Native English Conversation: Facing Your Fears with Bree (Into The Story Podcast)

Hello, and welcome to the English Like a Native Podcast, the listening

Kumusta, at maligayang pagdating sa English Like a Native Podcast, ang

resource for intermediate to advanced-level English learners.

mapagkukunan ng pakikinig para sa mga intermediate hanggang advanced na antas ng mga nag-aaral ng English.

My name is Anna, and today I have a very special guest.

Ang pangalan ko ay Anna, at ngayon ay mayroon akong napakaespesyal na panauhin.

I would like to introduce to you the lovely Bree, the host of Into

Gusto kong ipakilala sa iyo ang kaibig-ibig na Bree, ang host ng Into

the Story, a fantastic podcast that you should all be listening to.

the Story, isang kamangha-manghang podcast na dapat ninyong lahat ay nakikinig.

Hi Bree, how are you?

Hi Bree, kamusta?

I'm wonderful.

Ako ay kahanga-hanga.

How are you, Anna?

Kamusta ka na, Anna?

I'm very well, thank you.

Magaling ako, salamat.

Now, Bree, I love your podcast, but can you tell our listeners

Ngayon, Bree, gusto ko ang iyong podcast, ngunit maaari mo bang sabihin sa aming mga tagapakinig

who haven't discovered it yet what your podcast is all about?

na hindi pa nakakatuklas nito kung tungkol saan ang iyong podcast?

Yes, absolutely.

Oo, ganap.

So, Into the Story is a podcast also for intermediate to advanced

Kaya, ang Into the Story ay isang podcast din para sa mga intermediate hanggang advanced

learners that want to improve their English listening to true stories.

na mga mag-aaral na gustong pagbutihin ang kanilang pakikinig sa Ingles sa mga totoong kwento.

So, we interview all sorts of interesting and fascinating people from all over

Kaya, kinakapanayam namin ang lahat ng uri ng mga kawili-wili at kaakit-akit na mga tao mula sa buong

the world, and they tell a true story.

mundo, at nagsasabi sila ng totoong kuwento.

And then we turn that into a little class and listening experience.

At pagkatapos ay ginagawa namin iyon sa isang maliit na karanasan sa klase at pakikinig.

And yeah, you came on the podcast.

At oo, dumating ka sa podcast.

I did.

Ginawa ko.

And you told a beautiful, beautiful story.

At nagkwento ka ng maganda, magandang kwento.

I was just amazed the whole time you were telling it.

Nagulat lang ako sa buong oras na sinasabi mo.

And that's Into the Story.

At iyon ang Into the Story.

Fantastic.

Hindi kapani-paniwala.

What's been your, like highlights of the podcast?

Ano ang iyong naging, tulad ng mga highlight ng podcast?

Do you have any standout stories that were told on your podcast?

Mayroon ka bang mga kakaibang kwento na sinabi sa iyong podcast?

Yes.

Oo.

So, for me, the story that perhaps impacted me the most, because it

Kaya, para sa akin, ang kuwento na marahil ang pinaka-naapektuhan sa akin, dahil ito

is very inspiring and big is the first Canadian to summit Everest.

ay napaka-inspiring at malaki ay ang unang Canadian na summit sa Everest.

So, he tells the story, and also since becoming the first Canadian to

Kaya, nagkuwento siya, at mula nang maging unang Canadian na

summit Everest, he became a speaker.

summit sa Everest, naging tagapagsalita siya.

So, he just has this presence, I think he's also a shaman, like he's very

So, ganito lang ang presensya niya, sa tingin ko shaman din siya, parang napaka-

spiritual, and there's a moment in his story where he talks about, they lost

spiritual niya, and there's a moment sa story niya na pinag-uusapan niya, nawalan sila

a bunch of the climbers and they're at Camp Four, so they're very high up

ng bunch of the climbers at nasa Camp Four sila, so sila' re very high up

there and he has to get out of the tent.

there and he has to get out of the tent.

It's minus, I think it's minus 50.

Ito ay minus, sa tingin ko ito ay minus 50.

Like it's something insanely cold and he has to go out of the

Parang ito ay isang bagay na nakakabaliw na malamig at kailangan niyang lumabas ng

tent and look for these climbers.

tent at hanapin ang mga umaakyat na ito.

And every time I go in for my swim, so the water is a bit cold, I think of him.

At sa tuwing papasok ako para mag-swimming, kaya medyo malamig ang tubig, naiisip ko siya.

I'm like, if he can like go out of his tent so early and minus 50, I can

I'm like, if he can like go out of his tent so early and minus 50, I can

go into this water, this cold water.

go into this water, itong malamig na tubig.

So yeah, that's probably, that's a highlight, but every story is amazing

Kaya oo, malamang, iyon ay isang highlight, ngunit ang bawat kuwento ay kamangha-manghang

and not all of them are extraordinary.

at hindi lahat ng mga ito ay pambihira.

Some of them are very ordinary, but they're all very beautiful.

Ang ilan sa kanila ay napakakaraniwan, ngunit lahat sila ay napakaganda.

Fantastic.

Hindi kapani-paniwala.

Thank you for sharing that with us.

Salamat sa pagbabahagi nito sa amin.

So, today's podcast, I thought we'd talk about fear as a topic because

Kaya, ang podcast ngayon, naisip ko na pag-uusapan natin ang tungkol sa takot bilang isang paksa dahil

fear is something that everyone experiences and whereas in the past

ang takot ay isang bagay na nararanasan ng lahat at samantalang sa nakaraan

fear was something that was there to protect us, it now actually in

ang takot ay isang bagay na nandiyan upang protektahan tayo, ngayon ay talagang sa

most cases has become a barrier, an obstacle that people have to overcome.

karamihan ng mga kaso ay naging isang hadlang, isang balakid na kailangang malampasan ng mga tao.

And particularly when we're talking about language learning, fear really

At lalo na kapag pinag-uusapan natin ang tungkol sa pag-aaral ng wika, ang takot ay talagang

plays a big part in people's progression.

gumaganap ng malaking bahagi sa pag-unlad ng mga tao.

It kind of stops people from progressing.

Ito ay uri ng pumipigil sa mga tao mula sa pag-unlad.

So, I thought we'd talk about fear today.

Kaya, naisip ko na pag-uusapan natin ang tungkol sa takot ngayon.

To start with, there are a couple of words and terms that come into the topic

Upang magsimula sa, mayroong ilang mga salita at termino na pumapasok sa paksa

of fear that sometimes can be confused.

ng takot na kung minsan ay maaaring malito.

So, the three terms I'm thinking of, firstly are anxiety, anxiety, to

Kaya, ang tatlong termino na iniisip ko, una ay pagkabalisa, pagkabalisa, pagiging

be anxious, and then the word fear itself, and then the word phobia.

balisa, at pagkatapos ay ang salitang takot mismo, at pagkatapos ay ang salitang phobia.

So, these three words are kind of bandied about when talking about

Kaya, ang tatlong salitang ito ay uri ng bandied tungkol sa kapag pinag-uusapan ang tungkol sa

fears, but is there a difference, Bree?

mga takot, ngunit may pagkakaiba, Bree?

Yeah, I think definitely there's a difference.

Oo, sa tingin ko tiyak na may pagkakaiba.

I think nowadays, anxiety is a word we're used to hearing.

Sa tingin ko sa panahon ngayon, ang pagkabalisa ay isang salitang nakasanayan na nating marinig.

We talk a lot about this concept of anxiety.

Marami kaming pinag-uusapan tungkol sa konseptong ito ng pagkabalisa.

And I think of it more as like a longer state of fear.

At mas iniisip ko ito bilang isang mas mahabang estado ng takot.

You know, you're kind of feeling that feeling in your heart.

Alam mo, medyo nararamdaman mo ang pakiramdam na iyon sa iyong puso.

Maybe some people talk about it in their stomach of almost discomfort,

Marahil ang ilang mga tao ay nagsasalita tungkol dito sa kanilang tiyan na halos hindi komportable,

almost butterflies, you know.

halos butterflies, alam mo.

We have this talk about butterflies where it just feels kind of strange.

Mayroon kaming ganitong usapan tungkol sa mga paru-paro kung saan kakaiba ang pakiramdam.

And it can feel stressful.

At maaari itong makaramdam ng stress.

It can feel uncomfortable.

Maaari itong makaramdam ng hindi komportable.

And I don't think anxiety is very good for us.

At sa palagay ko ay hindi napakabuti ng pagkabalisa para sa atin.

What do you think?

Ano sa tingin mo?

Yeah, it's something that we can live with long-term, isn't it?

Oo, ito ay isang bagay na maaari nating mabuhay nang matagal, hindi ba?

It's a low-level fear that we can function with.

Ito ay isang mababang antas na takot na maaari nating gamitin.

So, we just go through our day feeling anxious, worried about something,

Kaya, dinadaan lang namin ang aming araw na nakakaramdam ng pagkabalisa, pag-aalala tungkol sa isang bagay,

or in some cases not worried about anything in particular, but still

o sa ilang mga kaso na hindi nag-aalala tungkol sa anumang partikular na bagay, ngunit

having this sense of anxiety.

mayroon pa ring ganitong pakiramdam ng pagkabalisa.

When I feel anxious, I have the thing you talked about with that feeling

Kapag nakakaramdam ako ng pagkabalisa, mayroon akong bagay na iyong pinag-usapan na may ganoong pakiramdam

in the tummy, like butterflies in the stomach or that feeling

sa tiyan, tulad ng mga paru-paro sa tiyan o ang pakiramdam

of a turning over of the stomach.

ng pag-ikot ng tiyan.

I always sense that it's like adrenaline running through my veins

Palagi kong nararamdaman na para itong adrenaline na dumadaloy sa aking mga ugat

and this kind of buzzing, shaky feeling that I just can't shake.

at ang ganitong uri ng paghiging, nanginginig na pakiramdam na hindi ko matitinag.

There's another phrase to shake the feeling.

May isa pang pariralang nakakapagpabagal ng damdamin.

So I have a shaky feeling that I just can't shake, I can't get rid of.

So I have a shaky feeling that I just can't shake, I can't get rid of.

What kinds of things would make someone feel anxious?

Anong mga uri ng mga bagay ang maaaring makaramdam ng pagkabalisa sa isang tao?

Well, when I think of anxiety in my life these days I'm a mother of two boys,

Buweno, kapag iniisip ko ang pagkabalisa sa aking buhay sa mga araw na ito, ako ay isang ina ng dalawang lalaki,

and they can cause anxiety sometimes.

at maaari silang maging sanhi ng pagkabalisa kung minsan.

Yes.

You know, me and my husband have quite a liberal approach to parenting.

Oo. Alam mo, ako at ang aking asawa ay may medyo liberal na diskarte sa pagiging magulang.

We like to let them do as much as they can do and experiment with their bodies,

Gusto naming hayaan silang gawin hangga't kaya nila at mag-eksperimento sa kanilang mga katawan,

but sometimes when you're at the park and you're watching a two year old climb

ngunit kung minsan kapag nasa parke ka at pinapanood mo ang isang dalawang taong gulang na umakyat

up a ladder and then hang with one hand.

sa hagdan at pagkatapos ay mag-hang gamit ang isang kamay.

This is a feeling maybe of anxiety, kind of that fear that something could

This is a feeling maybe of anxiety, kind of that fear that something could

be happening or the anxiety about, am I doing things well or not well?

be happening or the anxiety about, maayos ba ang ginagawa ko o hindi maganda?

Also anxiety with work.

Pati ang pagkabalisa sa trabaho.

When you have projects that you have to finish, it's kind of this constant, like

Kapag mayroon kang mga proyekto na kailangan mong tapusin, ito ay uri ng ganitong pare-pareho, tulad ng

you just said, a buzzing kind of feeling of adrenaline and cortisol in your body.

sinabi mo lang, isang buzzing uri ng pakiramdam ng adrenaline at cortisol sa iyong katawan.

And you feel unsettled.

At pakiramdam mo ay hindi mapakali.

You don't feel relaxed.

Hindi ka relaxed.

You don't have a feeling of well-being.

Wala kang pakiramdam ng kagalingan.

And for me, when I have this feeling, I use yoga and meditation.

At para sa akin, kapag mayroon akong ganitong pakiramdam, gumagamit ako ng yoga at pagmumuni-muni.

That's the only thing that calms me down.

Yun lang ang nakakapagpakalma sa akin.

To kind of just come back to the present moment and think, okay, what happened in

Ang tipong bumalik lang sa kasalukuyang sandali at isipin, okay, ang nangyari sa

the past is not in the present moment.

nakaraan ay wala sa kasalukuyang sandali.

It's not, shouldn't be feared.

Hindi, hindi dapat katakutan.

What's going to come in the future will come, but right now, everything's okay.

Kung ano ang darating sa hinaharap ay darating, ngunit sa ngayon, okay na ang lahat.

And reminding myself rationally that everything's okay.

And reminding myself rationally that everything is okay.

What about you?

ikaw naman?

What do you think?

Ano sa tingin mo?

What causes anxiety for you?

Ano ang nagiging sanhi ng pagkabalisa para sa iyo?

I'm the same, as a mother, I suffer from anxiety related to my children.

Ganun din ako, bilang ina, dumaranas ako ng anxiety related sa mga anak ko.

I do this terrible thing of going to bed and lying there in the moment.

Ginagawa ko ang kakila-kilabot na bagay na ito ng pagpunta sa kama at paghiga doon sa sandaling ito.

I take a long time to go to sleep, usually about 20 to 30

Matagal akong natutulog, kadalasan mga 20 to 30

minutes of just lying there.

minutes na nakahiga lang.

And I tend to fall into catastrophising.

At malamang na mahulog ako sa sakuna.

So, to catastrophise you know, think about terrible things that could possibly happen

Kaya, para sakuna alam mo, isipin ang mga kakila-kilabot na bagay na posibleng mangyari

and how I would act in that scenario.

at kung paano ako kikilos sa sitwasyong iyon.

And it usually is about my children.

At kadalasan ito ay tungkol sa aking mga anak.

So, it will be walking my children down the road and a child runs out in front of

Kaya, ito ay maglalakad sa aking mga anak sa kalsada at isang bata ang tumakbo palabas sa harap ng

a car or being on the top of a cliff and my child falling down off the cliff edge

isang kotse o nasa tuktok ng isang bangin at ang aking anak ay nahuhulog sa gilid ng bangin

and not knowing what I do at that moment.

at hindi alam kung ano ang aking ginagawa sa sandaling iyon.

You know, these horrendous things that could possibly happen to my kids.

Alam mo, ang mga kakila-kilabot na bagay na ito na posibleng mangyari sa aking mga anak.

And, I do that pretty much every night.

At, halos gabi-gabi kong ginagawa iyon.

So, I have this constant anxiety about something bad happening to

Kaya, mayroon akong patuloy na pagkabalisa tungkol sa isang masamang nangyayari sa

them, in terms of my child's safety.

kanila, sa mga tuntunin ng kaligtasan ng aking anak.

It gets easier, but separation anxiety is definitely something I struggle with.

Ito ay nagiging mas madali, ngunit ang pagkabalisa sa paghihiwalay ay talagang isang bagay na nahihirapan ako.

I think most children struggle with it when they're younger,

Sa tingin ko karamihan sa mga bata ay nahihirapan dito noong sila ay mas bata,

separating from their parents.

na humiwalay sa kanilang mga magulang.

But I think parents can struggle with it too, especially when you have your first

Ngunit sa palagay ko ay mahihirapan din ang mga magulang, lalo na kapag mayroon kang unang

baby, the first time you let them go into the arms of somebody else, even if you

anak, sa unang pagkakataon na hinayaan mo silang kumandong sa iba, kahit na

know and love and trust the other person, you still think something bad will happen

kilala mo at mahal at pinagkakatiwalaan mo ang ibang tao, iniisip mo pa rin na may masamang mangyayari. mangyari

because I'm not going to be with my child.

dahil hindi ko makakasama ang anak ko.

So things like that.

Kaya mga bagay na ganyan.

Yeah, I can relate to everything that you just said.

Oo, nakakarelate ako sa lahat ng sinabi mo.

I don't tend to catastrophise, but just yesterday, so, I take my kids

I don't tend to catastrophise, but just yesterday, so, I take my kids

swimming on Mondays, and it's like a high anxiety moment because there's

swimming on Mondays, and it's like a high anxiety moment kasi andun

the two-year-old, the five-year-old, they're jumping in the water.

yung two-year-old, the five-year-old, tumatalon sila. ang tubig.

So, I'm very alert, like I'm very aware, like holding one, got the arm or leg of

So, sobrang alerto ako, parang sobrang aware ako, tulad ng paghawak sa isa, pagkuha sa braso o binti ng

the other one, and at the end we were playing on kind of like the stairs.

isa, at sa dulo ay naglalaro kami sa parang hagdan.

So, both of them touch the bottom of the pool.

Kaya, pareho silang humipo sa ilalim ng pool.

But I turned around for literally three to five seconds to start

Ngunit tumalikod ako nang literal na tatlo hanggang limang segundo upang simulan

putting on my shoes to leave the pool.

ang pagsuot ng aking sapatos para umalis sa pool.

And I look back down and at this moment my anxiety turned to fear.

At tumingin ako pabalik at sa sandaling ito ang aking pagkabalisa ay napalitan ng takot.

Like the moment of the adrenaline spiking into your throat or your eyes,

Tulad ng sandali ng adrenaline spiking sa iyong lalamunan o sa iyong mga mata,

I don't know, it just, it has this 'hoh' feeling where it just flashes up.

hindi ko alam, ito lamang, ito ay may 'hoh' pakiramdam kung saan ito kumikislap lang.

I look down and I see the two-year-old totally under the water.

Tumingin ako sa ibaba at nakita ko ang dalawang taong gulang na nasa ilalim ng tubig.

Like, you know when a baby gets scared and they just open their arms?

Tulad ng, alam mo kapag ang isang sanggol ay natakot at ibinuka lamang nila ang kanilang mga armas?

If you've ever had a little baby, you know.

Kung mayroon kang isang maliit na sanggol, alam mo.

Eyes fully open like this.

Ang mga mata ay ganap na nakabukas tulad nito.

He had just slipped and fallen.

Nadulas lang siya at nahulog.

And maybe he was under the water for one second, two

At marahil siya ay nasa ilalim ng tubig ng isang segundo, dalawang

seconds, but it was total fear.

segundo, ngunit ito ay ganap na takot.

It took me a moment to be like, "what's happening?"

It took me a moment to be like, "anong nangyayari?"

and I just took him out and grabbed him.

at inilabas ko na lang siya at hinawakan.

But It's kind of that feeling of alertness, anxiety, then switch to

Ngunit Ito ay isang uri ng pakiramdam ng pagkaalerto, pagkabalisa, pagkatapos ay lumipat sa

fear, but it's adaptive, isn't it?

takot, ngunit ito ay umaangkop, hindi ba?

It helps us.

Nakakatulong ito sa amin.

Yeah.

Oo. Ito ay naroroon para sa isang dahilan.

It's there for a reason.

Your story reminds me of sitting in a rocking chair in my

Ang iyong kuwento ay nagpapaalala sa akin ng pag-upo sa isang tumba-tumba sa aking

conservatory with the doors shut.

konserbatoryo nang nakasara ang mga pinto.

It was a cold but sunny day and my two children were out in the garden playing

Ito ay isang malamig ngunit maaraw na araw at ang aking dalawang anak ay nasa labas ng hardin na naglalaro

and we had this big, very deep pond.

at mayroon kaming malaking, napakalalim na lawa.

And they know not to play close to the pond, but they were kind of slightly

At alam nilang hindi sila maglaro malapit sa lawa, ngunit medyo

out of sight and I was just sitting and as I got into my rocking chair with

nawala sila sa paningin at nakaupo lang ako at habang nakasakay ako sa aking tumba-tumba dala ang

my cup of tea, I thought to myself,

aking tasa ng tsaa, naisip ko sa aking sarili,

"If something happens and I have to jump up now, coming out of this rocking

"Kung may mangyari at ako Kailangang tumalon ngayon, ang pag-alis sa tumba-tumba na ito

chair is going to be quite difficult."

ay magiging mahirap."

And I had that thought so I'm watching, but they kind of just

And I had that thought so I'm watching, pero medyo

disappear behind, like a building that we have in the garden.

nawawala lang sila sa likod, parang building na meron kami sa garden.

And then I hear this huge splash and I hear my older son screaming, in a way that

At pagkatapos ay narinig ko ang napakalaking splash na ito at naririnig ko ang aking nakatatandang anak na lalaki na sumisigaw, sa paraang

just makes you know something's wrong.

nagpapaalam sa iyo na may mali.

You can tell by the tone of a child's voice that something is seriously up.

Malalaman mo sa tono ng boses ng isang bata na may seryosong nangyayari.

So, I just knew instantly Caspian, my youngest son, who was two at

Kaya, nalaman ko kaagad na

the time, had fallen into the pond.

nahulog sa lawa si Caspian, ang aking bunsong anak na lalaki, na dalawang taong gulang noon.

And so, I put my tea down because I'd already envisaged it.

At kaya, ibinaba ko ang aking tsaa dahil naisip ko na ito.

I'd already catastrophised about this.

Nasasaktan na ako tungkol dito.

So, I knew the first thing I had to do was put down the scalding

Kaya, alam kong ang unang bagay na kailangan kong gawin ay ilagay ang nakakapaso na

hot tea and then try and launch myself out of this rocking chair.

mainit na tsaa at pagkatapos ay subukan at ilunsad ang aking sarili sa tumba-tumba na ito.

Now I had socks on and it's a hard floor, tiled floor.

Ngayon ay naka-medyas ako at ito ay isang matigas na sahig, naka-tile na sahig.

And you know, when you see the cartoons, when someone's trying to run

At alam mo, kapag nakita mo ang mga cartoons, kapag ang isang tao ay sumusubok na tumakbo

and their legs are just slipping and their legs are just going around for

at ang kanilang mga binti ay dumudulas lamang at ang kanilang mga binti ay umiikot lamang ng

about three seconds, that was me just trying to run so fast that my legs

mga tatlong segundo, iyon ay sinusubukan ko lamang na tumakbo nang napakabilis na ang aking mga binti

were just going around and around in circles and I was making no progress.

ay umiikot lamang at paikot-ikot at wala akong pag-unlad.

I wasn't moving.

Hindi ako gumagalaw.

And then I fell.

At saka ako nahulog.

And I slipped and fell flat down on the floor, got up again, ran out, grabbed

At nadulas ako at bumagsak sa sahig, bumangon ulit, tumakbo palabas, hinawakan ang

my child and pulled him out of the pond.

anak ko at hinila palabas ng pond.

And he was fine.

At maayos naman siya.

He was a bit shocked and had a few scrapes and bruises, but he was fine.

Medyo nabigla siya at may mga kalmot at pasa, pero ayos lang.

I think that fear is there to make you act quickly.

Sa tingin ko, nandiyan ang takot para mabilis kang kumilos.

It sends the blood, the adrenaline to the places where it needs to be.

Nagpapadala ito ng dugo, ang adrenaline sa mga lugar kung saan ito kailangan.

It makes your brain fire quickly.

Ginagawa nitong mabilis ang iyong utak.

It makes you super strong, makes your limbs work.

Pinapalakas ka nito, pinapagana ang iyong mga paa.

And so fear is useful on those occasions, isn't it?

At kaya ang takot ay kapaki-pakinabang sa mga pagkakataong iyon, hindi ba?

Yeah, it definitely is.

Oo, ito talaga.

And fear is one of these emotions that has roots very, very deep, deep, deep

At ang takot ay isa sa mga emosyong ito na nag-ugat nang napaka, napakalalim, malalim, malalim

in our evolutionary psychology and physiology from the days that we were,

sa ating ebolusyonaryong sikolohiya at pisyolohiya mula noong tayo ay,

you know, hunting in a forest and had to run away from bears or lions, and

alam mo, nanghuhuli sa isang kagubatan at kinailangan mong tumakas mula sa mga oso o leon, at

you can kind of feel it because when you do have that fear, you, or when

ikaw. Maaari mo itong maramdaman dahil kapag mayroon kang ganoong takot, ikaw, o kapag

you respond in fear, you're extra fast.

tumugon ka sa takot, mas mabilis ka.

I mean, if you can get grip on the floor when you're trying to run,

Ibig kong sabihin, kung maaari kang makakuha ng mahigpit na pagkakahawak sa sahig kapag sinusubukan mong tumakbo,

but you are very quick and strong.

ngunit ikaw ay napakabilis at malakas.

But of course, it can be a problem if it turns into a phobia.

Ngunit siyempre, maaari itong maging isang problema kung ito ay magiging isang phobia.

Or if you're dealing with prolonged anxiety, it's just this

O kung ikaw ay nakikitungo sa matagal na pagkabalisa, ito ay

constant state of discomfort, which we know isn't good for us.

palagiang estado ng kakulangan sa ginhawa, na alam naming hindi mabuti para sa amin.

Yeah.

Our body isn't meant to take this kind of stress hormones

Oo.

Ang ating katawan ay hindi sinadya na kumuha ng ganitong uri ng mga stress hormone

long-term, it's not built for that.

nang pangmatagalan, hindi ito binuo para doon.

And so, it does have detrimental effects as well as effects on our

At sa gayon, mayroon itong masamang epekto pati na rin ang mga epekto sa ating

diet because we can't eat in the same way when we're stressed and anxious.

diyeta dahil hindi tayo makakain sa parehong paraan kapag tayo ay nai-stress at nababalisa.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

And our sleep, which we all also know is so important.

At ang aming pagtulog, na alam din nating lahat ay napakahalaga.

But what is a phobia?

Ngunit ano ang isang phobia?

So a phobia is like, it's usually focused on one thing, isn't it?

Kaya ang isang phobia ay parang, ito ay karaniwang nakatutok sa isang bagay, hindi ba?

Yeah.

A phobia.

Oo. Isang phobia.

I, myself, I don't think that I have any phobias, but my understanding of the

Ako, sa aking sarili, hindi ko iniisip na mayroon akong anumang mga phobia, ngunit ang aking pag-unawa sa

word phobia is like a very, very intense fear, and usually irrational, and just

salitang phobia ay tulad ng isang napaka, napakatinding takot, at kadalasang hindi makatwiran, at

like a very strong aversion to something.

tulad ng isang napakalakas na pag-ayaw sa isang bagay.

Do you have any phobias?

May phobia ka ba?

I don't, but I did.

Hindi, pero ginawa ko.

So, I had a couple of the typical phobias.

Kaya, nagkaroon ako ng ilang mga tipikal na phobias.

I used to have a severe phobia of needles.

Dati, may matinding phobia ako sa needles.

And so, whenever I had to have an injection, or blood

At kaya, sa tuwing kailangan kong magpa-injection, o

taken, I would be freaking out.

kumuha ng dugo, magugulat ako.

I'd get clammy palms, I'd be shaking, I'd feel sick.

Makakakuha ako ng malalamig na mga palad, manginig ako, masusuka ako.

And the thing that changed it for me was a psychological switch.

At ang bagay na nagpabago nito para sa akin ay isang sikolohikal na paglipat.

I remember seeing a documentary about a guy with leukemia.

Naalala kong nakakita ako ng isang dokumentaryo tungkol sa isang lalaking may leukemia.

He was only early twenties.

Early twenties pa lang siya.

When you are in need of blood when you need a blood donation

Kapag kailangan mo ng dugo kapag kailangan mo ng donasyon ng dugo

or a bone marrow donation.

o donasyon ng bone marrow.

It has to come obviously from your blood type.

Ito ay dapat na nanggaling nang malinaw sa iyong uri ng dugo.

And this guy was like, look, I need more people to come forward and donate

And this guy was like, look, I need more people to come forward and donate

blood to see if we can find a bone marrow donor for me cause I need a bone

blood to see if we can find a bone marrow donor for me cause I need a bone

marrow donation or I'm going to die.

marrow donation or I'm going to die.

And they were out on the street and trying to get people to donate blood saying,

At sila ay nasa labas sa kalye at sinusubukang himukin ang mga tao na mag-donate ng dugo na nagsasabing,

"could you just do a little blood test?

"pwede bang magsagawa ka lang ng kaunting pagsusuri sa dugo?

Would you think of donating blood?

Maiisip mo bang mag-donate ng dugo?

Can you help?"

Maaari ka bang tumulong?"

And people were saying "no" because they were scared of needles.

At ang mga tao ay nagsasabing "hindi" dahil sila ay natatakot sa mga karayom.

Hmm.

These people could potentially save this man's life, but they're scared of

Hmm. Ang mga taong ito ay maaaring makaligtas sa buhay ng lalaking ito, ngunit sila ay natatakot sa

needles, so they're not going to do it.

mga karayom, kaya hindi nila ito gagawin.

And that made me think how silly my fear of needles was when you can think of,

At iyon ang nagpaisip sa akin kung gaano katanga ang takot ko sa mga karayom ​​kapag naiisip mo,

like, the pros of me donating blood.

tulad ng, ang mga kalamangan ng pag-donate ko ng dugo.

How many people I could help if I donated blood?

Ilang tao ang matutulungan ko kung mag-donate ako ng dugo?

And actually, I have a slightly more rare blood type.

At sa totoo lang, medyo mas bihirang blood type ako.

I'm a B positive, which is about 15 per cent of the population.

Ako ay isang positibong B, na halos 15 porsiyento ng populasyon.

I'm also a B positive.

B positive din ako.

Are you?

We have so much in common!

Ikaw ba?

Marami tayong pagkakapareho!

We do!

ginagawa namin!

It's crazy!

Nakakabaliw!

So I think our blood type is about 15 per cent and we help

Kaya sa tingin ko ang uri ng ating dugo ay humigit-kumulang 15 porsiyento at tinutulungan natin

people with sickle cell anaemia.

ang mga taong may sickle cell anemia.

And so I started taking myself to donate blood and they're quite big

At kaya nagsimula akong kumuha ng aking sarili upang mag-donate ng dugo at ang mga ito ay medyo malalaking

needles they use for the blood donation.

karayom ​​na ginagamit nila para sa donasyon ng dugo.

And from that point on I'm now okay with needles.

And from that point on okay na ako sa needles.

I don't like them.

hindi ko sila gusto.

I don't think anyone does, but I'm okay.

Wala naman sigurong ginagawa pero okay lang ako.

Now, the other phobias are things like, fear of heights, fear of deep water.

Ngayon, ang iba pang mga phobia ay mga bagay tulad ng, takot sa taas, takot sa malalim na tubig.

So, I started climbing, I started scuba diving and dealt with those.

So, I started climbing, I started scuba diving and dealt with those.

It sounds like you do like exposure therapy where you like go to

Parang ginagawa mo ang exposure therapy kung saan gusto mong pumunta sa

the thing that makes you afraid and you do it often and okay.

bagay na nakakatakot at ginagawa mo ito nang madalas at okay.

The silliest fear I've ever had was a phobia of wet tea bags, used tea bags.

Ang pinakanakakatakot na takot na naranasan ko ay isang phobia sa mga basang tea bag, mga gamit na tea bag.

And this all comes from, I'm a tea drinker, I'm British, I love a cup of tea.

At ang lahat ng ito ay nagmumula, ako ay isang umiinom ng tsaa, ako ay British, mahilig ako sa isang tasa ng tsaa.

I was going to say, Anna, this is like, this has got to be the most British

Sasabihin ko, Anna, ito ay tulad ng, ito ay dapat na ang pinaka-British

thing I've ever heard in my life!

na bagay na narinig ko kailanman sa aking buhay!

Yeah.

Oo.

Yeah.

So, I had a bad dream one night that I was chewing on a wet teabag.

Oo.

Kaya, nanaginip ako isang gabi na ngumunguya ako ng basang teabag.

And even just saying that makes me feel a little bit queasy.

At kahit sabihin lang iyon ay medyo nahihilo na ako.

But I have this dream and sometimes in my dream, I don't know if you

Pero may ganitong panaginip ako at minsan sa panaginip ko, hindi ko alam kung

have this, I feel like I sense using other senses, so I feel like

meron ka nito, pakiramdam ko ay gumagamit ako ng ibang sentido, kaya parang

I can smell and taste in my dreams.

naaamoy at nalalasahan ko sa panaginip ko.

Wow, I don't have that.

Wow, wala ako niyan.

And I, it's very odd.

At ako, sobrang kakaiba.

I went through this period of having these bad dreams where there were

Dumaan ako sa panahong ito ng pagkakaroon ng masasamang panaginip kung saan may

things that had very strong tastes and smells like petrol and things, and I

mga bagay na may napakalakas na panlasa at amoy tulad ng petrolyo at mga bagay, at

was ingesting them and it really gave me an aversion to certain things.

nilamon ko ang mga ito at talagang nagbigay ito sa akin ng pag-ayaw sa ilang mga bagay.

So, I don't like being in a petrol station because of the smell, because I

Kaya ayun, ayoko ng nasa gasolinahan dahil sa amoy,

had a bad dream about drinking petrol.

napanaginipan ko kasi na uminom ng petrolyo.

It's very odd.

Ito ay napaka kakaiba.

But yeah, I dreamt about chewing on a wet teabag and it made me feel

Pero oo, nanaginip ako ng pagnguya ng basang teabag at naduduwal

really nauseous when I woke up.

talaga ako paggising ko.

And then the next time I saw a wet teabag, I was like,

And then the next time I saw a wet teabag, I was like,

"Oh my goodness me, get that out of my sight.

"Oh my goodness me, alisin mo 'yan sa paningin ko.

I can't look at it."

Hindi ako makatingin."

Every time I'd see it, it would make me feel sick to the point

Sa tuwing makikita ko ito, nasusuka ako hanggang sa

where my mouth was watering.

tumutulo ang aking bibig.

And this went on for months and months and months.

At ito ay nagpatuloy ng mga buwan at buwan at buwan.

I just couldn't look at or handle wet teabags.

Hindi ko lang magawang tingnan o hawakan ang mga basang teabags.

Other people had to make me tea and take the tea bag out of my cup.

Kinailangan akong gawan ng ibang tao ng tsaa at kinuha ang tea bag sa aking tasa.

Sometimes when you go to hotels or cafes, they would serve your tea, and

Minsan kapag pupunta ka sa mga hotel o cafe, ihahain nila ang iyong tsaa, at

we have tea with milk here, so you can't see the teabag in the cup because of

mayroon kaming tsaa na may gatas dito, kaya hindi mo makita ang teabag sa tasa dahil sa

the milk, but usually, the teabag is strained and taken out quite quickly.

gatas, ngunit kadalasan, ang teabag ay sinala at inilabas ng medyo mabilis.

But sometimes they serve it to you in hotels and cafes with the

Ngunit kung minsan ay inihahatid nila ito sa iyo sa mga hotel at cafe na may

teabag still in so you can have it at the strength you like.

nasa loob pa rin ng teabag para makuha mo ito sa lakas na gusto mo.

And if you ever go to take a sip of tea with a teabag still in there and you get

At kung sakaling humigop ka ng tsaa na may isang bag ng tsaa na nandoon at itinaas mo

it up against your lips if you are afraid of wet teabags, it's the worst thing.

ito sa iyong mga labi kung natatakot ka sa mga basang tsaa, ito ang pinakamasama.

It's the worst.

It's the worst thing ever.

Ito ang pinakamasama.

Ito ang pinakamasamang bagay kailanman.

The way I got over that was when I first moved to London, I was taking any job

The way I got over that was when I first moved to London, I was taking any job

going cause I just needed the money.

going because I just needed the money.

And I was working for an agency where they'd send you to different

At ako ay nagtatrabaho sa isang ahensya kung saan ka nila ipapadala sa iba't ibang

places doing like hosting work, waitressing work, welcoming work.

lugar tulad ng pagho-host, waitressing, at pagtanggap sa trabaho.

And I did one where I was a tea lady in like a solicitor's firm and I had to make

At ginawa ko ang isa kung saan ako ay isang tea lady sa tulad ng isang firm ng abogado at kailangan kong gawin

these huge vats of tea and then take away the old ones and empty them and there'd

itong malalaking vats ng tsaa at pagkatapos ay kunin ang mga luma at alisan ng laman ang mga ito at magkakaroon ng

be like 10 teabags in the bottom and...

parang 10 teabag sa ibaba at...

This is crazy!

Nakakabaliw ito!

...I'd have to empty them and take them out of the sink and I

...Kailangan kong alisan ng laman ang mga ito at alisin ang mga ito sa lababo at

just had to deal with my issue.

kailangan ko lang harapin ang aking isyu.

I'm okay now, but if anyone still, my partner sometimes teases me and

Okay na ako, pero kung meron man, minsan inaasar ako ng partner ko at

puts a wet teabag close to my face.

nilalagyan ng basang teabag malapit sa mukha ko.

I'm just like, just don't, just don't, just keep it away from me.

Ako na lang, wag na lang, wag na lang, ilayo mo na lang sa akin.

I would definitely...

I would definitely...

I mean, I wouldn't classify it maybe as a phobia, but it is a bit irrational.

I mean, I wouldn't classify it maybe as a phobia, but it is a bit irrational.

Yeah.

Oo.

I describe it as an irrational fear.

Inilalarawan ko ito bilang isang hindi makatwirang takot.

But for me, I think I have one thing that I don't like, and maybe this is common.

Ngunit para sa akin, sa palagay ko ay mayroon akong isang bagay na hindi ko gusto, at marahil ito ay karaniwan.

I know my sister has it.

Alam kong meron nito ang kapatid ko.

It's the drain of a pool.

Ito ay ang alisan ng tubig ng isang pool.

Okay.

Sige.

Right, okay.

Tama, okay.

So, when I go to the pool, I will avoid the lane where I'll

Kaya, kapag pumunta ako sa pool, iiwasan ko ang linya kung saan

have to swim over the drain.

kailangan kong lumangoy sa ibabaw ng kanal.

Oh, is that because you're worried about it sucking you in?

Oh, dahil ba iyon sa pag-aalala mo na sinisipsip ka nito?

I don't really know.

hindi ko talaga alam.

Have you seen the movie 'It'?

Napanood mo na ba ang pelikulang 'It'?

Yes.

Ahh I hated that moment!

Oo.

Ahh I hate that moment!

Okay, I think it comes from there.

Okay, sa tingin ko ito ay nanggaling doon.

So scary.

Nakakatakot kaya.

Yeah.

I think it comes from there.

Oo.

Doon na yata nanggaling.

Like I would never go and like touch a drain, but maybe that's normal.

Parang hinding-hindi ako pupunta at gustong humawak sa kanal, pero normal lang siguro iyon.

Like, does anyone want to touch a drain?

Like, may gustong humipo ng drain?

I don't know.

I don't know.

hindi ko alam.

hindi ko alam.

Isn't that crazy?

di ba baliw yun?

So 'It' scarred me as a child.

So 'It' scarred me as a child.

Okay.

Sige. Oo.

Yeah.

It scarred me.

Yeah.

Tinakot ako nito.

Oo.

Like I was afraid of letting the water out of the bath.

Para akong natatakot na mailabas ang tubig sa paliguan.

Really?

Talaga?

That sound of it going down.

Ang tunog ng pagbaba nito.

I was like, oh, that was terrifying.

Parang ako, oh, nakakatakot.

Yeah.

Oo.

Isn't it funny how a film, one story can have such a deep impact,

Hindi ba nakakatuwa kung paano ang isang pelikula, isang kuwento ay maaaring magkaroon ng ganoon kalalim na epekto,

long-lasting impact on you?

pangmatagalang epekto sa iyo?

That's also, I mean that is the power of stories.

Iyon din, ang ibig kong sabihin ay iyon ang kapangyarihan ng mga kuwento.

I know that you are a very gifted storyteller and you're a

Alam ko na isa kang napakagaling na storyteller at isa kang

trained storyteller and actress.

sanay na storyteller at artista.

And I love stories obviously, the podcast.

At mahilig ako sa mga kwento, ang podcast.

Yeah.

Oo.

But stories, they can mark our brains.

Ngunit ang mga kuwento, maaari nilang markahan ang ating mga utak.

We actually, when we're listening to a story that we're really into, that

Sa totoo lang, kapag nakikinig tayo ng kwento na talagang kinagigiliwan natin,

we're really feeling the emotions, it's just that, that, our brains use what's

talagang nararamdaman natin ang mga emosyon, kaya lang, iyon, ginagamit ng utak natin ang

called mirror neurons and we're mirroring the emotion happening in the story.

tinatawag na mirror neurons at sinasalamin natin ang emosyong nangyayari sa kwento.

So, if it's something scary, we can get so into a story that we

Kaya, kung ito ay isang bagay na nakakatakot, maaari tayong pumasok sa isang kuwento na

actually feel that we're there.

talagang nararamdaman natin na naroroon tayo.

And then that almost, it marks us, you know, when I think about that

At pagkatapos na halos, ito ay nagmamarka sa amin, alam mo, kapag iniisip ko ang

clown from 'It', I feel that fear.

clown na iyon mula sa 'It', nararamdaman ko ang takot na iyon.

Like I feel that feeling of total terror.

Para bang nararamdaman ko ang matinding takot.

Yeah.

Oo.

Anyways.

Anyways.

Yeah.

We don't watch horror films anymore.

Oo. Hindi na kami nanonood ng horror films.

My partner is just completely against horror films.

Tutol lang talaga ang partner ko sa mga horror films.

He's like, I don't want to feel scared.

Siya kasi, ayokong makaramdam ng takot.

There's enough going on in my life to worry about.

Sapat na ang nangyayari sa buhay ko para alalahanin.

I don't want to feel scared about something that's not necessary.

Ayokong matakot sa isang bagay na hindi naman kailangan.

So, for the time that we've been together, which is a long time now,

So, for the time that we've been together, which is matagal na,

we haven't watched a horror film.

hindi pa kami nakakapanood ng horror film.

And now I'm almost at the point where I'm scared to watch a horror film

At ngayon, halos nasa punto na ako na natatakot akong manood ng horror film

because it's been so long and I'd probably have to watch it on my own.

dahil napakatagal na at malamang ay kailangan kong panoorin ito nang mag-isa.

So yeah, we don't do horror films.

So yeah, hindi kami gumagawa ng horror films.

I used to love them when I was younger, until like 18, but now I

Minahal ko sila dati nung bata pa ako, hanggang 18, pero ngayon

can't watch them like I can't, I feel the same way, like why would I want

hindi ko na sila kayang panoorin na parang hindi ko kaya, ganun din ang nararamdaman ko, parang bakit gusto kong

to expose myself to feeling afraid when I have enough stress in my daily

ilantad ang sarili ko sa takot kung sapat na ang stress ko. sa pang-araw-araw kong

life, but I just don't enjoy them.

buhay, pero hindi ko lang sila na-enjoy.

Maybe it's something that comes with age, I'm not sure.

Siguro ito ay isang bagay na kasama ng edad, hindi ako sigurado.

Yeah, it's funny because when I was younger, I always wanted to watch

Oo, nakakatuwa dahil noong bata pa ako, gusto ko laging manood

something that either made me laugh out loud, cry, or feel scared.

ng isang bagay na maaaring magpatawa, umiyak, o matakot.

It's like this need to feel something, to feel a connection

Parang ito kailangan maramdaman ang isang bagay, para maramdaman ang koneksyon

with the story that I was watching.

sa kwentong pinapanood ko.

Okay, so a few other words that I would use when talking about fear, on the

Okay, kaya ang ilan pang mga salita na gagamitin ko kapag pinag-uusapan ang takot, sa

flip side of fear would be resilience.

kabilang panig ng takot ay katatagan.

So, building up that resilience, which is the capacity to recover or

Kaya, ang pagbuo ng katatagan na iyon, na kung saan ay ang kapasidad na makabawi o

to deal with these difficult times.

harapin ang mahihirap na oras na ito.

The resilience is like being tough, isn't it?

Ang tatag kasi parang matigas diba?

Yeah.

Oo.

I think of it like that, being tough, being able to deal with fear.

I think of it like that, pagiging matigas, kayang harapin ang takot.

Like a nice phrase is to be thick-skinned, which we use.

Tulad ng isang magandang parirala ay maging makapal ang balat, na ginagamit namin.

That's a good one.

It's like your skin is so thick, nothing can pierce it.

Iyan ay isang magandang. Parang ang kapal ng balat mo, walang mabubutas.

So, you can deal with hardship and attack.

Kaya, maaari mong harapin ang hirap at pag-atake.

I think when you work online, you certainly have to build up a level of

Sa palagay ko kapag nagtatrabaho ka online, tiyak na kailangan mong bumuo ng isang antas ng

resilience because you're putting yourself out there to be criticised and to be

katatagan dahil inilalagay mo ang iyong sarili doon upang punahin at hatulan

judged by complete strangers who have the ability to just say whatever they want.

ng mga ganap na estranghero na may kakayahang sabihin lamang ang anumang gusto nila.

Initially, I found that quite hurtful and difficult, because

Sa una, nakita ko na medyo masakit at mahirap, dahil

I was, I felt quite vulnerable.

ako, medyo mahina ang pakiramdam ko.

And that's it.

At ayun na nga.

That's another word that we'd use a lot around this subject is

Iyan ang isa pang salita na madalas naming gamitin sa paksang ito ay

vulnerability, to be vulnerable, which is that feeling of exposure.

ang kahinaan, ang pagiging mahina, na siyang pakiramdam ng pagkakalantad.

Did you ever feel vulnerable when you first came on online

Nakaramdam ka na ba ng kahinaan noong una kang pumasok sa online

and into the public forum?

at sa pampublikong forum?

Yes, I mean absolutely.

Oo, ang ibig kong sabihin ay ganap.

I am not a thick-skinned person.

Hindi ako makapal ang balat.

I'm certainly more thick-skinned.

Siguradong mas makapal ang balat ko.

I'm more resilient now than I than I first was.

Mas matatag na ako ngayon kaysa sa una.

I remember before I came online but I was just working, me and my husband

Naalala ko bago ako mag-online pero nagtatrabaho lang ako,

have an academy and we opened it first as a physical brick-and-mortar space.

may academy kami ng asawa ko at binuksan muna namin ito bilang physical brick-and-mortar space.

It was an actual academy and I remember this feeling of wanting everyone to be

Ito ay isang aktwal na akademya at naaalala ko ang pakiramdam na ito na nais na maging

happy and wanting to give their best.

masaya ang lahat at nais na ibigay ang kanilang makakaya.

A woman came in, she was a mother, and I had initially told her that

Pumasok ang isang babae, siya ay isang ina, at sinabi ko sa kanya noong una na

we had a class for her two sons.

may klase kami para sa kanyang dalawang anak na lalaki.

I remember very well.

Naaalala ko nang husto.

She had thick, short, curly, black hair.

Siya ay may makapal, maikli, kulot, itim na buhok.

Very black.

Napakaitim.

And she came in and I had to tell her, actually we don't have

And she came in and I had to tell her, actually wala naman kaming

a class in the end, we couldn't put together a group, whatever.

klase in the end, we could not put together a group, whatever.

She really yelled at me.

Sinigawan niya talaga ako.

Really, really, really yelled at me.

Talagang, talagang, talagang sinigawan ako.

And I felt so vulnerable and so attacked, that actually to

And I felt so vulnerable and so attacked, that actually to

this day, I have an aversion.

this day, I have an aversion.

I do not like curly, dark-haired women.

Hindi ko gusto ang mga babaeng kulot at maitim ang buhok.

They make me afraid, yes.

Tinatakot nila ako, oo.

I think they're going to be mean, and it's just this crazy thing.

Sa tingin ko sila ay magiging masama, at ito ay isang baliw na bagay.

But no, I'm definitely someone who, I like podcasting,

Ngunit hindi, tiyak na ako ay isang taong, gusto ko ang podcasting,

because it feels less exposure.

dahil hindi gaanong exposure.

I'm not one to feel very comfortable being out on social media and YouTube.

Hindi ako masyadong komportable na lumabas sa social media at YouTube.

I am doing it a little bit more now, but it can be, feel scary to have

Ginagawa ko ito ng kaunti pa ngayon, ngunit maaaring, nakakatakot na malaman

you know, yourself out there for people to say whatever they wish.

mo, ang iyong sarili sa labas para sa mga tao na sabihin ang anumang nais nila.

But I think the way that I kind of deal with it now is just not really reading

Ngunit sa palagay ko ang paraan ng pakikitungo ko dito ngayon ay hindi lang talaga nagbabasa

anything, not really looking at things.

ng kahit ano, hindi talaga tumitingin sa mga bagay.

But I know for you because the story that you told on my podcast

Ngunit alam ko para sa iyo dahil ang kuwento na sinabi mo sa aking podcast

is about singing, you describe this moment at one point where you felt

ay tungkol sa pagkanta, inilarawan mo ang sandaling ito sa isang punto kung saan naramdaman mo

like maybe your voice wasn't great.

na marahil ang iyong boses ay hindi maganda.

And then someone told you something that confirmed that.

At pagkatapos ay may nagsabi sa iyo ng isang bagay na nagpapatunay na iyon.

And isn't that kind of funny that a lot of us are very afraid of using

At hindi ba't nakakatuwa ang marami sa atin na labis na natatakot na gamitin

our voices, specifically singing?

ang ating mga boses, partikular sa pagkanta?

Why do you think that is that we feel so exposed to sing or use our voice

Sa palagay mo, bakit ganoon na lang ang pakiramdam natin sa pagkanta o paggamit ng ating boses

in front of people, public speaking, for example, or singing specifically?

sa harap ng mga tao, pagsasalita sa publiko, halimbawa, o partikular na pagkanta?

Go ahead, sorry.

Sige na, pasensya na.

With singing specifically, there's a science behind it.

Sa partikular na pagkanta, may agham sa likod nito.

When we cry, our larynx tilts forward into what we call the cry position.

Kapag tayo ay umiiyak, ang ating larynx ay tumatagilid pasulong sa tinatawag nating cry position.

In tilting forward, it stretches our vocal folds.

Sa pagkiling pasulong, iniuunat nito ang ating vocal folds.

So, when our vocal folds are stretched, they sound like this.

Kaya, kapag ang aming mga vocal folds ay naunat, ang mga ito ay tunog.

So, when people cry, it's because their larynx is tilting and stretching.

Kaya, kapag ang mga tao ay umiiyak, ito ay dahil ang kanilang larynx ay tumatagilid at lumalawak.

And so when we cry, we tend to talk like this, and that's the same position

At kaya kapag umiiyak tayo, madalas tayong magsalita ng ganito, at ganoon din ang posisyon

that you are in for the majority of singing, what we call legit singing.

mo para sa karamihan ng pagkanta, ang tinatawag nating legit na pagkanta.

So, when we sing, we sing like this, and that's the same as when we cry.

Kaya, kapag kumakanta tayo, kumakanta tayo ng ganito, at ganoon din ang pag-iyak natin.

Okay.

Sige.

So, that tilt is the same position.

Kaya, ang pagtabingi na iyon ay ang parehong posisyon.

I've often been in a room when I'm teaching singing or when I'm with

Madalas akong nasa isang silid kapag nagtuturo ako ng pagkanta o kapag kasama ko

other singers in a very like exposed class and they have to get up and

ang ibang mga mang-aawit sa isang napaka-like na exposed na klase at kailangan nilang bumangon at

sing something they feel uncomfortable with and they're not used to singing.

kumanta ng isang bagay na hindi sila komportable at hindi sila sanay sa pagkanta.

You see people cry, they get up and they really work on this tilt

Nakikita mo ang mga tao na umiiyak, sila ay bumangon at talagang ginagawa nila ang

position and they just start crying.

posisyong ito ng pagtabingi at nagsimula silang umiyak.

And if you ask them why they're crying, they'll say, I don't know.

At kung tatanungin mo sila kung bakit sila umiiyak, sasabihin nila, hindi ko alam.

And the thing is, if you smile, you tell your body in some

And the thing is, kung ngumiti ka, sasabihin mo sa katawan mo in some

way, I'm smiling, I'm happy.

way, nakangiti ako, masaya ako.

That's why people are told, even if you don't feel happy, smile because

Kaya nga sinasabi sa mga tao, kahit hindi ka masaya, ngumiti ka dahil

you're telling your brain, "we're happy, let's release happy hormones".

sinasabi mo sa utak mo, "masaya tayo, maglabas tayo ng happy hormones".

And it's the same for tilting your larynx.

At ito ay pareho para sa pagkiling ng iyong larynx.

You tilt your larynx and you start to feel sad, you tell your

Ikiling mo ang iyong larynx at nagsimula kang malungkot, sasabihin mo sa iyong

brain, oh, we're, we're crying.

utak, oh, kami, umiiyak kami.

We're upset.

We're crying.

Nagalit kami.

Umiiyak kami.

Let's send tears.

Padalhan natin ng luha.

Let's send all those things that we normally send for crying.

Ipadala natin ang lahat ng mga bagay na karaniwan nating ipinapadala para sa pag-iyak.

And feeling vulnerable perhaps, aswell.

At feeling vulnerable siguro, aswell.

And feeling vulnerable.

At pakiramdam na mahina.

So, we feel in the same position as we would if we were crying.

Kaya, nararamdaman namin ang parehong posisyon tulad ng kung kami ay umiiyak.

And so, that's a part of it is that putting your voice into that tilt

At kaya, bahagi nito ay ang paglalagay ng iyong boses sa

position, which we wouldn't normally do.

posisyong iyon, na hindi namin karaniwang ginagawa.

It's like people feel afraid to actually, adults not children,

Parang takot ang mga tao na actually, matatanda hindi bata,

feel afraid to scream and shout.

takot sumigaw at sumigaw.

I know this because of being with actors who are generally quite confident

Alam ko ito dahil sa pagiging kasama ng mga aktor na sa pangkalahatan ay medyo may kumpiyansa

people willing to try anything and doing scream workshops and people

na mga taong handang sumubok ng kahit ano at gumagawa ng mga scream workshop at ang mga taong

being scared to actually scream.

natatakot na talagang sumigaw.

It's because it's normally something we do when we're in a very

Ito ay dahil ito ay karaniwang isang bagay na ginagawa natin kapag tayo ay nasa isang

heightened, frightening situation.

napakataas, nakakatakot na sitwasyon.

So, being asked to scream just randomly is quite a big thing to ask someone to do.

Kaya, ang hinihiling na sumigaw nang random ay isang malaking bagay na hilingin sa isang tao na gawin.

It's like, well, I'm not in that mode.

Parang wala ako sa ganyang mode.

I'm not fearful at the moment.

Hindi ako natatakot sa ngayon.

And also I think, you know, just raising your voice, singing out loud, you're

And also I think, you know, just raising your voice, singing out loud, you're

both putting yourself out to be judged because we all love to listen to a singer.

both putting yourself out to be judged because we all love to listen to a singer.

So we're being judged, but also you're just making yourself heard.

Kaya kami ay hinuhusgahan, ngunit ginagawa mo lamang ang iyong sarili na marinig.

It's making yourself big.

Pinapalaki nito ang iyong sarili.

Yeah, mm-hmm.

Oo, mm-hmm.

And for many people that doesn't come naturally.

At para sa maraming tao na hindi natural.

Most of us just want to fit in.

Karamihan sa atin ay gusto lang makibagay.

Yeah, to fit in, to be safe.

Oo, para magkasya, para maging ligtas.

And all of these things come back, I think, to fear, really,

At ang lahat ng mga bagay na ito ay bumalik, sa palagay ko, upang matakot, talaga,

of this evolutionary kind of mechanism of wanting to be safe

sa ebolusyonaryong uri ng mekanismong ito ng pagnanais na maging ligtas

in our cave, away from the bears.

sa ating kuweba, malayo sa mga oso.

This thing that you said about screaming or raising your

Ang bagay na ito na sinabi mo tungkol sa pagsigaw o pagtaas ng iyong

voice, I have this in yoga.

boses, mayroon akong ito sa yoga.

This feeling as well of when you do the 'ohm', at first it was very hard because

Ang pakiramdam na ito pati na rin kapag ginawa mo ang 'ohm', sa una ay napakahirap dahil

it's kind of like raising your voice and singing and it has to be very consistent.

ito ay tulad ng pagtaas ng iyong boses at pagkanta at dapat itong maging pare-pareho.

Yeah.

And never...

Oo.

At hindi kailanman...

So you're talking about when they ask you to make a constant 'ohm'.

Kaya pinag-uusapan mo kapag hiniling ka nilang gumawa ng isang pare-parehong 'ohm'.

'Ohm' and then dragging it out all the way until the end.

'Ohm' at pagkatapos ay hilahin ito palabas hanggang sa huli.

And you can kind of get the feeling for other people in the classroom,

At medyo makukuha mo ang pakiramdam para sa ibang mga tao sa silid-aralan,

the kind of type of person they are.

ang uri ng tao na sila.

I mean, some people like really 'ohm' and wow, they're really full and

I mean, some people like really 'ohm' and wow, they're really full and

present in their body and they're comfortable in their space and other

present in their body and they're comfortable in their space and other

people who can't make that sound.

people who can't make that sound.

And it's kind of hard to raise your voice up over others and say, this is my voice.

At medyo mahirap itaas ang boses mo sa iba at sabihing, boses ko ito.

This is who I am.

Ito ako.

You feel very exposed.

Masyado kang exposed.

Mm-hmm, you reminded me of being a child and I'd go to church and people would

Mm-hmm, pinaalala mo sa akin ang pagiging bata ko at pupunta ako sa simbahan at ang mga tao ay

be singing in church, you know, that the organ would start up and you get some

kumakanta sa simbahan, alam mo, na ang organ ay magsisimula at may ilang

people going, "de dee da dee da do".

mga tao na pupunta, "de dee da dee da do" .

Was that you?

Ikaw ba iyon?

I did it.

Nagawa ko.

I've always enjoyed choral singing.

Palagi akong nag-e-enjoy sa choral singing.

Often I wouldn't know the tune, you know, 'cause they have all

Kadalasan ay hindi ko alam ang tune, alam mo, dahil mayroon silang lahat

these, I dunno, hymns and things that some people know very well.

ng ito, hindi ko alam, mga himno at mga bagay na alam na alam ng ilang tao.

I didn't.

hindi ko ginawa.

So, I'd just be kind of singing along, hoping to get the right tune.

Kaya, gusto ko na lang kumanta kasama, umaasa na makuha ang tamang tune.

But you would always have the people at the front singing

Ngunit palagi mong pinapakanta nang malakas ang mga nasa unahan

really loudly and going for it.

at hinahangad ito.

And you're like, wow.

At parang ikaw, wow.

And then you had to have the timid people who were just moving their lips and

At pagkatapos ay kailangan mong magkaroon ng mga taong mahiyain na gumagalaw lang ang kanilang mga labi at

there's nothing coming out of their mouth.

walang lumalabas sa kanilang mga bibig.

And you're like, hang on a minute, are you singing?

And you're like, wait on a minute, kumakanta ka ba?

Or are you miming?

O nagmiming ka?

Exactly.

Eksakto.

But that brings me to think of another word that's quite interesting.

Ngunit nagdudulot ito sa akin na mag-isip ng isa pang salita na medyo kawili-wili.

It's the word to overcome, to overcome something.

Ito ay ang salita upang pagtagumpayan, upang pagtagumpayan ang isang bagay.

The reason I think this is interesting is to overcome something

Ang dahilan kung bakit sa tingin ko ito ay kawili-wili ay upang pagtagumpayan ang isang bagay

is to succeed in dealing with it.

ay upang magtagumpay sa pagharap dito.

So, if you have a fear or a phobia and you face it, you confront it.

Kaya, kung mayroon kang takot o phobia at harapin mo ito, harapin mo ito.

So, you go and deal with it.

Kaya, pumunta ka at harapin ito.

Then you have overcome that fear.

Pagkatapos ay napagtagumpayan mo ang takot na iyon.

You've literally jumped over it.

Literal na nilampasan mo ito.

You've overcome that hurdle.

Nalampasan mo ang hadlang na iyon.

But then there's another phrase to be overcome by an emotional,

Ngunit pagkatapos ay mayroong isa pang parirala na madaig ng isang emosyonal,

to be overcome by something.

upang madaig ng isang bagay.

And that's different.

At iba iyon.

That's almost to have to surrender to something.

Iyon ay halos kailangang sumuko sa isang bagay.

So, you could say I was overcome with anxiety or I was overcome with joy.

Kaya, maaari mong sabihin na ako ay dinaig sa pagkabalisa o ako ay dinaig sa kagalakan.

So, it's usually to do with emotions, isn't it?

So, kadalasan ay may kinalaman ito sa emosyon, di ba?

Yeah.

It's a common collocation, to be overcome with joy.

Oo. Ito ay isang karaniwang kolokasyon, upang madaig ng kagalakan.

Yeah.

Oo.

That you, exactly like you said, you surrender to it.

Na ikaw, eksakto tulad ng sinabi mo, sumuko ka dito.

Yeah.

Oo.

It's like a wave of emotion and you just go, I'm not going to fight this.

Parang alon ng emosyon at pumunta ka lang, hindi ko ito lalabanan.

I'm just going to let it just take me.

Hahayaan ko na lang na kunin ako nito.

It's just so overwhelming.

Sobrang overwhelming lang.

I can't deal with it.

Hindi ko ito kayang harapin.

I'm overcome with it.

Daig ako nito.

But you overcome your problems, but emotions can overcome you.

Ngunit nalampasan mo ang iyong mga problema, ngunit ang mga emosyon ay maaaring madaig ka.

Well, I have a thing that I've been trying to overcome, and

Well, mayroon akong isang bagay na sinusubukan kong pagtagumpayan, at

it's actually a wave, literally.

ito ay talagang isang alon, literal.

Right.

It's, yes, I have a fear of surfing.

Tama.

Ito ay, oo, mayroon akong takot sa pag-surf.

Ah.

Now, it's not like something I would describe as a fear.

Ah. Ngayon, hindi ito tulad ng isang bagay na ilalarawan ko bilang isang takot.

When I think about surfing, I would love to be able to do it better and

Kapag iniisip ko ang tungkol sa surfing, gusto kong magawa ito nang mas mahusay at

more often, but when I get to the space of surfing, my body takes over.

mas madalas, ngunit kapag nakarating na ako sa espasyo ng surfing, ang aking katawan ang pumalit.

You know, my amygdala, that animal brain back here, it takes over and I

Alam mo, ang aking amygdala, ang utak ng hayop na iyon sa likod, ito ay tumatagal at

don't get as much blood to my frontal cortex, which is more about planning

hindi ako nakakakuha ng maraming dugo sa aking frontal cortex, na higit pa sa pagpaplano

and thinking and rational thought.

at pag-iisip at rational na pag-iisip.

Now, just a little bit of context.

Ngayon, kaunting konteksto lang.

My husband is a surfer.

Ang aking asawa ay isang surfer.

It's his love, his joy, his passion.

Ito ay ang kanyang pag-ibig, ang kanyang kagalakan, ang kanyang pagnanasa.

Something that he cannot live without.

Isang bagay na hindi niya mabubuhay kung wala.

That's why we live in Spain on the coast and not in central Canada because

Kaya nga kami nakatira sa Spain sa baybayin at hindi sa central Canada dahil

he would just die if I took him there.

mamamatay lang siya kapag dinala ko siya doon.

And when I met him, I had gone surfing a few times back home in

At nang makilala ko siya, ilang beses na akong nag-surf sa bahay sa

Canada and also in Portugal, and it's something I really loved.

Canada at pati na rin sa Portugal, at ito ay isang bagay na talagang minahal ko.

I love swimming.

Mahal ko ang paglalangoy.

I'm a very strong swimmer.

Ako ay isang napakalakas na manlalangoy.

I love being in the sea, in the ocean.

Gustung-gusto kong nasa dagat, sa karagatan.

It just seemed like something we could do together, you know, when

Parang may magagawa tayo nang magkasama, alam mo, noong

you first meet someone, in love, and you picture your future together.

una mong makilala ang isang tao, nagmamahalan, at na-picture mo ang iyong kinabukasan na magkasama.

We would surf, and we'd be together, and the reality was different because

We would surf, and we'd be together, and the reality was different kasi

something happened that I can't describe is that I just got really scared.

may nangyari na hindi ko ma-describe na natakot lang talaga ako.

And I tried a lot.

At marami akong sinubukan.

So, for the first seven years of our relationship together, before we had

So, for the first seven years of our relationship together, before we had

kids, I would really try to keep up with him, to keep at the same pace.

kids, I would really try to keep up with him, to keep at the same pace.

Now, he's like a very good surfer and I'm not a good surfer, but I

Ngayon, para siyang napakagaling na surfer at hindi ako magaling na surfer, pero

can get on a board and take a wave.

kaya kong sumakay at sumakay ng alon.

And, we would go on small waves here in the Mediterranean.

At, pupunta kami sa maliliit na alon dito sa Mediterranean.

We would go to big waves in Indonesia.

Pupunta kami sa malalaking alon sa Indonesia.

One of the biggest waves that I went on was in Similu, which is

Ang isa sa pinakamalalaking alon na dinaanan ko ay nasa Similu, na

off of the north coast of Sumatra.

nasa labas ng hilagang baybayin ng Sumatra.

And, I would kind of do what you did, this exposure type therapy, like going

At, gagawin ko kung ano ang ginawa mo, ang ganitong uri ng exposure therapy, tulad ng pagpunta

a little bit each time, but not pushing myself to the point where I got afraid.

ng kaunti sa bawat oras, ngunit hindi itulak ang aking sarili sa punto kung saan ako ay natatakot.

And then at a certain point I kind of just was overcome by the fear and I

And then at a certain point medyo na-overcome na lang ako sa takot at

just stopped and I haven't been back in the water since my second was born.

tumigil na lang ako at hindi na ako nakabalik sa tubig simula nang ipanganak ang pangalawa ko.

And now when I think about it, my husband will say,

At ngayon kapag naiisip ko ito, sasabihin ng asawa ko,

"Oh, today's the perfect day for you.

"Oh, today's the perfect day for you.

Like, let's go to the beach all together and you go and I'll stay with the kids."

Like, let's go to the beach all together and you go and I'll stay with the kids."

And I'm like,

"No, no, no, no, no, no.

And I'm like,

"No, no, no, no, no, no.

I don't want, like, don't even ask me."

Ayoko, parang, wag mo na akong tanungin."

Like the feeling of being able to go and then not doing it, even though I

Parang yung feeling na nakakapunta tapos hindi ginagawa, kahit alam kong

know I want to do it makes me angry.

gusto kong gawin nagagalit ako.

So, I just avoid it altogether.

So, iniiwasan ko na lang.

Total avoidance.

Kabuuang pag-iwas.

So, that's really sad.

So, nakakalungkot talaga.

I feel really sad for you that you've lost that ability to face that.

Nalulungkot talaga ako para sa iyo na nawalan ka ng kakayahang harapin iyon.

Do you think that if your partner was able to say,

Sa tingin mo ba kung nasabi ng iyong kapareha,

"Hey, let's go out together."

"Hoy, sabay na tayong lumabas."

If someone else was looking after the kids, do you think that would

Kung may ibang nag-aalaga sa mga bata, sa palagay mo ba ay

be an opportunity that you take if you weren't going out on your own?

isang pagkakataon iyon na gagawin mo kung hindi ka lalabas nang mag-isa?

Yes, probably.

Oo, malamang.

Because I'm more comfortable.

Dahil mas komportable ako.

It would be a way to start again.

Ito ay magiging isang paraan upang magsimulang muli.

Because when you're surfing, there's a lot of variables.

Kasi kapag nagsu-surf ka, maraming variables.

There's...

May...

Sharks.

Pating.

There are no sharks here, but just thinking about the waves here, you know,

Walang mga pating dito, pero iniisip lang ang mga alon dito, alam mo,

in the Mediterranean, the waves are small, usually, unless there's a huge storm.

sa Mediterranean, ang mga alon ay maliit, kadalasan, maliban kung mayroong isang malaking bagyo.

But there's a lot of surfers.

Ngunit mayroong maraming mga surfers.

So, the few waves that are here, there's a lot of surfers.

So, ang iilang alon na nandito, ang daming surfers.

So, there's that element of worrying about, maybe it's something

So, there's that element of worrying about, maybe it's something

similar to this thing of singing.

similar to this thing of singing.

Like, I don't want to get in the way of real surfers doing their thing, you know?

Tulad ng, hindi ko nais na makahadlang sa mga tunay na surfers na ginagawa ang kanilang bagay, alam mo ba?

The idea of having your board and going under, duck diving under waves, the

Ang ideya ng pagkakaroon ng iyong board at pagpunta sa ilalim, duck diving sa ilalim ng alon, ang

feeling of losing control of my board and it hitting me or hitting someone else.

pakiramdam ng pagkawala ng kontrol sa aking board at ito ay natamaan ako o natamaan ang ibang tao.

But if I went with my husband, he could maybe like, help me, you know,

Pero kung sumama ako sa asawa ko, baka magustuhan niya, tulungan mo ako, alam mo,

like push me into the wave, like do things that he did when I was a total

tulad ng push me into the wave, like do things na ginawa niya noong total

beginner and I could kind of start again.

beginner pa ako at kaya kong magsimulang muli.

I don't know.

I think that would maybe be an option.

hindi ko alam.

Sa tingin ko iyon ay maaaring maging isang pagpipilian.

Maybe that's a good idea to go with some friends and they can watch the kids.

Marahil ay isang magandang ideya na sumama sa ilang mga kaibigan at maaari nilang panoorin ang mga bata.

Yeah.

Oo.

Yeah.

Or maybe switch to paddle boarding or something that maybe is better suited.

Oo.

O baka lumipat sa paddle boarding o isang bagay na maaaring mas angkop.

Yeah.

No, I do paddle boarding all the time, but yeah.

Oo. Hindi, palagi akong nag-paddle boarding, pero oo.

Yeah, I think as we get older and I think when you become a parent,

Oo, sa palagay ko habang tumatanda tayo at sa tingin ko kapag naging magulang ka,

there definitely is this like level of caution that's introduced

tiyak na mayroong ganitong antas ng pag-iingat na ipinakilala

that maybe you didn't have before.

na marahil ay wala ka noon.

I'm much more cautious now than I ever have been, and maybe a little bit more

Mas maingat na ako ngayon kaysa dati, at marahil ay mas

fearful of things there than I would have been before having children.

natatakot ako sa mga bagay doon kaysa sa nangyari bago ako magkaanak.

I think you just become more aware of your own mortality once you have kids.

Sa palagay ko, mas nababatid mo na ang sarili mong pagkamatay kapag mayroon kang mga anak.

Definitely.

Siguradong.

I remember when my first was born that was strangely an overcoming

Naaalala ko noong isinilang ang aking panganay na kakaibang

feeling of my own mortality.

pakiramdam ng aking sariling pagkamatay.

But almost a relief in the sense that I felt at that point, I still feel like,

But almost a relief in the sense that I felt at that point, I still feel like,

okay, now I don't have to worry so much about my mortality because I don't matter.

okay, now I don't have to worry so much about my mortality because I don't matter.

I want him to be okay, you know?

Gusto kong maging okay siya, alam mo ba?

Yeah.

What you said reminds me of my sister.

Oo.

Ang sinabi mo ay nagpapaalala sa aking kapatid.

I have two sisters.

Mayroon akong dalawang kapatid na babae.

I'm the youngest, but the middle one, she's the bravest person I know.

Ako ang pinakabata, pero ang nasa gitna, siya ang pinakamatapang na taong kilala ko.

She is like fearless.

Para siyang walang takot.

All sorts of crazy things.

Lahat ng uri ng kabaliwan.

She has twins and she drove, well, this is only like very brave if

Siya ay may kambal at siya ay nagmaneho, mabuti, ito ay tulad lamang ng napakatapang kung

you're a parent, but she drove her two five-year-old twins in a van, with a

ikaw ay isang magulang, ngunit siya ay nagmaneho ng kanyang dalawang limang taong gulang na kambal sa isang van, na may

trailer, from Calgary, Canada, down to St.

trailer, mula Calgary, Canada, pababa sa St.

Louis, where she lives.

Louis, kung saan siya nakatira.

That's like 30 hours.

Parang 30 hours yun.

Oh, my goodness me.

Oh, aking kabutihan.

With twins!

Kasama ang kambal!

Anyways, skydiving, doing all sorts of things, but she told a story on the

Anyways, skydiving, paggawa ng lahat ng uri ng mga bagay, ngunit nagkuwento siya sa

podcast, where she does deep sea diving, and totally, not prepared, like she was

podcast, kung saan siya ay nag-deep sea diving, at ganap, hindi handa, na parang siya ay

a diver, but she didn't check her second oxygen tank, she, all sorts of things.

isang maninisid, ngunit hindi niya tiningnan ang kanyang pangalawang tangke ng oxygen, , lahat ng uri ng mga bagay.

She runs out of oxygen, it's a huge problem.

Nauubusan siya ng oxygen, napakalaking problema.

In any case, at the end, I say like, so Andrea, what's the moral of the story?

Sa anumang kaso, sa dulo, sinasabi ko, kaya Andrea, ano ang moral ng kuwento?

She's like,

"Well, now that I'm a parent, I'm more cautious."

Siya ay tulad ng,

"Buweno, ngayon na ako ay isang magulang, ako ay mas maingat."

And that really is what it took for her to become more cautious and not

At iyon talaga ang kinailangan niya upang maging mas maingat at hindi

so brave in terms of doing scary, fearful things was to have children.

gaanong matapang sa mga tuntunin ng paggawa ng nakakatakot, nakakatakot na mga bagay ay ang magkaroon ng mga anak.

But now that she's a parent, she does these things like drive 30

Ngunit ngayong isa na siyang magulang, ginagawa niya ang mga bagay na ito tulad ng pagmamaneho ng 30

hours with her five-year-olds.

oras kasama ang kanyang limang taong gulang.

She does like brave mom things.

Gusto niya ang mga bagay na matapang na ina.

I'm often inspired by other parents who are just seemingly coping, doing

Madalas akong na-inspire sa ibang mga magulang na parang kinakaya lang, gumagawa

things that I think are too difficult.

ng mga bagay na sa tingin ko ay napakahirap.

It's like, well, if you can do it, then I can do it.

Parang, well, kung kaya mo, kaya ko.

Yeah, that's definitely something that one of my fears would be that

Oo, siguradong iyon ang isa sa mga kinatatakutan ko na

I couldn't handle my own children.

hindi ko mahawakan ang sarili kong mga anak.

So, I always try to do things that feel difficult and, you know, taking

Kaya, palagi kong sinusubukan na gawin ang mga bagay na mahirap at, alam mo, dalhin

them to the pool alone, or just, you know, things that I feel are

sila sa pool nang mag-isa, o basta, alam mo, ang mga bagay na sa tingin ko ay

difficult to show that I can handle them, you know, I can deal with it.

mahirap ipakita na kakayanin ko, alam mo, kakayanin ko. ito.

And not being so afraid of what other people think, because often

At hindi masyadong natatakot sa iniisip ng ibang tao, dahil madalas

when we're out there, I look like chaotic and crazy and I'd be like,

kapag nasa labas kami, para akong magulo at baliw at parang,

well, that's just the way it is.

well, ganyan lang talaga.

That's my life right now.

Yan ang buhay ko ngayon.

And there are children and I'm just, you know, making sure that they're alive.

At may mga bata at sinisigurado ko lang na buhay sila.

That's my standard at the current time.

Yan ang standard ko sa kasalukuyang panahon.

Yeah, I was in the pool not long ago and I often struggle with my two

Oo, nasa pool ako kanina at madalas akong nakikipagpunyagi sa aking dalawang

boys, similar age to yours, and I often struggle if I'm alone with them.

anak na lalaki, katulad ng edad mo, at madalas akong nahihirapan kung mag-isa ako sa kanila.

I'm very mild-mannered and I like things to be very minimal and

Ako ay napaka banayad at gusto ko ang mga bagay na napakaliit at

controlled and my children are loud and they are just like whirlwinds and

kontrolado at ang aking mga anak ay maingay at sila ay parang mga ipoipo at

so, they are completely opposite to me and how I like to live my life.

sa gayon, sila ay ganap na kabaligtaran sa akin at kung paano ko gustong mabuhay ang aking buhay.

So, they really test me all the time.

Kaya, talagang sinusubok nila ako sa lahat ng oras.

And I struggle like, you know, you talk about taking them swimming and I

At nahihirapan ako tulad ng, alam mo, pinag-uusapan mo ang tungkol sa pag-swimming sa kanila at

know how hard it is to take two young children swimming when you're on your

alam ko kung gaano kahirap ang kumuha ng dalawang maliliit na bata na lumangoy kapag ikaw ay

own and the coping, the logistics of everything and keeping them alive.

mag-isa at ang pagkaya, ang logistik ng lahat at pinapanatili silang buhay.

And then I was sitting in the little hot tub at the end of our swimming

At pagkatapos ay nakaupo ako sa maliit na hot tub sa dulo ng aming swimming

pool and this lady gets in and then her children all start piling in

pool at ang babaeng ito ay nakapasok at pagkatapos ay ang kanyang mga anak ay nagsimulang magtambak

and she had three sets of twins.

at mayroon siyang tatlong set ng kambal.

And she's on her own.

At siya ay nag-iisa.

She's got six kids.

Siya ay may anim na anak.

I don't know if she's alone in life, but she was on her own in the pool and they

Hindi ko alam kung nag-iisa siya sa buhay, ngunit siya ay nag-iisa sa pool at

probably ranged from about 12 down to six.

malamang na mula sa 12 hanggang anim.

And so, six children.

At kaya, anim na anak.

And I just looked at them all and she seemed so relaxed and

At tinignan ko lang silang lahat and she seemed so relaxed and

I was like, this is amazing.

I was like, this is amazing.

I would love to have a huge family.

Gusto kong magkaroon ng malaking pamilya.

It's not on the cards for us, but I would love to have a big family like that.

Wala ito sa mga card para sa amin, ngunit gusto kong magkaroon ng isang malaking pamilya na tulad nito.

And I thought, but it must be a nightmare for her.

At naisip ko, ngunit ito ay dapat na isang bangungot para sa kanya.

And then I saw her in the changing rooms, just kind of standing guard while she was

And then I saw her in the changing rooms, just kind of standing guard while she was

organising them to all have the showers, get their clothes, get dried, get dressed.

organizing them to all have the showers, get their clothes, get dried, get dresses.

And she was, you know, completely organised, completely cool and calm.

At siya ay, alam mo, ganap na organisado, ganap na cool at kalmado.

And all the children were like,

At lahat ng mga bata ay parang,

"Mummy, mummy, mummy, mummy, this, that, this, that."

"Mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, ito, iyon, ito, iyon."

And I was in my head going, I couldn't cope with all this noise.

And I was in my head going, hindi ko nakayanan ang lahat ng ingay na ito.

Towels there, clothes are there, showers there, wash your hair, dry your feet,

Mga tuwalya doon, damit doon, shower doon, hugasan ang iyong buhok, patuyuin ang iyong mga paa,

put your shoes on, you know, she just had it all in hand and I thought, I cannot

isuot ang iyong sapatos, alam mo, nasa kamay niya lang ang lahat at naisip ko, hindi ako

complain about struggling with my two kids when she is managing fine with six.

makapagreklamo tungkol sa pakikibaka sa aking dalawang anak kapag siya ay namamahala fine sa anim.

It's just mental, inspirational, but mental.

Itak lang, inspirational, pero mental.

You mentioned quite a few times about Canada.

Ilang beses mong binanggit ang tungkol sa Canada.

That's where you're from, but you're living in Spain.

Doon ka nanggaling, pero sa Spain ka nakatira.

So, talk to me about this transition.

Kaya, makipag-usap sa akin tungkol sa paglipat na ito.

Moving over to Spain.

Lumipat sa Espanya.

How was that for you?

Paano iyon para sa iyo?

Well, I can say that when I moved here, which is a long time ago now, it was

Well, masasabi ko na noong lumipat ako dito, na matagal na ngayon,

13 years ago, I was completely and utterly naive, which is, I think, the

13 taon na ang nakalipas, ako ay ganap at lubos na walang muwang, na, sa palagay ko, ang

best way to go into most adventures.

pinakamahusay na paraan upang pumunta sa karamihan ng mga pakikipagsapalaran.

Yeah.

Oo.

Because if you're not a little bit naive, then a lot of us wouldn't do things

Dahil kung hindi ka medyo walang muwang, marami sa atin ang hindi gagawa ng mga bagay

because we think I'm safe here in my cave.

dahil sa tingin natin ay ligtas ako dito sa aking kweba.

I don't want to go and go out there and be exposed and put myself into

Hindi ko nais na pumunta at lumabas doon at malantad at ilagay ang aking sarili sa

uncomfortable, fearful positions.

hindi komportable, nakakatakot na mga posisyon.

But in fact, that's what happened.

Pero sa totoo lang, yun ang nangyari.

So, I was travelling around Europe doing what lots of North Americans

Kaya, naglalakbay ako sa Europa na ginagawa kung ano ang gustong gawin ng maraming North American

like to do after university, put on our backpacks and travel around and

pagkatapos ng unibersidad, isuot ang aming mga backpack at maglakbay sa paligid at

see the world and discover ourselves.

makita ang mundo at tuklasin ang aming sarili.

So, that's what I did.

So, yun ang ginawa ko.

And at the end of my trip, I thought, I would love to spend a year in Spain.

At sa pagtatapos ng aking paglalakbay, naisip ko, gusto kong gumugol ng isang taon sa Espanya.

I loved Barcelona, so I'll just go back there.

Minahal ko ang Barcelona, ​​kaya babalik na lang ako doon.

And I'd have always wanted to learn Spanish and, you know, I thought of

At noon pa man gusto kong matuto ng Espanyol at, alam mo, naisip ko

it like, just like a little detail, like, oh, I can just, I'll do, I'll

ito tulad ng, tulad ng isang maliit na detalye, tulad ng, oh, maaari ko lang, gagawin ko, magbabayad ako

pay for a course and I'll learn Spanish in three months and that'll be that.

para sa isang kurso at ako' Matututo ako ng Espanyol sa loob ng tatlong buwan at iyon na.

And then I'll get a job and I'll just live my life and drink café and,

At pagkatapos ay makakakuha ako ng trabaho at mabubuhay lang ako at uminom ng café at,

you know, do what Spanish people do.

alam mo, gawin ang ginagawa ng mga Espanyol.

So, I got here and I got to my first class, my Spanish class,

Kaya, nakarating ako dito at nakarating ako sa aking unang klase, ang aking klase sa Espanyol,

and I was like the worst student.

at ako ay tulad ng pinakamasamang estudyante.

I was terrible.

Grabe ako.

I didn't know how to learn another language.

Hindi ko alam kung paano mag-aral ng ibang wika.

Right.

Tama. Na talagang karaniwan sa ating mga monolingual, na karamihan

Which is really common with us monolinguals, which is most

of the English-speaking world.

sa mundong nagsasalita ng Ingles.

You know, Canada, the US, the UK, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand.

Alam mo, Canada, US, UK, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand.

We tend to only speak English, which is probably has a lot of reasons,

Madalas tayong nagsasalita ng Ingles, na marahil ay may maraming dahilan,

but it's because a lot of other people speak English, so we're never

ngunit ito ay dahil maraming ibang tao ang nagsasalita ng Ingles, kaya hindi tayo kailanman

forced to learn another language.

pinilit na mag-aral ng ibang wika.

So, I didn't even know how to get my mind around language learning,

Kaya, hindi ko rin alam kung paano ilalagay sa isip ko ang pag-aaral ng wika,

like what's a verb, what's a noun, what are we talking about?

tulad ng kung ano ang isang pandiwa, ano ang isang pangngalan, ano ang pinag-uusapan natin?

And it was at that point that I also had for the first time, like this

At sa puntong iyon ay nagkaroon din ako sa unang pagkakataon, tulad ng

meta-linguistic awareness of like, what it means to be myself in another language and

meta-linguistic na kamalayan na ito, kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng maging sarili ko sa ibang wika at

what it means to speak another language, how other people are going to perceive me.

kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng magsalita ng ibang wika, kung paano ako mapapansin ng ibang tao. .

When we only ever operate in our own native language, we're used to

Kapag tayo ay nagpapatakbo lamang sa sarili nating sariling wika, nasanay tayong

just being able to show who we are.

maipakita lamang kung sino tayo.

Without there being like a language barrier, right?

Kung walang language barrier, tama ba?

So, we don't have to worry that people aren't going to see who we really are.

Kaya, hindi natin kailangang mag-alala na hindi makikita ng mga tao kung sino talaga tayo.

And that was the biggest fear for me.

At iyon ang pinakamalaking takot para sa akin.

When I started learning and started speaking Spanish, say going to a

Nang ako ay nagsimulang mag-aral at nagsimulang magsalita ng Espanyol, sabihin na ang pagpunta sa isang

party, and my language skills allowed me to say what I had for lunch that

party, at ang aking mga kasanayan sa wika ay nagpapahintulot sa akin na sabihin kung ano ang mayroon ako para sa tanghalian noong

day, whereas I was like, no, but I'm actually like a normal person.

araw na iyon, samantalang ako ay tulad ng, hindi, ngunit ako ay talagang tulad ng isang normal na tao.

Like, I don't want you to think I'm not intelligent, you know,

Like, ayokong isipin mo na hindi ako matalino, alam mo,

not like I'm a genius, but I just want you to see me really.

hindi naman sa genius ako, pero gusto ko lang makita mo talaga ako.

Like the difference between being like a 3D version of yourself...

Tulad ng pagkakaiba sa pagitan ng pagiging tulad ng isang 3D na bersyon ng iyong sarili...

Exactly!

...and a 2D version of yourself.

Eksakto!

...at isang 2D na bersyon ng iyong sarili.

And unfortunately, that can happen when there's a language barrier

At sa kasamaang palad, maaaring mangyari iyon kapag may hadlang sa wika

and you just don't see the person.

at hindi mo lang nakikita ang tao.

You don't see who they really are because they can't communicate it with you.

Hindi mo nakikita kung sino talaga sila dahil hindi nila ito kayang ipaalam sa iyo.

And then I can say that a fear that I had for a very, very long time, and it's so

At pagkatapos ay maaari kong sabihin na ang isang takot na mayroon ako para sa isang napaka-matagal na panahon, at ito ay napaka-

silly, maybe it's even in the realm of phobia was making phone calls in Spanish.

uto, marahil ito ay kahit na sa larangan ng phobia ay paggawa ng mga tawag sa telepono sa Espanyol.

Right.

Tama.

And it was like the fear that I would call and we would have a problem, you

At parang takot na tawagan ko at magkaproblema tayo,

know, something in the communication.

alam mo, something sa communication.

When you're in person, you've got your hands, you can point, you can,

Kapag in person ka, you have got your hands, you can point, you can,

you know, there's a lot of oral agility skills that you can do.

you know, there's a lot of oral agility skills that you can do.

You can kind of explain it this way or explain it that way, but when you can't

Maaari mong ipaliwanag ito sa ganitong paraan o ipaliwanag ito sa ganoong paraan, ngunit kapag hindi mo

see the person, when you're just using your voice, feels very scary and it was

nakikita ang tao, kapag ginagamit mo lang ang iyong boses, nakakatakot at nakakatakot

terrifying for me and still, I will, very ashamed to say this, but if it's me and

para sa akin at gayon pa man, mahihiya ako. na sabihin ito, ngunit kung ako at ang

my husband, and we have to call the school or call, I don't know, somewhere, call the

aking asawa, at kailangan naming tumawag sa paaralan o tumawag, hindi ko alam, sa isang lugar, tawagan ang

phone company to renegotiate something, I'll try to make him do it for me.

kumpanya ng telepono upang makipag-negosasyon muli, susubukan kong gawin niya ito para sa akin.

And he's like,

"No, no, no, no, no, you're not, this, no, no, no, you speak perfect Spanish.

At siya ay tulad ng,

"Hindi, hindi, hindi, hindi, hindi, hindi ka, ito, hindi, hindi, hindi, nagsasalita ka ng perpektong Espanyol.

You're not going to make me make your phone calls for you."

Hindi mo ako pipilitin na tumawag sa iyong telepono para sa iyo."

Can't get out of it.

Hindi makaalis dito.

You can't get out of it.

Hindi ka makakaalis dito.

You can't get out of it.

Hindi ka makakaalis dito.

But yeah, it was very difficult, but it gets better with time.

Ngunit oo, ito ay napakahirap, ngunit ito ay nagiging mas mahusay sa paglipas ng panahon.

And little by little, speaking more and more, practising more and more

At unti-unti, ang pagsasalita ng higit at higit, ang pagsasanay ng higit at higit

is, I can say, as my experience as a language learner and also someone who

ay, masasabi ko, bilang aking karanasan bilang isang nag-aaral ng wika at isang taong

has taught lots and lots of students over 10 years, the only way to get

nagturo ng maraming at maraming mga mag-aaral sa loob ng 10 taon, ang tanging paraan upang maging

better at speaking and listening.

mas mahusay sa pagsasalita. at pakikinig.

And a lot of us have a fear of it.

At marami sa atin ang may takot dito.

A lot.

Marami.

I can say probably 95 per cent of students are the ones who hold in instead of

I can say probably 95 percent of students are the ones who hold in instead of

just like, whatever, I'll just say it.

just like, whatever, sasabihin ko na lang.

The only way to get over it is doing it.

Ang tanging paraan para malampasan ito ay gawin ito.

The only way, you know.

Ang tanging paraan, alam mo.

And starting with passive.

At nagsisimula sa passive.

So, listening, listening to podcasts, watching movies, starting with that

Kaya, ang pakikinig, pakikinig sa mga podcast, panonood ng mga pelikula, simula sa

skill and then speaking more and just looking for opportunities is the only

kasanayang iyon at pagkatapos ay magsalita nang higit pa at naghahanap lamang ng mga pagkakataon ay ang tanging

way to get over that fear and just get more comfortable and face it.

paraan upang malampasan ang takot na iyon at maging mas komportable at harapin ito.

And it's the only way to cope.

At ito ang tanging paraan upang makayanan.

So, yeah.

Kaya, oo.

So, that's like exposure therapy.

So, parang exposure therapy yan.

We've talked about that.

That's kind of like, yeah, exposure therapy.

Napag-usapan na natin yan.

Iyon ay tulad ng, oo, exposure therapy.

I think we both have that thing of if I'm afraid of something,

Sa tingin ko pareho kaming may bagay na kung natatakot ako sa isang bagay,

then I need to go out and do it.

pagkatapos ay kailangan kong lumabas at gawin ito.

Go and face it.

Pumunta at harapin ito.

Confront it.

Face it.

Harapin mo ito.

Harapin mo.

Exactly.

Confronting your fears.

Eksakto.

Pagharap sa iyong mga takot.

They won't get easier if you just avoid them.

Hindi sila magiging mas madali kung iiwasan mo lang sila.

No, we, lots of people online talk about the importance

Hindi, kami, maraming tao sa online ang nag-uusap tungkol sa kahalagahan

of students making mistakes.

ng mga mag-aaral na nagkakamali.

So you'll tend to see videos and shorts of people saying like,

Kaya malamang na makakita ka ng mga video at shorts ng mga taong nagsasabing,

you've got to make mistakes.

kailangan mong magkamali.

Don't avoid mistakes.

Huwag iwasan ang mga pagkakamali.

Mistakes are how you learn, how you grow.

Ang mga pagkakamali ay kung paano ka natututo, kung paano ka lumago.

And the same goes for being vulnerable.

At ang parehong napupunta para sa pagiging mahina.

Like you say, you've just got to go out there and do it.

Gaya ng sinasabi mo, kailangan mo lang lumabas doon at gawin ito.

My children, and you probably have the same, watching them develop

Aking mga anak, at malamang na mayroon ka rin, ang panonood sa kanilang pag-unlad

their language is so fascinating as a language teacher, seeing how

ng kanilang wika ay kaakit-akit bilang isang guro ng wika, nakikita kung gaano

like little inhibition they have.

sila kaunting pagsugpo.

They're not nervous or scared.

Hindi sila kinakabahan o natatakot.

Even when I correct them a thousand times.

Kahit na iwasto ko sila ng isang libong beses.

So, like my son, my eldest son, who's five is struggling with irregular verbs.

Kaya, tulad ng aking anak, ang aking panganay na anak na lalaki, na limang taong gulang ay nahihirapan sa mga irregular na pandiwa.

So, he will say, oh, what does he say?

So, sasabihin niya, oh, anong sabi niya?

Go-ed.

Go-ed.

I go-ed.

Yeah.

Pumunta ako.

Oo.

When I go-ed to school.

Pag pasok ko sa school.

And so, I'll correct him when I went to, when I went to, and so I'm always,

And so, I'll correct him when I went to, when I went to, and so I'm always,

I'm not saying what you've said is wrong, but I always just repeat

I'm not saying na mali yung sinabi mo, but I always just repeat

and give him the correct version.

and give him the correct version.

And then he'll repeat again or when I went to school.

At saka uulitin niya ulit o kapag pumasok na ako sa school.

But he struggles with that a lot, but he's never embarrassed or he doesn't

But he struggles with that a lot, but he's never embarrassed or hindi siya

feel ashamed when I correct him.

nahihiya kapag itinatama ko siya.

He doesn't shy away from saying anything.

Hindi siya nahihiyang magsabi ng kahit ano.

It's just this, okay, well, you know, you got the message and you've corrected

Ito lang, okay, well, alam mo, nakuha mo ang mensahe at naitama mo

me and I've taken the correction.

ako at kinuha ko ang pagwawasto.

I might forget it.

Baka makalimutan ko.

I might remember it.

Baka maalala ko.

Who knows, but I'm just going to keep speaking.

Who knows, pero magpapatuloy lang ako sa pagsasalita.

And it's that just lack of care works really well for him.

At ang kawalan lang ng pag-aalaga ay talagang gumagana para sa kanya.

And for, you know, everyone learning a language.

At para sa, alam mo, lahat ng nag-aaral ng wika.

I think we all learn how to walk.

Sa tingin ko lahat tayo ay natutong maglakad.

We just keep, even if we're wobbly and we're falling over, we just keep doing it.

Tuloy-tuloy lang tayo, kahit na nauutal at nadadapa tayo, ginagawa lang natin.

And eventually, we can all walk.

At sa huli, makakalakad na tayong lahat.

Obviously able-bodied and with no issues, we all learn to walk.

Malinaw na matipuno at walang problema, lahat tayo ay natututong maglakad.

And it's the same with speaking.

At ito ay pareho sa pagsasalita.

You just have to keep going.

Kailangan mo lang magpatuloy.

And doing it.

At ginagawa ito.

Right?

Exactly.

tama?

Eksakto.

You have to, and yeah, kids, like you said, are amazing models to look

Kailangan mo, at oo, ang mga bata, tulad ng sinabi mo, ay kamangha-manghang mga modelo upang tingnan

at that they don't, it's funny, like people, and myself included, are

na hindi nila ginagawa, ito ay nakakatawa, tulad ng mga tao, at kasama ang aking sarili, ay

very fearful of being corrected or saying the wrong thing, you know?

labis na natatakot na maitama o magsabi ng maling bagay, alam mo ba?

Something as silly in Spanish is using the wrong ending, like

Isang bagay na kalokohan sa Espanyol ay gumagamit ng maling pagtatapos, tulad

the masculine or feminine, like mixing something like that up.

ng panlalaki o pambabae, tulad ng paghahalo ng isang bagay na ganoon.

It's very easy to happen, but when it happens, you feel embarrassed.

Napakadaling mangyari, ngunit kapag nangyari ito, nahihiya ka.

Maybe now I wouldn't because I'm just used to making mistakes.

Siguro ngayon ay hindi na dahil sanay lang akong magkamali.

But I think the best thing you can do as a language learner, and perhaps

Ngunit sa tingin ko ang pinakamagandang bagay na maaari mong gawin bilang isang nag-aaral ng wika, at marahil

a human, from my humble opinion, is getting comfortable making mistakes.

isang tao, mula sa aking mapagpakumbabang opinyon, ay nagiging komportable sa paggawa ng mga pagkakamali.

Yeah.

And I think that's a fantastic place to end this discussion today.

Oo.

At sa tingin ko iyon ay isang kamangha-manghang lugar upang tapusin ang talakayang ito ngayon.

Wonderful.

So face your fears and just enjoy being in your own skin.

Kahanga-hanga.

Kaya harapin ang iyong mga takot at masiyahan sa pagiging sa iyong sariling balat.

Be courageous, and overcome those things that are holding you back, especially

Maging matapang, at pagtagumpayan ang mga bagay na pumipigil sa iyo, lalo na

if it's having an impact on your life, like not being able to enjoy surfing

kung ito ay may epekto sa iyong buhay, tulad ng hindi ka nasisiyahan sa pag-surf

with your partner and your family.

kasama ang iyong kapareha at ang iyong pamilya.

That's definitely something to tackle and overcome.

Iyan ay tiyak na isang bagay na dapat harapin at pagtagumpayan.

I'm going to get out there and do that.

Aalis ako doon at gagawin iyon.

Find someone to watch my kids and I'm going to get back on that wave.

Humanap ng magbabantay sa mga anak ko at babalik ako sa alon na iyon.

Fantastic.

Fantastic.

Hindi kapani-paniwala.

Hindi kapani-paniwala.

Bree, it's been an absolute joy having you here.

Bree, napakasaya na narito ka.

So, thank you for accepting my invitation.

Kaya, salamat sa pagtanggap sa aking imbitasyon.

Where can my listeners find you?

Saan ka mahahanap ng mga tagapakinig ko?

I think the best place is wherever you listen to podcasts.

Sa tingin ko ang pinakamagandang lugar ay kung saan ka man nakikinig ng mga podcast.

Just search for Into the Story and probably a good place to

Hanapin lang ang Into the Story at malamang na magandang magsimula

start is listening to your story.

ang pakikinig sa iyong kwento.

I think that's something that they'd really enjoy.

Sa tingin ko iyon ay isang bagay na talagang ikatutuwa nila.

And then from there they can find more about Into the Story.

At mula doon ay makakahanap sila ng higit pa tungkol sa Into the Story.

Fantastic.

I will put a link to your podcast into the show notes.

Hindi kapani-paniwala.

Maglalagay ako ng link sa iyong podcast sa mga tala ng palabas.

So, for my listeners just head there to find a direct link.

Kaya, para sa aking mga tagapakinig pumunta lamang doon upang makahanap ng isang direktang link.

So thank you very much and enjoy the rest of your day.

Kaya maraming salamat at tamasahin ang natitirang bahagi ng iyong araw.

Thanks.

And to my listeners, take very good care and goodbye.

Salamat. At sa aking mga tagapakinig, ingat na mabuti at paalam.

Bye.

paalam.