting with shorter hours
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with no cuts in pay.
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While the results do vary,
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the research shows that people are less stressed,
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value their jobs more
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and have better lives outside of work.
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In most cases,
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they are as productive in four days as they are in five.
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Companies can also see benefits through lower turnover
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and a higher-quality applicant pool.
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Less burnout reduces health care costs, mistakes and poor service.
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With colleagues,
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I'm studying four-day week trials now in progress in the United States
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and Ireland,
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with summer start dates for the UK, New Zealand and Australia.
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We have thousands of employees participating.
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Healthwise, an education company, didn't wait for our trial to begin.
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In June, their employees were quitting in droves.
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By August, they'd implemented a four-day week.
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Six months later,
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CEO Adam Husney reports that people are dramatically happier
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and have never been more productive.
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Resignations and sick days are down,
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revenue has grown
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and customer satisfaction scores are outstanding.
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Healthwise employees are spending their Fridays off
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doing family activities like sports or errands.
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One mother of young children reported that now she can occasionally manage
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a guilt-free pedicure.
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The four-day week can help with self-care
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and managing the daily stresses of systemic racism,
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sexism and classism.
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Now a key part of the model
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is that in return for the gift of a day off,
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people are willing to squeeze all their productivity into four days.
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So while they may be spending less time at work,
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they're not necessarily doing less work.
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The secret sauce is work reorganization,
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cutting out the least productive activities.
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Meetings are a prime target.
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Yes, I see everyone nodding.
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Most companies reduce their frequency and length
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and the number of attendees.
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At Healthwise,
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people save time by messaging colleagues rather than making phone calls,
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which inevitably includes some social chatting.
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They shifted personal tasks, like doctor's appointments,
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to the off-day.
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And yes, the pace of work at the office does go up.
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"Let's be honest," one explained,
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"I'm not goofing off or looking at Facebook,
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which I was."
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But people have adapted
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and they prefer getting their downtime as a whole day off
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rather than in snippets.
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Government initiatives have similar findings.
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In 2015, the city of Reykjavik
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and then the National Government of Iceland
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started offering 36 and 35-hour weeks,
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eventually enrolling more than 2,500 employees.
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The results have been remarkable.
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Physical and mental stress went down
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while work ethic, job satisfaction,
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work-life balance, energy levels, all improved.
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Productivity and service quality stayed the same or got better,
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and the trial was revenue-neutral.
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Today, roughly 85 percent of all Icelandic employees
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are either on or eligible for these schedules.
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The governments of Spain and Scotland have announced four-day week trials
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in which they'll be subsidizing the fifth day's pay.
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Now one reason for these successes
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is that with reduced work time,
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each hour typically becomes more productive.
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Norway and Denmark,
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the two European countries with the shortest average hours of work
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at about 1,380,
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have outsized productivity.
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France and Germany are similar.
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In contrast,
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the long-hours countries like the UK and Italy
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have much, much lower productivity.
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The US historically led the world in productivity
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and would likely do better now if its work time weren't so high.
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While tech firms comprise the biggest group
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adopting four-day reduced hours schedules,
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companies are also making the switch in banking,
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PR, marketing and design,
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nonprofits, consumer goods, even a restaurant chain.
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But it's also true
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that doing 100 percent of the work in 80 percent of the time
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isn't feasible everywhere.
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Manufacturing was sped up decades ago.
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Many teachers and flight attendants need to slow down, not intensify.
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And of course, health care workers on the front lines of the pandemic
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need to work less, not more.
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(Applause)
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Thank you, health care workers.
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Here, another government effort is instructive.
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In 2014, the city of Gothenburg in Sweden
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gave nurses at one of its facilities a six-hour day.
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As expected, the nurses' health and overall well-being improved,
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as did productivity and patient care.
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But in this trial,
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they hired new staff for the hours that weren't being covered.
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The striking finding was how much lower sick pay
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and unemployment benefits helped offset those additional salaries.
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Now the Swedish case raises a bigger, more existential question.
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How much time should we be dedicating to work?
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In many countries,
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jobs are getting more, not less demanding.
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And scarcity thinking,
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the idea that even rich countries need to tighten their belts,
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has taken hold.
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But really,
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we should be heading in the opposite direction
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as digitization and artificial intelligence
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offer the chance to reduce work time.
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Amid pandemic fatigue,
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we should be doubling down on restoring the quality of life and our social fabric,
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especially in wealthy countries where we already produce enough
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for everyone to have a good standard of living.
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And this path has the added benefit of addressing the climate crisis.
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"How so," you may ask.
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Well, with the four-day week,
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there's the obvious impact of less commuting.
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But if we use productivity growth to continue to reduce hours of work
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just by a couple of percent a year,
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we can create a longer-term dynamic of decarbonization.
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Research by me and others has shown this time and again
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across countries, across states, across households.
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One reason is that when people are time-stressed,
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they tend to choose faster and more polluting modes of travel
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and daily life activities.
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In contrast,
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when people get time rather than money,
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they tend to have a lower carbon footprint.
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But the bigger reason has to do with the size of the economy.
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By opting to work less,
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countries are choosing not to expand production to its max,
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thereby avoiding additional emissions.
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Carbon success stories like Germany and Denmark
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tend to have low annual hours.
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France and the Netherlands are also low on both carbon and work time.
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The four-day week is a down payment on a new way to live and work.
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And yes, we're going to need government help
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if we're going to move beyond the innovative companies
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that already see its virtues.
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But as the three-day weekend spreads,
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we can realize everyone deserves a right to free time.
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And that brings the logic of a universal basic income squarely into view.
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Because without financial support,
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low-earners can't afford to take that fifth day off.
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There's a lot of talk these days about the future of work
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and the opportunities that it offers.
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But there's more at stake here than opportunity.
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We have an imperative.
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An imperative to face the challenges of our current moment.
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The pandemic, burnout and depression,
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inequalities of race and income,
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the climate crisis.
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A four-day week addresses each one of these.
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For now, we're starting company by company.
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But as momentum builds and it becomes universal,
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we'll have made the transition from scarcity thinking
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to appreciating the true wealth that we possess.
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Our ingenuity,
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our compassion
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and our humanity.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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Helen Walters: Juliet, thank you so much.
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I have a very practical question for you.
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So you mentioned in the talk that people were taking Friday off.
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Is the recommendation that people all take the same day off,
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or is this something that people can take, kind of, any day they want off?
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What's the ideal mechanism to have in place here?
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JS: Every company does it the way that works for them.
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And that's one of the things in our trial.
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We do coaching, and we work with the companies before they start
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to figure out are they a company that can shut down for one day?
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Do they need to have 24/7, you know, customer service available?
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So really, it depends, and we're seeing every type.
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HW: Juliet, thank you so much.
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(Applause)
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