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English Addict with Mr Duncan


ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

03:43
You might not believe it, but we have had some really terrible weather over the past few days.
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ไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใ“ใ“ๆ•ฐๆ—ฅใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใฒใฉใ„ๅคฉๅ€™ใŒ็ถšใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:50
Even though right now, outside, you can see the sun is shining.
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ไปŠใ€ๅค–ใงใฏๅคช้™ฝใŒ่ผใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใŒ่ฆ‹ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
03:55
We even have blue sky.
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้’็ฉบใ‚‚ๅ‡บใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:57
Can you believe it?
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ไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
03:59
Well, you have to, because there it is on your screen right now.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใใ†ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ไปŠใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็”ป้ขใซใใ‚ŒใŒ่กจ็คบใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
04:05
We are all together once again.
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็งใŸใกใฏใพใŸใฟใ‚“ใชไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:06
It's lovely to have your company this is English Addict coming to you live and direct from the birthplace of the English language.
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่‹ฑ่ชž็™บ็ฅฅใฎๅœฐใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€English Addict ใŒใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใง็›ดๆŽฅใŠๅฑŠใ‘ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:18
You know where it is.
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ใฉใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฏใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญใ€‚
04:19
We all know where it is.
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็งใŸใกใฏ็š†ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใฉใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:21
It is, of course, England.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
04:42
Let's go.
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ใ•ใ‚่กŒใ“ใ†ใ€‚
04:47
Oh, there you are.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ“ใซใ„ใŸใ‚“ใ ใ€‚
04:48
Hi, everybody.
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ใฟใชใ•ใ‚“ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚
04:49
This is Mr.
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04:50
Duncan in England. How are you today? Are you okay? I hope so. Are you happy?
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ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใฎใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚ ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏๅ…ƒๆฐ—ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ใใ†ใ ใจใ„ใ„ใ€‚ ๅนธใ›ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
04:55
Are you feeling happy today?
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏๅนธใ›ใชๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ใใ†ใง
04:57
I hope you are.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:58
I have one of these on my face right now.
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ไปŠใ€็งใฎ้ก”ใซใฏใ“ใ‚ŒใŒไธ€ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
05:03
This is the real one.
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ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒๆœฌ็‰ฉใงใ™ใ€‚
05:04
This is the one that I like to use to encourage you to have a smile.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใซ็ฌ‘้ก”ใซใชใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ†ใŸใ‚ใซ็งใŒใ‚ˆใไฝฟใ†่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
05:12
Because that is what life is all about.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒไบบ็”Ÿใฎใ™ในใฆใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
05:14
Sometimes as we go through life, we have to have a little bit of fun.
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ไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’ๆญฉใ‚€ใจใใ€ๆ™‚ใซใฏๅฐ‘ใ—ใ ใ‘ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚€ใ“ใจใ‚‚ๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
05:21
Because what is life without a smile, without a laugh, without a nice warm hug?
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็ฌ‘้ก”ใ‚‚ใ€็ฌ‘ใ„ๅฃฐใ‚‚ใ€ ๆธฉใ‹ใ„ๆŠฑๆ“ใ‚‚ใชใ„ไบบ็”Ÿใชใ‚“ใฆใ€ไฝ•ใชใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†๏ผŸ
05:29
Think of this as a nice warm hug through the internet.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’้€šใ˜ใŸๆธฉใ‹ใ„ๆŠฑๆ“ใ ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
05:35
My name is Mr. Duncan.
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็งใฎๅๅ‰ใฏใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
05:36
I live in England.
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็งใฏใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
05:38
I think I've mentioned that already and I am an English addict.
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ใ™ใงใซ่ฟฐในใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžไธญๆฏ’่€…ใงใ™ใ€‚
05:45
Just as it says down there on the screen.
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็”ป้ขไธ‹ใซๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ‚ใ‚‹้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
05:48
I hope you are having a good Sunday. Also, I suppose I should say
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่‰ฏใ„ๆ—ฅๆ›œๆ—ฅใ‚’ใŠ้Žใ”ใ—ใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใพใŸใ€
05:55
Happy New Year if I haven't said it to you yet.
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ใพใ ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใชใ„ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๆ–ฐๅนดใŠใ‚ใงใจใ†ใจไผใˆใ‚‹ในใใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:02
Of course, if I've already said it, please disregard my greeting.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใ™ใงใซ่จ€ใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€็งใฎๆŒจๆ‹ถใฏ็„ก่ฆ–ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
06:08
If you disregard something, it means you ignore it.
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’็„ก่ฆ–ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใฏใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’็„ก่ฆ–ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:13
You push that thing aside, you disregard that particular thing.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฎไบ‹ใ‚’ๆŠผใ—ใฎใ‘ใ€ใใฎ็‰นๅฎšใฎไบ‹ใ‚’็„ก่ฆ–ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:21
So if I have already said Happy New Year to you, you do not have to worry about it.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใŒใ™ใงใซใ‚ใชใŸใซๆ–ฐๅนดใŠใ‚ใงใจใ†ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ๅฟƒ้…ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
06:27
You don't have to wave to me or give me a big kiss on the nose.
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็งใซๆ‰‹ใ‚’ๆŒฏใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€้ผปใซๅคงใใชใ‚ญใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
06:33
Nothing like that. Please disregard my greeting.
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ใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใฏใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚ ็งใฎๆŒจๆ‹ถใฏ็„ก่ฆ–ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
06:38
However, if I haven't said it, can I wish you a lovely superduper 2025.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใพใ ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ 2025 ๅนดใŒ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๅนดใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็ฅˆใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:45
We are here again once more.
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็งใŸใกใฏๅ†ใณใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:48
We are back together and I hope you have had a lovely, lovely week whilst I've been away.
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็งใŸใกใฏใพใŸไธ€็ท’ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚็งใŒ็•™ๅฎˆใฎ้–“ใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใŒใจใฆใ‚‚็ด ๆ•ตใชไธ€้€ฑ้–“ใ‚’้Žใ”ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:57
Did you see my new lesson?
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็งใฎๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’่ฆ‹ใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ ไปŠๅนดใ“ใ‚Œใพใงใงๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅฏ’ใ„ๆ—ฅใฎ
07:00
I filmed a lesson during the week
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ๅนณๆ—ฅใซใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ๆ’ฎๅฝฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸ
07:05
on the coldest day of the year so far.
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07:10
In fact, it may have been the coldest day of this winter.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ใ“ใฎๅ†ฌใงๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅฏ’ใ„ๆ—ฅใ ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
07:16
Minus six that is six degrees below zero.
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ใƒžใ‚คใƒŠใ‚น6ๅบฆใ€ใคใพใ‚Š้›ถไธ‹6ๅบฆใงใ™ใ€‚
07:22
It was absolutely freezing.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฏ’ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ€Œ
07:25
Did you see my lesson all about the word freeze?
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freezeใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๅ˜่ชžใซใคใ„ใฆใฎ็งใฎใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ใ”่ฆงใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
07:30
And quite literally, I was freezing.
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ใใ—ใฆๆ–‡ๅญ—้€šใ‚Šใ€็งใฏๅ‡ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:37
Certain parts of my body were really suffering.
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ไฝ“ใฎใ‚ใ‚‹้ƒจๅˆ†ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็—›ใฟใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:41
I won't tell you which parts or where they were, but let's just say they were not
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ใฉใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‹ใ€ใฉใ“ใ ใฃใŸใ‹ใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆฅฝใ—ใ„ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใจใ ใ‘่จ€ใฃใฆใŠใใพใ™
07:50
having a good time.
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07:51
Some of those things were actually quite shrivelled.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ„ใใคใ‹ใฏใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Šใ—ใ‚ใใกใ‚ƒใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:55
Shrivelled. Now there's another good word already.
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ใ—ใ‚ใ—ใ‚ใซใชใฃใŸใ€‚ ใ™ใงใซใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ใคใ„ใ„่จ€่‘‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:59
You will notice that I like using interesting English words, something that is shrivelled.
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็งใŒ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅ˜่ชžใ€ใคใพใ‚Šใ—ใ‚ใŒใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใฎใŒๅฅฝใใ ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
08:09
If it shrivels, it means it shrinks.
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ใ—ใ‚ใŒๅฏ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใฏใ€็ธฎใ‚€ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
08:14
It becomes much smaller than it normally is.
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้€šๅธธใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใšใฃใจๅฐใ•ใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
08:18
It shrivels.
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ใ—ใ‚ใ—ใ‚ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅฏ’ใ„ๆ—ฅใซใฏ
08:21
Parts of your body might shrivel
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ไฝ“ใฎไธ€้ƒจใŒ็ธฎใ‚“ใงใ—ใพใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
08:25
on a cold day.
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08:27
Certain types of food, if you leave it out, it will shrivel.
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็‰นๅฎšใฎ็จฎ้กžใฎ้ฃŸๅ“ใฏใ€ๆ”พ็ฝฎใ—ใฆใŠใใจ็ธฎใ‚“ใงใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:33
It will become dry, and it will shrink away to nothing.
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ไนพ็‡ฅใ—ใฆ็ธฎใ‚“ใงๆถˆใˆใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:39
I know that feeling very well.
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ใใฎๆฐ—ๆŒใกใฏใ‚ˆใๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ไปŠใฎๅฏ’ใ•ใ‚’็คบใ™ใŸใ‚ใซใ€
08:41
You may have noticed that I'm wearing my scarf in the studio just to demonstrate how cold the weather is at the moment.
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็งใŒใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚ธใ‚ชใงใ‚นใ‚ซใƒผใƒ•ใ‚’ๅทปใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใŠๆฐ—ใฅใใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚ ใใ†ใฏ
08:53
Although, having said that, we do have sunshine and the lovely weather.
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่จ€ใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ€ ๅคช้™ฝใŒ็…งใ‚Šใ€ๅคฉๆฐ—ใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
08:59
People have promised that the weather is going to get better during the week.
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ไบบใ€…ใฏ ไปŠ้€ฑไธญใซๅคฉๆฐ—ใŒ่‰ฏใใชใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใจ็ด„ๆŸใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚
09:05
So next week it is going to get warm again.
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ๆฅ้€ฑใฏใพใŸๆš–ใ‹ใใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
09:09
Isn't that lovely?
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็ด ๆ•ตใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
09:11
I should not forget you.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใฏใ„ใ‘ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:13
Don't worry, I will say hello to you in a moment. Out there.
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ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใ™ใใซๆŒจๆ‹ถใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใใ“ใซใ€‚
09:17
Of course it is Sunday, which means that we have the one.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ๆ—ฅๆ›œๆ—ฅใชใฎใงใ€ใใฎๆ—ฅใŒๆฅใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
09:21
The only, Mr.
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ๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใฏ
09:23
Steve, will be with us at around about 2:30.
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ใ€2ๆ™‚ๅŠ้ ƒใซๅˆฐ็€ใ™ใ‚‹ไบˆๅฎšใงใ™ใ€‚
09:29
We had a busy week last
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ๅ…ˆ้€ฑใฏ
09:30
week because we had to go to have our medical check-ups
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ๅฅๅบท่จบๆ–ญใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใซ่กŒใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงๅฟ™ใ—ใ„ไธ€้€ฑ้–“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
09:37
lots of boring information that I could give you at the moment, but I'm not going to.
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็พๆ™‚็‚นใงใŠไผใˆใงใใ‚‹้€€ๅฑˆใชๆƒ…ๅ ฑใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใ‚ใˆใฆใŠไผใˆใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:42
It's all connected to things like insurance and other things like that.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆไฟ้™บใ‚„ใใฎไป–ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใซ้–ขไฟ‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
09:46
Quite often you have to you have to undertake some sort of medical examination.
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ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ ไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎๅฅๅบท่จบๆ–ญใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:52
That doesn't mean that we we are training to be doctors.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŸใกใŒๅŒป่€…ใซใชใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎ่จ“็ทดใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:57
So you might say that a medical exam sounds as if we are studying to be doctors, but we are not.
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ๅฅๅบท่จบๆ–ญใฏใ€ใพใ‚‹ใง ๅŒป่€…ใซใชใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๅ‹‰ๅผทใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใฏใใ†ใงใฏใชใ„ใ€‚
10:06
So the medical exam was actually on us.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฅๅบท่จบๆ–ญใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ็งใŸใกใฎ่ฒ ๆ‹…ใ ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–
10:11
We might talk a little bit about that later on when Mr.
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ๆฐใŒๅ‚ๅŠ ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‰ใ€ๅพŒใงใใฎใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
10:16
Steve joins us.
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10:18
He was out this morning having a walk.
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ๅฝผใฏไปŠๆœๆ•ฃๆญฉใซๅ‡บใ‹ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
10:22
We had a lovely walk yesterday.
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ๆ˜จๆ—ฅใฏ็ด ๆ•ตใชๆ•ฃๆญฉใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
10:25
We were outside.
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็งใŸใกใฏๅค–ใซใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใจใฆใ‚‚
10:27
It was freezing cold, but as you know, I love filming everything around me and yesterday was no exception.
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ๅฏ’ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็ŸฅใฎใจใŠใ‚Šใ€ ็งใฏ่บซใฎๅ›žใ‚Šใฎใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆ’ฎๅฝฑใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ€ๆ˜จๆ—ฅใ‚‚ไพ‹ๅค–ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
10:37
Take a look at what we saw yesterday whilst walking around on our freezing cold walk around the area in which I live.
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ๆ˜จๆ—ฅใ€็งใŒไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ๅœฐๅŸŸใ‚’ๅ‡ใ‚Šใคใใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅฏ’ใ•ใฎไธญๆ•ฃๆญฉใ—ใชใŒใ‚‰่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
13:00
We had the most amazing walk yesterday.
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ๆ˜จๆ—ฅใฏๆœ€้ซ˜ใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๆ•ฃๆญฉใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใจใฆใ‚‚
13:03
It was freezing cold, but everything around us was beautiful.
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ๅฏ’ใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ๅ‘จใ‚Šใฎใ™ในใฆใŒ็พŽใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
13:08
And see you, Nick.
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ใใ‚ŒใงใฏใพใŸใ€ใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ€‚ ็ขบใ‹ใซ
13:10
I have to say, it did look lovely.
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็ด ๆ•ตใ ใฃใŸใจ่จ€ใ‚ใ–ใ‚‹ใ‚’ๅพ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
13:14
Yes, I know, I forgot to open my microphone.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใƒžใ‚คใ‚ฏใ‚’้–‹ใใฎใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
13:17
Then you might find that I will be doing that quite a lot today.
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ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€็งใŒไปŠๆ—ฅใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‹ใชใ‚Š้ ป็นใซ่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
13:22
Because I've had such a busy day today. Very, very busy.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฟ™ใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚ ใจใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฟ™ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
13:27
I hope you are having a good time as well.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:30
Can I say hello to the live chat?
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ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใซๆŒจๆ‹ถใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
13:31
Hello live chat.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใ€‚
13:33
Nice to see you here. Congratulations to Beatriz Beatriz.
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ใ“ใ“ใซๆฅใฆใใ‚Œใฆๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใƒ™ใ‚ขใƒˆใƒชใ‚นใƒปใƒ™ใ‚ขใƒˆใƒชใ‚นใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใŠใ‚ใงใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:39
Guess what?
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13:39
You are first on today's live chat.
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ไฝ•ใ ใจๆ€ใ†๏ผŸ
ไปŠๆ—ฅใฎใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใงใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ€ๅˆใงใ™ใ€‚
13:50
Beatriz, you are first on today's live chat.
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ใƒ™ใ‚ขใƒˆใƒชใ‚นใ•ใ‚“ใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใฎใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใฎๆœ€ๅˆใฎไบบใงใ™ใ€‚
13:54
Congratulations.
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ใŠใ‚ใงใจใ†ใ€‚
13:55
And I hope you are feeling good today.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:59
In second place, we have Vytas. Hello, Vytas. Nice to see you here as well.
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2ไฝใฏ Vytasใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใƒดใ‚ฃใ‚ฟใ‚นใ€‚ ใ“ใกใ‚‰ใงใ‚‚ใŠไผšใ„ใงใใฆๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
14:05
Vytas is with us also.
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ใƒดใ‚ฃใ‚ฟใ‚นใ‚‚ไธ€็ท’ใงใ™ใ€‚
14:08
And yes, he is here as usual.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ๅฝผใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:12
You know who I'm talking about? Luis Mendes.
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็งใŒ่ชฐใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ใƒซใ‚คใ‚นใƒปใƒกใƒณใƒ‡ใ‚นใ€‚
14:17
is here today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:18
Hello, Luis.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใƒซใ‚คใ‚นใ€‚
14:20
I hope you are feeling better because I know last weekend you were under the weather.
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ๅ…ˆ้€ฑๆœซใฏไฝ“่ชฟใŒๆ‚ชใ‹ใฃใŸใจ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใฎใงใ€ไฝ“่ชฟใŒ่‰ฏใใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
14:26
I hope today you are feeling much better, much brighter.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒใšใฃใจ่‰ฏใใชใ‚Šใ€ใšใฃใจๆ˜Žใ‚‹ใใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:31
And I hope you are in the mood for English addict.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€่‹ฑ่ชžไธญๆฏ’ใฎๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใ‚Œใฐๅนธใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
14:36
Claudia is here.
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ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใŒๆฅใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
14:38
Hello, Claudia.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใ€‚
14:39
Hello. Also unique way.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚ ใƒฆใƒ‹ใƒผใ‚ฏใชๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
14:41
Nice to see you with us as well.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚็งใŸใกใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใฆใใ‚Œใฆๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
14:44
We also have Florence Bella. Hello, Bella.
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ใƒ•ใƒญใƒผใƒฌใƒณใ‚นใƒปใƒ™ใƒฉใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใƒ™ใƒฉใ€‚
14:49
It is a very long time since I saw you on the live chat.
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ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใงใŠไผšใ„ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏไน…ใ—ใถใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
14:54
It is very nice to see you back.
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ๆˆปใฃใฆใใฆใใ‚Œใฆใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
14:56
Jamie is here.
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ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚คใƒŸใƒผใŒๆฅใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
14:58
Jamie Bolivar says hello to everybody.
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ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚คใƒŸใƒผใƒปใƒœใƒชใƒใƒซใŒ็š†ๆง˜ใซใ”ๆŒจๆ‹ถ็”ณใ—ไธŠใ’ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:03
That is very friendly of you. Thank you very much.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚่ฆชๅˆ‡ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ใฉใ†ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:06
Also we have Marut SEO.
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ใพใŸใ€Marut SEO ใ‚‚ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:09
Hello to you as well.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใซใ‚‚ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚
15:12
Palmira is here as well.
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ใƒ‘ใƒซใƒŸใƒฉใ‚‚ใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:15
Hello.
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15:15
I and z I in Z or ion Z.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚
I ใŠใ‚ˆใณ z I ใฏ Z ใพใŸใฏใ‚คใ‚ชใƒณ Z ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
15:20
Hello to Mr. Duncan. That's me, by the way.
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ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚ ใกใชใฟใซใใ‚Œใฏ็งใงใ™ใ€‚
15:24
Just in case you're wondering, ring Sak is here.
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ๅฟตใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ใƒชใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚ตใƒƒใ‚ฏใฏใ“ใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
15:28
I haven't seen you for a long time as well.
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็งใ‚‚้•ทใ„้–“ใ‚ใชใŸใซไผšใฃใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
15:33
Nice to see you back. We also have.
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ๆˆปใฃใฆใใฆใใ‚Œใฆๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใซใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
15:37
Pedro Belmont is here today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใƒšใƒ‰ใƒญใƒปใƒ™ใƒซใƒขใƒณใƒˆใŒๆฅใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:40
Hello, Pedro.
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15:41
Nice to see you back. Also.
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ๆˆปใฃใฆใใฆใใ‚Œใฆๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใพใŸใ€‚
15:43
Christina is here. Oh, hello, Christina.
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ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใŒๆฅใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใ€‚ ๅฟƒใ‹ใ‚‰
15:48
Can I say a big thank you?
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ๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ‚’็”ณใ—ไธŠใ’ใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
15:51
We had a nice surprise yesterday morning.
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ๆ˜จๆ—ฅใฎๆœใ€ๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ตใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚คใ‚บใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
15:54
It came through our letterbox.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŸใกใฎ้ƒตไพฟๅ—ใ‘ใซๅฑŠใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
15:57
Thank you very much for your lovely Christmas card.
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็ด ๆ•ตใชใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒžใ‚นใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:00
All the way from lovely Italy.
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็พŽใ—ใ„ใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขใ‹ใ‚‰ใฏใ‚‹ใฐใ‚‹ใ‚„ใฃใฆๆฅใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
16:03
Isn't that lovely?
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็ด ๆ•ตใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
16:04
And there is Father Christmas
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16:08
putting out the gifts for the children.
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ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใซใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚ผใƒณใƒˆใ‚’้…ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:11
So thank you, Christina, for your lovely card and the beautiful greeting inside as well.
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ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใ•ใ‚“ใ€็ด ๆ•ตใชใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ ใจใใฎไธญใซๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹็พŽใ—ใ„ๆŒจๆ‹ถๆ–‡ใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:18
Mr. Steve and myself, we were very moved by your lovely thought.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใจ็งใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็ด ๆ•ตใชใŠๆฐ—ๆŒใกใซใจใฆใ‚‚ๆ„Ÿๅ‹•ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
16:23
Thank you.
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16:24
Hello, Edwin. Mr. Duncan, you are such a great teacher.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใ‚จใƒ‰ใ‚ฆใ‚ฃใƒณใ€‚ ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใงใ™ใ€‚
16:28
I am learning a lot from you.
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็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:29
Thank you. Edwin, that is very kind of you to say as well.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚ ใ‚จใƒ‰ใ‚ฆใ‚ฃใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใใ†่จ€ใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใฃใฆใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
16:34
Where are you watching? Please let me know. Edwin, where are you watching at the moment?
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ใฉใ“ใง่ฆ‹ใฆใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ็งใซใŠ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ›ใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใ‚จใƒ‰ใ‚ฆใ‚ฃใƒณใ€ ไปŠใฏใฉใ“ใง่ฆณใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎ๏ผŸ
16:41
Who else is here?
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ไป–ใซ่ชฐใŒใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
16:42
Farid boules is here also.
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ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒชใƒ‰ใƒปใƒ–ใƒผใƒซใ‚‚ใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:46
We have. Who else is here?
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ๆˆ‘ใ€…ใฏๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ไป–ใซ่ชฐใŒใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
16:49
Ring sack is here as well.
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ใƒชใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚ตใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚‚ใ“ใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
16:51
Nice to see you back.
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16:53
Lots of people joining us today.
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16:55
Virginia. Hello, Virginia and drone.
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ใƒใƒผใ‚ธใƒ‹ใ‚ขใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใƒใƒผใ‚ธใƒ‹ใ‚ขใจใƒ‰ใƒญใƒผใƒณใ€‚
17:00
I've never seen your name on the live chat before.
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ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใงใ‚โ€‹โ€‹ใชใŸใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
17:04
Can you please tell me where you are watching? For two reasons.
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ใฉใ“ใง่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ็†็”ฑใฏ2ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใ‚’
17:09
It is very interesting to find out.
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็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
17:12
And also I am very, very nosy.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚่ฉฎ็ดขๅฅฝใใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
17:16
I always like to find out these things.
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17:20
Today we have some very interesting topics to talk about.
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17:24
We are talking about being famous,
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็งใŸใกใฏๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€
17:28
having fame, being a celebrity.
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ๅๅฃฐใ‚’ๆŒใคใ“ใจใ€ๆœ‰ๅไบบใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:33
A lot of people think that being famous is a good thing.
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ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ ใจๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:37
Quite often we see people who are famous as having glamorous lives.
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ๆœ‰ๅไบบใฏ่ฏใ‚„ใ‹ใช็”Ÿๆดปใ‚’้€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ‚ˆใ่ฆ‹ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:44
However, it is not always the case.
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17:48
As you may have seen at the past few days.
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้ŽๅŽปๆ•ฐๆ—ฅ้–“ใ”่ฆงใซใชใฃใŸใ‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€‚ ใƒญใ‚ตใƒณใ‚ผใƒซใ‚นๅ‘จ่พบใง็™บ็”Ÿใ—ใŸๅคšๆ•ฐใฎ็ซ็ฝใซใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ€็พๅœจใ€
17:50
Lots of celebrities, lots of famous people are having a pretty terrible time at the moment because of
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17:58
lots of the fires that have broken out around Los Angeles, so a lot of people at the moment are suffering, even the famous people.
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ๆœ‰ๅไบบใ‚’ๅซใ‚ใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ่‹ฆใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:09
So even though a person is famous and they are probably quite rich, it doesn't mean that life is going to be easy.
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18:19
It doesn't mean that they're going to have an easy life.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๆฅฝใชไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’้€ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
18:22
Their life will not always be simple and smooth. In fact, sometimes
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎไบบ็”Ÿใฏๅธธใซๅ˜็ด”ใง้ †่ชฟใชใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€
18:28
being famous can bring its own problems.
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18:34
Problems that you didn't have before being famous can do that.
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ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซใฏใชใ‹ใฃใŸๅ•้กŒใŒใ€ใใ†ใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
18:40
So we are looking at that later.
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ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฏๅพŒใงๆคœ่จŽใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:42
We are talking about fame and misfortune.
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็งใŸใกใฏๅๅฃฐใจไธๅนธใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:47
A lot of people say fame and fortune because people always assume if you are famous, you must also have a good life.
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ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒๅๅฃฐใจๅฏŒใ‚’ๆŒ™ใ’ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏๆœ‰ๅใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ่‰ฏใ„็”Ÿๆดปใ‚‚้€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใซ้•ใ„ใชใ„ใจไบบใ€…ใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
18:57
However, as I said a few moments ago, if you are a celebrity, if you are famous,
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅ…ˆใปใฉใ‚‚็”ณใ—ไธŠใ’ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ ๆœ‰ๅไบบใ€ใคใพใ‚Š่‘—ๅไบบใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€
19:05
sometimes things can go quite bad, to be honest with you.
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ๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใฃใฆใ€็ŠถๆณใŒใ‹ใชใ‚Šๆ‚ชใใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
19:12
Smartie.
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่ณขใ„ไบบใ€‚
19:13
Hello Smartie, can you please say hi to Sarvesh and Hanyu?
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€Smartieใ•ใ‚“ใ€‚Sarveshใ•ใ‚“ใจHanyuใ•ใ‚“ใซใ‚ˆใ‚ใ—ใใŠไผใˆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
19:20
Hello Sarvesh.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใ‚ตใƒซใƒ™ใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใ€‚
19:22
Hello also to Hanyu as well.
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็พฝ็”Ÿใ•ใ‚“ใซใ‚‚ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚
19:25
Thank you very much for watching.
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ใ”่ฆ–่ดใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
19:27
I have a feeling you are there at the moment.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไปŠใใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆฐ—ใŒใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:31
Are you in India?
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ใ‚คใƒณใƒ‰ใซใ„ใ‚‰ใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
19:33
Because I have lots of lovely new viewers watching right now in India.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ไปŠใ‚คใƒณใƒ‰ใซใฏ็งใฎ็•ช็ต„ใ‚’่ฆ–่ดใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹็ด ๆ•ตใชๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่ฆ–่ด่€…ใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:39
So it is nice to have you here
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19:44
that says I want to be rich, but I don't want to be famous.
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ใŠ้‡‘ๆŒใกใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใ‘ใฉๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใใชใ„ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใฆใใ‚Œใฆๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:49
You might be surprised to find out that quite a few people who become famous actually hate being famous.
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ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸไบบใฎๅคšใใŒใ€ๅฎŸใฏๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅซŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ็ŸฅใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€้ฉšใใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
19:59
They don't like it.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๅฅฝใใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
20:00
So even though you have a fairly comfortable life, because we often think if you are famous,
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ๆœ‰ๅไบบใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€็”Ÿๆดปใฏๅฟซ้ฉใง่ฏใ‚„ใ‹ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใซ้•ใ„ใชใ„ใจ็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ˆใ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€
20:07
then your life must be comfortable and glamorous.
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ใŸใจใˆใ‹ใชใ‚Šๅฟซ้ฉใช็”Ÿๆดปใ‚’้€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
20:11
You will always be invited to lots of lovely parties, and quite often you will meet other famous people.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ็ด ๆ•ตใชใƒ‘ใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใซๆ‹›ๅพ…ใ•ใ‚Œใ€ ไป–ใฎๆœ‰ๅไบบใซไผšใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
20:21
But sometimes having fame can be a negative thing.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๆ™‚ใซใฏๅๅฃฐใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใƒžใ‚คใƒŠใ‚นใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
20:27
Not everyone wants to be famous and sometimes it is possible to become famous even though you don't want to be.
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ—ใ€ ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใใชใ„ใฎใซๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
20:38
We will look at all of those things later on.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใซใคใ„ใฆใฏๅพŒใง่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
20:43
Here is some interesting information at the moment for all of you sports fans watching, especially those
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20:53
who like playing tennis or watching tennis at the moment
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20:59
in Australia, the tennis season is now underway in Melbourne.
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็พๅœจใ‚ชใƒผใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒชใ‚ขใฎใƒกใƒซใƒœใƒซใƒณใงใƒ†ใƒ‹ใ‚นใ‚ทใƒผใ‚บใƒณใŒๅง‹ใพใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€ใƒ†ใƒ‹ใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Š่ฆณๆˆฆใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒใŠๅฅฝใใช็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใซใ€็พๆ™‚็‚นใงใฎ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚’ใŠไผใˆใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:05
Yes, the Australian Open is now underway.
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21:11
Talking of which.
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22:26
So for all those who love tennis.
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22:28
That was especially for you.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็‰นใซใ‚ใชใŸใฎใŸใ‚ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
22:48
English addict is with you today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžไธญๆฏ’่€…ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๆœ€้ซ˜ใซ
22:52
I hope you are having a super duper Sunday.
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22:56
Wherever you are in the world. I hope it is going well.
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ไธ–็•Œไธญใฉใ“ใซใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใ€‚ ้ †่ชฟใซ้€ฒใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:01
Can I say hello once again to Beatrice?
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ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆใƒ™ใ‚ขใƒˆใƒชใ‚นใซๆŒจๆ‹ถใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
23:04
Beatrice, I believe I have heard through the grapevine
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ใƒ™ใ‚ขใƒˆใƒชใ‚นใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไฝ“่ชฟใŒไปŠใ‚ใพใ‚Š่‰ฏใใชใ„ใจๅ™‚ใง่žใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™
23:11
that you are not feeling very well at the moment, so can I wish you a speedy recovery.
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23:16
I think it has something to do with your back,
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ƒŒไธญใจ้–ขไฟ‚ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚็งใ‚‚
23:20
something I can sympathise with because quite often I have difficulty and problems with my stupid back.
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่ƒŒไธญใฎไธ่ชฟใงใ‚ˆใๅ›ฐ้›ฃใ‚„ๅ•้กŒใ‚’ๆŠฑใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅŒๆƒ…ใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
23:31
My reason, of course, is because I'm tall and apparently as you get older, if you are tall and I am very tall,
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็†็”ฑใฏใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€็งใŒ่ƒŒใŒ้ซ˜ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ€่ƒŒใŒ้ซ˜ใ„ไบบ ใ€็‰นใซ็งใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ƒŒใŒ้ซ˜ใ„ไบบใฏใ€ๅนดใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใซใคใ‚Œใฆ
23:39
you can get lots of back problems and pain as you get older, unfortunately.
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ใ€ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใŒใ‚‰่ƒŒไธญใซใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๅ•้กŒใ‚„็—›ใฟใŒ็”Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ ใ€‚
23:46
So I hope you are feeling better soon. Beatrice.
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ๆ—ฉใ่‰ฏใใชใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ใƒ™ใ‚ขใƒˆใƒชใ‚นใ€‚
23:49
Take it easy.
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23:50
Keep that sensitive area warm
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23:56
one way or another.
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23:58
Keep it nice and comfortable and warm.
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24:01
So some people say if you have back pain, you should put something warm on the area.
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่…ฐ็—›ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ ใใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใซๆธฉใ‹ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๅฝ“ใฆใŸๆ–นใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใจ่จ€ใ†ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:08
However, other people say that for certain types of back pain, you should actually use something very cold like ice.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎ้กžใฎ่…ฐ็—›ใซใฏใ€ ๆฐทใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช้žๅธธใซๅ†ทใŸใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ในใใ ใจไธปๅผตใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:17
So I think it depends on what type of back pain you have,
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่…ฐ็—›ใฎ็จฎ้กžใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ้•ใ†ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
24:23
but I hope you are feeling very well and very much better real soon.
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ใŒใ€ใ™ใใซไฝ“่ชฟใŒ่‰ฏใใชใ‚Šใ€่‰ฏใใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:30
Mr. Steve is just four minutes away, which gives me a little bit of time to talk about an interesting English word.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใฏใ‚ใจ 4 ๅˆ†ใงๅˆฐ็€ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅ˜่ชžใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ใŠ่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
24:40
As you know, I love English very much.
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€็งใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใŒใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
24:42
You might say that I am definitely an English addict.
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็งใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใชใ่‹ฑ่ชžไธญๆฏ’่€…ใ ใจ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
24:46
Here is an interesting word I heard this used the other day.
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ๅ…ˆๆ—ฅ่žใ„ใŸ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„่จ€่‘‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
24:51
I heard this word mentioned and it was all connected to people
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็งใฏใ“ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใŒ่จ€ๅŠใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’่žใใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆ
24:58
in authority, people who have a certain type of power.
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ๆจฉๅจใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎๆจฉๅŠ›ใ‚’ๆŒใคไบบใ€…ใจ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
25:04
And this can be anything really.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ๅฏ่ƒฝใงใ™ใ€‚
25:06
Maybe a person in your office, maybe a person who is your supervisor or your boss.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใฎไบบใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ—ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไธŠๅธใ‚„ใƒœใ‚นใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
25:15
Everyone can have some type of power,
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎๅŠ›ใ€ๆจฉๅจใ‚’ๆŒใคใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
25:20
authority.
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25:22
That's a great word. By the way.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใจใ“ใ‚ใงใ€‚
25:24
When we look at the word authority, we are talking about a person who has a certain amount of power,
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ๆจฉๅจใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใจใ€ ็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฎๆจฉๅŠ›ใ‚’ๆŒใคไบบใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€
25:31
and quite often a person with power or authority might sometimes
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ๆจฉๅŠ›ใ‚„ๆจฉๅจใ‚’ๆŒใคไบบใฏใ€ๆ™‚ใซใฏ
25:39
be harsh to treat someone cruelly
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่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’ๆฎ‹้…ทใซๆ‰ฑใ†ๅŽณใ—ใ„ๆ…‹ๅบฆใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
25:45
an action.
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25:46
So the word harsh is actually an adjective,
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25:52
an action involving cruelty to be cruel, to be brutal,
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26:00
to to be severe with someone.
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26:04
So if you are severe with a person, you are treating them in a harsh way.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไบบใซๅฏพใ—ใฆๅŽณใ—ใ„ๆ…‹ๅบฆใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฎไบบใ‚’ๅŽณใ—ใ„ๆ–นๆณ•ใงๆ‰ฑใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
26:12
We are using that word as an adjective to be severe with someone or something.
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็งใŸใกใฏใใฎๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ใ€ ่ชฐใ‹ใพใŸใฏไฝ•ใ‹ใซๅฏพใ—ใฆๅŽณใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’็คบใ™ๅฝขๅฎน่ฉžใจใ—ใฆไฝฟใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:19
So perhaps you are being harsh with your motorbike or your car because it won't start in the morning.
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26:28
You might thump the car, you might kick your motorbike.
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26:35
You are being harsh with that thing.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฎใ“ใจใซๅฏพใ—ใฆๅŽณใ—ใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€‚
26:39
Something unpleasant to the senses, something you can hear.
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ๆ„Ÿ่ฆš็š„ใซไธๅฟซใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€่žใ“ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ€‚
26:45
For example, a sound
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€้ŸณใŒ
26:49
can be harsh.
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่€ณ้šœใ‚Šใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
26:51
Something that is unpleasant to the senses.
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ๆ„Ÿ่ฆš็š„ใซไธๅฟซใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€‚
26:55
So maybe a sound, maybe Mr.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€้Ÿณใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ—ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใŒ
26:58
Steve is warming up his voice.
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ๅฃฐใ‚’ๆธฉใ‚ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚
27:03
Sometimes the sound can be harsh.
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ๆ™‚ใ€…้ŸณใŒ่€ณ้šœใ‚Šใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
27:08
Please don't tell him I said that. Please don't.
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็งใŒใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใฃใŸใจใฏๅฝผใซ่จ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใ‚„ใ‚ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
27:12
He will silk for the rest of the day so a sound can be harsh.
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ๅฝผใฏใใฎๆ—ฅใฎๆฎ‹ใ‚Šใฎๆ™‚้–“ใ€็ตนใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็ตนใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็ตนใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็ตนใ‚’็ดกใใฎใงใ€้Ÿณใฏ่€ณ้šœใ‚Šใซใชใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
27:18
Maybe colours or light can be harsh.
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่‰ฒใ‚„ๅ…‰ใŒๅผทใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
27:23
So lighting that is too bright.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็…งๆ˜ŽใŒๆ˜Žใ‚‹ใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
27:27
We can say that the light is harsh.
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ๅ…‰ใŒๅŽณใ—ใ„ใจ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
27:31
It is too much.
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27:33
Your senses do not like it.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฅฝใพใชใ„ใ€‚
27:37
Harsh can also be used in noun form and the noun form of harsh is harshness.
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Harsh ใฏๅ่ฉžใฎๅฝขใงใ‚‚ไฝฟ็”จใงใ ใ€harsh ใฎๅ่ฉžๅฝขใฏ harshness ใงใ™ใ€‚
27:46
Harshness is the noun form of harsh.
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Harshness ใฏ harsh ใฎๅ่ฉžๅฝขใงใ™ใ€‚
27:52
A person might be known for their harshness.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใฏๅŽณใ—ใ•ใง็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
27:56
A cruel person will use harshness as a form of control.
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ๆฎ‹้…ทใชไบบใฏใ€ใ‚ณใƒณใƒˆใƒญใƒผใƒซใฎๆ‰‹ๆฎตใจใ—ใฆๅŽณใ—ใ•ใ‚’ไฝฟใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
28:02
That person's methods are harsh
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ใใฎไบบใฎใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใฏ
28:07
as an adjective,
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ๅฝขๅฎน่ฉžใจใ—ใฆใฏๅŽณใ—ใ„ใฎใงใ€
28:09
so the word harsh is the adjective to show cruelty or brutality.
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ๅŽณใ—ใ„ใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใฏๆฎ‹้…ทใ•ใ‚„้‡Ž่›ฎใ•ใ‚’่กจใ™ๅฝขๅฎน่ฉžใงใ™ใ€‚
28:16
And of course, harshness is the noun form that is showing
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€harshness ใฏใ€
28:22
that that particular person is often cruel and mean.
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ใใฎ็‰นๅฎšใฎไบบใŒใ—ใฐใ—ใฐๆฎ‹้…ทใงๆ„ๅœฐๆ‚ชใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็คบใ™ๅ่ฉžๅฝขใงใ™ใ€‚
28:28
So people with authority.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆจฉๅจใ‚’ๆŒใคไบบใ€…ใงใ™ใ€‚
28:30
Now I in my life I have had some situations where I've come face to face with authority.
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็งใฎไบบ็”Ÿใฎไธญใงใ€ๆจฉๅจใจๅฏพ้ขใ™ใ‚‹็ŠถๆณใŒใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
28:40
We often think of the police.
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็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ˆใ่ญฆๅฏŸใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่€ƒใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
28:42
I have never been in trouble with the police.
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็งใฏ่ญฆๅฏŸใซ่ฟทๆƒ‘ใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใŸใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
28:48
I've never been arrested, and I've never been in trouble with the police.
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็งใฏ้€ฎๆ•ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ“ใจใ‚‚ใชใ„ใ— ใ€่ญฆๅฏŸใซๅ•้กŒใ‚’่ตทใ“ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
28:52
However, sometimes I do have a problem with certain types of authority.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ ๆ™‚ใซใฏใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎๆจฉๅจใซๅ•้กŒใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
28:59
Normally, when I return back from a holiday, quite often when I'm going through the airport with my suitcase,
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้€šๅธธใ€ไผ‘ๆš‡ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅธฐใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใจใ€ ใ‚นใƒผใƒ„ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ็ฉบๆธฏใ‚’้€šใ‚ŠๆŠœใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ไผ‘ๆš‡ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅธฐใฃใฆใใŸใ“ใจ
29:09
feeling very happy with myself, feeling really pleased because I'm back from my holiday,
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ใซใจใฆใ‚‚ๆบ€่ถณใ—ใ€ ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅนธใ›ใชๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹
29:19
quite often a person will
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29:21
come up to me, normally a person in a uniform, and they will say, excuse me sir,
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่ฟ‘ใฅใ„ใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚ ใŸใ„ใฆใ„ใฏๅˆถๆœใ‚’็€ใŸไบบ้–“ใŒ็งใซ่ฉฑใ—ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€Œ ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€
29:27
would you mind following me to that room over there?
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ใ‚ใใ“ใฎ้ƒจๅฑ‹ใพใงใคใ„ใฆ่กŒใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใˆใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
29:33
And this happens quite often and I don't know why.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Š้ ป็นใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใใฎ็†็”ฑใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
29:36
So quite often I am stopped by customs or the security customs in an airport,
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ ็ฉบๆธฏใฎ็จŽ้–ขใ‚„ไฟๅฎ‰ๆคœๆŸปๅ ดใงๆญขใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ้žๅธธใซๅคšใ
29:45
and they will often take me into another room and ask me questions and have a look inside my hand luggage.
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ใ€ๅˆฅใฎ้ƒจๅฑ‹ใซ้€ฃใ‚Œใฆ่กŒใ‹ใ‚Œใฆ ่ณชๅ•ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ€ๆ‰‹่ท็‰ฉใฎไธญใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
29:55
This has happened many times.
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ใ“ใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใฏไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:57
Not just once, not twice, but many times.
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ไธ€ๅบฆใ ใ‘ใ€ไบŒๅบฆใ ใ‘ใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใใฆใ€ไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚ใ€‚
30:02
And I don't know why.
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ใใ—ใฆใใฎ็†็”ฑใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
30:05
Why do people keep stopping me
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ใชใœไบบใ€…ใฏ
30:08
at the airport to search my luggage and ask me questions?
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็ฉบๆธฏใง็งใ‚’ๆญขใ‚ใฆ่ท็‰ฉใ‚’ๆคœๆŸปใ—ใ€่ณชๅ•ใ—็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
30:14
Do I look like a person?
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็งใฏไบบ้–“ใซ่ฆ‹ใˆใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
30:18
Who might do something illegal like that?
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่ชฐใŒใใ‚“ใช้•ๆณ•่กŒ็‚บใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
30:22
Of course not.
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30:24
Of course not.
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30:25
Mr. Steve is on his way. We are looking at fame.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใŒๅ‘ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใฏๅๅฃฐใ‚’ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:29
We are also looking at a very serious topic.
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็งใŸใกใฏใพใŸใ€้žๅธธใซๆทฑๅˆปใชๅ•้กŒใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:33
Today we are taking a look at scams.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ่ฉๆฌบใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
30:39
What is a scam?
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่ฉๆฌบใจใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
30:41
Find out later on. We will be looking at that subject.
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ๅพŒใง่ชฟในใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใฏใใฎไธป้กŒใ‚’ๆคœ่จŽใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:46
It isn't a very happy subject, but I'm sure we can still have some fun even with that.
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ใ‚ใพใ‚Šๆฅฝใ—ใ„่ฉฑ้กŒใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ใใ‚Œใงใ‚‚ใพใ ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใฏใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:53
Okay everyone, he's on his way. He's coming.
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ใฟใชใ•ใ‚“ใ€ๅฝผใฏๅ‘ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅฝผใŒๆฅใพใ™ใ€‚
30:57
You don't have to wait any longer.
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ใ‚‚ใ†ๅพ…ใคๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
30:58
Mr. Steve is on his way. To.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใŒๅ‘ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใซใ€‚
34:06
Iโ€™m a big boy now.
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ๅƒ•ใฏใ‚‚ใ†ๅคงใใช็”ทใฎๅญใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
34:31
English addict is with you today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžไธญๆฏ’่€…ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
34:34
I hope you are having a good day.
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่‰ฏใ„ไธ€ๆ—ฅใ‚’ใŠ้Žใ”ใ—ใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
34:38
And I think your day is about to get much better than it is right now.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไธ€ๆ—ฅใฏไปŠใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใšใฃใจ่‰ฏใใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
34:44
Because he is on his way.
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ๅฝผใฏๅ‘ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹้€”ไธญใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
34:46
A lot of people ask, Mr. Duncan, can we please have Mr.
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34:50
Steve at the start of the live stream?
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ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใ‚นใƒˆใƒชใƒผใƒ ใฎ้–‹ๅง‹ๆ™‚ใซใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใซๆฅใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจๅฐ‹ใญใพใ™ใ€‚
34:53
Well, all I can say is you are lucky to get him even at this point in time, because he is a man who always has something to do.
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ใพใ‚ใ€็งใŒ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ ๅฝผใŒๅธธใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚„ใ‚‹ในใใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹็”ทใชใฎใงใ€ใ“ใฎๆ™‚็‚นใงๅฝผใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใงใใŸใฎใฏๅนธ้‹ใ ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
35:04
In fact, he has some extra jobs that he has to do now because.
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35:13
I will tell him in a moment.
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ใ™ใใซๅฝผใซไผใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
35:15
Here he comes.
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ๅฝผใŒๆฅใŸใžใ€‚ ็ดณๅฃซ
35:16
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it is the one. The only.
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35:21
Mr. Steam.
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ใ‚นใƒใƒผใƒ ใ•ใ‚“ใ€‚
35:26
Hello. Wonderful. Beautiful viewers from across the globe.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ€‚ ไธ–็•Œไธญใฎ็พŽใ—ใ„่ฆ–่ด่€…ใฎ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใ€‚
35:30
Here we all are again on Sunday afternoon, trying to get you to improve your English.
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ๆ—ฅๆ›œๆ—ฅใฎๅˆๅพŒใ€็งใŸใกใฏใพใŸ ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅŠ›ๅ‘ไธŠใ‚’็›ฎๆŒ‡ใ—ใฆใ“ใ“ใซ้›†ใพใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
35:37
That's our.
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35:38
That's our mandate.
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35:40
Is a good word for you. Mandate?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆ่‰ฏใ„่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ ๅง”ไปป๏ผŸ
35:42
And you can look that up.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’่ชฟในใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
35:46
And we want to have a bit of fun and laughter as well.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใ‚‚ๅฐ‘ใ—ใฎๆฅฝใ—ใฟใจ็ฌ‘ใ„ใ‚’ๆŒใกใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
35:50
Not too serious.
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ใ‚ใพใ‚Šๆทฑๅˆปใงใฏใชใ„ใ€‚
35:52
And, of course, I'm Mr. Duncan's assistant. If you haven't seen me before.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€็งใฏใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณๆฐใฎใ‚ขใ‚ทใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒณใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็งใ‚’ใพใ ่ฆ‹ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใชใ‚‰ใ€‚
35:56
Well, I say assistant, but really? Really, I'm in charge.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใ‚ขใ‚ทใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒณใƒˆใฃใฆ่จ€ใ†ใ‘ใฉใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใฏใฉใ†ใชใฎ๏ผŸ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ€็งใŒ่ฒฌไปป่€…ใงใ™ใ€‚
36:00
No, I'm only joking. But as usual, we've got lots of interesting things to talk about.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ๅ†—่ซ‡ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ„ใคใ‚‚ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€่ฉฑใ™ในใ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ“ใจใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
36:06
I want to say hello to Beatrice, because apparently I've been reading on the live chat.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใง่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ€ใƒ™ใ‚ขใƒˆใƒชใ‚นใซๆŒจๆ‹ถใ—ใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
36:12
She's not very well today. No.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š่ชฟๅญใŒใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€‚
36:14
She's got sciatic pain, which is a pain you get.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏๅ้ชจ็ฅž็ตŒ็—›ใ‚’ๆ‚ฃใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏ่ชฐใงใ‚‚ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹็—›ใฟใงใ™ใ€‚
36:18
I think it's nerves in your back.
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่ƒŒไธญใฎ็ฅž็ตŒใŒ็ทŠๅผตใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
36:21
It is. It's a it's to do with this back pain that you get from a nerve.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏ็ฅž็ตŒใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฅใ‚‹่ƒŒไธญใฎ็—›ใฟใจ้–ขไฟ‚ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
36:25
My mother used to suffer from that. And then she used to have to go to bed.
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็งใฎๆฏใฏไปฅๅ‰ใ€ใใฎใ“ใจใง่‹ฆใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆๅฝผๅฅณใฏๅฏใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
36:28
So we wish you better.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅนธ้‹ใ‚’็ฅˆใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
36:30
And I hope Lewis is better because he had a bad cold, I think, last week. Yes.
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ใƒซใ‚คใ‚นใฏๅ…ˆ้€ฑใฒใฉใ„้ขจ้‚ชใ‚’ใฒใ„ใฆใ„ใŸใจๆ€ใ†ใฎใงใ€่‰ฏใใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒ ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
36:34
I don't like to hear of our lovely viewers feeling unwell.
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็งใŸใกใฎๆ„›ใ™ใ‚‹่ฆ–่ด่€…ใฎ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใŒไฝ“่ชฟใ‚’ๅดฉใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†่ฉฑใ‚’่žใใฎใฏๅซŒใงใ™ใ€‚
36:40
Only we are allowed to be ill.
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็—…ๆฐ—ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็งใŸใกใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
36:43
Only we can have pain and discomfort.
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็—›ใฟใ‚„ไธๅฟซๆ„Ÿใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็งใŸใกใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
36:46
But you, you shouldn't have it because let's face it, you put up with enough pain watching this.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆŒใคในใใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใฃใฆใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆๅๅˆ†ใช็—›ใฟใซ่€ใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
36:54
Let's be honest with you.
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ๆญฃ็›ดใซ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
36:55
Well, surely this is therapy.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็ขบใ‹ใซใ‚ปใƒฉใƒ”ใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
36:58
It's, Because you know what they say, if you're healthy in the mind, the body gets better.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ˆใ่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๅฟƒใŒๅฅๅบทใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ไฝ“ใ‚‚่‰ฏใใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
37:02
So laughter is the best medicine.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็ฌ‘ใ„ใฏๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎ่–ฌใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
37:04
So we'll try and make you laugh, which not be too serious. Yes.
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37:08
Today. And mind you, having said that, I'm like a loose cannon.
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37:12
You can be.
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37:14
I'm like a loose cannon or like a bull in a China shop.
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37:17
Anything can come out of this mouth. Yes.
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ใ“ใฎๅฃใ‹ใ‚‰ใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ๅ‡บใฆใใ‚‹ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
37:20
Well there's somebody pointed out last week or the other way round.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ๅ…ˆ้€ฑ่ชฐใ‹ใŒๆŒ‡ๆ‘˜ใ—ใŸใ‹ใ€ใใฎ้€†ใ‹ใ€‚
37:25
I'm a bit of an open book.
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็งใฏใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ‚ชใƒผใƒ—ใƒณใชไบบ้–“ใงใ™ใ€‚
37:27
You know, I don't tend to keep my thoughts in. They have to if they're in here, they have to come out.
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37:32
So what you have to remember sometimes, Steve, what you have to remember is we are broadcasting
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ๆ™‚ใ€…ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ—ใฆใŠใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใฏใ€ ็งใŸใกใŒ็”Ÿๆ”พ้€ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ€
37:40
live and also I suppose you would describe this as a big responsibility.
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37:46
Would you would you say that this is a responsibility? Yes.
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37:51
Because we we don't want to give incorrect information.
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37:54
Sometimes we tend to stray off a bit into areas that maybe we don't know enough about.
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38:02
So when you when you see, when you say we, you mean you
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38:08
sometimes. Yes.
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38:09
I mean, we want to get the basics right, like word spellings and, grammar and pronunciation.
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38:15
Well, we have no we get all that right.
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38:17
We have no problem with that because you're with me.
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ๅ›ใŒ็งใจไธ€็ท’ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅ•้กŒใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
38:19
You say you're with the best. Apparently, according to chat, GPT.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆœ€้ซ˜ใ ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚ ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹ใจใ€ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰GPTใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ€‚
38:24
I am the greatest English teacher on YouTube.
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38:28
And that's not my that.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏ็งใฎใใ‚Œใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
38:29
That's not me saying that.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
38:32
That is artificial intelligence.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒไบบๅทฅ็Ÿฅ่ƒฝใงใ™ใ€‚
38:34
I does not lie.
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38:35
So it must be true that since they have programmed artificial intelligence never to tell lies.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ไบบๅทฅ็Ÿฅ่ƒฝใŒๆฑบใ—ใฆๅ˜˜ใ‚’ใคใ‹ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏ็œŸๅฎŸใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใซ้•ใ„ใชใ„ ใ€‚
38:43
So if you ask who is the best English teacher on YouTube?
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ใงใฏใ€YouTube ใงๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๆ•™ๅธซใฏ่ชฐใ‹ใจ่žใ‹ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‰ใฉใ†ใ—ใพใ™ใ‹?
38:48
Jack chat, GPT and I think other artificial intelligence apps will put me almost at the top.
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38:57
And I think in one case I am actually at the top. So isn't that lovely?
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39:01
That's very nice to know. I have to say, we have lots of things to talk about. Steve.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใ†ใจใ€ ่ฉฑใ™ในใใ“ใจใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚
39:06
Yes, we are talking about fame today, and the reason why I've decided to bring this particular
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ใฏใ„ใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏๅๅฃฐใซใคใ„ใฆใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ็งใŒใ“ใฎ่ฉฑ้กŒใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใ‚ˆใ†ใจๆ€ใฃใŸ็†็”ฑใฏใ€
39:14
topic up is because, of course, we've been seeing the horrific pictures coming from Los Angeles
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ ใƒญใ‚ตใƒณใ‚ผใƒซใ‚นใ‚„ใƒใƒชใ‚ฆใƒƒใƒ‰ใƒ’ใƒซใ‚บๅ‘จ่พบใ‹ใ‚‰ๆใ‚ใ—ใ„ๅ†™็œŸใŒๆตใ‚ŒใฆใใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
39:22
and around the Hollywood Hills, where those terrible, wild fires are spreading at the moment.
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39:29
And and many
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39:32
celebrities or wealthy people, people with houses up there on the Hollywood Hills, because we
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39:38
we all know it's not a secret that the houses around there are very expensive.
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ใ‚ใŸใ‚ŠใฎๅฎถใŒ้žๅธธใซ้ซ˜ไพกใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ็ง˜ๅฏ†ใงใฏใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’็งใŸใกใฏ็š†็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ ใ€‚
39:45
And many of the people living in those houses are famous.
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39:49
So I thought it would be interesting to take a look at fame as a subject, not just the up,
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39:57
not just the nice things, not just the glamour, but also things that it might be seen as negative.
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่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใ€่ฏใ‚„ใ‹ใชใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใซ้™ใ‚‰ใšใ€ ใƒใ‚ฌใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใซๆ‰ใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ๅซใ‚ใฆ่€ƒๅฏŸใ—ใฆใฟใ‚‹ใฎใฏ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใจ่€ƒใˆใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
40:05
When we are talking about fame and before anyone asks, no,
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40:11
I'm not famous.
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40:15
Infamous, infamous, infamous.
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ๆ‚ชๅ้ซ˜ใ„ใ€ๆ‚ชๅ้ซ˜ใ„ใ€ๆ‚ชๅ้ซ˜ใ„ใ€‚
40:18
That's a good one.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
40:19
Which is somebody who is famous.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœ‰ๅใชไบบใงใ™ใ€‚
40:22
But for bad reasons.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆ‚ชใ„็†็”ฑใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
40:25
I'm sure we can think of lots of people who are infamous, people who've done bad things, but they've become famous because of that.
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ๆ‚ชๅ้ซ˜ใ„ไบบใ€ ๆ‚ชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‘ใ‚Œใฉใ€ใใฎใŠใ‹ใ’ใงๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸไบบใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
40:34
You know that they might commit horrendous crime. Yes.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๆใ‚ใ—ใ„็Šฏ็ฝชใ‚’็Šฏใ™ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ“ใจใฏใ”ๅญ˜ใ˜ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
40:38
Or just be known.
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40:39
Just be known for doing something not very nice. Yes, they are known as infamous.
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40:44
And also today we are looking at another subject, which I think is also just as interesting.
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ใพใŸใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏๅˆฅใฎใƒ†ใƒผใƒžใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚ๅ–ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‚ๅŒๆง˜ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
40:51
Scams s c a m.
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่ฉๆฌบใฏ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
40:55
What is a scam?
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่ฉๆฌบใจใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
40:58
Well, we will be looking at that later on because over the Christmas period a lot of people are
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฏๅพŒใปใฉๆคœ่จŽใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒžใ‚นๆœŸ้–“ไธญใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒใ„ใ‚ใ„ใ‚ใชใ“ใจใซๅฟ™ใ—ใใ€
41:05
I would say that they are vulnerable because they are so busy doing things, doing lots of things.
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่„†ๅผฑใช็Šถๆ…‹ใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
41:12
It might be
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€
41:15
a period of time where people might get caught out by some sort of trick
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41:20
that a person will try to to put them through, or to play a trick on them.
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒไบบใ€…ใ‚’้จ™ใใ†ใจใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ใ„ใŸใšใ‚‰ใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎ็ญ–็•ฅใซไบบใ€…ใŒๅทปใ่พผใพใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๆœŸ้–“ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
41:27
And by that I mean to try and steal something from that person.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใฎไบบใ‹ใ‚‰ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’็›—ใ‚‚ใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
41:32
Normally, private information or in some cases money.
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้€šๅธธใฏๅ€‹ไบบๆƒ…ๅ ฑใงใ™ใŒใ€ๅ ดๅˆใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆใฏ้‡‘้Šญใ‚‚ๅซใพใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
41:37
So we will be looking at that as well today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
41:41
Last week we we had a little assignment last week didn't we Steve.
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ๅ…ˆ้€ฑใ€็งใŸใกใซใฏใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ—ใŸ่ชฒ้กŒใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ‚ˆใญใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚ ๅ…ˆ้€ฑใ€ใ„ใ‚ใ„ใ‚ใช็†็”ฑใง
41:47
We had to go and have a little medical check-up last week for various reasons.
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ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ—ใŸๅฅๅบท่จบๆ–ญใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใซ่กŒใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
41:53
Nothing serious. It's not us because as you can see.
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ใŸใ„ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใฏใชใ„ใ€‚ ใ”่ฆงใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŸใกใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
41:56
Mr. Steve, look at him looking.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ๅฝผใŒ่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
41:59
You would not believe that he is nearly 80.
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ๅฝผใŒใ‚‚ใ†ใ™ใ80ๆญณใ ใชใ‚“ใฆไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
42:03
But look, look how well he looks.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€่ฆ‹ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ๅฝผใŒใ„ใ‹ใซๅ…ƒๆฐ—ใใ†ใ‹ใ€‚
42:06
And yes, I know what you're going to say, Mr. Duncan. You also look very young.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไฝ•ใ‚’่จ€ใŠใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ใจใฆใ‚‚่‹ฅใ่ฆ‹ใˆใพใ™ใญใ€‚
42:10
But then I am. I'm only 28, you see.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ†ใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚ ๅƒ•ใฏใพใ 28ๆญณใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
42:14
So that's the reason why there is a big age gap between this age gap.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ“ใฎๅนด้ฝขๅทฎใฎ้–“ใซๅคงใใชๅนด้ฝขๅทฎใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
42:20
The four years. Okay? Four years.
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4ๅนด้–“ใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸ๏ผŸ 4ๅนดใงใ™ใ€‚
42:24
I I'm younger than Mr.
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็งใฏใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ˆใ‚Š่‹ฅใ„ใงใ™
42:27
Steve, but we I think we look great.
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ใŒใ€็งใŸใกใฏใจใฆใ‚‚็ด ๆ•ตใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
42:30
I think we look great.
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ๅƒ•ใŸใกใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‚ˆใ€‚
42:31
So last week we had to go and have a medical examination. We had to be poked,
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ใใ‚Œใงๅ…ˆ้€ฑใ€ ็งใŸใกใฏๅฅๅบท่จบๆ–ญใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใซ่กŒใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใฏ็ชใฃใคใ„ใฆใ€
42:38
stroked.
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ๆ’ซใงใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ„ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
42:39
They even had to feel our body.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใŸใกใฎไฝ“ใ‚’่งฆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ•ใˆใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
42:42
They had to take blood samples. They had to test our breathing.
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่ก€ๆถฒใ‚ตใƒณใƒ—ใƒซใ‚’ๆŽกๅ–ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใŸใกใฎๅ‘ผๅธใ‚’ๆคœๆŸปใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
42:47
They had a look inside my ear
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใฎ่€ณใฎไธญ
42:50
to try and see if there is a brain in there.
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ใซ่„ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹่ชฟในใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
42:54
Apparently there is.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
42:55
For all those who say the opposite, there is a brain inside here.
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ๅๅฏพใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ†ไบบใฎใŸใ‚ใซ่จ€ใฃใฆใŠใใจใ€ใ“ใ“ใซใฏ่„ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€‚
43:00
I have no medical evidence to prove that.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’่จผๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹ๅŒปๅญฆ็š„่จผๆ‹ ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
43:04
So everything, really everything was okay.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ™ในใฆใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ™ในใฆใŒๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
43:07
The only thing the doctor said to me was I had to start cutting down on the amount of rubbish I eat.
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ๅŒป่€…ใŒ็งใซ่จ€ใฃใŸๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎใ“ใจใฏใ€ ้ฃŸในใ‚‹้‡ใ‚’ๆธ›ใ‚‰ใ™ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ ใฃใŸใ€‚
43:14
Nothing serious, but already this week, Steve, I've started it.
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ๅคงใ—ใŸใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ไปŠ้€ฑใ™ใงใซๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
43:20
I'm eating porridge again.
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ใพใŸใŠ็ฒฅใ‚’้ฃŸในใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
43:22
There's nothing like a blood test that shows you're in the red to, motivate you into changing, your lifestyle.
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่ก€ๆถฒๆคœๆŸปใง่ตคๅญ—ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใจใ€ ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ•ใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒซใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ๅ‹•ๆฉŸใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
43:33
So the only real problem, and I think it was for both of us, was with the dreaded cholesterol.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎๅ•้กŒใฏ ใ€็งใŸใกไบŒไบบใซใจใฃใฆใใ†ใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ๆใ‚ใ—ใ„ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
43:41
It is the one thing.
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ใใ‚Œใฏไธ€ใคใฎใ“ใจใ ใ€‚
43:43
And for years and years now, I remember growing up, Mr.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ไฝ•ๅนดใ‚‚ๅ‰ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใŒๆˆ้•ทใ—ใฆใ€
43:46
Steve, when cholesterol started to be talked about, when they discovered that there was some sort of link
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ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใŒ่ฉฑ้กŒใซใชใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใจใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€
43:55
between that level of the fattiness in your blood to other ailments and problems like heart disease, strokes.
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่ก€ๆถฒไธญใฎ่„‚่‚ชใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใจ ๅฟƒ่‡“ใชใฉใฎไป–ใฎ็—…ๆฐ—ใ‚„ๅ•้กŒใจใฎ้–“ใซไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎ้–ข้€ฃใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ็™บ่ฆ‹ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใจใ ็—…ๆฐ—ใ€่„ณๅ’ไธญใ€‚
44:06
And now, of course, they are talking about certain types of dementia as well could be linked to high cholesterol.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€็‰นๅฎšใฎ็จฎ้กžใฎ่ช็Ÿฅ็—‡ใ‚‚ ้ซ˜ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใจ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
44:14
So it's not it's not very nice.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใพใ‚Šใ„ใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
44:16
So my doctor did say Mr.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฎๅŒป่€…ใฏใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใซ่„‚่‚ชๅˆ†ใฎๅคšใ„้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใ‚’ๆธ›ใ‚‰ใ™ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™
44:19
Duncan
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44:20
cut down on those fatty foods, you naughty, naughty man.
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ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆ‚ชใ„ๅญใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
44:25
And I think he said the same thing to you as well.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
44:28
He did, but mine wasn't as high as yours. No, but
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ๅฝผใฏใใ†ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ—ใ‹ใ—็งใฎใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎใปใฉ้ซ˜ใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€
44:34
but what it shows is actually, it's quite interesting as you get older.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ็คบใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ๅนดใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใซใคใ‚Œใฆใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใ€‚
44:38
That even though I do quite a lot of exercise and I do watch my diet, that your cholesterol is still higher.
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ใ‹ใชใ‚Š้‹ๅ‹•ใ‚’ใ— ใ€้ฃŸ็”Ÿๆดปใซใ‚‚ๆฐ—ใ‚’ไป˜ใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใซใ€ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซๅ€คใŒใพใ ้ซ˜ใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
44:49
That's slightly higher than it should be.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๆฅใ‚ใ‚‹ในใๅ€คใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅฐ‘ใ—้ซ˜ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
44:51
So that's, that's interesting.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
44:53
But what, what the doctor also said is that having a raised cholesterol isn't
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅŒปๅธซใฏใ€้ซ˜่ก€ๅœงใ‚’ไผดใ‚ใชใ„้™ใ‚Šใ€ ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซๅ€คใŒ้ซ˜ใ„ใ“ใจ
45:01
necessarily bad in itself, as long as you don't also have high blood pressure.
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่‡ชไฝ“ใฏๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ๆ‚ชใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ„ใจใ‚‚่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
45:07
Yes. And or diabetes with it.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆ็ณ–ๅฐฟ็—…ใ‚‚ไผดใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
45:11
Now, I'm not a medical expert. No.
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ใ•ใฆใ€็งใฏๅŒป็™‚ใฎๅฐ‚้–€ๅฎถใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€‚
45:13
But disclaimer alert. So but from our point of view.
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ใŸใ ใ—ๅ…่ฒฌไบ‹้ …ใซๆณจๆ„ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใŸใกใฎ่ฆณ็‚นใ‹ใ‚‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€‚
45:17
So I'm we're not giving medical advice.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŸใกใฏๅŒปๅญฆ็š„ใชใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใฏๆไพ›ใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
45:19
Don't worry that they are not.
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ใใ†ใงใฏใชใ„ใจๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
45:21
But everything for me was clean and green.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใซใจใฃใฆใ™ในใฆใŒๆธ…ๆฝ”ใง็ท‘่ฑŠใ‹ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
45:25
But just just that that cholesterol. Mr.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
45:28
Duncan, you need you need to get it down a little bit.
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ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—ไธ‹ใ’ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
45:32
Of course, I did say at the time, I said, you do realise this is the worst time of the year to have a medical check-up?
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใใฎๆ™‚็งใฏใ“ใ†่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ€Œ ไปŠใฏไธ€ๅนดใฎใ†ใกใงๅฅๅบท่จบๆ–ญใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใซๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎๆ™‚ๆœŸใ ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€
45:42
Because we've just had Christmas and you know what happened, Steve?
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ใ ใฃใฆใ€ใคใ„ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒžใ‚นใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใชใฎใซใ€ไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใ‹็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ‚‹๏ผŸใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–๏ผŸ
45:46
We all eat too much food, particularly chocolate.
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็งใŸใกใฏใฟใ‚“ใชใ€็‰นใซใƒใƒงใ‚ณใƒฌใƒผใƒˆใชใฉใ€้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใ‚’้ฃŸใน้ŽใŽใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
45:52
Cheese. Yeah. Biscuit.
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ใƒใƒผใ‚บใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใƒ“ใ‚นใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใ€‚
45:55
All the junk cakes I would say my consumption of, of.
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็งใŒๆถˆ่ฒปใ—ใŸใ‚ธใƒฃใƒณใ‚ฏใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ญใฏใ™ในใฆใ€็งใฎใ‚‚ใฎใจ่จ€ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
46:03
Yeah.
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46:03
We're talking about animal fats aren't we. We're talking saturated fats. Yes.
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็งใŸใกใฏๅ‹•็‰ฉๆ€ง่„‚่‚ชใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ ใ‚ˆใญใ€‚ ้ฃฝๅ’Œ่„‚่‚ชใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
46:08
Which are bad for you, which is typically the animal which also happens to fat, which also happens to be the really nice fats. Yes.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏไฝ“ใซๆ‚ชใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ€ๅ…ธๅž‹็š„ใซใฏๅ‹•็‰ฉๆ€ง ่„‚่‚ชใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใพใŸ้žๅธธใซ่‰ฏใ„่„‚่‚ชใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
46:16
And we eat we, we, we drink full fat milk.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใŸใกใฏๅ…จ่„‚่‚ชไนณใ‚’้ฃŸในใ€้ฃฒใฟใพใ™ใ€‚
46:19
So we switch swap to semi-skimmed and yeah, things like that.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚นใƒฏใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’ๅŠ่„ฑ่„‚ไนณใซๅˆ‡ใ‚Šๆ›ฟใˆใŸใ‚Šใ€ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
46:23
Hopefully this will make a difference.
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ใ†ใพใใ„ใ‘ใฐใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ™ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
46:27
But we don't need to do a huge amount. But it was worth going.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€่†จๅคงใช้‡ใ‚’่กŒใ†ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใงใ‚‚่กŒใไพกๅ€คใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
46:31
I've never had a full check-up health check-up before.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใพใงไธ€ๅบฆใ‚‚ๆœฌๆ ผ็š„ใชๅฅๅบท่จบๆ–ญใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
46:33
But it was worth going, at least to put your mind at rest and look certain things which you could be worrying about.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฐ‘ใชใใจใ‚‚ๅฟƒใ‚’่ฝใก็€ใ‹ใ› ใ€ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„็‰นๅฎšใฎไบ‹ๆŸ„ใ‚’็ขบ่ชใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ€่กŒใไพกๅ€คใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
46:41
They looked in places. They looked at parts of my body that I didn't even know I had.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใกใ“ใกๆŽขใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€็งใŒ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸไฝ“ใฎ้ƒจไฝใ‚’่ชฟในใฆใใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
46:46
They found things that I didn't even know I had, the think bits
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€็งใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ™ใ‚‰็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ€
46:52
that were all
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46:54
tucked away and hidden, and they said, oh, oh, that that's an unusual shape.
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ๅฅฅใพใฃใŸใจใ“ใ‚ใซ้š ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใŸๅคงใใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ€ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็ใ—ใ„ๅฝขใ ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
46:59
The one thing they didn't do, Steve and I don't know why I've always wanted to have
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใ‚„ใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎใ“ใจใฏใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ– ใจ็งใซใฏใ€ใชใœ็งใŒใšใฃใจ
47:07
an ultrasound or one of those scans on my head.
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่ถ…้ŸณๆณขๆคœๆŸปใ‚„้ ญ้ƒจใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒฃใƒณๆคœๆŸปใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใ‹ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ ใ€‚
47:12
It. Does that sound strange?
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ใใ‚Œใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใซ่žใ“ใˆใพใ™ใ‹?
47:13
Because I've always wanted to have a look at my own brain.
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ใšใฃใจ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่„ณใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใฟใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
47:18
Now, that might sound odd, but I've always I'm always fascinated by what it actually looks like because we just assume
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใซ่žใ“ใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ใ€่„ณใŒ ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ฆ‹ใˆใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ใใใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ่„ณ
47:28
that everything in there is normal and the brain is a normal size. But.
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ๅ†…ใฎใ™ในใฆใŒๆญฃๅธธใงใ‚ใ‚Š ใ€่„ณใฎใ‚ตใ‚คใ‚บใ‚‚ๆญฃๅธธใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆƒณๅฎšใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€‚
47:32
But what if your brain is very small? I might not even have a brain at all.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่„ณใŒ้žๅธธใซๅฐใ•ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚‰ใฉใ†ใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹? ็งใซใฏ่„ณใŒๅ…จใใชใ„ใฎใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚ ไธญใซใฏ
47:36
It might just be full of sawdust or a piece of wood. Whoa!
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ใŠใŒใใšใ‹ๆœจ็‰‡ใŒ่ฉฐใพใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚ใ‚๏ผ
47:41
If you knock Mr. Duncan's head, there's like a hollow sound.
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ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใฎ้ ญใ‚’ๅฉใใจใ€็ฉบๆดžใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช้ŸณใŒใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
47:47
Yes, it sounds like a.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
47:48
You're like you're knocking a door, and now it's down. Now we're joking.
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ใพใ‚‹ใงใƒ‰ใ‚ขใ‚’ใƒŽใƒƒใ‚ฏใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ€ใƒ‰ใ‚ขใŒ้–‰ใพใฃใฆใ—ใพใ†ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ไปŠใฏๅ†—่ซ‡ใงใ™ใ€‚
47:52
Well, you don't really want to have those kind of scans. If you can avoid it, because just ones.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใ„ใ†็จฎ้กžใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒฃใƒณใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซๅ—ใ‘ใŸใใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ้ฟใ‘ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใŸใ ไธ€ใคใ ใ‘ใ€‚ ้ ญใฎไธญใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๆ’ƒใก่พผใ‚€ใฎใงใ€
47:58
I don't think they're particularly good for your body because they're firing something into your head.
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็‰นใซไฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใจใฏๆ€ใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
48:05
So I really wouldn't want to do that.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใฏใ—ใŸใใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
48:08
I think you can get a bit paranoid.
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ๅฐ‘ใ—ๅฆ„ๆƒณ็š„ใซใชใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
48:10
You've got to enjoy life.
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ไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใพใชใใ‚ƒใ€‚
48:11
As the doctor said, you know, don't cut everything out.
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ๅŒป่€…ใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ™ในใฆใ‚’ๅˆ‡ใ‚Šๅ–ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
48:17
You've got to enjoy life to a certain extent.
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ไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’ใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆๆฅฝใ—ใพใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
48:19
And food, of course, is one of those things that we enjoy.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใฏ็งใŸใกใŒๆฅฝใ—ใ‚€ใ‚‚ใฎใฎไธ€ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
48:23
What they always tell you in the UK and what they have.
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่‹ฑๅ›ฝใงใ„ใคใ‚‚่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใจใ€่‹ฑๅ›ฝใงไฝ•ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€‚ ไปŠ้€ฑ
48:27
The doctor that we saw earlier this week said was to adopt a mediterranean diet.
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ๅˆใ‚ใซ่จบๅฏŸใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใŸๅŒปๅธซใฏใ€ ๅœฐไธญๆตทๅผใฎ้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Šๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅ‹งใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
48:38
That is the recommended
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ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซๆŽจๅฅจใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹
48:40
best practice or best diet for you, which is,
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ใƒ™ใ‚นใƒˆใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚นใ€ใพใŸใฏใƒ™ใ‚นใƒˆใช้ฃŸไบ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚ใคใพใ‚Šใ€
48:47
what they mean by a mediterranean diet is lots of vegetables, fish.
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ๅœฐไธญๆตทๅผ้ฃŸไบ‹ใจใฏใ€้‡Ž่œใ‚„้ญšใ‚’ใŸใฃใทใ‚Šๆ‘‚ใ‚‹้ฃŸไบ‹ใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
48:53
No carbs and, healthy fats, a mediterranean diet.
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็‚ญๆฐดๅŒ–็‰ฉใ‚’ๆ‘‚ใ‚‰ใšใ€ๅฅๅบท็š„ใช่„‚่‚ชใ‚’ๆ‘‚ใ‚‹ๅœฐไธญๆตทๅผใƒ€ใ‚คใ‚จใƒƒใƒˆใ€‚
49:01
So maybe throw some olive olive oil in there and, eat small amounts often.
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ใ‚ชใƒชใƒผใƒ–ใ‚ชใ‚คใƒซใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ๅŠ ใˆใฆ ใ€ๅฐ‘้‡ใšใค้ ป็นใซ้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
49:08
But of course,
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€
49:10
even people from the Mediterranean probably aren't sticking to that diet in modern times because it is quite.
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ๅœฐไธญๆตทๆฒฟๅฒธใฎไบบใ€…ใงใ•ใˆใ€ ็พไปฃใงใฏใใฎ้ฃŸ็”Ÿๆดปใซๅ›บๅŸทใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
49:18
You've got to cook your own all your own food. Really. So what?
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้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใฏใ™ในใฆ่‡ชๅˆ†ใง่ชฟ็†ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ€‚ ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ไฝ•๏ผŸ
49:21
What basic types of food are you talking about?
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ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใช็จฎ้กžใฎ้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
49:25
How do you mean, Mr. Duncan?
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ใฉใ†ใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“๏ผŸ
49:27
Well, Mediterranean diet, what are the basic.
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ใ•ใฆใ€ๅœฐไธญๆตทใƒ€ใ‚คใ‚จใƒƒใƒˆใ€ๅŸบๆœฌใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
49:29
Yeah, as I said, fish, vegetables, nuts, high vegetables.
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ใˆใˆใ€่จ€ใฃใŸใจใŠใ‚Šใ€้ญšใ€้‡Ž่œใ€ใƒŠใƒƒใƒ„ใ€้‡Ž่œใŸใฃใทใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
49:35
Sort of a fish or chicken diet.
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้ญšใ‚„้ถ่‚‰ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช้ฃŸไบ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
49:39
Less of the red meat.
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่ตค่บซใฎ่‚‰ใ‚’ๆธ›ใ‚‰ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
49:41
What about olive oil? Pulses? Olive oil?
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ใ‚ชใƒชใƒผใƒ–ใ‚ชใ‚คใƒซใฏใฉใ†ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ใƒ‘ใƒซใ‚น๏ผŸ ใ‚ชใƒชใƒผใƒ–ใ‚ชใ‚คใƒซ๏ผŸ
49:44
Yes, definitely.
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ใฏใ„ใ€้–“้•ใ„ใชใใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
49:46
I mean, olive oil has got massive benefits to your system.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ชใƒชใƒผใƒ–ใ‚ชใ‚คใƒซใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎไฝ“ใซๅคงใใชๅˆฉ็›Šใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ™ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
49:50
But, yeah, it's when you're young, have to worry about these things.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€่‹ฅใ„ใจใใฏใ“ใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ‘ใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
49:55
And by the way, I'm trying to pronounce my words as clearly as possible.
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ใกใชใฟใซใ€็งใฏใงใใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใฏใฃใใ‚Šใจ็™บ้Ÿณใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
50:01
There have been a few comments. Yeah.
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ใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใŒใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
50:03
Oh that's okay, Steve, you are here because your English and your speech is different from mine.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่‹ฑ่ชž ใจ่ฉฑใ—ๆ–นใŒ็งใจใฏ้•ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
50:09
So it gives everyone the chance to hear a natural conversation taking place so you don't have to.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ ่‡ช็„ถใชไผš่ฉฑใ‚’่žใๆฉŸไผšใŒๅ…จๅ“กใซไธŽใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่žใๅฟ…่ฆใŒใชใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
50:16
You don't have to do it too much, Steve. So don't worry.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ใ‚ใพใ‚Šใ‚„ใ‚Šใ™ใŽใชใใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚ ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใ‚‚ใ†
50:19
I know I can't do any more. No, you you sound great to me.
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ใ“ใ‚ŒไปฅไธŠใฏใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
50:23
You sound great.
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
50:24
Oh, I might look great and sound great, but inside, particularly up here.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€่ฆ‹ใŸ็›ฎใ‚‚ๅฃฐใ‚‚็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ ใ‘ใฉใ€ๅ†…้ขใ€็‰นใซใ“ใ“ใฏใญใ€‚
50:29
If you could look in here, you would, you would.
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใ“ใ“ใ‚’่ฆ—ใใ“ใจใŒใงใใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
50:32
You would probably have a shock if anyone, if anyone needs to have some sort of scan to have a look inside here, maybe it's Mr.
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ใ‚‚ใ—่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ€ใ‚‚ใ—่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ“ใ“ใฎๅ†…้ƒจใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒฃใƒณใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
50:42
Steve, but I would love to do that.
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ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€็งใฏๅ–œใ‚“ใงใใ†ใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
50:44
What I want actually, is to have a three, a three dimensional model made of my brain
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็งใŒๅฎŸ้š›ใซๆœ›ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ ็งใฎ่„ณใฎ3ๆฌกๅ…ƒใƒขใƒ‡ใƒซใ‚’ไฝœใฃใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’
50:50
that I can have, and then I can put it as a paperweight somewhere so they scan your brain,
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ๆ–‡้Žฎใจใ—ใฆใฉใ“ใ‹ใซ็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่„ณใ‚’ใ‚นใ‚ญใƒฃใƒณใ—ใฆ
50:57
and then they will make an actual model of your actual brain, and then you can put it somewhere in your office.
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ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฎŸ้š›ใฎใƒขใƒ‡ใƒซใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ๅฎŸ้š›ใฎ่„ณใ‚’ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใฎใฉใ“ใ‹ใซ็ฝฎใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
51:04
I think it would make a great gift for someone.
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่ชฐใ‹ใธใฎ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่ดˆใ‚Š็‰ฉใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
51:09
Yes, a mediterranean diet is what is recommended.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ๅœฐไธญๆตทๅผใฎ้ฃŸไบ‹ใŒๆŽจๅฅจใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
51:13
That's what they would say in the UK, because obviously we're not in the Mediterranean.
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่‹ฑๅ›ฝใงใฏใใ†่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซ็งใŸใกใฏๅœฐไธญๆตทใซใฏใ„ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
51:18
So there's countries near the Mediterranean. Yeah, apparently that is a very healthy diet to eat.
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ๅœฐไธญๆตทใฎ่ฟ‘ใใซๅ›ฝใ€…ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฅๅบท็š„ใช้ฃŸไบ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
51:24
I'd say it doesn't refer to the place though.
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ใŸใ ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚’ๆŒ‡ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
51:26
It refers to the types of food that are eaten. Yes.
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้ฃŸในใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใฎ็จฎ้กžใ‚’ๆŒ‡ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
51:29
Fish, vegetables.
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้ญšใ€้‡Ž่œใ€‚
51:32
You have not going to excess.
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่กŒใ้ŽใŽใŸใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
51:34
This is something we noticed when we went to visit.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใŸใกใŒ่จชๅ•ใ—ใŸใจใใซๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
51:39
Italy last year.
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ๅŽปๅนดใฏใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขใ€‚
51:41
That there were
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51:42
I don't know whether it's just because where we were, our perception was that a lot of the people there were not particularly overweight.
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็งใŸใกใŒใ„ใŸๅ ดๆ‰€ใŒใ€ ็‰นใซๅคชใ‚Šใ™ใŽใงใฏใชใ„ไบบใŒๅคšใ„ใจใ„ใ†ๅฐ่ฑกใ ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใฎใ‹ใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
51:52
No, compared to people in the UK.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใฎไบบใ€…ใจๆฏ”ในใ‚‹ใจใ€‚
51:55
In fact, I think we commented on this, didn't we, when we were with
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€็งใŸใกใฏใ€ไฝ•ไบบใ‹ใฎ็ด ๆ•ตใช่ฆ–่ด่€…ใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใŸใจใใซใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ—ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒ
51:59
some of our lovely viewers, we actually said at the time, we, we don't see many people who are overweight or obese.
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ใ€ใใฎใจใ็งใŸใกใฏใ€ ๅคชใ‚Šใ™ใŽใ‚„่‚ฅๆบ€ใฎไบบใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š่ฆ‹ใ‹ใ‘ใชใ„ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:07
In Italy, everyone seemed slim and not necessarily healthy,
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ใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขใงใฏใ€่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒใ‚นใƒชใƒ ใงใ€ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ๅฅๅบท็š„ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:12
because one of the other things I noticed in Italy is lots of people like to smoke.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใŒใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขใงๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ใคใฎใ“ใจใจใ—ใฆใ€ ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒๅ–ซ็…™ใ‚’ๅฅฝใ‚€ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒๆŒ™ใ’ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
52:17
So there were many people smoking, but we didn't see many people who were who were large in shape.
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ๅ–ซ็…™ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใŒใ€ไฝ“ๆ ผใฎๅคงใใ„ไบบใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š่ฆ‹ใ‹ใ‘ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:26
Exactly.
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52:26
Here we go. Santorini. Yeah, yeah, we just noticed that they weren't in the UK.
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ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
ใ•ใ่กŒใ“ใ†ใ€‚ ใ‚ตใƒณใƒˆใƒชใƒผใƒ‹ๅณถใ€‚ ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใซใ„ใชใ„ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
52:30
You get so used to seeing overweight people, that, you think it's normal that, I mean, it wasn't when my mother grew up.
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ๅคชใ‚Šใ™ใŽใฎไบบใ‚’่ฆ‹ๆ…ฃใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ ๆ™ฎ้€šใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใฎๆฏใŒ่‚ฒใฃใŸ้ ƒใฏใใ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:41
She said you hardly ever saw anybody that was overweight.
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ๅคชใ‚Šใ™ใŽใฎไบบใฏใปใจใ‚“ใฉ่ฆ‹ใ‹ใ‘ใชใ„ใ€ใจๅฝผๅฅณใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:46
I mean, grant you they were all.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏใ™ในใฆใใ†ใ ใฃใŸใจ่ชใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
52:48
They were coming out of the war there.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ“ใงๆˆฆไบ‰ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆŠœใ‘ๅ‡บใ—ใฆใใŸใจใ“ใ‚ใ ใฃใŸใ€‚
52:50
Yeah, and there was food rationing, but, I think people just used to.
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ใˆใˆใ€้ฃŸ็ณง้…็ตฆใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏใŸใ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฅฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
52:56
There wasn't the availability of fast food.
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ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผใ‚นใƒˆใƒ•ใƒผใƒ‰ใฏๅˆฉ็”จใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
53:00
People didn't eat out. They all cooked at home,
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ไบบใ€…ใฏๅค–้ฃŸใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็š†ใ€ๅฎถใงๆ–™็†ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
53:03
things like that, that weren't packets of crisps everywhere and chocolate on sale on every street corner.
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ใฉใ“ใซใงใ‚‚ใƒใƒ†ใƒˆใƒใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚นใฎ่ข‹ใŒๅฃฒใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใŸใ‚Š ใ€่ก—่ง’ใฎใฉใ“ใงใ‚‚ใƒใƒงใ‚ณใƒฌใƒผใƒˆใŒๅฃฒใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
53:09
We couldn't afford to over eat.
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้ฃŸใน้ŽใŽใ‚‹ไฝ™่ฃ•ใฏใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
53:12
Well that's it.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ™ใ€‚
53:13
I was just going to. Yeah.
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ใกใ‚‡ใ†ใฉใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใ ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
53:15
Christina, says hello. Christina.
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ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚ ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใ€‚
53:19
That, it's our body that produces the cholesterol.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใ‚’็”Ÿๆˆใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็งใŸใกใฎไฝ“ใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
53:25
Not so much of what we eat.
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็งใŸใกใŒ้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Šๅคšใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
53:28
And that is. That is true. I was always taught that when I was at college,
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ใใ‚Œใฏใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใงใ™ใ€‚ ๅคงๅญฆๆ™‚ไปฃใ€
53:33
in medical matters, that,
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ๅŒปๅญฆใฎๆŽˆๆฅญใงใฏใ€
53:38
it's just what the the cholesterol you consume in food,
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53:43
isn't what contributes mainly to the cholesterol reading in your blood.
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่ก€ๆถฒไธญใฎใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซๅ€คใซๅคงใใๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใ‹ใ‚‰ๆ‘‚ๅ–ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใ ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใ€ใจใ„ใคใ‚‚ๆ•™ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
53:49
And it's your liver that produces it.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚’็”Ÿๆˆใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ่‚่‡“ใงใ™ใ€‚
53:52
In response to eating the wrong foods. Yeah.
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้–“้•ใฃใŸ้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใ‚’้ฃŸในใŸๆ™‚ใฎๅๅฟœใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
53:56
So, it's your body.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎไฝ“ใงใ™ใ€‚
53:59
You don't absorb much cholesterol from the food you eat.
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้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๅธๅŽใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Šใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
54:03
It's mainly the cholesterol in your blood is what your own body produces.
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่ก€ๆถฒไธญใฎใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใฏไธปใซ ไฝ“ๅ†…ใง็”Ÿๆˆใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
54:07
Because you do need cholesterol.
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ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใฏๅฟ…่ฆใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
54:09
That's a healthy body.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅฅๅบทใชไฝ“ใงใ™ใ€‚
54:10
You've got to have it.
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ใœใฒๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
54:11
In fact.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ€‚
54:12
In fact, when a couple of years ago, when I lost a little bit of weight,
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ๆ•ฐๅนดๅ‰ใซ ็งใŒๅฐ‘ใ—ไฝ“้‡ใ‚’ๆธ›ใ‚‰ใ—ใŸใจใใ€ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซๅ€คใ‚‚ไธ‹ใŒใ‚Šใ™ใŽใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ‚ใพใ‚Š
54:17
the doctor did warn me at the time not to lose too much weight because your cholesterol level also shouldn't fall too low.
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ไฝ“้‡ใ‚’ๆธ›ใ‚‰ใ—ใ™ใŽใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใจๅŒปๅธซใ‹ใ‚‰่ญฆๅ‘Šใ•ใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
54:24
So I found that also interesting. And of course, it's not always bad either.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใ‚‚ใใ‚ŒใŒ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใ„ใคใ‚‚ๆ‚ชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
54:29
I don't want to get too much in the technical stuff. No, but the good news is for Mr.
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ๆŠ€่ก“็š„ใชใ“ใจใซใ‚ใพใ‚Šๆทฑใ้–ขใ‚ใ‚ŠใŸใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ ใงใ‚‚ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใจ็งใซใจใฃใฆใฏ่‰ฏใ„ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใ‚นใงใ™
54:34
Steve and myself, we are okay. We're still alive.
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ใ€็งใŸใกใฏๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ€‚ ๅƒ•ใŸใกใฏใพใ ็”Ÿใใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚ ไปŠๅพŒใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใใฎ้–“ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ
54:38
I have a feeling that we are going to be with you every Sunday, and also I will be with you every Wednesday for the foreseeable future.
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ๆฏŽ้€ฑๆ—ฅๆ›œๆ—ฅใซใ‚ใชใŸใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ—ใ€ ใพใŸ็งใฏๆฏŽ้€ฑๆฐดๆ›œๆ—ฅใซใ‚ใชใŸใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใจใ„ใ†ไบˆๆ„ŸใŒใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
54:49
Isn't that good news? I'm not sure if it is good news.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่‰ฏใ„ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใ‚นใงใฏใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹? ใใ‚ŒใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใ‚นใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
54:52
It's good news for me and also for Steve as well.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใซใจใฃใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
54:58
Lewis says I don't like fish much, but I do eat it twice a week.
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ใƒซใ‚คใ‚นใฏใ€็งใฏ้ญšใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Šๅฅฝใใงใฏใชใ„ใŒใ€้€ฑใซ2ๅ›žใฏ้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
55:04
Yes. That's it.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚
55:05
Sometimes you have to eat foods which you know are good for you, but you don't particularly like, which is why,
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ๆ™‚ใซใฏใ€ไฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใจใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใ€็‰นใซๅฅฝใใงใฏใชใ„้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใ‚’้ฃŸในใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ ใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚ŒใŒใ€
55:16
I mean, I like cod, and I like salmon.
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็งใŒใ‚ฟใƒฉใจใ‚ตใƒผใƒขใƒณใŒๅฅฝใใช็†็”ฑใงใ™ใ€‚
55:19
Yeah, I like tuna.
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55:20
I actually do like them, but I like to put them in meals where the flavour is disguised, like a bolognaise sauce.
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55:28
For example, the tuna.
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ไพ‹ใˆใฐใƒžใ‚ฐใƒญใ€‚
55:31
I wouldn't eat just tuna on its own, but I put like, to put it, And I'm sure you do this,
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็งใฏใƒžใ‚ฐใƒญใ ใ‘ใ‚’ๅ˜็‹ฌใง้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€ไพ‹ใˆใฐใ€ใƒซใ‚คใ‚นใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฃใจใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
55:38
Lewis. But also things like cod.
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ใ€‚ ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ฟใƒฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ใ€‚
55:40
Yes, cod is nice.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใ‚ฟใƒฉใฏ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
55:42
Cod is a very plain, fairly tasteless fish. White fish.
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ใ‚ฟใƒฉใฏ้žๅธธใซๅ‘ณๆฐ—ใชใ„ใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉๅ‘ณใฎใชใ„้ญšใงใ™ใ€‚ ็™ฝ่บซ้ญšใ€‚
55:47
But if you put some batter on it, it's quite nice.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€็”Ÿๅœฐใ‚’ๅก—ใฃใฆ้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใจใ€ใชใ‹ใชใ‹็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
55:52
So we like, we like cod with.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ฟใƒฉใŒๅฅฝใใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
55:55
I think it's got like breadcrumbs on it or something. Some kind of light batter. Yeah.
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ใƒ‘ใƒณ็ฒ‰ใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใŒไป˜ใ„ใฆใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ่ปฝใ„็”Ÿๅœฐใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
55:58
I mean that's Steve. We're going to move on.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใงใ™ใ€‚ ๅ…ˆใธ้€ฒใฟใพใ™ใ€‚
56:00
That's why fish and chips are so popular in the UK. That's it. But but that's pretty unhealthy.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ“ใใ€ใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใƒปใ‚ขใƒณใƒ‰ใƒปใƒใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚นใฏใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใงใจใฆใ‚‚ไบบๆฐ—ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Šไธๅฅๅบทใงใ™ใ€‚
56:05
The irony is it's deep fried and it's full of all sorts of horrible grease and fat.
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็šฎ่‚‰ใชใ“ใจใซใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏๆšใ’็‰ฉใชใฎใงใ€ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹็จฎ้กžใฎใฒใฉใ„ๆฒน่„‚ใŒใŸใฃใทใ‚Šๅซใพใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
56:10
Anyway, Steve, what I would love to have
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ใจใซใ‹ใใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€็งใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใฎใฏ
56:14
is a list.
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56:15
Not not many things, just a list of things that I can eat that are healthy, but also don't taste disgusting.
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ๅฅๅบท็š„ใงใ€ๅ‘ณใ‚‚ใพใšใใชใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
56:26
So I think that's the thing, isn't it?
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒๅ•้กŒใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
56:28
Because we've got some butter now, we've got some special butter, but it's it's supposed to reduce your cholesterol,
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ไปŠใฏใƒใ‚ฟใƒผใ€็‰นๅˆฅใชใƒใ‚ฟใƒผใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๆธ›ใ‚‰ใ™ๅŠนๆžœใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฏใšใชใฎใซใ€
56:36
but it also just happens to taste really disgusting.
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ๅ‘ณใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใพใšใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
56:40
And that's the problem. So that's what puts me off.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚ŒใŒๅ•้กŒใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใ‚’ๅซŒใชๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใซใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
56:43
You know.
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56:43
You know why I always go back to eating sweet things is because it's nice.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚
็งใŒใ„ใคใ‚‚็”˜ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’้ฃŸในใฆใ—ใพใ†ใฎใฏใ€ ใใ‚ŒใŒ็พŽๅ‘ณใ—ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใฎใฏใ”ๅญ˜ใ˜ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
56:50
It gives me pleasure.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซๅ–œใณใ‚’ไธŽใˆใฆใใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
56:52
I feel a certain amount of pleasure when I eat a piece of chocolate or something sweet.
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ใƒใƒงใ‚ณใƒฌใƒผใƒˆใ‚„็”˜ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใจใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฎๅ–œใณใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™ใ€‚
56:59
And that's the reason why, you see, that's why I do it.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใ€็งใŒใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚‹็†็”ฑใงใ™ใ€‚
57:02
But when?
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ„ใคใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
57:03
When we have to eat in a healthy way.
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ๅฅๅบท็š„ใช้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚’ๆ‘‚ใ‚‰ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใใ€‚
57:05
Steve, you find that a lot of the things all are really, really not very nice.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ ๅคšใใฎ็‰ฉไบ‹ใฏใฉใ‚Œใ‚‚ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใพใ‚Š่‰ฏใใชใ„ใ“ใจใ ใจๆฐ—ใฅใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
57:11
Well, we ought to be going to Santa Reno's house.
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ‚ตใƒณใ‚ฟใƒปใƒชใƒŽใฎๅฎถใซ่กŒใๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
57:15
Oh, for the healthiest food, because looking at what, what they're eating, they're lots of pasta without grease.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅฅๅบท็š„ใช้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใงใ™ใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ้ฃŸในใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใจใ€่„‚ใฃใ“ใใชใ„ใƒ‘ใ‚นใ‚ฟใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“้ฃŸในใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
57:22
We put pasta, olive oil, lentils, beans and chickpeas.
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ใƒ‘ใ‚นใ‚ฟใ€ใ‚ชใƒชใƒผใƒ–ใ‚ชใ‚คใƒซใ€ใƒฌใƒณใ‚บ่ฑ†ใ€่ฑ†ใ€ใฒใ‚ˆใ“่ฑ†ใ‚’ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
57:28
Good.
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57:28
There we go.
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ใ•ใ‚ใ€่กŒใใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
57:29
Beans, chickpeas, pulses like peas, beans.
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่ฑ†ใ€ใฒใ‚ˆใ“่ฑ†ใ€ใ‚จใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚ฆ่ฑ†ใชใฉใฎ่ฑ†้กžใ€‚
57:35
Lentils are very good for you.
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ใƒฌใƒณใ‚บ่ฑ†ใฏไฝ“ใซใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
57:39
I mean, in India, lentils and rice is a staple food.
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ใ‚คใƒณใƒ‰ใงใฏใ€ใƒฌใƒณใ‚บ่ฑ†ใจ็ฑณใŒไธป้ฃŸใงใ™ใ€‚
57:45
Because it's got all the proteins in it that you need.
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ๅฟ…่ฆใชใ‚ฟใƒณใƒ‘ใ‚ฏ่ณชใŒใ™ในใฆๅซใพใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
57:49
So, yes. And we do eat lentils that way. We have, like, a double a lentil daal.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆ็งใŸใกใฏใƒฌใƒณใ‚บ่ฑ†ใ‚’ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ้ฃŸในใพใ™ใ€‚ ใƒฌใƒณใ‚บ่ฑ†ใฎใƒ€ใƒผใƒซใ‚’2ๅ€ใใ‚‰ใ„้ฃŸในใพใ™ใ€‚
57:54
I want to be two weeks.
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57:55
So. Yeah, I think we're pretty good. We've just got to cut back on biscuits. Chocolates?
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€‚ ใˆใˆใ€ใ‹ใชใ‚Šใ„ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ ใƒ“ใ‚นใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ๆธ›ใ‚‰ใ•ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใƒใƒงใ‚ณใƒฌใƒผใƒˆ๏ผŸ
58:01
I want biscuits and chocolates now, Mr. Duncan.
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ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ไปŠใฏใƒ“ใ‚นใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใจใƒใƒงใ‚ณใƒฌใƒผใƒˆใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
58:04
Yeah, well, this is it.
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58:06
Whenever I start thinking of healthy food or if I look in the cupboard
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ๅฅๅบท็š„ใช้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ‚Šใ€้ฃŸๅ™จๆฃšใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆ
58:11
and there's nothing in there that I think that has to be the saddest moment.
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ใใ“ใซไฝ•ใ‚‚ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใณใซใ€ ็งใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๆœ€ใ‚‚ๆ‚ฒใ—ใ„็žฌ้–“ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใซ้•ใ„ใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ€‚
58:17
The moment that causes me the most distress is when I open the cupboard.
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็งใซใจใฃใฆๆœ€ใ‚‚่‹ฆ็—›ใช็žฌ้–“ใฏใ€ ๆˆธๆฃšใ‚’้–‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ๆ™‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
58:23
And normally in that cupboard there is maybe some biscuits or some crisps or something that I can just eat very quickly.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€้€šๅธธใ€ใใฎๆˆธๆฃšใซใฏใ€ ใ™ใใซ้ฃŸในใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใƒ“ใ‚นใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใ‚„ใƒใƒ†ใƒˆใƒใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚นใชใฉใŒๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
58:32
But I open the cupboard.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏๆˆธๆฃšใ‚’้–‹ใ‘ใพใ™ใ€‚
58:36
And there's nothing in there and I always feel slightly disappointed when I do that when I open the cupboard,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ“ใซใฏไฝ•ใ‚‚ๅ…ฅใฃใฆใŠใ‚‰ใšใ€ ้ฃŸๅ™จๆฃšใ‚’้–‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใใซใ„ใคใ‚‚ๅฐ‘ใ—ใŒใฃใ‹ใ‚Šใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
58:43
because sometimes I go and I hope maybe by magic that cupboard will be full of lovely things to eat.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ๆ™‚ใ€…ใ€้ญ”ๆณ•ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ ใใฎ้ฃŸๅ™จๆฃšใŒใŠใ„ใ—ใ„้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใงใ„ใฃใฑใ„ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœŸๅพ…ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
58:51
But then when I open it, there's nothing in there.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€้–‹ใ‘ใฆใฟใ‚‹ใจใ€ไฝ•ใ‚‚ๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
58:54
There's, there's nothing unhealthy.
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ไธๅฅๅบทใชใ‚‚ใฎใฏไฝ•ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
58:57
Now pound mirror talks about something very interesting.
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ไปŠใ€pound mirror ใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
59:02
Stress produces cholesterol.
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ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใฏใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใ‚’็”Ÿๆˆใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
59:06
And I have read this as well that if you have long term stress it can make your body produce too much cholesterol.
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ใพใŸใ€้•ทๆœŸใซใ‚ใŸใ‚‹ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ€ ไฝ“ๅ†…ใง้Žๅ‰ฐใชใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใŒ็”Ÿๆˆใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ‚‚่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
59:18
I'm not sure how much evidence there is for that clinically.
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่‡จๅบŠ็š„ใซใใ‚Œใซๅฏพใ™ใ‚‹่จผๆ‹ ใŒใฉใ‚Œใปใฉใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
59:20
But I mean I read this on a fairly, I think it was the NHS website I think, which is fairly, you know that's well renowned website.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‹ใชใ‚Šใ€ใŸใ—ใ‹ NHS ใฎ Web ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใง่ชญใ‚“ใ ใฎใงใ™ใŒ ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Šใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ‚ˆใ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸ Web ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
59:29
So I think, I think you can so I think stress can make your body even if you don't, even if you eat.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€้ฃŸในใชใใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใฏไฝ“ใซโ€‹โ€‹ๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใจ็งใฏๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
59:36
I mean, some people will have a high cholesterol no matter what they do because they've got some genetic problem at fault. But,
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ้บไผ็š„ใชๅ•้กŒใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€ไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซๅ€คใŒ้ซ˜ใใชใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€
59:47
certainly stress can, which is something we need to reduce.
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ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใฏ็ขบใ‹ใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆธ›ใ‚‰ใ™ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
59:51
In fact, I would say I would say as an overall health benefit,
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚„้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใซใคใ„ใฆใฏ่จ€ใ†ใพใงใ‚‚ใชใใ€ๅ…จไฝ“็š„ใชๅฅๅบทไธŠใฎๅˆฉ็‚นใจ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
59:57
not even mentioning diet or the things you eat.
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60:00
I think the biggest problem if those two things are not there is stress.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ 2 ใคใŒใชใ„ๅ ดๅˆใฎๆœ€ๅคงใฎๅ•้กŒใฏ ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
60:07
So I think stress does have a very negative effect.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใฏ้žๅธธใซๆ‚ชใ„ๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
60:10
We are coming up to 3:00. Mr.. Steve, already I've been with you for an hour.
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3ๆ™‚ใซ่ฟ‘ใฅใ„ใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ ็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใจใ™ใงใซ1ๆ™‚้–“ไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
60:15
We had lots of snow last week and then it went really cold and we had a lovely walk yesterday in the snow,
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ๅ…ˆ้€ฑใฏ้›ชใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“้™ใ‚Šใ€ใใฎๅพŒใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฏ’ใใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚็‰นใซๆฐ—ๆŒใกใฎ ่‰ฏใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใฏใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚‚ใฎใฎใ€ๆ˜จๆ—ฅใฏ้›ชใฎไธญใ‚’ๆ•ฃๆญฉใงใใฆ
60:22
even though it wasn't particularly pleasant.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
60:24
Although Steve said today you said that you went out earlier for a walk
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใฏไปŠๆ—ฅใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅ…ˆใปใฉๆ•ฃๆญฉใซๅ‡บใ‹ใ‘ใŸใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใฎใซ
60:29
and now already a lot of the snow is vanishing, only to be replaced by mud. Mud?
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ใ€ไปŠใงใฏใ™ใงใซ ้›ชใฎๅคšใใŒๆถˆใˆใฆใ€ๆณฅใซ็ฝฎใๆ›ใ‚ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๆณฅ๏ผŸ
60:38
We don't like that, not one bit.
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็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๅฐ‘ใ—ใ‚‚ๅฅฝใใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
60:41
So those who've just joined us, you're watching English Addict with myself, Mr.
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ไปŠใ”่ฆงใซใชใฃใŸ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใฏใ€็งใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณๆฐใ€ใใ—ใฆใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ๆฐใจไธ€็ท’ใซ English Addict ใ‚’ใ”่ฆงใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
60:46
Duncan and also Mr. Steve as well.
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60:48
We have lots of things to talk about today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ„ใ“ใจใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
61:04
This.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ€‚
61:12
English addict is with you today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžไธญๆฏ’่€…ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
61:15
With myself. Mr. Duncan,
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็ง่‡ช่บซใจใ€‚ ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€
61:18
do you want at some point in your life to be famous?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไบบ็”Ÿใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ™‚็‚นใงๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
61:26
Fame.
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ๅๅฃฐใ€‚
61:27
I want to live forever.
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็งใฏๆฐธ้ ใซ็”Ÿใ็ถšใ‘ใŸใ„ใ€‚
61:29
I want to learn how to fly.
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้ฃ›ใถๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’ๅญฆใณใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
61:33
Fame and fortune.
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ๅๅฃฐใจๅฏŒใ€‚
61:36
We often think of those two words together, don't we, Steve? We think of fame.
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็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ˆใใ“ใฎ 2 ใคใฎๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ไธ€็ท’ใซ่€ƒใˆใพใ™ใ‚ˆใญใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–๏ผŸ ็งใŸใกใฏๅๅฃฐใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
61:41
And also we think of fortune.
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ใใ—ใฆๅนธ้‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚่€ƒใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
61:44
Not by that we mean the success that comes with being famous or well-known normally brings some sort of comfort in your life.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจ ใ‚„ใ‚ˆใ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹ๆˆๅŠŸใŒใ€้€šๅธธใ€ไบบ็”Ÿใซไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎๅฎ‰ใ‚‰ใŽใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ™ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
61:54
And by that we mean money. Of course we mean money.
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ใใ‚ŒใฏใŠ้‡‘ใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใŠ้‡‘ใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
61:59
It can't be anything else, can it?
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ไป–ใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šๅพ—ใชใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
62:00
Really? Yes. No, no.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ๏ผŸ ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€‚
62:03
Only if you're famous, you will end up, accumulating wealth, because you've probably got some talent.
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ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚Œใฐใ€ๆ‰่ƒฝใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็ตๅฑ€ใฏๅฏŒใ‚’่“„็ฉใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ ใ€‚
62:12
That means people are prepared to pay a lot of money, to have you on their television programme, sing for them or whatever it is.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“็•ช็ต„ใซๅ‡บๆผ”ใ•ใ›ใŸใ‚Šใ€ๆญŒใ‚ใ›ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ€ๅคš้กใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ‰•ใ†็”จๆ„ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใ€‚
62:23
Or if you become very successful in business and it's,
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใงๅคงๆˆๅŠŸใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€
62:28
then you're likely to become famous, like the big tech companies in the US, you know, Amazon, Jeff Bezos.
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎๅคงๆ‰‹ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒŽใƒญใ‚ธใƒผไผๆฅญใ€ใ‚ขใƒžใ‚พใƒณใ‚„ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒ•ใƒปใƒ™ใ‚พใ‚นใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒ้ซ˜ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
62:36
And then we've got, all the other big sort of tech companies, Microsoft, etcetera.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒžใ‚คใ‚ฏใƒญใ‚ฝใƒ•ใƒˆใชใฉไป–ใฎๅคงๆ‰‹ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒŽใƒญใ‚ธใƒผไผๆฅญใ‚‚ๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใพใ™ ใ€‚
62:46
Then if you've, you know, you're going to be famous just because you've got a very successful company. Yeah.
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ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็ŸฅใฎใจใŠใ‚Šใ€ ้žๅธธใซๆˆๅŠŸใ—ใŸไผš็คพใ‚’็ตŒๅ–ถใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ ใ‘ใงๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
62:51
Somebody said earlier, by the way, that they, they thought that
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ใจใ“ใ‚ใงใ€ๅ…ˆใปใฉ่ชฐใ‹ใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆœ‰ๅใงใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใใ†ใงใ™
62:55
you weren't famous, Mr.
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62:57
Duncan, but you were very popular. Yes, I think that's I think that's true.
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63:01
That's. No, that's I think that's that's perfect.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒๅฎŒ็’งใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
63:04
That's a perfect description.
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ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŒ็’งใช่ชฌๆ˜Žใงใ™ใ€‚
63:06
Whoever said that you are absolutely 100%.
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่ชฐใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซ100๏ผ…ใงใ™ใ€‚
63:10
You can't be popular without being famous.
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ๆœ‰ๅใงใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐไบบๆฐ—่€…ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
63:14
So I wouldn't say that I'm famous in the fact that I could go out into the streets
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ็งใŒ้€šใ‚Šใซๅ‡บ
63:20
and walk around and people would know who I was, although that did happen to us in Paris, didn't it?
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ใฆๆญฉใๅ›žใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒ็งใฎใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†็‚นใงใ€็งใŒๆœ‰ๅใ ใจ่จ€ใ†ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใชใ„ ใ€‚ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใƒ‘ใƒชใงใฏใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใ‚“ใ ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
63:25
Once somebody saw us and recognised me, that was very still a very weird moment of time.
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒ็งใŸใกใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ€็งใ ใจ่ช่ญ˜ใ—ใŸใจใใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚้™ใ‹ใงใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใช็žฌ้–“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
63:32
But generally speaking, I would say that I'm popular on the internet, but away from here, no one knows who I am.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใซ่จ€ใˆใฐใ€็งใฏใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆไธŠใงใฏไบบๆฐ—ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใˆใพใ™ ใŒใ€ใ“ใ“ไปฅๅค–ใงใฏ่ชฐใ‚‚็งใŒ่ชฐใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
63:41
Last week, for example, the doctor was examining me.
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ใŸใจใˆใฐๅ…ˆ้€ฑใ€ๅŒป่€…ใŒ็งใ‚’่จบๅฏŸใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
63:46
They had no idea who I was. They didn't know I was on YouTube. They knew nothing about me.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใŒ่ชฐใชใฎใ‹ๅ…จใ็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใŒYouTubeใซใ„ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใซใคใ„ใฆไฝ•ใ‚‚็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
63:51
I was just another piece of meat in front of them to to prod and poke.
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็งใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๅ‰ใง็ชใฃใคใ„ใŸใ‚Š็ชใฃใคใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๅ˜ใชใ‚‹่‚‰็‰‡ใซ้ŽใŽใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
63:57
So being famous is often seen as something good, something that you want to have.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ€่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ€ๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใจ่ฆ‹ใชใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅคšใ„ใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
64:05
However, quite often with fame, there can also be something we called misfortune as well.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅๅฃฐใซใฏ ไธๅนธใจๅ‘ผใฐใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ไผดใ†ใ“ใจใŒๅคšใ€…ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
64:13
Misfortune means when things do not go as well as you want them to actually go.
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ไธๅนธใจใฏใ€ ็‰ฉไบ‹ใŒๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆœ›ใ‚€ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ†ใพใใ„ใ‹ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
64:22
Fame is not necessarily a good thing.
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ๅๅฃฐใฏๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ„ใ€‚
64:27
Fame and misfortune.
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ๅๅฃฐใจไธๅนธใ€‚
64:29
You run success early.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆ—ฉใๆˆๅŠŸใ‚’ๅฎŸ่กŒใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
64:31
Hello, ransack. That, They'd like to be rich, but not famous.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ransackใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้‡‘ๆŒใกใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใŒใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใฏใชใ‚ŠใŸใใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
64:36
Yes, yes. Because, Yeah.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใ ใฃใฆใ€ใใ†ใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
64:39
So keep a low profile, make your money, but do it in the way that, you don't have to be in the public eye.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็›ฎ็ซ‹ใŸใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’็จผใŽใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚ใŸใ ใ—ใ€ไธ–้–“ใฎๆณจ็›ฎใ‚’ๆตดใณใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใงใ€‚
64:49
Thus, be worried every
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€
64:51
time you leave the house that, there are photographers there, the paparazzi,
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ๅฎถใ‚’ๅ‡บใ‚‹ใŸใณใซใ€ ใ‚ซใƒกใƒฉใƒžใƒณใ‚„ใƒ‘ใƒ‘ใƒฉใƒƒใƒใŒ
64:57
trying to catch you out, find out all about your life, and then print it in a newspaper.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๆ•ใพใˆใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็”Ÿๆดปใฎใ™ในใฆใ‚’่ชฟในไธŠใ’ใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ–ฐ่žใซ่ผ‰ใ›ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใจๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
65:03
Or, you know, that's part of the downsides, isn't it?
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ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆฌ ็‚นใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
65:06
That, somebody is jealous of you because you become famous, and then they try to make money because they've known you
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸใฎใง่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซๅซ‰ๅฆฌใ— ใ€ๅ‰ไธ–ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใŸใŸใ‚ใซใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’็จผใ”ใ†ใจใ—
65:13
from a past life, and then they will sell their story to a newspaper about an affair you had with somebody.
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ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ชฐใ‹ใจไธๅ€ซ้–ขไฟ‚ใซใ‚ใฃใŸใจใ„ใ†่ฉฑใ‚’ๆ–ฐ่žใซๅฃฒใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
65:22
Well, this is one of the reasons why a lot of people who become famous also like to have wealth as well.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ ๅฏŒใ‚‚ๆŒใคใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฅฝใ‚€็†็”ฑใฎไธ€ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
65:30
They expect those things to go together because the wealth will allow you
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ๅฏŒใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ่ท้›ขใ‚’ไฟใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚คใƒใ‚ทใƒผใฎๅขƒ็•Œใ‚’ไฝœใฃใŸใ‚Šใงใใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ“ใจใŒไธ€็ท’ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœŸๅพ…ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
65:36
to keep your distance or create that boundary of privacy.
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65:43
So I think being famous is is great, but I think also you have to have a bit of security that goes with it.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ† ใ‘ใฉใ€ใใ‚Œใซไผดใ†ๅฎ‰ๅฟƒๆ„Ÿใ‚‚ๅฐ‘ใ—ใฏๅฟ…่ฆใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ€‚
65:52
And by that I mean I suppose money would be the main thing.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใŒไธปใชใ‚‚ใฎใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
65:57
And of course we've seen situations where people have become famous and then things have gone dramatically wrong.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸไบบใŒใใฎๅพŒใ€ไบ‹ๆ…‹ใŒๅŠ‡็š„ใซๆ‚ชๅŒ–ใ™ใ‚‹็Šถๆณใ‚’็งใŸใกใฏ่ฆ‹ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
66:06
Not always
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ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚
66:08
their fault.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎใ›ใ„ใงใฏใชใ„ใ€‚
66:10
Sometimes other things can happen.
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ๆ™‚ใ€…ไป–ใฎใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
66:12
As I mentioned earlier, we are looking at those terrible scenes coming from the United States with the terrible fires
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ๅ…ˆใปใฉใ‚‚็”ณใ—ไธŠใ’ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€็งใŸใกใฏ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใ‹ใ‚‰
66:20
taking place across the Hollywood Hills, a part of, I suppose, a part of Los
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ใƒใƒชใ‚ฆใƒƒใƒ‰ใƒ’ใƒซใ‚บใง่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๆใ‚ใ—ใ„็ซ็ฝใฎๅ…‰ๆ™ฏใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใƒใƒชใ‚ฆใƒƒใƒ‰ใƒ’ใƒซใ‚บใฏใ€ ใƒญใ‚ตใƒณใ‚ผใƒซใ‚นใฎไธ€้ƒจใง
66:25
Angeles, which is well known for the area where all these celebrities and superstars live.
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ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใŒ็‡ƒใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅœฐๅŸŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚ˆใ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๆœ‰ๅไบบใ‚„ใ‚นใƒผใƒ‘ใƒผใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใฏใ“ใ“ใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
66:32
And at the moment it is all going up in flames.
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ใใ—ใฆ็พๆ™‚็‚นใงใฏใ™ในใฆใŒ็‚ŽไธŠไธญใงใ™ใ€‚
66:35
So fame is not necessarily a good thing.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅๅฃฐใฏๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณ
66:39
So are you saying, Mr.
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ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใฏ
66:40
Duncan, that being famous, the downside is that you could live, move to a rich area and then your house burns down?
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ใ€ๆœ‰ๅไบบใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฎใƒ‡ใƒกใƒชใƒƒใƒˆใฏใ€ ่ฃ•็ฆใชๅœฐๅŸŸใซไฝใ‚“ใงๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ—ใŸๅพŒใซๅฎถใŒ็ซไบ‹ใซใชใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
66:47
Well, is that your is that where you're going with this?
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใ“ใจใชใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
66:51
Well, in in that sense, an area where you would think you would be safe and secure.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ†ใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใฏใ€ ๅฎ‰ๅ…จใงๅฎ‰ๅฟƒใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚จใƒชใ‚ขใงใ™ใ€‚
66:58
There is there is always something that can change that situation
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็Šถๆณใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใŒๅธธใซๅญ˜ๅœจใ—
67:02
and maybe something unexpected, maybe something you were not expecting to happen.
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ใ€ไบˆๆœŸใ›ใฌใ“ใจใ€ ไบˆๆƒณใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
67:08
And of course, your own personal safety as well.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸ่‡ช่บซใฎๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใชๅฎ‰ๅ…จใ‚‚ๅŒๆง˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
67:14
In, in, in all of those areas.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใฎๅˆ†้‡Žใงใ€‚
67:16
By that I mean your personal safety.
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67:19
So if you become famous, Steve, there is often a price to pay.
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67:26
We often talk about the price of fame, and quite often there are things you have to give
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67:33
if you want to be famous or if you become famous.
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67:36
There are certain things in your life that you must give away.
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67:42
Can you think what they are, Steve? Well, Christina mentions John Lennon
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67:47
famous shot because somebody becomes obsessed with you.
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67:52
There's lots of cases of people, famous people.
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67:56
Having fans that, become a bit obsessed with them.
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68:02
And obviously, in John Lennon's case, it led to his death.
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68:07
And I think, Marilyn Monroe, there's another famous one. Yes.
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68:11
Because I think sometimes when people become famous, they find it difficult to cope with the fame.
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68:17
It must be.
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68:18
It must be pretty awful that your life is always in the spotlight.
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68:24
Everything you do and the pressure to
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68:29
keep being famous, and the pressure to be.
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68:32
Because, I mean, a lot of people, you do hear some people saying, I've.
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68:37
I wanted to be famous.
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68:39
That was their motivation.
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68:40
Just being famous alone.
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68:43
Yes, is a great motivation for some people.
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68:47
Other people become famous almost by accident because they've got a talent.
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68:53
And then that talent has been noticed, and then they've gone on maybe to TV or films, but some.
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69:00
Yeah. So they've become famous through their talent, so to speak.
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69:04
But some people just want to be famous because they want to be famous and they're not too bothered how they get that fame. Yes.
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69:13
I mean, there is a there's a case at the moment of, of somebody maybe I should mention it.
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69:21
If I mention names, I won't mention names.
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69:24
Somebody on the internet who is, let's say, has been in the news a lot because
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69:31
she has let's just be let's just say been having multiple partners.
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69:36
Okay. Oh, yes.
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69:37
We will stay clear of that one. Okay.
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69:39
Then it so, so for many reasons including legal reasons.
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69:44
So we will stay away from that one.
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69:46
But fame can be I suppose you might describe it as a double edged sword.
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69:53
So there is something that can help you, but also something that might actually be damaging as well.
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69:59
And I think the worst one, Steve, is when you become famous, but you don't want to be famous.
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70:05
Maybe by accident you become famous, maybe there is someone filming an event
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70:12
taking place and you are doing something, and maybe you are having just a moment of time where where you are enjoying yourself.
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70:20
Maybe you are doing a silly dance, or maybe you are pulling a very strange face
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70:28
and that person films what you are doing, and then suddenly
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70:33
that short video goes onto the internet and then everyone knows who you are, but you have no control over that.
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70:42
And I think this is one of the big problems now with being famous.
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70:47
If you are well known and you have no control over it, that is the worst kind of fame because you quite often
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70:57
you get nothing from it.
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70:59
So you won't earn money, you won't become rich and famous, you will just become famous,
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71:07
maybe for doing something very silly.
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71:09
And of course, once you are at that level, you've got to be.
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71:13
You probably want to remain famous.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใŠใใ‚‰ใๆœ‰ๅใงใ‚ใ‚Š็ถšใ‘ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
71:16
And that that has its own pressures.
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71:19
Boy bands, a lot of people become famous and they're not really being looked after or protect it from the, the effects of fame.
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71:29
And as we all know, recently a famous boy band member died,
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71:35
fell out of a window in,
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71:39
was it brand Aries? I think it was in Argentina.
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71:41
Was in Buenos Aires. It was in Argentina. Yes, yes. Liam.
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71:45
Remember his name? Liam Payne. Liam Payne. Yes. That's right. Who,
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ๅฝผใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹? ใƒชใ‚ขใƒ ใƒปใƒšใ‚คใƒณใ€‚ ใƒชใ‚ขใƒ ใƒปใƒšใ‚คใƒณใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใ€‚ ๅฝผใฏ
71:50
tragically lost his life. But that was all due to the pressures of fame.
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71:55
And something we've noticed before.
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71:59
Mr. Duncan, is that rich, famous people often take risks,
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72:06
because often to become successful in business
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72:11
or in whatever it is you become famous or successful in, you have to be a have a certain mentality.
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72:19
Well, sir.
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72:20
Yes. Taking risks, a certain way of thinking. Yes.
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72:24
You get a thrill from that. And, and
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72:28
but even by accident, for example, if you, if you, if you've got a lot of money,
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72:35
then you might want to get from one place to another in a helicopter for example. Yes.
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72:41
And we know that helicopters, prone to falling out of the sky.
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72:46
Well, they're not they're not prone to it.
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72:48
Well, the if I fall more prone to it, then, that that, of plane that.
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72:53
Yes, but that means that that's happening all the time. Well, but you know what I'm saying?
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72:58
You're always hearing if of rich, successful people, dying in helicopter crash. Yes.
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73:05
Well, private.
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73:06
Well, they start, they decide to learn to fly or something like that.
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73:12
It's a they do something risky because they want.
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73:15
Because their personality is they want to push the boundaries of to see what they can do, which is an admirable, admirable quality
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73:22
to have to to give yourself a goal, to push your limits of your ability.
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73:28
But then at the same time that then becomes dangerous.
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73:31
I mean the, there was that case of
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73:35
that famous, I can't remember his name now.
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73:37
He was a famous rich, I think, billionaire businessman decided he wanted to go and see the Titanic,
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73:45
which is very deep in the ocean and went down in one of these,
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73:52
Devices or whatever you call it, like a submarine, that takes you deep in the ocean.
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73:58
Of course, it's dangerous to do that.
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74:00
And, it imploded and everyone was killed.
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74:05
The point I'm making is that quite often rich, successful, or famous people will do risky things because it's it's almost in their nature.
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74:14
That's how they became rich and famous in the first place.
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74:19
Because they, they taking risks and they'd like to do, like to push the boundaries of what they can do.
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74:25
That's it.
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74:25
But I think, I think yes, I think, I think it's in in their nature to take those risks.
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ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚
ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€็งใฏใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€ ็งใฏใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€็งใฏใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€็งใฏใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€็งใฏใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใใ†ใ„ใฃใŸใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฒ ใ†ใฎใŒๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๆœฌ่ณชใชใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
74:30
And sometimes you can't stop doing it.
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74:32
It's almost like an addiction.
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74:34
You can't stop doing things that are dangerous.
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74:36
And eventually, maybe, perhaps something bad will happen.
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ใใ—ใฆๆœ€็ต‚็š„ใซใฏใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใ€ไฝ•ใ‹ๆ‚ชใ„ใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
74:42
So fame is often seen as a glamorous thing.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ๅๅฃฐใฏ้ญ…ๅŠ›็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใจใ—ใฆ่ฆ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅคšใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
74:46
But I can tell you now, though, I'm going to tell you something because something did happen to me
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ไปŠ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ€
74:53
a few years ago when I was living in China,
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ๆ•ฐๅนดๅ‰ใซไธญๅ›ฝใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใจใใซ็งใซไฝ•ใ‹ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
74:57
I did I I'm not going to say I became a superstar, but I did become well known in certain area.
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็งใฏใ‚นใƒผใƒ‘ใƒผใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใซใชใฃใŸใจใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ็ขบใ‹ใซใ€ ใ‚ใ‚‹ๅˆ†้‡Žใงใฏๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
75:04
Yes. Locally, where you were. Yes. Because I was on television.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ๅœฐๅ…ƒใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ„ใŸๅ ดๆ‰€ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใซๅ‡บใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
75:08
The local TV station had used me for certain things, and then I appeared a couple of times, English speaking contests as the judge.
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ๅœฐๅ…ƒใฎใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ๅฑ€ใŒ็งใ‚’ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎ็•ช็ต„ใซ่ตท็”จใ—ใ€ใใฎๅพŒ ใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใฎใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใƒใ‚ณใƒณใƒ†ใ‚นใƒˆใซๅฏฉๆŸปๅ“กใจใ—ใฆๆ•ฐๅ›žๅ‡บๆผ”ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
75:18
And, and I even performed a song that was broadcast on television.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใงๆ”พ้€ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๆ›ฒใ‚‚ๆŠซ้œฒใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
75:23
So in the local area, I did become quite well-known, quite famous, and it did happen.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ๅœฐๅ…ƒใงใฏ ็งใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Šๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚Šใ€ใ‹ใชใ‚Šๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
75:29
So I've had
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰
75:31
a taste of fame, even on TV as well.
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ใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใงใ‚‚ๅๅฃฐใ‚’ๅ‘ณใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
75:35
Yes, that's TV, that's it, that's what? Yes.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใงใ™ใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ™ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹? ใฏใ„ใ€‚
75:38
So, so because because people recognise me from television, they would see me in the street and they would know who I was,
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใง็งใ‚’่ช่ญ˜ใ—ใ€ ่ก—ใง็งใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‹ใ‘ใŸใ‚‰็งใŒ่ชฐใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ€
75:45
which was okay at first.
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ๆœ€ๅˆใฏใใ‚Œใงๅ•้กŒใชใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
75:49
But I have to say, after a while it did become rather annoying because I didn't have
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใŒ ใชใใฆใ€
75:55
I didn't have the fortune,
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75:57
so I would walk around the town doing my shopping and people would come up to me and start talking to me
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่ก—ใ‚’ๆญฉใๅ›žใฃใฆ่ฒทใ„็‰ฉใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใจ ใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒ่ฟ‘ใฅใ„ใฆใใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใ‹ใชใ‚Šใ‚คใƒฉใ‚คใƒฉใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
76:02
and asking me questions, and then just just general things.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใซ่ณชๅ•ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
76:07
I think for two reasons. One, because they recognised me.
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็†็”ฑใฏ2ใคใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ไธ€ใคใฏใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ็งใ‚’่ช่ญ˜ใ—ใฆใใ‚ŒใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
76:10
But also the other thing was because I'm an English teacher, so they knew that.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ใคใฎ็†็”ฑใฏใ€็งใŒ่‹ฑ่ชžๆ•™ๅธซใชใฎใงใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
76:15
So so I think there were two things happening there.
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ใใ“ใงใฏ2ใคใฎใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
76:18
But after a while it did become a little
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€
76:24
annoying and difficult, especially when people were starting to turn up in the area where I lived.
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็‰นใซ็งใŒไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ๅœฐๅŸŸใซไบบใ€…ใŒ้›†ใพใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใจใใซใ€ๅฐ‘ใ—่ฟทๆƒ‘ใงๅ›ฐ้›ฃใช็Šถๆณใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
76:30
And they were asking all of the shops and the shopkeepers where I lived that that was that was the point where I realised
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใŒไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ“ใ‚ใฎๅบ—ใ‚„ๅบ—ไธปใซๅฐ‹ใญใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใใ‚ŒใŒใ€
76:39
that being famous or well-known, even in a small area, is not
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ใŸใจใˆๅฐใ•ใชๅœฐๅŸŸใงใ‚ใฃใฆใ‚‚ๆœ‰ๅใงใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ‚ˆใ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ„ใจๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸ็žฌ้–“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
76:45
a good thing,
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76:48
because I've I've had it happen to me for real.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏ ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ็งใซใ‚‚่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
76:51
So if you'd stayed, you could have become you were a local celebrity, I would say, when you were in China. Yes.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไธญๅ›ฝใซๆฎ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅœฐๅ…ƒใฎๆœ‰ๅไบบใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจ ็งใฏๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
76:58
But this is how a lot of, famous people start off.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅคšใใฎๆœ‰ๅไบบใฏใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใƒˆใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
77:05
They become popular in a local area, and then they spread out from there.
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ๅœฐๅ…ƒใงไบบๆฐ—ใŒๅ‡บใฆใใฆ ใ€ใใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅบƒใŒใฃใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
77:10
So you could have you could have been popular all over China if you'd stayed.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆฎ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ไธญๅ›ฝๅ…จๅœŸใงไบบๆฐ—่€…ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใฎใซใ€‚
77:15
Well, have I stayed in this teaching school?
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ใ•ใฆใ€็งใฏใ“ใฎๆ•™ๅ“ก้คŠๆˆๅญฆๆ กใซ็•™ใพใฃใŸใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
77:17
Have I stayed there?
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็งใฏใใ“ใซๆปžๅœจใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
77:18
I don't think things would have worked out quite well
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77:20
because China itself was changing and it was changing into something that was the opposite
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ไธญๅ›ฝ่‡ชไฝ“ใŒๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ—ใคใคใ‚ใ‚Š ใ€
77:28
to to the things I represented, if that makes sense, because China wants to go in a different direction.
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็งใŒไปฃ่กจใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใจใฏๆญฃๅๅฏพใฎใ‚‚ใฎใซๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใŸใ‚ใ€็‰ฉไบ‹ใฏใ†ใพใใ„ใ‹ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ไธญๅ›ฝใฏๅˆฅใฎๆ–นๅ‘ใซ้€ฒใฟใŸใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
77:35
So I was useful there at that point in time.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใฎๆ™‚็‚นใงใฏ็งใฏๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
77:39
However, had I stayed there, I probably would, have ended up leaving anyway
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—็งใŒใใ“ใซ็•™ใพใฃใฆใ„ใŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€
77:48
because the the political system and the climate, the political climate in China was changing.
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ไธญๅ›ฝใฎๆ”ฟๆฒปไฝ“ๅˆถใ‚„ๆ”ฟๆฒปๆƒ…ๅ‹ขใŒๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใŸใ‚ใ€็ตๅฑ€ใฏๅŽปใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใŸใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
77:56
Even while I was there. I could tell things were were changing.
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็งใŒใใ“ใซใ„ใŸ้–“ใ‚‚ใ€‚ ็‰ฉไบ‹ใŒๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ—ใคใคใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
77:59
But having fame is not necessarily a good thing. I will be honest with you.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅๅฃฐใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๆญฃ็›ดใซ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
78:04
There is always a price to pay,
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ๆ”ฏๆ‰•ใ†ในใไปฃๅ„Ÿใฏๅธธใซๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใ€
78:08
and I it's a privacy basically, isn't it? Yes.
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ใใ‚ŒใฏๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚คใƒใ‚ทใƒผใฎๅ•้กŒใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
78:12
You you can't go out of the house.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฎถใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ‡บใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
78:15
People will start to try and find you and they will bother you when you're walking around the street, which is nice.
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ไบบใ€…ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ้€šใ‚Šใ‚’ๆญฉใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซ้‚ช้ญ”ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
78:22
It is lovely, don't get me wrong, but it can be a little annoying as well.
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่ชค่งฃใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ•ตใชใ“ใจใงใ™ ใŒใ€ๅฐ‘ใ—่ฟทๆƒ‘ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
78:30
Fortunately, here in the UK.
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ๅนธใ„ใชใ“ใจใซใ€ใ“ใ“ใฏ่‹ฑๅ›ฝใงใ™ใ€‚
78:35
No one cares who I am so I can walk around the streets.
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่ชฐใ‚‚็งใŒ่ชฐใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’ๆฐ—ใซใ—ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€็งใฏ่ก—ใ‚’ๆญฉใๅ›žใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
78:39
I can go anywhere and people won't know me, even though I think a couple of times in Much Wenlock,
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78:45
someone came up to me and asked if I was Mr.
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78:48
Duncan, but I have a feeling that maybe they were local and perhaps they had seen me on the internet.
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78:53
Maybe. Who knows?
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78:57
But this is the thing. You see, this is the thing about what we do, Steve.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒๅ•้กŒใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใปใ‚‰ใ€ ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŸใกใฎไป•ไบ‹ใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚
79:02
You never know.
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79:03
We might do something on here one week and then it becomes viral and then suddenly everyone knows who we are.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹้€ฑใซใ“ใ“ใงไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒๅฃใ‚ณใƒŸใงๅบƒใพใฃใฆ ใ€็ช็„ถใฟใ‚“ใชใŒ็งใŸใกใฎใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
79:12
How would you feel about that, Mr.. Steve? Would you like to be famous?
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฉใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
79:16
No, I think I'll.
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79:17
I'll take the ransac approach, which is rich, but not famous.
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79:22
But then it must be. It must be, I would
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79:27
be interested to see what it
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79:28
feels like to be famous, because I think, and somebody pointed this out earlier.
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ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸใ‚‰ใฉใ‚“ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใชใฎใ‹่ฆ‹ใฆใฟใŸใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ไปฅๅ‰่ชฐใ‹ใŒๆŒ‡ๆ‘˜ใ—ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€‚
79:35
You must feel almost invulnerable.
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79:38
I think you probably.
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79:40
I mean, we're talking from our perspective, really not being famous people, but, it
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79:46
it must be that you start to to think that you're almost invulnerable,
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใปใผ็„กๆ•ตใงใ€
79:53
and that, sort of normal life events can't affect you and that nothing could possibly happen to you. Yes.
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80:02
And maybe you believe too much what you're saying, particularly if you're.
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80:08
I'm thinking now of a famous sort of health expert who was a doctor,
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80:14
in the UK, had a television programme, a series of programmes all about improving your health.
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80:20
He was actually a medical doctor.
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80:23
And, a lot of his work was around exercise and pushing your body,
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80:30
in order to extend your life was part of part of the something he used to talk about.
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80:36
He used to undergo, intra sting, procedures for medical science.
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80:43
And the TV, for example, he got himself infected with a tapeworm. Deliberately?
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ไพ‹ใˆใฐใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใฎใ›ใ„ใงใ€ ๅฝผใฏใ‚ตใƒŠใƒ€ใƒ ใ‚ทใซๆ„ŸๆŸ“ใ—ใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๆ•…ๆ„ใซ๏ผŸ
80:48
Yeah, once. Just to see what happens when you get infected with a tapeworm.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ไธ€ๅบฆใ ใ‘ใ€‚ ใ‚ตใƒŠใƒ€ใƒ ใ‚ทใซๆ„ŸๆŸ“ใ—ใŸใ‚‰ไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
80:53
But he was very well known in the UK, and he was always doing extreme exercise.
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80:58
And unfortunately, he decided, when he was on holiday in a great I think it was a Greek island
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81:04
in sort of 45 degree heat to go off on a long trek into the hills.
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81:08
And sadly died.
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81:11
And I think that's a case of, of
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81:14
maybe you've just got things out of proportion, the sense of danger and reality.
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81:21
You're pushing things a bit too far.
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81:24
Because maybe you've become used to that fame, or you don't think anything can happen to you.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฎๅๅฃฐใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ ใ‹ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใฏไฝ•ใ‚‚่ตทใ“ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
81:31
But of course, if you push the limits of what the human body is capable of. Yes.
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81:36
If you don't have that support there at the time you need it, then you it's you're taking a risk. Yes.
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ๅฟ…่ฆใชใจใใซใ‚ตใƒใƒผใƒˆใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ ใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฒ ใ†ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
81:42
It's it's the difference between fame and the illusion that it presents and reality,
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81:48
which sometimes when you become famous or wealthy and famous, you might forget all about the reality of life.
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81:58
You almost become trapped in your fame and it becomes linguistic.
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82:05
I'm sorry.
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82:07
I was just saying. Yes. Christine? Yes. You've got the name right. I couldn't think of the name.
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ใŸใ ่จ€ใฃใฆใŸใ ใ‘ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณ๏ผŸ ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ๅๅ‰ใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ๅๅ‰ใŒๆ€ใ„ๆตฎใ‹ใณใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
82:13
Okay.
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82:13
Yeah. Become. What would you say you become?
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใชใ‚‹ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไฝ•ใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
82:15
Yeah. You become.
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82:16
You're almost in a bubble of, Where
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82:20
you're not really living in the real world anymore.
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82:23
Even the physical, real world.
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82:25
And you lose perception of of maybe what stand for so many.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅคšใใฎไบบใ€…ใซใจใฃใฆไฝ•ใŒ้‡่ฆใชใฎใ‹ใจใ„ใ†่ช่ญ˜ใ‚’ๅคฑใฃใฆใ—ใพใ†ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
82:29
If you were a celebrity and you needed to get from one gig to another or something, you might.
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ‰ๅไบบใง ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ณใƒณใ‚ตใƒผใƒˆใ‹ใ‚‰ๅˆฅใฎใ‚ณใƒณใ‚ตใƒผใƒˆใชใฉใธ็งปๅ‹•ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
82:35
Somebody might lay on a helicopter for you.
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎใŸใ‚ใซใƒ˜ใƒชใ‚ณใƒ—ใ‚ฟใƒผใงๅฏใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
82:38
But, you know, it's quicker than driving from going on the train or flying, but.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ ้›ป่ปŠใ‚„้ฃ›่กŒๆฉŸใซไน—ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใฏ่ปŠใง่กŒใใปใ†ใŒๆ—ฉใ„ใงใ™ใ‘ใฉใญใ€‚
82:45
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
82:46
Is that I'm not saying helicopters are dangerous, but, you know, is that a bigger risk?
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ใƒ˜ใƒชใ‚ณใƒ—ใ‚ฟใƒผใŒๅฑ้™บใ ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Š ใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใƒ˜ใƒชใ‚ณใƒ—ใ‚ฟใƒผใฎๆ–นใŒใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใŒๅคงใใ„ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
82:52
There was there was a somebody recently.
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ๆœ€่ฟ‘่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
82:55
He was. Oh, it was a football player. Okay.
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ใใ†ใ ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใƒ•ใƒƒใƒˆใƒœใƒผใƒซ้ธๆ‰‹ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
82:58
He was travelling back from France,
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83:02
back to England for a match.
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่ฉฆๅˆใฎใŸใ‚ใซใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใธๆˆปใ‚‹้€”ไธญใ ใฃใŸใ€‚
83:04
I think it was last year or the year before, and they had to go from one match to another match.
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ๅŽปๅนดใ‹ไธ€ๆ˜จๅนดใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไธ€ใคใฎ่ฉฆๅˆใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฌกใฎ่ฉฆๅˆใธใจ็งปๅ‹•ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
83:11
I think it was a football player. He was playing on the team. I have no idea. Yes.
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ใ‚ตใƒƒใ‚ซใƒผ้ธๆ‰‹ใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅฝผใฏใใฎใƒใƒผใƒ ใงใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
83:16
And they had to be at a certain place back in England for another football match
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ ๅˆฅใฎใ‚ตใƒƒใ‚ซใƒผใฎ่ฉฆๅˆใ‹ๅˆฅใฎ็ด„ๆŸใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใฎ็‰นๅฎšใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใซ่กŒใๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
83:23
or had another engagement, and they took a private plane, a small private plane, somewhere from France back to England.
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ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใพใงใ€ๅฐใ•ใชใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ™ใƒผใƒˆใ‚ธใ‚งใƒƒใƒˆใซไน—ใฃใฆๆˆปใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
83:31
And it got caught in bad weather and it crashed and he was killed along with the pilot.
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ใใ—ใฆๆ‚ชๅคฉๅ€™ใซๅทปใ่พผใพใ‚Œใฆๅขœ่ฝใ— ใ€ๅฝผใจใƒ‘ใ‚คใƒญใƒƒใƒˆใฏไบกใใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
83:37
Pilot, of course.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใƒ‘ใ‚คใƒญใƒƒใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
83:39
But, you know, a commercial airline would have been a lot safer.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๆฐ‘้–“่ˆช็ฉบไผš็คพใฎๆ–นใŒใฏใ‚‹ใ‹ใซๅฎ‰ๅ…จใ ใฃใŸใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
83:44
And so I'm just saying you maybe get yourself involved in these more risky endeavours, if you if you become rich and famous.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใŒ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใฎใฏใ€ ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ้‡‘ๆŒใกใซใชใฃใฆๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚‚ใฃใจใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใฎ้ซ˜ใ„ไบ‹ๆฅญใซๆบใ‚ใฃใฆใฟใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
83:53
Yes, but it's not all.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใงใ‚‚ใใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
83:54
It's not all about being killed anyway.
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ใจใซใ‹ใใ€ๆฎบใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใŒ็›ฎ็š„ใงใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
83:56
It's sometimes it's just having fame and then misusing it.
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ๆ™‚ใซใฏใ€ๅๅฃฐใ‚’ๅพ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ‚ช็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใฎใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
84:01
And one of the big problems, I think, with it, with being famous, is quite often you will end up surrounded
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๆœ‰ๅไบบใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซไผดใ†ๅคงใใชๅ•้กŒใฎไธ€ใคใฏใ€
84:08
by people who won't say no to you.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใƒŽใƒผใจ่จ€ใˆใชใ„ไบบใ€…ใซๅ›ฒใพใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
84:14
So you believe your own publicity.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅฎฃไผใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
84:17
And this is one of the things that we talk about when we talk about the price of fame.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ ๅๅฃฐใฎไปฃๅ„Ÿใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใจใใซ็งใŸใกใŒ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใฎไธ€ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
84:21
Sometimes you can believe your own publicity.
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ๆ™‚ใซใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใฎๅฎฃไผใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
84:26
That means all of the things that the newspapers are printing about you and all the nice things they are saying.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ๆ–ฐ่žใŒ ใ‚ใชใŸใซใคใ„ใฆๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚„ใ€ๆ–ฐ่žใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใฎใ™ในใฆใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใ‚‰
84:33
You actually believe that all of that is true when most of it is just hype
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ใฎใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฏใ€
84:39
to to to promote your thing, your song, your movie, your show, anything.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆญŒใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆ˜ ็”ปใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚ทใƒงใƒผใชใฉใ‚’ๅฎฃไผใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๅ˜ใชใ‚‹่ช‡ๅคงๅฎฃไผใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใซใ‚‚ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚‰ใšใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใŒ็œŸๅฎŸใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจไฟกใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
84:45
And I think that's part of the risk when you become famous is you are always going
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸใจใใฎใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใฎใฒใจใคใฏใ€
84:53
to have people around you that will they will agree with everything you say.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใซใ™ในใฆๅŒๆ„ใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใŒๅธธใซๅ‘จๅ›ฒใซใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
84:59
No one will ever say.
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่ชฐใ‚‚่จ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€‚
85:01
I don't think that's a good idea.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่‰ฏใ„่€ƒใˆใงใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅบญใซ
85:03
I don't think you should build a huge swimming pool
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ๅคงใใชใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใ‚’้€ ใฃใฆ
85:07
in your garden
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85:09
and have lots of luxurious parties late at night around the pool.
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ใ€ๅคœ้…ใใพใงใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใง่ฑช่ฏใชใƒ‘ใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใ‚’้–‹ใใฎใฏใ‚„ใ‚ใŸใปใ†ใŒใ„ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
85:14
Can I just say that that might not be a good idea
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ใŸใ ่จ€ใฃใฆใŠใใพใ™ใŒใ€
85:19
if you are a celebrity, if you are becoming famous, there is one piece of advice I can give you.
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ‰ๅไบบใงใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚Šใคใคใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใชใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่‰ฏใ„่€ƒใˆใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚็งใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซไธŽใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใŒไธ€ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
85:26
Never get a swimming pool, have a house, have a lovely garden.
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ๆฑบใ—ใฆใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใ‚’่ฒทใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ๅฎถใ‚’่ฒทใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€็ด ๆ•ตใชๅบญใ‚’ไฝœใฃใŸใ‚Šใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
85:33
But don't.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚„ใ‚ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
85:35
Whatever you do, don't have a swimming pool.
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ไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใซใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใฏๆŒใŸใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
85:39
And certainly if you do want a swimming pool, don't invite lots of people around, where there's lots of alcohol and
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๅธŒๆœ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ ใ‚ขใƒซใ‚ณใƒผใƒซใ‚„ใใฎไป–ใฎ็‰ฉ่ณชใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๅคงๅ‹ขใฎไบบใ‚’ๆ‹›ใ‹ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„
85:46
and other substances available. Don't do it.
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ใ€‚ ใ‚„ใ‚ใชใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€
85:49
I think if you if you look across history, Steve, it's celebrities and celebrities
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ๆญดๅฒใ‚’ๆŒฏใ‚Š่ฟ”ใฃใฆใฟใ‚‹ใจ ใ€
85:58
involved with swimming pools.
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ใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใซ้–ขใ‚ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๆœ‰ๅไบบใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
86:00
Quite often the story is a bad one.
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ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ใใฎ่ฉฑใฏๆ‚ชใ„่ฉฑใงใ™ใ€‚
86:03
It doesn't it doesn't end well.
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86:04
So if you are famous, don't have a swimming pool, leave the swimming pool somewhere else.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๆœ‰ๅไบบใชใ‚‰ใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๆŒใŸใšใ€ ใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใ‚’ใฉใ“ใ‹ไป–ใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใซ็ฝฎใ„ใฆใŠใ‘ใฐใ„ใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
86:10
Fill it in. Even if you move into a house and there is a swimming pool, just fill it.
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ๅŸ‹ใ‚ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใŸใจใˆๅฎถใซๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ— ใฆใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ๅŸ‹ใ‚ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
86:15
Fill it full of concrete because it will eventually bring lots of bad luck.
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็ตๅฑ€ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎไธ้‹ใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ™ใฎใงใ€ใ‚ณใƒณใ‚ฏใƒชใƒผใƒˆใงใ„ใฃใฑใ„ใซใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
86:21
Let mentioned something earlier that yeah.
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ๅ…ˆใปใฉใ‚‚ๅฐ‘ใ—่งฆใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
86:26
Yes. Even if you are famous when when you're gone.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไบกใใชใฃใŸใจใใซใฏใ€ใŸใจใˆๆœ‰ๅใ ใฃใŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€‚
86:31
When you've left this
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใฎไธ–ใ‚’ๅŽปใฃใŸๅพŒ
86:33
earth, mortal coil.
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ใ€ๆญปใฎ่ผชๅปปใ‚’ใ€‚
86:36
And I'm really cheerful today.
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ใใ—ใฆไปŠๆ—ฅใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅ…ƒๆฐ—ใงใ™ใ€‚
86:38
Well, I'm just saying, when you have, then it's not long before everybody just forgets about you.
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ใพใ‚ใ€็งใŒ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใฎใฏใ€ใใ†ใชใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€ ใฟใ‚“ใชใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใ™ใใซๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ ใ€‚
86:45
And it's, you know, unless you are really, really famous or infamous.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆœ‰ๅใ‹ๆ‚ชๅ้ซ˜ใ„ไบบใงใชใ„้™ใ‚Šใ€ใใ†ใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
86:51
Yeah.
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86:52
Then you will not be remembered for very long.
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ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ้•ทใ„้–“่จ˜ๆ†ถใซๆฎ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
86:57
Yeah. Just the same as all of us, really. I mean, we think of,
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅฎŸใฎใจใ“ใ‚ใ€็งใŸใกๅ…จๅ“กใจๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŸใกใฏใ€
87:02
we're only we're only remembered, really, as long as there are people still alive.
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็”Ÿใใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใŒใ„ใ‚‹้™ใ‚Šใ€่จ˜ๆ†ถใซๆฎ‹ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใ ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
87:07
Remember us?
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็งใŸใกใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
87:09
And when they're gone, then we go, oh, there you, Mr. Duncan.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๅŽปใ‚‹ใจใ€็งใŸใกใฏใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใใ“ใซใ„ใŸใ‚“ใ ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
87:13
Well, have your YouTube channel.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
87:17
People will be able to watch you in a thousand years time.
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ๅƒๅนดๅพŒใซใฏไบบใ€…ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’่ฆณๅฏŸใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
87:21
Well, maybe, if YouTube is still allowing you on that.
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ใพใ‚ใ€YouTube ใŒใพใ ใใ‚Œใ‚’่จฑๅฏใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
87:25
Well, if YouTube still exists, if YouTube still exists, if the internet still exists, you see. So.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ‚‚ใ— YouTube ใŒใพใ ๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚‚ใ— YouTube ใŒใพใ ๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใŒใพใ ๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆใญใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใงใ€‚
87:31
So everything I do could just vanish completely without any warning.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŒ่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใฏใ™ในใฆใ€ไฝ•ใฎ่ญฆๅ‘Šใ‚‚ใชใๅฎŒๅ…จใซๆถˆใˆใฆใ—ใพใ†ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
87:38
So if YouTube suddenly stopped being a company, if the internet suddenly stopped working,
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚‚ใ— YouTube ใŒ็ช็„ถไผš็คพใจใ—ใฆๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใชใใชใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใŒ็ช็„ถๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใชใใชใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€
87:44
or maybe it became illegal to have the internet, suddenly I would vanish.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ๆŒใคใ“ใจใŒ้•ๆณ•ใซใชใฃใŸใ‚Šใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ ็งใฏ็ช็„ถๆถˆใˆใฆใ—ใพใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
87:50
It would be like
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87:52
a light being switched off.
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ใพใ‚‹ใง้›ปๆฐ—ใŒๆถˆใˆใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
87:54
Who was Brian Jones?
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ใƒ–ใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ขใƒณใƒปใ‚ธใƒงใƒผใƒณใ‚บใจใฏ่ชฐใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
87:57
He was a member. Now I want to say.
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ๅฝผใฏไผšๅ“กใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ไปŠใ€็งใฏ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใ€‚
88:01
I want to say the who, but it probably isn't.
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่ชฐใชใฎใ‹ใ‚’่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใจใ“ใ‚ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใใ†ใงใฏใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
88:05
But the Brian Jones died in a swimming pool.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใƒ–ใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ขใƒณใƒปใ‚ธใƒงใƒผใƒณใ‚บใฏใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใงไบกใใชใฃใŸใ€‚
88:08
He died it that so that there might be a very long list of celebrities who came to a bad end,
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ๅฝผใŒไบกใใชใฃใŸใ“ใจใงใ€ ไธๅนธใช็ตๆœซใ‚’่ฟŽใˆใŸใ€
88:16
or of course, were involved in some sort of scandal connected to a swimming pool.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ ใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใŸไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒฃใƒณใƒ€ใƒซใซๅทปใ่พผใพใ‚ŒใŸๆœ‰ๅไบบใฎ้•ทใ„ใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใŒๅญ˜ๅœจใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚
88:22
We have at least two in this country.
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ใ“ใฎๅ›ฝใซใฏๅฐ‘ใชใใจใ‚‚2ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
88:24
In England, there at least two people who
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88:27
who over the years have been involved in swimming pool situations that did not turn out very well.
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้•ทๅนดใซใ‚ใŸใ‚Šใ€ใƒ—ใƒผใƒซใงใ‚ใพใ‚Š่‰ฏใ„็ตๆžœใซใชใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸๅ‡บๆฅไบ‹ใซๅทปใ่พผใพใ‚ŒใŸไบบใŒๅฐ‘ใชใใจใ‚‚ไบŒไบบใ„ใ‚‹ ใ€‚
88:35
That's all I'm saying.
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88:37
The other one to be wary of is if you become rich and famous.
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ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ใค่ญฆๆˆ’ใ™ในใใชใฎใฏใ€้‡‘ๆŒใกใซใชใฃใฆๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸๅ ดๅˆใงใ™ใ€‚
88:41
Rolling Stones rolling stones, I think might get it wrong.
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ใƒญใƒผใƒชใƒณใ‚ฐใƒปใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒณใ‚บใฎใƒญใƒผใƒชใƒณใ‚ฐใƒปใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒณใ‚บใ€้–“้•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ€‚
88:45
So I, I'm not a big fan of the Rolling Stones, you see, and they are a little bit before my time.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏใƒญใƒผใƒชใƒณใ‚ฐใƒปใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒณใ‚บใฎๅคงใƒ•ใ‚กใƒณใงใฏใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ ใ€‚ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅฐ‘ใ—ๅ‰ใฎไธ–ไปฃใฎใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
88:52
Yeah.
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88:52
I mean, I think you do.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ†ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
88:54
See, I don't know if you were to take some, analysis and look at the average life
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89:02
expectancy of a of a celebrity or a famous person compared to the general population. Yes.
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ๆœ‰ๅไบบใ‚„่‘—ๅไบบใฎๅนณๅ‡ๅฏฟๅ‘ฝใ‚’ ไธ€่ˆฌไบบๅฃใจๆฏ”่ผƒใ—ใฆใฟใ‚‹ใจใฉใ†ใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€็งใซใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
89:08
It's the perception is that quite a lot of celebrities seem to die.
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89:13
But isn't it, you know, of of accidents or drugs or something.
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89:19
Yeah, but is that any more in proportion to the a normal population or not.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ้€šๅธธใฎไบบๅฃใซๆฏ”ในใฆ็›ธๅฏพ็š„ใซๅคšใ„ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€‚
89:26
Yeah. Well I don't know that because we well, we just happened to hear about it because the famous.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใพใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใŸใพใŸใพๆœ‰ๅไบบใ ใ‹ใ‚‰่žใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
89:31
It's on the television. Yes.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใงๆ”พ้€ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
89:32
Because if you, if, if the, if the person that lives down the road from us who nobody knows
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ€ ใ‚‚ใ—็งใŸใกใฎๅฎถใฎ่ฟ‘ใใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹่ชฐใ‚‚็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ไบบใŒ
89:39
falls down the stairs and breaks their neck, no one cares because no one knows who they are.
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้šŽๆฎตใ‹ใ‚‰่ฝใกใฆ้ฆ–ใฎ้ชจใ‚’ๆŠ˜ใฃใŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ ่ชฐใ‚‚ๆฐ—ใซใ—ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚่ชฐใ‚‚ใใฎไบบใŒ่ชฐใชใฎใ‹็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
89:45
But if a famous person does the same thing, suddenly it's huge news.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๆœ‰ๅไบบใŒๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€็ช็„ถๅคงใใชใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใ‚นใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
89:50
Yeah. So your perception is that
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89:53
a higher proportion of rich and famous people die young. Yes.
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่ฃ•็ฆใงๆœ‰ๅใชไบบใŸใกใŒ่‹ฅใใ—ใฆไบกใใชใ‚‹ๅ‰ฒๅˆใŒ้ซ˜ใ„ใจใ„ใ†่ช่ญ˜ใชใฎใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
89:58
Which of course, some people don't mind as they probably don't like them anyway. Okay.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใ„ใšใ‚Œใซ ใ—ใฆใ‚‚ๅฅฝใใงใฏใชใ„ใฎใงๆฐ—ใซใ—ใชใ„ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
90:04
It's just, these these are weird, weird directions.
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ใŸใ ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใชใ€ๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใชๆŒ‡็คบใงใ™ใ€‚
90:08
There's always some. There's always a bit of jealousy, isn't there? But I don't I don't think celebrities die young.
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ใ„ใคใ‚‚ใ„ใใ‚‰ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅซ‰ๅฆฌใฃใฆใ„ใคใ‚‚ๅฐ‘ใ—ใฏใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏๆœ‰ๅไบบใŒ่‹ฅใใ—ใฆไบกใใชใ‚‹ใจใฏๆ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใ€‚
90:13
I think a lot of them,
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๅคšใใฏใ€
90:16
normally they fade away and then eventually you hear of them again, but normally after they've died.
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ๆ™ฎ้€šใฏๆถˆใˆๅŽปใ‚Šใ€ใ‚„ใŒใฆใพใŸๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่€ณใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใ„ใฆใ„ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒไบกใใชใฃใŸๅพŒใงใ™ใ€‚
90:23
So I think fame fades and then the person dies, and then you, then you hear about them again and and everyone goes, oh, I remember him.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅๅฃฐใฏ่–„ใ‚Œใ€ใใฎไบบใฏไบกใใชใ‚Šใ€ใใ—ใฆ ใพใŸใใฎไบบใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่žใใจใ€ใฟใ‚“ใชใŒใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใฎไบบใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ‚‹ใ€ใจๆ€ใ†ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
90:33
I remember that that woman. Yeah. She used to be in that TV show.
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็งใฏใ‚ใฎๅฅณๆ€งใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅฝผๅฅณใฏไปฅๅ‰ใใฎใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“็•ช็ต„ใซๅ‡บๆผ”ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
90:38
So I think fame is a strange thing.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅๅฃฐใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
90:41
We often describe fame as fickle.
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็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ˆใใ€ๅๅฃฐใฏ็งปใ‚Šๆฐ—ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
90:45
Fickle. So you might be famous today,
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ๆฐ—ใพใใ‚Œใ€‚ ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆœ‰ๅใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„
90:49
but suddenly tomorrow, no one cares who you are.
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ใŒใ€ๆ˜Žๆ—ฅ็ช็„ถใ€่ชฐใ‚‚ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ชฐใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’ๆฐ—ใซใ—ใชใใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚
90:52
And that in itself is very stressful.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œ่‡ชไฝ“ใŒ้žๅธธใซใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
90:56
For somebody who likes being famous and, I always remember,
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ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅฅฝใใชไบบใซใจใฃใฆใ€ๆœ‰ๅใชใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒผใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใซไผดใ†ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใซใคใ„ใฆๆดžๅฏŸใ‚’ๅพ—ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™
91:04
you know, getting an insight into what it was like to be, a famous performer and the stresses that are involved.
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91:12
I saw an interview by Shirley Bassey.
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ใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใƒชใƒผใƒปใƒใƒƒใ‚ทใƒผใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใ‚’่ฆ‹ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
91:16
It was of course, I'm a great fan of it was her birthday last week
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€็งใฏๅฝผๅฅณใฎๅคงใƒ•ใ‚กใƒณใงใ€ๅ…ˆ้€ฑใฏๅฝผๅฅณใฎ่ช•็”Ÿๆ—ฅใงใ—ใŸ
91:21
with her birthday last week, and it was also Rod Stewart who was 80, I believe.
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ใ€‚ ็ขบใ‹ใ€ใƒญใƒƒใƒ‰ใƒปใ‚นใƒใƒฅใƒฏใƒผใƒˆใ‚‚80ๆญณใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
91:26
So he's still going despite the excesses of his youth. Yes.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฝผใฏ่‹ฅใ„้ ƒใฎ้Žๅ‰ฐใช่กŒๅ‹•ใซใ‚‚ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚‰ใšใ€ใพใ ็ถšใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
91:30
So yeah.
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91:32
Yeah.
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91:32
So yeah, I want you if you've got a talent and you, you start to become famous.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ๅ›ใซๆ‰่ƒฝใŒใ‚ใฃใฆใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ๅ›ใ‚’ๅฟœๆดใ—ใŸใ„ ใ€‚
91:40
The pressure is then on you to keep on performing at a higher level.
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ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š้ซ˜ใ„ใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใงใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใ‚’็ถšใ‘ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
91:47
Yeah, well, maintaining that level. Yeah.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ‚ใ€ใใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใ‚’็ถญๆŒใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
91:50
Otherwise people start to criticise.
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ใใ†ใงใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐไบบใ€…ใฏๆ‰นๅˆคใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
91:52
That must be an incredible stress, on you.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆใ€ใจใฆใคใ‚‚ใชใ„ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใญใ€‚
91:56
Yes. But. Well, Well, being famous,
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€‚ ใพใ‚ใ€ใพใ‚ใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏใ€
92:01
they say becoming famous is normally the easy part.
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ๆ™ฎ้€šใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใชใ“ใจใ ใจ่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
92:05
Staying famous is the hard one.
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ๆœ‰ๅใงใ‚ใ‚Š็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใ ใ€‚
92:09
Because there are two things that come around.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ๅทกใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใŒไบŒใคใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
92:12
If you are famous, there is, of course, your your own talent, your health, your age as you get older.
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ๆœ‰ๅใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸ่‡ช่บซใฎๆ‰่ƒฝใ€ๅฅๅบทใ€ๅนด้ฝขใ‚‚้–ขไฟ‚ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
92:22
So you might fade away as you get older.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅนดใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใซใคใ‚Œใฆ่กฐ้€€ใ—ใฆใ„ใใฎใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
92:25
Also, there are other people as well who might be coming along, so you might be the greatest entertainer in the world.
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ใพใŸใ€ไป–ใซใ‚‚ไธ€็ท’ใซใ‚„ใฃใฆใใ‚‹ไบบใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ ใฎใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไธ–็•Œๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎใ‚จใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒ†ใ‚คใƒŠใƒผใซใชใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
92:33
But suddenly there is a younger, more attractive entertainer coming along and he is more sexy and more talented than you.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—็ช็„ถใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚่‹ฅใใฆ้ญ…ๅŠ›็š„ใช่Šธ่ƒฝไบบใŒ ็พใ‚Œใ€ใใฎ่Šธ่ƒฝไบบใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใ‚ปใ‚ฏใ‚ทใƒผใงๆ‰่ƒฝใซๆบขใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
92:44
And then slowly you get pushed out and this new person replaces you.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚†ใฃใใ‚Šใจใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่ฟฝใ„ๅ‡บใ•ใ‚Œใ€ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ไบบใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎไปฃใ‚ใ‚Šใจใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
92:50
But of course, talent, if you've got real star quality talent, this is something that, famous people often do.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ๆ‰่ƒฝใ€ใคใพใ‚Šๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผ็ดšใฎๆ‰่ƒฝใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏๆœ‰ๅไบบใŒใ‚ˆใใ‚„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
92:59
They often behave very badly, don't they?
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93:03
Or arrogantly, when they become famous because they know that people want them on television?
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ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ€ ไบบใ€…ใŒใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใซๅ‡บใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœ›ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€ๅ‚ฒๆ…ขใซๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใŸใจใใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
93:10
Yeah.
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93:10
Want to see them perform so bad behaviours start to come out like you might speak to people in a bad way.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซๆ‚ชใ„ๆ…‹ๅบฆใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ›ใฆใ€ ไบบใ€…ใซๆ‚ชใ„่ฉฑใ—ๆ–นใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆ‚ชใ„่กŒๅ‹•ใŒๅ‡บใฆใใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
93:18
You might start to have lots of tantrums.
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็™‡็™ชใŒ้ ป็นใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
93:20
I'm not going to mention James Corden, but I am going to mention James Corden.
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ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒผใƒ ใ‚บใƒปใ‚ณใƒผใƒ‡ใƒณใซใคใ„ใฆใฏ่งฆใ‚Œใชใ„ ใŒใ€ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒผใƒ ใ‚บใƒปใ‚ณใƒผใƒ‡ใƒณใซใคใ„ใฆใฏ่งฆใ‚ŒใฆใŠใใŸใ„ใ€‚ ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰
93:25
James Corden apparently is one of the worst celebrities for being an absolute.
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ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒผใƒ ใ‚บใƒปใ‚ณใƒผใƒ‡ใƒณใฏ ็ตถๅฏพไธป็พฉใฎๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎๆœ‰ๅไบบใฎไธ€ไบบใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใ ใ€‚
93:33
Now I want to say a really naughty word, but I can't.
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ไปŠใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ„ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€่จ€ใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
93:36
But let's just say he
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93:41
he is someone who who in public, in a public situation, maybe a restaurant or something like that.
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ๅ…ฌๅ…ฑใฎๅ ดใงใ€ๅ…ฌใฎๅ ดใงใ€ใใ†ใ„ใ†ไบบใ ใจใ ใ‘่จ€ใฃใฆใŠใใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
93:48
He is not the most pleasant of people to know because they become arrogant, they become full of their own ego.
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ๅฝผใฏใ€ๅ‚ฒๆ…ขใซใชใ‚Šใ€่‡ชๅฐŠๅฟƒใงใ„ใฃใฑใ„ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€็Ÿฅใ‚Šๅˆใ†ใฎใซใ‚ใพใ‚Šๆฅฝใ—ใ„ไบบใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
93:57
So they think the whole world has to move around them because they are so successful and famous.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใŒ้žๅธธใซๆˆๅŠŸใ—ๆœ‰ๅใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€ๅ…จไธ–็•ŒใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใ‚’ไธญๅฟƒใซๅ‹•ใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใซ้•ใ„ใชใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
94:05
Yes. I mean, people with talents or another word to use for a talent is a gift.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆ‰่ƒฝใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบ ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏๆ‰่ƒฝใ‚’่กจใ™ๅˆฅใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใฏใ€Œ่ณœ็‰ฉใ€ใงใ™ใ€‚
94:12
And I saw this once, mentioned quite recently, actually, in a video I was watching.
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94:19
If you have a a gift,
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆ‰่ƒฝใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€
94:22
then it's been given to you.
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94:25
So you've got that gift.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฎๆ‰่ƒฝใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
94:27
So you shouldn't become arrogant about it because you've been given it.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ไธŽใˆใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใจๅ‚ฒๆ…ขใซใชใฃใฆใฏใ„ใ‘ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
94:32
So you've been lucky to have that. It's not that you've acquired that.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใฆๅนธ้‹ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็ฒๅพ—ใ—ใŸใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
94:37
You've been given that gift. And it's it should be used responsibly.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใซใฏใใฎ่ดˆใ‚Š็‰ฉใŒไธŽใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่ฒฌไปปใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆไฝฟ็”จใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ในใใงใ™ใ€‚
94:42
Token of of of of, celebrities who, who walk out, you know, in a flounce off and,
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ๆœ‰ๅไบบใŒใ€ใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚น ไธญใซใตใฆใใ•ใ‚Œใฆ็ซ‹ใกๅŽปใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€
94:54
out of performances, walk off, they lose their temper.
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94:58
I was reading, an interview about Maria Callas. Oh, yes.
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95:03
The other day.
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ๅ…ˆๆ—ฅใ€‚
95:04
I don't know how I got into that, but I started watching,
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ใฉใ†ใ—ใฆใใฎใ“ใจใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใŸใฎใ‹ใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€่ฆณๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ€
95:07
and she was quite famous for sort of losing her temper, having tantrums, walking out of performances.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ็™‡็™ชใ‚’่ตทใ“ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ็™‡็™ชใ‚’่ตทใ“ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ๅ…ฌๆผ”ไธญใซ้€”ไธญใง้€€ๅธญใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงๆœ‰ๅใ ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
95:14
And you hear this a lot with performers.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒผใฎ้–“ใงใ‚ˆใ่žใ‹ใ‚Œใ‚‹่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
95:16
Pavarotti? I don't know.
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ใƒ‘ใƒใƒญใƒƒใƒ†ใ‚ฃ๏ผŸ ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€‚
95:18
I don't think he used to walk out of performances, but he was always used to back out of performances.
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ๅฝผใฏๅ…ฌๆผ”ใ‚’้€”ไธญใงๆŠœใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใชใ‹ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใŒใ€ๅ…ฌๆผ”ใ‚’้€”ไธญใงใ‚„ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
95:23
Was known for that. But,
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœ‰ๅใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€
95:26
Maria Callas was famous for throwing tantrums, as was Shirley Bassey.
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95:30
Can I just say I.
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ไธ€่จ€่จ€ใ‚ใ›ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹
95:32
I forgive Maria Callas because.
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95:38
And there might be lots of people out there who've never seen her perform.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฎใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ไบบใ‚‚ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
95:43
She was a goddess. Yeah. She was.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏๅฅณ็ฅžใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใใ†ใ ใฃใŸใ€‚
95:47
I've of performing.
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95:50
She was a she wasn't a star.
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95:53
That that that that word is actually demeaning.
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ใใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏๅฑˆ่พฑ็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ€‚
95:56
She was the most talented, one of the most talented human beings.
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96:02
Certainly with her singing the style, the her ability.
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96:07
So, I will actually forgive Maria Callas.
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96:11
Oh, yes. Well, this is it. If you are that talented,
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96:16
then you can probably do anything and get away with it because people will always want to see that talent.
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96:23
However, she explained in an interview I saw was only two years before she died because she died quite young, didn't she?
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96:30
I think it was 77, 78, something like that.
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96:33
She died and, and she was, the interviewer was, was berating her berating.
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96:40
There's a good word, of, attacking almost, isn't it?
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ใปใจใ‚“ใฉๆ”ปๆ’ƒใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ„ใ„่จ€่‘‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
96:46
Berate. If you berate someone, you're bothering them. Attacking them.
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96:51
For her moments when she, loses a temper and walks out.
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96:59
Apparently, she said she often used to do it deliberately.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใ‚ใ–ใจใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅคšใ‹ใฃใŸใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
97:02
Because all the other people around her, the musicians were not matching
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใฎไป–ใฎใƒŸใƒฅใƒผใ‚ธใ‚ทใƒฃใƒณใฏ็š†ใ€
97:10
up to her level of performance, and this was a method that she used.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฎๆผ”ๅฅใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใซๅŠใฐใชใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใ“ใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
97:15
So if she threw a tantrum and walked out, it was often because the musicians were being lazy
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใŒ็™‡็™ชใ‚’่ตทใ“ใ—ใฆๅ‡บใฆ่กŒใฃใŸๅ ดๅˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ใƒŸใƒฅใƒผใ‚ธใ‚ทใƒฃใƒณใŒๆ€ ๆƒฐใง
97:22
and weren't coming up to a level of, of performance that she wanted.
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ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใŒๆœ›ใ‚€ใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใฎใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใŒใงใใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒๅŽŸๅ› ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใปใจใ‚“ใฉใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
97:28
And, yeah, I used to. I saw this with Shirley Bassey as well.
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ใˆใˆใ€ไปฅๅ‰ใฏใใ†ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใƒชใƒผใƒปใƒใƒƒใ‚ทใƒผใงใ‚‚ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
97:32
She used to get into these stops because the microphones weren't working properly.
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ใƒžใ‚คใ‚ฏใŒๆญฃๅธธใซๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใŸใ‚ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๅœๆญขใซ้™ฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
97:37
Other people weren't there. So talented. They have to bring everybody up.
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ไป–ใฎไบบใฏใใ“ใซใฏใ„ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆ‰่ƒฝใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅ…จๅ“กใ‚’่‚ฒใฆใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
97:43
They have to bring their level of performance up to the to their level.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใ‚’ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใพใงๅผ•ใไธŠใ’ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
97:48
And sometimes throwing a tantrum is the only way of doing it, apparently.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ€ๆ™‚ใซใฏ็™‡็™ชใ‚’่ตทใ“ใ™ใ“ใจใŒ ๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใ ใ€‚
97:53
Well, yes. I suppose another one that I always think of is Elton John.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ็งใŒใ„ใคใ‚‚ๆ€ใ„ๆตฎใ‹ในใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใ†ใฒใจใ‚Šใฏใ€ใ‚จใƒซใƒˆใƒณใƒปใ‚ธใƒงใƒณใงใ™ใ€‚
97:56
He was very well known for for having real, real anger issues with people around him.
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ๅฝผใฏ ๅ‘จๅ›ฒใฎไบบใ€…ใซๅฏพใ—ใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆ€’ใ‚Šใฃใฝใ„ใ“ใจใงๆœ‰ๅใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
98:04
And I think at least what I love about certain celebrities is they are they are willing to say
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฐ‘ใชใใจใ‚‚็งใŒ็‰นๅฎšใฎๆœ‰ๅไบบใซใคใ„ใฆๅฅฝใใชใฎใฏใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใ€
98:13
that they are not perfect people, unlike James Corden, who often says, oh, I'm a bit stressed.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฏๅฎŒ็’งใชไบบ้–“ใงใฏใชใ„ใจ้€ฒใ‚“ใง่จ€ใ†ใจใ“ใ‚ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒผใƒ ใ‚บใƒปใ‚ณใƒผใƒ‡ใƒณใฏใ€ ใ‚ˆใใ€Œใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใŒใŸใพใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
98:19
Oh, I've got all my millions.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏไฝ•็™พไธ‡ใƒ‰ใƒซใ‚‚ใ™ในใฆๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚ŒใŸใ€‚
98:21
I have to count my millions of pounds every day. It's very stressful.
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็งใฏๆฏŽๆ—ฅไฝ•็™พไธ‡ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚‚ใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ•ฐใˆใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใจใฆใ‚‚ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใŒใŸใพใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
98:26
I want my egg done properly. Send that egg back.
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ๅตใ‚’ใใกใ‚“ใจ่ชฟ็†ใ—ใฆใปใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใฎๅตใ‚’้€ใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
98:31
Apparently, he once had a real tantrum in a restaurant over an egg.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ๅฝผใฏใ‹ใคใฆใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใงๅตใฎใ“ใจใงๅคงๆšดใ‚Œใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ€‚
98:37
And this is it.
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ใใ—ใฆใ“ใ‚ŒใŒใใ‚Œใงใ™ใ€‚
98:38
You see, this is what happens when you become famous. So I forgive Maria Callas.
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ใปใ‚‰ใ€ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใจใ“ใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚ ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใƒžใƒชใ‚ขใƒปใ‚ซใƒฉใ‚นใ‚’่จฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
98:43
I don't forgive James Corden.
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็งใฏใ‚ธใ‚งใƒผใƒ ใ‚บใƒปใ‚ณใƒผใƒ‡ใƒณใ‚’่จฑใ•ใชใ„ใ€‚
98:46
One of one person has talent, the other one
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ไธ€ไบบใฏๆ‰่ƒฝใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ไบบใฏ
98:50
zero talent.
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ๆ‰่ƒฝใŒๅ…จใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
98:51
And that is my take. It's not beauty.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใฎ่ฆ‹่งฃใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏ็พŽใ—ใ•ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
98:54
If you've got something, if you've got this gift, if something's being given to you when you were born, you could say, you know,
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใฎ่ดˆใ‚Š็‰ฉใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚‚ใ— ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็”Ÿใพใ‚ŒใŸใจใใซไฝ•ใ‹ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซไธŽใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
99:03
a gift from God.
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็ฅžใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎ่ดˆใ‚Š็‰ฉใ ใจ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
99:04
You could say some people might look at it that way, or it's, you've got this genetic ability, you've got your beautiful,
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใŸใกใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ ้บไผ็š„่ƒฝๅŠ›ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€็พŽใ—ใใ€ๆ ผๅฅฝ
99:12
good looking or handsome, then, you know, you can understand why people will become, bad.
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่‰ฏใใ€ใƒใƒณใ‚ตใƒ ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใชใœไบบใ€…ใŒๆ‚ชใใชใ‚‹ใฎใ‹็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
99:23
You know, their behaviour could become quite arrogant because they know they've got something that you want,
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ใ”ๅญ˜็ŸฅใฎใจใŠใ‚Šใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚ŒใŸใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๆ…‹ๅบฆใŒใ‹ใชใ‚Šๅ‚ฒๆ…ขใซใชใ‚Šใ€
99:31
and, and thus they don't have to be quite so nice to you as they otherwise would do.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใ€ใใ†ใงใชใ„ๅ ดๅˆใปใฉ่ฆชๅˆ‡ใซใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใชใใชใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
99:37
Yes, but you can almost forgive it.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใงใ‚‚ใปใจใ‚“ใฉ่จฑใ›ใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
99:40
Live as you say, like Maria Callas, Shirley Bassey, if they've got a great talent, because, I don't know.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใƒžใƒชใ‚ขใƒปใ‚ซใƒฉใ‚นใ‚„ใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใƒชใƒผใƒปใƒใƒƒใ‚ทใƒผใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๆ‰่ƒฝใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€็”Ÿใใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใซใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
99:47
You forgive. You forgive some people everything. Don't you?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่จฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใŸใกใฎใ™ในใฆใ‚’่จฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†๏ผŸ
99:49
Even beautiful people get away with one.
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็พŽใ—ใ„ไบบใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’้€ƒใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
99:53
Well, the phrases, you know, you could get away with murder if you are
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€้ญ…ๅŠ›็š„ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐๆฎบไบบใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ‚‚็ฝฐใ›ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใงใ™
99:59
attractive enough.
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ใ€‚
100:00
And I think that there is some truth to that. Okay.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใใ‚Œใซใฏใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฎ็œŸๅฎŸใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ†ใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
100:04
I'm not sure how true that is.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใฉใ“ใพใงๆœฌๅฝ“ใชใฎใ‹ใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
100:07
I would, I would leave definitely leave that one there.
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็งใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใชใใใ‚Œใ‚’ใใ“ใซๆฎ‹ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
100:09
So as we've seen today, fame is great. It brings lots of things people know who you are.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅ่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๅๅฃฐใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ชฐใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’ไบบใ€…ใซ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ›ใ‚‹ๅคšใใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
100:15
You get recognised in the supermarket and you might if you are lucky, you might make lots of money as well.
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ใ‚นใƒผใƒ‘ใƒผใƒžใƒผใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใง่ชใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚Œ ใ€้‹ใŒ่‰ฏใ‘ใ‚Œใฐๅคง้‡‘ใ‚’็จผใ’ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
100:22
However, fame has its ups and its downs.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅๅฃฐใซใฏ่‰ฏใ„้ขใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐๆ‚ชใ„้ขใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
100:28
It can be a good thing, maybe a bad thing.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ—ใ€ๆ‚ชใ„ใ“ใจใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚
100:31
Maybe we'll find out the one day.
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ใ„ใคใ‹ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚็Ÿฅใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
100:34
Mr. Duncan, what fame is like, I think, I think, and, well, I don't think I know I'm never going to be famous.
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ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ๅๅฃฐใจใฏใฉใ‚“ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‹ใ€็งใฏ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใใ—ใฆใ€ใˆใˆใจใ€ ็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใชใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใจๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
100:44
I'm never, ever going to be famous for two reasons.
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ไบŒใคใฎ็†็”ฑใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏๆฑบใ—ใฆๆœ‰ๅใซใฏใชใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
100:47
One, I don't think I will, and two, I don't think I want to be because I've had a taste of that.
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็ฌฌไธ€ใซใ€็งใฏใใ†ใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ—ใ€็ฌฌไบŒใซใ€ ็งใฏใใ†ใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจใฏๆ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏใใ†ใ„ใ†็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใ ใ€‚
100:56
So unless you become famous and then you have wealth so you can protect yourself
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆœ‰ๅใซใชใฃใฆ ๅฏŒใ‚’ๅพ—ใฆ
101:03
from the outside world because there are some there are some crazy people out there,
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ๅค–ใฎไธ–็•Œใ‹ใ‚‰่บซใ‚’ๅฎˆใ‚‰ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ไธ–ใฎไธญใซใฏ็‹‚ใฃใŸไบบใŸใกใŒใ„ใฆใ€ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจๅค‰ใชไบบใŸใกใ‚‚
101:09
you know, there are some, there are some slight wacko who's out there, you see in the world.
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ใ„ใ‚‹ใ—ใ€ ไธ–็•Œใ€‚
101:15
And that is what I would be afraid of, to be honest.
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ๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใ†ใจใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŒๆใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
101:19
Interesting subject, though, I have to say.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใƒ†ใƒผใƒžใ ใจ่จ€ใ‚ใ–ใ‚‹ใ‚’ๅพ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ
101:21
I think, I think that is a subject that you could talk about that subject every week and still and still come up with a different angle.
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ๆฏŽ้€ฑ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ€้•ใฃใŸ่ง’ๅบฆใ‹ใ‚‰่€ƒใˆๅ‡บใ›ใ‚‹ใƒ†ใƒผใƒžใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
101:29
I should have asked, have we actually got anybody famous?
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซๆœ‰ๅไบบใฏใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ในใใ ใฃใŸใ€‚
101:32
What do you know, actually tuning in to this channel. Unlikely.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใ“ใฎใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใ‚’่ฆ–่ดใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ไฝ•ใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‚Šๅพ—ใชใ„ใ€‚
101:36
But you never know if you are famous whatever your particular talent is please let us know.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ‰ๅใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็‰นๅˆฅใชๆ‰่ƒฝใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใ€ใœใฒ็งใŸใกใซ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ›ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
101:44
Yes.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚
101:45
Although, although on the live chat anyone could say anything, I suppose
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ใŸใ ใ—ใ€ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใงใฏ ่ชฐใงใ‚‚ไฝ•ใงใ‚‚่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€
101:53
if you could say.
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚Œใฐใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
101:54
Oh, yes, I'm, I'm Leonardo DiCaprio and I'm just brushing up on my English,
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใ ใ€ๅƒ•ใฏใƒฌใ‚ชใƒŠใƒซใƒ‰ใƒปใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ซใƒ—ใƒชใ‚ชใง ใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ“ใ‚ใชใ‚“ใ ใ€‚
102:00
but I'm busy at the moment making lots and lots of movies and dating girls that are way, way younger than they should be.
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ใงใ‚‚ไปŠใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎๆ˜ ็”ปใ‚’ไฝœใฃใŸใ‚Š ใ€ๆœฌๆฅใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใšใฃใจ่‹ฅใ„ๅฅณใฎๅญใจไป˜ใๅˆใฃใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆๅฟ™ใ—ใ„ใ‚“ใ ใ€‚ ใชใ‚Œใ€‚
102:10
That sort of thing.
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ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ€‚
102:12
Anyway, talking of which, talking of people doing things to mislead you, Mr.
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ใจใซใ‹ใใ€ใใฎ่ฉฑใงใ€ ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€็งใŸใกใŒไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ไธ–็•Œใฏๅ…ฌๅนณใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ไธๅ…ฌๅนณใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’่ชค่งฃใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใซใคใ„ใฆใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ™
102:20
Steve, because we live in a world, would you say the world we live in, Steve, is fair or unfair?
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102:30
I think I think it's yes, I think it depends where you're born and the family you're born into.
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ใ€ใใ†ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ็”Ÿใพใ‚ŒใŸๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚„็”Ÿใพใ‚ŒใŸๅฎถๆ—ใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
102:38
I guess talent is not distributed evenly.
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ๆ‰่ƒฝใฏๅ‡็ญ‰ใซๅˆ†้…ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
102:44
But if you want to think of if you want to achieve something in life, I think, I think
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไบบ็”Ÿใงไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๆˆใ—้‚ใ’ใŸใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€
102:50
then if you apply the right mental attitude, I think you can achieve anything you want to.
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ๆญฃใ—ใ„ๅฟƒๆง‹ใˆใ‚’ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ๆœ›ใ‚€ใ“ใจใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚้”ๆˆใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
102:58
I do believe that. Okay. I mean,
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็งใฏใใ†ไฟกใ˜ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ ใคใพใ‚Šใ€
103:02
some people start off
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103:03
in life with an advantage that others don't yet, so.
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ไป–ใฎไบบใŒใพใ ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆœ‰ๅˆฉใช็Šถๆณใงไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใƒˆใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
103:09
Enough. Steve. I was looking for a yes or no.
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ๅๅˆ†ใ€‚ ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚ ็งใฏใ‚คใ‚จใ‚นใ‹ใƒŽใƒผใ‹ใ‚’ๆŽขใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
103:14
So is life.
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ไบบ็”Ÿใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
103:15
Is life genuinely fair or is it unfair?
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ไบบ็”Ÿใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅ…ฌๅนณใชใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ไธๅ…ฌๅนณใชใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
103:17
Would you say?
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ใใ†่จ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ ใใ‚Œใฏ
103:20
I think it's fair.
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ๅ…ฌๅนณใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
103:22
Yes. Fairly fair. I think life is one of those things that comes along.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใ‹ใชใ‚Šๅ…ฌๅนณใงใ™ใ€‚ ไบบ็”Ÿใจใฏใ€็ช็„ถใ‚„ใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใฎไธ€ใคใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
103:27
And sometimes nice things happen and sometimes bad things happen.
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ๆ™‚ใซใฏ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใใ€ๆ™‚ใซใฏๆ‚ชใ„ใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใใพใ™ใ€‚
103:31
And the real secret of getting through life is just to keep going and not stop.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’ใ†ใพใไน—ใ‚Šๅˆ‡ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎ็ง˜่จฃใฏใ€ ใŸใ ้€ฒใฟ็ถšใ‘ใ€ๆญขใพใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
103:37
But the reason why I mention that, Steve, is because there is something that kind of happen to people.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€็งใŒใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ๅŠใ™ใ‚‹็†็”ฑใฏใ€ ไบบใ€…ใซใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
103:45
Something unpleasant,
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ไฝ•ใ‹ไธๅฟซใชใ“ใจใ€
103:48
unpleasant things that might happen to people.
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ไบบใ€…ใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ไธๅฟซใชใ“ใจใ€‚
103:53
Because human beings, even though you are now watching two lovely human beings here on your screen, some people are not very nice.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใฏไปŠใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒชใƒผใƒณไธŠใงไบŒไบบใฎ็ด ๆ•ตใชไบบ้–“ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‘ใ‚Œใฉใ‚‚ ใ€ไบบ้–“ใฎไธญใซใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š่‰ฏใใชใ„ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
104:04
Some people can try to deceive you.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’้จ™ใใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
104:08
And today
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ใใ—ใฆไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ€
104:10
we are going to look at a subject that will finish today's live stream
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฎใƒฉใ‚คใƒ– ใ‚นใƒˆใƒชใƒผใƒ ใ€ใใ—ใฆใŠใใ‚‰ใ็งใŸใกใฎใ‚ญใƒฃใƒชใ‚ขใ‚’็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใƒ†ใƒผใƒžใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใใพใ™
104:15
and maybe even our careers.
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104:18
Here we go, Steve.
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ใ•ใ‚ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚
104:19
It's on the screen right now.
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ไปŠ็”ป้ขใซ่กจ็คบใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
104:23
The phrase you see on the screen at the moment says beware of the scammer.
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็พๅœจ็”ป้ขใซ่กจ็คบใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใฏใ€่ฉๆฌบๅธซใซๆณจๆ„ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
104:30
This is something that, that is, being talked about quite a lot at the moment in the news for various reasons.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ ็พๅœจใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช็†็”ฑใ‹ใ‚‰ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใ‚นใงใ‹ใชใ‚Š่ฉฑ้กŒใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
104:38
The word scam is an interesting word, and this is one word that you will hear used
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่ฉๆฌบใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใฏ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„่จ€่‘‰ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
104:45
quite a lot when we are talking about people who are deceived, lived,
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้จ™ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ€ใ ใพใ•
104:51
tricked or misled into doing something.
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ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ€้จ™ใ•ใ‚Œใฆไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ใ•ใ›ใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ—ใŸไบบใ€…ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใจใใซใ‚ˆใ่€ณใซใ™ใ‚‹่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
104:57
So when you think of the word scam, Mr.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€่ฉๆฌบใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใจใ
105:00
Steve, how would you define that word?
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ใ€ใใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅฎš็พฉใ—ใพใ™ใ‹?
105:04
Yes. A a process or a business opportunity that is fake.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ๅฝใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใพใŸใฏใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใƒใƒฃใƒณใ‚นใ€‚
105:12
Somebody is trying to get you to do something, usually to get your money.
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ใ•ใ›ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ้€šๅธธใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
105:18
And, they are doing it.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฎŸ่กŒใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
105:20
They are trying to defraud you out of money.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’้จ™ใ—ๅ–ใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
105:24
That's the usual reason for a scam, is that says he wants to get some of your money. Yes.
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่ฉๆฌบใฎไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใช็†็”ฑใฏใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใŠ้‡‘ใฎไธ€้ƒจใ‚’ๅฅชใŠใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
105:30
And they are, they are using practices that, unsavoury, practices,
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๅฅชใ†ใŸใ‚ใซใ€ไธๅฟซใช่กŒ็‚บใ€้•ๆณ•ใช่กŒ็‚บใ‚’่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™
105:39
or illegal practices in order to deprive you of that money.
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105:46
Have you got an actual definition from a dictionary?
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่พžๆ›ธใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฎŸ้š›ใฎๅฎš็พฉใ‚’ๅ…ฅๆ‰‹ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
105:50
I have, I oh, I just wanted to see Mr.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏใŸใ ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใซไผšใ„ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ—
105:52
Steve and listen to Mr. Steve's version because that is it.
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ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใฎใƒใƒผใ‚ธใƒงใƒณใ‚’่žใใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚ŒใŒใพใ•ใซใใ‚Œใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
105:56
You see, what is a scam?
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ใปใ‚‰ใ€่ฉๆฌบใฃใฆไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
105:59
A scam is something designed to mislead you into doing something that you would not normally do.
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่ฉๆฌบใจใฏใ€้€šๅธธใงใฏ่กŒใ‚ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใƒฆใƒผใ‚ถใƒผใ‚’้จ™ใ™ใŸใ‚ใซ่€ƒๆกˆใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
106:07
So that is it.
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ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
106:10
And, a scam is something that a person will do.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€่ฉๆฌบใฏไบบ้–“ใŒ่กŒใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
106:15
A person will try to mislead you, to get you to do something that you would not normally do.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’้จ™ใ—ใฆใ€ ๆ™ฎๆฎตใฏใ‚„ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ›ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
106:26
And I suppose one of the, one of the main things that we think about when we think about people who might deceive you
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใŒ ้จ™ใ—ใŸใ‚Š
106:34
or get you to do things that you wouldn't normally do, often are related to two things money and love.
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ใ€ๆ™ฎๆฎตใฏใ—ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ•ใ›ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใจใใซใ€ไธปใซ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฎไธ€ใคใฏ ใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใจๆ„›ใจใ„ใ†ไบŒใคใฎใ“ใจใซ้–ขไฟ‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅคšใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
106:44
Believe it or not, they are the two things that people are often using to scam other people.
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ไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏไบบใ€…ใŒไป–ไบบใ‚’้จ™ใ™ใŸใ‚ใซใ‚ˆใไฝฟใ† 2 ใคใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ™ ใ€‚
106:55
By the way, the word scam can be used as a noun and also a verb.
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ใกใชใฟใซใ€ใ€Œ่ฉๆฌบใ€ใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใฏๅ่ฉžใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ๅ‹•่ฉžใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ไฝฟใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
107:01
The thing, the trick, the misleading thing is a scam
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ใใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ€ใƒˆใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ€่ชค่งฃใ‚’ๆ‹›ใใ‚‚ใฎใฏ่ฉๆฌบใงใ‚ใ‚Š
107:07
and also as a verb, you scam someone.
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ใ€ๅ‹•่ฉžใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’่ฉๆฌบใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
107:12
So there are many types of scam can you think of?
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ใงใฏใ€่ฉๆฌบใซใฏๅคšใใฎ็จฎ้กžใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่€ƒใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ‹?
107:17
One is Christine is mentioned one here a scam to steal your identity?
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ไธ€ใคใฏใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ“ใ“ใง่จ€ๅŠใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ€‹ไบบๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚’็›—ใ‚€่ฉๆฌบใงใ™ใ‹?
107:24
Good, because the object, the objective behind that of course is to get hold of your money.
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ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใใฎ็›ฎ็š„ใ€ ใใฎ่ƒŒๅพŒใซใ‚ใ‚‹็›ฎๆจ™ใฏใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
107:30
Because if they steal your identity, they can use that information to log into bank accounts.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ€‹ไบบๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚’็›—ใ‚“ใ ๅ ดๅˆใ€ ใใฎๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆ้Š€่กŒๅฃๅบงใซใƒญใ‚ฐใ‚คใƒณใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
107:39
May be savings or whatever.
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่ฒฏ้‡‘ใจใ‹ไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ˆใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
107:43
The worst
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107:43
things is people use your identity then to borrow money from a bank.
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ใชใฎใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่บซๅ…ƒใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆ้Š€่กŒใ‹ใ‚‰ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๅ€Ÿใ‚Šใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
107:49
That happened to me once by something.
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ไธ€ๅบฆใ€็งใซใ‚‚ไฝ•ใ‹ใฎ็†็”ฑใงใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
107:52
So you might suddenly find on your bank statement that there is something that is being bought and you didn't even buy it.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€้Š€่กŒใฎๆ˜Ž็ดฐๆ›ธใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใจใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒ่ณผๅ…ฅใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใŒ่ณผๅ…ฅใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ“ใจใŒ็ช็„ถใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
108:02
Somebody else has stolen your credit card or your debit card number,
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ฏใƒฌใ‚ธใƒƒใƒˆใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚„ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒˆใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใฎ็•ชๅทใ€
108:09
and all of the identity connected to it, and they've been using that card to buy things.
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ใใ‚Œใซ้–ข้€ฃใ™ใ‚‹ๅ€‹ไบบๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚’ใ™ในใฆ็›—ใฟ ใ€ใใฎใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆ่ฒทใ„็‰ฉใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
108:14
And then suddenly, as Steve just said, it happened. It happened to you, didn't it?
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ใใ—ใฆ็ช็„ถใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใซใ‚‚ใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใญ๏ผŸ
108:19
Yes, it happened to me. I wouldn't call it a scam. It was just sort of.
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ใฏใ„ใ€็งใซใ‚‚่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’่ฉๆฌบใจใฏๅ‘ผใณใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใ ใฎ้กžใฎใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
108:22
Somebody stole my my, this was going back about 20 years.
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒ็งใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’็›—ใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็ด„20ๅนดๅ‰ใซ้กใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
108:27
They stole my 25 years ago.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ25ๅนดๅ‰ใซ็งใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’็›—ใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
108:30
They stole my from a hotel room. I was on a business trip.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒ›ใƒ†ใƒซใฎ้ƒจๅฑ‹ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใ‚’็›—ใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใฏๅ‡บๅผตไธญใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
108:34
Well, and, I had to get changed quickly in between one meeting and another the evening.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅค•ๆ–นใฎไผš่ญฐใจไผš่ญฐใฎๅˆ้–“ใซๆ€ฅใ„ใง็€ๆ›ฟใˆใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
108:42
And I just took my jacket off and left it in the room.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใ‚ธใƒฃใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’่„ฑใ„ใง้ƒจๅฑ‹ใซ็ฝฎใ„ใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
108:46
Normally, I would always put my sort of bank cards and any documents in a safe.
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้€šๅธธใ€ ็งใฏ้Š€่กŒใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚„ๆ›ธ้กžใ‚’ๅธธใซ้‡‘ๅบซใซไฟ็ฎกใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
108:53
If there is a safe in the room.
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้ƒจๅฑ‹ใซ้‡‘ๅบซใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€‚
108:56
But I didn't on this occasion because I was in a rush, and that one time I didn't,
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไปŠๅ›žใฏ ๆ€ฅใ„ใงใ„ใŸใฎใงใ€็งใฏใใ†ใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใฎๆ™‚ใซใฏใใ†ใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
109:01
and I didn't notice to the next day,
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็ฟŒๆ—ฅใพใงๆฐ—ใฅใ‹ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€
109:04
because they were very carefully somebody had in the hotel had had got
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ใƒ›ใƒ†ใƒซใฎ่ชฐใ‹ใŒ้žๅธธใซๆณจๆ„ๆทฑใใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
109:10
hold of the keys to the rooms and the the hotel security obviously wasn't very good.
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้ƒจๅฑ‹ใฎ้ต ใจใƒ›ใƒ†ใƒซใฎใ‚ปใ‚ญใƒฅใƒชใƒ†ใ‚ฃใฏๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ‚ใพใ‚Š่‰ฏใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
109:17
And, they managed to break into a number of rooms, including mine, steal
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใฎ้ƒจๅฑ‹ใ‚’ๅซใ‚€ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎ้ƒจๅฑ‹ใซไพตๅ…ฅใ—ใ€
109:23
a credit card, and also my driver's license, which I used to carry around with me.
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ใ‚ฏใƒฌใ‚ธใƒƒใƒˆใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใจ ็งใŒๆŒใกๆญฉใ„ใฆใ„ใŸ้‹่ปขๅ…่จฑ่จผใ‚’็›—ใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
109:29
No, I don't anymore.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
109:31
And, the next morning they.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็ฟŒๆœๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€‚
109:34
I didn't notice to the after I came to pay the hotel that the car was missing.
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ใƒ›ใƒ†ใƒซใฎๆ”ฏๆ‰•ใ„ใซๆฅใŸๅพŒใ€่ปŠใŒใชใใชใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
109:38
And by that time they had, they had gone to a bank and, used my, driver's license
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ใใ—ใฆใใฎๆ™‚ใพใงใซใฏใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้Š€่กŒใซ่กŒใใ€็งใฎ้‹่ปขๅ…่จฑ่จผ
109:47
and my card as I'd to take out a loan of several thousand pounds.
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ใจใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆๆ•ฐๅƒใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใฎใƒญใƒผใƒณใ‚’ๅ€Ÿใ‚Šใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
109:56
I don't think you can do that anymore.
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ใ‚‚ใ†ใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใฏใงใใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‚ˆใ€‚
109:58
I think the bank's security is a lot better now.
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้Š€่กŒใฎใ‚ปใ‚ญใƒฅใƒชใƒ†ใ‚ฃใฏไปฅๅ‰ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‹ใชใ‚Š่‰ฏใใชใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
110:01
I got all the money back.
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ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๅ…จ้ƒจๅ–ใ‚Šๆˆปใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
110:02
The bank accepted it was their fault.
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้Š€่กŒใฏใใ‚ŒใŒ่‡ชใ‚‰ใฎ่ฒฌไปปใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่ชใ‚ใŸใ€‚
110:05
Yeah, and I got all the money back, but. But, yes, that wasn't really a scam.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใฏๅ…จ้ƒจๆˆปใฃใฆใใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็ขบใ‹ ใซใใ‚Œใฏ่ฉๆฌบใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
110:09
Well, they they were scamming the bank. Yeah, well, they, they actually are scamming it.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้Š€่กŒใ‚’่ฉๆฌบใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ‚ใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ฉๆฌบใ‚’ๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
110:14
So for that you just see you're the conduit.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใซใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒๅฐŽ็ฎกใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
110:17
You're the, the means. Yeah. They were scamming the bank.
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ๅ›ใ“ใใŒใใฎๆ‰‹ๆฎตใ ใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้Š€่กŒใ‚’้จ™ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ€‚
110:21
Yeah.
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110:21
So, so in order to get money from out of the bank by using fake I.D., which happened to be my I.D..
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฝใฎ่บซๅˆ†่จผๆ˜Žๆ›ธใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆ้Š€่กŒใ‹ใ‚‰ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๅผ•ใๅ‡บใใ†ใจใ—ใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใพใŸใพ็งใฎ่บซๅˆ†่จผๆ˜Žๆ›ธใ ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
110:29
But bank fraud.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€้Š€่กŒ่ฉๆฌบใงใ™ใ€‚
110:31
Bank fraud is a common one.
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้Š€่กŒ่ฉๆฌบใฏใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
110:32
Because, as you say, you carry around so much personal information on your mobile phone.
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ใŠใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ‚‹้€šใ‚Šใ€ ๆบๅธฏ้›ป่ฉฑใซใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎๅ€‹ไบบๆƒ…ๅ ฑใŒ่ฉฐใพใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
110:40
Smart phones nowadays are also quite vulnerable to that sort of thing as well.
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ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใฎใ‚นใƒžใƒผใƒˆใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒณใ‚‚ใ€ใใ†ใ„ใฃใŸใ“ใจใซ้žๅธธใซ่„†ๅผฑใงใ™ใ€‚
110:46
So when we talk about scams, Mr.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€่ฉๆฌบใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใจใ
110:48
Steve, we often think of this word on the screen now deception.
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ใ€็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ˆใ็”ป้ขใซ่กจ็คบใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€Œๆฌบ็žžใ€ใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๆตฎใ‹ในใพใ™ใ€‚
110:54
Deception. I like that word. I don't like when it happens,
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ๆฌบ็žžใ€‚ ็งใฏใใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅซŒใงใ™
110:59
but deception is to trick
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ใŒใ€ๆฌบ็žžใจใฏใ€
111:03
or mislead a person by putting up a false front.
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ๅฝใ‚Šใฎๆ…‹ๅบฆใ‚’ใจใฃใฆไบบใ‚’้จ™ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€่ชค่งฃใ•ใ›ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
111:11
Deception.
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111:11
You are appearing to be something you are not, and deception is probably one of the most common forms of scam,
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ๆฌบ็žžใ€‚
ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใใ†ใงใชใ„ไฝ•ใ‹ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ฆ‹ใ›ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใŠใ‚Š ใ€ๆฌบ็žžใฏใŠใใ‚‰ใ่ฉๆฌบใฎๆœ€ใ‚‚ไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใชๅฝขๆ…‹ใฎ 1 ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
111:21
because quite often deception will be used against a person.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ๆฌบ็žžใฏไบบใซๅฏพใ—ใฆ้ ป็นใซไฝฟ็”จใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
111:27
They will use their own emotions to get that person to do something they would not normally do.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆใ€็›ธๆ‰‹ใŒๆ™ฎๆฎตใฏใ—ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ›ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใพใ™ ใ€‚
111:36
So deception.
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ใคใพใ‚Šๆฌบ็žžใ ใ€‚
111:38
You might appear to be someone you are not.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ๆœฌๆฅใฎ่‡ชๅˆ†ใงใฏใชใ„่ชฐใ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ฆ‹ใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
111:41
You might appear to be a nice person, or a kind person or a lovely person, but all you are doing is trying to get that person
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ„ใ„ไบบใ€่ฆชๅˆ‡ใชไบบใ€็ด ๆ•ตใชไบบใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ฆ‹ใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ› ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ€ใใฎไบบใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ไธŽใˆใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ†ใ“ใจ
111:52
to to give you things, maybe to give you money or their possessions, or maybe you are trying to get into their will.
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ใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚„่ฒก็”ฃใ‚’ใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ†ใ“ใจใ€ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๆ„ๅฟ—ใซๅพ“ใ†ใ€‚
112:01
Something like that.
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ใใ‚“ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ€‚
112:03
And deception is possibly one of the worst features of human behaviour.
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ใใ—ใฆๆฌบ็žžใฏใŠใใ‚‰ใ ไบบ้–“ใฎ่กŒๅ‹•ใฎๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎ็‰นๅพดใฎไธ€ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
112:10
I think. So here's a word the dress. Thank you. Dress.
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็งใฏๆ€ใ†ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ“ใ“ใซใƒ‰ใƒฌใ‚นใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚ ใƒ‰ใƒฌใ‚นใ€‚
112:15
They con con you? Yes.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’้จ™ใ—ใŸใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
112:19
Is this a word you got coming up with? Shall we mention it?
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆ€ใ„ใคใ„ใŸ่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ ่จ€ๅŠใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
112:22
You can't mention it because the word con, of course is is short for confidence.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใ€Œconใ€ใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใฏใ€Œconfidenceใ€ใฎ็•ฅ่ชžใชใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่จ€ๅŠใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
112:28
So you get a person's confidence, you con that person.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ไบบใฎไฟก้ ผใ‚’ๅพ—ใฆใ€ใใฎไบบใ‚’้จ™ใ™ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
112:34
You are using a person's confidence to, to to get things from them.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€็›ธๆ‰‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ€็›ธๆ‰‹ใฎ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
112:39
A confidence trickster is another one that we sometimes use.
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็งใŸใกใŒๆ™‚ใ€…ไฝฟใ†ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ใคใฎ่ฉๆฌบๅธซใฏใ€่ฉๆฌบใงใ™ใ€‚
112:44
Or con artist. Con artist? Yeah. Con man.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏ่ฉๆฌบๅธซใ€‚ ่ฉๆฌบๅธซ๏ผŸ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ่ฉๆฌบๅธซใ€‚
112:49
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฏ
112:51
Somebody who who convinces you that they are legitimate.
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ๆญฃๅฝ“ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’็ดๅพ—ใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ไบบใ€‚
112:57
And, they've got your best interests at heart, and then they take you for money or something like that.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅฟƒใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅˆฉ็›Šใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚„ใใ‚Œใซ้กžใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’็›ฎ็š„ใซใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
113:04
But, yeah, a con artist or a con person, but we would say con man is what we used to say.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€่ฉๆฌบๅธซใงใ‚‚่ฉๆฌบๅธซใง ใ‚‚ใ€ๆ˜”ใฏ่ฉๆฌบๅธซใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
113:10
That's it. But yes, somebody who deceives you,
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ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็ขบใ‹ใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’้จ™ใ—ใฆไฟก้ ผ
113:15
brings you into their
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ใ‚’ๅ‹ใกๅพ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใฏ
113:16
confidence, and then you trust them, and then they're just waiting for that moment that they can.
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ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใฎไบบใ‚’ไฟก้ ผใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใใฎ ไบบใฏใŸใ ใใ‚ŒใŒใงใใ‚‹็žฌ้–“ใ‚’ๅพ…ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
113:22
Maybe you they need some money or something like that.
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ใŸใถใ‚“ใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใŒๅฟ…่ฆใชใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
113:26
I mean, a common one now is I get a lot on my mobile phone.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ไปŠใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ๆบๅธฏ้›ป่ฉฑใงใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
113:31
Well, we will not be talking about that anymore.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฏใ‚‚ใ†่ฉฑใ•ใชใ„ใ“ใจใซใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
113:33
Okay. We've got to move on because we are running out of time as well. Get rich quick.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚‚ใชใใชใฃใฆใใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅ…ˆใซ้€ฒใพใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ™ใใซ้‡‘ๆŒใกใซใชใ‚‹ใ€‚
113:38
Mr. Steve, I have a great plan for you.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่จˆ็”ปใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
113:42
Oh, yes. I've got to tell you about it.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใซ่ฉฑใ•ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
113:44
This this now, this plan will mean that in a year from now, you will be financially secure.
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ไปŠใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฎŸ่กŒใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€1ๅนดๅพŒใซใฏ ็ตŒๆธˆ็š„ใซๅฎ‰ๅฎšใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
113:52
I guarantee you that you can earn up to $50,000 a month.
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ๆœˆใซๆœ€ๅคง 50,000 ใƒ‰ใƒซ็จผใ’ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ไฟ่จผใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
113:58
Oh, Mr. Duncan, yes, and I know you. So I trust you to. Do you want to know more?
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใฏใ„ใ€็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ไฟก้ ผใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚‚ใฃใจ่ฉณใ—ใ็Ÿฅใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
114:03
I absolutely, I you know, I'm sick of my job.
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ใพใฃใŸใใ€็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไป•ไบ‹ใซใ†ใ‚“ใ–ใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
114:06
Too often these these people play on your fears or your insecurities.
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ใ“ใ†ใ—ใŸไบบใ€…ใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆๆ€–ๅฟƒใ‚„ไธๅฎ‰ๆ„Ÿใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅคšใ™ใŽใพใ™ใ€‚
114:11
So yeah, I Mr.
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114:11
Duncan, I, you know, I want more money. I'm in debt.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€
ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€็งใฏใ€ใ‚ใฎใญใ€ใ‚‚ใฃใจใŠ้‡‘ใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚ ๅ€Ÿ้‡‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
114:15
I hate my job.
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็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไป•ไบ‹ใŒๅซŒใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
114:17
I want to be financially free and you've got an ideal proposition.
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็งใฏ็ตŒๆธˆ็š„ใซ่‡ช็”ฑใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ็†ๆƒณ็š„ใชๆๆกˆใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
114:22
All of those things are true. But the way that. Yes, it's a great scheme.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏใ™ในใฆ็œŸๅฎŸใงใ™ใ€‚ ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใฎใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใฏใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่จˆ็”ปใงใ™ใญใ€‚
114:27
Now, all you have to do is sign up and you have to give me.
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ไปŠใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใฏใ€ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒณใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ—ใฆ็งใซไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
114:30
Now there is there is a fee that you have to pay to join this thing.
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ“ใฎใ‚คใƒ™ใƒณใƒˆใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใซใฏๆ–™้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ”ฏๆ‰•ใ†ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
114:35
Oh, right.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใ ใ€‚
114:36
But it's it's only ยฃ1,000, but it's only ยฃ1,000.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใฃใŸใฎ 1,000 ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใฃใŸใฎ 1,000 ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
114:41
But I guarantee by the end of this year you will be earning $50,000 a month.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไปŠๅนดใฎ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใงใซ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆœˆใซ5ไธ‡ใƒ‰ใƒซใ‚’็จผใใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใจไฟ่จผใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
114:48
So what's ยฃ1,000 for a mr. Duncan? Well, that's that's a registering fee.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใƒŸใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใซใจใฃใฆ 1,000 ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใฏใ„ใใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€‚ ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณ๏ผŸ ใพใ‚ใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏ็™ป้Œฒๆ–™ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ†
114:53
I promise that will also allow me to send you some of the information about my, my lovely scheme that I have
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ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ฑŠใ‹ใซใ™ใ‚‹ ็งใฎ็ด ๆ•ตใช่จˆ็”ปใซใคใ„ใฆใฎๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚‚้€ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใจ็ด„ๆŸใ—ใพใ™
115:00
that will make you really, really rich.
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115:03
So as you can see from that, I am promising Mr. Steve something that
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใŠๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€็งใฏใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ๆฐใซใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใ็œŸๅฎŸใงใ‚‚็พๅฎŸใงใ‚‚ใชใ„ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’็ด„ๆŸใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™
115:09
probably is not true or real.
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ใ€‚
115:13
Get rich quick.
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ใ™ใใซ้‡‘ๆŒใกใซใชใ‚‹ใ€‚
115:16
There is no such thing
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115:19
as getting rich quick unless you win the lottery.
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ๅฎใใ˜ใซๅฝ“ใŸใ‚‰ใชใ„้™ใ‚Šใ€ไธ€ๆ”ซๅƒ้‡‘ใชใ‚“ใฆใ‚ใ‚Šใˆใชใ„ใ€‚
115:23
Well, well, yes, but then.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใชใ‚‰ใ€‚
115:26
But then even that, the odds of that are so small. So. Yeah.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ‚‚ใใฎๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใฏ้žๅธธใซๅฐใ•ใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใงใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
115:31
I mean, you have no chance of winning the lottery, but if a person offers you something
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฎใใ˜ใซๅฝ“ใŸใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใฏใชใ„ใŒใ€ ใ‚‚ใ—่ชฐใ‹ใŒไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใปใฉ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ‚ใชใŸใซๆไพ›ใ—ใŸใชใ‚‰
115:37
that seems too good to be true,
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115:42
it is too good to be true.
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ใใ‚Œใฏไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใปใฉ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ ใ€‚
115:45
It is not real. It is fake.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็พๅฎŸใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏๅฝ็‰ฉใงใ™ใ€‚
115:48
They are trying to get money from you.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๅฅชใŠใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
115:51
Get rich quick. No one gets rich quickly.
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ใ™ใใซ้‡‘ๆŒใกใซใชใ‚‹ใ€‚ ใ™ใใซ้‡‘ๆŒใกใซใชใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใฏใ„ใชใ„ใ€‚
115:55
Unless, of course, they are lucky enough to to pick the right numbers in the lottery, but otherwise it takes hard work.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ๅฎใใ˜ใงๆญฃใ—ใ„ๆ•ฐๅญ—ใ‚’้ธในใ‚‹ใปใฉๅนธ้‹ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐๅˆฅใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใใ†ใงใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐๅคงๅค‰ใชๅŠชๅŠ›ใŒๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
116:03
Lots and lots of motivation, lots and lots of blood, sweat and tears as well.
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ€ ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ่ก€ใ€ๆฑ—ใ€ใใ—ใฆๆถ™ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
116:12
Yes, probably.
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116:12
We saw a programme the other night about, And in fact I got involved.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
ๅ…ˆๆ—ฅใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็•ช็ต„ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ็งใ‚‚ๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
116:17
I won't say what it is. Don't worry, Mr. Duncan.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒไฝ•ใชใฎใ‹ใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€‚
116:19
Okay, let's just call it a multi-level marketing. Yeah. It's organisation.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใƒžใƒซใƒใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใƒžใƒผใ‚ฑใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใจๅ‘ผใณใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏ็ต„็น”ใงใ™ใ€‚
116:25
It has.
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ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
116:26
It has a very particular shape.
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116:29
If you've ever been to Egypt,
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116:32
they have a lot of those things.
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116:34
Then, sometimes referred to as a, as a, a pyramid scheme. Oh, okay.
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116:40
I wasn't going to use the word again where you are recruited by somebody, usually somebody, you know,
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116:48
who says they've got this wonderful business opportunity and, it could be makeup.
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116:54
It could be all sorts of different things. It could be health drinks.
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116:58
Yes, I mean, seminars, and, the sort of the way it works is that, is that you you are supposed to
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117:10
sell some of this product to your friends.
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117:13
And then you will also recruit some other friends to do some selling, and then they recruit other people,
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117:21
and then they show you this model whereby suddenly you'll be massively rich in about a year's time.
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117:28
Yeah.
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117:29
So that's it's based on the fact that you're recruiting all these other people to sell products for you.
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117:34
Can I just stop you there, Steve? Recess. Because we've got to make sure we're clear on this.
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117:38
That sort of selling is not a scam.
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ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช่ฒฉๅฃฒใฏ่ฉๆฌบใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
117:42
So a scam is so technically I know, I know where you're coming from, but technically, is
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117:50
is not a legal or a scam because most of these companies still exist and they haven't been closed down.
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117:56
But I know it means Steve, it is very easy to get sucked in to these things,
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118:03
especially when the the the promise of fortune is just
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็‰นใซใ€ๅนธ้‹ใฎ็ด„ๆŸใŒ
118:11
out of reach and all you have to do is give some money,
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118:15
give some of your time, and choose lots and lots of other people to help your business grow.
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118:21
Unfortunately, reality is not quite
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118:26
the same.
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118:27
Yes, usually you you've got this something and they sort of fish now fishing.
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ใฏใ„ใ€้€šๅธธใฏไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใฆ ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไปŠ้‡ฃใ‚Šใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
118:35
Somebody put that under earlier, which is quite common on the internet, on emails, fishing at its peak age.
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒๅ…ˆใปใฉใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ›ธใใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใ‚„้›ปๅญใƒกใƒผใƒซใ€ๆœ€็››ๆœŸใฎ้‡ฃใ‚Šใงใฏใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ๆตทใงๅฎŸ้š›ใซ้ญšใ‚’้‡ฃใ‚‹้‡ฃใ‚Š
118:44
I qiang I think it's spelt different to the, the sort of fishing for actual fish in the sea. Yes.
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ใจใฏ็ถดใ‚ŠใŒ้•ใ†ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ ใฏใ„ใ€‚
118:54
I've put the word on the screen.
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ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒชใƒผใƒณใซใใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’่กจ็คบใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
118:57
That's it. Somebody mentioned that earlier. So thanks for that.
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ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚ ๅ…ˆใปใฉ่ชฐใ‹ใŒใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
118:59
Is, is where is where somebody is, is trying to get your identity usually or
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119:07
get you to log in to, click on, on a link somewhere, to get your identity.
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ใ€ใƒญใ‚ฐใ‚คใƒณใ•ใ›ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ใฉใ“ใ‹ใฎใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใ‚’ใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ•ใ›ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่บซๅ…ƒใ‚’ๅ…ฅๆ‰‹ใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
119:15
And they usually use sort of urgency or fear as a means of doing it.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้€šๅธธใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฎŸ่กŒใ™ใ‚‹ๆ‰‹ๆฎตใจใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎ็ทŠๆ€ฅๆ€งใ‚„ๆๆ€–ใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
119:20
For example, I get quite a lot on my phone where they say to me, oh, your delivery by Royal Mail has been delayed.
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€็งใฎๆบๅธฏ้›ป่ฉฑใซใฏใ€ใ€Œ ใƒญใ‚คใƒคใƒซใƒกใƒผใƒซใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹้…้”ใŒ้…ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใƒกใƒผใƒซใŒ้ ป็นใซๅฑŠใใพใ™ใ€‚
119:29
Royal mail is, is our main postal service here.
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ใƒญใ‚คใƒคใƒซใƒกใƒผใƒซใฏใ€ใ“ใ“ใฎไธปใช้ƒตไพฟใ‚ตใƒผใƒ“ใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
119:33
And it's a text that says your your your parcel has been delayed.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ท็‰ฉใŒ้…ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใƒกใƒƒใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใงใ™ใ€‚
119:39
Please.
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ใŠ้ก˜ใ„ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
119:40
So please click here to get it re delivered or something like that.
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119:45
And of course it's a con. Yeah.
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119:47
Because well the other, the other of course is, is just somebody promising you something normally large sums of money.
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119:57
Now I, I have my email address and Steve, I can tell you I get around 500
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120:06
fake spam junk
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120:09
emails every month in my account, and many of them are lonely widows who have $20 million that they want to give to me.
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120:19
For some reason, they've chosen me out of all the people on the planet.
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120:24
They've decided to to send me all of their lovely, vast, massive fortune.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎใ™ใฐใ‚‰ใ—ใ่Žซๅคงใช่ฒก็”ฃใฎใ™ในใฆใ‚’็งใซ้€ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฑบใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
120:29
And all I have to do is send the cover charge for the transfer.
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็งใŒใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใฏใ€้€้‡‘ๆ‰‹ๆ•ฐๆ–™ใ‚’้€ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
120:36
So I have to send them some money first so they can send me their millions and millions of dollars to my bank account.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใพใšๅฝผใ‚‰ใซใ„ใใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’้€ใ‚‰ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใšใ€ใใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ็งใฎ้Š€่กŒๅฃๅบงใซไฝ•็™พไธ‡ใƒ‰ใƒซใ‚‚้€้‡‘ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
120:43
But the but the sum of money I have to send is normally quite small.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใŒ้€ใ‚‰ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„้‡‘้กใฏ้€šๅธธใ‹ใชใ‚Šๅฐ‘้กใงใ™ใ€‚
120:47
Maybe ยฃ1000 or ยฃ2000.
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ใŸใถใ‚“1000ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใ‹2000ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใ€‚
120:52
Which which is small.
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ใฉใ‚ŒใŒๅฐใ•ใ„ใ‹ใ€‚
120:53
When you compare it to the millions I'm going to receive, the only problem is it's a scam.
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็งใŒๅ—ใ‘ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ๆ•ฐ็™พไธ‡ใƒ‰ใƒซใจๆฏ”่ผƒใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ ๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎๅ•้กŒใฏใใ‚ŒใŒ่ฉๆฌบใ ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
121:00
It isn't. It's a scam.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ้•ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏ่ฉๆฌบใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‹ใคใฆใฏใ€
121:02
It used to be Nigel Aryan princes and Nigerian millionaires who were transferring their money from their funds
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ใƒŠใ‚คใ‚ธใ‚งใƒซใƒปใ‚ขใƒผใƒชใ‚ข็Ž‹ๅญใ‚„ใƒŠใ‚คใ‚ธใ‚งใƒชใ‚ขใฎๅ„„ไธ‡้•ท่€…ใŸใกใŒใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใฎ่ณ‡้‡‘ใ‹ใ‚‰่ณ‡้‡‘ใ‚’็งปใ—
121:12
and they wanted to to give it to well, I had lots of offers many years ago.
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ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’่ชฐใ‹ใซไธŽใˆใŸใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚ไฝ•ๅนดใ‚‚ๅ‰ใซใ€็งใ‚‚ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ็”ณใ—ๅ‡บใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
121:17
Lots of Nigerian princes and businessmen were all trying to send me millions and millions of dollars.
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ๅคšใใฎใƒŠใ‚คใ‚ธใ‚งใƒชใ‚ขใฎ็Ž‹ๅญใ‚„ๅฎŸๆฅญๅฎถใŒ ็งใซไฝ•็™พไธ‡ใƒ‰ใƒซใ‚‚้€ใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
121:26
Unfortunately,
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ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใŒใ‚‰ใ€
121:29
I never took
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121:30
up the offer because they were all, unfortunately, scams.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏใ™ในใฆ่ฉๆฌบใ ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€็งใฏใใฎ็”ณใ—ๅ‡บใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
121:36
And here's another word from Valentin a Ponzi scheme.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒดใ‚กใƒฌใƒณใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ใคใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใฏใ€ใƒใƒณใ‚ธใƒผใ‚นใ‚ญใƒผใƒ ใงใ™ใ€‚
121:39
Oh, that's a good one.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
121:40
That's a good one.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
121:41
Again, it's a it's a kind of scam involving, sort of investments.
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็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏไธ€็จฎใฎๆŠ•่ณ‡ใซ้–ขใ‚ใ‚‹่ฉๆฌบใงใ™ใ€‚
121:47
I think that's more sort of involved with investment,
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ใใ‚ŒใฏๆŠ•่ณ‡ใซ่ฟ‘ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆŠ•่ณ‡ใ™ใ‚‹
121:49
where you give your money to somebody who promises to sort of double it or something by investing it.
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ใ“ใจใงใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๅ€ๅข—ใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใจใ‹ใ€ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’็ด„ๆŸใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใซใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆธกใ™ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
121:57
Yeah.
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121:58
In these, wonderful, companies that they, they, they, they alone know are going to be successful.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ไผๆฅญใฏใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใ ใ‘ใŒ ๆˆๅŠŸใ™ใ‚‹ใจ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
122:08
That's it.
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122:08
And you give them your money and they will promise, you know, in two years to double it by investing it somewhere on the stock market.
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ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚
ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅฝผใ‚‰ใซใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆธกใ™ใจใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ ชๅผๅธ‚ๅ ดใฎใฉใ“ใ‹ใซๆŠ•่ณ‡ใ—ใฆ 2 ๅนดไปฅๅ†…ใซ 2 ๅ€ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็ด„ๆŸใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
122:16
But in reality, they just take your money, and they don't invest it at all, probably.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็พๅฎŸใซใฏใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใง ใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใใ‚Œใ‚’ใพใฃใŸใๆŠ•่ณ‡ใ—ใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
122:22
And they.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€‚
122:24
Yeah.
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122:24
So that's that's what a Ponzi scheme is.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใƒใƒณใ‚ธใ‚นใ‚ญใƒผใƒ ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
122:27
It's more sort of to do with financial, aspects.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใฉใกใ‚‰ใ‹ใจใ„ใ†ใจใ€่ฒกๅ‹™็š„ใชๅด้ขใจ้–ขไฟ‚ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
122:32
And of course, that area, that area is incredibly risky.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใใฎๅœฐๅŸŸใ€ใใฎๅœฐๅŸŸใฏ้žๅธธใซๅฑ้™บใงใ™ใ€‚
122:36
So this is the reason why nowadays, if you are going to trust someone to invest your money,
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ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใงใฏใ€ ่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’ไฟก้ ผใ—ใฆ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆŠ•่ณ‡ใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ†ๅ ดๅˆใ€
122:43
you've got to make sure you can see that person.
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ใใฎไบบ็‰ฉใŒ่ชฐใชใฎใ‹ใ‚’ๅฟ…ใš็ขบ่ชใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„็†็”ฑใงใ™ใ€‚
122:45
If you can be local to that person, you know them personally and you're not just doing it through the internet.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใฎไบบใฎ่ฟ‘ใใซใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฎไบบใ‚’ๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใซ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’้€šใ˜ใฆ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
122:52
That is the problem nowadays.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒๆ˜จไปŠใฎๅ•้กŒ็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
122:54
We've we have become so, so used to using the internet for everything.
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็งใŸใกใฏใ€ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใ“ใจใซใ™ใฃใ‹ใ‚Šๆ…ฃใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ้›ป่ฉฑใฎ
123:00
We forget that the person at the other end might not be the person they say they are.
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็›ธๆ‰‹ใŒใ€ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ๆœฌไบบใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’็งใŸใกใฏๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
123:06
They could be someone who is trying to trick you into giving them your money.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’้จ™ใ—ใฆใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆธกใ•ใ›ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบ็‰ฉใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
123:13
And it does happen quite often.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Š้ ป็นใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
123:15
The rule of thumb is, isn't it?
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123:17
If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. As I said earlier,
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ไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใปใฉ่‰ฏใ™ใŽใ‚‹่ฉฑใซๆ€ใˆใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ๅ…ˆใปใฉใ‚‚่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
123:24
and anything that it's offered to you, if it seems great, like if I said to Mr.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใซๆๆกˆใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎใŒ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใจๆ€ใˆใฐใ€ไพ‹ใˆใฐ็งใŒใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใซใ€Œ
123:30
Steve, I had an amazing business idea and all he had to do was invest ยฃ10,000, I think.
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็งใซใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ ใ€ๅฝผใฏ1ไธ‡ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚’ๆŠ•่ณ‡ใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ„ใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
123:38
I think Steve would definitely say, I don't think so.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใชใใ€Œใใ†ใฏๆ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ ใ‚ใ†ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
123:42
I think you are trying to scam me.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ็งใ‚’้จ™ใใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
123:46
And of course the final one, Mr. Steve, is love.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ๆœ€ๅพŒใฏใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ๆ„›ใงใ™ใ€‚
123:50
Oh love.
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123:52
I think this is the worst of all the types of scam.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹็จฎ้กžใฎ่ฉๆฌบใฎไธญใงๆœ€ๆ‚ชใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
123:58
When you use a person's emotions, maybe they are a lonely person, divorced or even widowed.
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ไบบใฎๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€ ใใฎไบบใฏๅญค็‹ฌใชไบบใ€้›ขๅฉšใ—ใŸไบบใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏๆœชไบกไบบใงใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
124:06
Maybe their husband or wife has died and they've been left some money.
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ๅคซใ‹ๅฆปใŒไบกใใชใ‚Šใ€ใ„ใใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎใŠ้‡‘ใŒๆฎ‹ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใฎใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
124:10
A person who is targeted,
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ๆจ™็š„ใจใชใ‚‹ไบบ็‰ฉ
124:13
and the way they use that person's emotions to get everything from them.
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ใจใ€ใใฎไบบใฎๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆ ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๅฅชใ„ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใ€‚
124:21
I think that is the worst type of scam.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒ—ใฎ่ฉๆฌบใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
124:24
And the other one, of course, is that a lot of these scammers, prey on the elderly.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ†ใฒใจใคใฏใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ ใ“ใ†ใ—ใŸ่ฉๆฌบๅธซใฎๅคšใใŒ้ซ˜้ฝข่€…ใ‚’็‹™ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
124:30
They play up, they play on, or they try to take advantage of.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€่ช‡ๅผตใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€่จ€ใ„็ถšใ‘ใŸใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
124:34
I should put that put it that way.
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ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใตใ†ใซ่จ€ใ†ในใใงใ™ใญใ€‚
124:36
Someone's vulnerabilities and, age is a kind of vulnerability.
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่ชฐใ‹ใฎๅผฑ็‚นใ€ใใ—ใฆๅนด้ฝขใฏไธ€็จฎใฎๅผฑ็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
124:44
And maybe some people I mean my mother was, my mother got caught out by this, but I'm talking about huge sums of money.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใไธ€้ƒจใฎไบบใ€…ใ€ใคใพใ‚Š็งใฎๆฏใฏใ€ ใ“ใฎใ“ใจใงๆ•ใพใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏๅทจ้กใฎใŠ้‡‘ใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
124:55
A person that comes into your life and, and you don't have I don't think you have to be old, though.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไบบ็”Ÿใซ็พใ‚Œใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใชใ„ไบบใฏใ€ ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ๅนดใ‚’ใจใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
125:01
You might be lonely. You could be in your 40s and lonely, but you have lots of money.
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ๅฏ‚ใ—ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‚ˆใ€‚ 40ไปฃใงๅญค็‹ฌใงใ‚‚ใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
125:06
And then you start looking around, maybe on a dating site, and then you think you found the right person.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅ‡บไผšใ„็ณปใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใชใฉใงๆŽขใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใซ ใดใฃใŸใ‚Šใฎไบบใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใŸใจๆ€ใ†ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
125:13
And they seem lovely. They seem so charming and witty.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็ด ๆ•ตใซ่ฆ‹ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใจใฆใ‚‚้ญ…ๅŠ›็š„ใงๆฉŸ็ŸฅใซๅฏŒใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
125:18
They seem like that could be the one that could be the person you want to spend the rest of your life with.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใ“ใใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆฎ‹ใ‚Šใฎไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’ๅ…ฑใซ้Žใ”ใ—ใŸใ„ไบบใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ไบบใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ€ใˆใพใ™ ใ€‚
125:24
All they need.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซๅฟ…่ฆใชใ‚‚ใฎใฏใ™ในใฆใ€‚
125:28
All you need is is some money
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ๅฟ…่ฆใชใฎใฏใ„ใใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
125:32
and they will slowly, over time, introduce these things into the relationship.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใ‚†ใฃใใ‚Šใจ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’้–ขไฟ‚ใฎไธญใซๅ–ใ‚Šๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
125:38
Whatever it is, money will slowly become
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ใใ‚ŒใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใฏใ‚†ใฃใใ‚Šใจ
125:43
a big feature of the relationship and they are using your emotional weakness which is looking for someone looking for love.
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้–ขไฟ‚ใฎๅคงใใช็‰นๅพดใจใชใ‚Šใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ๆ„›ใ‚’ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚’ๆŽขใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ„Ÿๆƒ…็š„ใชๅผฑ็‚นใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
125:52
You want someone to be near, to trust, to have and to hold.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€่ชฐใ‹ใŒ่ฟ‘ใใซใ„ใฆใ€ไฟก้ ผใ—ใ€ๆ‰€ๆœ‰ใ—ใ€ๆŠฑใใ—ใ‚ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœ›ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
125:58
Yes. But certainly as well as that, it's anything that your
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ
126:04
whatever, your vulnerability is, there will be somebody out there will try to exploit it, for their own benefit.
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ๅผฑ็‚นใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅˆฉ็›ŠใฎใŸใ‚ใซๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใŒใฉใ“ใ‹ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
126:14
And so, quite often my mother used to get lots of phone calls,
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็งใฎๆฏใฏ
126:20
because she was elderly, living on her own, particularly during the pandemic period.
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้ซ˜้ฝขใงไธ€ไบบๆšฎใ‚‰ใ—ใ ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€ ็‰นใซใƒ‘ใƒณใƒ‡ใƒŸใƒƒใ‚ฏใฎๆ™‚ๆœŸใซใฏ้ ป็นใซใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ้›ป่ฉฑใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
126:28
She felt very lonely.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅญค็‹ฌใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
126:29
And many elderly people get these just these phone calls.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅคšใใฎ้ซ˜้ฝข่€…ใŒใ“ใ†ใ—ใŸ้›ป่ฉฑใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใพใ™ใ€‚
126:34
And my mother just wanted to talk to somebody, and she would get into conversations with whoever was on there.
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ๆฏใฏใŸใ ่ชฐใ‹ใจ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ„ใ ใ‘ใ ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€ ใใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹่ชฐใจใงใ‚‚ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
126:40
We used to warn, you know, don't if you don't know them, don't have anything to do it.
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็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ˆใใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ใชใ‚‰ไฝ•ใ‚‚ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใชใ„ใจ่ญฆๅ‘Šใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
126:44
But one of them managed to get through and conned my mother into signing up for something.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใฎใ†ใกใฎ1ไบบใŒใชใ‚“ใจใ‹็ช็ ดใ—ใ€็งใฎๆฏใ‚’้จ™ใ—ใฆ ไฝ•ใ‹ใซใ‚ตใ‚คใƒณใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ•ใ›ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏ
126:51
I think it was insurance that she didn't need.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใซใฏๅฟ…่ฆใฎใชใ„ไฟ้™บใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
126:54
Wasn't a huge sum of money, but I remember looking through her bank.
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ๅคงใ—ใŸ้‡‘้กใงใฏใชใ‹ใฃใŸใŒใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฎ้Š€่กŒๅฃๅบงใ‚’่ชฟในใŸใฎใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
126:57
I used to go through my mum's bank statements to to help her, you know, every month.
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็งใฏๆฏใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ€ๆฏŽๆœˆๆฏใฎ้Š€่กŒๅ–ๅผ•ๆ˜Ž็ดฐๆ›ธใ‚’ใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
127:02
She used to like me to do that.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ็งใŒใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๅฅฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใ€‚
127:03
And I noticed one month there was this new payment, ยฃ120 a month or something.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆœˆใ€ ๆœˆ้ก 120 ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใฎๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ๆ”ฏๆ‰•ใ„ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
127:08
And I said, what's this, mum? She said, I don't know. Anyway, we looked into it. It turned out
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ€ŒใŠๆฏใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใ€Œๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใจใซใ‹ใใ€่ชฟในใฆใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
127:14
this company, we found the bank and it was a scam.
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ใ“ใฎไผš็คพใฏใ€้Š€่กŒใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใฆ่ฉๆฌบใ ใจๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
127:20
They were phoning people up and getting them to.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไบบใ€…ใซ้›ป่ฉฑใ—ใฆใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซไฟƒใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
127:22
They would prey on the elderly people, who were very trusting, maybe and maybe bit lonely and con them into signing up
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€้žๅธธใซไฟก้ ผใงใใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅฐ‘ใ—ๅญค็‹ฌใช้ซ˜้ฝข่€…ใ‚’้คŒ้ฃŸใซใ—ใฆใ€
127:34
to, you know, some kind of fake insurance policy, but it's it's everywhere.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎๅฝใฎไฟ้™บใซๅŠ ๅ…ฅใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ้จ™ใ—ๅ–ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใฉใ“ใซใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’
127:40
There's always somebody out there trying to scam you, will con you into some.
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้จ™ใใ†ใจใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€้จ™ใ—ๅ–ใ‚ใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใฏๅธธใซๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใพใ™ ใ€‚
127:46
And and this is one of the most worrying ones is the one
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅฟƒ้…ใชใ“ใจใฎไธ€ใคใงใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
127:51
that involved your, your need for another human being to be with you in your life.
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ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไบบ็”Ÿใซไป–ใฎไบบ้–“ใŒไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฎๅฟ…่ฆๆ€งใซ้–ขใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
127:57
I think that of all of all the cons of all the the tricks that a human being can play on another using a person's emotions
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ไบบ้–“ใŒไป–ไบบใฎๆ„Ÿๆƒ…
128:08
or their weakness, a moment of weakness where they might be lonely or they feel vulnerable.
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ใ‚„ๅผฑใ•ใ€ๅญค็‹ฌใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใŸใ‚Š ใ€ๅ‚ทใคใใ‚„ใ™ใ„ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ๅผฑใ„็žฌ้–“ใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆไป–ไบบใซไป•ๆŽ›ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹็ญ–็•ฅใฎๆฌ ็‚นใฎใ™ในใฆใฏใ€ใใ‚Œใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ็งใฏๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
128:15
And that is the moment when people like that will try to get
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชไบบใ€…ใŒไป–ไบบใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ๅคšใใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹็žฌ้–“ใงใ™
128:22
what they can from someone else.
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ใ€‚
128:24
I think it is they are the worst of the worst.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆœ€ๆ‚ชไธญใฎๆœ€ๆ‚ชใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
128:28
They should be thrown into prison for ever and ever.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆฐธ้ ใซๅˆ‘ๅ‹™ๆ‰€ใซ้–‰ใ˜่พผใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ในใใ ใ€‚
128:30
But quite often they can take the money, Steve, and then vanish.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๅฅชใฃใฆๅงฟใ‚’ๆถˆใ™ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
128:35
And that's the blue. That's the worst part.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚ŒใŒ้’ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใŒๆœ€ๆ‚ชใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
128:40
Absolutely disgusting.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆฐ—ๆŒใกๆ‚ชใ„ใ€‚
128:42
Anyway, we hope, we hope none of you have been scammed, or conned,
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ใจใซใ‹ใใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใŒ่ฉๆฌบใซ้ญใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€้จ™ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚็งใŸใก
128:48
I mean, work, we get a lot of training at work to look out for phishing emails.
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ใฏ่ทๅ ดใงใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ทใƒณใ‚ฐใƒกใƒผใƒซใซๆณจๆ„ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใ€ๅคšใใฎ่จ“็ทดใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใŒใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚’่ช่ญ˜ใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
128:54
They're always putting us on training courses so that we can recognise those.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅธธใซ็งใŸใกใ‚’ใƒˆใƒฌใƒผใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ•ใ›ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
129:00
And there are certain things that you can.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
129:02
I mean, they get cleverer and cleverer at disguising, where they're from.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใฎๅ‡บ่บซๅœฐใ‚’้š ใ™ใฎใŒใฉใ‚“ใฉใ‚“ๅทงๅฆ™ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
129:09
But, yeah, they just want you to click on a link which then identifies you and and they can then,
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŸใ ใ‚ใชใŸใซใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใ‚’ใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ•ใ›ใ€ใใ‚Œใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’็‰นๅฎšใ•ใ›ใ€
129:19
get your computer filled with malware.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใ‚’ใƒžใƒซใ‚ฆใ‚งใ‚ขใงๆบ€ใŸใใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
129:22
Or get into the company's systems or your own system.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ไผš็คพใฎใ‚ทใ‚นใƒ†ใƒ ใ‚„่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚ทใ‚นใƒ†ใƒ ใซไพตๅ…ฅใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ˆใ
129:27
It's because of the, the common one we used to get was someone would phone and say they were from Microsoft,
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ ใƒžใ‚คใ‚ฏใƒญใ‚ฝใƒ•ใƒˆใฎไบบ้–“ใŒ้›ป่ฉฑใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใใฆใ€
129:34
and they've noticed your computer has a problem, and so they will
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใซๅ•้กŒใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใฎใงใ€
129:40
they will talk you into giving them access to your computer so they can remotely use the computer.
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ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใธใฎใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใ‚นใ‚’่จฑๅฏใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†่ชฌๅพ—ใ—ใฆใใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใ‚’ใƒชใƒขใƒผใƒˆใงไฝฟ็”จใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
129:51
Now that that one is not so popular anymore, because most people are aware that Microsoft will never, ever phone
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ไปŠใงใฏใ€ใ“ใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใฏใใ‚Œใปใฉไบบๆฐ—ใŒโ€‹โ€‹ใชใใชใฃใŸใ€‚ ใƒžใ‚คใ‚ฏใƒญใ‚ฝใƒ•ใƒˆใŒ่‡ชๅฎ…ใซ้›ป่ฉฑใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎไบบใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚
130:00
you at your house, there is no way that someone at Microsoft is is looking at everyone's computers to make sure they're working.
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ใ€ใƒžใ‚คใ‚ฏใƒญใ‚ฝใƒ•ใƒˆใฎ่ชฐใ‹ใŒ ๅ…จๅ“กใฎใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใ‚’ใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ—ใฆใ€ๆญฃๅธธใซๅ‹•ไฝœใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚’็ขบ่ชใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šๅพ—ใชใ„ใ€‚
130:09
Okay, so that doesn't exist.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
130:11
That is 100% a scam is another word, a charlatan.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ100๏ผ…่ฉๆฌบใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€่จ€ใ„ๆ›ใˆใ‚Œใฐใƒšใƒ†ใƒณๅธซใงใ™ใ€‚
130:18
Oh very. Bots put that on.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ใƒœใƒƒใƒˆใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’ไป˜ใ‘ใพใ™ใ€‚
130:21
Thanks for that.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
130:22
Yes, a charlatan, a person. Hoffman, a person who pretends to be something they are not.
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ใฏใ„ใ€่ฉๆฌบๅธซใงใ™ใ€ไบบ้–“ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใƒ›ใƒ•ใƒžใƒณใฏใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใงใฏใชใ„ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่ฃ…ใ†ไบบใงใ™ใ€‚
130:29
Yes, a con person.
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ใฏใ„ใ€่ฉๆฌบๅธซใงใ™ใ€‚
130:31
Nuh And you know, they might be trying to get something from you.
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ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚
130:36
Con artist. Charlatan.
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่ฉๆฌบๅธซใ€‚ ใƒšใƒ†ใƒณๅธซใ€‚
130:38
I think you can use those words interchangeably.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๅ˜่ชžใฏๅŒใ˜ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงไฝฟ็”จใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
130:40
There are other words I want to use, but I can't use them here on YouTube, unfortunately.
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ไป–ใซใ‚‚ไฝฟใ„ใŸใ„่จ€่‘‰ใฏใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใŒใ‚‰YouTubeใงใฏไฝฟใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
130:45
It's a shame. Well, I think look, have you noticed what time it is, Steve?
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆฎ‹ๅฟตใ ใ€‚ ใˆใฃใจใ€่ฆ‹ใฆใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ไปŠไฝ•ๆ™‚ใ‹ๆฐ—ไป˜ใใพใ—ใŸใ‹ ๏ผŸ
130:50
I have, and I knew it was getting late because I was feeling hungry and, in need of a cup of tea.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใŠ่…นใŒ็ฉบใ„ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงใ€ใŠ่Œถใ‚’้ฃฒใฟใŸใใชใฃใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ†้…ใใชใฃใฆใใŸใจๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
130:57
Yes. Me too.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ็งใ‚‚ใ€‚ ๆญฃ็›ดใซ
130:59
I have to say, I forgot to bring my water with me into the studio, so I didn't have it actually here with me.
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่จ€ใ†ใจใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฟใ‚ธใ‚ชใซๆฐดใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚ŒใŸ ใฎใงใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ“ใ“ใซใฏๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
131:05
So I took a big risk today just in case my throat became dry, I think.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ๅ–‰ใŒไนพใ„ใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใซๅ‚™ใˆใฆใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏๅคงใใชใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅ†’ใ—ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
131:11
I think the reason is I'm wearing my scarf, you see?
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็†็”ฑใฏ็งใŒใ‚นใ‚ซใƒผใƒ•ใ‚’ๅทปใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
131:15
So my throat has stayed nice and warm.
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ๅ–‰ใฏๅฟƒๅœฐใ‚ˆใๆธฉใ‹ใ„ใพใพใงใ™ใ€‚
131:19
But it's been great to be here, Mr. Duncan.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ“ใ“ใซๆฅใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
131:21
Yes. I can put down my notebook and go into the kitchen and make you a cup of tea and some of my, hot crust.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใƒŽใƒผใƒˆใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ‚ญใƒƒใƒใƒณใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ€ ใŠ่Œถใจๆธฉใ‹ใ„ใƒ‘ใƒณใฎใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ไฝœใฃใฆใ‚ใ’ใพใ™ใ€‚
131:29
Not hot, crisp and bread. Some of my tea cake. Bread.
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็†ฑใใชใใ€ใ‚ซใƒชใ‚ซใƒชใงใƒ‘ใƒณใฃใฝใ„ใ€‚ ็งใฎใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ญใฎไธ€้ƒจใ€‚ ใƒ‘ใƒณใ€‚
131:32
Oh, sultanas and butter. I'm going to put pure butter on today for you.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ตใƒซใ‚ฟใƒŠใจใƒใ‚ฟใƒผใ€‚ ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ็ด”็ฒ‹ใชใƒใ‚ฟใƒผใ‚’ๅก—ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
131:36
I know you're trying to lower your cholesterol. Well, as the doctor said, the doctor did say
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ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚นใƒ†ใƒญใƒผใƒซใ‚’ไธ‹ใ’ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใŠ ๅŒป่€…ใ•ใ‚“ใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
131:43
you can still have a treat
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ใŠใ‚„ใคใ‚’ๆ™‚ใ€…้ฃŸในใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ‚ˆใจใŠๅŒป่€…ใ•ใ‚“ใฏ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰
131:46
now and again, so you don't have to completely cut out all of the stuff you enjoy eating.
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ใ€ๅฅฝใใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ใ™ในใฆๅฎŒๅ…จใซใ‚ซใƒƒใƒˆใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
131:52
Sometimes you can give yourself a little treat, which is what we will be doing at the moment.
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ๆ™‚ใ€…ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ—ใŸใ”่ค’็พŽใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ ใ€‚ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŸใกใŒไปŠใ‚„ใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ
131:57
I don't feel as though I've paid that much attention to the live chat today.
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ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใซใใ‚Œใปใฉๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๆ‰•ใฃใŸๆฐ—ใŒใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
132:00
We've been so busy talking about other subjects
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็งใŸใกใฏไป–ใฎ่ฉฑ้กŒใงๅฟ™ใ—ใใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใง
132:03
I haven't really had time to to mention, all the lovely people that have been on there today.
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ใ€ ไปŠๆ—ฅใใ“ใซใ„ใŸ็ด ๆ•ตใชไบบใŸใกๅ…จๅ“กใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‚ใพใ‚Šใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
132:10
But maybe next time. So I look forward to seeing you all again.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ๆฌกๅ›žใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใงใฏใพใŸ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใซใŠไผšใ„ใงใใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
132:15
Next Sunday, Mr.
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ๆฅ้€ฑใฎๆ—ฅๆ›œๆ—ฅใซใ€
132:17
Duncan will be posting new lessons, and he'll be doing his live stream again on Wednesday.
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ใƒ€ใƒณใ‚ซใƒณๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใฏๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ๆŠ•็จฟใ— ใ€ๆฐดๆ›œๆ—ฅใซๅ†ใณใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใ‚นใƒˆใƒชใƒผใƒ ใ‚’่กŒใ†ไบˆๅฎšใงใ™ใ€‚
132:22
So tune into that and I'll see you all, a week from now.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ไธ€้€ฑ้–“ๅพŒใซใพใŸใŠไผšใ„ใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
132:26
Thank you, Mr. Steve. There he goes. Give us a lovely smile and a wave.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ•ใ‚ใ€ๅฝผใฏ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ด ๆ•ตใช็ฌ‘้ก”ใจๆ‰‹ใ‚’ๆŒฏใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
132:34
There he goes.
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ใ•ใ‚ใ€ๅฝผใฏ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€‚
132:35
That was Mr. Steve.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
132:37
So now you know who Mr. Steve is. And he will be back with us next Sunday.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใงใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ๆฐใŒ่ชฐใชใฎใ‹ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใญใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใฏๆฅ้€ฑใฎๆ—ฅๆ›œๆ—ฅใซ็งใŸใกใฎใ‚‚ใจใซๆˆปใฃใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
132:42
Of course, we will have lots of other things to talk about next Sunday as well.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ๆฅ้€ฑใฎๆ—ฅๆ›œๆ—ฅใซใ‚‚ใ€ไป–ใซใ‚‚่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ†ใ“ใจใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใŒ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใจ้Žใ”ใ—ใŸ
132:47
I hope you've enjoyed the last two hours,
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ใ“ใฎ2ๆ™‚้–“ใ€
132:51
two hours and 30 minutes we've been with you.
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2ๆ™‚้–“30ๅˆ†ใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใŸใชใ‚‰ๅนธใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
132:54
I hope you've enjoyed the show.
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ใ‚ทใƒงใƒผใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
132:57
I will be back with you on Wednesday.
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ๆฐดๆ›œๆ—ฅใซใพใŸใŠไผšใ„ใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
132:59
Wednesday lines and look out for some new lessons as well.
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ๆฐดๆ›œๆ—ฅใฎใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใจๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใซใ‚‚ๆณจ็›ฎใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
133:04
During the week I will be posting new English lessons as well.
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ไปŠ้€ฑใฏๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่‹ฑ่ชžใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚‚ๆŠ•็จฟใ™ใ‚‹ไบˆๅฎšใงใ™ใ€‚
133:11
Thank you for your company. See you later.
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ใŠไป˜ใๅˆใ„ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใพใŸๅพŒใงใ€‚
133:14
You can watch this live stream again with lovely captions in your own language.
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ใ“ใฎใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใ‚นใƒˆใƒชใƒผใƒ ใฏใ€ ใ”่‡ช่บซใฎ่จ€่ชžใง็ด ๆ•ตใชๅญ—ๅน•ไป˜ใใงๅ†ๅบฆ่ฆ–่ดใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
133:20
Later on, and I will see you on Wednesday live from 2 p.m.
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ๆฐดๆ›œๆ—ฅใฎๅˆๅพŒ 2 ๆ™‚ใ‹ใ‚‰็”Ÿๆ”พ้€ใงใŠไผšใ„ใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
133:26
UK time. And of course,
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ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นๆ™‚้–“ใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€
133:29
until then, you know what's coming next.
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ใใ‚Œใพใงใฏใ€ๆฌกใซไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฏใ”ๅญ˜ใ˜ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
133:32
You do
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133:34
take care of yourselves, enjoy the rest of your day.
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ไฝ“่ชฟใซใฏๆฐ—ใ‚’ใคใ‘ใฆใ€ๆฎ‹ใ‚Šใฎไธ€ๆ—ฅใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
133:38
Take care of yourself and each other.
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใจใŠไบ’ใ„ใฎๅฅๅบทใซๆฐ—ใ‚’ใคใ‘ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
133:41
A big hello to you wherever you are and of course...
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใฉใ“ใซใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ๅฟƒใ‹ใ‚‰ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“...
133:52
ta ta for now.
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ไปŠใฏใ•ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‰ใ€‚
133:54
See you on Wednesday.
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ๆฐดๆ›œๆ—ฅใซไผšใ„ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
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