Living sculptures that stand for history's truths | Sethembile Msezane
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譯者: Lilian Chiu
審譯者: Helen Chang
00:12
I'd like for you to take a moment
to imagine this with me.
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我想請各位花點時間和我一起想像。
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You're a little girl of five years old.
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你是個五歲的小女孩,
00:21
Sitting in front of a mirror,
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坐在一面鏡子前,
00:23
you ask yourself,
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問自己:
00:26
"Do I exist?"
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「我存在嗎?」
00:29
In this space, there is
very little context,
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這個空間中的情境太少,
00:31
and so you move into a different one,
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所以你移到另一個不同的空間,
00:34
one filled with people.
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一個滿滿是人的空間中。
00:36
Surely, now you know you're not
a figment of your own imagination.
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當然,現在你知道你不是
自己想像出來的虛構人物。
00:41
You breathe their air.
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你呼吸著他們的空氣。
00:43
You see them,
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你看見他們,
00:44
so they must see you.
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所以他們一定也看見了你。
00:47
And yet, you still can't help but wonder:
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但是,你忍不住會想:
00:52
Do I only exist when people speak to me?
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只有當人們對我說話時,
我才存在嗎?
00:57
Pretty heavy thoughts for a child, right?
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對孩子而言,這些想法挺沉重吧?
01:00
But through various artworks
that reflect upon our society,
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但是透過反映我們社會的
各種藝術作品,
01:05
I came to understand
how a young black girl can grow up
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我開始了解到,
年輕的黑人女孩在成長過程中
會覺得她彷彿被視而不見,
01:09
feeling as if she's not seen,
and perhaps she doesn't exist.
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甚至或許不存在。
01:16
You see, if young people don't have
positive images of themselves
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要知道,如果年輕人
沒有正面的自我印象,
01:19
and all that remains
are negative stereotypes,
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只剩下負面的刻板印象,
01:23
this affects their self-image.
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會影響到他們的自我形象,
01:26
But it also affects the way
that the rest of society treats them.
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也會影響社會上其他人
對待他們的方式。
01:31
I discovered this
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我會發現這一點,
01:32
having lived in Cape Town
for about five years at the time.
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是因為當時在開普敦住了約五年,
01:36
I felt a deep sense
of dislocation and invisibility.
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深深感受到混亂和隱形。
01:43
I couldn't see myself represented.
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我看不見自己呈現出來,
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I couldn't see the women who've raised me,
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看不見養育我的婦女,
01:49
the ones who've influenced me,
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那些影響我的人,
01:50
and the ones that have made
South Africa what it is today.
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以及那些讓南非有了今日樣貌的人。
01:54
I decided to do something about it.
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我決定要做點什麼。
01:58
What do you think when you see this?
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看見這個,使你想到什麼?
02:03
If you were a black girl,
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如果你是個黑人女孩,
02:05
how would it make you feel?
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這會讓你有什麼感覺?
02:09
Walking down the street,
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沿著街道走著,
02:11
what does the city you live in say to you?
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你所居住的城市對你說了些什麼?
02:15
What symbols are present?
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呈現了哪些象徵?
02:17
Which histories are celebrated?
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哪些歷史被頌揚?
02:19
And on the other hand,
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而另一方面,
02:21
which ones are omitted?
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哪些被忽略了?
02:23
You see, public spaces are hardly
ever as neutral as they may seem.
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要知道,公共場所一點也不像
表面看來那麼中立。
02:28
I discovered this when I made
this performance in 2013 on Heritage Day.
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我在 2013 年的文化遺產日
表演時發現到這一點。
02:36
Cape Town is teeming
with masculine architecture,
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開普敦充滿了男子氣概的建築、
02:41
monuments and statues,
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紀念古蹟和雕像,
02:43
such as Louis Botha in that photograph.
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就像那張照片中的路易斯博塔。
02:46
This overt presence of white colonial
and Afrikaner nationalist men
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這樣公開地展現白人殖民
和荷裔南非民族主義男子,
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not only echoes a social,
gender and racial divide,
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不僅呼應社會、性別和種族的分裂,
02:58
but it also continues to affect
the way that women --
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還持續地影響女性──
03:03
and the way, particularly, black women --
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特別是黑人女性──
03:06
see themselves in relation
to dominant male figures
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相對於主宰的男性,
在公共場所看待她們自己的方式。
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in public spaces.
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03:16
For this reason, among others,
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因為這個和其他的理由,
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I don't believe that we need statues.
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我不認為我們需要雕像。
03:22
The preservation of history
and the act of remembering
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保存歷史和緬懷歷史的行動,
03:26
can be achieved in more memorable
and effective ways.
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可以用更難忘、更有效的方式。
03:32
As part of a year-long
public holiday series,
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做為長達一年
公定假日系列的一部分,
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I use performance art
as a form of social commentary
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我把表演藝術當作一種
評論社會的形式,
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to draw people's attention
to certain issues,
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來吸引人們注意某些議題,
03:43
as well as addressing the absence
of the black female body
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以及處理在公共紀念場所裡
沒有黑人女性身影的問題,
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in memorialized public spaces,
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especially on public holidays.
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特別是在公定假日裡。
03:54
Women's Day was coming up.
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婦女節快到了。
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I looked at what the day means --
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我查了這個日子的意義──
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the Women's March
to the union buildings in 1956,
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1956 年女性朝著聯邦大樓遊行,
04:04
petitioning against the pass laws.
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請願反對那限制黑人
自由遷徙的法律。
04:07
Juxtaposed with the hypocrisy
of how women are treated,
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對照女性如何被對待的偽善現況,
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especially in public spaces today,
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尤其是在現今的公共場所裡,
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I decided to do something about it.
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我決定要做點什麼。
04:19
Headline:
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標題:
04:20
[Women in miniskirt attacked at taxi rank]
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【穿迷你裙的婦女
在計程車等候站受到攻擊】
04:28
How do I comment on such polar opposites?
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我要如何評論這樣的兩極對立?
04:33
In the guise of my great-grandmother,
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我裝扮成曾祖母的樣子,
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I performed bare-breasted,
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以袒露胸部的方式,
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close to the taxi rank in KwaLanga.
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在關拉加的計程車等候站附近表演。
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This space is also called Freedom Square,
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這個場所也稱為自由廣場,
04:43
where women were a part of demonstrations
against apartheid laws.
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是婦女參與示威
抗議種族隔離政策的地方。
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I was not comfortable with women
being seen as only victims in society.
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我不太能接受婦女在社會裡
只被視為受害者。
04:56
You might wonder
how people reacted to this.
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或許你們會好奇
人們對這表演如何反應。
04:59
(Video) Woman: (Cheering)
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(影片)女子甲:(歡呼)
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Woman 2 (offscreen): Yes!
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女子乙(畫面外):好啊!
05:12
Sethembile Msezane: Pretty cool, huh?
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西珊比勒梅詹妮:很酷,是吧?
05:15
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
05:19
So I realized that through
my performances,
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我了解到,透過我的表演,
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I've been able to make regular people
reflect upon their society,
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能使一般人思考反省他們的社會,
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looking at the past
as well as the current democracy.
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審視過去以及目前的民主。
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(Video) Man (offscreen):
She's been there since three o'clock.
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(影片)男子甲(畫面外):
她自三點起就一直站在那裡了。
男子乙(畫面外):
比三點早一點。約站了一小時吧?
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Man 2 (offscreen): Just before three.
About an hour still?
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男子甲:是啊。只是今天好熱。
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Man 1: Yeah. It's just a really hot day.
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Man 1: It's very interesting.
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男子甲:非常有意思。
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It's very powerful.
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非常強而有力。
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I think it's cool.
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我覺得很酷。
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I think a lot of people
are quick to join a group
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我想有很多人很快地加入一個團體,
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that's a movement towards something,
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關注某樣議題的運動,
06:01
but not many people are ready
to do something as an individual.
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但沒有多少人已準備好
要以個人身分盡一份力。
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Man 2: So it's the individual
versus the collective.
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男子乙:這是個人對上集體。
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Man 1: Yeah.
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男子甲:是啊。
06:10
So I think her pushing her own
individual message in performance ...
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我認為她把自己個人的訊息
置入她的表演中 ……
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it's powerful.
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強而有力。
06:20
Yeah, I think it's quite powerful
that she's doing it on her own.
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是啊,她靠自己做這件事,
這一點真的是強而有力。
06:25
I'd be interested to know why
she's using hair extensions as wings,
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我會想要知道
為什麼她將頭髮延伸為翅膀,
06:29
or whatever those things are meant to be.
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不論那些是什麼,我想知道。
06:34
They are wings, yes?
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是翅膀,對吧?
06:38
Woman 3: With her standing
there right now,
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女子丙:現在她站在那裡,
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I think it's just my interpretation
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我想,這只是我自己的詮釋,
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that we are bringing the statue down
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我們要拆除這座雕像,
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and bringing up something
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換成其他東西,
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that's supposed to represent
African pride, I think.
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我想是換成能代表非洲自豪
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Or something like that.
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或類似的東西吧。
06:57
Something should stand while Rhodes falls,
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取下羅德斯,原地應要擺個什麼。
07:01
I think that's what it's saying. Yeah.
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我想這是它所要表達的。對。
07:04
Yes. Thank you.
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是的,謝謝你。
07:05
Man 3: What is behind me
represents the African culture.
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男子丙:在我身後的是
非洲文化的象徵。
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We can't have the colonialist law,
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我們不能有殖民主義法律,
07:11
so we need to remove
all these colonial statues.
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所以我們得要移除
所有這些殖民主義的雕像。
07:14
We have have our own statues now,
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現在我們有自己的雕像了,
07:17
our African leaders --
Bhambatha, Moshoeshoe, Kwame Nkrumah --
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我們的非洲領袖──班巴薩、
莫舒舒、夸梅恩克魯瑪──
07:22
all those who paid their lives
for our liberation.
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所有為解放我們
而付出生命的那些人。
07:26
We can't continue in the 21st century,
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進入 21 世紀,
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and after 21 years of democracy,
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有了 21 年民主之後,
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have the colonizers in our own country.
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我國不應持續有著殖民主義者。
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They belong somewhere.
Maybe in a museum; not here.
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他們可以被擺在某處,
也許博物館,但不是這裡。
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I mean learning institutions,
places where young people,
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我指的是學習機構,
那些培育年輕人、年輕才子的地方。
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young minds are being shaped.
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07:40
So we cannot continue to have Louis Botha,
Rhodes, all these people,
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所以我們不能繼續保有路昜斯博塔、
羅德斯、所有這類的人,
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because they're representing
the colonialism.
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因為他們代表殖民主義。
07:50
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
07:55
Sethembile Msezane: On April 9, 2015,
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西珊比勒梅詹妮:
2015 年 4 月 9 日,
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the Cecil John Rhodes statue
was scheduled to be removed
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預定要移除塞西爾
羅德斯雕像的那一天,
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after a month of debates
for and against its removal
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在各利害關係人辯論了一個月
是否要移除之後。
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by various stakeholders.
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08:10
This caused a widespread interest
in statues in South Africa.
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這事件引起南非各界
對雕像的廣泛興趣。
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Opinions varied, but the media
focused on problematizing
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各種意見都有,但媒體卻著重在
把移除雕像一事問題化。
08:20
the removal of statues.
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08:24
On that -- well, that year,
I had just begun my master's
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關於那點──嗯,
那年我剛開始在開普頓大學
攻讀碩士學位。
08:28
at the University of Cape Town.
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08:32
During the time
of the debate of the statue,
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在辯論雕像的那段期間,
08:35
I had been having reoccurring dreams
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我反覆做同樣的夢,
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about a bird.
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與一隻鳥有關。
08:41
And so I started conjuring her
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所以我開始召喚她,
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mentally, spiritually and through dress.
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心靈上、靈性上,以及透過服裝。
08:49
On that day,
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那一天,
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I happened to be having
a meeting with my supervisors,
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我正好與主管開會,
08:55
and they told me that the statue
was going to fall on that day.
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他們說雕像將會在那天被取下。
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I told them that I'd explain later,
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我告訴他們隨後我將會解釋,
09:02
but we had to postpone the meeting
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但現在必須要延後會議,
09:04
because I was going to perform her
as the statue came down.
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因為在雕像被移下時我要扮演她。
09:09
Her name was Chapungu.
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她的名字叫查蓬古,
09:11
She was a soapstone bird
that was looted from Great Zimbabwe
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是一隻皂石鳥,
於十九世紀末從大辛巴威被劫走,
09:15
in the late 1800s,
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09:17
and is still currently housed
in Cecil John Rhodes's estate
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目前仍被放在開普頓的
塞西爾羅德斯地產上。
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in Cape Town.
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09:23
On that day,
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那天,
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I embodied her existence using my body,
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我用自己的身體將她的存在具體化,
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while standing in the blazing sun
for nearly four hours.
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在烈日下站了將近四個小時。
09:35
As the time came,
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時候到了,
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the crane came alive.
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起重機動起來了。
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The people did, too --
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人們也動起來了──
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shouting,
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他們大叫、
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screaming,
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尖叫、
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clenching their fists
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緊握拳頭、
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and taking pictures of the moment
on their phones and cameras.
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用手機和相機拍照記錄下那個時刻。
09:49
Chapungu's wings,
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查蓬古的翅膀
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along with the crane,
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和起重機一起升起,
09:52
rose to declare the fall
of Cecil John Rhodes.
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宣告塞西爾羅德斯的殞落。
09:58
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
10:04
Euphoria filled the air
as he became absent from his base,
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空氣中充滿了狂喜,
他不再站立在基座上,
10:08
while she remained still,
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而她屹立不搖,
10:12
very present,
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一直在現場,
10:13
half an hour after his removal.
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他被移除後半小時她還在。
10:18
Twenty-three years after apartheid,
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種族隔離政策後 23 年,
10:21
a new generation of radicals
has arisen in South Africa.
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南非出現了激進的新世代。
10:24
The story of Chapungu and Rhodes
in the same space and time
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查蓬古和羅德斯
出現在同一時空的故事
10:29
asks important questions
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帶出一個重要問題,
10:31
related to gender,
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這問題與性別、
10:34
power,
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權力、
10:35
self-representation,
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自我表徵、
10:37
history making
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創造歷史,
10:38
and repatriation.
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以及遣送回國有關。
10:43
From then on,
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從那時開始,
10:44
I realized that my spiritual
beliefs and dreams
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我明白
是我的靈性信仰以及夢想
構成了我的物質現實。
10:49
texture my material reality.
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10:53
But for me, Chapungu's story
felt incomplete.
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但對我而言,查蓬古的故事
似乎並不完整。
10:56
This soapstone bird,
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這隻皂石鳥,
10:58
a spiritual medium and messenger
of God and the ancestors,
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靈性的媒介,神祇與祖先的信差,
11:02
needed me to continue her story.
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需要我來繼續她的故事。
11:05
And so I dabbled in the dream space
a little bit more,
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因此我又再涉入夢想空間一點點,
11:09
and this is how "Falling" was born.
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「殞落」就是這樣誕生的。
【影片製作:西珊比勒梅詹妮】
11:19
[A film by Sethembile Msezane]
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11:20
(Video) (A capella singing)
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(影片)(清唱)
11:51
[FALLING]
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【殞落】
11:58
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
12:02
In the film,
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在這部影片中,
12:03
Zimbabwe, South Africa and Germany
share a common story
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辛巴威、南非、德國
都有個共同的故事,
12:07
about the soapstone birds
that were looted from Great Zimbabwe.
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關於皂石鳥從大辛巴威
被掠劫走的故事。
12:12
After Zimbabwe gained its independence,
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在辛巴威獨立之後,
12:14
all the birds except for one
were returned to the monument.
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除一隻外,所有的鳥兒
都回到紀念碑原址。
12:18
"Falling" explores the mythological belief
that there will be unrest
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「殞落」探討一個神話信仰:
動盪將會持續不止,
直到最後一隻鳥兒返巢。
12:24
until the final bird is returned.
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12:28
Through my work,
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透過我的作品,
12:30
I have realized a lot
about the world around me:
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我對周遭的世界瞭解了很多:
12:34
how we move through spaces,
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我們如何在空間裡移動、
12:37
who we choose to celebrate
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我們選擇去讚頌誰,
12:39
and who we remember.
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以及我們紀念誰。
12:41
Now I look in the mirror
and not only see an image of myself,
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現在我看向鏡子,
不只看見自己的影像,
12:46
but of the women
who have made me who I am today.
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也看見讓我成為今日之我的女人。
12:50
I stand tall in my work,
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我挺立在我的作品中,
12:53
celebrating women's histories,
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讚頌女性的歷史,
12:56
in the hope that perhaps one day,
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希望也許有一天,
12:59
no little black girl has to ever feel
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不再有任何一個黑人小女孩
會覺得她似乎並不存在。
13:02
like she doesn't exist.
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13:04
Thank you.
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謝謝。
13:05
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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