Trip Down Memory Lane with Rock n' Roll English - British English Podcast

You are listening to the English Like A Native Podcast.

您正在收听“像母语一样英语”播客。

This is not your typical English language learning resource.

这不是典型的英语学习资源。

No, there are no textbooks.

不，没有教科书。

There are no grammar rules.

没有语法规则。

Instead, you just have the weird and wonderful version of English

相反，您只会 听到在英国听到的

that you'll hear spoken in the UK.

奇怪而美妙的英语版本 。

So tune in for your daily dose of very ordinary chatter with

因此，请收看与一个非常普通的英国女孩的日常聊天

a very ordinary English girl.

。

I'm your host, Anna, and today we have a very special guest, the host of

我是你们的主持人安娜，今天我们有一位非常特别的客人， 摇滚英语播

podcast Rock n' Roll English,

客的主持人 ，

which is very funny.

这很有趣。

You should check it out.

你应该检查一下。

Yes, today we have Martin with us and we are going to be discussing our thoughts

是的，今天马丁和我们在一起，我们将讨论我们

on the changing British High Street.

对不断变化的英国大街的想法。

Now, I must also mention before I bring Martin in, that I was a guest on his

现在，在带马丁进来之前，我还必须提到，我是他播客的嘉宾

podcast and we had a very interesting chat about the differences between

，我们就

the North and the South of England.

英格兰北部和南部之间的差异进行了一次非常有趣的交谈。

So make sure you tune into that.

因此，请确保您对此进行调整。

I'll put the links in the description of this particular podcast episode.

我会将链接放在这个特定播客剧集的描述中。

So without further ado, let me introduce Martin.

话不多说，让我介绍一下马丁。

So, hi Martin, how are you?

那么，嗨马丁，你好吗？

Hello, Anna.

你好，安娜。

Very well, thanks.

很好，谢谢。

Thanks for having me on.

谢谢你邀请我参加。

Oh, thank you so much for joining me.

哦，非常感谢你加入我。

So, Martin, you have your own podcast, Rock n' Roll English.

所以，马丁，你有自己的播客，摇滚英语。

Firstly, the

首先，

name Rock n' Roll English,

摇滚英语这个名字，

are you a rock 'n' roll kind of guy?

你是摇滚类型的人吗？

Are you a musician of sorts?

您是某种音乐家吗？

I obviously get this question a lot and I do kind of feel a bit

显然我经常被问到这个问题，现在我确实觉得

stupid now for choosing that name.

选择这个名字有点愚蠢。

If I really think about it, the name was just,

如果我认真思考一下，这个名字只是，

'Oh, that sounds cool.

‘哦，听起来很酷。

I'll just use that.'

我就用那个。

In time, I've then since added, I'm not even sure if this story is true, but

后来我又补充道，我什至不确定这个故事是否属实，但这

it's a kind of rock 'n' roll spirit, like be who you want, say what you want.

是一种摇滚精神，就像做你想做的人，说你想说的话。

But yeah, am I a musician?

但是，是的，我是音乐家吗？

No, unfortunately.

不，不幸的是。

So what brought you into podcasting?

那么是什么让您进入播客领域呢？

'Cause you've been at it for quite a while now.

因为你已经从事这行有一段时间了。

Yeah, I have.

是的，我有。

It still seems to me, 'cause as I mentioned to you

在我看来仍然如此，因为正如我

in our pre-podcast chat,

在播客前的聊天中向你提到的那样，

I still have no idea what I'm doing.

我仍然不知道自己在做什么。

So it still seems to me like I'm a newbie.

所以在我看来我仍然是一个新手。

But obviously in this online world we live in, things move quite quick.

但显然，在我们生活的这个网络世界中，事情发展得很快。

So I've been doing it now for six and a half years, a little bit longer.

所以我现在已经这样做了六年半，甚至更长一些。

And yeah, I was a big podcast fan, like I still am.

是的，我是播客的忠实粉丝，现在仍然如此。

And I kind of just thought, you know what, I fancy having a go at this.

我只是想，你知道吗，我想尝试一下。

And I also, obviously I was teaching English anyway, and I never really had

而且我也，显然我是在教英语，我从来没有真正有

lots of, or much good listening material to give to my students and I actually

很多或很多好的听力材料可以给我的学生，而且我实际上

recorded the first probably 10 episodes that I didn't, like, publish anywhere,

录制了前大概 10 集，我没有在任何地方发布，

I literally just sent them manually via email to students and they all said,

我实际上只是通过电子邮件手动将它们发送给学生，他们都说：

"Oh no, this is brilliant!"

“哦，不，这太棒了！”

So then I thought,

然后我想，

'Right, let's do this.'

“好吧，我们就这么做吧。”

And it took me about two years to pluck up the courage to actually publish

我花了大约两年的时间才鼓起勇气在

it online, because I was so worried what everyone obviously would say.

网上发布它，因为我很担心每个人都会说些什么。

And yeah, that, that's how it started.

是的，事情就是这样开始的。

That's how I'm here.

我就是这样。

Yeah.

是的。

Fantastic.

And once you started, you didn't look back.

极好的。

一旦你开始了，你就不会回头。

Exactly.

确切地。

Yeah.

是的。

I often tell people this, that if you do things online, you will be surprised how

我经常告诉人们，如果你在网上做事，你会惊讶地发现

quickly people start paying attention.

人们开始关注的速度有多快。

And you know, I remember the first time I broke the hundred download

你知道，我记得当我第一次突破一百个下载

barrier and I was over the moon.

障碍时，我欣喜若狂。

I actually just couldn't believe it.

我真的不敢相信。

And I remember even looking at the countries and like there

我记得我什至看着这些国家，就像有

were countries very far away.

很远的国家一样。

And I was just thinking,

我当时就在想，

'Oh my God, I cannot believe this.'

‘天哪，我简直不敢相信这一点。’

And then, yeah, once you've got even just a small number like that of people

然后，是的，一旦你得到了哪怕只是一小部分人的

paying attention, it's surprising how much motivation you can find to keep going.

关注，你就会惊讶地发现有如此多的动力继续前进。

Yeah.

是的。

It's funny, isn't it, how we can be so nervous about

这很有趣，不是吗，我们怎么会对

doing something like podcasts.

做播客这样的事情如此紧张。

I mean, it's probably one of the safest forms of putting out

我的意思是，这可能是在线发布

content online because people don't really talk back to you.

内容的最安全的形式之一，因为人们不会真正跟你顶嘴。

You don't see the likes and the dislikes and you don't have the negative comments.

你看不到喜欢和不喜欢，也没有负面评论。

I occasionally get an email through but it's nowhere near the level of interaction

我偶尔会收到一封电子邮件，但它与我在其他社交平台上看到的互动水平相去甚远

I see on other social platforms, which is a blessing and a curse.

，这是一种祝福也是一种诅咒。

It's a blessing in the sense that I'm a little bit oblivious to what's going on.

从某种意义上说，这是一种祝福，因为我有点忘记了正在发生的事情。

I just put out the content and hope for the best, and, you know, it's great

我只是发布了内容并希望得到最好的结果，而且，你知道，很高兴

not to have the negativity that can

没有消极情绪可以

very quickly change the whole experience

很快改变

for me, but then it's a curse because you can't interact and know what's working

我的整个体验，但这就是一个诅咒，因为你无法互动并知道什么是有效的

well and what's not working so well.

好吧，还有什么地方不太顺利。

It's quite difficult to read the data.

读取数据是相当困难的。

You don't get much data really do you?

您真的没有获得太多数据吗？

Exactly.

确切地。

But yeah, that's obviously why I chose podcasting because I was, like

但是，是的，这显然就是我选择播客的原因，因为我害怕

scared to put my face out there.

将自己的脸暴露在那里。

In fact, even on my website, I had like a cartoon picture of me,

事实上，即使在我的网站上，我也有一张我的卡通图片，

which I still use, because I was too scared to show my actual face.

我仍然使用它，因为我太害怕展示我的真实面孔。

So yeah, it is actually a good place to start if you want to get started in the

所以，是的，如果您也出于这些原因想进入

online world for those reasons as well.

在线世界，那么这实际上是一个很好的起点。

Yeah.

是的。

And so Rock n' Roll English,

那么摇滚英语，

can people just find you on any streaming service?

人们可以在任何流媒体服务上找到你吗？

Any of the big podcast apps.

任何大型播客应用程序。

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's on all of them.

是的，我很确定他们所有人都有。

I'm not sure, but Spotify, Apple Podcast, Podcast Addict.

我不确定，但是 Spotify、Apple Podcast、Podcast Addict。

I don't know.

The list goes on and on.

我不知道。 这样的例子不胜枚举。

Yeah.

是的。 我确信未来几年还会出现更多这样的情况。

And I'm sure there'll be more popping up over the coming years as well.

And your podcast is...

你的播客是......

well, it's hilarious and it's quite different, I'd say, to some of the

嗯，它很搞笑，而且我想说，它与其他一些

other listening resources that are out there, because you're just kind of

收听资源有很大不同，因为你有点像

like, anything goes really, aren't you?

，任何事情都会发生，不是吗？ ？

It's very relaxed.

很放松。

It's rock 'n' roll!

Very real, very rock 'n' roll.

这是摇滚乐！

非常真实，非常摇滚。

Exactly.

确切地。

Uh, yeah.

呃，是的。

And that was another part of the reasoning of just having a chat with some friends.

这也是与一些朋友聊天的另一个原因。

So the people I generally talk to are really close friends, like some of which,

所以我通常交谈的人都是非常亲密的朋友，就像其中一些人一样，

we've been friends since we were four.

我们从四岁起就一直是朋友。

Wow!

哇！

We went to school together, so we are really close friends.

我们一起上学，所以我们是非常亲密的朋友。

They obviously, they know nothing about teaching English.

显然，他们对英语教学一无所知。

They've got normal jobs, let's say, and we just have a bit of a chat and then

比方说，他们有正常的工作，我们只是聊了一会儿，然后

afterwards, like, analyse what we've spoken about because, yeah, I was and

分析我们所说的内容，因为，是的，我曾经并且

still am learning Italian, so, and I was listening to Italian podcasts and,

仍在学习意大利语，所以，我在听听意大利播客，

like, you listen to one about, like, Sicilian poetry in the, like, the 15th

比如，你听一首关于 15 世纪的西西里诗歌，是的，

century, which, yeah, is interesting, but sometimes you're just like, I

这很有趣，但有时你会想，我

would rather just listen to a couple of people having a chat, so that's kind

宁愿只听几首人们在聊天，所以这就是

of what I thought I actually got as well inspiration from a podcast called

我认为我实际上从一个名为“

My Dad Wrote a Porno I'm, not sure if you've ever heard of that podcast.

我爸爸写色情片”的播客中得到的灵感，我不确定你是否听说过那个播客。

I haven't.

我没有。

So it's obviously an English podcast for English people,

所以这显然是一个针对英国人的英语播客，

but anyone can listen to it.

但任何人都可以收听。

It's hilarious, where this guy's dad wrote a very exotic book and

这很搞笑，这家伙的爸爸写了一本非常奇特的书，

they just go through the book and just read it and just have a laugh.

他们只是浏览这本书，读完它，然后就开怀大笑。

And it was brilliant.

这真是太棒了。

I used to love listening to that.

我以前很喜欢听这个。

And again, so I just thought I'd like to make something like this of just

再说一遍，所以我只是想制作这样的东西来

entertaining people, just talking about random things and having a bit of a laugh.

娱乐人们，只是谈论随机的事情并开怀大笑。

So that's what we do.

这就是我们所做的。

Okay.

So today, we're going to talk about the high street.

好的。

那么今天我们就来聊一聊高街。

I tend to have a kind of British theme in some of my podcasts, kind

我的一些播客中倾向于有一种英国主题，

of talking about British culture.

谈论英国文化。

And, you know, I like to also be a little bit nostalgic, and look back at

而且，你知道，我也喜欢怀旧一点，回顾

how things have changed over the years.

这些年来事情的变化。

Every time I'm driving down the high street these days,

这些天，每次我开车走在大街上时，

I'm always looking and going,

我总是一边看着一边说：

"Oh my goodness, it's changed so much."

“天哪，变化太大了。”

I used to love going to the high street when I was a kid and just hanging

当我还是个孩子的时候，我曾经喜欢去大街，只是闲逛

out and spending my pocket money, spending time there with my friends.

，花我的零用钱，和我的朋友一起在那里度过时光。

And these days it's a very different environment.

如今，环境已大不相同。

All the shops have changed and the variety, what's on offer has changed.

所有的商店都变了，品种、提供的商品也变了。

So I was living in Italy until last year.

所以直到去年我一直住在意大利。

And so I lived in Italy for like 12 years.

我在意大利生活了大约 12 年。

So I noticed this thing a lot, because every time I come back, and I'd be like,

所以我经常注意到这件事，因为每次我回来，我都会说，

"What, like JJB's closed?!"

“什么，JJB 关门了？！”

Which was a sports shop.

那是一家体育用品店。

And so yeah, I noticed this change in the local high street.

是的，我注意到当地大街的这种变化。

Yeah.

And even, now when I still go in, I'm still sometimes shocked

是的。

甚至，现在当我仍然进去时，

when I go into town, as we say.

正如我们所说，当我进城时，我有时仍然会感到震惊。

So yeah, I noticed this change.

是的，我注意到了这个变化。

You were taken aback by these changes.

这些变化让你大吃一惊。

Yeah, absolutely.

是的，绝对是。

But first of all, we call it the high street.

但首先，我们称之为大街。

Now this only occurred to me a couple of days ago when I knew we

几天前，当我知道我们

were going to record this podcast.

要录制这个播客时，我才想到这一点。

Like, I'm not sure if it's the same in every country, every, anything you

就像，我不确定每个国家是否都一样，你

drive down tends to have its own name.

开过的每一个东西往往都有自己的名字。

So we have roads, streets, avenues.

所以我们有道路、街道、大道。

Drives.

Drives.

驱动器。

驱动器。

Yeah.

是的。

So you might have Anna Drive.

所以你可能有安娜大道。

I don't think you'd have Anna Drive, but whatever it would...

我不认为你会拥有安娜大道，但无论如何......

King Drive.

国王大道。

But the high street is not always called 'High Street'.

但高街并不总是被称为“高街”。

And I realised, oh, but we refer to every thoroughfare in the kind of

我意识到，哦，我们把某个地区中心的每条大道都称为

centre of an area, as the high street.

大街。

So a thoroughfare being like a route, a path that people go through.

因此，大道就像一条路线，一条人们经过的路径。

And it's usually they've got a lot of footfall if there's a thoroughfare.

如果有大道的话，通常会有很多人流。

It means there's a lot of people coming through that particular route.

这意味着有很多人经过该特定路线。

So it's like the main street within a town where there are

所以它就像城镇内的主要街道，

shops on either side of the street.

街道两边都有商店。

So it's normally around where there'd be a train station or a bus station, you

所以它通常是在有火车站或公共汽车站的地方，你

know, somewhere where lots of people are.

知道，在很多人聚集的地方。

And we refer to that in every single town as a high street, even if it's

我们在每个城镇中都将其称为高街，即使它

not called 'High Street', like, you know, it might be called Charles

不被称为“高街”，就像，你知道，它可能被称为查尔斯

Road, but it's the high street.

路，但它是高街。

Of course.

当然。

Have you ever thought about that?

你有没有想过这个问题？

Isn't that weird?

这不是很奇怪吗？

Yeah, no, I hadn't actually thought about it at all.

是的，不，我实际上根本没有考虑过这个问题。

But I would say certainly where I live, it would be...

但我肯定会说，在我住的地方，那会是……

And when I was a child, it was more common to say, "I'm going into town" than to

当我还是个孩子的时候，更常见的是说“我要去城里”而不是说

say like "I'm going to the high street."

“我要去大街” ”。

Or if you said, like, for example, I would only really

或者，如果你说，例如， 如果有人问

say high street if someone said,

“那家商店在哪里？”，

"Where is that shop?"

我只会真正 说大街。

And I would say,

"Oh, it's on the high street."

我会说，

“哦，它在大街上。”

Because in town there is the high street, which is...

因为镇上有大街，这是……

The main strip.

主要地带。

Which is the main strip.

这是主要条带。

Yeah, that's one way of putting it.

是的，这是一种表达方式。

But then you've obviously got a few streets going off that

但很明显，在远离那里的几条街道上

where there are still shops.

仍然有商店。

The high street where I live is like pedestrianised as well.

我住的大街也像步行街。

So there are no cars.

所以没有汽车。

When I was a child, it wasn't, but now it is.

当我还是个孩子的时候，不是这样，但现在是了。

Yeah.

How did they stop cars going down there?

是的。 他们如何阻止汽车下去？

Have they literally like paved the entire thing?

他们真的喜欢铺平整个东西吗？

So there's no road or have they put bollards in?

那么没有路或者他们安装了护柱吗？

No, no road.

不，没有路。

So I did look up the whole high street naming thing and what I found was the

所以我确实查了整个高街命名的事情，我发现

high street of any British town or city is normally the central retail thoroughfare,

任何英国城镇或城市的高街通常都是中央零售大道，

and as we've said, it's not necessarily called the high street, but in many cases

正如我们所说，它不一定被称为高街，但在许多地方在这种情况下，

it is called 'High Street' and it says in the English Midlands, high streets

它被称为“高街”，并且它说在英国中部地区，高街

are generally called 'Main Street'.

通常被称为“主街”。

However, in some towns like Norwich, no street is called 'High Street'.

然而，在诺里奇等一些城镇，没有街道被称为“高街”。

And whether this thoroughfare is called 'High Street' or not, the

无论这条大道是否称为“高街”，

high street is the common term that we use to discuss that main

高街都是我们用来讨论

thoroughfare where all the shops are.

所有商店所在的主干道的通用术语。

Now you can very quickly tell what an area is like based on the high street.

现在，您可以根据大街快速了解某个区域的情况。

So I think the high street is a clear reflection of a healthy

所以我认为商业街清楚地反映了一个健康的

town, so an unhealthy high street.

城镇，因此也是一条不健康的商业街。

I haven't thought about that either actually, but it is true.

实际上我也没有想过这一点，但这是事实。

100% true.

100%真实。

Yeah, absolutely.

是的，绝对是。

So if an area is quite deprived, then you're going to have a high street that's

因此，如果一个地区非常贫困，那么你就会看到一条看起来

looking, you know, quite unhealthy.

非常不健康的商业街。

And do you have any, can you kind of explain what an unhealthy

您能解释一下不健康的

high street would look like?

商业街是什么样子吗？

I would probably have a look at some of the shops on the high street.

我可能会去看看大街上的一些商店。

Empty units would be a really clear indication of an

空置的单位将非常清楚地表明该

unhealthy or deprived area.

区域不健康或贫困。

We saw that a lot after COVID.

新冠疫情之后我们经常看到这样的情况。

I don't know if you noticed that.

I was just about to say that.

我不知道你是否注意到这一点。

我正要这么说呢。

In fact, in my local high street, one of the big, most established shops, probably

事实上，在我当地的商业街，最知名的大商店之一，可能是

the biggest shop on the high street, Debenhams, which any person from the UK

商业街上最大的商店，Debenhams，任何来自英​​国的人

will know, shut, and that is still shut.

都会知道，它已经关门了，而且仍然关着。

Yeah, I think Debenhams, along with many other well-established chains,

是的，我认为 Debenhams 以及许多其他知名连锁店

have actually decided to cut down the number of stores that they have.

实际上已经决定减少他们拥有的商店数量。

They've brought a lot back because I guess the biggest problem is, well, rising

他们带回了很多东西，因为我想最大的问题是，

rents, the cost of everything is going up.

租金上涨，所有东西的成本都在上涨。

So actually, putting these stores in place is, just too expensive.

事实上，开设这些商店的成本太高了。

And I think online shopping has had a big impact on the high street.

我认为网上购物对商业街产生了很大的影响。

All you do now is just, oh, I need some batteries for my microphone.

你现在要做的只是，哦，我的麦克风需要一些电池。

Just go onto Amazon.

They'll be brought to my door.

只要去亚马逊就可以了。

他们会被带到我家门口。

And so going down to the shops, going to the high street just doesn't happen.

所以去商店、去大街是不可能的。

Oh, that's exactly what I do.

哦，这正是我所做的。

I'm too lazy to go out and go to the shop and buy some batteries.

我懒得出去去商店买一些电池。

So I'll just buy them on Amazon, which I know isn't great, but

所以我会在亚马逊上购买它们，我知道这不太好，但

obviously, and same as you, children, running a business like...

显然，和你们一样，孩子们，经营一家企业，比如……

No time.

没有时间。

No time at all.

根本没有时间。

So if I can save some time, I will.

所以如果我能节省一些时间，我会的。

Yeah, and I think it's also like, it's many things that you used

是的，我认为这也就像，你过去常常

to go to the high street for.

去大街买很多东西。

So a high street, it used to have a lot of things like a post office,

所以一条商业街，过去有很多东西，比如邮局、

the high street bank, because banking online wasn't always a thing.

商业街银行，因为网上银行并不总是存在。

And so you'd have your high street bank, your post office, then you'd

所以你会有你的大街银行，你的邮局，然后你会有

have things like your butcher, your baker, your candlestick maker.

像你的屠夫，你的面包师，你的烛台制造商之类的东西。

So I lived in Italy for 12 years where both of those things are really common and

我在意大利生活了 12 年，在那里，这两件事都很常见，尤其

so especially a baker like buying fresh bread we literally had one underneath

是对于喜欢购买新鲜面包的面包师来说，我们

our apartment in Italy, and you can literally smell the bread in the morning.

在意大利的公寓下面确实有一个，早上你几乎可以闻到面包的味道。

It was fantastic.

太棒了。

And there's literally nowhere now, there's no, like, local baker in the whole town.

现在几乎没有地方了，整个镇上都没有当地的面包师。

The closest thing sometimes is somewhere like Greggs, which...

有时最接近的东西是像格雷格斯这样的地方，...

I was gonna say Greggs!

我想说格雷格斯！

I think Greggs is better known for its, like, pasties, isn't it?

我认为 Greggs 以其馅饼之类的东西而闻名，不是吗？

Exactly.

确切地。

Yeah.

Again, just coming back, like having lived in Italy, I was in Sicily

是的。

再说一次，刚回来，就像在意大利生活过一样，我也在西西里岛

as well, which is obviously very different from the north of Italy,

，这显然与意大利北部有很大不同，

where all of these local family-run businesses are still very much a thing.

在那里所有这些当地的家族企业仍然很重要。

When I come back and when I did come back permanently, you just notice now

当我回来，当我永久回来时，你会注意到现在

everything is just chain, like a chain, like Greggs and even like restaurants.

一切都是连锁的，就像连锁店，就像格雷格斯，甚至就像餐馆。

There's like Bella Italia and like all of these, you don't get really

像 Bella Italia 之类的餐厅和所有这些餐厅一样，您不会

local, like family-run restaurants.

像家庭经营的餐厅那样真正本地化。

I mean, they still do exist, but they're really not very common these days.

我的意思是，它们仍然存在，但现在确实不太常见。

Yeah.

And they're certainly not on the high street.

是的。

而且它们肯定不在大街上。

I think, you know, what we mentioned about like rising rents has pushed

我想，你知道，我们提到的租金上涨等问题已经将

out the independents to other areas of town, but then they struggle

独立人士赶到了城镇的其他地区，但他们却

because there's not the footfall.

因为没有人流而陷入困境。

When you mentioned about bakers we, during the pandemic, obviously we had lockdown.

当你提到面包师时，我们在大流行期间显然进行了封锁。

We have an industrial estate close to our house and within that industrial

我们家附近有一个工业园，在那个工业

estate, there's a commercial baker who bakes breads and things for restaurants.

园内，有一个商业面包师，为餐馆烘烤面包和东西。

But obviously all the restaurants had closed down.

但显然所有的餐馆都关门了。

So they had all these ingredients.

所以他们拥有所有这些成分。

And so they just would open their shutters at certain times every day.

所以他们每天都会在特定的时间打开百叶窗。

And they'd say, you can queue up outside, obviously socially distanced,

他们会说，你可以在外面排队，显然要保持社交距离，

and we'll sell you whatever you need.

我们会卖给你任何你需要的东西。

We've got all freshly baked bread.

我们都有新鲜出炉的面包。

We've got pastries, everything.

我们有糕点，什么都有。

And even though we were in a time of socially distancing,

尽管我们正处于一个保持社交距离的时代，但

I, that felt really nice.

我感觉真的很好。

That kind of sense of...

那种感觉……

Yeah, I can imagine.

是的，我可以想象。

We were going out in our community to gather bread, we were going somewhere

我们去我们的社区收集面包，我们去其他地方

else to get eggs, and you would see all the people from the local

买鸡蛋，你会看到当地所有的人都

area buying their daily bread, not daily bread, you don't eat that much

买他们的日常面包，而不是日常面包，你不会

bread in a day, their weekly bread.

一次吃那么多面包。一天，他们每周的面包。

To be fair with two young boys, I do eat a lot of bread.

公平地对待两个小男孩，我确实吃了很多面包。

And that was quite nice.

那真是太好了。

And so after the lockdowns kind of, you know, eased off and everything started to

因此，在封锁放松之后，一切都开始恢复

go back to normal, they actually continued to provide a local community service

正常，他们实际上继续提供当地社区服务

because everyone was like, we like this.

，因为每个人都说，我们喜欢这样。

Yeah.

That was exactly how it was in Italy, like the local baker.

是的。 这正是意大利的情况，就像当地的面包师一样。

And yeah, I didn't really think about it, it has that also community feel to

是的，我并没有真正考虑过这一点，它也有一种社区的感觉，

it as well of actually seeing people instead of, like you said, buying

以及实际见到人们的感觉，而不是像你说的那样，

things on Amazon that come to your door and then you don't go outside

在亚马逊上购买送到你家门口的东西，然后你就不用出门了

so you don't actually see anyone.

所以你实际上看不到任何人。

I feel like on our high street and the streets coming off the high street

我觉得在我们的大街上以及大街附近的街道上

now just seem to be endless numbers of hairdressers and nail salons.

现在似乎有无数的理发店和美甲沙龙。

How many hairdressers can survive in one small area?

一小块地方能生存多少个理发师？

Really?

真的吗？

Do you go to the hairdressers?

你去理发店吗？

You have lots of lovely locks.

你有很多可爱的锁。

Not as much as I should, which I think you can clearly see, which

没有我应该做的那么多，我想你可以清楚地看到，这

again is part of the thing of just not wanting to leave the house.

又是不想离开家的一部分。

Well, not that I don't want to, just not having time and just my hair is the least

好吧，并不是我不想，只是没有时间，而且我的头发是

important thing on my list of priorities, but my six-month visit is coming up soon.

我的优先事项清单上最不重要的事情，但我为期六个月的访问即将到来。

Oh, I see.

So, probably again soon yeah.

我懂了。 所以，可能很快就会再次出现。

I never used to visit the hairdressers half as often as I do now that

我以前去理发店的次数从来没有现在的一半多，因为

I make videos that go online.

我制作了视频发布到网上。

For me, it just makes it much easier.

对我来说，这只会让事情变得更容易。

It looks a bit better when I've had it cut and I put a bit of colour in

当我把它剪下来并在里面加一点颜色

there to hide the greys, you know.

来隐藏灰色时，它看起来更好一点，你知道。

I've got to the point, I've got past caring now, so I've seen lots

我已经说到重点了，我现在已经不再关心了，所以我看过很多像

of videos of like me where I look terrible, but I just think phhh.

我这样的视频，我看起来很糟糕，但我只是觉得噗。

I think it's an age thing.

我认为这是一个年龄问题。

I think you just become much more comfortable in your own skin.

我认为你只会对自己的皮肤变得更加舒服。

I think when you're like at college and uni and surrounded by lots of

我想当你在大学里，周围有很多

other people and you're kind of you know trying to find a mate.

其他人时，你就会知道自己正在努力寻找伴侣。

Yeah, yeah.

You know when you're out on the dating scene, you're so concerned with who

是啊是啊。

你知道，当你在约会的时候，你非常关心自己

you are and how you're coming across to everybody that we just become a little,

是谁，以及你给每个人的印象，以至于我们变得有点，

we're just so inward looking at ourselves and then after a while you're like,

我们只是如此内向地审视自己，然后经过一段时间而你会说，

"Oh, this is who I am.

“哦，这就是我。

I'm happy in my life.

我的生活很快乐。

I've got my partner now.

我现在有了我的伴侣。

I don't have to impress anyone to keep them happy."

我不需要给任何人留下深刻的印象就能让他们快乐。”

Exactly.

确切地。

Yeah.

是的。

So there are a few other things that have that now are on the high

因此，现在大街上还有一些其他的东西

street, almost like a permanent thing.

，几乎就像是永久性的东西。

I don't know if you have these in your area, but they are vape shops.

我不知道你所在地区是否有这些，但它们是电子烟商店。

Yeah.

So obviously I don't smoke or anything, so I don't go into those shops.

是的。

显然我不抽烟或做任何事，所以我不去那些商店。

I have seen them a lot.

我见过他们很多次。

Yeah.

是的。

And also like mobile phone shops.

也喜欢手机店。

Quite recently I was quite shocked to find a shop on the high street.

最近，我很震惊地在大街上发现了一家商店。

The main street where normally you would find the best shops and

通常你会在主街上找到最好的商店，

there was a shop called iCrack.

其中有一家叫做 iCrack 的商店。

So it sounded like it was just selling dodgy iPhones.

所以听起来它只是在销售不可靠的 iPhone。

And I couldn't believe this shop existed.

我简直不敢相信这家店的存在。

I had to go in there because the the screen of my iPhone

我不得不去那里，因为我的 iPhone 屏幕

was broken and I didn't want...

And is that primarily what they do?

坏了，我不想……

他们主要就是这么做的吗？

They fix cracked phones?

他们修复破裂的手机吗？

Yeah, they had some other phone stuff like accessories.

是的，他们还有其他一些手机用品，比如配件。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

And they can fix things.

他们可以解决问题。

They said to me, whatever they said, I can't remember, it was

他们对我说，无论他们说什么，我不记得了，那是

about a year ago, but it convinced me it wasn't worth fixing.

大约一年前的事，但这让我相信它不值得修复。

So I had to get a new phone.

所以我必须买一部新手机。

I think my thing was, do I trust these people with my phone?

我想我的问题是，我是否相信这些人会使用我的手机？

Because you have to leave it there and the whole establishment

因为你必须把它留在那里，而整个机构

just didn't feel right.

感觉不太对劲。

Like I said, even the name iCrack put me off immediately.

就像我说的，即使是 iCrack 这个名字也立刻让我感到厌烦。

It's funny, isn't it?

很有趣，不是吗？

They tend to take the tiny units.

他们倾向于采用微小的单位。

So the teeny tiny shops where there's literally just room for a body

因此，那些很小的商店实际上只能容纳一个人

and then they're just surrounded, you know, head to toe in like

，然后他们就被包围了，你知道，从头到脚就像

accessories bulging from the walls.

从墙上凸出的配饰一样。

For those of people listening who've never heard the word vape,

对于那些从未听说过“vape”这个词的听众来说，

a vape is like a little um...

“vape”就像一个小嗯……

Electronic cigarette, is that the one?

电子烟，是这个吗？

Yeah it's like an e-cigarette.

是的，就像电子烟一样。

I think some of them are reusable, but they also have disposable vapes

我认为其中一些是可重复使用的，但他们

now, which have been all over the news recently because they're causing,

现在也有一次性电子烟，最近这些电子烟已经成为新闻焦点，因为

they're being just thrown around the streets and causing a problem.

它们被扔到街上并造成问题。

I don't see that vaping has a long future ahead of it.

我不认为电子烟有长远的未来。

You know, just like smoking has been falling out of favour.

你知道，就像吸烟已经失宠一样。

I don't know.

It's not probably the same in other countries.

我不知道。

其他国家的情况可能不太一样。

But smoking in the UK is definitely becoming less popular.

但在英国吸烟肯定越来越不流行了。

And drinking as well, drinking is becoming less popular.

喝酒也是一样，现在喝酒越来越不流行了。

I've heard this.

我听说过这个。

I've heard this.

Some of my friends told me this, but I didn't know.

我听说过这个。

我的一些朋友告诉我这个，但我不知道。

Over a pint in the...

喝了一品脱......

Yeah, I didn't know if this was true or just the fact that, so we were talking

是的，我不知道这是真的还是事实，所以我们谈论的是

about the younger generation because unfortunately now we're, you know...

年轻一代，因为不幸的是现在我们，你知道......

Old.

老了。

Getting towards.

走向。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

Middle-aged.

Getting very much towards middle age.

中年。

已经非常接近中年了。

So, well, they were talking about the younger generation saying they don't drink

所以，好吧，他们在谈论年轻一代说他们不再喝酒了

anymore and I was just saying, look, I think you're just talking like old people.

，我只是说，听着，我认为你只是像老年人一样说话。

I don't know if that's true because I very rarely go out

我不知道这是不是真的，因为我这些天很少出去

these days, so I wouldn't know.

，所以我不知道。

I think it is.

我觉得是这样的。

I think as people become more health-conscious, as more information

我认为，随着人们变得更加注重健康，随着越来越多的信息

is made available and there's been, there's more of a push for

可用，

people to look after themselves.

人们会更加努力地照顾自己。

And the pub, the good old, you know, British pub, that tradition is...

而酒吧，你知道，英国酒吧的传统是……

pubs are struggling.

酒吧正在苦苦挣扎。

A lot of pubs have been closing down, and it's certainly not...

很多酒吧都关门了，当然不是……

Yes, I've noticed that too.

是的，我也注意到了。

It's like people just don't go and hang out in the pubs

就像人们不再像

in the way that they used to.

以前那样去酒吧闲逛。

You know, it used to be very much a community thing and

你知道，这曾经是一个社区的事情，但

it's not the same anymore.

现在已经不一样了。

We have more bars and kind of like bistro pubs where you go and you go more for

我们有更多的酒吧，有点像小酒馆，你会去那里更多地吃饭，

the meal or maybe, but just like the kind of average pub where you'd go for

或者也许，但就像那种你会去

a smoke and a pint, that industry isn't thriving in the way that it used to.

抽烟和喝一品脱的普通酒吧一样，这个行业并没有蓬勃发展。像以前那样。

I have to make a confession.

我必须坦白。

I have actually recently become kind of teetotal with the exception of, like

事实上，我最近变得有点滴酒不沾，除了，

if it was a wedding or, you know, if it was my surprise birthday party, I'm

如果这是一场婚礼，或者，你知道，如果这是我的惊喜生日派对，我就

turning 50 and you know, they bought me a bottle of bubbly or something like that.

50 岁了，你知道，他们给我买了一瓶起泡酒之类的像那样。

Then I'd be like, of course I'm going to have a drink with you.

然后我就会说，我当然要和你喝一杯。

But yeah, I just decided that as boring as it might sound, I decided that

但是，是的，我只是决定，尽管听起来很无聊，但我决定

after I turned 40, I was just going to really cut everything out and just

在 40 岁之后，我要真正放弃一切，尽力

try and be as good as I could be...

做到最好……

Yeah that sounds good.

...with what I put in my body.

是的，这听起来不错。

……用我放入体内的东西。

I actually went out for the first time in a long time, like last

事实上，这是我很长一段时间以来第一次出去，就像上周

week, the weekend before this one.

，也就是这之前的周末。

And that was the first time in a very long time that I got like properly drunk.

这是很长一段时间以来我第一次喝醉了。

And yeah, we're talking years since the last time that had happened

是的，我们谈论的是距离上次发生这种事已经很多年了

and the next day I very much was thinking maybe teetotal is a better

，第二天我非常想，也许滴酒不沾是一个更好的

idea because it was horrific.

主意，因为这太可怕了。

The worst hangover ever.

有史以来最严重的宿醉。

How long did it take you to feel good again?

你花了多长时间才再次感觉良好？

Honestly, this is not an exaggeration, I think about a week like before I felt

老实说，这并不夸张，我想像以前一样一周，我感觉

100% because this was the first time I'd had a proper hangover with the children.

百分百，因为这是我第一次和孩子们一起真正宿醉。

And that also makes it a million times worse because you don't have any time

这也让情况变得更糟一百万倍，因为你没有任何时间

to just sit around doing nothing, which would be the ideal situation.

无所事事，而这将是理想的情况。

What time do your kids wake up in the morning?

您的孩子早上几点起床？

About six.

大约六点。

And so luckily it wasn't a late one.

幸运的是，这并没有迟到。

It was more of a daytime thing.

这更像是白天的事情。

So I was in by like 11, but still, I felt horrific.

我大概 11 点就进去了，但我仍然感觉很可怕。

Well, this is part of my reasoning is that whenever I've gone out lately and

嗯，这是我推理的一部分，每当我最近出去时，

you know, like I went out on Saturday, I went for a meal with a friend and she

你知道，就像我周六出去一样，我和朋友一起去吃饭，她说

was like, should we do some cocktails?

，我们应该喝点鸡尾酒吗？

And you know, ordinarily I would have gone,

你知道，通常我会说：

"Yeah, sure.

Why not?"

“是的，当然。

为什么不呢？”

But I'm such a lightweight when it comes to drinking.

但说到喝酒，我却是个轻量级的人。

I'm trolleyed on just a few drinks.

我只喝了几杯饮料就被推车带走了。

Trolleyed.

手推车。

Love that term.

And I feel it.

喜欢这个词。

我感觉到了。

I really feel it.

我真的感觉到了。

And the thought of, you know, having to get up, because my kids

而且想到，你知道，必须起床，因为我的孩子们

will wake up no later than 6.30 every single day without fail.

每天都会在 6.30 之前起床，毫无例外。

And they are very needy children.

他们是非常需要帮助的孩子。

They don't just get on with an independent play.

他们不只是继续独立表演。

They need me for everything all the time.

他们一直需要我做一切事情。

And I just couldn't cope.

我就是无法应对。

So I just think, is it really worth that cocktail?

所以我只是想，那杯鸡尾酒真的值得吗？

Am I happy just drinking a mocktail?

我只喝一杯无酒精鸡尾酒就开心吗？

Or I tend to just drink tonic water on its own.

或者我倾向于只喝汤力水。

I'm quite happy with that, so.

我对此很满意，所以。

My ideal drinking though, now is this happens more when I'm in Italy,

不过，我理想的饮酒方式是，当我在意大利时，这种情况更常见，

they have this thing aperitivo, like sort of before dinner.

他们有这种开胃酒，就像晚餐前一样。

So to have like two beers, maximum three, whilst...

所以喝两杯啤酒，最多三杯，同时……

I would be gone.

我就会离开。

Three beers!

三杯啤酒！

But I'm talking bottles though.

但我说的是瓶子。

It's very rare in Italy, you get a nice like pint.

这在意大利非常罕见，你会得到一品脱的好酒。

So three bottles of beer with something to munch on whilst I'm eating and then

所以我吃饭的时候喝了三瓶啤酒，吃点东西，然后

have dinner and then not drink anymore.

吃晚饭，然后就不再喝酒了。

So have dinner and just drink a soft drink.

所以吃晚饭并喝一杯软饮料。

So then by the time you go to bed, you're actually okay.

所以当你上床睡觉时，你实际上已经没事了。

And, but you still got that little buzz of like feeling a bit tipsy.

而且，但你仍然会感觉到有点醉意的感觉。

So that's my perfect drinking arrangement these days.

这就是我这些天的完美饮酒安排。

I have to admit, I do miss, red wine was always my thing, you know, I love a

我不得不承认，我确实怀念，红酒一直是我的最爱，你知道，我喜欢醇厚的

good full-bodied red

红酒

wine, especially when you're having like really nice food or

，尤其是当你享用非常美味的食物或

with, I like it with chocolate.

搭配巧克力时，我喜欢它。

I think I'm a heathen for suggesting red wine with chocolate.

我认为我建议红酒配巧克力是异教徒。

That is a good combination.

这是一个很好的组合。

Liqueurs as well.

利口酒也是如此。

Around Christmas time I am quite partial to a liqueur, but you know, there

圣诞节前后，我非常偏爱利口酒，但你知道，

are other things I can enjoy instead.

我还可以享受其他东西。

I'm curious, when a man is in a hairdresser's, I mean, obviously we

我很好奇，当一个男人在理发店时，我的意思是，显然我们

can't speak for all of our gender, but when I go, because I have the same

不能代表我们所有的性别说话，但当我去的时候，因为我有同一个

hairdresser, and you just talk so much.

理发师，而你却说得太多。

Because it's like they're a stranger, but they're not a stranger.

因为他们就像陌生人一样，但又不是陌生人。

They're not connected to your life.

它们与你的生活无关。

So you can tell them everything.

这样你就可以告诉他们一切。

And I divulge all of my personal information to this stranger, like every

我每 七周左右去拜访时 都会向这个陌生人透露我的所有个人信息

seven weeks or so when I go and visit.

。

Is it the same for men?

男性也一样吗？

Or is it like, you know, sit there in silence or what?

或者是，你知道，静静地坐在那里还是什么？

What's the deal?

这是怎么回事？

So for me personally, yeah, I do prefer no talking generally,

所以就我个人而言，是的，我确实不喜欢一般地说话，

unless I know the person.

除非我认识这个人。

Although saying that, the last time I got my hair cut in the UK, which..

虽然这么说，上次我在英国理发，那..

This is a chain, I believe, TONI&GUY.

这是一个连锁店，我相信，TONI&GUY。

Yeah.

That's a chain, isn't it?

是的。 那是一条链子，不是吗？

Big chain.

大链条。

Big chain.

And they've got their own like products and stuff.

大链条。

他们有自己的类似产品和东西。

It's

这是 一个品牌。

a brand.

Yeah.

So I

是的。 所以我

thought I'd go there.

I didn't realise how expensive it was, so to get my hair cut at the end.

想我会去那里。

没想到这么贵，最后就去剪头发了。

Well, I went in and asked and they said the cut and dry starts from 40 pounds.

嗯，我进去问了，他们说剪干的起价是 40 磅。

And I thought, 'right, that's okay.

我想，‘好吧，没关系。

It's still expensive, but okay'.

虽然还是很贵，但是还好。”

And I just thought, 'starts from, what does that mean?' And then

我只是想，“从开始，这是什么意思？”最后

when I, at the end, they said,

，当我结束时，他们说：

"It's 69 pounds."

“这是 69 磅。”

Just to get my hair cut.

只是为了剪头发。

Wow!

哇！

But there was a woman.

但有一个女人。

And we really hit it off.

我们真的一拍即合。

We were chatting away like there was no tomorrow.

我们聊得很开心，就像没有明天一样。

It was great.

太好了。

So I did have a really good chat with her.

所以我确实和她聊得很开心。

But yeah, generally, maybe it's when it's another man.

但是，是的，一般来说，也许是当它是另一个男人的时候。

You just think, I don't know.

你只是想，我不知道。

You just don't want to talk as much.

你只是不想说太多。

But yeah.

但是是的。

I tend to take my laptop in actually these days.

这些天我实际上倾向于带上我的笔记本电脑。

Wow!

If I'm quite busy, so I'll take my laptop and I'll have

哇！ 如果我很忙，那么我会带上我的笔记本电脑，并且我必须

to stipulate at the beginning.

在一开始就做出规定。

She'll be like,

"Oh, Anna, how are you?

她会说，

“哦，安娜，你好吗？

How's things?"

怎么样？”

I'll say,

"I'm really good.

我会说： “我真的很好。

I do have a lot of work to do today though, so I'm just going

不过今天我确实有很多工作要做，所以我就继续

to get on with some work."

做一些工作。”

And she'll always just check,

她总是会检查一下，

"Now that now that your colour's on.

“现在你的颜色已经亮了。

Do you, do you need a magazine?

你，你需要一本杂志吗？

Or is that a silly question?"

或者这是一个愚蠢的问题？”

Like, that's a silly question.

就像，这是一个愚蠢的问题。

I'm doing my work.

我正在做我的工作。

I like that.

我喜欢这样。

So that's basically a sign to say, don't talk to me.

所以这基本上是一个信号，告诉我，不要跟我说话。

I'm working.

我正在工作。

Yeah.

是的。

That's a good one, yeah.

这是一个好的，是的。

And the other thing I've noticed that I thought was quite unusual on the

我注意到的另一件事是，我认为

high street lately is that, so all these kind of lovely independent coffee

最近在大街上很不寻常的是，所以所有这些可爱的独立咖啡店

shops have started to close down.

都开始关闭。

But in place we've started to get the Starbucks and like the Pret A Mangers.

但我们已经开始了去星巴克，比如 Pret A Mangers。

And which I find unusual because I would expect that in big kind

我觉得这很不寻常，因为我希望在大城市

of city towns, but not in kind of suburban area, like high streets.

，而不是在郊区，比如商业街。

And so having these kind of big chain coffee shops and fast food

所以有这些大型连锁咖啡店和快餐

establishments come in was a bit odd.

店的出现有点奇怪。

Yeah, I agree.

And so again, obviously, it's the same where I live.

是的，我同意。

显然，这和我住的地方是一样的。

And that's like my fear that we're just becoming so Americanised now that kind

这就像我担心我们现在变得如此美国化，有点

of losing our identity a bit and not just us, just globalisation in general.

失去我们的身份不仅仅是我们，还有整个全球化。

Even where I lived in Italy, which obviously has got a really strong

即使是我居住的意大利，那里显然也有一种非常浓厚

kind of like coffee culture.

的咖啡文化。

It wasn't actually Starbucks.

这实际上不是星巴克。

So this was in the south of Italy.

这是在意大利南部。

I think there's only one Starbucks in all of Italy or something like that.

我想整个意大利只有一家星巴克之类的。

I can't remember, but in the south, I think actually they had to close

我不记得了，但在南方，我认为实际上他们必须关闭

because they got fined by Starbucks for like copying it was it was basically

，因为他们因为复制而被星巴克罚款，基本上是

Starbucks with a different name and I think they had to close after a few

星巴克用了不同的名字，我认为几年后他们必须关闭，

years because, like, they had copied the brand or something like that.

因为，就像，他们复制了品牌或类似的东西。

But the fact these places even exist and there are so many more of these popping

但事实上，这些地方甚至存在，而且意大利出现了更多这样的地方

up in Italy, like fast food places which, like, aren't really a thing and like even

，比如快餐店，它们并不是真正的东西，甚至就像

like the food culture there obviously is much stronger than it is over here.

那里的饮食文化显然比过去强大得多这里。

So it's just it's a shame to see just globalisation really and everything just

因此，看到全球化真正发生而一切都

turning into what it's like in America.

变成了美国的样子， 真是一种耻辱 。

Do you have McDonald's?

你们有麦当劳吗？

Of course.

当然。

Yeah.

I mean, McDonald's has been there.

是的。 我的意思是，麦当劳已经在那里了。

Forever.

永远。

Forever.

Yeah.

永远。

是的。

Like with my town, even the same place.

就像我的城镇一样，甚至是同一个地方。

I even used to have McDonald's birthday parties when I was a kid.

当我还是个孩子的时候，我什至曾经举办过麦当劳的生日聚会。

Oh, did you?

And so did everyone.

哦，是吗？

每个人也是如此。

And it was great.

Did Ronald McDonald come to your party?

这太棒了。 麦当劳叔叔来参加你的聚会了吗？

Yeah.

He was there a few times.

是的。 他去过那里几次。

And I've spoken about this a few times on a podcast that like, the treat

我在播客上多次谈到过这个问题，比如，

was that they would take the birthday boy or the birthday girl plus one

他们会带生日男孩或生日女孩加上一个

friend to go and look around the back.

朋友去后面看看。

So they would take you to see like where the burgers are made, which

所以他们会带你去看看汉堡的制作地，

when you're like five, it was like,

当你大概五岁的时候，你会觉得，

"Oh my God, this is amazing.

“天哪，这太棒了。

It was so.."

I didn't realise there were probably just some spotty teenagers working

真是……” 我没有意识到可能只是一些

there thinking, 'I can't wait till this is over so I can go home.'

在那里工作的杂乱青少年想，“我等不及这件事结束了，这样我就可以回家了。”

Kids are so easily pleased, aren't they?

小孩子真是太容易高兴了，不是吗？

Oh yeah.

哦耶。

I'm dreading when they start like going,

当他们开始说

"Oh, this is just rubbish."

“哦，这只是垃圾”时，我很害怕。

It was my son's fifth birthday party, well, birthday recently.

这是我儿子的五岁生日聚会，嗯，最近生日。

And I was really stressed the night before because I hadn't had the time

前一天晚上我真的很有压力，因为我没有时间

to decorate or even buy decorations or do any of the things that I

装饰，甚至没有时间购买装饰品，也没有时间做任何我

wanted to do to make it special.

想做的事情来让它变得特别。

So we found some old bunting that I just put up literally one strip of bunting in

所以我们找到了一些旧的彩旗，我只是在 用餐区

the kind of dining area, blew up three balloons that we dug out, and that was it.

放了一条彩旗 ，炸毁了我们挖出来的三个气球，就是这样。

And he came down, he was like,

当他下来时，他说，

"This is the best birthday ever."

“这是有史以来最好的生日。”

I'm just like,

我只是想，

"Really?

“真的吗？

Oh, darling."

哦，亲爱的。”

Keep your expectations low.

保持较低的期望。

Or keep that bar low.

或者保持较低的标准。

Let's not go any more than this.

我们不要再这样下去了。

This is easy for now.

现在这很容易。

So thinking back to when you were a kid, what are the, what the shops, because you

所以回想一下你小时候，有什么，什么商店，因为你

used to have things, all sorts of things, like, you know, there was something called

曾经有东西，各种各样的东西，比如，你知道，有一个叫做

The Works and Shoe Zone, Poundland, um...

The Works and Shoe Zone、Poundland 的东西，嗯.. .

I had a look at your list and when I was reading it, I was thinking,

我看了你的清单，当我读它的时候，我在想，

do these things not exist anymore?

这些东西不再存在了吗？

Because I thought...

因为我想……

Not always.

并不总是如此。

...they still exist.

……它们仍然存在。

So, Shoe Zone, Shoe Zone is like a cheap shoe store, isn't it?

那么，Shoe Zone，Shoe Zone 就像一家廉价鞋店，不是吗？

It's a chain, but for cheaper shoes.

这是一个连锁店，但卖的是更便宜的鞋子。

We don't really, I don't know if it's a southern/northern thing.

我们真的不知道，我不知道这是南方还是北方的事情。

I think there are still lots of Shoe Zones up north, but down here I

我认为北部仍然有很多鞋子区，但在这里我还

haven't seen many if any Shoe Zones.

没有看到很多鞋子区。

We have Clarks.

我们有克拉克斯。

Oh, Clarks.

哦，克拉克斯。

Yeah, number one.

是的，第一。

Too expensive to buy shoes there.

那里买鞋太贵了。

Exactly.

50 pounds for a pair of kids pumps.

确切地。

一双儿童高跟鞋 50 磅。

Exactly.

确切地。

But yeah, Shoe Zone, I can even picture this in my mind now.

但是，是的，鞋区，我现在甚至可以在脑海中想象这一点。

I'm thinking, I'm sure it's still there, but I would have to check because, you

我在想，我确信它还在那里，但我必须检查一下，因为，你

know, in my mind, I've still got the image of what the high street was like, like

知道，在我的脑海里，我仍然记得大街的样子，就像

25 years ago, in my mind, but in reality, lots of those shops have actually gone.

25 年前一样，在我的脑海里。介意，但实际上，很多这样的商店实际上已经消失了。

But Shoe Zone for me was in fact, it wasn't actually on the main high street.

但对我来说，鞋区实际上并不在主要大街上。

So it was less important, like some of the big ones, which I saw was

所以它不太重要，就像一些大的，我看到它们也在

on your list as well, like Woolies, Woolworths like that, when that went,

你的清单上，比如 Woolies、Woolworths 之类的，当那件事发生时，

that was like a real blow to everyone.

这对每个人来说都是一个真正的打击。

I still remember hearing that on the news and just being like,

我仍然记得在新闻中听到这件事，然后就说：

"Oh no."

“哦，不。”

Yeah.

是的。

So Woolworths, for those listening, how would you describe Woolworths?

那么 Woolworths，对于那些倾听者，您会如何描述 Woolworths？

It had a mix of everything.

它混合了一切。

Yeah, there was lots of things in there, really, weren't there?

是的，里面有很多东西，真的，不是吗？

Like you could buy sweets in there, which I'm sure you could.

就像你可以在那里买糖果一样，我相信你可以。

I'm surprised that the first thing you say is sweets.

我很惊讶你首先说的是糖果。

They had the big pick and mix selection, didn't they?

他们有很大的选择和混合选择，不是吗？

Yeah.

是的。

I'm sure you could get like DVDs, well, before, videos and things.

我确信您可以获得 DVD、视频之类的东西。

I can't really think what else was in there except sweets.

我真的想不出除了糖果之外还有什么。

Stationery?

静止的？

Stationery?

Stationery.

静止的？

静止的。

I was thinking that as well, yeah.

我也是这么想的，是啊

I think it was just like a general like home and living type of, you know,

我认为这就像一般的家庭和生活类型，你知道，

come in and buy all sorts of stuff.

进来买各种各样的东西。

But I miss Woolworths a lot.

但我非常想念Woolworths。

But the thing I remember that sticks out in my mind when I think

但当我想到 Woolworths 时，我脑海中浮现的一件事

of Woolworths is it's the only time I've ever broken the law.

是，这是我唯一一次违法。

Because I'm very, I think I'm quite a conscientious person.

因为我是一个非常非常认真的人。

I certainly know right from wrong.

我当然知道是非。

And I would never steal anything like off the shelves.

我永远不会偷任何货架上的东西。

But I would notice walking around because I had a terrible sweet tooth, and I would

但我会注意到走来走去，因为我非常喜欢吃甜食，我会

notice that some of the sweets had fallen onto the floor and I would see that the

注意到一些糖果掉到了地板上，我会看到

people in the shop would sweep these sweets up and throw them in the bin.

商店里的人会把这些糖果扫起来并扔进垃圾桶。

Now, some of the sweets had wrappers on, so I was like,

现在，有些糖果有包装纸，所以我想，

Right, okay.

好吧，好吧。

'They're not dirty and they're just gonna go in the bin.

“它们并不脏，只需扔进垃圾箱即可。”

So, I'm not doing anything wrong by just picking those up,

所以，我只是把它们捡起 来放进口袋里 ，并没有做错什么

sticking them in my pocket.'

。”

It's a bit gross.

有点恶心。

You're just, you're doing them a favour, really.

你只是在帮他们一个忙，真的。

I was helping them to clean up.

Exactly.

I was just helping them to clean up.

我正在帮他们打扫卫生。

确切地。 我只是帮他们打扫卫生而已。

Oh right, that's not bad.

哦，对了，那还不错。

Yeah, because yeah, I can't remember if it was there or also in Wilko's, they

是的，因为是的，我不记得是在那里还是在威尔科店里，他们

used to do it at Wilkinson's, which is also closing down, I recently heard.

以前在威尔金森店做过，我最近听说这家店也关门了。

Yeah, I think they went into administration just this year.

是的，我认为他们今年才进入行政管理阶段。

And what you used to do is you used to like weigh the pick and mix and then you'd

你过去所做的就是你过去喜欢称重并混合，然后你会

get like a sticker which you would put on the bag and then you could put some more

得到一个贴纸，你可以把它贴在袋子上，然后你可以多放一些

and you could put a few more in yeah.

，你可以多放一些。

Never even thought of that.

从来没有想过这一点。

See, you're a clever criminal.

I'm a conscientious criminal.

看，你是个聪明的罪犯。

我是一个有良心的罪犯。

A true criminal.

一个真正的罪犯。

Yeah.

是的。

I think the one shop I miss the most was, is HMV.

我想我最怀念的一家店是HMV。

Now that definitely is still, not on the high street, but just

现在绝对是静止的，不是在大街上，而是在

off the high street where I live.

我住的大街附近。

Really?

真的吗？

Okay.

So that hasn't changed luckily for me because yeah, even now.

好的。 所以这对我来说幸运的是没有改变，因为是的，即使是现在。

So just the other day I was with my wife and children and my wife

就在前几天，我和我的妻子和孩子们在一起，我的妻子

was in one shop and I just went in there just to walk around.

在一家商店里，我只是进去逛逛。

So what do they sell there now?

那么现在他们在那里卖什么？

Cause HMV for those listening is all about like, it's music and it's entertainment,

因为 HMV 对于那些听者来说就是这样，它是音乐，它是娱乐，

so it's music and films and games.

所以是音乐、电影和游戏。

And so you go in there mostly to buy like DVDs, CDs and game consoles and games.

所以你去那里主要是为了购买 DVD、CD、游戏机和游戏。

So I guess there's the big gaming section.

所以我想这里有一个很大的游戏部分。

But what do they do other than that?

但除此之外他们还做什么呢？

How do they...?

So they sell like electronic stuff as well.

他们怎么...？

所以它们也像电子产品一样销售。

So like, what are they called?

那么，他们叫什么？

Like when you like, this is even sounds old with this, but where you

就像当你喜欢的时候，这甚至听起来很古老，但是你把

plug your iPod into it, if you don't do that now, but like something to

你的 iPod 插入其中，如果你现在不这样做，而是喜欢

play music with stereo kind of thing.

用立体声播放音乐之类的东西。

I'm not sure of the new name.

我不确定新名字。

So, like speakers and things like that.

Speakers and like headphones.

所以，就像扬声器之类的东西。 扬声器和耳机之类的。

And maybe they do the retro, like vinyl.

也许他们会做复古的事情，比如黑胶唱片。

Because there's a big vinyl market, isn't there?

因为黑胶唱片市场很大，不是吗？

Absolutely.

绝对地。

Yeah.

And like T-shirts, posters.

是的。

还有T恤、海报等。

In fact, even now, you know, like the old posters you could flick through.

事实上，即使是现在，你知道，就像你可以翻阅的旧海报一样。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

I still like just flicking through the posters.

我还是喜欢翻看海报。

I don't know.

I don't even know what most of them are these days, but when...

我不知道。

我什至不知道这些天他们中的大多数是什么，但是当......

I couldn't tell you anyone that's in the charts right now.

我现在无法告诉你图表中的任何人。

Oh, God no.

Do they...?

I didn't know the charts even still existed.

哦，上帝不。 他们……吗？

我什至不知道图表仍然存在。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

I sometimes I'm in the car and it goes,

有时我在车里，上面写着：

"The charts!"

“图表！”

And I'm like, "Oh, ok!"

我说：“哦，好吧！”

Yeah.

I don't know any of this music.

是的。 我对这些音乐一窍不通。

That's a shame, isn't it, getting old?

变老了，真是可惜，不是吗？

It is.

这是。

Because obviously since like Top of the Pops and things

因为显然自从像 Top of the Pops 之类的事情以来，

where it was like a big thing.

它就像一件大事。

And I was talking to friends about this the other day.

前几天我正在和朋友谈论这件事。

Like when there was a song you liked, it was so difficult to actually...

就像当你喜欢一首歌曲时，实际上很难……

unless you actually went to the shop and bought the single, there

除非你真的去商店买了单曲，否则没有

was no way of actually listening to it unless it came on the radio.

办法真正听它，除非它出现在收音机上。

So..

所以..

Yeah, and you then would record it off the radio.

是的，然后你可以通过收音机录制它。

Oh, yeah.

哦耶。

Yeah.

I used to love that.

是的。

我曾经很喜欢那个。

Onto your tape.

到你的磁带上。

Yeah.

But, and so we were talking about it as well, that's what made it

是的。

但是，所以我们也在谈论它，这就是它

so special of like, the song comes on the radio and it was like,

如此特别的原因，就像这首歌在广播中出现一样，

'Oh, yes, brilliant!'

“哦，是的，太棒了！”

And these days with everything being digital, I know it's like much easier

如今，一切都数字化了，我知道

to get a hold of almost everything, but actually like I wanted to play ET for

掌握几乎所有东西都变得容易多了，但实际上我想为

my family because we have movie night every couple of weeks, I was like,

我的家人玩《外星人》，因为我们每隔几周就会有电影之夜，我当时想，

"I think my boys would love ET."

“我想我的孩子们会喜欢《外星人》的。”

And I couldn't find it.

我找不到它。

And we have a lot of subscriptions and we couldn't find it anywhere.

我们有很多订阅，但在任何地方都找不到。

I did actually find it just yesterday.

我昨天确实找到了。

It's actually on NOW TV, which is like the Sky product, but we

它实际上在 NOW TV 上播出，就像 Sky 产品一样，但我们

don't have that subscription.

没有订阅。

And, or, yeah, we don't have that one.

或者，是的，我们没有那个。

So I was like, well, I'm going to have to now pay for a subscription that I

所以我想，好吧，我现在必须支付订阅费用，我

don't want just to get this one film.

不想只是为了看这一部电影。

Whereas in the past you would just go and buy the video, the VHS or the DVD,

而在过去，您只需去购买视频、VHS 或 DVD，

and then you just had it in your cupboard and you could pull it out any point.

然后将其放在橱柜中，随时可以将其取出。

Or go to another high street classic, Blockbusters.

或者去看看另一部高街经典电影《百视达》(Blockbusters)。

Blockbusters.

大片。

Yeah, the video rental shop.

是的，录像带租赁店。

Exactly.

确切地。

Go down there, hire it.

下去那里，租用它。

Yeah.

Go and watch it and then take it back.

是的。

去看看然后把它拿回来。

Oh, oh, I'm feeling so nostalgic now.

哦哦，我现在感觉很怀念。

I don't know when that closed.

我不知道什么时候关门。

I mean, that's been closed for years, obviously, now, but these things

我的意思是，显然，现在它已经关闭多年了，但这些东西

just kind of disappear, don't they?

就这样消失了，不是吗？

Yeah.

You just..

是的。

你只是……

Yeah, we've lived through such a transformative era.

是的，我们经历了这样一个变革的时代。

Yeah, definitely.

'Cause I still remember no mobile phones, no computers.

是的，绝对是。

因为我仍然记得没有手机，没有电脑。

Of course, yeah.

No internet.

当然，是的。

没有互联网。

Yeah, same.

And you know, life was so much simpler.

是的，一样。

你知道，生活要简单得多。

Oh, 100%.

哦，100%。

I mean, there's so many opportunities now for English learners.

我的意思是，现在英语学习者有很多机会。

I think, you know, life now is, any language learner, is much easier, but

我想，你知道，现在的生活，对于任何语言学习者来说，都容易得多，但是，

yeah, I do miss those simple days when you weren't bombarded with messages

是的，我确实怀念那些简单的日子，那时你没有被

left, right and centre and everything keeping you overstimulated all the time.

左、右、中信息轰炸，一切都让你一直过度刺激。

Absolutely.

绝对地。

Right, I always think of how these days, you're just never really bored

是的，我总是在想，现在你永远不会真正感到无聊，

in the sense that you don't have to just like sit around and think

因为你不必只是坐在那里思考，

because you just get your phone out.

因为你只需拿出手机。

So if I'm ever watching TV, which is very rare these days, like normal

因此，如果我在看电视（现在很少见，就像普通

TV, and there's an advert break, the first thing I'll do is take my phone.

电视一样），并且有广告插播，我会做的第一件事就是拿起手机。

And then I'll watch some stupid videos until whatever I'm watching comes back on.

然后我会看一些愚蠢的视频，直到我正在看的内容重新出现。

Whilst before you had to watch the adverts and...

而在此之前，您必须观看广告并且……

Or talk to your family.

或者与家人交谈。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

Or even if you're just waiting like at the post office or something like

或者，即使您只是在邮局或类似的地方等待

that, just the first thing you do is just take your phone out, and, like,

，您做的第一件事就是拿出手机，然后假装

pretend you're busy kind of thing.

您很忙之类的事情。

I find it overwhelming at times that I, as a content creator, I don't know if

作为一名内容创作者，我有时会感到不知所措，我不知道

you feel the same, but I go through waves of feeling like really motivated and

你是否也有同样的感觉，但我经历了一波又一波的感觉，感觉真的很有动力和

inspired and I've got loads of energy.

灵感，而且我有大量的能量。

And then I peak where I feel overwhelmed and then I'd go down.

然后我会在感到不知所措的地方达到顶峰，然后就会下降。

And then I hit this kind of rut where I just can't bear, I have to leave my

然后我就陷入了这种我无法忍受的困境，我不得不把

phone in another room for hours because I just can't bear the stimulation.

手机放在另一个房间几个小时，因为我无法忍受刺激。

It's just too much.

实在是太多了。

It's actually nice to hear someone else say that because

实际上很高兴听到别人这么说，因为

that's exactly how I feel.

这正是我的感受。

Like, when you get to that low and you just, I can't face...

就像，当你跌到那么低的时候，我无法面对……

and because obviously as content creators, you kind of know what's happening.

因为显然作为内容创作者，你知道发生了什么。

So when someone's like, you're flicking through Instagram, with

所以当有人说，你浏览 Instagram，试图

the hook to try and get your attention and you're just like,

引起你的注意时，你就会说，

"Oh, I can't be bothered with this."

“哦，我不在乎这个。”

So yeah, the phone in the other room is something I'm doing a lot at the moment.

所以，是的，我目前经常使用另一个房间的电话。

And what I even notice if I'm uploading a video, for example, and it just takes

例如，我什至注意到，如果我上传视频，只需

a few seconds, normally I'll just reach for my phone and I even still do that,

几秒钟，通常我会伸手去拿我的手机，我什至仍然这样做，

like my hand will go to get my phone, even though it's actually not there.

就像我的手会去拿我的手机一样，即使它实际上不存在。

It's just a reflex now, which is terrible.

现在只是条件反射，太可怕了。

Yeah.

Yeah.

是的。

是的。

We need to try and find a healthy balance.

我们需要尝试找到健康的平衡。

One of the mums said to me just the other day, she said,

有一天，一位妈妈对我说，

"I left my phone in the other room and my child, my four-year-old panicked

“我把手机落在了另一个房间，我四岁的孩子惊慌失措

and grabbed my phone and ran with my phone like I would die without it going

，抓起我的手机就跑，就好像没有它我就会死一样。” “ 妈妈

'mummy, mummy, you forgot your phone.

，妈妈，你忘了带手机。

Are you okay?'"

你还好吗？”

Because she'd never seen her without her phone.

因为她从来没有见过她没有手机。

And I think, you know, we're teaching our kids some really vital lessons now.

我认为，你知道，我们现在正在教我们的孩子一些非常重要的课程。

We have to think what those lessons are and if that's what we want to teach them.

我们必须思考这些教训是什么，以及我们是否想教给他们这些教训。

So as my kids get older, you know, my partner and I are always like, we

因此，随着我的孩子长大，你知道，我和我的伴侣总是喜欢，我们

don't have the phones at the table.

桌上没有手机。

We always eat meals at the table together.

我们总是一起在餐桌上吃饭。

Yeah, same.

是的，一样。

We don't have our phones.

我们没有手机。

And I think as my kids get phones, when they're teenagers,

我认为当我的孩子们有了手机时，当他们十几岁的时候，

we'll have a box or something.

我们就会有一个盒子之类的东西。

They will have to put their phone away at certain times so they can learn how

他们必须在某些时候把手机收起来，这样他们才能学习如何

to interact properly with their families.

与家人正确互动。

It's scary thinking of kids with phones.

一想到孩子们拿着手机就觉得可怕。

Because it was like you said, we didn't have that.

因为就像你说的那样，我们没有。

I remember no phones and, so yeah, it's quite scary thinking like

我记得没有手机，所以，是的，像

the whole social media and things.

整个社交媒体和其他事物一样，这是非常可怕的想法。

Yeah, they've got that because we didn't have that.

是的，他们有这个，因为我们没有。

Yeah.

是的。

Well, we've gone all around the houses, haven't we?

好吧，我们已经把房子都转遍了，不是吗？

Indeed.

All around the houses, but hopefully, you know, the high street will survive.

的确。

到处都是房屋，但希望大街能够幸存。

Currently we have a lot of empty shops and there's more and more going every

目前，我们有很多空商店，而且每天都有越来越多的商店

day and more different things popping up.

，越来越多不同的东西出现。

Poundland still survives.

英镑仍然存在。

Poundland, the shop where everything is a pound, although not always.

Poundland，这家商店里的所有东西都是一磅的，尽管并非总是如此。

It's not.

它不是。 只是为了让你进来，是的。

It's just to get you in, yeah.

Yeah.

Times change, but I think some of these things will just continue to survive.

是的。

时代在变，但我认为其中一些东西将继续存在。

The one thing I did want to wrap up on was the cost of a stamp.

我确实想结束的一件事是邮票的成本。

I'm outraged.

我很愤怒。

Outraged!

愤怒了！ 我实际上还没有买过这样的邮票……

I haven't actually bought a stamp in such...

I had to apply for a passport for my daughter the other day because she

前几天我不得不为我女儿申请护照，因为她

didn't actually have a British one.

实际上没有英国护照。

She only had an Italian one.

她只有一份意大利的。

But I got some kind of like recorded delivery thing.

但我得到了某种类似记录交付的东西。

I didn't actually buy a stamp.

其实我并没有买邮票。

So I actually don't know how much a stamp is.

所以我其实不知道一张邮票多少钱。

So you can tell me.

所以你可以告诉我。

It's £1.25 for a first-class stamp.

一张一等邮票售价 1.25 英镑。

When I was born, back in 1981 it was 14 pence.

1981 年我出生时，它是 14 便士。

Isn't that insane, £1.25?

1.25 英镑，这不是疯了吗？

So talk about price inflation, so do you remember Space Raiders, the crisps?

说到价格上涨，你还记得薯片《太空突袭者》吗？

I can't remember someone told me recently.

我不记得最近有人告诉过我。

They're like 60p now or something like that.

现在好像是60便士之类的。

Oh my goodness!

哦，我的天啊！

They were like 10p.

他们就像10便士。

Yeah!

是的！

So yeah, cost of living, but, on the high street thing, I was

是的，生活成本，但是，关于商业街的事情，

happy to hear the other day.

前几天我很高兴听到。

I was talking to my niece who is 11 and I said, I think we were on a Sunday.

我正在和我 11 岁的侄女说话，我说，我想我们当时是在周日。

I said,

"What did you do yesterday?"

我说： “你昨天做了什么？”

And she said,

她说：

"I went into town with my friend."

“我和朋友进城了。”

And I was quite pleased that that's still a thing because I remember when I

我很高兴这仍然是一件事，因为我记得当我

was 11 and going into town on your own without parents and just walking around

11 岁的时候，没有父母的陪伴，独自进城，只是

having a look in the shops was an event.

在商店里走走看看就是一件大事。

So I'm happy to hear that that's still going.

所以我很高兴听到这种情况仍在继续。

Yeah, it's I think the one thing when we're talking about towns in general, one

是的，我认为当我们谈论一般城镇时，这是

thing that I'm really frustrated with, and I hope does change soon, because

我真正感到沮丧的一件事，我希望很快就会改变，因为

of all the cuts, the budget cuts, the councils have no money, a lot of the

所有的削减，预算削减，议会没有钱许多

public swimming pools are being shut down because they cost too much to run.

公共游泳池都被关闭，因为它们的运营成本太高。

And so people are really struggling to have, you know, get to a local

所以人们真的很难，你知道，去当地的

pool and do some swimming and when I was a kid, like that was the thing.

游泳池游泳，当我还是个孩子的时候，就是这样。

You took your pocket money after doing your chores, you got your pocket money.

你做完家务后拿走了你的零用钱，你得到了你的零用钱。

You went to town, you went swimming and you, I would always have one of those

你去城里，你去游泳，然后你，我总是会喝一种

awful machine soups where you put your money in and it gives you a chicken soup

糟糕的机器汤，你把钱放进去，它会给你一份

from powder, you know, drink that with dunk your KitKat in it, oh disgusting!

粉末鸡汤，你知道，把你的奇巧泡在里面喝，哦恶心！

And then I'd go into the town and walk around the shops.

然后我会进城，在商店里逛逛。

I'd go to the joke shop, always buy something disgusting from the joke shop

我会去笑话店，总是从笑话店买一些恶心的东西

to play pranks on my family and friends.

来恶作剧我的家人和朋友。

Or something to dress up in.

或者一些用来打扮的东西。

And I used to make videos even when I was a kid, so buy some

我小时候就经常制作视频，所以买一些

witchy things or something.

巫术的东西什么的。

And yeah, just hang out, steal sweets from Woolworths, go and listen to music in HMV.

是的，闲逛，从 Woolworths 偷糖果，去 HMV 听音乐。

So I hope that, I hope the kids of today can still enjoy kind of some level of

所以我希望，我希望今天的孩子们仍然可以享受 我们年轻时所享受的

what we enjoyed when we were younger.

某种程度的享受 。

Exactly.

确切地。

Not just be obsessed with their phones.

不仅仅是沉迷于手机。

Just one last story about going into town.

最后一个关于进城的故事。

I think one of the first times I did was when I bought my

我想我第一次这样做是当我

first album with my money.

用我的钱买了我的第一张专辑时。

And I remember, again, talking about phones, because I was spending

我记得，再次谈论手机，因为我花了

£10, it felt like such a big thing.

10 英镑，感觉这是一件大事。

And I actually went to a payphone, put in 10p to call my mum at home and say,

事实上，我用公用电话投入了 10 便士，给家里的妈妈打电话说：

"Is it okay if I spend my money on this album?"

“我把钱花在这张专辑上可以吗？”

And she said yeah, and then I went into the shop and spent £10 and I was like,

她说是的，然后我走进商店花了 10 英镑，我当时就想，

"Oh my God."

“天哪。”

What was it?

它以前如何？

I'm actually quite pleased and quite proud of it because it is still an album

事实上，我对此感到非常高兴和自豪，因为它仍然是

I like which was The Fugees - The Score.

我喜欢的一张专辑，即《The Fugees - The Score》。

Nice.

好的。

Which was an album I still actually like a lot, but yeah that was, I

这是一张我仍然非常喜欢的专辑，但是，是的，我

still remember that day so well.

仍然清楚地记得那一天。

It was a great day.

这是一个伟大的日子。

I don't remember my first album but I remember my first single.

我不记得我的第一张专辑，但我记得我的第一张单曲。

Not as cool.

没那么酷。

I do still enjoy the song, but it was Hanson - MMMBop.

我仍然喜欢这首歌，但它是 Hanson - MMMBop。

Oh, right.

Wow.

啊对。

哇。 是的。

Yeah.

Everyone thought they were girls, didn't they?

每个人都以为自己是女孩，不是吗？

When they saw the video.

Yeah.

当他们看到视频时。

是的。

Yeah.

'Cause they had like long blonde hair.

是的。 因为他们有金色的长发。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

I mean, they're pretty cool even now.

是的。

我的意思是，即使现在他们也很酷。

Like, you know, they're still busting a groove.

就像，你知道，他们仍在打破常规。

Really?

Yeah.

真的吗？ 是的。

Yeah.

They're still like working musicians.

是的。 他们仍然像职业音乐家一样。

Okay.

I didn't, did not know that.

好的。 我没有，不知道。

Yeah.

是的。

Every day is a school day.

每天都是上学日。

Yeah, I'm trying to get my kids into all the music that I've,

是的，我正在努力让我的孩子们接触我

you know, loved over the years.

多年来喜爱的 所有音乐 。

Right.

正确的。 他们花了一点时间，但随后他们就迷上了一首歌。

And it takes them a little while, but then they obsess over one song.

And like the recent song was, I Believe In A Thing Called Love.

就像最近的歌曲一样，我相信有一种叫做爱的东西。

Right.

Ok.

Because we do like that kind of like rock stuff.

正确的。 好的。

因为我们确实喜欢摇滚之类的东西。

So, I put that on a couple of times and my sons were playing in the other room,

所以，我把它放了几次，我的儿子们在另一个房间里玩耍，

just like obsessed with Magna-Tiles or something really into their task.

就像痴迷于 Magna-Tiles 或真正投入他们的任务的东西一样。

And then out of nowhere, my son just comes running in and like

然后我的儿子突然跑了进来，就像

does a knee slide across the floor.

膝盖在地板上滑动一样。

Carpet burn.

地毯烧伤。

Jumps up on the couch and starts like doing air guitar, like, yes, I've got you.

跳到沙发上，开始弹空气吉他，就像，是的，我找到你了。

I've got you.

我有你。

Here's another one.

这是另一张。

And now it's like nonstop.

现在就像不间断的一样。

I'm going to get sick of it.

我会厌倦的。

Fantastic.

极好的。

But thank you.

但谢谢你。

We have, we have been here for nearly an hour, but thank you so

我们已经在这里待了将近一个小时，但非常感谢您

much for covering all that ground.

涵盖所有这些内容。

I'm sure the listeners would have got something very useful from

我相信听众会从中得到一些非常有用的东西

that, loads of lovely vocabulary.

，大量可爱的词汇。

So thank you.

所以谢谢。

It's been a pleasure taking a trip down memory lane.

沿着记忆之路旅行真是一种乐趣。

Absolutely.

A really nostalgic podcast.

绝对地。

一个非常怀旧的播客。

Fantastic.

极好的。

Thanks for having me.

感谢您的款待。

And I'm going to come over and do something on your podcast.

我会过来在你的播客上做点什么。

So, all of my listeners should definitely come over to you

所以，我所有的听众都应该过来

and have a listen to that.

听听。

I'll put links in the show notes.

我会将链接放在演出笔记中。

Do you have a website where we can find all your links?

您有一个网站，我们可以在其中找到您的所有链接吗？

I do.

我愿意。

So it's rocknrollenglish.com, but notice it's Rock 'N' spelt 'N', Rock n' Roll.

所以它是 rocknrollenglish.com，但请注意它是 Rock 'N' 拼写为 'N'，Rock n' Roll。

Actually, if you can see there, this is the flag, Rock n' Roll English.

事实上，如果你能看到那里，这就是摇滚英语的旗帜。

It's actually got a grammatical mistake because there should

它实际上有一个语法错误，因为

be another apostrophe there.

那里应该有另一个撇号。

And the same as you, I kind of put this out and someone once sent me

和你一样，我把这个问题提出来了，有人曾经给我发了

a really aggressive message saying,

一条非常激进的信息，说

"There should be another apostrophe there."

：“那里应该有另一个撇号。”

I was like,

"Ahh, yeah!"

我当时想，

“啊，是啊！”

I could change it, but I'm quite proud of the fact that there's a mistake in

我可以改变它，但我感到非常自豪的是，

like my brand, like, logo and everything because it, like you mentioned about

我的品牌、标志和一切都存在错误，因为就像你提到的，

you make mistakes, we make mistakes.

你会犯错误，我们也会犯错误。

So I'm quite proud of it now.

所以我现在对此感到非常自豪。

Yeah, just stand by it.

是的，只要坚持下去。

It's reflective of your teaching, nice and relaxed and owning your mistakes.

这反映了你的教学，友善、轻松，并承认你的错误。

Exactly.

So yeah, rocknrollenglish.com

确切地。

是的，rocknrollenglish.com

Fantastic.

太棒了。

Well, thank you.

嗯，谢谢。

You take care.

你保重。

Yep, you too.

Thanks a lot, Anna.

是的，你也是。

非常感谢，安娜。

See you soon.

再见。