An interview with the Queen of Creole Cuisine | Leah Chase and Pat Mitchell

翻译人员: Thomas Tam 校对人员: Congmei Han

Leah Chase: Oh, this is beautiful.

利亚：哦，这里真漂亮！

Oh, gosh, I never saw such a room

哦，天哪，我从没见过这么漂亮

and beauty and strength like I'm looking at.

又有气势的会场。

That's gorgeous. It is.

这里实在是光彩夺目。

It is a beautiful room.

真漂亮。

Pat Mitchell: I almost said your age, because you gave me permission,

帕特：我差点就说出 您的年龄，毕竟您也同意了，

but I realized that I was about to make you a year older.

但我意识到我差点 把您的年龄多报一岁。

You're only 94.

您毕竟只有 94 岁。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

(Applause)

（掌声）

LC: Yeah, I'm only 94.

利亚：是的，我才 94 岁。

(Applause)

（掌声）

I mean, you get this old and parts start wearing out.

我的意思是，当人这么老的时候， 身体各处的器官就开始退化了。

Your legs start wearing out.

比如说，我的腿已经开始不行了。

The one thing that my children always say:

我的孩子总是说：

"But nothing happened to your mouth."

“你的嘴巴却什么事也没有。”

(Laughter)

（笑声）

所以，你身上总得有点好地方， 我身上最完好的地方就是我的嘴了。

So you've got to have something going, so I've got my mouth going.

(Laughter)

（笑声）

PM: So Mrs. Chase, the first time we were there,

帕特：蔡斯太太， 我们第一次见面时，

I brought a group of young women, who work with us at TED,

我把一群在 TED 工作的年轻姑娘

into the kitchen,

带到了您的厨房，

and we were all standing around and you had already cooked lunch

我们站在您周围，而您已做好了

给几百人吃的午餐， 就如您每天都做的工作，

for hundreds of people, as you do every day,

and you looked up at them.

当时您抬头看着她们。

You have to share with this audience what you said to those young women.

现在您可得跟这些观众分享一下， 您对那些年轻姑娘说了什么。

LC: Well, you know, I talk to young women all the time,

利亚：嗯，我总是和年轻姑娘聊天，

and it's beginning to bother me,

这也使我开始感到烦恼，

because look how far I came.

因为我看到了自己这些年 一路走来的不易。

I'd come with women that had to really hustle and work hard,

我当年和女同事们不得不 拼命努力工作挣钱，

and they knew how to be women.

她们知道该做一个怎样的女人。

They didn't play that man down.

她们也不会看低男性。

And, well, we didn't have the education you have today,

不过，我们从没接受过 像你们如今所接受的教育，

and God, I'm so proud

但是上帝，我很自豪——

when I see those women with all that education under their belt.

当我看到这些女士 都有着这么高的学历。

That's why I worked hard,

这就是我努力工作的原因，

tried to get everybody to use those resources.

为了让人人都能获得这些教育资源。

So they just don't know their power,

但她们都不知道自己有多强大，

and I always tell them, just look at my mother,

所以我总是告诉她们，看看我妈妈，

had 12 girls before she had a boy.

生了 12 个女孩之后才有一个男孩。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

So you know how I came out.

所以你们就知道我是如何出生的了。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

Now, she had 14 children.

她一共生了 14 个孩子，

She raised 11 of us out of that 14,

其中的 11 个都健康长大了，

and up until last year, we were all still living,

直到去年我们还都健在，

a bunch of old biddies, but we're still here.

我们都成了一群老太婆了， 但起码还健在呢。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

And sometimes we can be just cantankerous and blah blah blah blah blah,

偶尔我们会吵吵嘴，打打架，

but we still go.

但我们仍然活得挺好。

And I love to see women.

我喜欢看到这样的女士。

You don't know what it does for me

你们不知道，看到你们这些

to see women in the position that you're in today.

有着各种成就的女士， 这对我意味着什么。

I never thought I'd see that.

我从没想过我能见到这一幕。

I never thought I'd see women

我从没想过会见到

be able to take places and positions that we have today.

女性能够在当今社会 拥有这样的地位和成就。

It is just a powerful thing.

这很令人鼓舞。

I had a young woman come to me.

曾经，有一位年轻姑娘来找我，

She was an African-American woman.

是一位非裔美籍姑娘。

And I said, "Well, what do you do, honey?"

我说：“亲爱的，你是做什么的?”

She said, "I am a retired Navy pilot."

她说：“我是一个退役的 海军飞行员。”

Oh God, that just melted me,

哦，上帝，这太令我激动了！

because I knew how hard it was to integrate that Navy.

因为我知道要进入海军有多难。

You know, the Navy was the last thing to really be integrated,

海军是最后一个 废止种族歧视的军种，

and that was done by Franklin Roosevelt

由富兰克林·罗斯福总统推动，

as a favor to an African-American man,

此举是对一位非洲裔美国人的恩惠，

莱斯特·格兰杰， 我很清楚他的背景，

Lester Granger, that I knew very well.

He was the head of the National Urban League back there,

那时他是城市联盟的领袖。

and when Roosevelt asked him,

当罗斯福总统告诉莱斯特，

he wanted to appoint Lester as maybe one of his cabinet members.

他想任命莱斯特担任内阁成员，

Lester said, "No, I don't want that.

莱斯特说：“不，这不是我所想要的，

All I want you to do is integrate that Navy."

我只想让你废除 海军的种族隔离政策。"

And that was what Franklin did.

这就是富兰克林总统所做的。

Well, Franklin didn't live to do it,

然而，富兰克林在有生之年 未能完成此事，

but Truman did it.

是杜鲁门总统完成的。

But when this woman told me,

但当这位女士告诉我，

"I have flown everything there is to fly,"

“我已经飞过那里所有的机型，”

bombers, just all kinds of planes,

轰炸机及其他各种飞机，

it just melted me, you know,

这让我心潮澎湃，

just to see how far women have come.

因为我见证了女性群体 这些年一路的奋斗。

And I told her, I said,

我告诉她，

"Well, you could get into the space program."

“哇，你可以进入太空计划了。”

她说：“但是，蔡斯太太， 我太老了。”

She said, "But Ms. Chase, I'm too old."

She was already 60-some years old,

她已经 60 多岁了，

and, you know, you're over the hill then.

过了那个村，没有那个店啦。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

They don't want you flying up in the sky at 60-something years old.

他们不想让一个 六十多岁的飞行员还在天上飞。

Stay on the ground.

在地上呆着吧。

When I meet women,

我所遇到的每位女士，

and today everybody comes to my kitchen,

都来到我的厨房，

and you know that,

你知道——

and it upsets Stella, my daughter.

这会使我的女儿斯特拉感到烦心。

She doesn't like people coming in the kitchen.

她不喜欢别人走进厨房。

But that's where I am,

但厨房才是我所在之处，

and that's where you're going to see me, in the kitchen.

你们也只有去厨房才能见到我。

So when they come there, I meet all kinds of people.

所以当她们来访， 我就能遇到各式各样的人。

And that is the thing that really uplifts me,

确实令我鼓舞的是，

is when I meet women on the move.

当我遇到不断进步的女性的时候。

When I meet women on the move, it is good for me.

这样的事情对我大有好处。

Now, I'm not one of these flag-waving women.

我不是那种狂热的爱国主义女性。

You're not going to see me out there waving.

你不会见到我挥舞爱国旗帜。

No, I don't do that.

我从不会这样做。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

No, I don't do that, and I don't want any of you to do that.

我不这样做，也不想你们这样做。

Just be good women.

我只想你们做个好女人。

And you know, my mother taught us ...

我母亲曾教导我们...

she was tough on us,

她对我们很严厉，

and she said, "You know, Leah,"

她说：“利亚，你得明白——”

she gave us all this plaque,

她给了我们所有的信条，

"to be a good woman, you have to first look like a girl."

“要做个好女人，首先， 你必须让人看着有女孩样。”

Well, I thought I looked like a girl.

好吧，我认为我有女孩样。

"Act like a lady."

“举止上，得像个淑女。”

That, I never learned to do.

那是我从未学会的。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

"Think like a man."

“思考时，要像男人那般。”

Now don't act like that man; think like a man.

但不要举止像个男人， 而是像男人那般思考。

And "work like a dog."

还有，“像狗一样工作。”

(Laughter)

（笑声）

So we learned that the hard way.

所以我们是从艰难中 学会了这些道理。

And they taught you that.

这些训诫教导的是——

They taught you what women had to do.

女人该做什么。

We were taught that women controlled the behavior of men.

我们被教导， 女人可以控制男人的行为。

How you act, they will act.

女人如何行动， 男人就会采取相应行动。

So you've got to do that, and I tell you all the time.

因此我总是告诉你们，必须这么做。

You know, don't play this man down.

不要贬低那些男人。

It upsets me when you may have a husband

让我感到心烦的是， 也许你找的丈夫

that maybe he doesn't have as much education under his belt as you have,

没有像你受过那么多的教育，

but still you can't play him down.

但你还是不能贬低他。

You've got to keep lifting him up,

你必须不断提升他，

because you don't want to live with a mouse.

因为你不会想要与鼠辈一起生活。

So you want that man to be a man, and do what he has to do.

所以你希望他像个男人， 能做他必须做的事情。

And anyway, always remember,

无论如何，永远记住——

he runs on cheap gas.

廉价汽油就能让男人跑起来。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

So fill him up with cheap gas --

所以用廉价的汽油填满他——

(Laughter)

（笑声）

and then, you got him.

然后，你就抓住了他。

It's just so --

就是这样——

(Laughter)

（笑声）

It's just --

就是这样——

PM: You have to give us a minute to take that in.

帕特：你必须给我们 点时间去消化这个玩笑。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

LC: When I heard this young lady speak before I came out --

利亚：在我出场之前， 我听到那位年轻女士在这里发言——

she was so beautiful,

她太漂亮了，

and I wished I could be like that,

我希望我能像她那样，

谈起我的丈夫，可怜的宝贝——

and my husband, poor darling --

I lost him after we were married 70 years --

在我们结婚 70 年之后， 他过世了——

didn't agree on one thing,

我们没有就任何一件事 达成过一致，

never did, nothing,

从来没有，

but we got along together

但我们一直相伴着，

because he learned to understand me,

因为他学会了理解我，

and that was just hard,

那是很难的，

because he was so different.

他做到了，因为他与众不同。

And that lady reminded me.

刚才发言的那位女士 让我想起来这一点。

I said, "If I would have just been like her,

我刚才也说了， “如果我能像她那样——

Dooky would have really loved it."

那么杜奇（我丈夫）会非常欢喜。”

(Laughter)

（笑声）

But I wasn't.

但我没有。

I was always pushy, always moving,

我总是固执己见，要往前冲，

always doing this,

一直都是这样，

and he used to come to me all the time, and he said,

我丈夫总是站在我这一边， 但他也对我说——

“亲爱的，上帝要惩罚你。”

"Honey, God's going to punish you."

(Laughter)

（笑声）

"You -- you're just not grateful."

“你太让人扫兴。”

But it isn't that I'm not grateful,

但其实不是我让人扫兴，

but I think, as long as you're living, you've got to keep moving,

而是我认为，既然活着， 就必须继续前进，

you've got to keep trying to get up

你要不断努力地站起来，

and do what you've got to do.

做你应该做的事。

(Applause)

（掌声）

You cannot sit down.

你不能原地不动，

You have to keep going,

你需要继续前进，

keep trying to do a little bit every day.

不断尝试每一天做一点点。

Every day, you do a little bit,

每一天，你要做一点点，

try to make it better.

尝试做得比之前更好，

And that's been my whole life.

这就是我的一生。

Well, I came up in the country, small town,

我出生于乡下小镇，

had to do everything, had to haul the water,

必须要干所有的活，包括打水，

had to wash the clothes, do this, do that,

洗衣服，做这个，做那个，

pick the dumb strawberries, all that kind of stuff.

摘什么破草莓， 所有类似这样的工作。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

But still, my daddy insisted that we act nice,

但是，我爸爸坚持秉承 我们要为人正派，

we be kind.

还要与人为善。

And that's all.

这就是全部。

当我听到刚才那位 年轻女士的发言——

When I heard this young woman --

oh, she sounds so beautiful --

真是动听——

I said, "I wish I could be like that."

所以我刚才说： “我真希望能像她那样。”

PM: Mrs. Chase, we don't want you to be any different than you are.

帕特：蔡斯太太，我们不想要 您有任何不同，您就是您。

There is no question about that.

这是毫无疑问的。

Let me ask you.

请您允许我这么说。

This is why it's so wonderful to have a conversation

这个访谈之所以如此精彩， 是因为——

with someone who has such a long view --

受访者（您）的眼光很长远——

LC: A long time.

利亚：只是我活得久而已。

PM: to remembering Roosevelt

帕特：为纪念罗斯福

and the person he did that favor for.

以及他所支持的那个人，

What is in your head and your mind

您的脑海中、您的心目中留存的

and what you have seen and witnessed ...

关于当年所目睹的…

One of the things that it's good to remember, always,

其中一个最美好的记忆，

is that when you opened that restaurant,

就是当您的餐馆开业时，

whites and blacks could not eat together in this city.

那时，这个城市里的黑人和白人 若是一起吃饭，

It was against the law.

就是违法。

And yet they did, at Dooky Chase. Tell me about that.

但他们在您的餐厅 Dooky Chase 可以这样做，请您讲讲这件事。

LC: They did, there.

利亚：他们确实在那里做到了。

那间餐厅是由我婆婆开办的，

Well, my mother-in-law first started this,

and the reason she started is,

她这么做的原因是，

because her husband was sickly, and he would go out --

她丈夫病倒了， 却需要出去挣钱——

and people from Chicago and all the places,

来自芝加哥和其他所有地方的人，

you would call his job a numbers runner.

会称他的工作是摆弄数字的。

But in New Orleans, we are very sophisticated --

但在新奥尔良， 我们很世故——

(Laughter)

（笑声）

so it wasn't a numbers runner,

我们不这么称呼他，

it was a lottery vendor.

而是叫他：彩票供应商。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

So you see, we put class to that.

我们的这种称呼高级一些，

But that's how he did it.

但他确实是做这行的。

And he couldn't go from house to house to get his clients and all that,

他不能像往常那样 挨家挨户去收集客户投注的数字，

because he was sick,

因为他病倒了，

so she opened up this little sandwich shop,

因此我婆婆开了这间 小小的三明治餐厅，

so she was going to take down the numbers,

她是想把丈夫的工作接替过来，

because he was sick a lot.

因为她丈夫病得很厉害。

He had ulcers. He was really bad for a long a time.

他得了溃疡，长期卧病在床。

So she did that --

于是她就开了那间小店——

and not knowing anything,

在什么都不懂的情況下，

but she knew she could make a sandwich.

但她知道她会做三明治。

She knew she could cook,

也知道自己会做饭。

and she borrowed 600 dollars from a brewery.

她从一家酿酒厂借了 600 美元。

Can you imagine starting a business today with 600 dollars

你能想象如今用 600 美元 就能创业吗，

and no knowledge of what you're doing?

而且创始人还不懂行？

And it always just amazed me what she could do.

她所能做到的，总是让我吃惊。

She was a good money manager.

她理财很出色。

That, I am not.

这方面，我就不行了。

My husband used to call me a bankrupt sister.

我的丈夫过去常叫我 破产姐姐。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

"She'll spend everything you got."

“她会花光你所有的钱。”

And I would, you know.

你知道吗？我会。

PM: But you kept the restaurant open, though,

帕特：虽然如此， 但您让餐厅一直运转着，

even in those times of controversy, when people were protesting

即使在那些争议不断的时期， 那时人们满街抗议示威，

and almost boycotting.

甚至还有公车抵制运动。

I mean, it was a controversial move that you and your husband made.

我的意思是， 你们夫妇的行为很有争议。

LC: It was, and I don't know how we did it,

利亚：是的，我不知道 我们是如何做到的。

but as I said, my mother-in-law was a kind, kind person,

但正如我所说，我的婆婆 是一个非常善良的人，

and you didn't have any African-Americans on the police force at that time.

在当时的警察部门中， 没有任何非裔美国人，

They were all white.

警察全是白人。

But they would come around,

但他们会来餐厅，

and she would say,

婆婆会说，

"Bebe, I'm gonna fix you a little sandwich."

“宝贝，我会给你做 一个小三明治。”

So she would fix them a sandwich.

所以她会给他们做三明治。

Today they would call that bribery.

这在今天可能要被说成是贿赂了。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

But she was just that kind of person.

但她就是那种善良的人。

She liked to do things for you.

她喜欢为别人做点事。

She liked to give.

她喜欢给予。

So she would do that,

所以她会那样做，

或许正是这种行为帮助了我们，

and maybe that helped us out,

because nobody ever bothered us.

因为没有人打扰过我们。

We had Jim Dombrowski, Albert Ben Smith,

我们的餐厅曾经接待过 吉姆‧多姆布罗夫斯基，艾伯特‧本史密斯，

who started all kinds of things right in that restaurant,

他们在餐厅里筹划了 各式各样的抗议活动，

and nobody ever bothered us.

但却没有被警察打扰过。

So we just did it.

所以我们就这样做到了。

PM: Excuse me.

帕特：请原谅我打断。

You talked to me that day

那天您提到了

about the fact that people considered the restaurant a safe haven

人们认为那间餐厅 是个避风港，

where they could come together,

他们可以在此聚集，

particularly if they were working on civil rights,

特别在筹划某些事宜上， 如公民权利，

human rights,

人权，

working to change the laws.

及修宪事宜。

LC: Well, because once you got inside those doors,

利亚：因为一旦进入我们的餐厅之后，

nobody ever, ever bothered you.

从来不会有人来打扰。

The police would never come in

警察不会进来打扰顾客，

and bother our customers, never.

永远不会。

So they felt safe to come there.

因此人们到这里来，感觉是安全的。

They could eat, they could plan.

他们可以边吃边筹划。

All the Freedom Riders,

对那些公车种族隔离的反对者来说，

that's where they planned all their meetings.

我们的餐厅就是 他们筹划所有会议的地方。

They would come and we would serve them a bowl of gumbo

他们来了，我们会 端上一碗秋葵浓汤，

and fried chicken.

和一些炸鸡。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

So I said, we'd changed the course of America

所以我说，我们已经改变了 美国的发展进程——

over a bowl of gumbo and some fried chicken.

通过一碗秋葵浓汤， 外加一些炸鸡。

(Applause)

（掌声）

I would like to invite the leaders, now,

我想邀请如今的领导人，

just come have a bowl of gumbo and some fried chicken,

来喝一碗浓汤，吃一些炸鸡，

talk it over and we'd go and we'd do what we have to do.

好好讨论一下我们的方向 和必须做的事。

(Applause)

（掌声）

And that's all we did.

这就是我们所做的一切。

PM: Could we send you a list to invite to lunch?

帕特：我们可以给您 一份午餐候选人的名单吗？

(Laughter)

（笑声）

LC: Yeah, invite.

利亚：可以，欢迎。

Because that's what we're not doing.

因为那是我们还没有做的，

We're not talking.

我们到现在还没认真对话过。

Come together.

大家一起来吧，

我不在乎你是不是共和党人， 或是其它政党的人——大家凑在一起。

I don't care if you're a Republican or what you are -- come together.

Talk.

对话。

And I know those old guys.

而且我认识那些老家伙，

I was friends with those old guys,

我和那些老家伙是朋友，

like Tip O'Neill and all of those people.

比如提普‧奥尼尔（民主党人士， 曾任美国众议员议长）之类的人。

They knew how to come together and talk,

他们懂得如何聚在一起对话，

and you would disagree maybe.

你可能会不同意一些事情，

That's OK.

那没关系。

But you would talk, and we would come to a good thing and meet.

若大家愿意，就可以 为达成一件好事而商讨。

And so that's what we did in that restaurant.

这就是我们那间餐厅所能做的。

They would plan the meeting,

他们会计划会议，

Oretha's mother, Oretha Haley's mother.

奥雷莎‧哈利（新奥尔良 美国民权活动家）的母亲

She was big in CORE.

是争取种族平等的重要人物。

Her mother worked for me for 42 years.

她母亲为我工作了 42 年，

And she was like me.

就像我一样，

We didn't understand the program.

并不懂得这个计划，

Nobody our age understood this program,

没有像我们这样年龄的人 能理解这个计划，

and we sure didn't want our children to go to jail.

而且我们当然不想让 自己的孩子进监狱。

Oh, that was ... oh God.

哦上帝。

But these young people were willing to go to jail

但这些年轻人愿意为 他们的信念而坐牢。

for what they believed.

We were working with Thurgood and A.P. Tureaud and all those people

我们曾与瑟古德 （美国首位非裔最高法院大法官）、

图雷德（民权运动期间全国有色人种 协进会（NAACP）新奥尔良分会律师）

with the NAACP.

以及 NAACP 的所有人一起工作。

But that was a slow move.

但那是一个缓慢的行动。

We would still be out here trying to get in the door, waiting for them.

我们只能在外等候， 迫不及待得到他们的进展。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

PM: Is that Thurgood Marshall you're talking about?

帕特：您说的是瑟古德·马歇尔吗？

LC: Thurgood Marshall. But I loved Thurgood.

莉利亚：是瑟古德·马歇尔， 但是我喜欢他，

He was a good movement.

他是优秀的组织者。

They wanted to do this without offending anybody.

他们的运动不想冒犯任何人。

I'll never forget A.P. Tureaud:

我永远不会忘记图雷德说过的话：

"But you can't offend the white people.

“你们不能得罪白人。

Don't offend them."

不要冒犯他们。”

But these young people didn't care.

但年轻人们并不在意这些。

They said, "We're going. Ready or not, we're going to do this."

他们说：“无论如何，我们要行动。”

And so we had to support them.

所以我们不得不支持他们，

These were the children we knew, righteous children.

他们是我们认识的正直孩子，

We had to help them.

我们必须帮助他们。

PM: And they brought the change. LC: And they brought the change.

帕特：他们带来了改变。 利亚：是，带来了改变。

You know, it was hard,

这很难，

但你有时只能迎难而上， 才能做出改变。

but sometimes you do hard things to make changes.

PM: And you've seen so many of those changes.

帕特：您见过这么多历史变迁，

The restaurant has been a bridge.

这间餐厅一直是一座桥梁。

You have been a bridge between the past and now,

您拥有一座桥梁，连接过去和现在，

but you don't live in the past, do you?

但您没有活在过去，对吧？

You live very much in the present.

您一直活在当下。

LC: And that's what you have to tell young people today.

利亚：这就是我今天 必须说给年轻人听的话。

OK, you can protest,

你们可以抗议，

but put the past behind you.

但你们要朝前看。

I can't make you responsible for what your grandfather did.

我不能让你来负责 你祖父所做过的一切。

That's your grandfather.

那是你祖父的事。

I have to build on that.

但我必须在此基础上，

I have to make changes.

做出改变，

I can't stay there and say,

我不能呆在那里说，

"Oh, well, look what they did to us then.

“看看他们过去对我们做了什么，

Look what they do to us now."

现在又为我们做了哪些事。”

No, you remember that,

你要记得，不能这样，

but that makes you keep going on,

而是要继续前进，

but you don't harp on it every day.

不要每天都喋喋不休。

You move,

你要行动，

and you move to make a difference,

你要努力推动变革，

and everybody should be involved.

每个人都应该参与进来。

My children said,

我的孩子们说﹕

"Mother, don't get political," you know.

“妈妈，别搞政治，”

(Laughter)

（笑声）

"Don't get political, because you know we don't like that."

“别搞政治，我们不喜欢这样。”

But you have to be political today.

但你今天必须具有政治觉悟。

You have to be involved.

你必须参与。

Be a part of the system.

成为体系的一部分。

Look how it was when we couldn't be a part of the system.

回首过去，当我们没能成为 体系的一部分时，体系是个什么样？

When Dutch Morial became the mayor,

当 Dutch Morial 成为市长时，

it was a different feeling in the African-American community.

在非裔美国人的社区里， 这是另一种感觉。

We felt a part of things.

我们感觉到了非裔的份量。

Now we've got a mayor.

我们非裔出了一个市长。

We feel like we belong.

我们有了归属感。

Moon tried before Dutch came.

在此之前，穆恩巳经开始努力。

PM: Mayor Landrieu's father, Moon Landrieu.

帕特：穆恩‧兰德里欧 是市长的父亲，

LC: Mayor Landrieu's father, he took great, great risks

利亚：他承担了巨大的风险，

by putting African-Americans in city hall.

把非洲裔美国人放进市政厅里。

He took a whipping for that for a long time,

他在很长一段时间里，成了替罪羊，

but he was a visionary,

但他是个有远见的人，

and he did those things that he knew was going to help the city.

他做了他认为能帮助这个城市的事。

He knew we had to get involved.

他知道我们必须参与进去。

So that's what we have to do.

这就是我们必须要做的。

We don't harp on that.

不能唠唠叨叨，

We just keep moving,

要不断前进。

and Mitch, you know, I tell Moon all the time,

我总是告诉穆恩，

"You did a good thing,"

“你做了一件好事，

but Mitch did one bigger than you and better than you.

但米奇做的比你 做的更伟大，更优秀。”

When he pulled those statues down,

当他把那些雕像拉下来时，

I said, "Boy, you're crazy!"

我说：“小子，你疯了！”

(Applause)

（掌声）

You're crazy.

你疯了！

But it was a good political move.

但这是一个很好的政治举措。

You know, when I saw P.T. Beauregard come down,

当我看到博勒加德将军（美内战期间 联盟国军队上将）的雕像倒下时，

I was sitting looking at the news,

我当时在坐着看新闻，

and it just hit me what this was all about.

这件事触动了我，它的意义非同寻常。

To me, it wasn't about race; it was a political move.

对我来说，这不是种族问题， 而是一个政治举措。

And I got so furious,

我非常气愤，

I got back on that kitchen the next morning,

第二天早上， 我回到自己的厨房，

and I said, come on, pick up your pants, and let's go to work,

我说，来吧， 我们要赶紧工作，

because you're going to get left behind.

否则你们将很快被落在后面。

And that's what you have to do.

这就是你必须要做的，

You have to move on people,

你必须要驱动别人，

move on what they do.

继续他们所做的事。

It was going to bring visibility to the city.

那将会为这座城市 提高知名度。

So you got that visibility -- move on it, uplift yourself,

即便你有了这种知名度—— 还要继续前进，再提升自己，

do what you have to do,

做你该做的事，

and do it well.

还要做好。

And that's all we do.

这就是我们所做的一切，

That's all I try to do.

这就是我努力做的。

PM: But you just gave the formula for resilience. Right?

帕特：但是您刚刚给出了 一个有韧性的准则。对吗？

So you are clearly the best example we could find anywhere of resilience,

您显然是我们能找到的 最有韧性的例子。

so there must be something you think --

所以你一定有什么想法——

LC: I like emotional strength.

利亚：我喜欢情感的感召力。

I like people with emotional and physical strength,

我喜欢有魄力且能鼓舞人心的人，

and maybe that's bad for me.

也许这对我不好。

My favorite all-time general was George Patton.

我最喜欢的将军是乔治·巴顿 （二战时期美国著名陆军军官）。

You know, that wasn't too cool.

你知道，那不是很酷。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

PM: It's surprising.

帕特: 真令人吃惊。

LC: I've got George Patton hanging in my dining room

利亚: 我把乔治·巴顿的肖像 挂在我的饭厅，

because I want to remember.

因为我想记住，

He set goals for himself,

他为自己设定目标，

and he was going to set out to reach those goals.

并努力达到这些目标。

He never stopped.

他从未停止过努力。

And I always remember his words:

我总是记得他的话：

"Lead, follow, or get out of the way."

“领导，跟随，要么离开。”

Now, I can't lead --

现在，我不能领导了——

(Applause)

（掌声）

I can't be a leader,

我不能当领袖，

but I can follow a good leader,

但我可以跟随一个好领袖，

but I am not getting out of the way.

我并没有离开。

(Applause)

（掌声）

But that's just what you have to do.

那正是你必须要做的。

(Applause)

（掌声）

If you can't lead --

如果你不能领导——

leaders need followers,

领袖需要追随者，

so if I help you up there, I'm going to ride on your coattails,

所以如果我帮你， 我就能借你的势，

and I can't count the coattails I've ridden upon.

我数不清自己借过多少人的势了。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

Feed you good. You'll help me out.

给你做好吃的，你就会帮我。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

And that's what life is all about.

这就是我的人生领悟。

Everybody can do something,

每个人都可以做一些事情，

but please get involved.

但请行动起来，

Do something.

做一点事。

The thing we have to do in this city, in all cities --

在这个城市，在所有的城市， 我们必须做的事——

mommas have to start being mommas today.

妈妈们必须今天开始成为妈妈。

You know?

你知道吗？

They have to start understanding --

她们必须开始了解——

when you bring this child in the world,

当你把孩子带到这世上，

you have to make a man out of it,

你必须让男孩成为男子汉，

you have to make a woman out of it,

你必须让女孩成为好女人，

and it takes some doing.

这需要一些努力，

It takes sacrifice.

也需要牺牲。

Maybe you won't have the long fingernails, maybe you won't have the pretty hair.

也许你不会有长长的指甲 和漂亮的头发，

But that child will be on the move,

但那个孩子会不停进步，

and that's what you have to do.

这就是你必须要做的事。

We have to concentrate on educating

我们必须要集中精力于教育，

and making these children understand what it's all about.

让孩子们明白这个世界。

And I hate to tell you, gentlemen,

我不得不这么说，先生们，

it's going to take a good woman to do that.

一个好女人能做到这些，

It's going to take a good woman to do that.

她会做到。

(Applause)

（掌声）

Men can do their part.

男人可以尽自己的本份，

The other part is to just do what you have to do

完成你必须要做的事，

把挣的钱带回家，

and bring it home,

but we can handle the rest,

其余的事情，女人可以处理，

and we will handle the rest.

我们会处理剩下的。

如果你是个好女人，你可以做到。

If you're a good woman, you can do that.

PM: You heard that first here.

帕特：在这里第一次听到，

We can handle the rest.

我们可以处理其余的事情。

LC: We can handle the rest.

利亚: 我们能处理剩下的。

Mrs. Chase, thank you so much --

帕特：蔡斯太太，非常感谢您——

LC: Thank you.

利亚: 谢谢!

PM: for taking time out from the work you do every day in this community.

帕特：感谢您从繁忙的社区工作中 抽出时间莅临。

LC: But you don't know what this does for me.

利亚：但你不知道 这些给我带来了什么，

When I see all of these people, and come together --

当我看到所有这些人 聚在一起——

people come to my kitchen from all over the world.

来自世界各地的人 来到我的厨房。

I had people come from London,

有人从伦敦过来，

now twice this happened to me.

我遇到两次这种情形。

First a man came, and I don't know why he came to this --

第一次来的是个男人，我不知道 他为什么会来到这里——

Every year, the chefs do something called "Chef's Charity."

厨师们每年都会举办一次 “主厨慈善厨艺日”的活动。

Well, it so happened I was the only woman there,

而我是在舞台上做厨艺演示的

and the only African-American there

唯一的女性，

on that stage doing these demonstrations,

也是唯一的非洲裔美国人，

and I would not leave until I saw another woman come up there, too.

直到另一位女士 上来接替我，我才离开。

I'm not going up -- they're going to carry me up there

不是我自己要上去的—— 是他们把我带到那里的，

until you bring another woman up here.

直到另一位女士出现。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

So they have another one now, so I could step down.

由于现在有了另一位女士， 所以我就可以退下来。

But this man was from London.

然而那个从伦敦来的男人，

So after that, I found the man in my kitchen.

后来我在我的厨房里遇到了他。

He came to my kitchen,

他来到我的厨房，

and he said, "I want to ask you one question."

他说：“我想问您一个问题。”

OK, I thought I was going to ask something about food.

我以为他会问关于食物的事情。

"Why do all these white men hang around you?"

但他说：“为什么这些白人围着你转？”

(Laughter)

（笑声）

What?

什么？

(Laughter)

（笑声）

I couldn't understand.

我不明白，

He couldn't understand that.

他不大理解。

I said, "We work together.

我说：“我们在一起工作。”

This is the way we live in this city.

这是我们在这个城市生活的方式。

I may never go to your house, you may never come to my house.

我可能永远不会去你家， 你也可能永远不会到我家来。

But when it comes to working,

但当提到工作时，

like raising money for this special school,

比如为了一所特殊学校筹集经费时，

we come together.

我们就走到一起。

That's what we do.

这就是我们所做的。

And still here comes another, a woman,

一个月前，还有另外一位

elegantly dressed,

穿着高雅的女士

about a month ago in my kitchen.

也来到了我的厨房，

She said, "I don't understand what I see in your dining room."

她说，“我在你的餐厅看到的事 让我很困惑“。

I said, "What do you see?"

我说：“你看到了什么？”

She saw whites and blacks together.

她看到白人和黑人聚在一起。

That's what we do.

这就是我们在做的，

We meet. We talk.

我们会见面和谈话，

And we work together,

我们会一起工作，

and that's what we have to do.

这就是我们必须要做的。

You don't have to be my best friend to work to better your city,

你不必是我最好的朋友， 你只需要努力改善你的城市，

to better your country.

你的国家。

We just have to come together and work, and that's what we do in this city.

这就是我们在这个城市所做的， 大家聚集在一起工作。

We're a weird bunch down here.

我们是一群奇怪的人。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

Nobody understands us,

没有人理解我们，

but we feed you well.

但我们给你做好吃的东西。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

(Applause)

（掌声）

(Cheering)

（欢呼）

Thank you.

谢谢。

(Applause)

（掌声）