How to Learn English with News (featuring Stephen - SEND7)

Hello, and welcome to The English Like a Native Podcast, the listening

您好，欢迎来到“像母语一样的英语播客”，这

resource for intermediate to advanced level English learners.

是面向中级到高级英语学习者的听力资源。

My name is Anna and today we have a very special guest.

我叫安娜，今天我们有一位非常特别的客人。

Let me introduce Stephen from Simple English News Daily, or rather SEND7.

让我介绍一下《简单英语新闻日报》（或者更确切地说是 SEND7）的斯蒂芬。

Hi Stephen, how are you?

嗨，斯蒂芬，你好吗？

I am very well.

我很好。

Thank you, Anna.

谢谢你，安娜。

Thank you for having me.

谢谢你有我。

You're very welcome.

非常不客气。

Stephen, I did listen to the news this morning, but maybe I should

斯蒂芬，我今天早上确实听了新闻，但也许我应该

be listening to your podcast.

听你的播客。

How up-to-date is your podcast?

您的播客的最新程度如何？

How quickly do you get the news out onto your podcast?

您多快将新闻发布到播客上？

Well, well it is a daily podcast.

好吧，好吧，这是一个每日播客。

So, yeah, Monday to Friday.

所以，是的，周一到周五。

Yeah, every day, it's there.

是的，每天，它都在那里。

So, yeah, it's not on Saturdays and Sundays, but Monday, Tuesday,

所以，是的，它不是在周六和周日，而是

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday it's there.

在周一、周二、周三、周四、周五。

Fantastic and so, your podcast is all about teaching English through news.

太棒了，所以你的播客都是关于通过新闻教英语的。

So, let's go back to the very beginning.

那么，让我们回到最开始。

How did you get into teaching English?

您是如何开始从事英语教学的？

I always like the origin stories.

我一直很喜欢起源故事。

Okay.

好的。

I was always a language learner myself.

我自己一直是一个语言学习者。

I speak Spanish and French.

我说西班牙语和法语。

I studied them in secondary school.

我在中学时研究过它们。

And after I finished school I went to France for a while,

完成学业后，我去了法国一段时间，

six months or something.

六个月左右。

And then after university, I lived in Spain for a year and travelled the world

大学毕业后，我在西班牙住了一年，并环游世界

in a few different places, lived in Argentina for a couple of years as well.

几个不同的地方，还在阿根廷住了几年。

And yeah, during that time, as well as learning languages,

是的，在那段时间，除了学习语言之外，

I was teaching English.

我还教英语。

I wasn't always, you know, 100 per cent sure that that's what I

你知道，我并不总是百分百确定这就是我

wanted to do, but I just enjoyed it.

想做的事，但我只是喜欢它。

So, carried on doing that.

所以，继续这样做。

And I was also a primary school teacher in England for the last

过去

three or four years as well.

三四年我也在英国担任小学老师。

So, you're back in the UK now.

所以，你现在回到了英国。

I am.

我是。

You missed the sunny shores of the UK.

你错过了英国的阳光海岸。

Yeah.

是的。

Wow.

It's looking incredibly grey and rainy and windy at the moment.

哇。

现在天色灰蒙蒙的，多雨多风。

Yes.

是的。

The stereotypical English day.

典型的英国日。

I do miss the sunshine sometimes.

有时我确实想念阳光。

Yeah, when I was in Spain, I was living in Granada, which is in the south.

是的，当我在西班牙时，我住在南部的格拉纳达。

It's really, really hot during the summer, although it actually gets

夏天真的非常热，但

quite cold in the winter as well.

冬天实际上也很冷。

And in Argentina, I was living in the North in a place called Resistencia,

在阿根廷，我住在北部一个叫雷西斯滕西亚的地方，

which is really, really hot.

那里非常非常热。

Oh right.

Like 40 degrees during the summer.

啊对。

夏天大概40度左右。

It's crazy.

这很疯狂。

So, yeah, it's quite a difference being back in England again.

所以，是的，再次回到英格兰是一个很大的不同。

And when you were teaching, you've recently finished teaching in

当你教书的时候，你刚刚完成了

primary school, but what were you teaching in primary school?

小学教学，但是你在小学教了什么？

Were you teaching English there as well, or just a generic

你在那里也教英语，还是只是一种通用

kind of all-round education?

的全面教育？

Yeah, I was an all-round primary teacher.

是的，我是一名全能的小学教师。

I don't know what it's like exactly in most other countries, but yeah,

我不知道大多数其他国家的具体情况如何，但是，是的，

in generally in England, primary school teachers just teach everything.

在英国，小学老师通常会教授所有内容。

So, English, Maths, Science, maybe you have a different teacher for

所以，英语、数学、科学，也许你有不同的

PE or music or something, but...

体育老师或音乐老师，但是……

Or drama?

或者戏剧？

Did you do drama in primary school?

你小学的时候学过话剧吗？

I taught drama.

我教戏剧。

Yeah.

是的。

I was the head of drama.

我是戏剧组的组长。

I was the drama department at a private primary school for a while.

我在一所私立小学的戏剧系工作了一段时间。

Not far from where I live now, actually.

其实离我现在住的地方不远。

Yeah.

I enjoyed primary school for the children are fun.

是的。

我很喜欢小学，因为孩子们很有趣。

It's a great age.

这是一个伟大的时代。

The primary age they're uninhibited and you know, full of energy, but it

他们的小学年龄是不羁的，你知道，充满活力，但

was the paperwork and the politics that I wasn't a fan of, I have to say.

我不得不说，我不喜欢文书工作和政治。

Yeah, nobody likes the paperwork and the politics, but yeah, no, I got

是的，没有人喜欢文书工作和政治，但是，是的，不，我

to teach a lot of Spanish as well because I was the only person in

也必须教很多西班牙语，因为我是

the school who could speak Spanish.

学校里唯一会说西班牙语的人。

So I was used in a lot of different classes and I pretty

所以我被用于很多不同的课程，并且我几乎

much wrote my own curriculum.

编写了自己的课程。

For what the other year groups could be could be learning and that.

对于其他年级的人来说，可能是学习之类的。

Fantastic.

极好的。

But yeah, yeah, I really enjoyed it.

但是，是的，是的，我真的很喜欢它。

So, what took you from being in a classroom full of kids and teaching

那么，是什么让你从在一个满是孩子的教室里教授

all-round education to, I'm guessing sitting alone in a room speaking to a

全面教育，变成了独自坐在一个房间里对着

microphone teaching English through news?

麦克风通过新闻教授英语？

How did you make that transition?

你是如何实现这一转变的？

You make podcasting sounds so lonely, but sometimes it is, isn't it?

你让播客听起来很孤独，但有时确实如此，不是吗？

Yeah, it was actually really, I was actually doing them both at

是的，实际上，我实际上同时做了

the same time for quite a long time, which was really difficult.

很长一段时间，这真的很困难。

Really, really a lot of work.

真的，真的很多工作。

But it was mostly because I thought that this idea for a podcast,

但这主要是因为我认为播客的想法，

Simple English News Daily, Send7, was just a really good idea.

简单英语新闻日报，Send7，是一个非常好的想法。

And I thought that people would be really interested in it, because I was

我认为人们会对它真正感兴趣，因为我

already listening to, not exactly the same thing, but I was already listening

已经在听了，不完全一样的东西，但我

to news podcasts and listening to the radio in French and Spanish myself every

自己每天都在听新闻播客和法语和西班牙语广播

day, you know, and this was kind of, especially since being back in England

，你知道，而且确实如此，尤其是自从回到英格兰

and also being in other places where I wasn't speaking Spanish and French.

以及在其他我不会说西班牙语和法语的地方之后。

I wanted to have this kind of connection every day to the languages that I knew.

我希望每天都能与我所了解的语言建立这种联系。

So, I was often listening to the radio and podcasts, and particularly the news.

所以，我经常听广播和播客，尤其是新闻。

And this made me think, I wonder if there is some kind of daily news podcast

这让我想到，我想知道是否有某种每日新闻播客

which is spoken in a little bit more of an easy way for people with English

，其语言对于以英语为第二语言的人来说更容易

as a second language to understand.

理解。

And there, there wasn't one.

而那里，一个也没有。

So, I thought, okay, I'm going to make it myself.

所以我想，好吧，我自己做吧。

So, you saw a gap in the market, we'd say.

所以，我们会说，你看到了市场的缺口。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah.

A total gap in the market.

是的。 市场总缺口。

Yeah.

Yeah.

是的。 是的。

And of course, it's a pretty crazy thing to do because it's so

当然，这是一件非常疯狂的事情，因为

much work to do every single day.

每天都有很多工作要做。

But once I started it, it became reasonably popular quite quickly

但一旦我开始使用它，它很快就变得相当受欢迎，

like it was always growing and I got some really nice feedback.

就像它一直在增长一样，我得到了一些非常好的反馈。

Lots of people saying that they started listening to it every day when they

很多人说他们每天在

were drinking their coffee, you know, or on the, on the train or something.

喝咖啡的时候开始听这首歌，你知道，或者在火车上或者其他什么地方。

And it was, it was just great.

确实如此，这真是太棒了。

So, I thought, yeah, I'm going to keep going.

所以，我想，是的，我要继续下去。

And yeah, only last July, I changed, left the school life just

是的，就在去年七月，我改变了，离开了学校生活，只

to concentrate on the podcast.

专注于播客。

So, you took the plunge.

所以，你冒险了。

Took the plunge, yeah.

冒险了，是的。

Into, into full-time YouTubing, not YouTubing, full time podcasting.

进入全职 YouTube，而不是 YouTube，全职播客。

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

是啊是啊，没错。

Yeah, yeah, definitely not YouTubing, actually.

是的，是的，实际上绝对不是 YouTube。

Not yet.

Because the podcast is not on YouTube at the moment, so...

还没有。

因为该播客目前不在 YouTube 上，所以……

It could be.

有可能。

It could be, we'll talk about it afterwards.

可能是这样，我们稍后再讨论。

Yeah, we'll talk about that.

是的，我们会讨论这个。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

So, I think it is a really great idea using news as a teaching point because

所以，我认为使用新闻作为教学点是一个非常好的主意，因为

news is so relevant to so many people.

新闻与很多人息息相关。

It's part of my daily routine.

这是我日常生活的一部分。

I come down in the morning and I ask my, you know, device that sits on

我早上下来，我问我的设备，你知道，它位于

the side that you talk to with a name beginning with A, that I can't say

你与之交谈的一侧，名字以 A 开头，我不能说，

because she starts talking back to me.

因为她开始跟我顶嘴。

I ask her what, what's the news and, and she'll play it to me.

我问她什么，有什么新闻，然后她就会播放给我听。

And sometimes I, after lunch, I'll ask her again, what's the news?

有时我，午饭后，我会再问她，有什么消息吗？

And I just listen while I'm cooking or cleaning up and just trying to keep up to

我只是在做饭或打扫卫生时倾听，并试图了解

date with what's going on in the world.

世界上正在发生的事情。

And in this country, it's always such a roller coaster.

而在这个国家，事情总是像过山车一样。

I've certainly been much more into the news since COVID or actually

自新冠疫情以来，或者实际上自英国脱欧以来，我当然对新闻更加感兴趣

since Brexit, I think once we have the Brexit vote from that point on,

，我想，从那时起，一旦我们进行脱欧公投，

I think I was just so flabbergasted with what was going on and so much

我想我对正在发生的事情感到非常震惊，并且更加

more involved and interested in like politics and what's actually happening

参与和感兴趣 比如政治以及 国家和国际层面

at a national and international level.

实际发生的事情 。

Maybe it's an age thing, I don't know, maybe you just get to a point in life

也许这是一个年龄的问题，我不知道，也许你只是到了人生的某个阶段

where you feel like you're actually impacted by things in the world and

，你觉得你实际上受到世界上的事物的影响，

you need to know what's going on.

你需要知道发生了什么。

I actually think, and I think the same thing happened for a lot of people in

事实上，我认为英国脱欧对很多英国人来说也发生了同样的事情

Britain from Brexit just because there was such a dramatic effect on people's actual

，因为 政治决定对

lives coming from a political decision.

人们的实际生活产生了如此巨大的影响

So, I think there was something, it was quite a moment for people

。 所以，我认为有一些事情，对于人们

to go, oh wow, this stuff that happens on the news, it actually

来说，这是一个相当重要的时刻，哦哇，新闻上发生的这些事情，它实际上

has a big effect on me, wow, okay.

对我产生了很大的影响，哇，好吧。

Yeah, and Brexit is still such a big talking point, isn't it?

是的，英国脱欧仍然是一个大话题，不是吗？

I mean, I know that within families, within my family, within my partner's

我的意思是，我知道在家庭内部，在我的家庭内部，在我伴侣的

family, there's disagreements.

家庭内部，存在分歧。

Like we sit on opposite sides of the fence and, you know, this rift that's been

就像我们坐在栅栏的两侧一样，你知道，

created from the Brexit vote has continued to be a debate up until this day.

英国脱欧投票造成的这种裂痕直到今天仍然是一个争论。

You know, things like if anything is difficult now because of Brexit or

你知道，如果现在因为英国脱欧而遇到困难，或者

if it comes out that it hasn't been as successful, it's always like,

结果并不那么成功，那么你总是会说，

see, see, this is what you did.

看，看，这就是你所做的。

You know, it's a continuous kind of battle to convince the others that,

你知道，这是一场持续不断的战斗，要让其他人相信，

that maybe it wasn't such a good idea, but everyone's got their own opinion.

也许这不是一个好主意，但每个人都有自己的观点。

Yeah, well, it's been eight years.

是啊，已经八年了。

So, I wonder whether in another eight years, it will be exactly the same.

所以，我想知道再过八年，情况是否会一模一样。

I wouldn't be surprised.

Yeah, well I've started seeing in people's windows as I drive

我不会感到惊讶。

是的，当我开车四处走动时，我开始在人们的窗户里看到

around, like reunite posters.

，比如团聚海报。

That'll be the next big thing.

这将是下一件大事。

Probably.

I don't know.

大概。

我不知道。

Anyway, coming back to the idea of using news to teach now, I think it's

不管怎样，回到现在使用新闻来教学的想法，我认为这是

a great idea, but I think you have to a little bit brave, almost, bold

一个好主意，但我认为你必须有点勇敢，几乎，大胆地

to go out publicly and discuss news in a global kind of way on a global

公开并以全球性的方式讨论新闻。全球

platform because, you know, some news, well, all news is divisive in some way.

平台，因为，你知道，有些新闻，嗯，所有新闻在某种程度上都是分裂的。

It kind of triggers people, especially with what's going on with the

它有点触发人们，特别是在冲突

conflicts and all the political change.

和所有政治变革正在发生的情况下。

And you know, there's so much, there's just so much emotion attached to the news.

你知道，这条新闻包含了太多、太多的情感。

And...

100 per cent.

而且…… 100%。

I know if I ever even, you know, hint at not taking a side, but supporting

我知道，如果我什至，你知道，暗示不站在一边，而是

something on social media, I will get, you know, lots of applause,

在社交媒体上支持某些事情，我会得到，你知道，很多掌声，

but I'll also get lots of hate and attack and how dare you and what about

但我也会得到很多仇恨和攻击，你怎么敢那这个怎么样

this and don't you care about this?

？你不关心这个吗？

And I'm like, whoa!

So, I just shy away from it generally.

我想，哇！

所以，我一般都会回避它。

So, what's your experience been with handling the news?

那么，您处理新闻的经历如何？

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

Great question.

很好的问题。

And so, so true.

如此，如此真实。

Yeah.

是的。 出于你刚才所说的原因，默认立场可以是，好吧，我

For reasons like what you've just said, the default position can be, okay, I'm

just not going to talk about anything.

只是不谈论任何事情。

I'm not going to go anywhere near any of those controversial subjects.

我不会谈论任何有争议的话题。

And I don't blame you or anybody for not wanting to.

我不会责怪你或任何人不想这么做。

Although actually even then you can still have people sending you

尽管实际上即使这样，您仍然可以让人们向您发送

messages going, why aren't you talking about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

消息，但您为什么不谈论等等，等等，等等。

No?

So yeah, it can be impossible, but from the perspective of Simple

不？

所以，是的，这可能是不可能的，但从《简单英语新闻日报》的角度来看

English News Daily, our aim is to be as neutral as possible.

，我们的目标是尽可能保持中立。

So just no opinion, just trying to make it as statement of fact as possible.

所以只是不发表任何意见，只是试图尽可能陈述事实。

And I think we generally do pretty well on that.

我认为我们在这方面总体上做得很好。

Yeah, we've been, we get a lot of compliments actually

是的，我们收到了很多赞美，实际上是

emails and things saying,

电子邮件和东西说，

"Oh, it's so unbiased."

“哦，这太公正了。”

Which I absolutely love and I hope for it to always stay like that.

我非常喜欢它，我希望它永远保持这样。

But the truth is, there's always going to be somebody who

但事实是，总会有人

thinks that you're not unbiased.

认为你不公正。

It's just impossible.

这是不可能的。

You can't please everyone.

你无法取悦所有人。

You can't.

It's actually impossible.

你不能。

这实际上是不可能的。

And it's, there's no point in trying because you can't do it.

尝试是没有意义的，因为你做不到。

It's no, there's always going to be somebody who doesn't believe the things

不，总会有人不相信

that you say, even if you try and make it as unbiased and factual as possible.

你所说的话，即使你尽力使其尽可能公正和真实。

So, yeah, you have to accept that.

所以，是的，你必须接受这一点。

What's your source then?

那你的来源是什么？

Because, you know, even I always believed, you know, the BBC is an

因为，你知道，即使我一直相信，你知道，BBC 是一个

unbiased news source, but many people would argue that that's not true.

公正的新闻来源，但很多人会认为这不是真的。

It depends where the funding comes from.

这取决于资金来自哪里。

Everyone's got an agenda these days.

这些天每个人都有自己的议程。

So, where do you go and how do you kind of ensure that you are remaining unbiased and

那么，您该去哪里以及如何确保您保持公正并

reporting just the facts as you find them.

仅报告您发现的事实。

Yeah, I mean, again, no source is perfect.

是的，我的意思是，没有任何来源是完美的。

And there's always going to be people who disagree with your sources anyway.

无论如何，总会有人不同意你的消息来源。

But the places that I generally go to are the more commonly, like, well

但我通常去的地方都是比较常见的地方，比如知名

known sources that just have thousands of journalists working for them.

的消息来源，那里有数千名记者为他们工作。

So, Reuters news agency is one of the big ones.

所以，路透社是最大的通讯社之一。

Associated Press is another one of the big ones.

美联社是另一大新闻社之一。

They have journalists just working all over the world who are, are

他们的记者在世界各地工作，他们

really hands on with their stories.

真正亲力亲为地报道他们的故事。

But then also, yeah, for, I would definitely go to the

但同时，是的，因为，我肯定会去

BBC for a lot of things.

BBC 做很多事情。

I mean, really, the truth is for a lot of the things that we're saying,

我的意思是，事实上，对于我们所说的很多事情来说，事实是，

there's not going to be much controversy in the reporting of most stories.

大多数故事的报道不会引起太多争议。

Like for example, if there has been an earthquake in Ecuador, the difference

举例来说，如果厄瓜多尔发生了地震，

between the reporting of the BBC or CNN or Reuters or Al Jazeera is going to be

BBC、CNN、路透社或半岛电视台的报道之间的差异将很小

minimal, you know, that for most stories, the sources agree with each other.

，你知道，对于大多数报道来说，消息来源都是一致的。

It's only from slightly more controversial topics that you get differences in

只有从争议性稍大的话题中，你才会发现

the way that they report on things.

他们报道事物的方式有所不同。

And in those cases, I try to read a lot of them, which is why I spend so

在这些情况下，我会尝试阅读很多新闻，这就是为什么我花大量

much time reading and watching and listening to the news, particularly

时间阅读、观看和收听新闻，尤其

of the more controversial things.

是那些更有争议的事情。

But also to avoid bias.

还要避免偏见。

In the podcast, we just use terms like according to da,

在播客中，我们只使用“根据da、

da, da, blah, blah, blah, blah.

da、da、blah、blah、blah、blah”等术语。

So, according to Al Jazeera, this happened, blah, blah, blah.

所以，据半岛电视台报道，这件事发生了，等等，等等。

According to the BBC, they said this, this person said this, this person said this.

据英国广播公司报道，他们这么说，这个人这么说，这个人这么说。

So, you can kind of...

所以，你可以……

Just reporting on what's being said without committing to knowing

只是报告所说的内容，而不承诺了解

it or suggesting that it's fact.

或暗示这是事实。

That's right.

这是正确的。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah.

是的。

So, is there anything that you actually avoid?

那么，有什么是你真正避免的吗？

You know, because obviously with things like conflict and death, murder, things

你知道，因为显然对于冲突、死亡、谋杀

like that, is there anything when you go, oh, maybe that's just a bit

之类的事情，当你去的时候会有什么，哦，也许这有点

too gruesome or a bit too negative.

太可怕了，或者有点太消极了。

I might not cover that one.

我可能不会涵盖这一点。

No, actually there isn't.

不，实际上没有。

No, we would cover everything.

So, no holds barred.

不，我们会涵盖一切。

所以，没有任何限制。

No, I don't think so.

不，我不这么认为。

No, I don't think there's anything which we've ever just not reported

不，我认为我们没有任何事情

on because it's too gruesome.

因为太可怕而没有报道过。

There have been a few episodes where I've actually said,

有几集我实际上说过，

"The next 90 seconds of audio are reporting on something really violent".

“接下来的 90 秒音频正在报道一些非常暴力的事情”。

Or something.

"If you want to, you can skip ahead to minute 02:30."

或者其他的东西。

“如果您愿意，可以跳到 02:30 分钟。”

Or something like that.

That's helpful.

或类似的东西。

这很有帮助。

I've said that a few times.

If there's like kids in the room.

我已经说过好几次了。

如果房间里有孩子的话。

Exactly.

确切地。

Yeah.

I've had a bit of uncertainty about how I feel about children listening to

是的。

因此 ，我对孩子们听《简单英语新闻日报》的感受有点不确定，

Simple English News Daily because of that because the truth is death makes the news.

因为事实是死亡会成为新闻。

It's one of those things which which happens, you know almost every day.

这是你几乎每天都知道的事情之一。

When quite a lot of people die, it's generally going to be in the news, you

当很多人死亡时，通常会出现在新闻中，你

know, even whether that's an earthquake or an attack or something, it just is.

知道，即使是地震、袭击或其他什么，它就是这样。

And yeah, I've heard quite a few people say, that they listen to SEND7 with their

是的，我听很多人说，他们和

children and I've often thought like,

孩子一起听 SEND7，我经常想，

"Hmm, I'm not sure how I feel about that."

“嗯，我不确定对此有何感受。”

But I suppose the truth is when I was a kid, I was listening to

但我想事实是，当我还是个孩子的时候，我

stuff on the news as well, so I guess, I guess it's the same.

也听过新闻，所以我想，我想是一样的。

They've got to grow up sometime.

他们总有一天会长大。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

And realise this world that we live in.

并认识到我们生活的这个世界。

But it's not all bad, in every episode of SEND7, there's always good

但这并不全是坏事，在 SEND7 的每一集中，

news as well, or some funny news or something random that happens as well.

也总是有好消息，或者一些有趣的消息或随机发生的事情。

We cover stories from every continent, so there's something from Europe every day,

我们报道来自各大洲的故事，所以每天都有来自欧洲的内容，

something from Asia, an Oceania every day, something from Africa every day and

每天都有来自亚洲的内容，每天都有大洋洲的内容，每天都有来自非洲的内容，

something from the Americas every day.

每天都有来自美洲的内容。

And yeah, so there's always going to be a mix.

是的，所以总会有混合的情况。

There's going to be something bad, but there's always going to be

总会有一些糟糕的事情，但

something light hearted as well.

也 总会有 一些轻松愉快的事情。

So, touching on that, I had a look to see if I could find any kind of good fun

因此，谈到这一点，我看看是否能

stories knocking around the news recently.

在最近的新闻中找到任何有趣的故事。

And I found one, I don't know if you came across this story about the

我找到了一个，我不知道你是否听说过这个关于

thong-wearing protesters in Australia.

澳大利亚穿丁字裤抗议者的故事。

No, I've not heard that, no.

Okay.

不，我没听说过，不。

好的。

Let me read this to you.

让我读给你听。

Hang on a minute though.

不过请稍等一下。

Go on.

Thongs in Australia means...

继续。 丁字裤在澳大利亚的意思是……

No, but I'm talking about swimwear, bare bottoms.

不，但我说的是泳装、裸裤。

Ah, okay.

啊好吧。

Not the sandals!

Because I think thongs in Australia mean sandals, right?

不是凉鞋！

因为我认为澳大利亚的丁字裤就是凉鞋，对吗？

Yeah, yeah, it does.

是的，是的，确实如此。

I think it's more slang though, so I think it depends on where in Australia.

我认为这更多是俚语，所以我认为这取决于澳大利亚的哪个地方。

I'm not 100 per cent sure on that, but.

我对此不是百分百确定，但是。

Yeah.

But yeah, the, the story I saw says, throngs of thong-wearing protesters,

是的。

但是，是的，我看到的故事说，成群结队的穿着丁字裤的抗议者，

I love that, throngs of thong-wearing protesters bared their bums on

我喜欢这一点，成群结队的穿着丁字裤的抗议者在

Australia's Gold Coast as they showed their opposition to calls for

澳大利亚黄金海岸裸露屁股，因为他们反对禁止

a ban on g-string bikini bottoms.

丁字裤比基尼的 呼吁 下装。

The demonstration was called free the peach.

这次示威活动被称为“解放桃子”。

And it's, yeah, it's because some people are calling, saying the

是的，这是因为有些人呼吁，说最

skimpiest swimwear is just demeaning to women, that it's objectifying them,

暴露的泳衣只是对女性的侮辱，它是对女性的物化，

and it's unpleasant, and it should be banned, and other people are like, we

这是令人不愉快的，应该被禁止，而其他人则认为，我们

should have the freedom to bare our bums if that's what we want to do.

应该有裸露的自由我们的流浪汉，如果那是我们想做的。

I thought that was quite an interesting story.

我认为这是一个非常有趣的故事。

Yeah, but then, I mean, if you really want to get into the politics of just how big

是的，但是，我的意思是，如果你真的想了解

some underwear, some beachwear has to be.

一些内衣、沙滩装必须有多大的政治问题。

I mean, are you gonna have police going up and down the beach?

我的意思是，你会让警察在海滩上来回巡逻吗？

Well that's the thing, yeah.

Checking the, checking the size of everybody's...

嗯，就是这样，是的。

检查，检查每个人的尺寸……

Yeah, at what point do you start, can you show a little bit of your butt?

是的，你从什么时候开始，你能展示一下你的屁股吗？

Or does it have to be fully covered?

还是必须全部覆盖？

I mean, yeah.

我的意思是，是的。

Yeah, you're gonna get the ruler out and start measuring people on the beach.

是的，你要拿出尺子开始测量海滩上的人。

It doesn't sound great.

听起来不太好。

I think I'm going to be with the bare bummers on that story.

我想我会和这个故事中的那些无赖们站在一起。

Yeah.

是的。

I can understand wanting to bare your bum if you've got lots of sunshine.

如果你有充足的阳光，我可以理解想要裸露你的屁股。

It's nothing worse than having that, what we call the bikini line, you know,

没有什么比我们所说的比基尼线更糟糕的了，你知道，

the tan line, cutting your bum in half.

晒黑线，把你的屁股切成两半。

Did you see the one about the Guinness World Records oldest dog?

你看过关于吉尼斯世界纪录最长寿狗的故事吗？

Yes.

Do you know what?

是的。

你知道什么吗？

I've even followed that story quite, quite a bit, actually,

事实上，我什至非常非常关注这个故事，

because SEND7 reported on that.

因为 SEND7 对此进行了报道。

It must have been, ooh, maybe, maybe six months ago or something when Bobby.

一定是，哦，也许，也许六个月前，或者鲍比的时候。

Yeah, Bobby the dog.

是的，鲍比狗。

When Bobby the Portuguese dog actually won the award for the oldest dog.

当葡萄牙狗鲍比实际上赢得了最年长狗的奖项时。

And then, then we reported when he died a few months later, in October, there

然后，我们报道了他几个月后去世的消息，十月份，就这样

you go, I know this story quite a bit.

，我对这个故事了解很多。

Oh, good memory!

哦，记性真好！

I think he was supposed to be 31, and then...

我想他应该是 31 岁，然后……

Yeah, 31 and 165 days old.

是的，31 岁又 165 天。

There you go, there you go.

就这样，就这样。

But it was only recently that the Guinness World Records have taken it away.

但直到最近才被吉尼斯世界纪录取消。

They've stripped him of his title.

他们剥夺了他的头衔。

They've stripped him of his title, exactly right, saying that

他们剥夺了他的头衔，完全正确，说

there wasn't enough evidence.

没有足够的证据。

And I think it was because the owners in these old registries from the 90s,

我认为这是因为这些 90 年代的旧登记处的主人

they were allowed to write in their own date of birth of the dog, and

被允许写下自己狗的出生日期，而且

because they were allowed to write it in themselves, the Guinness World

因为他们被允许写在自己身上，吉尼斯世界

Record says, actually, we don't have enough proof that that's actually true.

纪录说，实际上，我们没有足够的证据证明这是真的。

You could have just made that up.

你本可以编造出来的。

So they've taken it away.

所以他们把它拿走了。

They've got to maintain their high standards, right?

他们必须保持高标准，对吗？

So, they can't just say we'll take your word for it.

所以，他们不能只是说我们会相信你的话。

What they've now gone back to saying was the oldest dog was this dog called

他们现在回过头来说，最古老的狗是这只

Bluey from Australia who was around in 1935 or something like that, which

来自澳大利亚的名叫 Bluey 的狗，大约在 1935 年左右，它

was 29 and I think really that those records can't be that good either right?

已经 29 岁了，我真的认为这些记录也不会那么好，对吧？

From the 1930s of a dog.

来自 20 世纪 30 年代的一只狗。

Yeah, how can you prove that?

是啊，你怎么证明这一点呢？

These dogs have got a life expectancy of like 12 to 14 years.

这些狗的预期寿命约为 12 至 14 年。

And so, to live like nearly 30 or over 30 years is it's like a person

所以，活到近 30 岁或超过 30 岁就像一个人

getting to, you know, 180, 190, it seems a little bit far-fetched to me.

活到 180 岁、190 岁一样，对我来说这似乎有点牵强。

It does, yeah!

确实如此，是啊！

The other things that popped up in the news for me that I

新闻中出现的其他我认为

thought were interesting, both are around dental news, nashers.

有趣的事情，都与牙科新闻有关。

The first is that some children, I think, this is specifically in America, are being

第一个是，我认为，特别是在美国，

gifted like a hundred dollar bills and designer jewellery by the tooth fairy.

牙仙子会向一些孩子赠送一百美元的钞票和名牌珠宝等礼物。

Wow!

哇！

Yeah.

Those are some spoiled children.

是的。

那些都是一些被宠坏的孩子。

Yeah.

Did you ever have a visit from the tooth fairy when you were growing up?

是的。 在你的成长过程中，有没有遇到过牙仙子来拜访过？

Do you know what, we didn't do that in my family, actually.

你知道吗，实际上我们家并没有这样做。

No?

不？ 但我知道……

But I know...

What did you do with your teeth when they fell out?

你的牙齿脱落后做了什么？

Just...

只是……

I can't remember.

我不记得了。

Stuck them in the bin.

把它们塞进垃圾桶里。

Yeah.

No, no, I think I kept them somewhere lying around.

是的。

不，不，我想我把它们放在某个地方了。

I didn't do, didn't do the tooth fairy.

我没有做，没有做牙仙子。

We had the tooth fairy.

我们有牙仙子。

I think it was like we got 20 pence or 50 pence if we were a little older, perhaps.

我想，如果我们年纪再大一点，也许我们就能得到 20 便士或 50 便士。

That sounds reasonable.

听起来很有道理。

Yeah.

是的。

So for those listening who aren't familiar with the tooth fairy, the tooth

所以对于那些不熟悉牙仙子的听众来说，

fairy visits when you lose a tooth, one of your milk teeth or your baby

当你失去一颗牙齿时，牙仙子就会来拜访，一颗乳牙或乳牙

teeth, you've put it under your pillow.

，你把它放在枕头下。

And then as you sleep, the tooth fairy will come and replace your

然后当你睡觉时，牙仙子会过来

tooth with a gift, a coin, usually.

用礼物（通常是硬币）替换你的牙齿。

If you've got good teeth, if you've got rotten teeth and you haven't been

如果你有好牙，如果你有烂牙，而且你没有

brushing your teeth and looking after them, then she doesn't want your teeth.

刷牙和照顾牙齿，那么她就不需要你的牙齿。

But yeah, I mean, it's crazy if these kids are getting like designer

但是，是的，我的意思是，如果这些孩子喜欢名牌

jewellery and hundred dollar bills, that is definitely a spoiled child.

珠宝和百元大钞，那就太疯狂了，那绝对是一个被宠坏的孩子。

I would...

Absolutely, yeah.

我会... 绝对，是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Anyway, the other tooth story is about Winston Churchill's false teeth.

不管怎样，另一个牙齿故事是关于温斯顿·丘吉尔的假牙。

Oh, yes.

哦是的。

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I heard about that one.

耶耶耶。

我听说过那个。

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

耶耶耶。

They were snapped up.

他们被抢购一空。

I love that.

They were snapped up at auction for 18,000 pounds.

我喜欢那个。

它们在拍卖会上以 18,000 英镑的价格被抢购一空。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah, amazing.

Can you imagine?

是的，太棒了。

你可以想象？

Yeah.

I wonder what people are going to do with those.

是的。

我想知道人们会用这些做什么。

I suppose they're not going to be using them and going,

我想他们不会一边使用它们一边说：

"I've got Winston Churchill's false teeth in my mouth."

“我嘴里含着温斯顿·丘吉尔的假牙。”

No.

不，

Yeah.

Oh, can you?

是的。 哦，可以吗？

Ugh, yeah.

呃，是的。

Gross.

总的。

Yeah, but apparently that they he was wearing them in some particular speeches.

是的，但显然他在一些特定的演讲中戴着它们。

Yeah, we'll fight them on the beaches.

是的，我们会在海滩上与他们战斗。

Yeah.

Yeah.

是的。

是的。

And well, there are many famous speeches, but apparently he had

嗯，有很多著名的演讲，但显然他有

like four sets of false teeth.

四副假牙。

So, I don't think you can definitely say that the ones that you just spent 18,000

所以，我认为你不能肯定地说，你刚刚花了 18,000

pounds on all the ones that he wore specifically during those big speeches.

英镑买的那些都是他在那些重要演讲中专门穿的。

They might have just been his spare pair that sat in the back of a dusty drawer.

它们可能只是他放在布满灰尘的抽屉后面的备用鞋。

Yeah.

是的。

I do know of another auction story recently, actually, which was from a few

事实上，我最近确实知道另一个拍卖故事，这是几周前的事

weeks ago that was somebody wanted to sell this big cabinet, like a wardrobe

，有人想在拍卖会上出售这个大柜子，就像拍卖会上的衣柜一样

at auction, that they thought was from like the 1830s or something like that.

，他们认为它来自 1830 年代或类似的东西。

So, like almost 200 years old.

所以，差不多有200岁了。

And when they were going to be taking it to the auction house,

当他们准备把它带到拍卖行时，

they found a lemon inside it and the lemon had an inscription.

他们发现里面有一个柠檬，柠檬上有一个铭文。

So, like, somebody had written on this lemon that, and it said,

所以，就像有人在这个柠檬上写了这样的话，上面写着

"From somebody to somebody"

“从某人到某人”，

I think it was 1780 something.

我认为这是 1780 年的事。

So, like, it was, the lemon was 250 or 270 years old or something like that.

所以，柠檬已经有 250 或 270 年之类的历史了。

Sorry, if I'm getting this story wrong.

抱歉，如果我理解错了这个故事。

And so, they found this lemon in the wardrobe and then they put that on auction

所以，他们在衣柜里发现了这个柠檬，然后他们把它放在拍卖会上

instead and it was shown to be, you know that that old 270 years old or something

，结果显示，你知道，那个有 270 年历史的柠檬什么的

and that sold for a few thousand pounds.

，卖了几千英镑。

And the wardrobe only got like 40 pounds.

而衣柜的重量只有 40 磅左右。

Wow.

哇。

Yeah.

The things people want.

是的。 人们想要的东西。

It's crazy what people spend their money on.

人们把钱花在什么地方真是太疯狂了。

It is.

这是。

Yeah.

Yeah.

是的。 是的。

Totally.

完全。

I don't know whether I would prefer to have a really old lemon or Winston

我不知道我是否更喜欢真正的老柠檬或温斯顿·

Churchill's false teeth, but yeah.

丘吉尔的假牙，但是是的。

So coming back to our lovely learners.

回到我们可爱的学习者身上。

How would you suggest that an English learner can make the most

您建议英语学习者如何充分

of learning English through news?

利用新闻学习英语？

Yeah.

是的。

I suppose from my perspective of how I've used the news as a learner,

我想从我作为学习者如何使用新闻的角度来看，

it's primarily been from having this contact with it every day.

这主要是来自于每天的接触。

So just having, it's such an easy thing to slip into your routine, to listen to

所以，进入你的日常生活是一件很容易的事情，听

the news, you know, like when I go down and make myself a breakfast, I put on

新闻，你知道，就像当我下楼给自己做早餐时，我会听

French radio for 10 minutes or something.

法国广播 10 分钟之类的。

And it's just like a routine that I have every day.

这就像我每天的例行公事一样。

And it's easy to do that with, with the news.

通过新闻很容易做到这一点。

So, it's, it's good for people who, even if they're not like actively

所以，这对那些人来说是有好处的，即使他们不喜欢积极主动

learning English, it's a good way to kind of keep up with it.

学习英语，这是跟上英语水平的好方法。

But then for people who want to do it more actively and actually engage more

但对于那些想要更积极地做这件事并更多地参与

with their contents, then they can.

他们的内容的人来说，那么他们可以。

If they're following a story every day, then it can be easier to pick up more

如果他们每天都关注一个故事，那么就可以更容易地

and more words from the same story.

从同一个故事中学到越来越多的单词。

If they know about a story in their own language, then they're more

如果他们知道自己语言的故事，那么他们更有

likely to understand it in English.

可能理解英语的故事。

Because of the context.

因为上下文。

Exactly, yeah, the context.

没错，是的，上下文。

And then of course if they really want to, well, with something like

当然，如果他们真的想要，那么，使用像

SEND7, they could print out their transcripts, or be following it

SEND7 这样的东西，他们可以打印出他们的成绩单，或者

by reading it at the same time.

同时阅读它。

There's some activities they can do.

他们可以做一些活动。

Yeah, and then you can go ahead and report to other people what you've heard.

是的，然后你可以继续向其他人报告你所听到的内容。

You can discuss, you know, my partner and I, we often, if I go out in the car and

你知道，我和我的伴侣，我们经常讨论，如果我开车出去

I've listened to a radio, like, you listen to LBC just, just because occasionally...

听广播，比如，你只是偶尔听 LBC……

It's great.

...I find it interesting.

这太棒了。 ……我觉得很有趣。

They discuss things a little bit more in-depth.

他们对事情的讨论更深入一些。

And I will often come back after listening to that and say,

我常常会在听完之后回来说：

"Oh, did you hear about this?"

“哦，你听说过这个吗？”

And so then we discuss it and I say,

然后我们讨论这个问题，我说，

"Oh, well, apparently."

“哦，好吧，显然。”

And I'd give him more details about the story and then he'll take it or

我会给他更多关于这个故事的细节，然后他会接受或者

leave it completely ignore me perhaps.

完全忽略我。

But your listeners, or anyone who's learning English through news can use

但是你的听众，或者任何通过新闻学习英语的人都可以将

that as an activity to then take what they're hearing, make some notes of

其作为一项活动，然后记录他们所听到的内容，记下一些

the interesting vocabulary, that's, specifically attached to that story

有趣的词汇，即专门附加到该故事的内容

and then replay it, go and retell it to someone using that vocabulary,

，然后重播它，去复述它给使用该词汇的人，

so that you're actually kind of making it more active for yourself.

这样你实际上就可以让自己变得更加活跃。

Yeah.

Well, let's think about the four things now.

是的。 好吧，现在让我们考虑一下这四件事。

So, listening, well, you're listening to it anyway.

所以，听，好吧，无论如何你都在听。

So that's the idea.

这就是我们的想法。

Reading, you can obviously read the news.

阅读，你显然可以阅读新闻。

If you're listening to SEND7, you can read the transcripts.

如果您正在收听 SEND7，则可以阅读文字记录。

Or reading any other part of the news that you can that you can find

或者阅读新闻的任何其他部分，你可以找到

writing you can challenge yourself.

可以挑战自己的写作。

So, you can say you can make yourself try to write in your own words something that

所以，你可以说你可以让自己尝试用自己的话写一些

you've just been hearing about in India.

你刚刚在印度听到的东西。

Or writing a text to a friend.

或者给朋友写短信。

Did you hear about the bare bottom protest in Australia?

你听说过澳大利亚的裸臀抗议活动吗？

Yeah, fantastic Yeah, exactly.

是的，太棒了 是的，完全正确。

Yeah.

Yeah.

是的。

是的。

Yeah start a conversation with a friend like that.

是的，开始与这样的朋友交谈。

And of course speaking you can do the same thing.

当然，说起来你也可以做同样的事情。

Talk to your friend about it.

和你的朋友谈谈这件事。

If you don't have somebody to talk to, talk to yourself.

如果你没有人可以倾诉，那就自言自语。

Like, I used to do that when I was in Argentina, when I was by myself.

就像，当我在阿根廷的时候，当我一个人的时候，我经常这样做。

Just walk around talking to yourself.

就到处走走，自言自语。

Yeah.

是的。

Talk to myself in Spanish.

用西班牙语自言自语。

Yeah.

Maybe if I was in public, then maybe just in my head.

是的。

也许如果我在公共场合，那么也许就在我的脑海里。

But, yeah, yeah.

但是，是的，是的。

Just try and think, how do I say that?

试着想一想，我该怎么说呢？

If I wanted to say this, how would I say this?

如果我想说这个，我该怎么说呢？

Yeah.

是的。

Fantastic.

There you go.

极好的。

就这样吧。

I've got one last question for you.

我还有最后一个问题要问你。

So, one thing I struggle with when I'm including factual or historical

因此，当我 在内容中 包含事实或历史片段时，我遇到的一件事

pieces within my content is pronunciation of names and places.

是名称和地点的发音。

How do you make sure that you're pronouncing things correctly?

你如何确保你的发音正确？

I recently did an episode which hasn't been released yet that includes talking

我最近制作了一集尚未发布的节目，其中包括谈论

about chess grandmasters and there's a Russian chap who was a chess grandmaster.

国际象棋特级大师，其中有一个俄罗斯小伙子是国际象棋特级大师。

I can't remember his name off the top of my head.

我一时想不起他的名字。

Garry Kasparov.

加里·卡斯帕罗夫。

Kasparov.

卡斯帕罗夫。

Kasparov.

And I think I was calling Garry Kaspernov or something.

卡斯帕罗夫。 我想我是在给加里·卡斯珀诺夫（Garry Kaspernov）打电话。

It was completely messing it up.

这完全搞砸了。

And then one of my team, who's Ukrainian, was like, you've mispronounced this quite

然后我的团队中的一位乌克兰人说，你已经念错好

a few times, you might want to record it.

几次了，你可能想把它录下来。

I probably have as well.

我可能也有。

I've, I've, I've said Kasparov because I've read that myself.

我、我、我说过卡斯帕罗夫，因为我自己读过。

I think in Russian it's Kasparov.

我认为俄语中是卡斯帕罗夫。

Yeah, it could be.

是的，可能是。

Yeah, it could be.

Yeah, but I'd completely, I'd really, really made mincemeat of

是的，可能是。 是的，但我完全，我真的，真的把

the name and it happens a lot.

这个名字弄得一团糟，而且这种事经常发生。

I completely mispronounce names and places and how do you make

我完全错误地发音了名字和地点，你如何确保

sure that you're not doing that?

你没有这样做？

Wow.

I'm going to sound like an advert right now.

哇。

我现在听起来就像是一则广告。

So, disclaimer, this is not an advert, right?

所以，免责声明，这不是广告，对吧？

But honestly, there's this website called Forvo, which I use all the time.

但老实说，有一个名为 Forvo 的网站，我一直在使用它。

I've never been asked this question before, by the way, Anna, and this is

顺便说一句，安娜，我以前从未被问过这个问题，这是

the first time I've ever been asked this, but I use it all the time.

我第一次被问到这个问题，但我一直在使用它。

If I'm ever not sure how to pronounce a name there's this website called

如果我不确定如何发音一个名字，可以使用这个名为

Forvo and it's just a website of people pronouncing words, but mostly names.

Forvo 的网站，它只是一个人们发音单词的网站，但主要是名字。

Yeah, can you can you spell that out for me?

是的，你能帮我拼出来吗？

F O R V O.

FORV O.

Okay,

好的，

F O R V O.

I guess it's dot com.

FORV O.

我猜是 .com。

I think I can't remember.

我想我记不起来了。

Yeah, I use it all the time.

是的，我一直用它。

So...

Fantastic.

所以... 太棒了。

I will...

Almost every day.

我会...

几乎每天。

...add that to my list of resources.

...将其添加到我的资源列表中。

That's brilliant.

太精彩了。

It's really really useful and you and they generally have a few

它真的非常有用，而且你和他们通常也会有一些

different people saying it as well.

不同的人这么说。

So, it's just people recording themselves saying that name and it

因此，这只是人们记录自己说这个名字的过程，这

shows the country that the person who is speaking comes from as well.

表明说话的人也来自哪个国家。

So, you might have a Ukrainian saying Gary Kasparov.

所以，你可能会听到乌克兰语“加里·卡斯帕罗夫”（Gary Kasparov）。

But you might have a Russian saying Gary Kasparov.

但你可能有一句俄语叫加里·卡斯帕罗夫（Gary Kasparov）。

I don't know and you can hear it and choose your favourite one.

我不知道，你可以听一下并选择你最喜欢的一个。

Yeah, fantastic.

Really useful.

是的，太棒了。

真的很有用。

Yeah, that's a really, really useful little resource you've shared with me.

是的，这是您与我分享的一个非常非常有用的小资源。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Yeah, no problem.

是的，没问题。

Well, thank you so much for being here and if my listeners would like to come

好吧，非常感谢您来到这里，如果我的听众想过来

over and start adding news to their daily routine, where can they find you?

并开始在他们的日常生活中添加新闻，他们在哪里可以找到您？

Well, if they're listening in a podcast app, then they can

好吧，如果他们在播客应用程序中收听，那么他们可以

search Simple English News Daily.

搜索《简单英语新闻日报》。

Simple English News Daily.

简单的英文新闻日报。

Or if they don't have a podcast app, well, you should go and get one

或者，如果他们没有播客应用程序，那么您应该去下载一个，

because podcast apps are the best.

因为播客应用程序是最好的。

Yeah.

I can recommend Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Pocket Casts, Castbox, whatever.

是的。

我可以推荐 Spotify、Apple Podcasts、Pocket Casts、Castbox 等等。

But it's also on send7.org.

但它也在 send7.org 上。

So S E N D 7 .org.

所以发送 7.org。

And just in case you didn't pick up on it before, SEND7 stands for

以防万一您之前没有注意到，SEND7 代表

Simple English News Daily and the 7 is seven minutes because it's

简单英语新闻日报，7 是七分钟，因为它

a seven minute podcast every day.

每天都是一个七分钟的播客。

So, there you go.

那么，就这样吧。

Fantastic.

极好的。

Well, it's been an absolute pleasure.

嗯，这绝对是一种乐趣。

So, thank you for joining.

所以，感谢您的加入。

I will put your links in the description and in the show notes so

我会将您的链接放在说明和演出注释中，以便

that it can be easily found as well.

也可以轻松找到。

Take very good care.

好好照顾。

And until next time, goodbye.

直到下次，再见。

Bye.

再见。

Thanks for having me, Anna.

谢谢你邀请我，安娜。

Bye.

再见。