Mastering Small Talk with Rob Rudge (Business English Podcast)

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My name is Anna and today I'm joined by a very special guest - a fellow podcasting,

Ang pangalan ko ay Anna at ngayon ay kasama ako ng isang napakaespesyal na panauhin - isang kapwa podcasting,

YouTubing, online English teacher.

YouTubing, online na guro sa Ingles.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased to introduce Rob from

Mga kababaihan at mga ginoo, nalulugod akong ipakilala si Rob mula

the Business English Podcast.

sa Business English Podcast.

Now he is a business English communication coach and someone that

Ngayon siya ay isang business English communication coach at isang taong

you should be tuning into if you're hoping to make a good impression

dapat mong subaybayan kung umaasa kang makagawa ng magandang impression

in an English speaking workplace.

sa isang lugar ng trabaho na nagsasalita ng English.

Hello, Rob.

Good morning.

Hello, Rob.

Magandang umaga.

Hi, Anna.

Hi, Anna.

Hi, Anna.

Hi, Anna.

Thanks for having me on, really appreciate it.

Salamat sa pagsama sa akin, talagang pinahahalagahan ito.

You're very welcome.

Walang anuman.

How are you today?

Kamusta ka ngayong araw?

Very well, very well.

Napakahusay, napakahusay.

What about yourself?

Paano ang iyong sarili?

Yeah, I'm all right.

Oo, okay lang ako.

I was just saying before this podcast, I've just finished my coffee

Sinasabi ko lang bago ang podcast na ito, kakatapos ko lang ng kape

and I'm waiting for it to kick in.

at hinihintay ko itong sumipa.

Are you a morning coffee drinker?

Ikaw ba ay umiinom ng kape sa umaga?

I am two in already, so, I'm starting to feel the effects,

I am two in already, so, I'm starting to feel the effects,

you know, coming up as they say.

you know, coming up as they say.

Oh really?

I limit myself to one coffee a day these days.

Oh talaga?

Nililimitahan ko ang aking sarili sa isang kape sa isang araw sa mga araw na ito.

I will have a decaf later in the afternoon because I enjoy the bitterness and I

Magde-decaf ako mamayang hapon dahil nasasarapan ako sa pait at

match it with a little bit of sweetness.

pinapantayan ko ito ng kaunting tamis.

So, I tend to have a little biscotti or a piece of dark chocolate with it.

Kaya, may posibilidad akong magkaroon ng kaunting biscotti o isang piraso ng dark chocolate kasama nito.

Yeah.

Oo.

Do you have your coffee with milk or black?

Mayroon ka bang kape na may gatas o itim?

I have it with milk, but no sugar.

Mayroon akong gatas, ngunit walang asukal.

I was going to say when you said sweetness, I thought are

Sasabihin ko nang sinabi mong tamis, akala ko ba

you putting sugar in this?

nilagyan mo ng asukal ito?

Demerara or...

No, no.

Demerara o...

Hindi, hindi.

I usually have coconut milk.

Karaniwan akong may gata ng niyog.

What about almonds or soy and any of the others?

Paano ang tungkol sa mga almendras o toyo at alinman sa iba pa?

No, so, if I run out of coconut milk, I will use some of the oat milk, if

Hindi, so, kung maubusan ako ng gata ng niyog, gagamit ako ng oat milk, kung

we have like a barista oat milk in the house, I'll use some of that, but I

meron kaming parang barista oat milk sa bahay, gagamit ako niyan, pero

like the sweetness of coconut milk, I have a bit of a sweet tooth, you see.

gusto ko ang tamis ng gata ng niyog, Medyo sweet tooth ako, kita mo.

Uh-huh.

Uh huh.

So it keeps me on the straight and narrow, having a slightly sweet coffee,

Kaya't pinapanatili ako nito sa tuwid at makitid, pagkakaroon ng bahagyang matamis na kape,

keeps me away from the naughty treats.

inilalayo ako sa mga malikot na pagkain.

Good.

Just take the edge off.

Mabuti. Alisin mo lang ang gilid.

Yeah.

Oo.

Rob, I want to start with a question.

Rob, gusto kong magsimula sa isang tanong.

Sure.

A completely random question.

Oo naman. Isang ganap na random na tanong.

If you had any superpower besides flying and time travel, because

Kung mayroon kang anumang superpower bukod sa paglipad at paglalakbay sa oras, dahil

everyone says, "I'd love to fly."

sinasabi ng lahat, "Gusto kong lumipad."

or "I'd love to time travel."

o "Gusto kong mag-time travel."

What would your superpower be?"

Ano ang magiging superpower mo?"

I think, I would like to breathe underwater.

Sa palagay ko, gusto kong huminga sa ilalim ng tubig.

That would be something very interesting to me, it'd allow me to get down into

Iyon ay magiging isang bagay na lubhang kawili-wili para sa akin, ito ay magpapahintulot sa akin na lumusong sa

the sea, go and see some cool things.

dagat, pumunta at makita ang ilang mga cool na bagay.

I think we know more about the surface of the Moon than we do the bottom

Sa tingin ko mas marami tayong nalalaman tungkol sa ibabaw ng Buwan kaysa sa ilalim

of the ocean, so I think that would be quite interesting to go and see.

ng karagatan, kaya sa palagay ko ay magiging kawili-wiling puntahan iyon.

That's very true.

Totoong-totoo iyon.

Have you done any scuba diving or snorkelling?

Nakagawa ka na ba ng anumang scuba diving o snorkelling?

I've done a little bit, little bit around the Caribbean, and unfortunately in

Nakagawa na ako ng kaunti, kaunti kaunti sa paligid ng Caribbean, at sa kasamaang-palad sa

some of the quarries in the UK, which isn't the same experience, surprisingly

ilan sa mga quarry sa UK, na hindi katulad ng karanasan, nakakagulat

. No.

. Hindi.

And, fairly cold, I would say, a little bit colder than the Caribbean as well,

At, medyo malamig, sasabihin ko, medyo mas malamig din kaysa sa Caribbean,

which means you have to dive in a hood.

na nangangahulugang ikaw Kailangang sumisid sa hood.

Was it a dry suit or a wet suit?

Dry suit ba o wet suit?

I had a wet suit on, just the organisation I was with at the time only had wet suits.

Nakasuot ako ng wet suit, wet suit lang ang organisasyon na kasama ko noon.

So, that's what we used.

So, yun ang ginamit namin.

Yeah.

Cause often in UK waters, because of the cold, they make you dive with a

Oo.

Madalas kasi sa Ang tubig sa UK, dahil sa lamig, pinapa-dive ka nila gamit ang

dry suit, which keeps you dry and warm.

tuyong suit, na nagpapanatiling tuyo at mainit.

I've never done any diving in UK waters.

Hindi pa ako nakagawa ng anumang diving sa tubig ng UK.

I've done it in Egypt.

Nagawa ko na ito sa Egypt.

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow.

Nice.

And in swimming pools.

Ang ganda. At sa mga swimming pool.

I did my training...

Ginawa ko ang aking pagsasanay...

training in a UK pool.

pagsasanay sa isang pool sa UK.

I think, did I go scuba diving anywhere else?

Sa tingin ko, nag-scuba diving ba ako sa ibang lugar?

I feel like I have, but I can't remember.

Parang meron ako, pero hindi ko maalala.

What was it like in Egypt?

Ano ang nangyari sa Egypt?

Was it, you know, did you need a wet suit there?

Alam mo ba, kailangan mo ba ng wet suit doon?

Yes.

Oo.

Yes, wet suit and it was lovely.

Oo, wet suit at ito ay kaibig-ibig.

I saw some amazing things.

Nakita ko ang ilang mga kamangha-manghang bagay.

I definitely recommend diving in Egypt.

Talagang inirerekomenda ko ang pagsisid sa Egypt.

They've got some interesting shipwrecks to go and explore and some nice coral, lots

Mayroon silang ilang mga kawili-wiling shipwrecks na pupuntahan at galugarin at ilang magagandang coral, maraming

of interesting aquatic life to check out.

kawili-wiling buhay sa tubig upang tingnan.

Nice.

Ang ganda.

Yeah.

My partner did some of the more advanced dives.

Oo. Ang aking kasosyo ay gumawa ng ilan sa mga mas advanced na pagsisid.

I was quite new to it, but he went diving with some sharks as well.

Ako ay medyo bago sa ito, ngunit siya ay nagpunta sa diving kasama ang ilang mga pating pati na rin.

They took a boat out to the place where they were going to dive and they

Sumakay sila ng bangka papunta sa lugar kung saan sila sisisid at

weren't specifically looking for sharks.

hindi naman sila partikular na naghahanap ng mga pating.

They knew there were sharks potentially in the area.

Alam nilang may potensyal na pating sa lugar.

And the instructor jumped in first to just check out everything was

At pumasok muna ang instructor para tingnan lang na

safe for everyone to come in.

ligtas ang lahat para makapasok ang lahat.

He jumped in and then didn't surface.

Tumalon siya at pagkatapos ay hindi na lumabas.

He disappeared for quite a few minutes and everyone was concerned.

Medyo nawala siya ng ilang minuto at nag-aalala ang lahat.

Eventually, he comes back up and says,

Sa kalaunan, bumalik siya at sinabing,

"Sorry, guys.

"Paumanhin, guys.

I literally jumped on top of a shark when I jumped in."

Literal akong tumalon sa ibabaw ng isang pating nang tumalon ako."

So, the best thing to do with sharks is to go down because if you're

Kaya, ang pinakamagandang gawin sa mga pating ay bumaba dahil kung ikaw ay

above them, they think you're a seal and they're more likely to attack

nasa itaas, iniisip nila na ikaw ay isang selyo at mas malamang na umatake sila

and they attack from underneath.

at sila ay umaatake mula sa ilalim.

So, you go down and you stay still and you keep your eyes on them.

Kaya, bumaba ka at nananatili kang tahimik at pinagmamasdan mo sila.

And so he jumped onto this shark and then had to stay low in the water until

Kaya tumalon siya sa pating na ito at pagkatapos ay kailangang manatili sa tubig hanggang sa

the shark lost interest and disappeared.

mawalan ng interes ang pating at mawala.

So, then he could come back up and say,

Kaya, pagkatapos ay maaari siyang bumalik at sabihin,

"Okay, you can come in now."

"Okay, maaari kang pumasok ngayon."

That's incredible.

Iyan ay hindi kapani-paniwala.

Yeah.

I think if that were me on the boat and he said, I just jumped onto a shark.

Oo.

Sa tingin ko kung ako iyon sa bangka at sabi niya, tumalon lang ako sa isang pating.

I'd be like,

"No, I'm going to stay on the boat."

Gusto kong sabihin,

"Hindi, mananatili ako sa bangka."

"I'm good for today.

Yeah, I'm good for today."

"I'm good for today.

Oo, I'm good for today."

That'd look great on the CV though, wouldn't it?

Iyan ay mukhang mahusay sa CV bagaman, hindi ba?

It's like, what do you do for a job?

Ito ay tulad ng, ano ang iyong ginagawa para sa isang trabaho?

Well, I'm an underwater shark wrestler.

Well, isa akong underwater shark wrestler.

You know, that's what I do.

Alam mo, iyon ang ginagawa ko.

Yeah.

Oo.

So, breathing underwater would be a great skill because when you go

Kaya, ang paghinga sa ilalim ng tubig ay isang mahusay na kasanayan dahil kapag pumunta ka

underwater with scuba gear, my initial reaction to it was surprise because

sa ilalim ng tubig na may scuba gear, ang aking unang reaksyon dito ay nagulat dahil

of the noise and all the bubbles.

sa ingay at lahat ng mga bula.

I feel like if you haven't done any scuba diving, you think that scuba

Pakiramdam ko kung hindi ka pa nakagawa ng anumang scuba diving, iniisip mo na ang scuba

diving will be a very serene, peaceful experience, but then it's like...

diving ay magiging isang napakatahimik, mapayapang karanasan, ngunit pagkatapos ay parang...

Darth Vader all the way.

Darth Vader sa lahat ng paraan.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, actually being able to just breathe without that gear would be amazing.

Oo.

Oo. Kaya, ang aktwal na makahinga nang wala ang kagamitang iyon ay magiging kamangha-manghang.

I think.

Sa tingin ko.

Yeah.

And you'd be able to do some incredible adventures.

Oo.

At makakagawa ka ng ilang hindi kapani-paniwalang pakikipagsapalaran.

Yes.

Oo.

I was going to ask you, Anna, do you have a superpower?

Tatanungin sana kita, Anna, mayroon ka bang superpower?

Apart from being an ama-...

Bukod sa pagiging ama-...

I'm a mum.

ako ay isang ina.

I think anyway.

Sa tingin ko naman.

Anyone who is able to keep children alive, that's the

Kahit sinong kayang buhayin ang mga bata, yun

superpower and function as well.

din ang superpower at function.

If I were to have a superpower, then I think I would love to know, I'm kind of

Kung magkakaroon ako ng isang superpower, sa palagay ko ay gusto kong malaman, medyo

torn between having an insight into the future, so I could make good decisions,

nagugulo ako sa pagitan ng pagkakaroon ng pananaw sa hinaharap, upang makagawa ako ng magagandang desisyon,

or being able to know what people think.

o malaman kung ano ang iniisip ng mga tao.

Oh.

That, I think that would be a really...

Oh.

Iyon, I think that would be a really...

That's dangerous!

That's dangerous!

You know, just being able to see a little bubble above people's heads to read their

Alam mo, ang makakita lang ng isang maliit na bula sa itaas ng ulo ng mga tao para basahin ang kanilang

thoughts, because I think being able to read people is a really good skill.

mga iniisip, dahil sa tingin ko ang kakayahang magbasa ng mga tao ay talagang mahusay na kasanayan.

I think I'm quite good at reading a social situation and reading a room

Sa tingin ko ako ay medyo mahusay sa pagbabasa ng isang panlipunang sitwasyon at pagbabasa ng isang silid

and quite empathetic and understanding; my partner doesn't have the same

at medyo may empatiya at pang-unawa; ang aking partner ay walang parehong

level of awareness as I do, and we notice it when we go out and I'm like,

antas ng kamalayan tulad ng mayroon ako, at napapansin namin ito kapag lumalabas kami at ako ay parang,

"Do you realise you said that?

"Napagtanto mo ba na sinabi mo iyon?

And you could see that this person was uncomfortable when you said that?

At makikita mo na ang taong ito ay hindi komportable kapag sinabi mo iyon. ?

You didn't pick that up."

Hindi mo kinuha yan."

So, I think being able to actually see what people are thinking and understand,

Kaya, sa palagay ko, ang aktwal na makita kung ano ang iniisip at nauunawaan ng mga tao,

it would just take away so many doubts and, you know, sometimes we feel

maaalis lang nito ang napakaraming pagdududa at, alam mo, kung minsan ay nakakaramdam tayo ng

inhibited because we think the other person is thinking a certain thing.

inhibited dahil iniisip natin na ang ibang tao ay nag-iisip ng isang bagay.

It's not always the case.

Hindi naman palaging ganito.

So, just knowing the truth always would be quite...

Kaya, ang pag-alam lamang sa katotohanan ay palaging magiging medyo...

That's a really good one.

Iyan ay isang talagang mahusay.

Refreshing, I think refreshing.

Nakakapanibago, sa tingin ko nakakapanibago.

Yeah, that's a really good one.

Oo, iyon ay isang talagang mahusay.

Have you seen the film, is it What Women Want?

Napanood mo na ba ang pelikula, is it What Women Want?

with Mel Gibson?

kay Mel Gibson?

And he has sort of this power where he can hear this.

At mayroon siyang ganitong kapangyarihan kung saan maririnig niya ito.

Yeah, and it changes things for him, doesn't it?

Oo, at nagbabago ito para sa kanya, hindi ba?

It really does, it really does.

Talagang ginagawa, talagang ginagawa.

So yeah, very interesting superpower.

Kaya oo, napaka-kagiliw-giliw na superpower.

So, one superpower to consider might be the ability to make small talk.

Kaya, ang isang superpower na dapat isaalang-alang ay ang kakayahang gumawa ng maliit na usapan.

Yeah.

Oo.

Like, so, I think small talk is a surprisingly powerful skill to have.

Tulad ng, kaya, sa tingin ko ang maliit na pag-uusap ay isang nakakagulat na makapangyarihang kasanayan na mayroon.

Yeah, it is.

Oo, ito ay.

And it's interesting because not many people are very good at small talk.

At nakakatuwa dahil hindi masyadong magaling sa small talk.

It doesn't come naturally to many people.

Hindi ito natural sa maraming tao.

Yeah.

But luckily it can be learned.

Oo.

Ngunit sa kabutihang-palad maaari itong matutunan.

So, small talk is actually a pretty big deal and that's what we're

Kaya, ang maliit na usapan ay talagang isang malaking bagay at iyon ang

going to talk about today — how to make small talk in the right way.

pag-uusapan natin ngayon — kung paano gumawa ng maliit na usapan sa tamang paraan.

So, small talk is like the unsung hero of our daily interactions, isn't it?

Kaya, ang maliit na usapan ay parang unsung hero ng ating pang-araw-araw na pakikisalamuha, di ba?

Yeah, but what is exactly small talk?

Oo, ngunit ano ang eksaktong maliit na usapan?

How could we define that?

Paano natin matukoy iyon?

That's a good question, and I'm glad you asked.

Magandang tanong iyon, at natutuwa akong nagtanong ka.

Imagine you're in a lift with somebody perhaps it's taking a really long

Isipin na ikaw ay nasa isang elevator kasama ang isang tao marahil ito ay talagang tumatagal

time, and you barely know them, but you manage to strike up a conversation.

, at halos hindi mo sila kilala, ngunit nagawa mong simulan ang isang pag-uusap.

You're maybe talking about the weather, or you're talking about

Maaaring pinag-uusapan mo ang tungkol sa lagay ng panahon, o pinag-uusapan mo

the latest episode of The Crown, or something that you're watching on TV.

ang pinakabagong episode ng The Crown, o isang bagay na pinapanood mo sa TV.

Well, that's small talk at its finest.

Well, maliit na usapan iyon sa pinakamagaling.

It might seem trivial.

Maaaring mukhang walang kuwenta.

It might seem like nothing, but it actually plays a really vital role in

Maaaring mukhang wala ito, ngunit talagang gumaganap ito ng napakahalagang papel sa

building connections with other people.

pagbuo ng mga koneksyon sa ibang tao.

I like to imagine it as a bridge that helps us to cross over

Gusto kong isipin ito bilang isang tulay na tumutulong sa atin na tumawid

from being complete strangers to becoming friends or colleagues.

mula sa pagiging ganap na estranghero tungo sa pagiging kaibigan o kasamahan.

Now it's closely related to first impressions and we know that

Ngayon ay malapit na itong nauugnay sa mga unang impression at alam namin na

first impressions really count.

talagang mahalaga ang mga unang impression.

You actually have quite a nice saying I heard on one of your podcasts,

Mayroon ka talagang magandang kasabihan na narinig ko sa isa sa iyong mga podcast,

Rob, about first impressions.

Rob, tungkol sa mga unang impression.

Yes, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression, and

Oo, hindi ka makakakuha ng pangalawang pagkakataon na gumawa ng unang impression, at

it's completely true, I think.

ito ay ganap na totoo, sa palagay ko.

Yeah, so, you only get that one chance, that first impression is lasting, so,

Yeah, so, you only get that one chance, that first impression is lasting, so,

you have to get it right the first time.

you have to get it right the first time.

So, what you say to break the ice really matters.

Kaya, kung ano ang sasabihin mo upang masira ang yelo ay talagang mahalaga.

Small talk lays the groundwork, so to speak.

Ang maliit na usapan ay naglalatag ng saligan, wika nga.

It's how we signal to other people that we're friendly and approachable or not.

Ito ay kung paano namin senyales sa ibang tao na kami ay palakaibigan at madaling lapitan o hindi.

So, we really let people know who we are or at least we give an

Kaya, talagang ipinapaalam natin sa mga tao kung sino tayo o hindi bababa sa nagbibigay tayo ng

impression of who we are with those first few words and interactions.

impresyon kung sino tayo sa mga unang salita at pakikipag-ugnayan.

So, Rob, when would small talk be useful?

Kaya, Rob, kailan magiging kapaki-pakinabang ang maliit na usapan?

This is a great question.

Ito ay isang mahusay na tanong.

I think, it's one that goes around a lot, especially in sort of learners of English.

Sa palagay ko, ito ay isa na napupunta sa paligid, lalo na sa uri ng mga nag-aaral ng Ingles.

And I would say, you know, point blank, this is a spectrum of situations all

At sasabihin ko, alam mo, point blank, ito ay isang spectrum ng mga sitwasyon

the way from coffee shop on one side all the way down to being in the boardroom

mula sa coffee shop sa isang tabi hanggang sa pagiging nasa boardroom

or interview or like you said, you know just waiting for an elevator or a lift.

o interview o tulad ng sinabi mo, alam mong naghihintay lang ng elevator o isang elevator.

So, we can use small talk in professional situations then.

Kaya, maaari tayong gumamit ng maliit na usapan sa mga propesyonal na sitwasyon noon.

Yeah, absolutely.

Oo, talagang.

And if you don't use small talk in a professional situation, especially

At kung hindi ka gumagamit ng maliit na usapan sa isang propesyonal na sitwasyon, lalo na

when dealing with countries or cultures that have it in their language, for

kapag nakikitungo sa mga bansa o kultura na mayroon nito sa kanilang wika, halimbawa

example, the UK, or the other sort of English-speaking nations, if you

, UK, o iba pang uri ng mga bansang nagsasalita ng Ingles, kung

just launch straight into business, so to speak, things really feel sort

diretso ka lang sa negosyo, kumbaga, ang mga bagay-bagay ay talagang parang

of uncomfortable, disjointed or a lot of pressure to respond and get down

hindi komportable, di-pagkakasundo o maraming pressure na tumugon at pumunta

to business straight away, which, you know, doesn't quite feel right.

kaagad sa negosyo, na, alam mo, parang hindi tama.

I think for us Brits, at least.

Sa tingin ko para sa amin Brits, hindi bababa sa.

What about yourself?

Paano ang iyong sarili?

As Brits, we're very much indirect, aren't we?

Bilang Brits, tayo ay napaka-indirect, hindi ba?

We nothing, anything direct is considered a little rude or too abrupt.

Kami ay wala, anumang direktang ay itinuturing na isang maliit na bastos o masyadong biglaan.

And so everything has to be done in a soft and gentle way.

At kaya ang lahat ay kailangang gawin sa malambot at banayad na paraan.

I think we're deemed as a nation of being like head down, very

I think we're deemed as a nation of being like head down, very

cold, don't give eye contact, but actually we all need a cuddle.

cold, don't give eye contact, but actually we all need a cuddle.

We all need a hug.

Kailangan nating lahat ng yakap.

That's it.

Ayan yun.

Before we have any kind of interaction.

Bago tayo magkaroon ng anumang uri ng pakikipag-ugnayan.

We need to know we're safe.

Kailangan nating malaman na ligtas tayo.

We need to know it's a relaxed environment.

Kailangan nating malaman na ito ay isang nakakarelaks na kapaligiran.

And so, that small talk, even in a professional environment, even if

At kaya, ang maliit na pag-uusap na iyon, kahit na sa isang propesyonal na kapaligiran, kahit na

it's something that's going to be, you know, a tough negotiation and

ito ay isang bagay na magiging, alam mo, isang matigas na negosasyon at

you walk into the boardroom knowing that you're probably going to have

pumasok ka sa boardroom na alam na malamang na magkakaroon ka ng

disagreements with the people that you're about to negotiate with.

mga hindi pagkakasundo sa mga tao na iyong. malapit nang makipag-ayos sa.

There's still that element of

There's still that element of

"Hi, good morning.

"Hi, good morning.

How was your journey in today?

How was your journey in today?

Yeah.

The trains are a nightmare, aren't they?"

Oo. Ang mga tren ay isang bangungot, hindi ba?"

You know, that kind of chit-chat back and forth saying,

Alam mo, ang ganoong klase ng chit-chat na paulit-ulit na nagsasabing,

"We're both human.

"Pareho tayong tao.

You're safe in this environment.

Ligtas ka sa kapaligirang ito.

We can at least be civil with one another."

Maaari tayong maging sibil sa isa't isa."

Yeah, no, absolutely agreed.

Oo, hindi, lubos na sumang-ayon.

Yeah, it's about this sort of relationship building, this sort of pressing the

Oo, ito ay tungkol sa ganitong uri ng pagbuo ng relasyon, ito uri ng pagpindot sa

flesh, as they say, shaking hands and developing that relationship, especially

laman, tulad ng sinasabi nila, pakikipagkamay at pagbuo ng relasyon, lalo na.

if you're looking for new business, new opportunities, interviews, things like

kung naghahanap ka ng bagong negosyo, mga bagong pagkakataon, mga panayam, mga bagay na tulad

that, you know, getting to know the other person before launching in, it is

niyan, alam mo, ang pagkilala sa ibang tao bago ilunsad, ito ay

something that I think Brits do very well.

isang bagay na sa tingin ko ay napakahusay ng mga Brits.

But it's always the culture that is used to small talk, when it doesn't

Pero lagi namang kultura ang nakasanayan sa maliit na usapan, kapag hindi

happen, it feels very uncomfortable.

nangyari, sobrang hindi komportable.

I was out in Eastern Europe, and doing some English work with some professionals

Nasa labas ako sa Silangang Europa, at gumagawa ng ilang gawaing Ingles kasama ang ilang mga propesyonal

and I've been on for hours, you know, how it is teaching and you're pretty

at ako ay nasa loob ng maraming oras, alam mo, kung paano ito nagtuturo at medyo

exhausted, you know, it's over, it's done.

pagod ka, alam mo, tapos na, tapos na.

You're sort of closing down the laptop and this woman walked up

Isinasara mo ang laptop at lumapit

to me at the end and she said,

sa akin ang babaeng ito sa dulo at sinabi niya,

"Rob, you look really tired."

"Rob, mukhang pagod ka na."

And I thought,

At naisip ko,

"Oh, well, yes, I guess I am exhausted."

"Aba, oo, sa palagay ko ay pagod na ako."

But it was very direct, you know, like you said earlier on, about the

Ngunit ito ay napakadirekta, alam mo, tulad ng sinabi mo kanina, tungkol sa mga

Brits needing something a little bit smoother, a little bit more gentle.

Brits na nangangailangan ng isang bagay na medyo makinis, medyo mas banayad.

And if it is too direct and it does feel slightly uncomfortable, but I guess this

At kung ito ay masyadong direkta at ito ay medyo hindi komportable, ngunit sa palagay ko ito

was an element of small talk, so to speak.

ay isang elemento ng maliit na usapan, wika nga.

I think, when dealing with people from different places, different cultures, I

I think, when dealing with people from different places, different cultures, I

do think that personally, we have to all just have a moment of thinking, we're all

do think that personally, we have to all just have a moment of thinking, we're all

different, so, don't take everything so personally, like you have to allow them a

different, so, don't take everything so personally, like you have. para bigyan sila ng

little bit of wiggle room to be different.

kaunting wiggle room na maging iba.

So, I think I've learned a lot about myself and others by being in

Kaya, sa palagay ko marami akong natutunan tungkol sa aking sarili at sa iba sa pamamagitan ng pagiging sa

this particular niche, working with people from different countries.

partikular na angkop na lugar, pakikipagtulungan sa mga tao mula sa iba't ibang bansa.

I used to take offence at things so quickly, depending on how I

I used to take offense at things so fast, depende kung paano ako

was approached or things that were said, you know, the unsolicited

nilapitan or mga sinasabi, you know, yung unsolicited

marriage proposals, things like that.

marriage proposals, mga ganyan.

Nice.

Ang ganda.

Cool.

Malamig.

I used to get really upset about it.

Naiinis talaga ako noon.

And irate about the things people would say and how they would say them and...

At nagagalit tungkol sa mga bagay na sasabihin ng mga tao at kung paano nila sasabihin ang mga ito at...

and now I realise, oh, actually we just come from different places; things are

at ngayon napagtanto ko, oh, sa totoo lang ay nanggaling lang kami sa iba't ibang lugar; iba ang

done differently and they maybe don't understand my culture so, we can be

ginagawa at baka hindi nila naiintindihan ang kultura ko kaya, we can be

open and talk about this and hopefully they'll understand and it'll be fine.

open and talk about this and sana maintindihan nila at maayos.

Yeah.

Oo.

So, I think everyone has to have that awareness.

Kaya, sa palagay ko lahat ay kailangang magkaroon ng kamalayan na iyon.

So, have you ever experienced a point where small talk wasn't

Kaya, naranasan mo na ba ang isang punto kung saan ang maliit na usapan ay hindi

done in the most optimal way?

ginawa sa pinakamainam na paraan?

A long time ago when I was kind of new to the YouTubing space I used to go to lots

Matagal na ang nakalipas noong medyo bago pa lang ako sa YouTube space, madalas akong pumunta sa maraming

of events at the YouTube headquarters, which is in King's Cross in London.

mga kaganapan sa punong-tanggapan ng YouTube, na nasa King's Cross sa London.

And I met up with a friend before one of these events, having coffee

At nakilala ko ang isang kaibigan bago ang isa sa mga kaganapang ito, nagkakape

in a coffee shop and they had a couple of other friends joining

sa isang coffee shop at mayroon silang ilang iba pang mga kaibigan na sumama

them, people I didn't know.

sa kanila, mga taong hindi ko kilala.

And at one point I'm kind of sat left alone with one of these

At sa isang punto, medyo nakaupo ako na naiwan mag-isa kasama ang isa sa mga

friends of my friend, and we hadn't spoken before that point.

kaibigan ng aking kaibigan, at hindi pa kami nag-uusap bago ang puntong iyon.

And, he turns to me and he says,

At, lumingon siya sa akin at sinabi niyang,

"Oh, so, Anna, is it?"

"Oh, so, Anna, 'di ba?"

I said,

"Yeah, yeah, Anna."

He said,

Sabi ko, "Oo, oo, Anna."

Sinabi niya,

"What are you doing in London then?"

"Ano ang ginagawa mo sa London kung gayon?"

And I said,

At sinabi ko,

"Oh, I'm going to an event at the YouTube headquarters.

"Oh, pupunta ako sa isang kaganapan sa punong-tanggapan ng YouTube.

It's not far from here.

Hindi ito kalayuan dito.

I'll be heading off in about 20 minutes."

Aalis na ako sa loob ng 20 minuto."

And his reaction was,

At ang kanyang reaksyon ay,

"Oh no, you've got to spend the day with a bunch of YouTubers, that sucks, poor you."

"Naku, kailangan mong gumugol ng araw kasama ang isang grupo ng mga YouTuber, na nakakainis, kawawa ka."

And I was obviously a bit shocked because he had gone straight into sharing his

At halatang medyo nabigla ako dahil dumiretso siya sa pagbabahagi ng kanyang

personal negative opinion of YouTubers without ascertaining or working out

personal na negatibong opinyon sa mga YouTuber nang hindi tinitiyak o inaalam

who I was or whether I was a YouTuber or not, he just assumed I wasn't.

kung sino ako o kung YouTuber ako o hindi, ipinagpalagay niya na hindi ako.

Okay.

And so rather than putting him straight instantly I was a bit taken aback

Sige.

At kaya imbes na ituwid siya agad ay medyo nabigla ako

by it and I was instantly offended.

dito at agad akong nasaktan.

So, I just let him dig the hole the little deeper and I said,

Kaya, hinayaan ko na lang siyang humukay ng mas malalim at sinabi ko,

"Oh, you don't like YouTubers then."

"Naku, hindi mo gusto ang mga YouTuber noon."

And he carried on, no, he didn't catch on at all.

At nagpatuloy siya, hindi, hindi niya naabutan.

"No, no, I don't like YouTubers.

"No, no, I don't like YouTubers.

They're all so annoying.

Nakakainis silang lahat.

They're all so full of themselves."

Lahat sila punong-puno ng sarili nila."

And just keeps digging and digging and digging.

At patuloy lang sa paghuhukay at paghuhukay at paghuhukay.

And then eventually I said,

At sa huli ay sinabi ko,

"Well, you don't like me then.

"Well, hindi mo ako gusto noon.

I'm a YouTuber."

Isa akong YouTuber."

And then he was obviously very apologetic and a bit taken aback by

At pagkatapos ay halatang labis siyang humihingi ng tawad at medyo nagulat sa

his own, faux pas, should we say.

kanyang sarili, faux pas, dapat ba nating sabihin.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oo.

Oo.

Giving him enough rope to hang himself with, this sort of thing.

Ang pagbibigay sa kanya ng sapat na lubid upang ibitin ang sarili, ang ganitong bagay.

It was a little mean, you know, the mistake that he made was to launch

It was a little mean, you know, the mistake that he made was to launch

into sharing his negative opinions of a whole group of people without

into sharing his negative opinions of a whole group of people without

knowing who he was talking to first.

knowing who his talking to first.

And I've done this myself.

At ako mismo ang gumawa nito.

I've very quickly shared my opinions without knowing who I am talking to.

Mabilis kong naibahagi ang aking mga opinyon nang hindi alam kung sino ang aking kausap.

Yeah, absolutely.

Oo, talagang.

And in doing so, offended people because they hold a very different opinion to me.

At sa paggawa nito, nasaktan ang mga tao dahil ibang-iba ang opinyon nila sa akin.

And so I think it's always like one of the rules for small talk should be to

At kaya sa tingin ko ito ay palaging tulad ng isa sa mga patakaran para sa maliit na usapan ay dapat na

keep those negative opinions to yourself.

panatilihin ang mga negatibong opinyon sa iyong sarili.

Like you said about the balancing of, being understanding of everybody's

Tulad ng sinabi mo tungkol sa pagbabalanse ng, ang pag-unawa sa

culture, you know, especially when you're playing at the international

kultura ng lahat, alam mo, lalo na kapag naglalaro ka sa internasyonal

level, which is normally why people speak English is that they're in that

na antas, na karaniwang dahilan kung bakit nagsasalita ng Ingles ang mga tao dahil sila ay nasa

international arena, is really hedging your conversation in a way that is, you

internasyonal na arena na iyon, ay talagang humahadlang sa iyong pag-uusap sa paraang,

know, palatable that is acceptable for everybody instead of really sticking

alam mo, masarap na katanggap-tanggap para sa lahat sa halip na talagang idikit

your flag in the ground over to one side.

ang iyong bandila sa lupa sa isang tabi.

And as you said about the faux pas, I mean, the two mega poor choices to make

At gaya ng sinabi mo tungkol sa faux pas, ang ibig kong sabihin, ang dalawang mega poor choices na gagawin

when making small talk, I would say would be, politics or/and religion.

kapag gumagawa ng small talk, masasabi kong, pulitika o/at relihiyon.

Yeah.

Oo.

What do you think?

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Ano sa tingin mo?

Oo, tama ka.

If somebody makes a really bold statement in the first few lines of meeting me about

Kung ang isang tao ay gumawa ng isang talagang matapang na pahayag sa unang ilang mga linya ng pakikipagkita sa akin tungkol sa

their political beliefs or, you know, making a judgement from a political point

kanilang mga paniniwala sa pulitika o, alam mo, paggawa ng isang paghatol mula sa isang pampulitikang punto

of view, then what happens is if it's at odds with what I believe, I instantly

ng view, kung gayon ang mangyayari ay kung ito ay salungat sa kung ano ang aking pinaniniwalaan, ako ay agad na

make a judgement, you know, we all do, even if we try not to be judgemental.

gumawa isang paghuhusga, alam mo, ginagawa nating lahat, kahit na subukan nating huwag maging judgemental.

I instantly make a judgement about what that person must be like, what their

Agad akong gumawa ng paghuhusga tungkol sa kung ano dapat ang taong iyon, kung ano ang kanilang

general beliefs are and everything that's related to that and that might

pangkalahatang mga paniniwala at lahat ng bagay na may kaugnayan doon at maaaring

make me decide instantly, I'm not going to be friends or I can't be close

makapagpasya ako kaagad, hindi ako magiging kaibigan o hindi ako maaaring maging malapit

to, I don't align with this person and so, it can sour the relationship

, don't align with this person and so, it can soir the relationship

before it's even had a chance to blossom, before we even had a chance to

before it's even had a chance to blossom, before we had a chance to

explore, you know, whether there's any other things that we have in common.

explore, you know, whether there's any other things that we have in common.

So, politics also can lead to, like an argument, a negative interaction.

Kaya, ang pulitika ay maaari ring humantong sa, tulad ng isang argumento, isang negatibong pakikipag-ugnayan.

I'm very much an avoider of conflict.

Ako ay napaka-iwas sa salungatan.

I will just nod my head and go,

I will just nod my head and go,

"Hmm okay, lovely."

And walk away.

"Hmm okay, lovely."

At lumayo.

But I think I'm in the minority.

Ngunit sa tingin ko ako ay nasa minorya.

I think many people would happily say I don't agree or, you know,

Sa tingin ko maraming tao ang masayang magsasabing hindi ako sang-ayon o, alam mo,

stand up for what they believe and argue with that person.

manindigan para sa kanilang pinaniniwalaan at makipagtalo sa taong iyon.

So, it's better to just avoid talking about politics and the same with

Kaya, mas mabuting iwasan na lang ang pag-uusapan tungkol sa pulitika at ganoon din sa

religion because it often leads to...

relihiyon dahil madalas itong humahantong sa...

Religion is a very personal thing and people have very strong views,

Ang relihiyon ay isang napaka-personal na bagay at ang mga tao ay may napakalakas na pananaw,

beliefs about religion and it's just better to just leave it aside until

paniniwala tungkol sa relihiyon at mas mabuting iwanan na lamang ito hanggang sa

a point later in your relationship.

isang point mamaya sa relasyon niyo.

Yeah, definitely, a hundred percent agreed.

Oo, tiyak, isang daang porsyento ang sumang-ayon.

It's really worth taking on board that no matter how well you think you

Talagang sulit na tanggapin na kahit gaano mo

know this person or the individuals with which you're conversing, that

kakilala ang taong ito o ang mga indibidwal na kausap mo, na

you probably don't want to broach that subject unless you are...

malamang na ayaw mong pag-usapan ang paksang iyon maliban kung ikaw ay...

like you said, unless you know them really well or have a personal

tulad ng sinabi mo, maliban kung ikaw kilala mo talaga sila o magkaroon ng personal

relationship with this individual.

na relasyon sa indibidwal na ito.

I was training some non-native professionals working in London

Sinasanay ko ang ilang hindi katutubong mga propesyonal na nagtatrabaho sa London

about small talk and networking while they were working in the big city.

tungkol sa maliit na usapan at networking habang sila ay nagtatrabaho sa malaking lungsod.

And it was all about, you know, avoid this, don't say that,

At ito ay tungkol sa, alam mo, iwasan ito, huwag sabihin iyon,

try using this as an idea.

subukang gamitin ito bilang isang ideya.

And on the coffee break one of them came up to me and said,

At sa coffee break ay lumapit sa akin ang isa sa kanila at nagsabing,

"Great presentation so far, Rob.

"Mahusay na presentasyon sa ngayon, Rob.

Brilliant.

Napakatalino.

I'd love to know your ideas about Brexit."

Gusto kong malaman ang iyong mga ideya tungkol sa Brexit."

And I said,

At sinabi ko,

"You know, you've just heard me say, you know, this probably isn't a good

"Alam mo, narinig mo lang na sinabi ko, alam mo, malamang na hindi ito magandang

icebreaker or an opener, you know, consider using something else."

icebreaker o opener, alam mo, isaalang-alang ang paggamit ng iba."

It is a trained skill, like we've mentioned earlier about small talk

Ito ay isang sinanay na kasanayan, tulad ng nabanggit namin kanina tungkol sa maliit na usapan

being a trained or learned skill.

bilang isang sinanay o natutunang kasanayan.

Yeah.

I think when you do ask questions like,

Oo.

Sa palagay ko kapag nagtanong ka tulad ng,

"What do you think about Brexit then?"

"Ano ang tingin mo tungkol sa Brexit kung gayon?"

You're basically just laying down a landmine for the other person because if

Karaniwang naglalagay ka lang ng landmine para sa ibang tao dahil kung

I ask you that, and I don't know you at all, and you don't know me, and I ask,

tatanungin kita niyan, at hindi kita kilala, at hindi mo ako kilala, at itatanong ko,

"What are your thoughts on this?"

"Ano ang iyong iniisip tungkol dito? "

You then have to think,

Pagkatapos ay kailangan mong isipin,

"Well, what are your thoughts?"

"Well, ano ang iyong mga iniisip?"

Am I about to say something that's completely at odds with you?

May sasabihin ba ako na ganap na salungat sa iyo?

Are we about to have an argument?

Malapit na ba tayong mag-away?

Or are you going to dislike me if I say the wrong thing?

O aayawan mo ba ako kung mali ang sinabi ko?

So, it's just not a very kind thing to do.

Kaya, hindi ito isang napakagandang bagay na gawin.

I think, it's better to just leave those questions to one side.

Sa tingin ko, mas mabuting iwanan na lang sa isang tabi ang mga tanong na iyon.

And then the other thing, particularly in the UK is talking about money.

At pagkatapos ay ang iba pang bagay, lalo na sa UK ay pakikipag-usap tungkol sa pera.

Yeah, I agree.

I don't know if it's different in other countries, but asking someone

Oo i sumasang-ayon.

Hindi ko alam kung ito ay naiiba sa ibang mga bansa, ngunit ang pagtatanong sa isang tao

like how much they earn or how much their house costs or, you know, how

tulad ng kung magkano ang kanilang kinikita o kung magkano ang kanilang bahay o, alam mo, kung magkano

much anything costs, if it's something that was obviously a big purchase.

ang anumang halaga, kung ito ay isang bagay na halatang isang malaking pagbili.

I think it's just not the done thing in this country, is it?

Sa tingin ko, hindi lang ito ang nagawa sa bansang ito, hindi ba?

It makes people uncomfortable.

Ginagawa nitong hindi komportable ang mga tao.

That's right.

Tama iyan.

Real sticky situation and you get embroiled into disclosing some things that

Tunay na malagkit na sitwasyon at nasangkot ka sa pagsisiwalat ng ilang bagay na

are actually quite personal and if you give a third party something, they have

talagang medyo personal at kung bibigyan mo ang isang third party ng isang bagay, mayroon sila

that then and it's no longer personal and then where do you put those barriers in

noon at hindi na ito personal at pagkatapos ay saan mo ilalagay ang mga hadlang na iyon

place to, to safeguard against, you know, some other sensitive topics, for example.

, upang maprotektahan laban, alam mo, ilang iba pang sensitibong paksa, halimbawa.

So yeah, it's a really interesting one.

Kaya oo, ito ay isang talagang kawili-wili.

Which is why when you're in a job interview, and this, this question

Alin ang dahilan kung bakit kapag ikaw ay nasa isang pakikipanayam sa trabaho, at ito, ang tanong na ito ay

often does come up, doesn't it?

madalas na lumalabas, hindi ba?

What are your salary expectations for this role?

Ano ang iyong mga inaasahan sa suweldo para sa tungkuling ito?

It's an awful question.

Nakakatakot na tanong nito.

And you might have had it as well as a self-employed kind of entrepreneur

At maaaring nagkaroon ka nito pati na rin bilang isang self-employed na uri ng negosyante

when third parties approach you to come and do a collaboration or

kapag lumapit sa iyo ang mga third party para pumunta at gumawa ng collaboration o

a sponsorship, they'd say to you, we're interested in working with you.

isang sponsorship, sasabihin nila sa iyo, interesado kaming makipagtulungan sa iyo.

Oh, great, okay.

Oh, mahusay, okay.

Give me some details about the collaboration and I'll give you details.

Bigyan mo ako ng ilang detalye tungkol sa pakikipagtulungan at bibigyan kita ng mga detalye.

And then they'll say to you even though they approached you.

At saka sasabihin nila sayo kahit nilapitan ka nila.

Yeah.

"What are your expectations for a fee?

Oo.

"Ano ang iyong mga inaasahan para sa isang bayad?

Or "what would you expect as a fee for this?"

O "ano ang aasahan mo bilang bayad para dito?"

And you're like,

At ikaw ay tulad ng,

"Well what's your, what's your budget?"

"Well ano ang sa iyo, ano ang iyong badyet?"

I'm not gonna give you a figure because I might be lowballing myself.

Hindi kita bibigyan ng figure dahil baka be lowballing myself.

I might undercut my value if you are paying other people more money.

I might undercut my value if you are paying other people more money.

A hundred percent.

A hundred percent.

Yeah.

Oo.

Like you said, that you're a bit of a minefield.

Gaya ng sinabi mo, na medyo minahan ka.

You know, if you're talking about money, what do you say?

Alam mo, kung pera ang pinag-uusapan, ano sabi mo?

What can't you say?

Ano ang hindi mo masasabi?

Lowballing yourself, especially for the self employed, the entrepreneurs

Lowballing yourself, especially for the self employed, the entrepreneurs

out there as well, you know, money.

out there as well, you know, money.

So, definitely don't ask someone in a, like if you're in a

So, definitely don't ask someone in a, like if you're in a

networking event or a conference,

networking event o isang conference,

"Oh, that's a great job.

"Naku, magandang trabaho iyon.

You're doing a great job for a great company.

Gumagawa ka ng isang mahusay na trabaho para sa isang mahusay na kumpanya.

How much do you earn?"

Magkano ang kinikita mo?"

Like, that's a terrible question.

Parang, nakakatakot na tanong iyan.

Yeah, that's right.

Oo, tama.

Yeah.

Oo.

How much do you earn?

How much did you make last year?

Magkano ang kinikita mo?

Magkano ang kinikita mo noong nakaraang taon?

Yeah, it's pretty forward I would say.

Oo, ito ay medyo pasulong sasabihin ko.

And you know the other one that, you know, really sort of causes awkward silences

At alam mo ang isa na, alam mo, talagang uri ng mga sanhi ng mga awkward silence

and awkward moments could be humour.

at awkward moments ay maaaring maging katatawanan.

Just because something is funny in your culture, it may not translate

Dahil lang sa isang bagay na nakakatawa sa iyong kultura, maaaring hindi ito maisalin

that well, in a small talk situation.

nang maayos, sa isang maliit na usapan na sitwasyon.

Absolutely.

Talagang.

I remember I was doing some networking in Europe and, one of the guys that

Naaalala ko na ako ay gumagawa ng ilang networking sa Ang Europe at, isa sa mga lalaki na

we were training, immediately opened with this joke about ball bearings,

sinasanay namin, ay agad na nagbukas ng biro na ito tungkol sa ball bearings,

these little steel ball bearings and it was only about 30 seconds long, but

ang maliit na steel ball bearings at halos 30 segundo lang ang haba nito, ngunit

he could not get the punch line out.

hindi niya mailabas ang punch line.

He was crying with laughter and I had no idea it didn't translate at all.

Umiiyak siya sa kakatawa and I had no idea it didn't translate at all.

And he's reduced to tears trying to tell me this joke and

And he's reduced to tears trying to tell me this joke and

it was very awkward actually.

it was very awkward actually.

So...

So...

yeah, humour.

Oh my goodness.

yeah, humor.

Oh my goodness.

My goodness.

My goodness.

Do you have an experience of this?

I can't think of a specific occasion, but there have definitely been times

Do you have an karanasan nito?

Wala akong maisip na partikular na okasyon, ngunit tiyak na may mga pagkakataon

when people I don't know very well in a social setting have made a

na ang mga taong hindi ko masyadong kilala sa isang sosyal na setting ay gumawa ng isang

joke that's perhaps been a little bit edgy, a bit controversial.

biro na marahil ay medyo nerbiyoso, medyo kontrobersyal.

And in this country, we make fun of people and we make fun of ourselves and

At sa bansang ito, pinagtatawanan natin ang mga tao at pinagtatawanan natin ang sarili natin at

you know, a lot of the comedians that I do find funny, like Ricky Gervais.

alam mo, ang daming komedyante na nakakatuwa, tulad ni Ricky Gervais.

Ricky Gervais makes some appalling jokes.

Gumagawa si Ricky Gervais ng ilang nakakatakot na biro.

If you saw them written down, he makes jokes about things that just

Kung nakita mong nakasulat ang mga ito, ginagawa niyang biro ang mga bagay na makatarungan

shouldn't ever be joked about, but he does it in a way that's funny and you

hindi dapat binibiro, ngunit ginagawa niya ito sa paraang nakakatawa at

know what you're getting with him.

alam mo kung ano ang nakukuha mo sa kanya.

You turn up to one of his stand up gigs and you know that he's going

Lumapit ka sa isa sa kanyang mga stand up gig at alam mong magiging

to be edgy and he's going to say things that are offensive, but funny.

nerbiyoso siya at magsasabi siya ng mga bagay na nakakasakit, ngunit nakakatawa.

So, if you don't know someone and they repeat a joke like that, whether it's,

Kaya, kung hindi mo kilala ang isang tao at inuulit nila ang isang biro na tulad nito, kung ito ay,

you know, about animal cruelty or a specific group of people, then it's

alam mo, tungkol sa kalupitan sa hayop o isang partikular na grupo ng mga tao, kung gayon napakahirap

very hard to know from a stranger if they are just being funny or if they

malaman mula sa isang estranghero kung sila ay nakakatawa lamang o kung mayroon talaga silang

actually hold sexist or racist views based on the joke that they made.

sexist o racist na pananaw batay sa biro na kanilang ginawa.

So, it's a dangerous road to go down making jokes and often British

Kaya, ito ay isang mapanganib na daan upang pumunta sa paggawa ng mga biro at madalas na ang British

humour is very different, I think, to other cultures, you know, our dry

humor ay ibang-iba, sa palagay ko, sa ibang mga kultura, alam mo, ang aming tuyong

humour, our sarcasm, and so I think it wouldn't translate very well generally.

katatawanan, ang aming panunuya, at kaya sa palagay ko ay hindi ito maisasalin nang mahusay sa pangkalahatan.

So, it's best to just try not to be funny.

Kaya, pinakamahusay na subukang huwag maging nakakatawa.

Just be nice.

Magpakabait ka lang.

Yeah.

Oo.

Try not to be funny.

Subukang huwag maging nakakatawa.

Just nice.

Ang ganda lang.

Yeah.

That's great advice.

Oo.

Iyan ay mahusay na payo.

I think.

Sa tingin ko.

Yeah.

So, humour strike that one off the list as well.

Oo. Kaya, ang katatawanan ay tinatamaan din ang isa sa listahan.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oo.

Oo.

And I think the last one to mention about things to avoid is personal questions.

At sa tingin ko ang huling banggitin tungkol sa mga bagay na dapat iwasan ay mga personal na tanong.

Yeah.

Oo.

I often get the, "Are you married?"

Madalas kong makuha ang, "May asawa ka na ba?"

question.

tanong.

I don't know.

hindi ko alam.

Do you get this?

Naiintindihan mo ba ito?

Occasionally, yes.

Paminsan-minsan, oo.

It's like,

"Are you married?"

Parang,

"May asawa ka na ba?"

And you're thinking, well, not sure how this really feeds

At iniisip mo, well, hindi sigurado kung paano talaga ito napupunta

into the overall conversation.

sa pangkalahatang pag-uusap.

Yeah.

Oo.

Yeah.

Especially, so I mostly get it in the sphere that I work in as a teacher.

Oo.

Lalo na, kaya halos nakukuha ko ito sa sphere kung saan ako nagtatrabaho bilang isang guro.

And I'm taken aback by it.

At nabigla ako dito.

You know, people will approach me and happy to be open and talk to

Alam mo, ang mga tao ay lalapit sa akin at masaya na maging bukas at makipag-usap sa

them and offer them advice, even though it's come from nowhere.

kanila at magbigay ng payo sa kanila, kahit na ito ay nanggaling sa walang pinanggalingan.

"Hi, Anna.

"Hi, Anna.

Can I ask you a question?"

Can I ask you a question?"

"Yeah, of course."

And then we have a little back and forth and then they say,

"Oo siyempre."

At pagkatapos ay mayroon kaming isang maliit na pabalik-balik at pagkatapos ay sasabihin nila,

"Are you married?"

And you're like,

"May asawa ka na?"

At ikaw ay tulad ng,

"What has this got to do with anything, you know, that you need to know?"

"Ano ang kinalaman nito sa anumang bagay, alam mo, na kailangan mong malaman?"

So, I think asking personal questions or sometimes people

Kaya, sa palagay ko ay nagtatanong ako ng mga personal na katanungan o kung minsan ang mga tao ay

comment or ask me about my age.

nagkokomento o nagtatanong sa akin tungkol sa aking edad.

I get that often or my weight.

Nakukuha ko iyon madalas o ang aking timbang.

"How much do you weigh?"

"Gaano ka kabigat?"

I think things like that, you just don't know.

Sa tingin ko mga bagay na ganyan, hindi mo lang alam.

What a strange question!

Kakaibang tanong!

Yeah.

You don't know what people feel insecure about.

Oo.

Hindi mo alam kung ano ang nararamdaman ng mga tao na insecure.

And so I may have had an eating disorder.

Kaya siguro nagkaroon ako ng eating disorder.

I don't, I haven't, I've always had a very healthy, too healthy

Hindi ko, hindi ko pa, palagi akong nagkaroon ng napaka-malusog, masyadong malusog

a relationship with food.

na relasyon sa pagkain.

But I may have had an eating disorder in the past.

Pero baka may eating disorder ako dati.

Maybe I was anorexic at one point and I struggled to eat.

Marahil ay anorexic ako sa isang punto at nahirapan akong kumain.

I didn't like food.

Hindi ako nahilig sa pagkain.

And now I've managed to get to a healthy weight and beat my anorexia.

At ngayon ay nakuha ko na ang isang malusog na timbang at natalo ang aking anorexia.

And then if you mention anything about my weight or anything about the way my

At kung may babanggitin ka tungkol sa aking timbang o anumang bagay tungkol sa

body looks, you could trigger something really bad in me that makes me feel very

hitsura ng aking katawan, maaari kang mag-trigger ng isang bagay na talagang masama sa akin na nagpaparamdam sa akin ng labis na

self conscious and could set something off, but it certainly wouldn't set

pag-iisip sa sarili at maaaring mag-set up ng isang bagay, ngunit tiyak na hindi ito magtatakda ng

up our relationship in a good way.

aming relasyon sa isang magandang paraan.

There was a time when I was having, my hair prepared for a wig, for a show.

There was a time when I was having, my hair prepared for a wig, for a show.

Right.

And I had a different lady doing my hair this one day, so my normal kind

Tama.

At nagkaroon ako ng ibang babae na nag-aayos ng buhok ko noong isang araw, kaya ang aking normal na uri

of makeup artist was off, and this lady, they're called wiggies, people

ng makeup artist ay wala, at ang babaeng ito, sila ay tinatawag na wiggies, mga taong

who come in and prepare you for a wig.

pumapasok at naghahanda sa iyo para sa isang peluka.

Wiggies.

Wiggies.

Right.

So, this wiggie came in, and I'd never met her before, and

Wiggies. Wiggies.

Tama. Kaya, pumasok ang wiggie na ito, at hindi ko pa siya nakilala noon, at

she, had a speech impediment.

siya, ay may kapansanan sa pagsasalita.

She had a very strong lisp.

Napakalakas ng bibig niya.

Now I am an expert with voice, and I've fixed a lot of speech impediments in the

Ngayon ako ay isang dalubhasa sa boses, at naayos ko ang maraming mga hadlang sa pagsasalita sa

past with people from stutters and lisps.

nakaraan sa mga taong mula sa mga nauutal at lisps.

And as soon as I heard her, I was instantly interested because I was like,

And as soon as I heard her, I was instantly interested because I was like,

"Oh, I can help you."

"Oh, I can help you."

And I instantly assumed that she had a problem with her lisp

At agad kong inakala na may problema siya sa kanyang lisp

and she would want to fix it.

at nais niyang ayusin ito.

That was my assumption.

Yun ang assumption ko.

And so, rather than just keeping it to myself, one of the first

At kaya, sa halip na itago lang ito sa aking sarili, isa sa mga unang

things I said to her was,

bagay na sinabi ko sa kanya ay,

"Ah, that's interesting.

"Ah, kawili-wili iyon.

You have a lisp."

Mayroon kang lisp."

She was evidently very, very upset about the fact that I pointed it out.

Halatang nagalit siya sa katotohanang itinuro ko ito.

And I read the situation straight away and thought, oh,

At binasa ko kaagad ang sitwasyon at naisip ko, naku,

I shouldn't have said anything.

wala na sana akong sinabi.

And then there was just this really awkward, like 30 minutes of her doing

At pagkatapos ay mayroon lamang talagang awkward, tulad ng 30 minuto ng kanyang pag-aayos ng

my hair, pulling a little harder than usual, you know, while I try

aking buhok, paghila ng kaunti mas malakas kaysa sa karaniwan, alam mo, habang sinusubukan kong

to backpedal and save the situation.

i-backpedal at iligtas ang sitwasyon.

Brilliant.

Napakatalino.

Brilliant.

Napakatalino.

Awkward.

Awkward.

You didn't sit there in silence then?

Hindi ka natahimik noon?

No, I carried on trying to salvage the, you know, the burning building.

Hindi, ipinagpatuloy ko ang pagsisikap na iligtas ang, alam mo, ang nasusunog na gusali.

Right.

Tama.

Talking about things, complimenting her on everything.

Pinag-uusapan ang mga bagay-bagay, pinupuri siya sa lahat.

It was a very innocent question.

Napaka-inosente nitong tanong.

What I wanted to do was offer help, but I just assumed that she wanted it.

Ang gusto kong gawin ay mag-alok ng tulong, ngunit ipinapalagay ko na gusto niya ito.

And that was a bad assumption to make.

At iyon ay isang masamang pagpapalagay na ginawa.

So, I think the rule is don't mention, or ask personal questions

Kaya, sa tingin ko ang panuntunan ay huwag magbanggit, o magtanong ng mga personal na katanungan

and don't mention anything personal.

at huwag magbanggit ng anumang bagay na personal.

So, those are the things that we should avoid.

Kaya, iyon ang mga bagay na dapat nating iwasan.

So, just to recap those, we had politics, religion, we talked about money, about not

So, just to recap those, we had politics, religion, we talked about money, about not

trying to be funny because humour doesn't always translate, and being too personal.

trying to be funny because humor is not always translate, and being too personal.

So, those are the things that you should avoid.

Kaya, iyon ang mga bagay na dapat mong iwasan.

But what things could we talk about with a stranger when we're

Ngunit anong mga bagay ang maaari nating pag-usapan sa isang estranghero kapag

striking up a conversation?

nag-uusap tayo?

What's the safe zone?

Ano ang safe zone?

Well, that is a great question.

Well, iyan ay isang magandang tanong.

Because when you're in that situation, you need to talk about something and I

Dahil kapag nasa ganoong sitwasyon ka, may kailangan kang pag-usapan and I

would always recommend, and it's something that I do, I just use shared experience.

would always recommend, and it's something that I do, I just use shared experience.

Is there anything that is taking place right now that we're both sharing

Mayroon bang anumang bagay na nagaganap ngayon na pareho naming ibinabahagi

and both have an experience of?

at parehong may karanasan?

Temperature of the room, how hot the coffee is, what was the last

Temperatura ng kwarto, gaano kainit ang kape, ano ang huling

speaker like, what's the venue like?

speaker, ano ang venue?

You know, any of that, something that we both can have some sort of

Alam mo, alinman sa mga iyon, isang bagay na pareho naming maaaring magkaroon ng ilang uri ng

opinion about, and it's fairly neutral and sits sort of between us both.

opinyon tungkol sa, at ito ay medyo neutral at nakapatong sa pagitan naming dalawa.

Yeah.

What do you think about that?

Oo.

Ano sa tingin mo tungkol diyan?

Absolutely.

Talagang.

Do you remember what the first thing I said to you was?

Naaalala mo ba kung ano ang una kong sinabi sa iyo?

When I first reached out to you,

Noong una akong nakipag-ugnayan sa iyo,

Um.

Um.

It was a long time ago, now.

Matagal na ang nakalipas, ngayon.

Well, no, honestly.

Well, hindi, sa totoo lang.

So, I think with you, I really liked your camera work.

Kaya, sa tingin ko sa iyo, nagustuhan ko ang iyong gawa sa camera.

So, I've been watching you on Instagram for a while.

Kaya, kanina pa kita pinapanood sa Instagram.

Not like a stalker.

Hindi parang stalker.

Right.

Like a researcher.

Tama.

Parang researcher.

Researcher, yeah.

I'd been watching you and your filming style, your shorts, the style of your

Researcher, oo.

Pinagmamasdan kita at ang iyong istilo ng paggawa ng pelikula, ang iyong shorts, ang istilo ng iyong

shorts had changed and it looked like you'd upgraded your camera equipment.

shorts ay nagbago at mukhang na-upgrade mo ang iyong kagamitan sa camera.

And I just really liked it.

At nagustuhan ko lang talaga.

So, the first thing I said to you, even though I had no idea who you were or how

Kaya, ang unang bagay na sinabi ko sa iyo, kahit na wala akong ideya kung sino ka o kung paano

you would receive an unsolicited message, and the first thing I said to you was,

ka makakatanggap ng isang hindi hinihinging mensahe, at ang unang bagay na sinabi ko sa iyo ay,

"Hey, I love the new style of your shorts.

"Hoy, gusto ko ang bagong istilo ng iyong shorts.

Have you got a new camera?

May bago ka bang camera?

It looks great."

Mukhang maganda."

And that instantly sparked quite a warm interaction between us because I started

At iyon ay agad na nagdulot ng medyo mainit na pakikipag-ugnayan sa pagitan namin dahil nagsimula ako

with a compliment talking about something that we have a shared interest in,

sa isang papuri na pinag-uusapan ang isang bagay na pareho kaming interesado,

which is filming and creating content.

na ang paggawa ng pelikula at paglikha ng nilalaman.

Yeah, I mean that, I remember now, yes, that was it.

Oo, ang ibig kong sabihin, naalala ko ngayon, oo, iyon iyon.

The interaction where you pay somebody a compliment, I think really opens

Ang pakikipag-ugnayan kung saan binabayaran mo ang isang tao ng papuri, sa palagay ko ay talagang nagbubukas

many, many doors, having a warm response or at least a warm interaction

ng marami, maraming pinto, pagkakaroon ng mainit na tugon o kahit man lang mainit na pakikipag-ugnayan

really encourages the other party to step forward and open up as well.

ay talagang naghihikayat sa kabilang partido na sumulong at magbukas din.

Yeah.

So, starting with a compliment, but is there any like limit to that, is

Oo.

Kaya, simula sa isang papuri, ngunit mayroon bang katulad na limitasyon doon, mayroon bang

there a point where paying someone a compliment can be taken in the

punto kung saan ang pagbabayad sa isang tao ng isang papuri ay maaaring kunin sa

wrong way as an opening interaction.

maling paraan bilang isang pambungad na pakikipag-ugnayan.

Yeah, I think as we've been discussing already, referring back to the current

Oo, sa palagay ko habang tinatalakay na natin, binabalik ang kasalukuyan

or the previous list of things like being too personal, like, you know,

o ang nakaraang listahan ng mga bagay tulad ng pagiging masyadong personal, tulad ng, alam mo,

what somebody really looks like or their weight, their age, you know, how tired

kung ano talaga ang hitsura ng isang tao o ang kanilang timbang, ang kanilang edad, alam mo, kung gaano kapagod

they are, perhaps, you know, being too personal, obviously that I wouldn't

sila ay, marahil, alam mo, sa pagiging masyadong personal, malinaw naman na hindi ko

push beyond that, but something that's fairly superficial on the surface,

itulak na higit pa iyon, ngunit isang bagay na medyo mababaw sa ibabaw,

about camera work, as you said.

tungkol sa camera work, gaya ng sinabi mo.

Well, like if someone likes your briefcase or your bag,

Well, tulad ng kung may gusto sa iyong briefcase o bag mo,

"I love, I love that bag where did you get that from?

"I love, I love that bag saan mo nakuha yan?

Do you find that works well for you?

Do you find that works well for you?

Can you get your laptop in there?"

Can you get your laptop in there?"

Something that's a little bit more external.

Isang bagay na medyo panlabas.

So, I've had it where people have come to me and I think maybe as a woman, I feel

So, I've had it where people have come to me and I think siguro bilang babae, nararamdaman ko

a bit more sensitive to these things, but, if a guy that I don't know, maybe

medyo mas sensitibo sa mga bagay na ito, ngunit, kung ang isang lalaki na hindi ko kilala, marahil

at a conference comes up to me and says,

sa isang kumperensya ay lumapit sa akin at nagsabing,

"That colour really suits you, you look really cute."

"Talagang bagay sa iyo ang kulay na iyon, ang cute mo talagang tingnan."

Or sometimes people use the word 'sexy' or something like that.

O minsan ang mga tao ay gumagamit ng salitang 'sexy' o isang bagay na katulad nito.

Yeah.

And as soon as I hear the word cute or sexy, I switch off and say,

Oo.

At sa sandaling marinig ko ang salitang cute o sexy, pinatay ko at sasabihing,

"This is a predator.

"Ito ay isang mandaragit.

Don't talk to that person."

Huwag makipag-usap sa taong iyon."

Yeah.

Red flag.

Oo.

Pulang watawat.

What they might be doing is just trying to pay me a compliment of trying to

Ang maaaring ginagawa nila ay sinusubukan lang akong bigyan ng papuri sa pagsisikap na

find a way to strike up a conversation.

makahanap ng isang paraan upang simulan ang isang pag-uusap.

And that's the only thing they can think of to say is that

At iyon lang ang naiisip nilang sabihin na

"You look great.

"You look great.

That looks great on you."

But they've used the wrong words like 'sexy' or 'cute' or 'gorgeous',

That looks great on you."

Ngunit ginamit nila ang mga maling salita tulad ng 'sexy' o 'cute' o 'gorgeous',

anything like that about me.

kahit ano pa man tungkol sa akin.

Don't use it because I think you're being predatory.

Huwag gamitin ito dahil sa tingin ko ay nagiging mandaragit ka.

So, it's better to compliment, if you're going to open that way, compliment

Kaya, mas mabuting mag-compliment, kung magbubukas ka sa ganoong paraan, purihin

something that's outside of that person.

ang isang bagay na nasa labas ng taong iyon.

So, compliment their shoes or, you know, like I said, their bag or

Kaya, purihin ang kanilang mga sapatos o, alam mo, tulad ng sinabi ko, ang kanilang bag o

the work that you've just seen them do, the talk that they just gave.

ang trabaho na nakita mo lamang na ginawa nila, ang usapan na kakabigay lang nila.

"Oh, that was a really great talk.

"Oh, that was a really great talk.

You seem like you've done this quite a few times before.

Mukhang ilang beses mo na itong ginawa.

Have you?"

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ikaw ba?" Oo.

Oo.

Anything like that can get a conversation going without offending the person

Ang anumang bagay na tulad nito ay maaaring makapagpatuloy ng isang pag-uusap nang hindi nakakasakit sa tao

or being too, you know, creepy.

o masyadong, alam mo, nakakatakot.

Yeah, yeah.

Oo, oo.

And once that ball is rolling with that external conversation, you know, about

At kapag ang bolang iyon ay gumulong sa panlabas na pag-uusap, alam mo, tungkol sa

your bag and things, you could then use the information that is then volunteered

iyong bag at mga bagay, maaari mong gamitin ang impormasyon na pagkatapos ay nagboluntaryo

to you to keep that conversation going, keep that conversation flowing.

sa iyo upang mapanatili ang pag-uusap na iyon, panatilihin ang pag-uusap na iyon.

Yeah, it's like being a detective, isn't it?

Oo, para kang detective, di ba?

You're then listening for clues of things that you can latch onto.

Pagkatapos ay nakikinig ka para sa mga pahiwatig ng mga bagay na maaari mong hawakan.

Like if someone says,

Tulad ng kung may magsasabing,

"Oh yeah.

"Oh yeah.

Oh thanks.

Yeah, I love this pen too.

Oh thanks.

Yeah, I love this pen too.

I got it from an event at Apple."

Nakuha ko ito sa isang event sa Apple."

"Oh, you went to the Apple event?"

"Oh, nagpunta ka sa Apple event?"

"I think, I was invited to that but I couldn't make it."

"I think, I was invited to that but I couldn't make it."

Little things like that you can grab and see if you can find something

Ang mga maliliit na bagay na tulad niyan ay maaari mong kunin at tingnan kung makakahanap ka ng isang bagay

that you have in common that you can then comment on as well.

na pareho kayo na maaari mo ring ikomento.

So, what other topics would be a safe thing to talk about?

Kaya, ano pang mga paksa ang magiging ligtas na pag-uusapan?

Particularly being British, there's one thing that always springs to mind.

Lalo na sa pagiging British, may isang bagay na laging naiisip.

I've really tried to sit on this the entire podcast episode today.

Talagang sinubukan kong umupo dito sa buong podcast episode ngayon.

I haven't asked you about the weather and I'm sort of questioning

Hindi pa kita natanong tungkol sa lagay ng panahon at medyo kinukuwestiyon ko

my birthrights, right about now.

ang aking mga karapatan sa pagkapanganay, sa ngayon.

But, yes, I think one of the cliches that gets absolutely hammered is the weather.

Ngunit, oo, sa tingin ko ang isa sa mga cliches na ganap na martilyo ay ang panahon.

What are your thoughts on that?

Ano ang iyong mga iniisip tungkol diyan?

Well, you know, stereotypes are deemed to be bad because they tar an

Well, alam mo, ang mga stereotype ay itinuring na masama dahil ang mga ito ay nakakaakit sa isang

entire group of people, but actually stereotypes don't come from nowhere.

buong grupo ng mga tao, ngunit ang mga stereotype ay hindi nagmumula saanman.

Stereotypes always have a root in truth and it is true that the

Palaging may ugat ang mga stereotype sa katotohanan at totoo na ang

stereotypical British conversation about the weather, it's real.

stereotypical na pag-uusap ng British tungkol sa lagay ng panahon, ito ay totoo.

We do talk about the weather all the time, at least I do.

Nag-uusap kami tungkol sa panahon sa lahat ng oras, at least ako.

I don't know about you.

ewan ko sayo.

Yeah.

No, I'm guilty of that as well.

Oo. Hindi, kasalanan ko rin iyon.

Talking about the weather, Rob, it has been horrific.

Ang pakikipag-usap tungkol sa panahon, Rob, ito ay naging kakila-kilabot.

We actually had to postpone this recording because the weather

Kinailangan talaga naming ipagpaliban ang pag-record na ito dahil ang lagay ng panahon

this week has been horrendous.

ngayong linggo ay napakasama.

We had a little storm pass through and yesterday, I think it was

Nagkaroon kami ng konting storm pass at kahapon, I think it was

yesterday or the day before, we actually lost three fence panels.

yesterday or the day before, nawalan talaga kami ng tatlong fence panel.

Wow.

Wow.

Okay.

Chasing them down the street.

Sige. Hinahabol sila sa kalye.

Okay.

Well, no, they've just gone into the neighbour's garden.

Sige.

Well, hindi, pumunta lang sila sa garden ng kapitbahay.

Luckily the neighbour's not blown into ours.

Sa kabutihang-palad ang kapitbahay ay hindi sumabog sa amin.

The last time we had a big storm, which was around this time last year, we

Ang huling pagkakataon na nagkaroon kami ng malaking bagyo, na noong nakaraang taon,

actually lost a tree and two fence panels.

talagang nawalan kami ng isang puno at dalawang panel ng bakod.

So, at least the trees didn't fall down this time because

So, at least hindi nalaglag ang mga puno sa pagkakataong ito dahil

that causes a lot of damage.

nagdudulot iyon ng maraming pinsala.

Yeah, absolutely.

Oo, talagang.

Yeah.

I mean, the weather is always, and it's always a predictable answer, especially if

Oo.

Ibig kong sabihin, ang panahon ay palaging, at ito ay palaging isang predictable na sagot, lalo na kung

you're conversing with a Brit, you know,

nakikipag-usap ka sa isang Brit, alam mo,

"How's the weather?"

"Kamusta ang panahon?"

So, well, guess, you know, raining, windy, overcast, you know, something like this.

Kaya, aba, hulaan mo, umuulan, mahangin, makulimlim, alam mo, may ganito.

But it seems that we're always complaining about the weather in one form or another.

Ngunit tila palagi kaming nagrereklamo tungkol sa lagay ng panahon sa isang anyo o iba pa.

If it's beautiful weather, most of us are going,

Kung maganda ang panahon, karamihan sa atin ay pupunta,

"Oh gosh, it's so hot, isn't it?"

"Oh gosh, it's so hot, is it?"

"Oh, I can't get away from it.

"Naku, hindi ako makakawala.

It's just stifling."

Nakakasakal lang."

We complain if it's too hot and we also complain if it's too

Nagrereklamo kami kung sobrang init at nagrereklamo din kami kung masyadong

cold, wet and windy, which it is most of the time, to be honest.

malamig, basa at mahangin, na kadalasan, sa totoo lang.

And I think it's because in this country, although we don't have extreme

At sa palagay ko ito ay dahil sa bansang ito, bagaman wala tayong matinding

weather in the way that, you know, other places around the world experience

panahon sa paraang, alam mo, nararanasan ng ibang mga lugar sa buong mundo

like earthquakes and tornadoes.

tulad ng mga lindol at buhawi.

Though we did have a tornado, didn't we?

Kahit na nagkaroon tayo ng buhawi, hindi ba?

In the north of England, took off like hundreds of roofs

Sa hilaga ng England, nag-alis tulad ng daan-daang bubong

last week there was a tornado.

noong nakaraang linggo ay nagkaroon ng buhawi.

Really?

Yeah.

I saw, you know, on Facebook, you know, on Facebook, they have

Talaga?

Oo.

Nakita ko, alam mo, sa Facebook, alam mo, sa Facebook, mayroon silang

that 'mark yourself safe' thing.

'mark yourself safe' na bagay.

Right.

Tama.

So if there's a big, if there's a big emergency, then

Kaya kung may malaking, kung may malaking emergency,

you can mark yourself safe.

maaari mong markahan ang iyong sarili na ligtas.

So, people on Facebook know that you escaped.

Kaya, alam ng mga tao sa Facebook na nakatakas ka.

And I saw that one of my friends up in like Manchester had marked

At nakita ko na isa sa aking mga kaibigan sa tulad ng Manchester ay minarkahan

themselves safe from the, like, I can't remember where it was, but mark

ang kanilang sarili na ligtas mula sa, tulad ng, hindi ko matandaan kung saan ito ay, ngunit markahan

themselves safe from the tornado.

ang kanilang sarili na ligtas mula sa buhawi.

And I was like,

"This has got to be a joke.

At ako ay tulad ng,

"Ito ay dapat na isang biro.

This person's obviously been hacked.

Ang taong ito ay malinaw na na-hack.

We don't have tornadoes in this country."

Wala kaming mga buhawi sa bansang ito."

And then my mum said,

At pagkatapos ay sinabi ng aking ina,

"Oh, you know, David's..."

"Oh, alam mo, kay David..."

My brother who lives up in the north.

Ang aking kapatid na lalaki na nakatira sa hilaga.

"David's doing okay.

"David's doing okay.

He's still got his roof and he's okay.

He's still got his roof and he's okay.

He's safe from the tornado."

He's safe from the tornado."

And I was like,

"What?"

At parang,

"Ano?"

There was actually a tornado crazy.

Talagang nagkaroon ng buhawi na baliw.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

But yes, our weather here is, although not usually extreme, it is

Ngunit oo, ang aming panahon dito ay, bagaman hindi karaniwang matinding, ito ay

unpredictable, and so, it's something that we always like to talk about.

hindi mahuhulaan, at sa gayon, ito ay isang bagay na palagi naming gustong pag-usapan.

And actually it's a good conversation starter if you're at a venue in a

At sa totoo lang ito ay isang magandang simula ng pag-uusap kung ikaw ay nasa isang lugar sa isang

professional environment and the weather's been generally quite bad,

propesyonal na kapaligiran at ang lagay ng panahon sa pangkalahatan ay medyo masama,

but on this one occasion for this one day during an outdoor event, it's okay.

ngunit sa isang pagkakataon para sa isang araw na ito sa isang panlabas na kaganapan, ayos lang.

You could start with,

Maaari kang magsimula sa,

"We've been lucky with this weather today, haven't we?"

"Kami ay masuwerte sa ganitong panahon ngayon, hindi ba?"

It's a good line.

Ito ay isang magandang linya.

Or the organisers have been quite unlucky today, haven't they?

O sadyang malas ang mga organizers ngayon, di ba?

You know, so it's a really good way to kind of initiate the conversation in a

Alam mo, kaya ito ay isang talagang mahusay na paraan upang simulan ang pag-uusap sa isang

very safe way, talking about the weather.

napakaligtas na paraan, na pinag-uusapan ang lagay ng panahon.

But if you are at an event, then that could also create an

Ngunit kung ikaw ay nasa isang kaganapan, pagkatapos ay maaari ring lumikha ng isang

opportunity for small talk, can't it?

pagkakataon para sa maliit na pag-uusap, hindi ba?

You just talk about what's going on around you.

Magkwento ka lang tungkol sa mga nangyayari sa paligid mo.

Can you give us some examples?

Maaari mo ba kaming bigyan ng ilang halimbawa?

Yeah.

Oo.

I mean, so, you know, being at an event, I think the weather is

I mean, so, you know, being in an event, I think the weather is

just a really good starting point.

just a really good starting point.

But if you feel a little bit more adventurous, you could start to probe

Ngunit kung sa tingin mo ay medyo mas adventurous, maaari mong simulan upang suriin

about if it's their first time here or how long they've been a part of the company

kung ito ang kanilang unang pagkakataon dito o kung gaano katagal sila naging bahagi ng kumpanya kung saan

they work for; what they think of the coffee, you know, do they take sugar?

sila nagtatrabaho; kung ano ang iniisip nila sa kape, alam mo, kumukuha ba sila ng asukal?

Do they not?

Hindi ba sila?

So milk, almond milk, coconut milk, all the rest of it.

Kaya gatas, almond milk, gata ng niyog, lahat ng iba pa nito.

So, you know, think things like this.

Kaya, alam mo, isipin ang mga bagay na tulad nito.

I think another cliche whether at a business event or just, you know,

I think another cliche whether sa isang business event or just, you know,

down the coffee shop or waiting for a bus, is holidays, you know.

down the coffee shop or waiting for a bus, is holidays, you know.

Have you had much time off this year, et cetera?

Mayroon ka bang maraming oras sa taong ito, at iba pa?

What do you think about that one?

Ano ang tingin mo sa isang iyon?

Is this one of your go-to small talk lines?

Isa ba ito sa iyong mga linya ng maliit na usapan?

This is always what I associate with the hairdressers.

Ito ang palagi kong iniuugnay sa mga tagapag-ayos ng buhok.

So, with my sons, we play a lot of games.

Kaya, kasama ang aking mga anak na lalaki, naglalaro kami ng maraming laro.

I'm a very playful mum.

Ako ay isang napaka mapaglarong ina.

Especially when I want them to do things that they're not very good at doing.

Lalo na kapag gusto kong gawin nila ang mga bagay na hindi nila masyadong magaling gawin.

Like brushing their teeth every night.

Tulad ng pagsipilyo ng kanilang mga ngipin tuwing gabi.

When they brush their teeth my three year old would come to

Kapag nagsipilyo sila ng aking tatlong taong gulang ay lalapit sa

me with his toothbrush and say,

akin gamit ang kanyang sipilyo at sasabihing,

"I want to see the dentist."

"Gusto kong magpatingin sa dentista."

Because at one point they were getting too fast at brushing their

Dahil sa isang punto ay nagmamadali silang mag-toothbrush

teeth and they wouldn't really let me or my partner help them.

at hindi nila ako hinahayaan o ang aking partner na tulungan sila.

And so we introduced the dentist game and I'd be like,

At kaya ipinakilala namin ang laro ng dentista at sasabihin kong,

"Hello!

Who's coming to sit in the dentist chair?"

"Hello!

Sino ang uupo sa upuan ng dentista?"

And then they lie down on the floor.

At pagkatapos ay humiga sila sa sahig.

I'm sitting down with my legs crossed and they put their head in my lap and

Naka-cross legs ako nakaupo at nilagay nila ang ulo nila sa kandungan ko at

then I can brush their teeth really well.

tapos nakakapag toothbrush na talaga ako.

And as I'm doing it, I always say,

At habang ginagawa ko ito, lagi kong sinasabi,

"So, have you been on holiday this year?"

"So, nagbakasyon ka ba ngayong taon?"

So, that's the dentist.

So, yun ang dentista.

It's very convincing, very condensing.

Sobrang convincing, sobrang condensing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we do the hairdressers in when we're in the bath and I'm washing their hair and

Oo. Oo.

At ginagawa namin ang mga tagapag-ayos ng buhok kapag kami ay nasa paliguan at ako ay naghuhugas ng kanilang buhok at

that's always one that comes up as well.

iyon ay palaging isa na lumalabas din.

Like,

Tulad ng,

"Been anywhere nice this year?"

"Naging maganda ka ba ngayong taon?"

Fantastic.

Hindi kapani-paniwala.

I'm going on holiday next week.

Magbabakasyon ako sa susunod na linggo.

I'm going to the Bahamas.

Pupunta ako sa Bahamas.

Have you ever been?

Naranasan mo na bang?

And so, yeah, talking about travel is something that people

At kaya, oo, ang pakikipag-usap tungkol sa paglalakbay ay isang bagay na

generally enjoy discussing.

karaniwang tinatangkilik ng mga tao.

Travel isn't usually a negative topic for anybody.

Ang paglalakbay ay karaniwang hindi negatibong paksa para sa sinuman.

So, it's a safe one to bring up and people get excited when

Kaya, ito ay isang ligtas na ilabas at ang mga tao ay nasasabik kapag

talking about their adventures.

pinag-uusapan ang kanilang mga pakikipagsapalaran.

That's it.

That's it.

Ayan yun.

Ayan yun.

And I think that's a really key point just to sort of land on there is about talking

At sa tingin ko iyon ay isang talagang mahalagang punto para lamang sa pag-uuri ng lupain doon ay tungkol sa pakikipag-usap

about their own personal experience.

tungkol sa kanilang sariling personal na karanasan.

You know, if you start to talk to somebody about them and what they enjoy

Alam mo, kung magsisimula kang makipag-usap sa isang tao tungkol sa kanila at kung ano ang kinagigiliwan nilang

doing, like you said about the bag or the holidays, you see people just

gawin, tulad ng sinabi mo tungkol sa bag o bakasyon, nakikita mong

light up, you know, they explode with conversation and it makes that small

nag-iilaw lang ang mga tao, alam mo, sumasabog sila sa pag-uusap at ginagawa itong maliit na

talk piece, that getting to know one another much easier as they're sort of

usapan, na ang pagkilala sa isa't isa ay mas madali dahil sila ay isang uri lamang ng

just this waterfall of information then.

talon ng impormasyon noon.

Yeah.

Oo.

People just love talking about themselves, and so, you know, this

Gustung-gusto ng mga tao na pag-usapan ang tungkol sa kanilang sarili, at kaya, alam mo,

is one of the things I teach when talking about listening skills.

isa ito sa mga bagay na itinuturo ko kapag pinag-uusapan ang mga kasanayan sa pakikinig.

Really giving people a chance to talk and actually listening.

Talagang nagbibigay ng pagkakataon sa mga tao na magsalita at talagang makinig.

Listening to them in a way that's wanting to learn from them, rather than just

Ang pakikinig sa kanila sa paraang gustong matuto mula sa kanila, sa halip na

waiting for your chance to talk about yourself, but really listening to them

maghintay lamang ng iyong pagkakataon na pag-usapan ang tungkol sa iyong sarili, ngunit ang tunay na pakikinig sa kanila

makes them feel valued and makes them feel heard and that makes them warm to

ay nagpaparamdam sa kanila na pinahahalagahan sila at nagpaparamdam sa kanila na naririnig sila at na nagpapainit sa

you more than they would other people.

iyo nang higit pa kaysa sa gusto nila. ibang tao.

I definitely can think of the people that I enjoy talking to.

Talagang naiisip ko ang mga taong kinagigiliwan kong kausap.

And those are the people who I feel like they want to know about my life and they

At yun yung mga taong feeling ko gusto nilang malaman tungkol sa buhay ko at

want to know what's going on with me.

gusto nilang malaman kung ano ang nangyayari sa akin.

And those are the people that are my best friends and the people I enjoy spending

At iyon ang mga taong pinakamatalik kong kaibigan at ang mga taong pinakanatutuwa kong makasama

time with the most because they give me a platform to feel heard and so, giving

dahil binibigyan nila ako ng plataporma para maramdamang naririnig ko at kaya, ang pagbibigay

people a chance to talk about their personal experience is a really great way

ng pagkakataon sa mga tao na pag-usapan ang kanilang personal na karanasan ay isang napakahusay na paraan

to get started when talking to someone.

para makapagsimula. kapag may kausap.

Like you said about not just waiting for your turn to speak.

Gaya ng sinabi mo na hindi lang naghihintay ng turn mo na magsalita.

I think that's just, it's such good advice, especially now as people

Sa tingin ko lang, ito ay napakagandang payo, lalo na ngayon na ang mga tao

are on that hair trigger, just ready to jump in and say their bits.

ay nasa trigger ng buhok na iyon, handa lamang na tumalon at sabihin ang kanilang mga bit.

It's like, listen to the other person and extract some of that

Ito ay tulad ng, makinig sa ibang tao at kunin ang ilan sa

information and recycle it.

impormasyong iyon at i-recycle ito.

You know, recycling that information, as we talked about earlier, is really good.

Alam mo, ang pag-recycle ng impormasyong iyon, tulad ng napag-usapan natin kanina, ay talagang mabuti.

And not closing down the conversation too early with like closed statements,

At ang hindi pagsara ng pag-uusap ng masyadong maaga na may tulad na mga closed statement,

"Have you..", or "Do you..", because that doesn't really give the other party an

"Meron ka bang..", o "Do you..", dahil hindi talaga iyon nagbibigay ng

opportunity to really expand on their answer, you know, using open-ended

pagkakataon sa kabilang partido na talagang palawakin ang kanilang sagot, alam mo, gamit ang mga bukas na

questions, "How long?", "Where?"

tanong, "Gaano katagal?", "Saan?"

"Who?"

"How?"

"What?"

"WHO?"

"Paano?"

"Ano?"

you know, all these sorts of words really help with the small talk.

alam mo, ang lahat ng mga uri ng mga salita ay talagang nakakatulong sa maliit na usapan.

Yeah.

So, yeah, you're talking there about like the difference between yes/no

Oo.

Kaya, oo, pinag-uusapan mo doon ang tungkol sa pagkakaiba sa pagitan ng oo/hindi

questions and then open-ended questions.

na mga tanong at pagkatapos ay mga bukas na tanong.

So, just to really make it clear, a yes/no question is something like,

Kaya, para lang talagang malinawan, ang isang oo/hindi na tanong ay parang,

"Have you been here before?"

"Nakapunta ka na ba rito dati?"

Or

O

"Did you enjoy that?"

"Nasiyahan ka ba niyan?"

That, you know, if someone is a good speaker and good at conversation,

Iyon, alam mo, kung ang isang tao ay isang mahusay na tagapagsalita at mahusay sa pakikipag-usap,

then they'll take that yes/no question and they will expand.

pagkatapos ay sasagutin niya ang oo/hindi na tanong at lalawak sila.

"Yeah, I've been here before.

"Yeah, I've been here before.

I actually really enjoyed it last time, but haven't enjoyed it as much this time.

Actually nag-enjoy talaga ako last time, but haven't enjoyed it as much this time.

What did you think?"

What did you think?"

But potentially if someone is feeling, maybe they don't know you, so they're

Pero potentially kung may nararamdaman, baka hindi ka niya kilala, kaya

a bit apprehensive or they're not very good at small talk, then they'll

medyo nangangamba sila o hindi masyadong magaling sa small talk, then they'll

take that yes/no question and just go,

take that yes/no question and just go,

"Yeah."

"Yeah. "

And then you just hit a brick wall and you have to then start digging

At pagkatapos ay tumama ka lang sa isang ladrilyo na pader at kailangan mong simulan ang paghuhukay

and it becomes more awkward to find something to keep the conversation going.

at nagiging mas awkward na makahanap ng isang bagay upang mapanatili ang pag-uusap.

So, as you said, one of the better things to do is use open-ended

Kaya, gaya ng sinabi mo, ang isa sa mas magandang gawin ay gumamit ng mga bukas na

questions, which usually begin with Wh-?

tanong, na karaniwang nagsisimula sa Wh-?

"Why?", "Where?", "When?"

"Bakit?", "Saan?", "Kailan?"

and "Who?"

at sino?"

"What did you think of the event this year?"

"Ano ang naisip mo sa kaganapan sa taong ito?"

Things like that give them a chance to then, or they have to,

Ang mga ganyang bagay ay nagbibigay sa kanila ng pagkakataon na noon, o kailangan,

they can't just say "yes", "no".

hindi lang nila masasabing "oo", "hindi".

They have to say a little bit more and that helps to keep things going.

Kailangan nilang magsabi ng kaunti pa at nakakatulong iyon upang mapanatili ang mga bagay.

Are there any other things that you would suggest to someone who's trying

Mayroon bang iba pang mga bagay na imumungkahi mo sa isang taong nagsisikap

to improve their small talk in terms of keeping the conversation flowing

na pagbutihin ang kanilang maliit na usapan sa mga tuntunin ng pagpapanatiling dumadaloy ang pag-uusap

once the questions have started and the responses are coming in?

kapag nagsimula na ang mga tanong at dumating ang mga tugon?

How would someone keep it going?

Paano ito magpapatuloy ng isang tao?

Because there is sometimes that awkwardness, isn't there, where you

May awkwardness kasi minsan, di ba, kung saan

are brave enough to jump in with a good opening statement or question;

malakas ang loob mong sumabak sa magandang opening statement o tanong;

you get a positive response and then it just falls flat and you're like, I

nakakakuha ka ng isang positibong tugon at pagkatapos ay nahuhulog lamang ito at ikaw ay parang,

can't think of anything else to say.

wala akong maisip na ibang sasabihin.

Yeah.

And then it's even more awkward almost because it's kind of

Oo. At saka mas awkward pa halos kasi medyo

started and then stopped.

nagsimula tapos huminto.

So, what advice would you give in that situation?

Kaya, anong payo ang ibibigay mo sa sitwasyong iyon?

I think there are two places where you can go here.

Sa tingin ko ay may dalawang lugar kung saan maaari kang pumunta dito.

The first one is, as we've mentioned before, about recycling the information.

Ang una ay, tulad ng nabanggit na namin dati, tungkol sa pag-recycle ng impormasyon.

If you volunteer a piece of information, then I'm going to be

Kung magboboluntaryo ka ng isang piraso ng impormasyon, hahanapin ko

looking for that and just sort of drill down into that a little bit more.

iyon at mag-drill down pa doon nang kaunti pa.

You know, you mentioned about scuba diving in Egypt and I

Alam mo, nabanggit mo ang tungkol sa scuba diving sa Egypt at

asked you how that was, you know,

tinanong kita kung paano iyon, alam mo,

"What did you see?"

"Ano ang nakita mo?"

And you saw shipwrecks, et cetera.

At nakakita ka ng mga shipwrecks, at iba pa.

And also using those open-ended questions, I think a combination of those two things,

At gamit din ang mga open-ended na tanong na iyon, sa tingin ko ay kumbinasyon ng dalawang bagay na iyon,

so recycled information, in addition to those open-ended questions really pulls

kaya ang recycled na impormasyon, bilang karagdagan sa mga bukas na tanong na iyon ay talagang hinihila

your audience, that third party into it.

ang iyong madla, ang ikatlong partido na iyon.

And you can really enjoy the conversation as well.

At talagang mae-enjoy mo rin ang usapan.

It's a really good way of keeping it going and if the conversation dries up, you can

Ito ay talagang mahusay na paraan ng pagpapanatili nito at kung ang pag-uusap ay natuyo, maaari kang

volunteer a piece of information and talk about how or why or when you did something

magboluntaryo ng isang piraso ng impormasyon at pag-usapan kung paano o bakit o kailan mo

as well that reflects the speaker.

rin ginawa ang isang bagay na sumasalamin sa nagsasalita.

What about yourself?

Paano ang iyong sarili?

I mean, do you have any pro tips?

I mean, may pro tips ka ba?

So, I think always having like a toolbox of questions, general questions.

Kaya, sa tingin ko ay palaging may tulad ng isang toolbox ng mga tanong, pangkalahatang mga katanungan.

So, if we go back to the event scenario.

Kaya, kung babalik tayo sa senaryo ng kaganapan.

So, I've been to a lot of events at the ExCel in London and you do

Kaya, marami na akong napuntahan na mga kaganapan sa ExCel sa London at

strike up conversations with people.

nakikipag-usap ka sa mga tao.

So, if you strike up a conversation based on the coffee, so, you're

Kaya, kung sisimulan mo ang isang pag-uusap batay sa kape, kaya,

standing in line, you've just got your coffee, you can see someone

nakatayo ka sa linya, nakuha mo pa lang ang iyong kape, makikita mong may ibang tao

else has just got their coffee.

na nakakakuha ng kanilang kape.

And you know that that person is someone that you want to talk to because

At alam mo na ang taong iyon ay isang taong gusto mong kausapin dahil

they work for a certain company and you want to strike a conversation.

nagtatrabaho siya sa isang partikular na kumpanya at gusto mong makipag-usap.

And they're drinking the coffee, and you just have a sip of the coffee, and

At umiinom sila ng kape, at humigop ka lang ng kape, at

your opening line is something like,

ang iyong pambungad na linya ay parang,

"What do you think of the coffee?"

"Ano sa tingin mo ang kape?"

Because you can see maybe they're not enjoying it.

Kasi makikita mo baka hindi sila nag-eenjoy.

And they might respond with,

At maaari silang tumugon ng,

"Oh, I've had better."

"Naku, mas maganda ako."

Yeah.

Then the conversation potentially stops.

Oo. Pagkatapos ang pag-uusap ay maaaring huminto.

And so what you then do is go to your toolbox and think,

At kaya ang gagawin mo ay pumunta sa iyong toolbox at mag-isip,

"What else can I talk about?"

"Ano pa ang maaari kong pag-usapan?"

Well, we're in a shared environment, the coffee's not going anywhere.

Well, we're in a shared environment, hindi mapupunta ang kape.

So,

Kaya,

"Have you been to any of the talks today?

"Nakapunta ka na ba sa alinman sa mga pag-uusap ngayon?

I hear that, Monica Lewinsky is doing the closing speech.

Naririnig ko iyon, si Monica Lewinsky ang gumagawa ng pangwakas na talumpati.

Are you going to go to that?"

Pupunta ka ba doon?"

And then that might open up the conversation more.

At pagkatapos ay maaaring mas mabuksan ang pag-uusap.

And then if that doesn't work, I might say something about the weather.

At kung hindi iyon gagana, maaari akong magsabi ng tungkol sa lagay ng panahon.

So, having like a set handful of questions that I can throw in and

Kaya, ang pagkakaroon ng isang hanay ng mga katanungan na maaari kong ihagis at

like you said, if the questions don't lead anywhere, then make a statement

tulad ng sinabi mo, kung ang mga tanong ay hindi humahantong sa kahit saan, pagkatapos ay gumawa ng isang pahayag

and see if they take the bait.

at tingnan kung sila ay kukuha ng pain.

So, I said,

Kaya, sabi ko,

"What do you think of the coffee?"

"Ano sa tingin mo ang kape?"

They said they had better.

Sabi nila mas maganda sila.

I don't know what else to say.

Hindi ko alam kung ano pa ang sasabihin ko.

I'd say,

"This is my first time at the event.

Sasabihin ko,

"First time ko ito sa event.

I think it's really good."

I think it's really good."

And see if they then, and they should then respond to that with something to

At tingnan kung sila, at pagkatapos ay dapat silang tumugon doon sa isang bagay na

help the conversation flow because it is two way after all people can see if

makakatulong sa daloy ng pag-uusap dahil ito ay dalawang paraan pagkatapos makita ng lahat ng mga tao kung

you're trying to make a conversation.

sinusubukan mong gumawa ng isang pag-uusap.

Of course.

Syempre.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oo.

Oo.

Yeah.

Having a toolkit, having a toolbox of sort of, one liners just to

Oo. Ang pagkakaroon ng isang toolkit, pagkakaroon ng isang toolbox ng uri ng, isang liners para lamang

deploy in some case, high-pressure situations, you know, this individual

i-deploy sa ilang mga kaso, mataas na presyon ng mga sitwasyon, alam mo, ang indibidwal na ito

at the ExCel is quite an important character or carries a lot of weight.

sa ExCel ay medyo isang mahalagang karakter o nagdadala ng maraming timbang.

You might feel the pressure a little bit.

Maaaring makaramdam ka ng kaunting pressure.

Yeah.

And I think especially for non natives that really want to nail

Oo. At sa tingin ko lalo na para sa mga hindi katutubo na talagang gustong magpako

this small talk is to drill, you know, pick three and go with them.

sa maliit na usapan na ito ay mag-drill, alam mo, pumili ng tatlo at sumama sa kanila.

What do you think of the coffee?

Ano sa tingin mo ang kape?

And, you know, really drill that into your vocabulary so you can get that

At, alam mo, talagang i-drill iyon sa iyong bokabularyo para mailabas mo iyon

out even when you're not feeling a hundred percent or a little bit nervous.

kahit na hindi ka nakakaramdam ng isang daang porsyento o medyo kinakabahan.

Yeah.

Oo.

And then if you want to have more of a conversation with someone, but obviously

At pagkatapos ay kung gusto mong magkaroon ng higit na pakikipag-usap sa isang tao, ngunit malinaw na

you've literally just hijacked them.

literal na na-hijack mo lang sila.

You've just grabbed their attention.

Naagaw mo lang ang atensyon nila.

Ambushed.

Tinambangan.

Yeah, perhaps they are having a 10-minute break from what has been

Oo, marahil ay nagkakaroon sila ng 10 minutong pahinga mula sa medyo

quite a busy morning and they've got another appointment to get to.

abalang umaga at mayroon silang isa pang appointment na pupuntahan.

You've just jumped in and started making small talk with them.

Sumabak ka na lang at nagsimulang makipag-usap sa kanila.

So, I think it's really important to read the signs to try and

Kaya, sa tingin ko ito ay talagang mahalaga na basahin ang mga palatandaan upang subukan at

read whether or not this person..

basahin kung ang taong ito o hindi..

That's a great point.

That's a great point.

Are they checking their watch?

Sinusuri ba nila ang kanilang relo?

Are they checking their phone?

Sinusuri ba nila ang kanilang telepono?

Do they seem distracted?

Parang distracted ba sila?

So, let's say that you've just struck up conversation with

Kaya, sabihin nating kakatapos mo lang makipag-usap sa

someone you really want to talk to.

isang taong gusto mo talagang makausap.

The small talk is going well, but you can see that they're a little distracted.

Maayos naman ang usapan, pero makikita mong medyo na-distract sila.

Do you have any suggestions of what you might do to make sure that

Mayroon ka bang anumang mga mungkahi kung ano ang maaari mong gawin upang matiyak na

you get a chance to have a deeper conversation with this person, but

magkakaroon ka ng pagkakataong magkaroon ng mas malalim na pakikipag-usap sa taong ito, ngunit

without being rude and annoying?

nang hindi nagiging bastos at nakakainis?

Yeah.

Oo.

Great question, and I'm sure that many people face this on a daily basis.

Magandang tanong, at sigurado ako na maraming tao ang nakakaharap nito araw-araw.

I would, I mean the first thing is compliment, you know, like we've spoken

Gusto ko, ibig kong sabihin ang unang bagay ay papuri, alam mo, tulad ng napag-usapan

about already, complimenting the other person, thanking them, being grateful for

na natin, papuri sa ibang tao, pasasalamat sa kanila, pasasalamat sa

the time that they have spent with you.

oras na ginugol nila sa iyo.

And if you are interested in developing this relationship then,

At kung interesado kang bumuo ng relasyong ito,

"Thanks very much for your time.

"Maraming salamat sa iyong oras.

You know, it's been great chatting with you."

Alam mo, napakasarap makipag-chat sa iyo."

Yeah, that's a good one.

So, showing that acknowledgement straight away and then you can

Oo, maganda iyon.

Kaya, ang pagpapakita ng pagkilala na iyon kaagad at pagkatapos ay maaari mong

steer it, you know, either way.

patnubayan ito, alam mo, alinman sa paraan.

Maybe you do want to follow up or maybe you don't, and

Baka gusto mong mag-follow up o baka hindi mo, at

"It'd be great to catch up again sometime, if I could grab some details"

"Masarap makibalita ulit minsan, kung makakakuha ako ng ilang detalye"

or "grab your details" would work.

o "grab your details" ay gagana.

If not be more indirect, you know, very British about it,

If not be more indirect, you know, very British about it,

"Maybe we'll bump into each other again sometime."

"Maybe we'll bump into each other again sometime."

And taking the indirect route.

At tinatahak ang hindi direktang ruta.

It really depends what you would like to do in that situation, but certainly

Ito ay talagang depende kung ano ang gusto mong gawin sa sitwasyong iyon, ngunit tiyak na

compliment and be grateful for the time that they have spent with you.

papuri at pasasalamat sa oras na ginugol nila sa iyo.

Yeah.

Oo.

Thoughts on that?

Mga iniisip tungkol diyan?

Would you do anything differently?

May gagawin ka bang iba?

In a business setting, I would still these days ask for someone's card.

Sa isang setting ng negosyo, hihingi pa rin ako sa mga araw na ito ng card ng isang tao.

I know that they're becoming less popular because everyone can connect on

Alam ko na nagiging hindi gaanong sikat ang mga ito dahil lahat ay maaaring kumonekta sa

the phone, but I wouldn't potentially just say I'd love to connect.

telepono, ngunit hindi ko maaaring sabihin na gusto kong kumonekta.

I'd love a chance to speak with you more about this.

Gusto ko ng pagkakataon na makipag-usap sa iyo nang higit pa tungkol dito.

Or yeah, just using that phrase, it would be great to connect sometime

O oo, gamit lang ang pariralang iyon, magiging mahusay na kumonekta minsan

or, I'd love to talk more about...

o, gusto kong pag-usapan pa ang tungkol sa...

I don't know, filming in 4k.

Ewan ko, ang paggawa ng pelikula sa 4k.

I'd love to talk more about that, at some point, if you have any time later

Gusto kong pag-usapan ang higit pa tungkol diyan, sa isang punto, kung mayroon kang anumang oras mamaya

today or at some point over the event.

ngayon o sa isang punto sa kaganapan.

So, just offering up in a really gentle way and also showing appreciation

Kaya, nag-aalok lamang sa isang tunay na banayad na paraan at nagpapakita din ng pagpapahalaga

for the time that they have, you know, saying something like, you're

sa oras na mayroon sila, alam mo, na nagsasabi ng isang bagay tulad ng,

probably busy right now, but if you have any time later, or over the

malamang na abala ka ngayon, ngunit kung mayroon kang anumang oras mamaya, o sa katapusan ng

weekend, it'd be great to catch up.

linggo, ito Mahusay na makahabol.

Something like that.

May ganyan.

Just saying, I appreciate you're probably very busy.

Ang sinasabi ko lang, I appreciate you're probably very busy.

I always appreciate it when people contact me.

Palagi kong pinahahalagahan ito kapag ang mga tao ay nakikipag-ugnayan sa akin.

I get lots of unsolicited messages and emails.

Nakatanggap ako ng maraming hindi hinihinging mga mensahe at email.

And when people say, I appreciate you're probably really busy.

At kapag sinabi ng mga tao, I appreciate you're probably really busy.

I know you're busy.

Alam kong busy ka.

If they contact me three or four times on the same email chain and I

Kung nakipag-ugnayan sila sa akin ng tatlo o apat na beses sa parehong email chain at

haven't responded, and they usually say, look, I know you're really busy.

hindi ako tumugon, at kadalasang sinasabi nila, tingnan mo, alam kong abala ka talaga.

And this email is probably just got washed away in a sea of emails.

At ang email na ito ay malamang na naanod sa dagat ng mga email.

I'm just bumping it up in case you are still interested.

I'm just bumping it in case na interesado ka pa.

That's the best way to approach rather than being.

Iyan ang pinakamahusay na paraan upang lapitan kaysa sa pagiging.

Yeah, pushy, not too pushy, you know, getting, not having an edge to the

Oo, mapilit, hindi masyadong mapilit, alam mo, nakakakuha, hindi nagkakaroon ng edge sa

conversation, you know, it is the other person's choice, but you know,

usapan, alam mo, ito ay pagpipilian ng ibang tao, ngunit alam mo,

be grateful, and gracious as well.

maging mapagpasalamat, at mapagbigay din.

"I don't want to keep you" is a good phrase.

"Ayokong panatilihin ka" ay isang magandang parirala.

That's a great one.

Especially if you are trying to ascertain whether someone is open to

Iyan ay isang mahusay.

Lalo na kung sinusubukan mong tiyakin kung ang isang tao ay bukas na

spending more time chatting with you.

gumugol ng mas maraming oras sa pakikipag-chat sa iyo.

Maybe you've got an hour free for your lunchtime, and you're not

Marahil ay mayroon kang isang oras na libre para sa iyong tanghalian, at hindi ka

sure if they have or not, and you want to get deep into conversation.

sigurado kung mayroon sila o wala, at gusto mong makipag-usap nang malalim.

You could say,

"Look, I don't want to keep you, but it'd be great to chat to you more about this."

Maaari mong sabihin,

"Tingnan mo, hindi kita gustong panatilihin, ngunit magandang makipag-chat sa iyo nang higit pa tungkol dito."

And then they might say to you,

At pagkatapos ay maaari nilang sabihin sa iyo,

"Well, actually I'm on a break until four o'clock this afternoon.

"Well, actually break muna ako hanggang alas-kwatro ng hapon.

So, I'm at a bit of a loose end.

Kaya, medyo maluwag ako.

D'you want to go and grab something to eat and we can talk about it now."

Gusto mo bang pumunta at kumuha ng makakain at maaari nating pag-usapan ito ngayon."

So, just saying, "I don't want to keep you", it gives them the

Kaya, ang pagsasabi lang ng, "Ayokong panatilihin ka", nagbibigay ito sa kanila ng

option to accept or decline more time with you at that point.

opsyon na tanggapin o tanggihan ang mas maraming oras kasama ka sa puntong iyon.

So, it's a good one to remember.

Kaya, ito ay isang magandang tandaan.

That's a fantastic one.

Iyan ay isang hindi kapani-paniwala.

Yeah, I don't want to keep you.

Oo, ayokong panatilihin ka.

And Rob, I have actually kept you now for an hour on this recording, so I

At Rob, talagang pinananatili kita ngayon sa loob ng isang oras sa recording na ito, kaya ayaw na

don't want to keep you any longer.

kitang panatilihin.

No, it's been an absolute pleasure being here.

Hindi, naging isang ganap na kasiyahan ang narito.

It's been absolutely awesome talking through some of this stuff with you.

Napakasarap makipag-usap sa iyo sa pamamagitan ng ilan sa mga bagay na ito.

Yeah.

Oo.

Thank you.

I've really appreciated all your insights and advice.

Salamat.

Talagang pinahahalagahan ko ang lahat ng iyong mga pananaw at payo.

What I will do for my Plus Members is to create a little sheet with, like a

Ang gagawin ko para sa aking mga Plus Member ay gumawa ng isang maliit na sheet na may, tulad ng isang

crib sheet, or a cue sheet with some of the phrases that we've mentioned here

crib sheet, o isang cue sheet na may ilan sa mga parirala na binanggit namin dito

today and when you should use them.

ngayon at kung kailan mo dapat gamitin ang mga ito.

And that will be available to Plus Members.

At iyon ay magiging available sa Plus Members.

So, without further ado, I'm going to thank you, Rob, and I'm going to

Kaya, nang walang karagdagang ado, magpapasalamat ako sa iyo, Rob, at hikayatin ko ang

encourage my listeners to come and listen to the conversation that we

aking mga tagapakinig na pumunta at makinig sa pag-uusap namin

have on your podcast, which is all about how to interrupt someone, but

sa iyong podcast, na tungkol sa kung paano makagambala sa isang tao, ngunit

in a polite way, because sometimes we do need to make a little interjection.

sa isang magalang na paraan, dahil minsan kailangan nating gumawa ng kaunting interjection.

We do need to interrupt.

Kailangan nating makagambala.

Absolutely.

Talagang.

But you don't want to offend someone in the process.

Ngunit hindi mo nais na masaktan ang isang tao sa proseso.

So if you guys want to hear us talking about that, then I'll leave the

Kaya kung gusto ninyong marinig na pinag-uusapan namin iyon, iiwan ko ang

details and links in the show notes.

mga detalye at link sa mga tala ng palabas.

So Rob, where can people find you if they want to listen to you

Kaya Rob, saan ka mahahanap ng mga tao kung gusto nilang makinig sa iyo

and your lovely tones generally?

at sa iyong magagandang tono sa pangkalahatan?

We're on iTunes, Spotify, and all the other major podcast platforms

Kami ay nasa iTunes, Spotify, at lahat ng iba pang pangunahing podcast platform

or at thebusinessenglishpodcast.com.

o sa thebusinessenglishpodcast.com.

You can find us there.

Mahahanap mo kami doon.

Okay, so if I'm on Spotify and I'm just searching for you, I just type

Okay, kaya kung nasa Spotify ako at hinahanap lang kita, nagta-type lang ako

in the British English Podcast.

sa British English Podcast.

The Business English.

Ang Business English.

Oh, the...

Business Business.

Oh, ang... Business Business.

The Business.

The Business.

Ang Negosyo.

Ang Negosyo.

The Business English Podcast.

Ang Business English Podcast.

I mean, they have a great podcast too.

Ibig kong sabihin, mayroon din silang mahusay na podcast.

You know, they have a great podcast too.

Alam mo, mayroon din silang mahusay na podcast.

But The Business English Podcast.

Ngunit Ang Business English Podcast.

Yeah, The Business English Podcast.

Oo, Ang Business English Podcast.

Okay.

How to offend someone in one line.

Sige.

Paano masaktan ang isang tao sa isang linya.

Excellent.

Magaling.

Repeat their name back.

Ulitin ang kanilang pangalan pabalik.

Good.

Wrong.

Mabuti. mali.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

Oo. Sige.

Oo.

Very good.

Okay.

Napakahusay.

Sige. So The Business English Podcast at nasa YouTube ka rin, di ba?

So The Business English Podcast and you're also on YouTube as well, right?

That's right.

Yeah.

Tama iyan.

Oo. Energetic English ang channel, kaya makikita mo ang lahat

Energetic English is the channel, so you can find all

the podcast material on there.

ng podcast material doon.

Fantastic.

All right.

Hindi kapani-paniwala.

Lahat tama.

Well, thank you so much for joining us and to my listeners, thank you

Well, thank you so much for joining us and to my listeners, thank you

for joining and I'll see you and tickle your eardrums again very soon.

for joining and I'll see you and kilitiin your eardrums again very soon.

Until then, take care and goodbye.

Hanggang doon, mag-ingat at paalam.