An interview with the Queen of Creole Cuisine | Leah Chase and Pat Mitchell

譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Adrienne Lin

Leah Chase: Oh, this is beautiful.

利亞蔡斯：喔，好漂亮。

Oh, gosh, I never saw such a room

喔，天，我從來沒有看過

and beauty and strength like I'm looking at.

像這樣的畫面，美麗又充滿能量。

That's gorgeous. It is.

非常動人，真的。

It is a beautiful room.

這是個很漂亮的場地。

Pat Mitchell: I almost said your age, because you gave me permission,

帕特米謝爾：我差點說出 你的年齡，因為你說可以，

but I realized that I was about to make you a year older.

但我發現我會讓你老一歲。

You're only 94.

其實你只有 94 歲。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

(Applause)

（掌聲）

LC: Yeah, I'm only 94.

利亞：是啊，我只有 94 歲。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

I mean, you get this old and parts start wearing out.

當你到這麼老的時候， 有些部份開始失靈。

Your legs start wearing out.

你的腳開始失靈。

The one thing that my children always say:

但我的孩子們總會說：

"But nothing happened to your mouth."

「但你的嘴巴都好好的。」

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So you've got to have something going, so I've got my mouth going.

總得讓什麼能繼續用下去， 所以我讓我的嘴巴繼續用下去。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

PM: So Mrs. Chase, the first time we were there,

帕特：蔡斯女士， 我們第一次去那裡時，

I brought a group of young women, who work with us at TED,

我帶了在 TED 工作的一群年輕女子

into the kitchen,

到廚房裡去，

and we were all standing around and you had already cooked lunch

我們都站在周圍，你已經在做午餐，

for hundreds of people, as you do every day,

為數百人做，那是你的日常，

and you looked up at them.

而你看著她們。

You have to share with this audience what you said to those young women.

你一定要告訴這裡的觀眾 你當時對那些年輕女子說了什麼。

LC: Well, you know, I talk to young women all the time,

利亞：你知道的， 我常和年輕女子說話，

and it's beginning to bother me,

那開始讓我不舒服，

because look how far I came.

因為看看我走了多遠的路。

I'd come with women that had to really hustle and work hard,

我曾經遇過真的需要 拼命努力工作的女人，

and they knew how to be women.

她們知道如何做女人。

They didn't play that man down.

她們不會貶低男人。

And, well, we didn't have the education you have today,

我們當時沒有像你們現在受的教育，

and God, I'm so proud

天，我好驕傲，

when I see those women with all that education under their belt.

我看到那些女人受到過那麼多教育。

那就是為什麼我很努力，

That's why I worked hard,

tried to get everybody to use those resources.

試著讓每個人都去用那些資源。

So they just don't know their power,

她們只是不知道她們的力量，

and I always tell them, just look at my mother,

我總是告訴她們，看看我母親，

had 12 girls before she had a boy.

生了 12 個女生之後 才生出 1 個男生。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So you know how I came out.

所以你們知道我怎麼出來的。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Now, she had 14 children.

她有 14 個孩子。

She raised 11 of us out of that 14,

14 個當中她養育了 11 個，

and up until last year, we were all still living,

直到去年，我們都還活著，

a bunch of old biddies, but we're still here.

一群老婆娘，但我們都還在。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

And sometimes we can be just cantankerous and blah blah blah blah blah,

有時我們就愛唱反調，等等等等，

but we still go.

但我們仍然繼續。

And I love to see women.

我喜歡看女人。

You don't know what it does for me

你們不知道看到女性

to see women in the position that you're in today.

有現在的地位對我有什麼影響。

I never thought I'd see that.

我從來沒有想到我能看到這些。

I never thought I'd see women

我從來沒有想到我能看到女性

be able to take places and positions that we have today.

能做到我們現今這樣的位置。

It is just a powerful thing.

那是非常強大的事。

I had a young woman come to me.

曾有一位年輕女子來找我。

She was an African-American woman.

她是非裔美國女性。

And I said, "Well, what do you do, honey?"

我說：「你做什麼工作，親愛的？」

She said, "I am a retired Navy pilot."

她說：「我是退休的海軍飛行員。」

Oh God, that just melted me,

喔，天啊，我都融化了，

because I knew how hard it was to integrate that Navy.

因為我知道要讓海軍 對黑人平等有多難。

You know, the Navy was the last thing to really be integrated,

海軍是最後才對黑人平權的，

and that was done by Franklin Roosevelt

那是富蘭克林羅斯福的貢獻，

as a favor to an African-American man,

他是為了一位非裔美國男子做的，

Lester Granger, that I knew very well.

萊斯特格蘭傑，我非常清楚這事。

He was the head of the National Urban League back there,

他當時是那裡的 全國都市同盟的領導人，

and when Roosevelt asked him,

當羅斯福問他，

he wanted to appoint Lester as maybe one of his cabinet members.

他想要任命萊斯特 也許當他的內閣成員之一。

Lester said, "No, I don't want that.

萊斯特說：「不，那不是我想要的。

All I want you to do is integrate that Navy."

我想要你做的， 只有讓海軍對黑人平等。」

And that was what Franklin did.

所以富蘭克林就那麼做了。

Well, Franklin didn't live to do it,

嗯，富蘭克林沒有活到見證這件事完成，

but Truman did it.

但杜魯門完成了。

But when this woman told me,

當這位女子告訴我：

"I have flown everything there is to fly,"

「能飛的東西我都飛過了。」

bombers, just all kinds of planes,

轟炸機、各種飛機，

it just melted me, you know,

那讓我融化了，你知道的，

just to see how far women have come.

看到女人能走到今天這地步。

And I told her, I said,

我告訴她，我說：

"Well, you could get into the space program."

「你可以去參加那些太空計畫。」

She said, "But Ms. Chase, I'm too old."

她說：「但，蔡斯女士，我太老了。」

She was already 60-some years old,

她已經 60 多歲，

and, you know, you're over the hill then.

你知道，那時已經開始走下坡了。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

They don't want you flying up in the sky at 60-something years old.

他們不希望你 60 多歲還在天上飛。

Stay on the ground.

待在地上。

When I meet women,

當我和女人見面，

and today everybody comes to my kitchen,

今天每個人都來到我的廚房，

and you know that,

你知道的，

and it upsets Stella, my daughter.

那讓我的女兒史黛拉很心煩。

She doesn't like people coming in the kitchen.

她不喜歡別人到廚房來。

But that's where I am,

但我就在廚房中，

and that's where you're going to see me, in the kitchen.

而你會和我見面在廚房裡見面。

So when they come there, I meet all kinds of people.

所以當她們到那裡時， 我見到各式各樣的人。

And that is the thing that really uplifts me,

有件會讓我很振奮的事，

is when I meet women on the move.

那就是見到在進步的女性。

When I meet women on the move, it is good for me.

見到在進步的女性，對我是好事。

Now, I'm not one of these flag-waving women.

我不是那種搖旗吶喊的女性。

You're not going to see me out there waving.

你不會在外面看到我在搖旗。

No, I don't do that.

不，我不做那種事。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

No, I don't do that, and I don't want any of you to do that.

不，我不做那種事， 且我不希望你們任何人做。

Just be good women.

做個好女性就好。

And you know, my mother taught us ...

我媽媽教我們…

she was tough on us,

她對我們很嚴，

and she said, "You know, Leah,"

她說：「你知道的，利亞，」

she gave us all this plaque,

她對我們都這樣說：

"to be a good woman, you have to first look like a girl."

「若要成為一個好女性， 你首先得要看起來像個女孩。」

Well, I thought I looked like a girl.

嗯，我認為我看起來像個女孩。

"Act like a lady."

「行為要像淑女。」

That, I never learned to do.

我從來沒有學會這一點。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

"Think like a man."

「思考則要像男人。」

Now don't act like that man; think like a man.

不要行為像男人，思考像男人。

And "work like a dog."

然後「工作得像狗一樣。」

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So we learned that the hard way.

所以，我們費了一番苦功才學會。

And they taught you that.

他們會教你那樣。

They taught you what women had to do.

他們教你女性必須要做什麼。

We were taught that women controlled the behavior of men.

我們被教導的是， 女性控制男性的行為。

How you act, they will act.

你做什麼，他們就會做什麼。

So you've got to do that, and I tell you all the time.

所以你得那樣做， 我總是這樣告訴你。

You know, don't play this man down.

不要貶低這個男人。

It upsets me when you may have a husband

讓我很苦惱的是，你的丈夫

that maybe he doesn't have as much education under his belt as you have,

可能教育程度沒有你好，

but still you can't play him down.

但你仍然不能貶低他。

You've got to keep lifting him up,

你得要繼續把他捧起來，

because you don't want to live with a mouse.

因為你不想和老鼠同住。

So you want that man to be a man, and do what he has to do.

所以你會希望那個男人 能成為男人，做他該做的。

And anyway, always remember,

總之，不要忘記，

he runs on cheap gas.

他是靠廉價汽油來運作的。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So fill him up with cheap gas --

所以，把他加滿廉價汽油－

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

and then, you got him.

然後，你就搞定他了。

It's just so --

這實在是…

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

It's just --

就是…

PM: You have to give us a minute to take that in.

帕特：你得給我們一分鐘消化一下。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

LC: When I heard this young lady speak before I came out --

利亞：在我出來之前 我聽到這個年輕女子在演說－

she was so beautiful,

她好漂亮，

and I wished I could be like that,

我希望我能像她一樣，

and my husband, poor darling --

我的丈夫，可憐的寶貝－

I lost him after we were married 70 years --

我們結婚 70 年之後我失去了他－

didn't agree on one thing,

我們從來沒有共識，

never did, nothing,

從來沒有，一件共識都沒有，

but we got along together

但我們能相處得來，

because he learned to understand me,

因為他學會了解我，

and that was just hard,

那是很困難的，

because he was so different.

因為他很與眾不同。

And that lady reminded me.

那位女子勾起我的記憶。

I said, "If I would have just been like her,

我說：「如果我能夠像她一樣，

Dooky would have really loved it."

杜克一定會很喜歡的。」

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

But I wasn't.

但我不像她。

I was always pushy, always moving,

我總堅持己見、總停不下來、

always doing this,

總是這樣做，

and he used to come to me all the time, and he said,

他以前常常會來找我，說：

"Honey, God's going to punish you."

「親愛的，神一定會懲罰你。」

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

"You -- you're just not grateful."

「你…你實在不知感恩。」

But it isn't that I'm not grateful,

但並不是我不知感恩，

but I think, as long as you're living, you've got to keep moving,

但我認為，只要你還活著， 你就該繼續走下去，

you've got to keep trying to get up

你得要不斷試著爬起來，

and do what you've got to do.

然後做你該做的事。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

You cannot sit down.

你不能坐下來。

You have to keep going,

你得繼續前進，

keep trying to do a little bit every day.

試著每天做一點點。

Every day, you do a little bit,

每天，你都做一點點，

try to make it better.

試著做更好一點。

And that's been my whole life.

我一生都是如此。

Well, I came up in the country, small town,

我在郊區長大，小鎮上，

had to do everything, had to haul the water,

什麼都得做，得要去運水、

had to wash the clothes, do this, do that,

得要洗衣服、得要做這個做那個、

pick the dumb strawberries, all that kind of stuff.

摘愚蠢的草莓之類的。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

But still, my daddy insisted that we act nice,

但，我爸爸仍然堅持 我們要有好的行為，

we be kind.

我們要寬厚。

And that's all.

就這樣。

When I heard this young woman --

當我聽到這位年輕女子－

oh, she sounds so beautiful --

喔，她聽起來好美－

I said, "I wish I could be like that."

我說：「我希望我也能像那樣。」

PM: Mrs. Chase, we don't want you to be any different than you are.

帕特：蔡斯女士， 我們不希望你變成其他的樣子。

There is no question about that.

這點毫無疑問。

Let me ask you.

讓我請教你。

This is why it's so wonderful to have a conversation

這就是為什麼和有這麼長遠觀察的人

with someone who has such a long view --

對談是如此美好的事－

LC: A long time.

利亞：很長的時間。

PM: to remembering Roosevelt

帕特：記得羅斯福、

and the person he did that favor for.

以及他為了誰做那件事。

What is in your head and your mind

你的腦袋裡在想什麼，

and what you have seen and witnessed ...

你所見到的、目擊的…

One of the things that it's good to remember, always,

有件事，每次想起來都很棒，

is that when you opened that restaurant,

就是當你開那間餐廳時，

whites and blacks could not eat together in this city.

在這個城市裡， 白人和黑人不能一同用餐。

It was against the law.

當時是違法的。

And yet they did, at Dooky Chase. Tell me about that.

但他們在杜克蔡斯餐廳還是 一起吃。和我談談這件事。

LC: They did, there.

利亞：在那裡，他們一起吃。

Well, my mother-in-law first started this,

我的岳母是先發難的，

and the reason she started is,

她發難的原因是，

because her husband was sickly, and he would go out --

因為她的丈夫很多病，而他會出門－

and people from Chicago and all the places,

來自芝加哥和各地的人，

you would call his job a numbers runner.

你會說他的工作是兜攬彩票賭博。

But in New Orleans, we are very sophisticated --

但在紐奧良，我們非常世故－

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

so it wasn't a numbers runner,

所以不是兜攬彩票賭博，

it was a lottery vendor.

是彩券小販。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So you see, we put class to that.

我們把它弄得更有格調．

But that's how he did it.

但他就是那樣做的。

And he couldn't go from house to house to get his clients and all that,

他無法一家一家去找客戶，

because he was sick,

因為他病了，

so she opened up this little sandwich shop,

所以她開了一間小的三明治餐廳，

so she was going to take down the numbers,

她會去記下數字，

because he was sick a lot.

因為他常常生病。

He had ulcers. He was really bad for a long a time.

他有潰瘍。他狀況長期都不好。

So she did that --

所以她那樣做了，

and not knowing anything,

她什麼都不知道，

but she knew she could make a sandwich.

但她知道她可以做三明治。

She knew she could cook,

她知道她能煮菜，

and she borrowed 600 dollars from a brewery.

她向一間啤酒廠借了六百元。

Can you imagine starting a business today with 600 dollars

你能想像現今用六百元創業，

and no knowledge of what you're doing?

且還不知道自己在幹嘛嗎？

And it always just amazed me what she could do.

她所做的，一直讓我覺得很了不起。

She was a good money manager.

她是個很好的金錢管理者。

That, I am not.

我完全不是。

My husband used to call me a bankrupt sister.

我丈夫以前會叫我破產姐。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

"She'll spend everything you got."

「她花掉了你所有的錢。」

And I would, you know.

我會的，你知道。

PM: But you kept the restaurant open, though,

帕特：但你仍然讓餐廳繼續營業，

even in those times of controversy, when people were protesting

甚至在那個很爭議的時代， 人們都在抗議，

and almost boycotting.

幾乎是聯合抵制。

I mean, it was a controversial move that you and your husband made.

我是指，你和你的丈夫 所下的那步棋是很爭議的。

LC: It was, and I don't know how we did it,

利亞：的確，我不知道 我們如何辦到的，

but as I said, my mother-in-law was a kind, kind person,

但如我剛說的， 我的岳母是個很仁慈的人，

and you didn't have any African-Americans on the police force at that time.

且在那個時候，警方中 沒有任何非裔美國人。

They were all white.

他們都是白人。

But they would come around,

但他們會來，

and she would say,

她會說：

"Bebe, I'm gonna fix you a little sandwich."

「寶貝，我要為你做個三明治。」

So she would fix them a sandwich.

所以，她會為他們做個三明治。

Today they would call that bribery.

在現代，那叫做賄賂。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

But she was just that kind of person.

但她就是那種人。

She liked to do things for you.

她喜歡為你做些事。

She liked to give.

她喜歡付出。

So she would do that,

所以她會那樣做，

and maybe that helped us out,

也許我們因此受惠，

because nobody ever bothered us.

因為從來沒人來騷擾我們。

We had Jim Dombrowski, Albert Ben Smith,

我們有吉姆東布羅夫斯基、 亞伯班史密斯，

who started all kinds of things right in that restaurant,

他們在那間餐廳中開始各種事物，

and nobody ever bothered us.

從來沒人來騷擾我們。

So we just did it.

所以我們就是做到了。

PM: Excuse me.

帕特：對不起。

You talked to me that day

那天你告訴我，

about the fact that people considered the restaurant a safe haven

人們認為那間餐廳是個安全的避風港，

where they could come together,

他們可以聚在那裡，

particularly if they were working on civil rights,

特別是致力於民權、

human rights,

人權、

working to change the laws.

致力改變法律的人。

LC: Well, because once you got inside those doors,

利亞：因為一旦你進了那些門，

nobody ever, ever bothered you.

沒有人會來騷擾你。

The police would never come in

警察不會進來，

and bother our customers, never.

不會來打擾我們的客人，從來不會。

So they felt safe to come there.

所以他們覺得到那裡很安全。

They could eat, they could plan.

他們能吃東西、他們能做規劃。

All the Freedom Riders,

所有的自由行示威者，

that's where they planned all their meetings.

他們都在那裡規劃他們的會面。

They would come and we would serve them a bowl of gumbo

他們會來，而我們會端上一碗秋葵

and fried chicken.

和炸雞。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So I said, we'd changed the course of America

所以我說，我們透過一碗秋葵

over a bowl of gumbo and some fried chicken.

和一些炸雞，改變了美國的前程。

(Applause)

（笑聲）

I would like to invite the leaders, now,

我現在想要邀請領導者們，

just come have a bowl of gumbo and some fried chicken,

來吃一碗秋葵和一些炸雞，

talk it over and we'd go and we'd do what we have to do.

商量一下，然後就去做該做的事。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

And that's all we did.

我們做的就只有這樣。

PM: Could we send you a list to invite to lunch?

帕特：我們能寄一份 午餐邀請名單給你嗎？

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

LC: Yeah, invite.

利亞：好啊，邀請。

Because that's what we're not doing.

因為那是我們現在沒有做的事。

We're not talking.

我們沒有交談。

Come together.

聚在一起。

I don't care if you're a Republican or what you are -- come together.

我不在乎你是共和黨或什麼， 來聚在一起。

Talk.

來交談一下。

And I know those old guys.

我認識那些老傢伙，

I was friends with those old guys,

我是那些老傢伙的朋友，

like Tip O'Neill and all of those people.

像提普奧尼爾和所有那些人。

They knew how to come together and talk,

他們知道如何聚在一起好好交談，

and you would disagree maybe.

也許你會有不認同的地方。

That's OK.

那沒關係。

But you would talk, and we would come to a good thing and meet.

但你會交談，我們就能 產生好的結果、達成共識。

And so that's what we did in that restaurant.

那就是我們在餐廳中所做的。

They would plan the meeting,

他們會規劃會面。

Oretha's mother, Oretha Haley's mother.

奧雷的母親，奧雷哈利的母親。

She was big in CORE.

她在 CORE 是個大人物。

Her mother worked for me for 42 years.

她母親為我工作了 42 年。

And she was like me.

她很像我。

We didn't understand the program.

我們不了解那個計畫。

Nobody our age understood this program,

沒有人到我們這把年紀 還能了解那個計畫，

and we sure didn't want our children to go to jail.

我們肯定不希望我們的孩子坐牢。

Oh, that was ... oh God.

喔，那是…喔，天。

But these young people were willing to go to jail

但這些年輕人願意為了

for what they believed.

他們的信仰而坐牢。

We were working with Thurgood and A.P. Tureaud and all those people

我們和瑟古德、A.P. 特勞德這些人，

與美國全國有色人種協進會合作。

with the NAACP.

But that was a slow move.

但那進行得很緩慢。

We would still be out here trying to get in the door, waiting for them.

我們還在外面等著進門，等他們。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

PM: Is that Thurgood Marshall you're talking about?

帕特：你剛說的是瑟古德馬歇爾嗎？

LC: Thurgood Marshall. But I loved Thurgood.

利亞：瑟古德馬歇爾。 但我愛瑟古德。

He was a good movement.

他是個好運動。

They wanted to do this without offending anybody.

他們希望這麼做不會冒犯到任何人。

I'll never forget A.P. Tureaud:

我永遠忘不了 A.P. 特勞德說：

"But you can't offend the white people.

「但你不能冒犯白人。

Don't offend them."

不要冒犯他們。」

But these young people didn't care.

但這些年輕人不在乎。

They said, "We're going. Ready or not, we're going to do this."

他們說：「我們要去。 不論準備好了沒，我們要去做。」

And so we had to support them.

所以我們得要支持他們。

These were the children we knew, righteous children.

我們認識這些孩子， 都是正直的孩子。

We had to help them.

我們得要幫他們。

PM: And they brought the change. LC: And they brought the change.

帕特：而他們帶來了改變。 利亞：而他們帶來了改變。

You know, it was hard,

我知道，那很困難，

but sometimes you do hard things to make changes.

但有時要做困難的事才能造成改變。

PM: And you've seen so many of those changes.

帕特：你看過了這麼多的改變。

The restaurant has been a bridge.

那間餐廳一直是座橋樑。

You have been a bridge between the past and now,

你一直是過去與現在間的橋樑，

but you don't live in the past, do you?

但你並沒有活在過去，對吧？

You live very much in the present.

你完全活在當下。

LC: And that's what you have to tell young people today.

利亞：那就是現今 你得要告訴年輕人的。

OK, you can protest,

好，你們可以抗議，

but put the past behind you.

但過去的就過去了。

I can't make you responsible for what your grandfather did.

我不能要你為你祖父做的事情負責。

That's your grandfather.

那是你的祖父。

I have to build on that.

我得要用那當作基礎。

I have to make changes.

我得要做出改變。

I can't stay there and say,

我不能留在那裡並說：

"Oh, well, look what they did to us then.

「喔，看看他們當時對我們做的。

Look what they do to us now."

看看他們現在對我們做的。」

No, you remember that,

不行，你記得那事，

but that makes you keep going on,

但那事會讓你繼續走下去，

but you don't harp on it every day.

你不能每天反覆訴說那事。

You move,

你要前進，

and you move to make a difference,

你要前進才能造成不同，

and everybody should be involved.

而每個人都該涉入。

My children said,

我的孩子說：

"Mother, don't get political," you know.

「媽，別政治化了。」

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

"Don't get political, because you know we don't like that."

「別政治化了，因為你知道 我們不喜歡那樣。」

But you have to be political today.

但現今你得要政治化。

You have to be involved.

你得要涉入，

Be a part of the system.

成為體制的一部份。

Look how it was when we couldn't be a part of the system.

看看當我們不能成為體制 一部份的時候是什麼情況。

When Dutch Morial became the mayor,

當莫瑞亞爾成為市長，

it was a different feeling in the African-American community.

在非裔美國社區內有著不同的感受。

We felt a part of things.

我們覺得自己是什麼的一部份。

Now we've got a mayor.

現在我們有了個市長。

We feel like we belong.

我們覺得有所歸屬。

Moon tried before Dutch came.

在莫瑞亞爾來之前，莫恩嘗試過。

帕特：蘭德里厄市長的父親， 莫恩蘭德里厄。

PM: Mayor Landrieu's father, Moon Landrieu.

LC: Mayor Landrieu's father, he took great, great risks

利亞：蘭德里厄市長的父親， 他冒了很大的風險，

by putting African-Americans in city hall.

他讓非裔美國人進入市政大廳。

He took a whipping for that for a long time,

他很長一段時間都因此被責難，

but he was a visionary,

但他是個有遠見的人，

and he did those things that he knew was going to help the city.

他知道他做那些事情 能夠幫助這個城市。

He knew we had to get involved.

他知道我們得要涉入。

So that's what we have to do.

那就是我們得做的。

We don't harp on that.

我們不要反覆一直說。

We just keep moving,

我們繼續前進就對了，

and Mitch, you know, I tell Moon all the time,

而米奇，你知道，我總是告訴莫恩，

"You did a good thing,"

「你做了一件好事」，

but Mitch did one bigger than you and better than you.

但米奇做了一件 比你更大、更好的事。

When he pulled those statues down,

當他拆毀那些雕像，

I said, "Boy, you're crazy!"

我說：「天，你瘋了！」

(Applause)

（掌聲）

You're crazy.

你瘋了。

But it was a good political move.

但在政治上那是個很好的一步棋。

You know, when I saw P.T. Beauregard come down,

你知道，當我看到 P.T. 博雷加德倒下，

I was sitting looking at the news,

我正坐著看新聞，

and it just hit me what this was all about.

它所代表的意義給了我很大的衝擊。

To me, it wasn't about race; it was a political move.

對我來說，重點不是種族； 那是政治的一步棋。

And I got so furious,

而我好生氣，

I got back on that kitchen the next morning,

隔天早上我回到廚房，

and I said, come on, pick up your pants, and let's go to work,

我說，來吧，準備好起來幹活了，

because you're going to get left behind.

因為你將會被丟下。

And that's what you have to do.

那就是你得做的。

You have to move on people,

你得要讓人們動起來，

move on what they do.

讓他們做事的速度快一點。

It was going to bring visibility to the city.

那樣會讓城市能夠看到。

So you got that visibility -- move on it, uplift yourself,

當你有能見度時－ 做些相應的行動，鼓舞你自己，

do what you have to do,

做你該做的，

and do it well.

且把它做好。

我們做的就只有這樣。

And that's all we do.

That's all I try to do.

我試著做的就只有這樣。

PM: But you just gave the formula for resilience. Right?

帕特：但你給出了 韌性的配方，對吧？

So you are clearly the best example we could find anywhere of resilience,

很顯然你是我們所能找到 最好的韌性例子，

so there must be something you think --

所以一定有什麼在你腦中...

LC: I like emotional strength.

利亞：我喜歡情緒力量。

I like people with emotional and physical strength,

我喜歡有情緒力量和身體力量的人，

and maybe that's bad for me.

也許那對我不好。

My favorite all-time general was George Patton.

我最喜歡的將軍是喬治巴頓。

You know, that wasn't too cool.

你知道，那樣不是很酷。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

PM: It's surprising.

帕特：很讓人訝異。

LC: I've got George Patton hanging in my dining room

利亞：我的餐廳就掛著喬治巴頓，

because I want to remember.

因為我想要記得。

He set goals for himself,

他為自己設立了目標，

and he was going to set out to reach those goals.

且他打算要行動來達到那些目標。

He never stopped.

他從來沒有停下來。

And I always remember his words:

我永遠記得他的話：

"Lead, follow, or get out of the way."

「領導、追隨、 不然就閃邊別擋路。」

Now, I can't lead --

我無法領導。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

I can't be a leader,

我不能當個好領導人，

but I can follow a good leader,

但我能追隨一個好的領導人，

but I am not getting out of the way.

但我不會閃邊。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

But that's just what you have to do.

但那就是你得做的。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

If you can't lead --

如果你無法領導－

leaders need followers,

領導人需要追隨者，

so if I help you up there, I'm going to ride on your coattails,

如果我協助你爬上去， 我就要騎在你的衣後擺上（沾光），

and I can't count the coattails I've ridden upon.

而我數不清我騎過的衣後擺了。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Feed you good. You'll help me out.

餵你好料，你就會幫助我。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

And that's what life is all about.

人生就是這樣。

Everybody can do something,

每個人都能做點什麼，

but please get involved.

但請一定要涉入。

Do something.

做點什麼。

The thing we have to do in this city, in all cities --

在這個城市我們得做的， 在所有城市－

mommas have to start being mommas today.

現在媽媽得要開始做好母職。

You know?

你知道嗎？

They have to start understanding --

她們得要開始了解，

when you bring this child in the world,

當你把孩子帶到世界上，

you have to make a man out of it,

你就得讓他成為一個男人，

you have to make a woman out of it,

你就得讓她成為一個女人，

and it takes some doing.

那需要努力。

It takes sacrifice.

那需要犧牲。

Maybe you won't have the long fingernails, maybe you won't have the pretty hair.

也許你將不會有長指甲， 也許你將不會有漂亮的頭髮。

But that child will be on the move,

但那孩子將會有進展，

and that's what you have to do.

那就是你得要做的。

We have to concentrate on educating

你得要專注在教育上，

and making these children understand what it's all about.

讓這些孩子了解這一切的意義。

And I hate to tell you, gentlemen,

我很不想告訴各位男士，

it's going to take a good woman to do that.

需要一位好女人才做得到那樣。

It's going to take a good woman to do that.

需要一位好女人才做得到那樣。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Men can do their part.

男人能扮演他們的角色。

The other part is to just do what you have to do

就是做你該做的事，

and bring it home,

並把它做好，

but we can handle the rest,

我們能處理剩下的，

and we will handle the rest.

我們會處理剩下的。

If you're a good woman, you can do that.

如果你是個好女人，你就能做到。

PM: You heard that first here.

帕特：你們在這裡最先聽到這句話。

We can handle the rest.

我們能處理剩下的。

LC: We can handle the rest.

利亞：我們能處理剩下的。

Mrs. Chase, thank you so much --

蔡斯女士，非常謝謝你。

LC: Thank you.

利亞：謝謝你。

PM: for taking time out from the work you do every day in this community.

帕特：謝謝你從在這個社區內 每天的工作中抽時間出來。

LC: But you don't know what this does for me.

利亞：你不知道這對我有什麼影響。

When I see all of these people, and come together --

當我看到所有這些人結合在一起－

people come to my kitchen from all over the world.

世界各地的人來到我的廚房。

I had people come from London,

我遇過來自倫敦的人，

now twice this happened to me.

而且遇過兩次。

First a man came, and I don't know why he came to this --

首先，一個男人來， 我不知道為什麼他來這...

Every year, the chefs do something called "Chef's Charity."

每年，主廚會做 所謂的「主廚慈善」。

Well, it so happened I was the only woman there,

剛好我是那裡唯一的女性，

and the only African-American there

也是唯一的非裔美國人

on that stage doing these demonstrations,

在台上做示範，

and I would not leave until I saw another woman come up there, too.

我不會離開，除非我看到 另一個女人也上來。

I'm not going up -- they're going to carry me up there

我沒有要上去－ 他們得把我帶上去那裡，

until you bring another woman up here.

直到你帶另一個女人上去那裡。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

So they have another one now, so I could step down.

所以他們現在有另一個女人， 我就能退下了。

But this man was from London.

但來自倫敦的這個男人...

So after that, I found the man in my kitchen.

那之後，我在我的廚房遇到那個人。

He came to my kitchen,

他來到我的廚房，

and he said, "I want to ask you one question."

他說：「我想要問你一個問題。」

OK, I thought I was going to ask something about food.

好，我心想應該是 和食物有關的問題。

"Why do all these white men hang around you?"

「為什麼這些白種男人 都跟你混在一起？」

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

What?

什麼？

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

I couldn't understand.

我無法理解。

He couldn't understand that.

他無法了解那狀況。

I said, "We work together.

我說：「我們一起工作。

This is the way we live in this city.

我們在這個城市裡就是這樣生活的。

I may never go to your house, you may never come to my house.

我可能永遠不會去你家， 你永遠不會來我家。

But when it comes to working,

但到了工作時，

like raising money for this special school,

比如為特殊學校募款，

we come together.

我們就會攜手合作。

That's what we do.

我們就是這樣做的。

And still here comes another, a woman,

然後又有一個女人來，

elegantly dressed,

穿得很高雅，

about a month ago in my kitchen.

大約一個月前，來我的廚房。

She said, "I don't understand what I see in your dining room."

她說：「我不了解我在 你的餐廳中所看見的景象。」

I said, "What do you see?"

我說：「你看見什麼？」

She saw whites and blacks together.

她看到白人和黑人在一起。

That's what we do.

我們就是這樣做的。

We meet. We talk.

我們見面，我們交談。

And we work together,

我們一起工作，

and that's what we have to do.

那就是我們得要做的。

You don't have to be my best friend to work to better your city,

你不需要成為我最好的朋友， 也能改善你的城市、

to better your country.

改善你的國家。

We just have to come together and work, and that's what we do in this city.

我們只需要結合在一起努力， 那就是我們在這個城市中所做的。

We're a weird bunch down here.

我們是很怪異的一群人。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Nobody understands us,

沒有人了解我們，

but we feed you well.

但我們把你們餵養得很好。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

(Applause)

（掌聲）

(Cheering)

（歡呼）

Thank you.

謝謝。

(Applause)

（掌聲）