Mastering Small Talk with Rob Rudge (Business English Podcast)

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English Like A Native


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Hello, and welcome to The English Like A Native Podcast, the listening
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ค‘๊ธ‰ ๋ฐ ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ฒญ์ทจ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค์ธ The English Like A Native Podcast์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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resource for intermediate to advanced-level English learners.
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My name is Anna and today I'm joined by a very special guest - a fellow podcasting,
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์ œ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Anna์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ์ด์ž ๋™๋ฃŒ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŒ…์ธ YouTubing์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์†๋‹˜๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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YouTubing, online English teacher.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased to introduce Rob from
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์ˆ™๋…€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์˜ Rob์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๊ธฐ์˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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the Business English Podcast.
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Now he is a business English communication coach and someone that
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์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ต ์ฝ”์น˜์ด์ž
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you should be tuning into if you're hoping to make a good impression
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in an English speaking workplace.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์ข‹์€ ์ธ์ƒ์„ ๋‚จ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Hello, Rob.
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00:40
Good morning.
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์•ˆ๋…•, ๋กญ.
์ข‹์€ ์•„์นจ์ด์—์š”.
00:42
Hi, Anna.
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00:42
Hi, Anna.
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์•ˆ๋…• ์•ˆ๋‚˜.
์•ˆ๋…• ์•ˆ๋‚˜.
00:43
Thanks for having me on, really appreciate it.
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์ฐธ์„ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:45
You're very welcome.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:47
How are you today?
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์–ด๋– ์„ธ์š”?
00:49
Very well, very well.
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์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์•„์š”, ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์•„์š”.
00:50
What about yourself?
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๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
00:51
Yeah, I'm all right.
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์‘, ๋‚œ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„.
00:52
I was just saying before this podcast, I've just finished my coffee
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์ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์ „์— ์ €๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค ๋งˆ์…จ๊ณ , ์ปคํ”ผ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ
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and I'm waiting for it to kick in.
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๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:59
Are you a morning coffee drinker?
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์•„์นจ์— ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋“œ์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
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I am two in already, so, I'm starting to feel the effects,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ 2๋‹จ๊ณ„์— ๋“ค์–ด์„ฐ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:05
you know, coming up as they say.
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01:07
Oh really?
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I limit myself to one coffee a day these days.
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์˜ค, ์ง„์งœ? ์š”์ฆ˜์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ์ปคํ”ผ
ํ•œ ์ž”์œผ๋กœ ์ œํ•œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š” . ์”์“ธํ•จ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋‹ฌ์ฝคํ•จ๋„ ์ž˜ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
01:10
I will have a decaf later in the afternoon because I enjoy the bitterness and I
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์˜คํ›„์—๋Š” ๋””์นดํŽ˜์ธ์„ ๋งˆ์‹ค ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:15
match it with a little bit of sweetness.
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01:16
So, I tend to have a little biscotti or a piece of dark chocolate with it.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋น„์Šค์ฝ”ํ‹ฐ ๋‚˜ ๋‹คํฌ ์ดˆ์ฝœ๋ฆฟ ํ•œ ์กฐ๊ฐ์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋จน๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:21
Yeah.
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์‘.
01:22
Do you have your coffee with milk or black?
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์ปคํ”ผ์— ์šฐ์œ ๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋‚˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ธ”๋ž™์ด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋‚˜์š”?
01:25
I have it with milk, but no sugar.
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์šฐ์œ ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋จน์ง€๋งŒ ์„คํƒ•์€ ๋„ฃ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:27
I was going to say when you said sweetness, I thought are
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๋‹จ๋ง›์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
01:29
you putting sugar in this?
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์„คํƒ•์„ ๋„ฃ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
01:31
Demerara or...
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01:31
No, no.
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๋ฐ๋ฉ”๋ผ๋ผ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด...
์•„๋‹ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ.
01:33
I usually have coconut milk.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ์ฝ”์ฝ”๋„› ๋ฐ€ํฌ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹ ๋‹ค.
01:36
What about almonds or soy and any of the others?
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์•„๋ชฌ๋“œ๋‚˜ ์ฝฉ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
01:40
No, so, if I run out of coconut milk, I will use some of the oat milk, if
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฝ”์ฝ”๋„› ๋ฐ€ํฌ๊ฐ€ ๋–จ์–ด์ง€๋ฉด ๊ท€๋ฆฌ ์šฐ์œ ๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์“ฐ๊ณ , ์ง‘
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we have like a barista oat milk in the house, I'll use some of that, but I
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์— ๋ฐ”๋ฆฌ์Šคํƒ€ ๊ท€๋ฆฌ ์šฐ์œ  ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฑธ๋กœ ์“ฐ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š”
01:50
like the sweetness of coconut milk, I have a bit of a sweet tooth, you see.
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์ฝ”์ฝ”๋„› ๋ฐ€ํฌ์˜ ๋‹จ๋ง›์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”. ์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ํŽธ์ด์—์š”.
01:54
Uh-huh.
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์–ด ํ—ˆ.
01:55
So it keeps me on the straight and narrow, having a slightly sweet coffee,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‹ฌ์ฝคํ•œ ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹œ๋ฉด์„œ ์ง์„ ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์ข์€ ๊ธธ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ 
01:59
keeps me away from the naughty treats.
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์žฅ๋‚œ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฐ„์‹์„ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:02
Good.
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02:02
Just take the edge off.
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์ข‹์€.
๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋–ผ์–ด๋‚ด์„ธ์š”.
02:03
Yeah.
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์‘.
02:04
Rob, I want to start with a question.
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๋กญ, ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:06
Sure.
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02:06
A completely random question.
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”.
์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฌด์ž‘์œ„ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:09
If you had any superpower besides flying and time travel, because
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๋น„ํ–‰๊ณผ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์—ฌํ–‰ ์™ธ์— ์ดˆ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
02:15
everyone says, "I'd love to fly."
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ "๋‚˜๋Š” ๋น„ํ–‰์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
02:16
or "I'd love to time travel."
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๋˜๋Š” "์‹œ๊ฐ„์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”."
02:17
What would your superpower be?"
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ดˆ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"
02:21
I think, I would like to breathe underwater.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฌผ ์†์—์„œ ์ˆจ์„ ์‰ฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:23
That would be something very interesting to me, it'd allow me to get down into
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ผ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:28
the sea, go and see some cool things.
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๋ฐ”๋‹ค์— ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:31
I think we know more about the surface of the Moon than we do the bottom
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋‹ค ๋ฐ‘๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‹ฌ ํ‘œ๋ฉด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ
02:35
of the ocean, so I think that would be quite interesting to go and see.
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ฝค ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:38
That's very true.
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02:39
Have you done any scuba diving or snorkelling?
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์Šค์ฟ ๋ฒ„ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™์ด๋‚˜ ์Šค๋…ธํด๋ง์„ ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
02:43
I've done a little bit, little bit around the Caribbean, and unfortunately in
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์กฐ๊ธˆ ํ•ด๋ดค์–ด์š”, ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธŒํ•ด ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์— ์žˆ๊ณ  , ๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„
02:47
some of the quarries in the UK, which isn't the same experience, surprisingly
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์˜๊ตญ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ฑ„์„์žฅ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋†€๋ž๊ฒŒ๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:51
. No.
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02:52
And, fairly cold, I would say, a little bit colder than the Caribbean as well,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ถฅ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์นด๋ฆฌ๋ธŒํ•ด๋ณด๋‹ค ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์ถฅ๋‹ค๋Š”
02:55
which means you have to dive in a hood.
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๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ›„๋“œ๋กœ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™ํ•ด์•ผ์ง€
02:58
Was it a dry suit or a wet suit?
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๋“œ๋ผ์ด์ŠˆํŠธ์˜€๋‚˜ ์ž ์ˆ˜๋ณต์ด์—ˆ์ง€?
03:00
I had a wet suit on, just the organisation I was with at the time only had wet suits.
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๋‚œ ์ž ์ˆ˜๋ณต์„ ์ž…์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋˜ ์กฐ์ง์€ ์ž ์ˆ˜๋ณต๋งŒ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด
03:04
So, that's what we used.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์–ด
03:06
Yeah.
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03:06
Cause often in UK waters, because of the cold, they make you dive with a
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๋„ค.
์˜๊ตญ ํ•ด์—ญ์€ ์ถ”์šฐ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
03:10
dry suit, which keeps you dry and warm.
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๋“œ๋ผ์ด์ŠˆํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ž…๊ณ  ๋‹ค์ด๋น™์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋•๋ถ„์— ๋ชธ์„ ๊ฑด์กฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€ํ•ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:13
I've never done any diving in UK waters.
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์ €๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ ํ•ด์—ญ์—์„œ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™์„ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:15
I've done it in Egypt.
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์ด์ง‘ํŠธ์—์„œ๋Š” ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:17
Oh, wow.
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์˜ค ์™€์šฐ.
03:18
Nice.
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03:18
And in swimming pools.
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๋ฉ‹์ง„.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์˜์žฅ์—์„œ.
03:19
I did my training...
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์ €๋Š”
03:21
training in a UK pool.
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์˜๊ตญ ์ˆ˜์˜์žฅ์—์„œ ํ›ˆ๋ จ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:22
I think, did I go scuba diving anywhere else?
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์Šค์ฟ ๋ฒ„ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™์„ ํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ”์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ
03:25
I feel like I have, but I can't remember.
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๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:27
What was it like in Egypt?
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์ด์ง‘ํŠธ์—์„œ๋Š” ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”?
03:28
Was it, you know, did you need a wet suit there?
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ž ์ˆ˜๋ณต์ด ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
03:30
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
03:31
Yes, wet suit and it was lovely.
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์‘, ์ž ์ˆ˜๋ณต์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์กŒ์–ด.
03:33
I saw some amazing things.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:34
I definitely recommend diving in Egypt.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด์ง‘ํŠธ์—์„œ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ผญ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:36
They've got some interesting shipwrecks to go and explore and some nice coral, lots
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐ€์„œ ํƒํ—˜ํ•  ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๋‚œํŒŒ์„ ๊ณผ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์‚ฐํ˜ธ์ดˆ,
03:41
of interesting aquatic life to check out.
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ํ™•์ธํ•ด๋ณผ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ˆ˜์ค‘ ์ƒ๋ฌผ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:45
Nice.
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๋ฉ‹์ง„.
03:46
Yeah.
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03:46
My partner did some of the more advanced dives.
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์‘.
๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์ข€ ๋” ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:48
I was quite new to it, but he went diving with some sharks as well.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์•„์ฃผ ์ต์ˆ™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ƒ์–ด ๋ช‡ ๋งˆ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:55
They took a boat out to the place where they were going to dive and they
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™ํ•  ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณดํŠธ๋ฅผ ํƒ”๊ณ 
03:58
weren't specifically looking for sharks.
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ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์ƒ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:00
They knew there were sharks potentially in the area.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ์ง€์—ญ์— ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:02
And the instructor jumped in first to just check out everything was
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ•์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋จผ์ € ๋›ฐ์–ด๋“ค์–ด
04:07
safe for everyone to come in.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋“ค์–ด์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:09
He jumped in and then didn't surface.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋›ฐ์–ด๋“ค์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ‘œ๋ฉด์œผ๋กœ ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:11
He disappeared for quite a few minutes and everyone was concerned.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฝค ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์กŒ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:16
Eventually, he comes back up and says,
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ
04:18
"Sorry, guys.
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"๋ฏธ์•ˆํ•ด์š”, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
04:19
I literally jumped on top of a shark when I jumped in."
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๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ƒ์–ด ์œ„๋กœ ๋›ฐ์–ด์˜ฌ๋ž์–ด์š” ."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:23
So, the best thing to do with sharks is to go down because if you're
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ƒ์–ด์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ์•„๋ž˜๋กœ ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒ์–ด
04:26
above them, they think you're a seal and they're more likely to attack
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์œ„์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ƒ์–ด๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ฐ”๋‹คํ‘œ๋ฒ”์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณต๊ฒฉํ•  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋” ๋†’์œผ๋ฉฐ
04:29
and they attack from underneath.
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์•„๋ž˜์—์„œ ๊ณต๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:31
So, you go down and you stay still and you keep your eyes on them.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•„๋ž˜๋กœ ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋งŒํžˆ ์„œ์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ฃผ์‹œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:34
And so he jumped onto this shark and then had to stay low in the water until
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด ์ƒ์–ด ์œ„๋กœ ๋›ฐ์–ด์˜ฌ๋ผ ์ƒ์–ด๊ฐ€ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ์žƒ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋ผ์งˆ ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ฌผ ์†์— ์ˆจ์–ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:39
the shark lost interest and disappeared.
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.
04:41
So, then he could come back up and say,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ
04:42
"Okay, you can come in now."
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"์ข‹์•„, ์ด์ œ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋„ ๋ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:44
That's incredible.
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๋ฏฟ์–ด์ง€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค.
04:45
Yeah.
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04:45
I think if that were me on the boat and he said, I just jumped onto a shark.
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์‘.
๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ € ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ณดํŠธ์— ํƒ”๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‚œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ƒ์–ด ์œ„๋กœ ๋›ฐ์–ด์˜ฌ๋ž์„ ๋ฟ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
04:49
I'd be like,
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04:49
"No, I'm going to stay on the boat."
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๋‚˜๋Š”
"์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๋ฐฐ์— ๊ณ„์† ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:51
"I'm good for today.
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04:51
Yeah, I'm good for today."
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"์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”.
์‘, ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”." ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„
04:53
That'd look great on the CV though, wouldn't it?
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์ด๋ ฅ์„œ์—๋Š” ๋ฉ‹์งˆ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”?
04:54
It's like, what do you do for a job?
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๋งˆ์น˜, ์ง์—…์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
04:56
Well, I'm an underwater shark wrestler.
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์Œ, ์ €๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค‘ ์ƒ์–ด ๋ ˆ์Šฌ๋ง ์„ ์ˆ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:58
You know, that's what I do.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
04:59
Yeah.
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์‘.
05:01
So, breathing underwater would be a great skill because when you go
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ˆ˜์ค‘ ํ˜ธํก์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
05:04
underwater with scuba gear, my initial reaction to it was surprise because
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์Šค์ฟ ๋ฒ„ ์žฅ๋น„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์†์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ ์†Œ์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋ฐ˜์‘์ด ๋†€๋ผ์› ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:09
of the noise and all the bubbles.
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. ์Šค์ฟ ๋ฒ„ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™์„
05:12
I feel like if you haven't done any scuba diving, you think that scuba
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์ „ํ˜€ ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด ์Šค์ฟ ๋ฒ„
05:17
diving will be a very serene, peaceful experience, but then it's like...
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๋‹ค์ด๋น™์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ณ ์š”ํ•˜๊ณ  ํ‰ํ™”๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
05:24
Darth Vader all the way.
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๋งˆ์น˜... ๋‹ค์Šค ๋ฒ ์ด๋”์™€ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:26
Yeah.
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05:26
Yeah.
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05:26
So, actually being able to just breathe without that gear would be amazing.
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์‘.
์‘.
๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ ์žฅ๋น„ ์—†์ด ์ˆจ๋งŒ ์‰ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ผ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:31
I think.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”.
05:32
Yeah.
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05:32
And you'd be able to do some incredible adventures.
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๋ชจํ—˜์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:35
Yes.
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์˜ˆ.
05:36
I was going to ask you, Anna, do you have a superpower?
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆํ•œํ…Œ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์•ˆ๋‚˜, ๋„ˆํ•œํ…Œ ์ดˆ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์–ด?
05:39
Apart from being an ama-...
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์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์™ธ์—๋„...
05:40
I'm a mum.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์—„๋งˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:42
I think anyway.
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์–ด์จŒ๋“  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค.
05:43
Anyone who is able to keep children alive, that's the
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์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์‚ด๋ ค์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ
05:46
superpower and function as well.
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์ดˆ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด์ž ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด๋‹ค.
05:49
If I were to have a superpower, then I think I would love to know, I'm kind of
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ดˆ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์ƒ๊ธด๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‚˜๋Š”
05:57
torn between having an insight into the future, so I could make good decisions,
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€,
06:02
or being able to know what people think.
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:06
Oh.
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06:06
That, I think that would be a really...
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์˜ค.
๊ทธ๊ฑฐ, ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์ •๋ง...
06:07
That's dangerous!
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์œ„ํ—˜ํ•ด!
06:09
You know, just being able to see a little bubble above people's heads to read their
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์œ„์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„
06:12
thoughts, because I think being able to read people is a really good skill.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:17
I think I'm quite good at reading a social situation and reading a room
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ์ƒํ™ฉ๊ณผ ๋ฐฉ์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ฝค ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ณ 
06:22
and quite empathetic and understanding; my partner doesn't have the same
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๊ณต๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋‚˜์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์ธ์‹์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
06:27
level of awareness as I do, and we notice it when we go out and I'm like,
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๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š”
06:33
"Do you realise you said that?
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"๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•œ ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์ง€?
06:34
And you could see that this person was uncomfortable when you said that?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ถˆํŽธํ•ดํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด." ?
06:37
You didn't pick that up."
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ชป ์•Œ์•„๋“ค์—ˆ๋‚˜๋ด์š”.โ€
06:38
So, I think being able to actually see what people are thinking and understand,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด
06:42
it would just take away so many doubts and, you know, sometimes we feel
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๋งŽ์€ ์˜์‹ฌ์ด ์‚ฌ๋ผ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š”
06:46
inhibited because we think the other person is thinking a certain thing.
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์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์ด ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ต์ œ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:52
It's not always the case.
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:53
So, just knowing the truth always would be quite...
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ง„์‹ค์„ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๊ฝค ์ข‹์„ ํ…๋ฐโ€ฆ
06:56
That's a really good one.
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ฑฐ๊ตฐ์š”.
06:57
Refreshing, I think refreshing.
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์ƒ์พŒํ•˜๋‹ค, ์ƒ์พŒํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
07:00
Yeah, that's a really good one.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ฑฐ๋„ค์š”.
07:02
Have you seen the film, is it What Women Want?
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์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
07:04
with Mel Gibson?
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๋ฉœ ๊น์Šจ์ด๋ž‘?
07:06
And he has sort of this power where he can hear this.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ํž˜์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:10
Yeah, and it changes things for him, doesn't it?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€?
07:12
It really does, it really does.
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์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:14
So yeah, very interesting superpower.
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๋„ค, ์•„์ฃผ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ดˆ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
07:16
So, one superpower to consider might be the ability to make small talk.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ดˆ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์žก๋‹ด์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:24
Yeah.
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์‘.
07:25
Like, so, I think small talk is a surprisingly powerful skill to have.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์žก๋‹ด์€ ๋†€๋ผ์šธ ์ •๋„๋กœ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
07:30
Yeah, it is.
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:31
And it's interesting because not many people are very good at small talk.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ ์€ ์žก๋‹ด์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:36
It doesn't come naturally to many people.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์˜ค์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:39
Yeah.
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07:39
But luckily it can be learned.
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹คํ–‰ํžˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:42
So, small talk is actually a pretty big deal and that's what we're
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์žก๋‹ด์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฝค ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
07:46
going to talk about today โ€” how to make small talk in the right way.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค - ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ์žก๋‹ด์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•.
07:52
So, small talk is like the unsung hero of our daily interactions, isn't it?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์žก๋‹ด์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ผ์ƒ์˜ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ์—์„œ ์ด๋ฆ„ ์—†๋Š” ์˜์›…๊ณผ๋„ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”?
07:58
Yeah, but what is exactly small talk?
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์‘, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์žก๋‹ด์ด ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ญ์•ผ?
08:02
How could we define that?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ •์˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
08:03
That's a good question, and I'm glad you asked.
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์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๊ตฐ์š”. ์งˆ๋ฌธ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ป์š”.
08:05
Imagine you're in a lift with somebody perhaps it's taking a really long
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—˜๋ฆฌ๋ฒ ์ดํ„ฐ ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
08:09
time, and you barely know them, but you manage to strike up a conversation.
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, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:14
You're maybe talking about the weather, or you're talking about
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๋‚ ์”จ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
08:18
the latest episode of The Crown, or something that you're watching on TV.
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The Crown์˜ ์ตœ์‹  ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋‚˜ TV์—์„œ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:22
Well, that's small talk at its finest.
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์žก๋‹ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:26
It might seem trivial.
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์‚ฌ์†Œํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:27
It might seem like nothing, but it actually plays a really vital role in
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์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š”
08:32
building connections with other people.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:35
I like to imagine it as a bridge that helps us to cross over
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
08:39
from being complete strangers to becoming friends or colleagues.
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—์„œ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:44
Now it's closely related to first impressions and we know that
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์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฒซ์ธ์ƒ๊ณผ ๋ฐ€์ ‘ํ•œ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
08:48
first impressions really count.
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์ฒซ์ธ์ƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:51
You actually have quite a nice saying I heard on one of your podcasts,
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ธ
08:54
Rob, about first impressions.
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Rob์—์„œ ์ฒซ์ธ์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋“ค์€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ๋ง์”€์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:56
Yes, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression, and
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๋„ค, ์ฒซ์ธ์ƒ์„ ๋‚จ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” .
09:00
it's completely true, I think.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—์š”.
09:01
Yeah, so, you only get that one chance, that first impression is lasting, so,
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๋„ค, ๊ธฐํšŒ๋Š” ๋‹จ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋ฟ์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ฒซ์ธ์ƒ์€ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ง€์†๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
09:06
you have to get it right the first time.
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์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:08
So, what you say to break the ice really matters.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์–ผ์Œ์„ ๊นจ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด,
09:12
Small talk lays the groundwork, so to speak.
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์žก๋‹ด์ด ํ† ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ๋งˆ๋ จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
09:15
It's how we signal to other people that we're friendly and approachable or not.
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์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์นœ์ ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค๊ฐ€๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์‰ฌ์šด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋‹Œ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:22
So, we really let people know who we are or at least we give an
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ ์–ด๋„
09:26
impression of who we are with those first few words and interactions.
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์ฒ˜์Œ ๋ช‡ ๋งˆ๋”” ๋‹จ์–ด์™€ ์ƒํ˜ธ ์ž‘์šฉ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ธ์ƒ์„ ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:31
So, Rob, when would small talk be useful?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ Rob, ์žก๋‹ด์€ ์–ธ์ œ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
09:36
This is a great question.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:37
I think, it's one that goes around a lot, especially in sort of learners of English.
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํŠนํžˆ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:42
And I would say, you know, point blank, this is a spectrum of situations all
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€
09:47
the way from coffee shop on one side all the way down to being in the boardroom
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ํ•œ์ชฝ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํšŒ์˜์‹ค
09:52
or interview or like you said, you know just waiting for an elevator or a lift.
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์ด๋‚˜ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊นŒ์ง€, ๋˜๋Š” ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์—˜๋ฆฌ๋ฒ ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋˜๋Š” ์—˜๋ฆฌ๋ฒ ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฆฌํ”„ํŠธ.
09:56
So, we can use small talk in professional situations then.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ์žก๋‹ด์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
09:59
Yeah, absolutely.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
10:00
And if you don't use small talk in a professional situation, especially
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง์—…์ ์ธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ์žก๋‹ด์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด , ํŠนํžˆ
10:04
when dealing with countries or cultures that have it in their language, for
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10:09
example, the UK, or the other sort of English-speaking nations, if you
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์˜๊ตญ์ด๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๋ฅ˜ ์˜ ์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋œ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋‚˜ ๋ฌธํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฃฐ ๋•Œ ์žก๋‹ด์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด,
10:14
just launch straight into business, so to speak, things really feel sort
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๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์ •๋ง
10:19
of uncomfortable, disjointed or a lot of pressure to respond and get down
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๋ถˆํŽธํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹จ์ ˆ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ฆ‰๊ฐ ๋Œ€์‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์— ์ฐฉ์ˆ˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์••๋ฐ•๊ฐ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋Š๊ปด์ง€์ฃ 
10:23
to business straight away, which, you know, doesn't quite feel right.
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.
10:27
I think for us Brits, at least.
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์ ์–ด๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์˜๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:28
What about yourself?
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๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
10:29
As Brits, we're very much indirect, aren't we?
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์˜๊ตญ์ธ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ„์ ‘์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”?
10:32
We nothing, anything direct is considered a little rude or too abrupt.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„, ์ง์ ‘์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋ฌด๋ก€ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ‘์ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:38
And so everything has to be done in a soft and gentle way.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์€ ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฝ๊ณ  ์˜จํ™”ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ ธ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:43
I think we're deemed as a nation of being like head down, very
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ˆ™์ด๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ
10:45
cold, don't give eye contact, but actually we all need a cuddle.
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์ฐจ๊ฐ‘๊ณ  ๋ˆˆ์„ ๋งˆ์ฃผ์น˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ฒจ์ง€์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ํฌ์˜น์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:49
We all need a hug.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ํฌ์˜น์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:50
That's it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ.
10:51
Before we have any kind of interaction.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—.
10:53
We need to know we're safe.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:54
We need to know it's a relaxed environment.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํŽธ์•ˆํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:56
And so, that small talk, even in a professional environment, even if
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์žก๋‹ด์€ ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด๋ผ ํ• ์ง€๋ผ๋„
11:01
it's something that's going to be, you know, a tough negotiation and
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ํž˜๋“  ํ˜‘์ƒ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”
11:06
you walk into the boardroom knowing that you're probably going to have
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11:08
disagreements with the people that you're about to negotiate with.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์˜๊ฒฌ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๋ฉด์„œ ์ด์‚ฌํšŒ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ์ง€๋ผ๋„ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ˜‘์ƒํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:12
There's still that element of
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ
11:15
"Hi, good morning.
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"์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์ข‹์€ ์•„์นจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:16
How was your journey in today?
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ฌํ–‰์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”?
11:18
Yeah.
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11:18
The trains are a nightmare, aren't they?"
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์˜ˆ.
๊ธฐ์ฐจ๋Š” ์•…๋ชฝ์ด๊ตฐ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?"๋ผ๋Š” ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋‚จ์•„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:20
You know, that kind of chit-chat back and forth saying,
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11:24
"We're both human.
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"์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ธ๊ฐ„์ด์•ผ.
11:25
You're safe in this environment.
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๋„ˆํฌ๋Š” ์ด ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•ด.
11:27
We can at least be civil with one another."
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ ์–ด๋„ ์„œ๋กœ ์˜ˆ์˜๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์–ด."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ฃผ๊ณ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์žก๋‹ด์ด์ฃ .
11:30
Yeah, no, absolutely agreed.
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์˜ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค, ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:32
Yeah, it's about this sort of relationship building, this sort of pressing the
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์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œ์œ„
11:36
flesh, as they say, shaking hands and developing that relationship, especially
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์œก์ฒด๋ฅผ ์••๋ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ์•…์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ์ „์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ
11:40
if you're looking for new business, new opportunities, interviews, things like
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค, ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ธฐํšŒ, ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ ๋“ฑ์„ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
11:45
that, you know, getting to know the other person before launching in, it is
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, ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์„ ์•Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
11:48
something that I think Brits do very well.
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์˜๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:51
But it's always the culture that is used to small talk, when it doesn't
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์žก๋‹ด์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•œ ๋ฌธํ™”๋ผ์„œ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด
11:55
happen, it feels very uncomfortable.
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์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•ด์š”.
11:57
I was out in Eastern Europe, and doing some English work with some professionals
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์ €๋Š” ๋™์œ ๋Ÿฝ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋“ค๊ณผ ์˜์–ด ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋ช‡
12:01
and I've been on for hours, you know, how it is teaching and you're pretty
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์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ฝค ์ง€
12:06
exhausted, you know, it's over, it's done.
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์ณค๊ณ , ๋๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:08
You're sort of closing down the laptop and this woman walked up
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋…ธํŠธ๋ถ์„ ๋‹ซ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
12:11
to me at the end and she said,
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์— ํ•œ ์—ฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์™€์„œ
12:12
"Rob, you look really tired."
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"๋กญ, ์ •๋ง ํ”ผ๊ณคํ•ด ๋ณด์—ฌ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:15
And I thought,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
12:16
"Oh, well, yes, I guess I am exhausted."
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"์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ํ”ผ๊ณคํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:19
But it was very direct, you know, like you said earlier on, about the
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•ž์„œ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด
12:22
Brits needing something a little bit smoother, a little bit more gentle.
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์˜๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์€ ์ข€ ๋” ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฝ๊ณ  ์ข€ ๋” ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ง์ ‘์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:26
And if it is too direct and it does feel slightly uncomfortable, but I guess this
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง์„ค์ ์ด์–ด์„œ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๊ปด์ง€๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
12:29
was an element of small talk, so to speak.
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๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด ์žก๋‹ด์˜ ์š”์†Œ์˜€๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
12:33
I think, when dealing with people from different places, different cultures, I
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์žฅ์†Œ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”๊ถŒ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋Œ€ํ•  ๋•Œ
12:38
do think that personally, we have to all just have a moment of thinking, we're all
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ž ์‹œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์„œ๋กœ
12:44
different, so, don't take everything so personally, like you have to allow them a
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๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด์ง€ ๋ง์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:50
little bit of wiggle room to be different.
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ํ”๋“ค๋ฆผ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ํ—ˆ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:54
So, I think I've learned a lot about myself and others by being in
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ํ‹ˆ์ƒˆ ์‹œ์žฅ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:00
this particular niche, working with people from different countries.
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13:03
I used to take offence at things so quickly, depending on how I
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ
13:07
was approached or things that were said, you know, the unsolicited
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์ ‘๊ทผํ–ˆ๋Š๋ƒ๋‚˜, ์›์น˜ ์•Š๋Š”
13:11
marriage proposals, things like that.
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๊ฒฐํ˜ผ ์ œ์•ˆ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:13
Nice.
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๋ฉ‹์ง„.
13:14
Cool.
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์‹œ์›ํ•œ.
13:15
I used to get really upset about it.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ •๋ง ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฌ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:17
And irate about the things people would say and how they would say them and...
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:22
and now I realise, oh, actually we just come from different places; things are
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ ์ €๋Š” ์•„, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์™”์Œ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ์ด
13:28
done differently and they maybe don't understand my culture so, we can be
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๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚ด ๋ฌธํ™”๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
13:34
open and talk about this and hopefully they'll understand and it'll be fine.
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์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฑด๋Œ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:38
Yeah.
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์‘.
13:39
So, I think everyone has to have that awareness.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ธ์‹์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:41
So, have you ever experienced a point where small talk wasn't
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์žก๋‹ด์ด
13:46
done in the most optimal way?
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ตœ์ ์˜ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ง€์ ์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
13:49
A long time ago when I was kind of new to the YouTubing space I used to go to lots
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์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ „ ์ œ๊ฐ€ YouTube ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ž…๋ฌธํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
13:54
of events at the YouTube headquarters, which is in King's Cross in London.
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๋Ÿฐ๋˜ ํ‚น์Šคํฌ๋กœ์Šค์— ์žˆ๋Š” YouTube ๋ณธ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์—ด๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ํ–‰์‚ฌ์— ๊ฐ€๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:00
And I met up with a friend before one of these events, having coffee
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ์ „์— ํ•œ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
14:06
in a coffee shop and they had a couple of other friends joining
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14:09
them, people I didn't know.
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๊ทธ ์ค‘์—๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๋„ ๋ช‡ ๋ช… ๋” ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:11
And at one point I'm kind of sat left alone with one of these
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋Š ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ์ €๋Š” ์ œ ์นœ๊ตฌ์˜ ์นœ๊ตฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…๊ณผ ๋‹จ๋‘˜์ด ๋‚จ๊ฒจ์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
14:15
friends of my friend, and we hadn't spoken before that point.
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, ๊ทธ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆˆ ์ ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:19
And, he turns to me and he says,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„๋ณด๋ฉฐ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:21
"Oh, so, Anna, is it?"
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"์•„, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์•ˆ๋‚˜, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?"
14:23
I said,
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14:23
"Yeah, yeah, Anna."
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14:23
He said,
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๋‚˜๋Š”
"๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์•ˆ๋‚˜"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋Š”
14:24
"What are you doing in London then?"
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"๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์—์„œ ๋ญ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:25
And I said,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€
14:26
"Oh, I'm going to an event at the YouTube headquarters.
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"์•„, ์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ ๋ณธ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€๋Š”๋ฐ์š” .
14:30
It's not far from here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ฉ€์ง€ ์•Š๋„ค์š”.
14:31
I'll be heading off in about 20 minutes."
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20๋ถ„์ฏค ๋’ค์— ์ถœ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:34
And his reaction was,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ž ๊ทธ์˜ ๋ฐ˜์‘์€
14:35
"Oh no, you've got to spend the day with a bunch of YouTubers, that sucks, poor you."
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"์•ˆ๋ผ, ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ณด๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ํ˜•ํŽธ์—†์–ด, ๋ถˆ์Œํ•ด."์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:42
And I was obviously a bit shocked because he had gone straight into sharing his
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋‹Œ์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ๊ณง๋ฐ”๋กœ
14:47
personal negative opinion of YouTubers without ascertaining or working out
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์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ €๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:53
who I was or whether I was a YouTuber or not, he just assumed I wasn't.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:58
Okay.
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14:58
And so rather than putting him straight instantly I was a bit taken aback
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๋ฐ”๋กœ์žก๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ง์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‹นํ™ฉํ–ˆ๊ณ 
15:03
by it and I was instantly offended.
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์ฆ‰์‹œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:05
So, I just let him dig the hole the little deeper and I said,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ตฌ๋ฉ์„ ์ข€ ๋” ๊นŠ๊ฒŒ ํŒŒ๊ฒŒ ๋†”๋‘๊ณ 
15:08
"Oh, you don't like YouTubers then."
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"์•„, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„๋ฅผ ์•ˆ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜๋ด์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
15:10
And he carried on, no, he didn't catch on at all.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ, ์•„๋‹ˆ, ์ „ํ˜€ ๋”ฐ๋ผ์žก์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:13
"No, no, I don't like YouTubers.
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"์•„๋‹ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ, ๋‚œ ์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„.
15:15
They're all so annoying.
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๋‹ค๋“ค ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์งœ์ฆ๋‚˜.
15:16
They're all so full of themselves."
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๋‹ค๋“ค ์ž๊ธฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋งŒ ๊ฐ€๋“ํ•ด."
15:18
And just keeps digging and digging and digging.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ํŒŒ๊ณ  ํŒŒ๊ณ  ํŒŒ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:21
And then eventually I said,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ
15:23
"Well, you don't like me then.
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"๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋„Œ ๋‚  ์•ˆ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š”๊ตฌ๋‚˜.
15:25
I'm a YouTuber."
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ .
15:27
And then he was obviously very apologetic and a bit taken aback by
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ์‚ฌ๊ณผํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‹นํ™ฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:32
his own, faux pas, should we say.
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.
15:36
Yeah.
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15:36
Yeah.
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์‘.
์‘.
15:37
Giving him enough rope to hang himself with, this sort of thing.
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๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ชฉ์„ ๋งค๋‹ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋งŒํผ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ๋ฐง์ค„์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ , ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
15:41
It was a little mean, you know, the mistake that he made was to launch
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ €์ง€๋ฅธ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฐ€
15:46
into sharing his negative opinions of a whole group of people without
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15:51
knowing who he was talking to first.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋จผ์ € ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ ์ฑ„ ์ „์ฒด ๊ทธ๋ฃน์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:53
And I've done this myself.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง์ ‘ ํ•ด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:55
I've very quickly shared my opinions without knowing who I am talking to.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ ์ฑ„ ๋งค์šฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
16:04
Yeah, absolutely.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
16:05
And in doing so, offended people because they hold a very different opinion to me.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‚˜์™€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์„ ์ƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:10
And so I think it's always like one of the rules for small talk should be to
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์žก๋‹ด์˜ ๊ทœ์น™ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€
16:16
keep those negative opinions to yourself.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ๋งŒ ๊ตญํ•œ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ 
16:20
Like you said about the balancing of, being understanding of everybody's
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๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์žก๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
16:25
culture, you know, especially when you're playing at the international
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, ํŠนํžˆ ๊ตญ์ œ
16:27
level, which is normally why people speak English is that they're in that
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์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ดํ•  ๋•Œ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
16:30
international arena, is really hedging your conversation in a way that is, you
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๊ตญ์ œ ๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
16:37
know, palatable that is acceptable for everybody instead of really sticking
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,
16:41
your flag in the ground over to one side.
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๊นƒ๋ฐœ์„ ํ•œ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ๋•…์— ๊ฝ‚๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹  ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž…๋ง›์— ๋งž๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:44
And as you said about the faux pas, I mean, the two mega poor choices to make
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋“ฏ์ด, ์žก๋‹ด์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜์œ ์„ ํƒ์€
16:52
when making small talk, I would say would be, politics or/and religion.
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์ •์น˜๋‚˜ ์ข…๊ต์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:57
Yeah.
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์‘.
16:58
What do you think?
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16:58
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‹น์‹  ๋ง์ด ์ •๋ง ๋งž์•„์š”.
17:00
If somebody makes a really bold statement in the first few lines of meeting me about
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ €๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์„œ ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋ช‡ ์ค„์—์„œ ์ž์‹ ์˜
17:08
their political beliefs or, you know, making a judgement from a political point
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์ •์น˜์  ์‹ ๋…์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋Œ€๋‹ดํ•œ ๋ฐœ์–ธ์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ •์น˜์  ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ํŒ๋‹จ์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ
17:13
of view, then what happens is if it's at odds with what I believe, I instantly
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๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์ƒ์ถฉ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ์ฆ‰๊ฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด
17:21
make a judgement, you know, we all do, even if we try not to be judgemental.
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๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŒ๋‹จ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋ก ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:26
I instantly make a judgement about what that person must be like, what their
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€, ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜
17:30
general beliefs are and everything that's related to that and that might
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์‹ ๋…์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฆ‰์‹œ ํŒ๋‹จ์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด
17:35
make me decide instantly, I'm not going to be friends or I can't be close
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์ฆ‰์‹œ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์›Œ์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€
17:39
to, I don't align with this person and so, it can sour the relationship
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, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋™์กฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด , ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€
17:45
before it's even had a chance to blossom, before we even had a chance to
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๊ฝƒํ”ผ์šธ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋„ ์ƒ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋„ ์ „์—, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํƒ์ƒ‰ํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋„ ์ „์—,
17:49
explore, you know, whether there's any other things that we have in common.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์‹ ๋ž„ํ•ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:54
So, politics also can lead to, like an argument, a negative interaction.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ •์น˜๋Š” ๋…ผ์Ÿ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:01
I'm very much an avoider of conflict.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ์„ ๋งค์šฐ ํšŒํ”ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋‹ค.
18:05
I will just nod my head and go,
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ณ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ๋„๋•์ด๊ณ 
18:07
"Hmm okay, lovely."
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18:07
And walk away.
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"ํ , ์•Œ์•˜์–ด, ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋– ๋‚˜์„ธ์š”.
18:09
But I think I'm in the minority.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์†Œ์ˆ˜์— ์†ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค.
18:11
I think many people would happily say I don't agree or, you know,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
18:15
stand up for what they believe and argue with that person.
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์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋ฅผ ์˜นํ˜ธ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋…ผ์Ÿํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:18
So, it's better to just avoid talking about politics and the same with
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ •์น˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์ข…๊ต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ”ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:23
religion because it often leads to...
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ข…๊ต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:27
Religion is a very personal thing and people have very strong views,
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
18:31
beliefs about religion and it's just better to just leave it aside until
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์ข…๊ต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๊ฒฌํ•ด์™€ ์‹ ๋…์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ฏธ๋ค„๋‘๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:37
a point later in your relationship.
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๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์ง€์ ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
18:40
Yeah, definitely, a hundred percent agreed.
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๋„ค, ํ™•์‹คํžˆ 100ํผ์„ผํŠธ ๋™์˜ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
18:43
It's really worth taking on board that no matter how well you think you
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18:47
know this person or the individuals with which you're conversing, that
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐœ์ธ๋“ค์„ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ž˜ ์•ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
18:52
you probably don't want to broach that subject unless you are...
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์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋ช…์‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ€์น˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:56
like you said, unless you know them really well or have a personal
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
18:59
relationship with this individual.
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ.
19:01
I was training some non-native professionals working in London
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์›์–ด๋ฏผ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€๋„์‹œ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š”
19:03
about small talk and networking while they were working in the big city.
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๋™์•ˆ ์žก๋‹ด๊ณผ ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํ‚น์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ํ›ˆ๋ จํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
19:08
And it was all about, you know, avoid this, don't say that,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ”ผํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๊ณ ,
19:11
try using this as an idea.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:13
And on the coffee break one of them came up to me and said,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ปคํ”ผ ํœด์‹ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์™€์„œ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:16
"Great presentation so far, Rob.
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"์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ–ˆ์–ด์š”, Rob.
19:17
Brilliant.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ด์š”.
19:18
I'd love to know your ideas about Brexit."
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Brexit์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
19:21
And I said,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:23
"You know, you've just heard me say, you know, this probably isn't a good
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"๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์œผ์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ข‹์€
19:26
icebreaker or an opener, you know, consider using something else."
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์‡„๋น™์„ ์ด๋‚˜ ์˜คํ”„๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
19:30
It is a trained skill, like we've mentioned earlier about small talk
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์•ž์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ์žก๋‹ด์ด
19:33
being a trained or learned skill.
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ํ›ˆ๋ จ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•™์Šต๋œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์ด๋Š” ํ›ˆ๋ จ๋œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:36
Yeah.
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19:36
I think when you do ask questions like,
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์‘.
19:40
"What do you think about Brexit then?"
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"๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋ธŒ๋ ‰์‹œํŠธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?" ๊ฐ™์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
19:42
You're basically just laying down a landmine for the other person because if
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ง€๋ขฐ๋ฅผ ๊น”๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์…ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
19:48
I ask you that, and I don't know you at all, and you don't know me, and I ask,
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
19:51
"What are your thoughts on this?"
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"์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”? "
19:54
You then have to think,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€
19:55
"Well, what are your thoughts?"
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"๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:57
Am I about to say something that's completely at odds with you?
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ „ํ˜€ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
20:00
Are we about to have an argument?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ด์ œ ๋ง๋‹คํˆผ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
20:02
Or are you going to dislike me if I say the wrong thing?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ‹€๋ฆฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•  ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
20:05
So, it's just not a very kind thing to do.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์นœ์ ˆํ•œ ํ–‰๋™์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:09
I think, it's better to just leave those questions to one side.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ํ•œ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ์น˜์›Œ๋‘๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
20:12
And then the other thing, particularly in the UK is talking about money.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์€, ํŠนํžˆ ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:19
Yeah, I agree.
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20:19
I don't know if it's different in other countries, but asking someone
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์‘, ๋‚˜๋„ ๋™์˜ํ•ด. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ
์—์„œ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ , ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ
20:23
like how much they earn or how much their house costs or, you know, how
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์ˆ˜์ž…์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ์ธ์ง€, ์ง‘๊ฐ’์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ์ธ์ง€, ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ์ธ์ง€ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋ฉด
20:29
much anything costs, if it's something that was obviously a big purchase.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ํฐ ๊ธˆ์•ก์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ๋งคํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:33
I think it's just not the done thing in this country, is it?
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์•„์ง ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ผ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
20:35
It makes people uncomfortable.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:37
That's right.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
20:38
Real sticky situation and you get embroiled into disclosing some things that
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์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ํœ˜๋ง๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ 
20:43
are actually quite personal and if you give a third party something, they have
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์ œ3์ž์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ 
20:49
that then and it's no longer personal and then where do you put those barriers in
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๋” ์ด์ƒ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์žฅ๋ฒฝ์„ ์–ด๋””์— ๋‘์–ด
20:54
place to, to safeguard against, you know, some other sensitive topics, for example.
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๋ณดํ˜ธํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”? ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•œ ์ฃผ์ œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:58
So yeah, it's a really interesting one.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
21:01
Which is why when you're in a job interview, and this, this question
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฉด์ ‘์„ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด
21:04
often does come up, doesn't it?
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์ž์ฃผ ๋‚˜์˜ค์ฃ ?
21:06
What are your salary expectations for this role?
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์ด ์—ญํ• ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ ์—ฐ๋ด‰์€ ์–ผ๋งˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
21:09
It's an awful question.
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์ •๋ง ๋”์ฐํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”.
21:10
And you might have had it as well as a self-employed kind of entrepreneur
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
21:15
when third parties approach you to come and do a collaboration or
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์ œ3์ž๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์™€์„œ ํ˜‘์—…์ด๋‚˜
21:19
a sponsorship, they'd say to you, we're interested in working with you.
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ํ›„์›์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ๋•Œ ์ž์˜์—…์ž ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ๊ธฐ์—…๊ฐ€์™€ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ–ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:22
Oh, great, okay.
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์•„, ์ข‹์•„, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
21:23
Give me some details about the collaboration and I'll give you details.
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ํ˜‘์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ธ๋ถ€์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์„ธ๋ถ€์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:26
And then they'll say to you even though they approached you.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€๊ฐ€๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
21:30
Yeah.
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21:30
"What are your expectations for a fee?
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์‘.
"์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
21:32
Or "what would you expect as a fee for this?"
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๋˜๋Š” "์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ๋กœ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š” ?"
21:34
And you're like,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  "
21:35
"Well what's your, what's your budget?"
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์˜ˆ์‚ฐ์€ ์–ผ๋งˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ 
21:38
I'm not gonna give you a figure because I might be lowballing myself.
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๋ฌผ์œผ์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋‚ฎ์ถ”์–ด๋ผ.
21:41
I might undercut my value if you are paying other people more money.
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚ด ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ๊นŽ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค.
21:45
A hundred percent.
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100ํผ์„ผํŠธ.
21:46
Yeah.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜.
21:47
Like you said, that you're a bit of a minefield.
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๋„ค ๋ง๋Œ€๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ง€๋ขฐ๋ฐญ์ด๊ตฌ๋‚˜
21:49
You know, if you're talking about money, what do you say?
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. ๋ˆ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ด์ฉŒ์ง€? ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”? ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ 
21:51
What can't you say?
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๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‚˜์š”?
21:52
Lowballing yourself, especially for the self employed, the entrepreneurs
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ํŠนํžˆ ์ž์˜์—…์ž๋‚˜
21:55
out there as well, you know, money.
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๋ฐ–์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์—…๊ฐ€๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–•์žก์•„๋ณด์ฃ .
21:58
So, definitely don't ask someone in a, like if you're in a
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌป์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
22:02
networking event or a conference,
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๋„คํŠธ์›Œํ‚น ํ–‰์‚ฌ๋‚˜ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์—์„œ
22:04
"Oh, that's a great job.
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"์•„, ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”.
22:05
You're doing a great job for a great company.
441
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:07
How much do you earn?"
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฒŒ์–ด์š”?"
22:08
Like, that's a terrible question.
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์ฐธ ๋”์ฐํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋„ค์š”. ์˜ˆ, ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ.
22:09
Yeah, that's right.
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22:10
Yeah.
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22:11
How much do you earn?
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22:11
How much did you make last year?
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฒŒ์–ด์š”?
์ž‘๋…„์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฒŒ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
22:12
Yeah, it's pretty forward I would say.
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์˜ˆ, ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์†”์งํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
22:14
And you know the other one that, you know, really sort of causes awkward silences
449
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„์‹œ์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•œ ์นจ๋ฌต์„ ์•ผ๊ธฐ
22:19
and awkward moments could be humour.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด ์œ ๋จธ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:21
Just because something is funny in your culture, it may not translate
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๋‹จ์ง€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”์—์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ์žก๋‹ด ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ž˜ ํ•ด์„๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
22:26
that well, in a small talk situation.
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.
22:28
Absolutely.
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๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
22:29
I remember I was doing some networking in Europe and, one of the guys that
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํ‚น์„ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ๋Ÿฝ๊ณผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ›ˆ๋ จํ•˜๋˜ ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด
22:33
we were training, immediately opened with this joke about ball bearings,
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๋ณผ ๋ฒ ์–ด๋ง,
22:39
these little steel ball bearings and it was only about 30 seconds long, but
456
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์ด ์ž‘์€ ๊ฐ•์ฒ  ๋ณผ ๋ฒ ์–ด๋ง์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋†๋‹ด์œผ๋กœ ์ฆ‰์‹œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ๊ธธ์ด๋Š” ์•ฝ 30์ดˆ์— ๋ถˆ๊ณผํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
22:43
he could not get the punch line out.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ํ•ต์‹ฌ์„ ๊บผ๋‚ด์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ 
22:45
He was crying with laughter and I had no idea it didn't translate at all.
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์›ƒ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ค„์€ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชฐ๋ž์–ด์š”
22:50
And he's reduced to tears trying to tell me this joke and
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ด ๋†๋‹ด์„ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋ˆˆ๋ฌผ์„ ํ˜๋ ธ๋Š”๋ฐ
22:54
it was very awkward actually.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:56
So...
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ...
22:57
yeah, humour.
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22:57
Oh my goodness.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์œ ๋จธ.
๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ,
22:59
My goodness.
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๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ.
23:01
Do you have an experience of this?
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23:01
I can't think of a specific occasion, but there have definitely been times
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๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ,
23:07
when people I don't know very well in a social setting have made a
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌํšŒ์ƒํ™œ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ
23:13
joke that's perhaps been a little bit edgy, a bit controversial.
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๋‹ค์†Œ ์ž๊ทน์ ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค์†Œ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋†๋‹ด์„ ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ„๋ช… ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:18
And in this country, we make fun of people and we make fun of ourselves and
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋†€๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋†€๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
23:23
you know, a lot of the comedians that I do find funny, like Ricky Gervais.
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Ricky Gervais์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ฝ”๋ฏธ๋””์–ธ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:28
Ricky Gervais makes some appalling jokes.
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Ricky Gervais๋Š” ๋”์ฐํ•œ ๋†๋‹ด์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:31
If you saw them written down, he makes jokes about things that just
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๊ทธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ์ ํžŒ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณธ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋†๋‹ดํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋˜๋Š” ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋†๋‹ด์„ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
23:35
shouldn't ever be joked about, but he does it in a way that's funny and you
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ
23:40
know what you're getting with him.
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์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:41
You turn up to one of his stand up gigs and you know that he's going
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ์˜ ์Šคํƒ ๋“œ์—… ๊ณต์—ฐ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์— ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ดˆ์กฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
23:46
to be edgy and he's going to say things that are offensive, but funny.
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๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:51
So, if you don't know someone and they repeat a joke like that, whether it's,
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
23:56
you know, about animal cruelty or a specific group of people, then it's
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๋™๋ฌผ ํ•™๋Œ€์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋“  ํŠน์ • ์ง‘๋‹จ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋“  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋†๋‹ด์„ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
24:02
very hard to know from a stranger if they are just being funny or if they
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๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋‹จ์ง€ ์›ƒ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
24:08
actually hold sexist or racist views based on the joke that they made.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋งŒ๋“  ๋†๋‹ด์— ๊ทผ๊ฑฐํ•˜์—ฌ ์„ฑ์ฐจ๋ณ„์ ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ธ์ข…์ฐจ๋ณ„์ ์ธ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
24:15
So, it's a dangerous road to go down making jokes and often British
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋†๋‹ด์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ์ผ์ด๊ณ  ์ข…์ข… ์˜๊ตญ์‹
24:21
humour is very different, I think, to other cultures, you know, our dry
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์œ ๋จธ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”์™€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
24:25
humour, our sarcasm, and so I think it wouldn't translate very well generally.
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ž˜ ํ•ด์„๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:31
So, it's best to just try not to be funny.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์›ƒ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:35
Just be nice.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์นœ์ ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€ํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
24:36
Yeah.
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์‘.
24:37
Try not to be funny.
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์›ƒ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
24:38
Just nice.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ข‹์•„์š”.
24:39
Yeah.
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24:39
That's great advice.
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์‘. ์ •๋ง
์ข‹์€ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด๋„ค์š”.
24:40
I think.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”.
24:41
Yeah.
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24:41
So, humour strike that one off the list as well.
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์‘.
๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์œ ๋จธ๋„ ๋ชฉ๋ก์—์„œ ์ œ์™ธ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:43
Yeah.
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24:43
Yeah.
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์‘.
์‘.
24:44
And I think the last one to mention about things to avoid is personal questions.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ”ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:49
Yeah.
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์‘.
24:50
I often get the, "Are you married?"
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ข…์ข… โ€œ๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?โ€๋ผ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:53
question.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ.
24:54
I don't know.
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๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:55
Do you get this?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
24:56
Occasionally, yes.
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๊ฐ€๋” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:58
It's like,
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24:58
"Are you married?"
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"๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”?"
24:59
And you're thinking, well, not sure how this really feeds
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ „์ฒด ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น ์ง€ ํ™•์‹ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
25:02
into the overall conversation.
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.
25:04
Yeah.
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์‘.
25:05
Yeah.
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25:05
Especially, so I mostly get it in the sphere that I work in as a teacher.
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์‘.
ํŠนํžˆ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ต์‚ฌ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ฃผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
25:10
And I'm taken aback by it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋†€๋ž๋‹ค.
25:11
You know, people will approach me and happy to be open and talk to
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์™€ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์—ด๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”
25:14
them and offer them advice, even though it's come from nowhere.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋ก ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
25:18
"Hi, Anna.
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"์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์•ˆ๋‚˜.
25:19
Can I ask you a question?"
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์งˆ๋ฌธ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ํ•ด๋„ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?"
25:21
"Yeah, of course."
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25:21
And then we have a little back and forth and then they say,
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"๊ทธ๋ž˜ ๋ฌผ๋ก ."
๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋‹ค๊ฐ€
25:25
"Are you married?"
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25:25
And you're like,
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"๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€
25:26
"What has this got to do with anything, you know, that you need to know?"
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"์ด๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ƒ๊ด€์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
25:33
So, I think asking personal questions or sometimes people
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋”
25:36
comment or ask me about my age.
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๋Œ“๊ธ€์„ ๋‹ฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฌป๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค๋„ ๊ณ„์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
25:39
I get that often or my weight.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ž์ฃผ ์–ป๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฒด์ค‘์„ ์–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:42
"How much do you weigh?"
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"๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ชธ๋ฌด๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"
25:43
I think things like that, you just don't know.
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์‹ค ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:46
What a strange question!
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์ •๋ง ์ด์ƒํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค!
25:48
Yeah.
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25:48
You don't know what people feel insecure about.
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์‘.
๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ถˆ์•ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:52
And so I may have had an eating disorder.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์„ญ์‹ ์žฅ์• ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:57
I don't, I haven't, I've always had a very healthy, too healthy
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์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์Œ์‹๊ณผ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ
26:00
a relationship with food.
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๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:02
But I may have had an eating disorder in the past.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์— ์„ญ์‹ ์žฅ์• ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:05
Maybe I was anorexic at one point and I struggled to eat.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•œ๋•Œ ๊ฑฐ์‹์ฆ์— ๊ฑธ๋ ค์„œ ๋จน๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ํž˜๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:09
I didn't like food.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์Œ์‹์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค.
26:11
And now I've managed to get to a healthy weight and beat my anorexia.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์ฒด์ค‘์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ์‹์ฆ์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:15
And then if you mention anything about my weight or anything about the way my
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‚ด ๋ชธ๋ฌด๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ๋‚ด
26:20
body looks, you could trigger something really bad in me that makes me feel very
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๋ชธ์˜ ์™ธ๋ชจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚ด ์•ˆ์— ์ •๋ง ๋‚˜์œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ด‰๋ฐœํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ
26:25
self conscious and could set something off, but it certainly wouldn't set
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์ž์˜์‹์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:29
up our relationship in a good way.
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์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•.
26:31
There was a time when I was having, my hair prepared for a wig, for a show.
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์‡ผ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ฐ€๋ฐœ์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋˜ ์‹œ์ ˆ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:38
Right.
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26:38
And I had a different lady doing my hair this one day, so my normal kind
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋Š ๋‚  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์—ฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ‰์†Œ์˜
26:42
of makeup artist was off, and this lady, they're called wiggies, people
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๋ฉ”์ดํฌ์—… ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋Š” ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋น„์› ๊ณ  ์ด ์—ฌ์ž๋Š” wiggies๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ธ๋ฐ ์™€์„œ
26:45
who come in and prepare you for a wig.
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๊ฐ€๋ฐœ์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:47
Wiggies.
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26:47
Wiggies.
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26:47
Right.
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26:47
So, this wiggie came in, and I'd never met her before, and
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๊ฐ€๋ฐœ.
๊ฐ€๋ฐœ.
์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฐœ์ด ๋“ค์–ด์™”๋Š”๋ฐ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ๋งŒ๋‚œ ์ ์ด ์—†์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
26:52
she, had a speech impediment.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์–ธ์–ด ์žฅ์• ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:54
She had a very strong lisp.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ํ˜€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:57
Now I am an expert with voice, and I've fixed a lot of speech impediments in the
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์ด์ œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์Œ์„ฑ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์—
27:05
past with people from stutters and lisps.
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๋ง๋”๋“ฌ์ด์™€ ์ž…์ˆ ์ด ์ž˜ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ์žฅ์• ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:09
And as soon as I heard her, I was instantly interested because I was like,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ์ž๋งˆ์ž ๋‚˜๋Š”
27:13
"Oh, I can help you."
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"์•„, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋„์™€์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:16
And I instantly assumed that she had a problem with her lisp
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ํ˜€ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ์— ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ 
27:20
and she would want to fix it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ์น˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:22
That was my assumption.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์˜ ๊ฐ€์ •์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:24
And so, rather than just keeping it to myself, one of the first
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
27:28
things I said to her was,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ๋ง์€
27:30
"Ah, that's interesting.
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"์•„, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋‹ค.
27:31
You have a lisp."
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ํ˜€๋ฅผ ์ฐจ๋Š”๊ตฌ๋‚˜."์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:33
She was evidently very, very upset about the fact that I pointed it out.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ง€์ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
27:38
And I read the situation straight away and thought, oh,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณง๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ์ฝ๊ณ  ' ์•„,
27:42
I shouldn't have said anything.
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์•„๋ฌด ๋ง๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•˜์–ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
27:44
And then there was just this really awkward, like 30 minutes of her doing
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ 30๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ
27:48
my hair, pulling a little harder than usual, you know, while I try
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๋‚ด ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์†์งˆํ•˜๊ณ  ํ‰์†Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์„ธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹น๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋“ฑ ์ •๋ง ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”
27:52
to backpedal and save the situation.
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๋’ค๋กœ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ์„œ์„œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ํ”ผํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:55
Brilliant.
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๋ฉ‹์ง„.
27:57
Brilliant.
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๋ฉ‹์ง„.
27:58
Awkward.
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์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•œ.
27:59
You didn't sit there in silence then?
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๊ทธ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์กฐ์šฉํžˆ ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‚˜์š”?
28:00
No, I carried on trying to salvage the, you know, the burning building.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ €๋Š” ๋ถˆํƒ€๋Š” ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ์ธ์–‘ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๊ณ„์† ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
28:05
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
28:06
Talking about things, complimenting her on everything.
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์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ์นญ์ฐฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:09
It was a very innocent question.
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์•„์ฃผ ์ˆœ์ง„ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค.
28:11
What I wanted to do was offer help, but I just assumed that she wanted it.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:15
And that was a bad assumption to make.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฐ€์ •์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:17
So, I think the rule is don't mention, or ask personal questions
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทœ์น™์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
28:24
and don't mention anything personal.
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:26
So, those are the things that we should avoid.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ”ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:29
So, just to recap those, we had politics, religion, we talked about money, about not
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์š”์•ฝํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ •์น˜, ์ข…๊ต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
28:36
trying to be funny because humour doesn't always translate, and being too personal.
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์œ ๋จธ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์›ƒ๊ธฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:42
So, those are the things that you should avoid.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ ํ”ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
28:44
But what things could we talk about with a stranger when we're
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”
28:48
striking up a conversation?
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?
28:50
What's the safe zone?
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์•ˆ์ „์ง€๋Œ€๋ž€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
28:53
Well, that is a great question.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋„ค์š”.
28:55
Because when you're in that situation, you need to talk about something and I
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
29:01
would always recommend, and it's something that I do, I just use shared experience.
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ณต์œ ๋œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:05
Is there anything that is taking place right now that we're both sharing
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ 
29:10
and both have an experience of?
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์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
29:12
Temperature of the room, how hot the coffee is, what was the last
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๋ฐฉ์˜ ์˜จ๋„, ์ปคํ”ผ๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋œจ๊ฑฐ์› ๋Š”์ง€ , ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰
29:15
speaker like, what's the venue like?
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๋ฐœํ‘œ์ž๋Š” ์–ด๋• ๋Š”์ง€, ์žฅ์†Œ๋Š” ์–ด๋• ๋Š”์ง€?
29:17
You know, any of that, something that we both can have some sort of
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์–ด๋–ค ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
29:20
opinion about, and it's fairly neutral and sits sort of between us both.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ค‘๋ฆฝ์  ์ด๋ฉฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๋†“์—ฌ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:25
Yeah.
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29:25
What do you think about that?
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์‘.
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”?
29:26
Absolutely.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
29:27
Do you remember what the first thing I said to you was?
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ๋ง์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
29:30
When I first reached out to you,
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
29:33
Um.
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์Œ.
29:34
It was a long time ago, now.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ „ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:39
Well, no, honestly.
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ์•„๋‹ˆ, ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ.
29:40
So, I think with you, I really liked your camera work.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์นด๋ฉ”๋ผ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:45
So, I've been watching you on Instagram for a while.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์ธ์Šคํƒ€๊ทธ๋žจ์œผ๋กœ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
29:48
Not like a stalker.
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์Šคํ† ์ปค ๊ฐ™์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
29:49
Right.
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29:49
Like a researcher.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
์—ฐ๊ตฌ์›์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ์š”.
29:51
Researcher, yeah.
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29:51
I'd been watching you and your filming style, your shorts, the style of your
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์—ฐ๊ตฌ์› ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ดฌ์˜ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ, ๋ฐ˜๋ฐ”์ง€,
29:55
shorts had changed and it looked like you'd upgraded your camera equipment.
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๋ฐ˜๋ฐ”์ง€ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ณ  ์นด๋ฉ”๋ผ ์žฅ๋น„๊ฐ€ ์—…๊ทธ๋ ˆ์ด๋“œ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:00
And I just really liked it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:01
So, the first thing I said to you, even though I had no idea who you were or how
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ง์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€,
30:07
you would receive an unsolicited message, and the first thing I said to you was,
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์›์น˜ ์•Š๋Š” ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชฐ๋ž์Œ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ง์€
30:11
"Hey, I love the new style of your shorts.
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"์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ฐ˜๋ฐ”์ง€์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:15
Have you got a new camera?
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์นด๋ฉ”๋ผ ์ƒˆ๋กœ ์ƒ€์–ด? ์ •๋ง
30:16
It looks great."
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์ข‹์•„ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ."
30:17
And that instantly sparked quite a warm interaction between us because I started
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๊ฝค ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•œ ์ƒํ˜ธ ์ž‘์šฉ์„ ์ด‰๋ฐœ์‹œ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:23
with a compliment talking about something that we have a shared interest in,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณตํ†ต ๊ด€์‹ฌ์‚ฌ์ธ
30:28
which is filming and creating content.
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์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ์ดฌ์˜๊ณผ ์ œ์ž‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์นญ์ฐฌ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:30
Yeah, I mean that, I remember now, yes, that was it.
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์‘, ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๋Š”๋ฐ , ์‘, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ.
30:33
The interaction where you pay somebody a compliment, I think really opens
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ์นญ์ฐฌ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ์€ ์ •๋ง
30:37
many, many doors, having a warm response or at least a warm interaction
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๋งŽ์€ ๋ฌธ์„ ์—ด์–ด์ค€๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•œ ๋ฐ˜์‘์ด๋‚˜ ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•œ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ์€
30:42
really encourages the other party to step forward and open up as well.
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์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ๋„ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๊ณ  ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์—ด๋„๋ก ๊ฒฉ๋ คํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:45
Yeah.
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30:45
So, starting with a compliment, but is there any like limit to that, is
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์นญ์ฐฌ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ œํ•œ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
30:50
there a point where paying someone a compliment can be taken in the
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ์นญ์ฐฌ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
30:53
wrong way as an opening interaction.
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์˜คํ”„๋‹ ์ƒํ˜ธ ์ž‘์šฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง€์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
30:57
Yeah, I think as we've been discussing already, referring back to the current
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๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
31:01
or the previous list of things like being too personal, like, you know,
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
31:05
what somebody really looks like or their weight, their age, you know, how tired
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ์‹ค์ œ ๋ชจ์Šต์ด๋‚˜ ์ฒด์ค‘, ๋‚˜์ด, ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ํ”ผ๊ณคํ•œ์ง€ ๋“ฑ์˜ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋˜๋Š” ์ด์ „ ๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฐธ์กฐํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:10
they are, perhaps, you know, being too personal, obviously that I wouldn't
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ด์–ด์„œ ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ€๊ณ  ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ,
31:14
push beyond that, but something that's fairly superficial on the surface,
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31:19
about camera work, as you said.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์นด๋ฉ”๋ผ ์ž‘์—…๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ ํ‘œ๋ฉด์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ํ”ผ์ƒ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:21
Well, like if someone likes your briefcase or your bag,
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋ฅ˜ ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
31:24
"I love, I love that bag where did you get that from?
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"์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•ด์š”, ์ € ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ข‹์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์–ด๋””์„œ ๋‚ฌ์–ด์š”?
31:27
Do you find that works well for you?
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ž˜ ๋งž์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‚˜์š”?
31:28
Can you get your laptop in there?"
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋…ธํŠธ๋ถ์„ ๋„ฃ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?"
31:30
Something that's a little bit more external.
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์ข€ ๋” ์™ธ๋ถ€์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ.
31:32
So, I've had it where people have come to me and I think maybe as a woman, I feel
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ฐพ์•„์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ์„œ
31:38
a bit more sensitive to these things, but, if a guy that I don't know, maybe
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ์ข€ ๋” ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€
31:42
at a conference comes up to me and says,
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ํšŒ์˜์—์„œ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์˜จ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ €ํ•œํ…Œ
31:46
"That colour really suits you, you look really cute."
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"์ € ์ƒ‰ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฌ๋„ค์š” , ์ •๋ง ๊ท€์—ฝ๋„ค์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
31:49
Or sometimes people use the word 'sexy' or something like that.
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ฐ€๋” '์„น์‹œํ•˜๋‹ค'๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
31:53
Yeah.
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31:53
And as soon as I hear the word cute or sexy, I switch off and say,
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ท€์—ฝ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์„น์‹œํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ์ž๋งˆ์ž ๋‚˜๋Š” ์Šค์œ„์น˜๋ฅผ ๋„๊ณ  ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:56
"This is a predator.
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"์ด๊ฑด ํฌ์‹์ž์•ผ.
31:57
Don't talk to that person."
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋ง์„ ๊ฑธ์ง€ ๋งˆ."
31:59
Yeah.
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31:59
Red flag.
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์‘.
๋นจ๊ฐ„ ๊นƒ๋ฐœ.
32:00
What they might be doing is just trying to pay me a compliment of trying to
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€
32:04
find a way to strike up a conversation.
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๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์นญ์ฐฌ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:06
And that's the only thing they can think of to say is that
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๋ง์€
32:10
"You look great.
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"๋‹น์‹  ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ ธ์š”. ์ •๋ง
32:11
That looks great on you."
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32:11
But they've used the wrong words like 'sexy' or 'cute' or 'gorgeous',
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๋ฉ‹์ ธ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‚˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด '์„น์‹œํ•˜๋‹ค', '๊ท€์—ฝ๋‹ค', 'ํ™”๋ คํ•˜๋‹ค' ๊ฐ™์€ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
32:17
anything like that about me.
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•ฝํƒˆ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ 
32:19
Don't use it because I think you're being predatory.
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์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค .
32:23
So, it's better to compliment, if you're going to open that way, compliment
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์นญ์ฐฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์—ด๋ ค๋ฉด
32:27
something that's outside of that person.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์™ธ๋ถ€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์นญ์ฐฌํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
32:30
So, compliment their shoes or, you know, like I said, their bag or
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‹ ๋ฐœ์„ ์นญ์ฐฌํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ์ด๋‚˜
32:35
the work that you've just seen them do, the talk that they just gave.
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๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋ณธ ์ผ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์นญ์ฐฌํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
32:38
"Oh, that was a really great talk.
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"์˜ค, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:40
You seem like you've done this quite a few times before.
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์ด์ „์—๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ๊ฝค ๋งŽ์ด ํ•ด๋ณธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ตฐ์š”.
32:42
Have you?"
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32:42
Yeah.
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32:42
Yeah.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?"
์‘.
์‘.
32:43
Anything like that can get a conversation going without offending the person
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์€ ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์„ ํ™”๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
32:47
or being too, you know, creepy.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์†Œ๋ฆ„๋ผ์น˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด์„œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ด๋Œ์–ด ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:51
Yeah, yeah.
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์‘, ์‘.
32:52
And once that ball is rolling with that external conversation, you know, about
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๊ณต์ด
32:57
your bag and things, you could then use the information that is then volunteered
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๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ๊ณผ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์™ธ๋ถ€ ๋Œ€ํ™”์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ตด๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ์ž์›ํ•ด์„œ ์ œ๊ณต๋˜๋Š” ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ
33:02
to you to keep that conversation going, keep that conversation flowing.
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๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ณ„์† ์ด์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:06
Yeah, it's like being a detective, isn't it?
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์‘, ๋งˆ์น˜ ํƒ์ •์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”?
33:08
You're then listening for clues of things that you can latch onto.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ถ™์žก์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹จ์„œ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:12
Like if someone says,
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๋งˆ์น˜ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€
33:13
"Oh yeah.
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"์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
33:14
Oh thanks.
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33:14
Yeah, I love this pen too.
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์•„ ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ.
๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚˜๋„ ์ด ํŽœ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด.
33:16
I got it from an event at Apple."
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์• ํ”Œ ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ์—์„œ ์ƒ€์–ด."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:18
"Oh, you went to the Apple event?"
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"์•„, ์• ํ”Œ ํ–‰์‚ฌ์— ๊ฐ€์…จ๋‚˜์š”?"
33:20
"I think, I was invited to that but I couldn't make it."
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"์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ดˆ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฐธ์„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”."
33:23
Little things like that you can grab and see if you can find something
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ž‘์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด
33:27
that you have in common that you can then comment on as well.
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๊ณตํ†ต์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฐพ์•„ ๋Œ“๊ธ€์„ ๋‹ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:31
So, what other topics would be a safe thing to talk about?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ค ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด๋„ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ๊ฐ€์š”?
33:36
Particularly being British, there's one thing that always springs to mind.
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ํŠนํžˆ ์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:41
I've really tried to sit on this the entire podcast episode today.
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์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ ์ „์ฒด๋ฅผ ์ด ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:45
I haven't asked you about the weather and I'm sort of questioning
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‚ ์”จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌป์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ณ 
33:49
my birthrights, right about now.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ ๋‚ด ํƒ€๊ณ ๋‚œ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์˜๋ฌธ์„ ์ œ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:51
But, yes, I think one of the cliches that gets absolutely hammered is the weather.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ง์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ์ง„๋ถ€ํ•œ ํ‘œํ˜„ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ ์”จ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:56
What are your thoughts on that?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
33:57
Well, you know, stereotypes are deemed to be bad because they tar an
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ณ ์ •๊ด€๋…์€
34:04
entire group of people, but actually stereotypes don't come from nowhere.
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์ „์ฒด ๊ทธ๋ฃน์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ํƒ€๋ฅดํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ณ ์ •๊ด€๋…์€ ์•„๋ฌด๋ฐ์„œ๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณ ์ •
34:08
Stereotypes always have a root in truth and it is true that the
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๊ด€๋…์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ง„์‹ค์— ๋ฟŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋‘๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋‚ ์”จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
34:14
stereotypical British conversation about the weather, it's real.
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์˜๊ตญ์˜ ๊ณ ์ •๊ด€๋… ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:18
We do talk about the weather all the time, at least I do.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‚ ์”จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:21
I don't know about you.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค.
34:23
Yeah.
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34:23
No, I'm guilty of that as well.
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์‘.
์•„๋‹ˆ, ๋‚˜๋„ ์œ ์ฃ„๋‹ค.
34:24
Talking about the weather, Rob, it has been horrific.
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๋‚ ์”จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉด Rob, ์ •๋ง ๋”์ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
34:27
We actually had to postpone this recording because the weather
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์‚ฌ์‹ค
34:31
this week has been horrendous.
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์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ ๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋‚˜๋น ์„œ ๋…นํ™”๋ฅผ ์—ฐ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ โ€‹โ€‹ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
34:34
We had a little storm pass through and yesterday, I think it was
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ํญํ’์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๊ฐ”๊ณ  ์–ด์ œ, ์–ด์ œ
34:38
yesterday or the day before, we actually lost three fence panels.
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์ธ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์ „๋‚ ์ด์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šธํƒ€๋ฆฌ ํŒจ๋„ ์„ธ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์žƒ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:42
Wow.
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์šฐ์™€.
34:43
Okay.
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34:43
Chasing them down the street.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ซ“์•„๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:45
Okay.
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34:45
Well, no, they've just gone into the neighbour's garden.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ด์›ƒ์ง‘ โ€‹โ€‹์ •์›์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:47
Luckily the neighbour's not blown into ours.
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๋‹คํ–‰์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ด์›ƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ง‘์œผ๋กœ ๋‚ ์•„๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๋…„ ์ด๋ง˜๋•Œ์ฏค์—
34:50
The last time we had a big storm, which was around this time last year, we
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ํฐ ํญํ’์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์„ ๋•Œ
34:54
actually lost a tree and two fence panels.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‚˜๋ฌด ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋ฃจ์™€ ์šธํƒ€๋ฆฌ ํŒจ๋„ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์žƒ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:56
So, at least the trees didn't fall down this time because
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์“ฐ๋Ÿฌ์ง€์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
34:59
that causes a lot of damage.
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๋งŽ์€ ํ”ผํ•ด๋ฅผ ์ž…ํžˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:01
Yeah, absolutely.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
35:03
Yeah.
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35:03
I mean, the weather is always, and it's always a predictable answer, especially if
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์‘.
์ œ ๋ง์€, ๋‚ ์”จ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜ˆ์ธก ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ
35:07
you're conversing with a Brit, you know,
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์˜๊ตญ์ธ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
35:08
"How's the weather?"
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"๋‚ ์”จ๋Š” ์–ด๋•Œ์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
35:09
So, well, guess, you know, raining, windy, overcast, you know, something like this.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ๋น„๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์ด ๋ถˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ํ๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ถ”์ธกํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
35:14
But it seems that we're always complaining about the weather in one form or another.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์–ด๋–ค ํ˜•ํƒœ๋กœ๋“  ๋‚ ์”จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ถˆํ‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:18
If it's beautiful weather, most of us are going,
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๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์œผ๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€
35:21
"Oh gosh, it's so hot, isn't it?"
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"์•„, ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ฅ์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:23
"Oh, I can't get away from it.
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"์•„, ํ—ค์–ด๋‚  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด. ์ˆจ์ด
35:25
It's just stifling."
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๋ง‰ํž ๋ฟ์ด์•ผ."
35:26
We complain if it's too hot and we also complain if it's too
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋”์šฐ๋ฉด ๋ถˆํ‰ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋„ˆ๋ฌด
35:30
cold, wet and windy, which it is most of the time, to be honest.
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์ถฅ๊ณ , ์Šตํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์ด ๋ถˆ๋ฉด ๋ถˆํ‰ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:32
And I think it's because in this country, although we don't have extreme
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—๋Š” ๋น„๋ก
35:36
weather in the way that, you know, other places around the world experience
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์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ
35:41
like earthquakes and tornadoes.
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์ง€์ง„์ด๋‚˜ ํ† ๋„ค์ด๋„๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ทน๋‹จ์ ์ธ ๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:42
Though we did have a tornado, didn't we?
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๋น„๋ก ํ† ๋„ค์ด๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ง€๋‚œ ์ฃผ
35:45
In the north of England, took off like hundreds of roofs
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์˜๊ตญ ๋ถ๋ถ€์—์„œ๋Š” ํ† ๋„ค์ด๋„๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜์—ฌ ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ ๊ฐœ์˜ ์ง€๋ถ•์ด ๋‚ ์•„๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
35:48
last week there was a tornado.
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.
35:51
Really?
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35:51
Yeah.
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35:51
I saw, you know, on Facebook, you know, on Facebook, they have
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์ •๋ง?
์‘.
ํŽ˜์ด์Šค๋ถ์—์„œ
35:55
that 'mark yourself safe' thing.
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'์ž์‹ ์„ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ‘œ์‹œ'ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:57
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
35:58
So if there's a big, if there's a big emergency, then
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํฐ ๊ธด๊ธ‰ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
36:02
you can mark yourself safe.
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์ž์‹ ์„ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ‘œ์‹œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:03
So, people on Facebook know that you escaped.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํŽ˜์ด์Šค๋ถ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํƒˆ์ถœํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
36:06
And I saw that one of my friends up in like Manchester had marked
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ œ ์นœ๊ตฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด ํญํ’์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ‘œ์‹œํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:10
themselves safe from the, like, I can't remember where it was, but mark
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์–ด๋””์˜€๋Š”์ง€ ๊ธฐ์–ต์€ ์•ˆ ๋‚˜์ง€๋งŒ
36:14
themselves safe from the tornado.
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ํ† ๋„ค์ด๋„์—์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ‘œ์‹œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:15
And I was like,
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36:15
"This has got to be a joke.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
"์ด๊ฑด ๋†๋‹ด์ด๊ฒ ๊ตฐ์š”.
36:17
This person's obviously been hacked.
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•ดํ‚น๋‹นํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:18
We don't have tornadoes in this country."
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์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—๋Š” ํ† ๋„ค์ด๋„๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:20
And then my mum said,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ž ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€
36:21
"Oh, you know, David's..."
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"์•„, ๋ฐ์ด๋น—์˜ ๊ฒƒ..."์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”.
36:23
My brother who lives up in the north.
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๋ถ์ชฝ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋‚ด ๋™์ƒ์ด์š”.
36:25
"David's doing okay.
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"๋ฐ์ด๋น„๋“œ๋Š” ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
36:26
He's still got his roof and he's okay.
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์•„์ง ์ง€๋ถ•๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”.
36:28
He's safe from the tornado."
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ํ† ๋„ค์ด๋„๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•ด์š”."
36:29
And I was like,
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36:29
"What?"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
"๋ญ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
36:31
There was actually a tornado crazy.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฏธ์นœ ํ† ๋„ค์ด๋„๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:33
Wow.
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์šฐ์™€.
36:34
Wow.
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์šฐ์™€.
36:35
But yes, our weather here is, although not usually extreme, it is
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ณณ์˜ ๋‚ ์”จ๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ๊ทน๋‹จ์ ์ด์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ˆ์ธกํ• 
36:41
unpredictable, and so, it's something that we always like to talk about.
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์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:45
And actually it's a good conversation starter if you're at a venue in a
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
36:50
professional environment and the weather's been generally quite bad,
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์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์˜ ์žฅ์†Œ์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฝค ๋‚˜๋นด๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ข‹์€ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:55
but on this one occasion for this one day during an outdoor event, it's okay.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋ฒˆ ์•ผ์™ธ ํ–‰์‚ฌ ์ค‘ ์ด๋ฒˆ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:59
You could start with,
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37:01
"We've been lucky with this weather today, haven't we?"
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"์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์šด์ด ์ข‹์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?"๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
37:03
It's a good line.
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์ข‹์€ ๋ผ์ธ์ด์—์š”.
37:05
Or the organisers have been quite unlucky today, haven't they?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ฃผ์ตœ์ธก์ด ๊ฝค ์šด์ด ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‚˜์š”?
37:08
You know, so it's a really good way to kind of initiate the conversation in a
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
37:12
very safe way, talking about the weather.
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๋‚ ์”จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:17
But if you are at an event, then that could also create an
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ–‰์‚ฌ์— ์ฐธ์„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์žก๋‹ด์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋„ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€
37:22
opportunity for small talk, can't it?
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์•Š์„๊นŒ์š”?
37:24
You just talk about what's going on around you.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋งŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
37:27
Can you give us some examples?
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๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
37:29
Yeah.
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์‘.
37:30
I mean, so, you know, being at an event, I think the weather is
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ์— ์ฐธ์„ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€
37:33
just a really good starting point.
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ถœ๋ฐœ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:35
But if you feel a little bit more adventurous, you could start to probe
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ข€ ๋” ๋ชจํ—˜์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
37:39
about if it's their first time here or how long they've been a part of the company
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์ด๊ณณ์— ์ฒ˜์Œ ์™”๋Š”์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํšŒ์‚ฌ์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ
37:44
they work for; what they think of the coffee, you know, do they take sugar?
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๊ทผ๋ฌดํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ์‚ฌํ•ด ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ปคํ”ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ , ์„คํƒ•์„ ๋จน๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€
37:48
Do they not?
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์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
37:49
So milk, almond milk, coconut milk, all the rest of it.
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์šฐ์œ , ์•„๋ชฌ๋“œ ์šฐ์œ , ์ฝ”์ฝ”๋„› ๋ฐ€ํฌ, ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘์š”.
37:52
So, you know, think things like this.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
37:54
I think another cliche whether at a business event or just, you know,
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๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ํ–‰์‚ฌ์—์„œ๋“ ,
37:58
down the coffee shop or waiting for a bus, is holidays, you know.
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์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ๋“ , ๋ฒ„์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋“ , ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง„๋ถ€ํ•œ ํ‘œํ˜„์€ ํœด์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ฌํ•ด๋Š” ์‰ฌ๋Š”
38:02
Have you had much time off this year, et cetera?
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋งŽ์•˜๋‚˜์š” ?
38:05
What do you think about that one?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”?
38:06
Is this one of your go-to small talk lines?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ž์ฃผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์žก๋‹ด ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ?
38:08
This is always what I associate with the hairdressers.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ์šฉ์‚ฌ์™€ ์—ฐ๊ด€์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
38:13
So, with my sons, we play a lot of games.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋“ค๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•ด์š”.
38:16
I'm a very playful mum.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์žฅ๋‚œ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์—„๋งˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:18
Especially when I want them to do things that they're not very good at doing.
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ํŠนํžˆ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ž˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
38:20
Like brushing their teeth every night.
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๋งค์ผ ๋ฐค ์ด๋ฅผ ๋‹ฆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:23
When they brush their teeth my three year old would come to
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์–‘์น˜์งˆ์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ, ์„ธ ์‚ด์งœ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์นซ์†”์„ ๋“ค๊ณ  ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์™€์„œ
38:26
me with his toothbrush and say,
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38:27
"I want to see the dentist."
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"์น˜๊ณผ์— ๊ฐ€๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:29
Because at one point they were getting too fast at brushing their
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ด๋Š ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–‘์น˜๋ฅผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ํ•ด์„œ ๋‚˜๋‚˜
38:33
teeth and they wouldn't really let me or my partner help them.
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๋‚ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋„์™€์ฃผ๋„๋ก ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:37
And so we introduced the dentist game and I'd be like,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์น˜๊ณผ ์˜์‚ฌ ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
38:40
"Hello!
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38:40
Who's coming to sit in the dentist chair?"
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"์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”!
์น˜๊ณผ ์˜์ž์— ์•‰์œผ๋Ÿฌ ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋‚˜์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌป๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:42
And then they lie down on the floor.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ๋ˆ•์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:44
I'm sitting down with my legs crossed and they put their head in my lap and
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ผฌ๊ณ  ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋‚ด ๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์— ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์–น๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด
38:47
then I can brush their teeth really well.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์–‘์น˜์งˆ์„ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
38:49
And as I'm doing it, I always say,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋Š˜ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง์ด
38:52
"So, have you been on holiday this year?"
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"๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์˜ฌํ•ด๋Š” ํœด๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ ๋ณด๋‚ด์…จ๋‚˜์š”?"
38:56
So, that's the dentist.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ ์น˜๊ณผ์˜์‚ฌ๊ตฐ์š”.
38:57
It's very convincing, very condensing.
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๋งค์šฐ ์„ค๋“๋ ฅ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์••์ถ•๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:58
Yeah.
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38:58
Yeah.
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38:58
And we do the hairdressers in when we're in the bath and I'm washing their hair and
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์‘.
์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉ์š•ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ฏธ์šฉ์‚ฌ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
39:03
that's always one that comes up as well.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
39:04
Like,
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39:05
"Been anywhere nice this year?"
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"์˜ฌํ•ด๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๊ณณ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?"
39:07
Fantastic.
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ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:08
I'm going on holiday next week.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ ์ฃผ์— ํœด๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ฐˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
39:09
I'm going to the Bahamas.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”ํ•˜๋งˆ์— ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋‹ค.
39:10
Have you ever been?
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๊ฐ€๋ณธ ์  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
39:12
And so, yeah, talking about travel is something that people
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์—ฌํ–‰์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
39:16
generally enjoy discussing.
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ† ๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:19
Travel isn't usually a negative topic for anybody.
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์—ฌํ–‰์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์ฃผ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:23
So, it's a safe one to bring up and people get excited when
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
39:26
talking about their adventures.
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ชจํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ ํฅ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:29
That's it.
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39:29
That's it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ.
๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ.
39:30
And I think that's a really key point just to sort of land on there is about talking
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
39:34
about their own personal experience.
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ํฌ์ธํŠธ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:36
You know, if you start to talk to somebody about them and what they enjoy
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ์ด๋‚˜ ํœด์ผ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด
39:41
doing, like you said about the bag or the holidays, you see people just
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ๋ฐ์•„์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:44
light up, you know, they explode with conversation and it makes that small
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋กœ ํญ๋ฐœํ•˜์—ฌ ์ž‘์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
39:48
talk piece, that getting to know one another much easier as they're sort of
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ •๋ณด ํญํฌ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
39:52
just this waterfall of information then.
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.
39:55
Yeah.
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์‘.
39:56
People just love talking about themselves, and so, you know, this
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด
40:01
is one of the things I teach when talking about listening skills.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
40:05
Really giving people a chance to talk and actually listening.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ž์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š”
40:10
Listening to them in a way that's wanting to learn from them, rather than just
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๊ทธ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ,
40:15
waiting for your chance to talk about yourself, but really listening to them
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด
40:20
makes them feel valued and makes them feel heard and that makes them warm to
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์†Œ์ค‘ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋“ค์–ด์ค€๋‹ค๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด
40:26
you more than they would other people.
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์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•ด์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ.
40:29
I definitely can think of the people that I enjoy talking to.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:33
And those are the people who I feel like they want to know about my life and they
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‚ด ์‚ถ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๊ณ 
40:38
want to know what's going on with me.
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๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:40
And those are the people that are my best friends and the people I enjoy spending
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‚˜์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์นœํ•œ ์นœ๊ตฌ์ด๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:44
time with the most because they give me a platform to feel heard and so, giving
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
40:48
people a chance to talk about their personal experience is a really great way
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:53
to get started when talking to someone.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ.
40:56
Like you said about not just waiting for your turn to speak.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•  ์ฐจ๋ก€๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:59
I think that's just, it's such good advice, especially now as people
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์กฐ์–ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์žฅ
41:03
are on that hair trigger, just ready to jump in and say their bits.
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๋›ฐ์–ด๋“ค์–ด์„œ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋งํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:08
It's like, listen to the other person and extract some of that
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ •๋ณด ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์ถ”์ถœํ•˜์—ฌ
41:11
information and recycle it.
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์žฌํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ
41:13
You know, recycling that information, as we talked about earlier, is really good.
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๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ•ด๋‹น ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์žฌํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:17
And not closing down the conversation too early with like closed statements,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
41:21
"Have you..", or "Do you..", because that doesn't really give the other party an
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"๋‹น์‹ .." ๋˜๋Š” "๋‹น์‹ .."๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ์‡„์ ์ธ ์ง„์ˆ ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ผ์ฐ ๋๋‚ด์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์„ ํ™•์žฅํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:25
opportunity to really expand on their answer, you know, using open-ended
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๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ˜•
41:29
questions, "How long?", "Where?"
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ "์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋ž˜?", "์–ด๋””?"
41:31
"Who?"
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41:31
"How?"
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41:31
"What?"
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"WHO?"
"์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ?"
"๋ฌด์—‡?"
41:32
you know, all these sorts of words really help with the small talk.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค์€ ์žก๋‹ด์— ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:36
Yeah.
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41:36
So, yeah, you're talking there about like the difference between yes/no
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์‘.
์˜ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”
41:40
questions and then open-ended questions.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ˜• ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ์ฐจ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๊ตฐ์š”.
41:43
So, just to really make it clear, a yes/no question is something like,
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜ˆ/์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
41:49
"Have you been here before?"
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"์ „์— ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๊ฐ€๋ณด์‹  ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?"์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:51
Or
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๋˜๋Š”
41:52
"Did you enjoy that?"
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"์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ๋‚˜์š”?"
41:53
That, you know, if someone is a good speaker and good at conversation,
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋ง์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ž˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€
41:58
then they'll take that yes/no question and they will expand.
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์˜ˆ/์•„๋‹ˆ์š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ํ™•์žฅ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:01
"Yeah, I've been here before.
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"๋„ค, ์˜ˆ์ „์— ์™€๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
42:02
I actually really enjoyed it last time, but haven't enjoyed it as much this time.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ง€๋‚œ๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ฆ๊ฒ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”.
42:06
What did you think?"
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?"
42:07
But potentially if someone is feeling, maybe they don't know you, so they're
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๊ปด์„œ
42:11
a bit apprehensive or they're not very good at small talk, then they'll
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•ดํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
42:14
take that yes/no question and just go,
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์žก๋‹ด์„ ์ž˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์˜ˆ/์•„๋‹ˆ์š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ
42:16
"Yeah."
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"๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”. "
42:17
And then you just hit a brick wall and you have to then start digging
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ฒฝ๋Œ ๋ฒฝ์— ๋ถ€๋”ชํ˜€ ํŒŒํ—ค์ณ์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ณ„์† ์ด์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
42:22
and it becomes more awkward to find something to keep the conversation going.
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์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
42:26
So, as you said, one of the better things to do is use open-ended
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ• ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
42:30
questions, which usually begin with Wh-?
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ Wh-?๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ˜• ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:33
"Why?", "Where?", "When?"
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"์™œ?", "์–ด๋””?", "์–ธ์ œ?"
42:35
and "Who?"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ?"
42:36
"What did you think of the event this year?"
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"์˜ฌํ•ด ํ–‰์‚ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š” ?"
42:39
Things like that give them a chance to then, or they have to,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ,
42:42
they can't just say "yes", "no".
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๋‹จ์ง€ "์˜ˆ", "์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:43
They have to say a little bit more and that helps to keep things going.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ผ์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:48
Are there any other things that you would suggest to someone who's trying
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42:54
to improve their small talk in terms of keeping the conversation flowing
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42:59
once the questions have started and the responses are coming in?
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๊ณ  ์‘๋‹ต์ด ๋“ค์–ด์˜จ ํ›„ ๋Œ€ํ™” ํ๋ฆ„์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์žก๋‹ด์„ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ์•ˆํ•  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
43:03
How would someone keep it going?
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ณ„์†ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
43:06
Because there is sometimes that awkwardness, isn't there, where you
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•จ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
43:08
are brave enough to jump in with a good opening statement or question;
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์ข‹์€ ์„œ๋ฌธ์ด๋‚˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋“ค ๋งŒํผ ์šฉ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ณณ์ด ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
43:13
you get a positive response and then it just falls flat and you're like, I
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ฐ˜์‘์„ ์–ป์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ฌด๋„ˆ์ง€๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ '๋‚ด๊ฐ€
43:19
can't think of anything else to say.
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๋” ํ•  ๋ง์ด ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค'๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:21
Yeah.
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43:21
And then it's even more awkward almost because it's kind of
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ์˜
43:25
started and then stopped.
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์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ค‘๋‹จ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋”์šฑ ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:26
So, what advice would you give in that situation?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด
43:29
I think there are two places where you can go here.
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๋‘ ๊ตฐ๋ฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” .
43:31
The first one is, as we've mentioned before, about recycling the information.
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์•ž์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์ •๋ณด ์žฌํ™œ์šฉ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:35
If you volunteer a piece of information, then I'm going to be
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ž์›ํ•ด์„œ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ €๋Š”
43:39
looking for that and just sort of drill down into that a little bit more.
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๊ทธ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„ ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ
43:43
You know, you mentioned about scuba diving in Egypt and I
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๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด์ง‘ํŠธ์—์„œ์˜ ์Šค์ฟ ๋ฒ„ ๋‹ค์ด๋น™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
43:47
asked you how that was, you know,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋• ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:48
"What did you see?"
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"๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”?"
43:49
And you saw shipwrecks, et cetera.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚œํŒŒ์„  ๋“ฑ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:52
And also using those open-ended questions, I think a combination of those two things,
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๋˜ํ•œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ˜• ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ˜• ์งˆ๋ฌธ์—
43:57
so recycled information, in addition to those open-ended questions really pulls
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๋”ํ•ด ์žฌํ™œ์šฉ๋œ ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€
44:02
your audience, that third party into it.
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์ฒญ์ค‘, ์ฆ‰ ์ œ3์ž๋ฅผ ๋Œ์–ด๋“ค์ด๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:04
And you can really enjoy the conversation as well.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋„ ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
44:07
It's a really good way of keeping it going and if the conversation dries up, you can
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์ด๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ง€์†ํ•˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ• ์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด๋ŽŒ์ง€๋ฉด
44:11
volunteer a piece of information and talk about how or why or when you did something
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์ž์›ํ•ด์„œ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™”์ž๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ, ์™œ, ์–ธ์ œ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
44:17
as well that reflects the speaker.
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.
44:19
What about yourself?
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๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
44:20
I mean, do you have any pro tips?
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ํ”„๋กœ ํŒ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
44:23
So, I think always having like a toolbox of questions, general questions.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์งˆ๋ฌธ, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ๋„๊ตฌ ์ƒ์ž๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:30
So, if we go back to the event scenario.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:34
So, I've been to a lot of events at the ExCel in London and you do
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์˜ ExCel์—์„œ ์—ด๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ํ–‰์‚ฌ์— ๊ฐ€๋ดค๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€
44:39
strike up conversations with people.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:40
So, if you strike up a conversation based on the coffee, so, you're
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ปคํ”ผ์— ๊ธฐ์ดˆํ•˜์—ฌ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
44:44
standing in line, you've just got your coffee, you can see someone
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์ค„์„ ์„œ์„œ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์…จ์„ ๋•Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€
44:47
else has just got their coffee.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:48
And you know that that person is someone that you want to talk to because
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
44:51
they work for a certain company and you want to strike a conversation.
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ํŠน์ • ํšŒ์‚ฌ์— ๊ทผ๋ฌดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:55
And they're drinking the coffee, and you just have a sip of the coffee, and
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ํ•œ ๋ชจ๊ธˆ ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ณ 
44:57
your opening line is something like,
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์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‚ฌ๋Š”
45:01
"What do you think of the coffee?"
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"์ปคํ”ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”?"์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:03
Because you can see maybe they're not enjoying it.
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:05
And they might respond with,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
45:06
"Oh, I've had better."
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"์•„, ์ข€ ๋‚˜์•„์กŒ๋„ค์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:09
Yeah.
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45:09
Then the conversation potentially stops.
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ค‘๋‹จ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:12
And so what you then do is go to your toolbox and think,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์€ ๋„๊ตฌ ์ƒ์ž๋กœ ๊ฐ€์„œ
45:14
"What else can I talk about?"
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"๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜ ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:15
Well, we're in a shared environment, the coffee's not going anywhere.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณต์œ ๋œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ปคํ”ผ๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๋ฐ๋„ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:18
So,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
45:19
"Have you been to any of the talks today?
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"์˜ค๋Š˜ ํšŒ๋‹ด์— ๊ฐ€๋ณด์‹  ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
45:21
I hear that, Monica Lewinsky is doing the closing speech.
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๋ชจ๋‹ˆ์นด ๋ฅด์œˆ์Šคํ‚ค๊ฐ€ ํ๋ง‰ ์—ฐ์„ค์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:24
Are you going to go to that?"
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์‹ค ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?"
45:26
And then that might open up the conversation more.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์—ด๋ฆด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:28
And then if that doesn't work, I might say something about the weather.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ์•ˆ ๋˜๋ฉด ๋‚ ์”จ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•ด์ค„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
45:31
So, having like a set handful of questions that I can throw in and
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ 
45:37
like you said, if the questions don't lead anywhere, then make a statement
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์•„๋ฌด๋ฐ๋„ ์ด์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์ง„์ˆ ์„
45:41
and see if they take the bait.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฏธ๋ผ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
45:42
So, I said,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€
45:44
"What do you think of the coffee?"
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"์ปคํ”ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:45
They said they had better.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋” ๋‚ซ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:47
I don't know what else to say.
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๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์„ ๋” ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:48
I'd say,
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45:48
"This is my first time at the event.
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"์ด๋Ÿฐ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ฒ˜์Œ์ด์—์š”.
45:50
I think it's really good."
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ
45:52
And see if they then, and they should then respond to that with something to
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๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด
45:57
help the conversation flow because it is two way after all people can see if
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๋Œ€ํ™” ํ๋ฆ„์„ ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด์— ์‘๋‹ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์—ฌ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์–‘๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
46:01
you're trying to make a conversation.
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.
46:02
Of course.
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๋ฌผ๋ก .
46:03
Yeah.
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46:03
Yeah.
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์‘.
์‘.
46:04
Yeah.
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46:04
Having a toolkit, having a toolbox of sort of, one liners just to
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์‘.
46:08
deploy in some case, high-pressure situations, you know, this individual
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์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๊ณ ์••์ ์ธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋ฐฐํฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋„๊ตฌ ์ƒ์ž์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋„๊ตฌ ์ƒ์ž๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ํˆดํ‚ท์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ExCel์˜ ์ด ๊ฐœ์ธ์€
46:12
at the ExCel is quite an important character or carries a lot of weight.
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๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ธ๋ฌผ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฌด๊ฒŒ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:16
You might feel the pressure a little bit.
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์••๋ฐ•๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:18
Yeah.
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46:18
And I think especially for non natives that really want to nail
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŠนํžˆ ์ด ์žก๋‹ด์„ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋น„์›์ฃผ๋ฏผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”
46:22
this small talk is to drill, you know, pick three and go with them.
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์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ณจ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:27
What do you think of the coffee?
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์ปคํ”ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”?
46:28
And, you know, really drill that into your vocabulary so you can get that
967
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์–ดํœ˜์— ๊นŠ์ด ํŒŒ๊ณ ๋“ค์–ด
46:32
out even when you're not feeling a hundred percent or a little bit nervous.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด 100% ๋˜๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ์—๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:35
Yeah.
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์‘.
46:36
And then if you want to have more of a conversation with someone, but obviously
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ
46:41
you've literally just hijacked them.
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๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋‚ฉ์น˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
46:44
You've just grabbed their attention.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋Œ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:46
Ambushed.
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๋งค๋ณต๋‹นํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:47
Yeah, perhaps they are having a 10-minute break from what has been
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์˜ˆ, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ฝค ๋ฐ”์œ ์•„์นจ ์— 10๋ถ„ ์ •๋„ ํœด์‹์„ ์ทจํ•˜๊ณ 
46:51
quite a busy morning and they've got another appointment to get to.
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๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•ฝ์†์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:54
You've just jumped in and started making small talk with them.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋“ค์–ด ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ž‘์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:58
So, I think it's really important to read the signs to try and
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
47:03
read whether or not this person..
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋‹Œ์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ‘œ์ง€ํŒ์„ ์ž˜ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”..
47:04
That's a great point.
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์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด๋„ค์š”.
47:05
Are they checking their watch?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹œ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
47:06
Are they checking their phone?
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํœด๋Œ€ํฐ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
47:07
Do they seem distracted?
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์ฃผ์˜๊ฐ€ ์‚ฐ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‚˜์š”?
47:09
So, let's say that you've just struck up conversation with
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์ž, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
47:12
someone you really want to talk to.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
47:14
The small talk is going well, but you can see that they're a little distracted.
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์žก๋‹ด์€ ์ž˜ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์‚ฐ๋งŒํ•œ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌด๋ก€ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์งœ์ฆ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
47:20
Do you have any suggestions of what you might do to make sure that
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47:23
you get a chance to have a deeper conversation with this person, but
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์„œ ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋” ๊นŠ์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์–ป๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ œ์•ˆ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
47:27
without being rude and annoying?
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?
47:30
Yeah.
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์‘.
47:31
Great question, and I'm sure that many people face this on a daily basis.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งค์ผ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ์ง๋ฉดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:36
I would, I mean the first thing is compliment, you know, like we've spoken
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์นญ์ฐฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
47:40
about already, complimenting the other person, thanking them, being grateful for
992
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์ด๋ฏธ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์„ ์นญ์ฐฌํ•˜๊ณ  , ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ ,
47:44
the time that they have spent with you.
993
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:46
And if you are interested in developing this relationship then,
994
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ด ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ์ „์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
47:49
"Thanks very much for your time.
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"์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋‚ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:50
You know, it's been great chatting with you."
996
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๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
47:52
Yeah, that's a good one.
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47:52
So, showing that acknowledgement straight away and then you can
998
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ข‹์€๋ฐ์š”.
๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•ด๋‹น ์Šน์ธ์„ ์ฆ‰์‹œ ํ‘œ์‹œํ•˜๋ฉด
47:55
steer it, you know, either way.
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์–ด๋Š ์ชฝ์ด๋“  ์ด๋ฅผ ์กฐ์ข…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ›„์† ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•˜๊ณ 
47:57
Maybe you do want to follow up or maybe you don't, and
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์‹ถ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:00
"It'd be great to catch up again sometime, if I could grab some details"
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" ์„ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
48:03
or "grab your details" would work.
1002
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๋˜๋Š” "์„ธ๋ถ€ ์ •๋ณด ํ™•์ธ"์ด ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:05
If not be more indirect, you know, very British about it,
1003
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์ข€ ๋” ๊ฐ„์ ‘์ ์ด์ง„ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„, ์•„์ฃผ ์˜๊ตญ์ ์ธ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜์ž๋ฉด,
48:09
"Maybe we'll bump into each other again sometime."
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"์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งˆ์ฃผ์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ผ์š” ."
48:12
And taking the indirect route.
1005
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ„์ ‘์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝ๋กœ๋ฅผ ํƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:14
It really depends what you would like to do in that situation, but certainly
1006
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ทธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€์— ๋‹ฌ๋ ค ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์—
48:17
compliment and be grateful for the time that they have spent with you.
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๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์นญ์ฐฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค .
48:21
Yeah.
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์‘.
48:22
Thoughts on that?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ?
48:23
Would you do anything differently?
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
48:24
In a business setting, I would still these days ask for someone's card.
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๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์š”์ฆ˜์—๋„ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ์š”๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:29
I know that they're becoming less popular because everyone can connect on
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ „ํ™”๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ค„์–ด๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ 
48:32
the phone, but I wouldn't potentially just say I'd love to connect.
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๊ณ ๋งŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:37
I'd love a chance to speak with you more about this.
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์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:40
Or yeah, just using that phrase, it would be great to connect sometime
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋„ค, ๊ทธ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
48:44
or, I'd love to talk more about...
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. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:47
I don't know, filming in 4k.
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4K๋กœ ์ดฌ์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋˜์‹œ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚œ ํ›„ ์–ด๋Š ์‹œ์ ์—
48:48
I'd love to talk more about that, at some point, if you have any time later
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์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
48:53
today or at some point over the event.
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.
48:56
So, just offering up in a really gentle way and also showing appreciation
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ •๋ง ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ํ—Œ๊ธˆ ํ•˜๊ณ 
49:00
for the time that they have, you know, saying something like, you're
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ‘œ์‹œํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ '
49:04
probably busy right now, but if you have any time later, or over the
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋ฐ”์˜๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋‚˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฃผ๋ง์— ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋‚˜๋ฉด
49:08
weekend, it'd be great to catch up.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์žก์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
49:11
Something like that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ.
49:12
Just saying, I appreciate you're probably very busy.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•„๋งˆ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฐ”์˜์‹ค ๊ฑฐ๋ผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:15
I always appreciate it when people contact me.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์š”.
49:18
I get lots of unsolicited messages and emails.
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์›์น˜ ์•Š๋Š” ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€์™€ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:21
And when people say, I appreciate you're probably really busy.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ' ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ •๋ง ๋ฐ”์˜๊ตฌ๋‚˜'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ๋ฉด ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:24
I know you're busy.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฐ”์˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ์•„์š”. ๊ฐ™์€ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ ์ฒด์ธ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด
49:25
If they contact me three or four times on the same email chain and I
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์„œ๋„ˆ ๋ฒˆ ์—ฐ๋ฝํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
49:29
haven't responded, and they usually say, look, I know you're really busy.
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์‘๋‹ตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ๋Œ€๊ฐœ "์ด๋ด ์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ •๋ง ๋ฐ”์˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ์•„์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด.
49:32
And this email is probably just got washed away in a sea of emails.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์˜ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค์— ํœฉ์“ธ๋ ค ๊ฐ”์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:35
I'm just bumping it up in case you are still interested.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ค๊นŒ ๋ด ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:39
That's the best way to approach rather than being.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์กด์žฌํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๋‹ค๊ฐ€๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋‹ค.
49:42
Yeah, pushy, not too pushy, you know, getting, not having an edge to the
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์˜ˆ, ๊ฐ•์••์ , ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ•์••์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ , ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์šฐ์œ„๋ฅผ ์ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ , ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
49:48
conversation, you know, it is the other person's choice, but you know,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์˜ ์„ ํƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
49:51
be grateful, and gracious as well.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์€ํ˜œ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
49:54
"I don't want to keep you" is a good phrase.
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"๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ง€ํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค "๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ํ‘œํ˜„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง
49:58
That's a great one.
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49:58
Especially if you are trying to ascertain whether someone is open to
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์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
ํŠนํžˆ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€
50:02
spending more time chatting with you.
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๊ท€ํ•˜์™€ ์ฑ„ํŒ…์— ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ• ์• ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:05
Maybe you've got an hour free for your lunchtime, and you're not
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์ ์‹ฌ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ์—ฌ์œ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์—†๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์‹ค ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„
50:08
sure if they have or not, and you want to get deep into conversation.
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๋Œ€ํ™”์— ๊นŠ์ด ๋น ์ ธ๋“ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:12
You could say,
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50:12
"Look, I don't want to keep you, but it'd be great to chat to you more about this."
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"์ด๋ด, ๋‚œ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ถ™์žก๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:16
And then they might say to you,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ
50:17
"Well, actually I'm on a break until four o'clock this afternoon.
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"๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์˜คํ›„ 4์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์‰ฌ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
50:20
So, I'm at a bit of a loose end.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ข€ ์—ฌ์œ ๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ตฐ์š”.
50:22
D'you want to go and grab something to eat and we can talk about it now."
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๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ญ ์ข€ ๋“œ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”."
50:25
So, just saying, "I don't want to keep you", it gives them the
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ "๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด
50:29
option to accept or decline more time with you at that point.
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๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ์˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ˆ˜๋ฝํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ถ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜ต์…˜์ด ์ œ๊ณต๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:34
So, it's a good one to remember.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด๋‘์‹œ๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง
50:35
That's a fantastic one.
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ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ด๋„ค์š”.
50:37
Yeah, I don't want to keep you.
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์‘, ๋‚œ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ถ™์žก๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
50:38
And Rob, I have actually kept you now for an hour on this recording, so I
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Rob, ์ €๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด ๋…น์Œ์—์„œ ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ถ™์žก๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
50:43
don't want to keep you any longer.
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๋” ์ด์ƒ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ถ™์žก๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:46
No, it's been an absolute pleasure being here.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:48
It's been absolutely awesome talking through some of this stuff with you.
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๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:51
Yeah.
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์‘.
50:52
Thank you.
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50:52
I've really appreciated all your insights and advice.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์กฐ์–ธ์— ์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:56
What I will do for my Plus Members is to create a little sheet with, like a
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ”Œ๋Ÿฌ์Šค ํšŒ์›์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•  ์ผ์€ ์˜ค๋Š˜
51:02
crib sheet, or a cue sheet with some of the phrases that we've mentioned here
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ
51:06
today and when you should use them.
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์™€ ์–ธ์ œ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ๋‹ด์€ ์œ ์•„์šฉ ์นจ๋Œ€ ์‹œํŠธ๋‚˜ ํ ์‹œํŠธ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ž‘์€ ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:08
And that will be available to Plus Members.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Š” ํ”Œ๋Ÿฌ์Šค ํšŒ์›์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ณต๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:12
So, without further ado, I'm going to thank you, Rob, and I'm going to
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๊ณ ๋ฏผํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๊ณ  Rob์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ 
51:16
encourage my listeners to come and listen to the conversation that we
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์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
51:20
have on your podcast, which is all about how to interrupt someone, but
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋…๋ คํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:26
in a polite way, because sometimes we do need to make a little interjection.
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฐํƒ„์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ •์ค‘ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:30
We do need to interrupt.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:31
Absolutely.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
51:32
But you don't want to offend someone in the process.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์„ ์ƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:34
So if you guys want to hear us talking about that, then I'll leave the
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด
51:39
details and links in the show notes.
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์‡ผ ๋…ธํŠธ์— ์„ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ๊ณผ ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ๋‚จ๊ฒจ ๋‘๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:41
So Rob, where can people find you if they want to listen to you
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ Rob, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ 
51:45
and your lovely tones generally?
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๊ณผ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์Œ์ƒ‰์„ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋””์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
51:47
We're on iTunes, Spotify, and all the other major podcast platforms
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” iTunes, Spotify ๋ฐ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฃผ์š” ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ
51:52
or at thebusinessenglishpodcast.com.
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์ด๋‚˜ thebusinessenglishpodcast.com์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:54
You can find us there.
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:55
Okay, so if I'm on Spotify and I'm just searching for you, I just type
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ Spotify์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
51:59
in the British English Podcast.
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์˜๊ตญ์‹ ์˜์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ž…๋ ฅํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:01
The Business English.
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๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด.
52:02
Oh, the...
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52:02
Business Business.
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์•„, ๊ทธ...
์‚ฌ์—… ์‚ฌ์—….
52:03
The Business.
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52:03
The Business.
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๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค.
๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค.
52:04
The Business English Podcast.
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๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ.
52:05
I mean, they have a great podcast too.
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:06
You know, they have a great podcast too.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:09
But The Business English Podcast.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ.
52:10
Yeah, The Business English Podcast.
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๋„ค, ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:12
Okay.
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52:12
How to offend someone in one line.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
ํ•œ ์ค„๋กœ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ™”๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•.
52:15
Excellent.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ.
52:16
Repeat their name back.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
52:17
Good.
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52:17
Wrong.
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์ข‹์€.
์ž˜๋ชป๋œ.
52:19
Yes.
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52:19
Okay.
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52:19
Yeah.
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์˜ˆ.
์ข‹์•„์š”.
์‘.
52:20
Very good.
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52:20
Okay.
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๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹์€.
์ข‹์•„์š”.
52:21
So The Business English Podcast and you're also on YouTube as well, right?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์™€ YouTube์—๋„ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ์ฃ ?
52:25
That's right.
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52:25
Yeah.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
์‘.
52:26
Energetic English is the channel, so you can find all
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Energetic English๊ฐ€ ์ฑ„๋„์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ
52:28
the podcast material on there.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์ž๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:31
Fantastic.
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52:31
All right.
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ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€.
52:32
Well, thank you so much for joining us and to my listeners, thank you
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:36
for joining and I'll see you and tickle your eardrums again very soon.
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณง ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ต™๊ณ  ๊ณ ๋ง‰์„ ๊ฐ„์ง€๋Ÿฝํž ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:41
Until then, take care and goodbye.
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๊ทธ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์•ˆ๋…•ํžˆ ๊ณ„์„ธ์š”.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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