What it takes to make change | Jacqueline Novogratz

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審譯者: Shelley Tsang 曾雯海
幾年前,我到盧安達的 基加利去做簡報,
提出一個將獨立電網太陽能電力帶給
一千萬名低收入東非居民的計畫。
00:13
A few years ago, I found myself in Kigali, Rwanda
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當我在等候與總統 及他的部長見面時,
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presenting a plan to bring off-grid solar electricity
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我回想起三十年前 我也來過同樣的地方。
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to 10 million low-income East Africans.
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當年我才二十五歲, 離開了金融業的職涯,
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As I waited to speak to the president and his ministers,
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和一小群盧安達女子共同創立了
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I thought about how I'd arrived in that same place 30 years before.
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該國第一間微額信貸銀行。
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A 25-year-old who left her career in banking
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銀行創立的幾個月前, 女性才剛爭取到
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to cofound the nation's first microfinance bank
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無須丈夫簽章即可 在銀行開戶的權利。
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with a small group of Rwandan women.
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在我即將上台前,
00:39
And that happened just a few months after women had gained the right
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一名年輕女子來找我。
00:43
to open a bank account without their husband's signature.
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她說:「諾沃格拉茨小姐, 妳應該認識我的姑姑。」
00:47
Just before I got on stage,
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「真的嗎?她叫什麼名字?」
00:49
a young woman approached me.
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她說:「費里庫拉。」
00:51
"Ms. Novogratz," she said,
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00:53
"I think you knew my auntie."
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我感到熱淚盈眶。
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"Really?
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00:56
What was her name?"
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費里庫拉是盧安達 最早的女國會議員之一,
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She said, "Felicula."
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也是我的共同創辦人,
01:01
I could feel tears well.
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但就在我們創立銀行後沒多久,
01:04
One of the first women parliamentarians in the country,
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她就因一場離奇的 肇事逃逸事故身亡。
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Felicula was a cofounder,
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有些人認為她的死亡 和她所支持的一項政策有關,
01:10
but soon after we'd established the bank,
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Felicula was killed in a mysterious hit-and-run accident.
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該政策是要廢除聘金,
或者花錢請一個男人 在婚姻中照顧女兒的做法。
01:16
Some associated her death to a policy she had sponsored
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to abolish bride price,
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她的死讓我心力交瘁。
01:22
or the practice of paying a man for the hand of his daughter in marriage.
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她過世的幾年後,
我離開了盧安達之後,
盧安達發生了種族大屠殺。
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I was devastated by her death.
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我必須要承認,有些時候,
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And then a few years after that,
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01:34
after I'd left the country,
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我會想到這麼多人所付出的心血,
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Rwanda exploded in genocide.
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納悶這些心血加起來有多少。
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And I have to admit there were times
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when I thought about all the work so many had done,
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我繼續對那名女子說:
01:46
and I wondered what it had amounted to.
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「對不起,能不能 再說一次你的名字?」
她說:「好的,我叫蒙妮克,
我是盧安達國家銀行的副行長。
01:53
I turned back to the woman.
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01:54
"I'm sorry, would you tell me who you are again?"
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當我們才剛剛開始不到一個世代,
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She said, "Yes, my name is Monique,
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如果此時你告訴我,
02:01
and I'm the deputy governor of Rwanda's National Bank."
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會有一名年輕女子協助 領導她國家的金融部門,
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If you had told me when we were just getting started
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我可能不會相信你。
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that within a single generation,
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我了解我回到同樣的地方
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a young woman will go on to help lead her nation's financial sector,
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是要接續費里庫拉起頭但無法 在有生之年完成的工作。
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I'm not sure I would have believed you.
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02:18
And I understood that I was back in that same place
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輪到我來重新承諾 要實現這個大夢想,
大到我可能也無法在有生之年完成。
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to continue work Felicula had started but could not complete in her lifetime.
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那晚,我決定寫封信給下一個世代,
02:28
And that it was to me to recommit
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02:30
to dreams so big I might not complete them in mine.
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因為好多人將他們的 智慧和知識傳給了我,
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That night I decided to write a letter to the next generation
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因為我越來越覺得要快點著手,
不然我可能無法完成我要來做的事,
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because so many have passed on their wisdom and knowledge to me,
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而且我也想要再繼續傳承給
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because I feel a growing sense of urgency
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所有想要用自己獨有的方式
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that I might not finish the work I came to do,
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在世界上創造改變的人。
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and because I want to pass that forward
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那個世代走上了街頭。
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to everyone who wants to create change in this world
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他們緊迫地呼籲大規模改變,
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in ways that only they can do.
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要求改變種族不公、
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That generation is in the streets.
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宗教及人種迫害、
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They are crying urgently for wholesale change
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災難性的氣候變遷,
以及嚴重的不平等,嚴重到我們之間
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against racial injustice,
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分裂與不合的程度 是我此生所見最高峰。
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religious and ethnic persecution,
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03:11
catastrophic climate change
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但我要對他們說什麼?
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and the cruel inequality that has left us more divided
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我是建造者,所以我從 著重克服技術障礙開始著手。
03:16
and divisive than ever in my lifetime.
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03:20
But what would I say to them?
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但我們的問題糾纏在一起,
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I'm a builder, so I started by focusing on technical fixes,
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太多關聯。
我們需要的不只是改變體制。
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but our problems are too interdependent,
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我們需要改變想法。
柏拉圖寫過,
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too entangled.
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國家尊崇什麼,就會培育出什麼。
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We need more than a system shift.
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長久以來,我們都用金錢、 權力,和名聲來定義成功。
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We need a mind shift.
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03:38
Plato wrote that a country cultivates what it honors.
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現在我們得要展開艱難、 漫長的道德革命工作。
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For too long, we have defined success based on money, power and fame.
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我指的是將我們的共通人性
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Now we have to start the hard, long work of moral revolution.
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以及地球的永續性 擺在我們體制的核心,
並把大我(我們全體)放在先,
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By that I mean putting our shared humanity
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而不是小我(我個人)。
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and the sustainability of the earth at the center of our systems,
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如果我們每個人給予世界的 都比向世界索求的多,會如何?
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and prioritizing the collective we,
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一切就會改變。
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not the individual I.
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諷世者可能會說 這聽起來太理想化了,
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What if each of us gave more to the world than we took from it?
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但未來不是諷世者創造的。
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Everything would change.
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雖然我學到了盡情樂觀的傻念頭,
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Now cynics might say that sounds too idealistic,
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我和那些緊緊抓住頑強 希望的人站在同一陣線。
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but cynics don't create the future.
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And though I've learned the folly of unbridled optimism,
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我知道改變是有可能的。
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I stand with those who hold to hard-edged hope.
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曾經與我及我的團隊 合作過的企業家及變革促進者
已經影響了超過三億名低收入者,
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I know that change is possible.
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有時甚至做到可以重新改造 整個部門來將窮人納入。
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The entrepreneurs and change agents with whom my team and I have worked
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have impacted more than 300 million low-income people,
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但,如果要談道德革命,
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and sometimes reshaped entire sectors to include the poor.
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就一定要根據實際性和意義來談,
而那就需要一組全新的運作原則。
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But you can't really talk about moral revolution
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讓我在這裡分享三條原則。
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without grounding it in practicality and meaning,
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第一,道德想像力。
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and that requires an entirely new set of operating principles.
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我們幾乎時時刻刻都在使用 我們自己想像力的濾鏡,
就連在為生活與我們截然不同的人
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Let me share just three.
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05:01
The first is moral imagination.
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設計解決方案時,也不例外。
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Too often we use the lens only of our own imagination,
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道德想像力的第一步,
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even when designing solutions
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是將他人視為和我們自己平等,
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for people whose lives are completely different from our own.
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沒有誰比較高誰比較低,
不做理想化,也不去扮演受害者。
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Moral imagination starts by seeing others as equal to ourselves,
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這就需要進入到他人的生活中,
了解是什麼結構阻擋了他們,
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neither above nor below us,
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neither idealizing nor victimizing.
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且要誠實面對他們在什麼情況下 可能會有所保留。
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It requires immersing in the lives of others,
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understanding the structures that get in their way
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那就需要抱持詢問的立場, 而非肯定的立場,
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and being honest about where they might be holding themselves back.
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來做深刻的傾聽。
數年前,我和一群女性織布工一起
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That requires deep listening from a place of inquiry,
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坐在巴基斯坦的一個偏鄉村落外。
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not certainty.
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那天非常熱……
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Several years ago I sat with a group of women weavers
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在陰影處也有四十九度。
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outside in a rural village in Pakistan.
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我想要告訴這些女子 我的組織所投資的一間公司,
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The day was hot ...
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over 120 degrees in the shade.
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該公司的宗旨在將太陽能產生的光
帶給印度及東非的數百萬人,
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I wanted to tell the women about a company my organization had invested in
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而我見過那種光有多強的轉變力,
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that was bringing solar light to millions of people across India and East Africa,
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讓大家去做許多 我們視為理所當然的事。
我說:「我們有這種光。 大約七塊美金。」
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and I had seen the transformative power of that light
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大家都說很棒。
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to allow people to do things so many of us just take for granted.
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如果我們能說服那間公司 將那些產品帶到巴基斯坦來,
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"We have this light" I said,
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你們會不會感興趣?」
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"costs about seven dollars.
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這些女子瞪著眼,
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People say it's amazing.
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接著,一名雙手滿是 粗工痕跡的高大女子看著我,
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If we could convince the company to bring those products to Pakistan,
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一邊擦掉臉上的汗水一邊說:
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would you all be interested?"
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06:21
The women stared,
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「我們不想要光。我們很熱。
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and then a big woman whose hands knew hard work looked at me,
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帶電扇給我們。」
我說:「電扇。我們沒有電扇。
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wiped the sweat off her face and said,
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我們有光。如果有這種光, 孩子晚上就能讀書,
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"We don't want a light.
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06:31
We're hot.
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Bring us a fan."
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你能做更多工作——」她打斷了我。
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"Fan," I said.
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「我們的工作夠了。我們很熱。
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"We don't have a fan.
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06:36
We have a light.
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帶電扇給我們。」
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But if you had this light, your kids can study at night,
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那段非常直白的談話,
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you can work more -- "
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06:42
She cut me off.
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加深了我的道德想像力。
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"We work enough. We're hot.
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06:46
Bring us a fan."
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我記得我躺下來——
晚上在家庭旅館的床上熱到很難受,
06:49
That straight-talking conversation deepened my moral imagination.
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對於頭頂上有節奏地 嗄嗄作響的電扇感到很感激。
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And I remember lying --
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06:56
sweltering in my bed in my tiny guest house that night,
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我心想:「當然了。
電力。
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so grateful for the clickety-clack of the fan overhead.
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電扇。
尊嚴。」
現在當我去造訪我們的公司,
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And I thought, "Of course.
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那些公司已經將光和電力 帶給超過一億人,
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Electricity.
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07:09
A fan.
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且那裡真的很熱,
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Dignity."
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如果有個屋頂上的系統,
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And when I now visit our companies
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附有電扇就很好。
07:14
who've reached over 100 million people with light and electricity
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但,若要重建和治癒我們的國家,
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and it's a really hot place,
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07:19
and if there's a rooftop system,
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道德想像力也是必要的。
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there is also a fan.
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我的國家正在動盪中,
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But moral imagination is also needed to rebuild and heal our countries.
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因為它終於去正視 本來不想看見的東西。
如果我們所有人都能真正 進入到黑人的生活當中,
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My nation is roiling as it finally confronts
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就不可能否認美國奴隸制度的遺毒。
07:33
what it's not wanted to see.
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每個國家的療癒過程都始於
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It would be impossible to deny the legacy of American slavery
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其人民開始看見彼此
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if all of us truly immersed in the lives of Black people.
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07:44
Every nation begins the process of healing
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並了解到那些努力種下了
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when its people begin to see each other
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個人與集體轉變的種子。
07:52
and to understand that it is in that work that are planted the seeds
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那需要能夠承認每個人身上
都有光與影、好與壞。
07:57
of our individual and collective transformation.
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在我們的世界裡,我們得要學習
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Now that requires acknowledging the light and shadow,
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如何與我們眼中的敵人合作。
08:04
the good and evil that exist in every human being.
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這就帶到了第二條原則:
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In our world we have to learn to partner with those
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保持相反立場之間的張力。
08:11
even whom we consider our adversaries.
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現今有太多領導人都會選邊站,
08:14
This leads to the second principle:
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大聲叫囂。
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holding opposing values in tension.
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道德領導人會排拒二選一的那道牆。
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Too many of our leaders today stand on one corner or the other,
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他們會願意認可對方的信念中
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shouting.
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也有真相或甚至部分真相。
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Moral leaders reject the wall of either-or.
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他們取得信任的方式, 是做出有原則的決策,
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They're willing to acknowledge a truth or even a partial truth
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來服務他人,
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in what the other side believes.
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而不是為自己。
08:35
And they gain trust by making principled decisions
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我的工作若要成功, 就需要保有足夠的張力
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in service of other people,
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存在於推動創新和繁榮的市場力量
08:42
not themselves.
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08:44
To succeed in my work has required holding the tension
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與有可能被排除
甚至被利用的市場風險之間。
08:48
between the power of markets to enable innovation and prosperity
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如果認為企業的唯一目的就是獲利,
08:53
and their peril to allow for exclusion
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對那種張力就會感到不舒服,
08:57
and sometimes exploitation.
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那些完全不相信企業的人亦是如此。
09:00
Those who see the sole purpose of business as profit
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但不論選哪一邊站,
都會減少去學習使用市場 而非被市場誘惑的潛力,
09:04
are not comfortable with that tension,
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09:07
nor are those who have no trust in business at all.
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而這潛力是有創意、有生產力的。
09:10
But standing on either side negates the creative, generative potential
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以巧克力為例。
它是上兆美金的產業,
09:16
of learning to use markets without being seduced by them.
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要仰賴五百萬個小農家庭的勞力,
09:20
Take chocolate.
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這些家庭只能得到 那一兆美金中的一點點。
09:23
It's a hundred-billion-dollar industry
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事實上,
09:25
dependent on the labor of about five million smallholder farming families
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他們當中有 90% 的人 可能一天賺不到兩塊錢。
09:28
who receive only a tiny fraction of that 100 billion.
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但有一個世代的新企業家
09:32
In fact, 90 percent of them make under two dollars a day.
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在試圖改變這個現象。
他們一開始先去了解 農民的生產成本。
09:38
But there's a generation of new entrepreneurs
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他們同意訂出一個價格, 讓農民能真正賺取收入,
09:40
that is trying to change that.
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09:42
They start by understanding the production costs of the farmers.
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且要能夠維生。
09:47
They agree to a price that allows the farmers to actually earn income
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有時還會納入利潤分紅 和所有權模型,
建立有信任的共同體。
09:53
in a way that will sustain their lives.
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這些公司是否會像只著重
09:55
Sometimes including revenue-share and ownership models,
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股東價值的公司一樣賺錢?
09:59
building a community of trust.
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短期可能不會。
10:02
Now are these companies as profitable
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但這些企業家著重的是解決問題。
10:05
as those that focus solely on shareholder value?
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他們厭倦了簡單的標語, 比如「做好就能過得好」。
10:09
Possibly not in the short term.
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10:11
But these entrepreneurs are focused on solving problems.
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他們知道他們在財務上 得要能維持下去,
且他們堅持要把貧人和弱勢族群
10:17
They're tired of easy slogans like "doing well by doing good."
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納入到他們對成功的定義中。
10:21
They know they have to be financially sustainable,
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那就帶到了第三條原則:
伴隨。
10:24
and they are insisting on including the poor and the vulnerable
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這個用語來自耶穌會, 意思是並肩而行。
10:28
in their definition of success.
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我會為你拿著鏡子,協助你看見自己的潛能,
10:30
And that brings me to the third principle:
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可能會比你自己看到的更多。
10:32
accompaniment.
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10:34
It's actually a Jesuit term that means to walk alongside:
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我可以接你的問題, 但我無法為你解決它——
10:37
I'll hold a mirror to you, help you see your potential,
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你得自己學習解決。
10:40
maybe more than you see it yourself.
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比如,在哈林區, 有個組織叫做城市健康工作,
10:42
I'll take on your problem but I can't solve it for you --
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該組織僱用過去沒有任何 健康照護經驗的當地居民,
10:46
that you have to learn to do.
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10:49
For example, in Harlem there's an organization
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訓練他們與其他居民合作,
10:51
called City Health Works
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把慢性疾病控制得更好,
10:53
that hires local residents
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如痛風、高血壓、糖尿病。
10:56
with no previous health care experience,
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10:58
trains them to work with other residents
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我很榮幸能夠認識那裡的 健康工作者黛絲蒂妮貝爾頓,
11:01
so that they can better control chronic diseases like gout,
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她向我解釋她的工作。
她說她要去查看客戶的狀況,
11:04
hypertension, diabetes.
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檢查他們的生命徵象,
11:06
I had the great pleasure of meeting Destini Belton,
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帶他們去買雜貨,
11:09
one of the health workers,
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去做長程散步,
11:10
who explained her job to me.
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去談話。
11:12
She said that she checks in on clients,
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11:14
checks their vital signs,
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她告訴我:「我讓他們 知道有人會挺他們。」
11:16
takes them grocery shopping,
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11:17
goes on long walks,
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而成果十分驚人。
11:20
has conversations.
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11:22
She told me, "I let them know somebody has their back."
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病人變得更健康, 醫院的負擔減少了。
至於黛絲蒂妮,
她告訴我,她和家人都變得更健康。
11:27
And the results have been astounding.
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11:30
Patients are healthier, hospitals less burdened.
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「且,」她補充:
11:33
As for Destini,
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「我很喜歡能為 我的社區付出的感覺。」
11:35
she tells me her family and she are healthier.
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我們所有人都渴望被看見,
11:39
"And," she adds, "I love that I get to contribute to my community."
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渴望自己有價值。
改變的工作,道德革命的工作,
很困難。
11:46
All of us yearn to be seen,
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但在輕鬆的時候我們不會改變。
11:49
to count.
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在艱苦的時候我們才會改變。
11:51
The work of change,
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11:52
of moral revolution,
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事實上,我漸漸認為, 感到不舒服就表示正在進步。
11:54
is hard.
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11:55
But we don't change in the easy times.
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11:58
We change in the difficult times.
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但,還有一件事,
12:00
In fact, I've come to see discomfort as a proxy for progress.
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我希望我多年前剛開始時
就能知道這件事。
12:06
But there's one more thing.
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不論情況變得多艱困,
12:09
There's something I wish I'd known when I was just starting out
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一定都能找到美好之處。
現在我還記得,在很久以前,
12:13
so many years ago.
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我會花一整天時間,在肯亞 奈洛比的瑪薩瑞山谷貧民窟,
12:16
No matter how hard it gets,
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12:18
there's always beauty to be found.
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和一名又一名女子談話。
12:21
I remember now what seems a long time ago,
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我傾聽她們的故事, 掙扎與生存的故事,
12:23
spending an entire day talking to woman after woman
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她們談到失去孩子,
12:27
in the Mathare Valley slum in Nairobi, Kenya.
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對抗暴力及饑荒,
12:30
I listened to their stories of struggle and survival
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有時感到她們根本不可能活下來。
12:34
as they talked about losing children,
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12:36
of fighting violence and hunger,
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就在我離開前,
下了一場暴雨。
12:40
sometimes feeling like they wouldn't even survive.
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我坐在我的小車裡面, 車輪卡在泥巴中,
12:45
And right before I left,
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心想:「我永遠離不開這裡了。」
12:47
a huge rainstorm poured down.
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突然,有人來拍我的車窗——
12:49
And I was sitting in my little car as the wheels stuck in the mud
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一名女子示意我跟她走,
我跟去了。跳出車外,冒著大雨。
12:53
thinking, "I'm never getting out of here,"
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我們走在一條滿是泥巴的小徑上,
12:55
when suddenly there was a tap on my window --
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12:57
a woman who was beckoning me to follow her,
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穿過一扇搖搖晃晃的 金屬門,進入一間小屋,
13:00
and I did.
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13:01
Jumped out through the rainstorm,
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裡面有一群女子在盡情跳舞。
13:03
we went down this little muddy path,
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我立刻加入,沉醉在節奏、
13:06
through a rickety metal door,
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色彩,和微笑當中,
13:08
inside a shack
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我突然了解到:
13:10
where a group of women were dancing with abandon.
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13:12
I jumped in and found myself lost in the rhythm and the color and the smiles
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這就是我們人類會做的事。
當我們沮喪時,
13:18
and suddenly I realized:
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當我們感到我們正在/ 已經落入絕望中時,
13:21
this is what we do as human beings.
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我們就會跳舞。
我們就會唱歌。
13:25
When we're broken,
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我們就會禱告。
13:27
when we feel that we are failing or are in despair,
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美好也存在於「到場」當中,
13:31
we dance.
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「付出注意力」當中,
13:33
We sing.
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13:34
We pray.
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「當我們不想仁慈時 還能表現仁慈」當中。
13:36
Beauty resides too in showing up,
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看看在我們集體面對危機時
13:41
in paying attention,
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13:42
in being kind when we feel like being anything but kind.
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所爆發出來的藝術、音樂,和詩作。
在最黑暗的時刻,
13:47
Look at the explosion of art and music and poetry
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我們才有機會找到 我們最深處的美好。
13:51
in this moment of our collective crisis.
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讓這個時刻成為
13:55
It is in the darkest times
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我們向前邁進的時刻,
13:57
that we have the chance to find our deepest beauty.
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我們迫切需要一個新的世代,
14:01
So let this be our moment
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要用我們最淵博的集體智慧來打造。
14:05
to move forward
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14:07
with the fierce urgency of a new generation
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並問問你自己:
14:10
fortified with our most profound and collective wisdom.
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今天剩下的時間,人生剩下的日子,
你能做些什麼,
來回饋這個世界,讓施比受更多?
14:17
And ask yourself:
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14:19
what can you do with the rest of today
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謝謝。
14:22
and the rest of your life
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14:24
to give back more to the world than you take?
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14:28
Thank you.
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