Hamilton vs. Madison and the birth of American partisanship | Noah Feldman
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If you've been thinking about US politics
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在过去一年左右,
如果你一直在思考美国的政治
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and trying to make sense of it
for the last year or so,
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并试图理解它,
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you might have hit on something
like the following three propositions:
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你可能会碰到以下三个命题:
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one, US partisanship
has never been so bad before;
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一,美国的党派关系
从未如此糟糕;
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two,
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二,
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for the first time,
it's geographically spatialized --
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首次,
这种关系是地理空间化的
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we're divided between the coasts,
which want to look outwards,
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我们分裂为两部分,
一边是想要向外看的海岸地区,
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and the center of the country,
which wants to look inwards;
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另一边是想要向内看的内陆;
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and third,
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第三,
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there's nothing we can do about it.
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我们对此无能为力。
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I'm here to today to say
that all three of these propositions,
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我今天来这里说
所有这三个命题,
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all of which sound reasonable,
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所有这些听起来虽然很合理,
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are not true.
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它们是错误的。
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In fact,
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事实上,
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our US partisanship goes all the way back
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我们美国的党派关系可追溯到
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to the very beginning of the republic.
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到共和国的开始。
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It was geographically spatialized
in almost eerily the same way
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在地理上的空间化
几乎和今天是同样的,
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that it is today,
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and it often has been
throughout US history.
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这种情况贯穿了美国历史。
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And last,
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最后,
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and by far most importantly,
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最重要的是,
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we actually have
an extraordinary mechanism
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我们实际上有一个非凡的机制
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that's designed to help us manage
factional disagreement and partisanship.
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旨在帮助我们管理
党派分歧和党派关系。
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That technology is the Constitution.
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这种技术是宪法。
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And this is an evolving, subtly,
supplely designed entity
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这是一个不断变化的,微妙的,
设计精良的实体
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that has the specific purpose
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它的具体目的
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of teaching us how to manage
factional disagreement
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就是去教我们如何尽可能管理好
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where it's possible to do that,
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派别分歧,
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and giving us techniques
for overcoming that disagreement
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并给我们技巧方法去
尽可能克服
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when that's possible.
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这种分歧。
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Now, in order to tell you the story,
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为了告诉你们这个故事,
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I want to go back
to a pivotal moment in US history,
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我想回到美国历史中的关键时刻,
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and that is the moment
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那就是
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when factional disagreement
and partisanship was born.
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派别的分歧和多党派诞生的时候。
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There actually was a birth moment --
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在一个诞生的时刻,
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a moment in US history
when partisanship snapped into place.
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美国的党派关系腾空出现。
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The person who's at the core
of that story is James Madison.
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故事核心人物
是詹姆斯·麦迪逊。
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And at the moment that this began,
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那时,
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James Madison was riding high.
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詹姆斯·麦迪逊正享受成功。
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He himself was the Einstein
of not only the US Constitution,
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他不仅仅是美国宪法的创建者,
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but of constitutional thought
more globally,
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更是全球宪法思想之父,
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and, to give him his due,
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公正地来说
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he knew it.
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他知道。
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In a period of time of just three years,
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在短短三年的时间里,
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from 1785 to 1788,
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从1785年到1788年,
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he had conceived, theorized,
designed, passed and gotten ratified
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他设想,理论化,
设计,通过并得到批准
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the US Constitution.
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美国宪法。
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And just to give you
some sense of the enormity
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让你们认识一下
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of what that accomplishment actually was,
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这个成就的巨大规模,
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although Madison
couldn't have known it at the time,
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虽然麦迪逊当时不知道,
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today that same constitutional technology
that he invented is still in use
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如今,他设计的宪法技术仍被使用,
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not only in the US,
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不仅在美国,
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but, 230 years later,
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230年后,
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in places like Canada,
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在加拿大,
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India,
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印度,
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South Africa,
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南非,
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Brazil.
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巴西。
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So in an extraordinary range
of contexts all over the world,
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所以在世界各地,这个非凡的范围中
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this technology is still the dominant,
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这项技术依然占主导地位,
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most used, most effective technology
to manage governance.
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是最常用,最有效的政府管理技术。
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In that moment,
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在那一刻,
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Madison believed that,
having solved this problem,
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麦迪逊认为,
宪法问题解决了后,
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the country would run smoothly,
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国家会运行顺利,
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and that he had designed a technology
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他设计的宪法技术
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that would minimize
the results of factions
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将使派系斗争的结果最小化,
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so there would be no political parties.
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所以不会产生多政党。
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Remarkably, he thought
he had designed a constitution
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值得注意的是,他觉得
他设计的宪法
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that was against political parties
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是反对政党化的,
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and would make them unnecessary.
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会让多党派变得没有必要。
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He had gotten an enormous degree of help
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他得到了很大的帮助
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in the final marketing phase
of his constitutional project
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在他的宪法项目的最后营销阶段
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from a man you may have heard of,
called Alexander Hamilton.
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从一个你可能听说过的男人,
叫亚历山大·汉密尔顿。
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Now, Hamilton was everything
Madison was not.
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汉密尔顿和麦迪逊
是相反两极。
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He was passionate,
where Madison was restrained.
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汉密尔顿充满激情,
麦迪逊却更加保守。
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He was pansexual,
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汉密尔顿是泛性恋,
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where Madison didn't speak
to a woman except for once
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而麦迪逊在42岁之前
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until he was 42 years old,
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只和一个女人说过话,
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and then married Dolley
and lived happily ever after for 40 years.
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之后,他与多丽结婚
40多年来一直幸福生活。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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To put it bluntly,
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直言不讳,
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Hamilton's the kind of person
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汉密尔顿是那种人
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about whom you would write
a hip-hop musical --
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你会为他创作一部嘻哈音乐剧,
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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and Madison is the kind of person
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而麦迪逊
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about whom you would not write
a hip-hop musical.
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身上毫无“嘻哈“元素,
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Or indeed, a musical of any kind at all.
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你甚至都无法为他创作
一部正经的音乐剧。
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But together,
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但是在一起,
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they had become a rather unlikely pairing,
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他们成为一个不太可能的配对,
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and they had produced
the Federalist Papers,
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他们共同写了《联邦主义论》,
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which offered a justification
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它为
宪法的营销计划,
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and, as I mentioned,
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正如我所说,
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a marketing plan for the Constitution,
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给出了理由。
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which had been wildly effective
and wildly successful.
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这是非常有效的
并大获成功。
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Once the new government was in place,
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新政府到位,
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Hamilton became Secretary of the Treasury,
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汉密尔顿成为财政部长,
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and he had a very specific idea in mind.
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他有一个非常具体的想法。
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And that was
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那就是
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to do for financial institutions
and infrastructure
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创立金融机构和基础设施
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exactly what Madison had done
for constitutions.
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正如麦迪逊为了宪法所做的一样。
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Again, his contemporaries all knew it.
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他的同时代人也都知道。
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One of them told Madison,
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其中一人告诉麦迪逊,
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who can't have liked it very much,
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他可能不愿意看到
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that Hamilton was the Newton
of infrastructure.
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汉密尔顿作为美国基础设施的创立者。
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The idea was pretty straightforward.
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这个想法很简单。
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Hamilton would give
the United States a national bank,
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汉密尔顿会为美国
创立一个国家银行,
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a permanent national debt --
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一笔永久国债
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he said it would be
"immortal," his phrase --
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他说那将会是
“永恒不变的”,
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and a manufacturing policy
that would enable trade and manufacturing
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并会制定生产政策,
这将使贸易和制造业
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rather than agriculture,
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超越农业,
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which was where the country's primary
wealth had historically been.
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成为美国的首要财务来源。
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Madison went utterly ballistic.
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麦迪逊极力反驳。
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And in this pivotal, critical decision,
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在这个至关重要的决定中,
05:35
instead of just telling the world
that his old friend Hamilton was wrong
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麦迪逊并没有告诉大家
他的老朋友汉密尔顿错了,
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and was adopting the wrong policies,
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采取了错误的政策,
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he actually began to argue
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他反而开始争论
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that Hamilton's ideas
were unconstitutional --
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汉密尔顿的想法
违反了宪法,
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that they violated the very nature
of the Constitution
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违反了他俩一起
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that the two of them had drafted together.
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起草的宪法本质。
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Hamilton responded
the way you would expect.
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汉密尔顿的回答
正如我们可以预料得到的。
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He declared Madison to be
his "personal and political enemy" --
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他宣称麦迪逊是
他的“个人和政治敌人”
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these are his words.
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这些是他的原话。
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So these two founders who had been
such close friends and such close allies
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两位国父曾经是
亲密的朋友、盟友
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and such partners,
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和合作伙伴,
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then began to produce enmity.
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现在开始产生敌意。
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And they did it in the good,
old-fashioned way.
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他们的做法非常老派。
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First, they founded political parties.
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首先,他们各建政党。
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Madison created a party originally called
the Democratic Republican Party --
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麦迪逊创造了
“民主共和党 ”
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"Republican" for short --
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简称“共和党”,
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and Hamilton created a party
called the Federalist Party.
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汉密尔顿建立了
联邦党。
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Those two parties adopted
positions on national politics
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这两方的政治立场
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that were extreme and exaggerated.
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非常极端和夸张。
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To give you a clear example:
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给你一个明确的例子:
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Madison, who had always believed
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麦迪逊一直相信
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that the country would have
some manufacturing and some trade
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国家应有
一些制造业和一些贸易
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and some agriculture,
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和一些农业,
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began attacking Hamilton
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开始攻击汉密尔顿
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as a kind of tool of the financial markets
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说他是金融市场的工具
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whom Hamilton himself intended
to put in charge of the country.
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一切都是汉密尔顿用来控制
整个国家的伎俩。
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That was an overstatement,
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听起来是很夸张,
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but it was something
Madison came to believe.
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但麦迪逊的确这样想。
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He also attacked city life,
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他还攻击城市生活方式,
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and he said that the coasts were corrupt,
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他说,海岸城市是腐败的,
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and what people needed to do
was to look inwards
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人们需要向内陆看齐
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to the center of the country,
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回到国家的中心,
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to farmers, who were the essence
of Republican virtue,
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尊重农民,他们是
共和党的美德,
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and they should go back to the values
that had made American great,
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人民应该回归
使美国伟大的价值观
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specifically the values of the Revolution,
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特别是革命
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and those were the values of low taxes,
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和低税收的价值观,
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agriculture
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增强农业
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and less trade.
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并减少贸易。
07:21
Hamilton responded to this
by saying that Madison was naïve,
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汉密尔顿回应说
麦迪逊太天真的,
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that he was childish,
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太幼稚,
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and that his goal was
to turn the United States
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他称麦迪逊的目标会将美国
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into a primitive autarchy,
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变为一个原始的独裁国家
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self-reliant and completely ineffectual
on the global scale.
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只能自力更生,
在全球范围内完全不起作用。
07:36
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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They both meant it,
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他们都是认真的,
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and there was some truth
to each of their claims,
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他们的主张中有些属实,
07:42
because each side was grossly exaggerating
the views of the other
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因为每一方都是极力夸张
对方的意见
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in order to fight their war.
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为了打赢这场战争。
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They founded newspapers,
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他们各自创立报纸,
07:51
and so for the first time in US history,
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所以在美国历史上第一次,
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the news that people received
came entirely through the lens
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人们的新闻来源
不是来自共和党
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of either the Republican
or the Federalist party.
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就是来自于联邦党。
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How does this end?
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一切是怎么结束的?
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Well, as it turned out,
the Constitution did its work.
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事实证明,
宪法起了作用。
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But it did its work in surprising ways
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但它起作用的方式
令人惊讶,
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that Madison himself
had not fully anticipated.
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麦迪逊自己
也没有充分预料到。
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First, there was a series of elections.
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首先,有一系列的选举。
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And the first two times out of the box,
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而前两次开箱,
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the Federalists destroyed the Republicans.
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联邦党摧毁了共和党。
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Madison was astonished.
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麦迪逊很惊讶
08:31
Of course, he blamed the press.
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他当然指责新闻界。
08:33
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:36
And in a rather innovative view --
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他提出了一个十分创新的观点——
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Madison never failed to innovate
when he thought about anything --
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麦迪逊不管发生什么
都会提出创新的想法 ——
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he said the reason
that the press was so pro-Federalist
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他说
新闻界偏心于联邦党的原因是
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is that the advertisers
were all Federalists,
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广告商都是联邦党人,
08:47
because they were traders on the coasts
who got their capital from Britain,
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因为联邦党徒是海岸线城市的贸易商
从大英帝国拿钱
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which Federalism was in bed with.
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和英国关系混乱不清。
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That was his initial explanation.
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那是他的初步解释。
08:58
But despite the fact that the Federalists,
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但是,联邦党人
09:00
once in power,
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掌权之后,
09:01
actually enacted laws that criminalized
criticism of the government --
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颁布了法律
治罪于那些批评政府的人,
09:06
that happened in the United States --
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这些在美国都发生过,
09:09
nevertheless,
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尽管如此,
09:11
the Republicans fought back,
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共和党人开始反击,
09:13
and Madison began to emphasize
the freedom of speech,
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麦迪逊开始强调
言论自由,
09:16
which he had built
into the Bill of Rights,
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他早已把这写入《人权法案》,
09:19
and the capacity of civil society
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和允许成立民间组织的自由。
09:21
to organize.
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09:22
And sure enough, nationally,
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当然,在全国,
09:25
small local groups -- they were called
Democratic-Republican Societies --
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被称为“民主共和团”的地方团体
09:29
began to form and protest
against Federalist-dominated hegemony.
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开始联合抗议联邦党强势的霸权。
09:35
Eventually, the Republicans managed
to win a national election --
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最终共和党赢得全国大选,
09:40
that was in 1800.
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那是在1800年。
09:42
Madison became the Secretary of State,
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麦迪逊成为国务卿,
09:44
his friend and mentor Jefferson
became president,
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他的朋友和导师杰斐逊
成为总统,
09:47
and they actually, over time,
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而实际上,随着时间的推移,
09:49
managed to put the Federalists
completely out of business.
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他们设法使联邦党
完全失去业务。
09:54
That was their goal.
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这就是他们的目标。
09:57
Now, why did that happen?
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为什么会这样呢?
10:00
It happened because in the structure
of the Constitution
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这是因为宪法的结构
10:04
were several features
that actually managed faction
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有几个功能
可以管理党派分歧,
10:08
the way there were supposed to do
in the first place.
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这本是首先应该做的事。
10:10
What were those?
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那些是什么?
10:12
One -- most important of all --
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第一,最重要的一点就是
10:14
the freedom of speech.
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言论自由。
10:16
This was an innovative idea at the time.
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在当时,这是一个创新的想法。
10:18
Namely, that if you were out of power,
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也就是说,如果你失去了政权
10:21
you could still say
that the government was terrible.
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你还可以说
政府是可怕的
10:24
Two,
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第二,
10:26
civil society organization.
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民间社会组织。
10:29
The capacity to put together
private groups, individuals,
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组织私人团体,个人,
10:33
political parties and others
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政党等
10:34
who would organize to try to bring
about fundamental change.
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会带来根本的变化。
10:39
Perhaps most significantly
was the separation of powers --
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也许最重要的一条
是分权原则,
10:44
an extraordinary component
of the Constitution.
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它是宪法最非凡的部分。
10:47
The thing about the separation of powers
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分权原则
10:49
is that it did then and it does now,
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不管是在当时还是现在
10:51
drive governance to the center.
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将治理推向中心。
10:56
You can get elected to office
in the United States
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在美国,你可以当选,
10:59
with help from the periphery,
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通过外围的力量
11:01
right or left.
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不管是左派还是右派。
11:03
It turns out,
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事实证明,
11:04
you actually can't govern
unless you bring on board the center.
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除非你着重中心,
你无法治理。
11:10
There are midterm elections
that come incredibly fast
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中期选举会在
11:14
after a presidency begins.
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总统职位开始没多久后
马上举行。
11:17
Those drive presidents towards the center.
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这些都会促使总统
注重中间派。
11:21
There's a structure in which
the president, in fact, does not rule
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其中存在一个结构,
其实总统并不统治
11:25
or even govern,
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也并不能管理,
11:26
but can only propose laws
which other people have to agree with --
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他们只能提案,
而这些提案必须经过他人的同意。
11:31
another feature that tends
to drive presidents
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这就是宪法结构的一个特点
11:34
who actually want to get things done
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促使总统
11:35
to the center.
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着力于最中心。
11:37
And a glance at the newspapers today
will reveal to you
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今日的报纸会透露出
11:41
that these principles are still
completely in operation.
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这些原则依然在运行。
11:46
No matter how a president gets elected,
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无论总统如何当选,
11:48
the president cannot get anything done
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总统不能做任何事情
11:52
unless the president first of all
follows the rules of the Constitution,
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除非总统首先
遵循《宪法》的规定,
11:55
because if not,
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若是没有遵循,
11:56
the courts will stand up,
as indeed has sometimes occurred,
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法院将采取措施,
确实有时会发生,
12:00
not only recently,
but in the past, in US history.
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不仅最近,
但在过去,在美国历史上。
12:03
And furthermore,
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此外,
12:04
the president needs people,
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总统需要人民,
12:05
elected officials who know
they need to win election
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民选官员知道
他们需要
12:08
from centrist voters,
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从中间派选民中
赢得选举。
12:10
also to back his or her policies
in order to pass laws.
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也要支持他或她的政策
以通过法规。
12:15
Without it, nothing much happens.
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没有它,
没什么事情可以发生。
12:19
The takeaway of this brief excursus
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这个简短的美国党派历史的
12:23
into the history of partisanship,
then, is the following:
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关键点在于
12:29
partisanship is real;
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党派是真实的
12:32
it's profound;
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它是深刻的
12:34
it's extraordinarily powerful,
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它非常强大,
12:36
and it's terribly upsetting.
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也会令人十分沮丧。
12:39
But the design of the Constitution
is greater than partisanship.
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但宪法的设计
大于党派。
12:46
It enables us to manage partisanship
when that's possible,
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它使我们能够管理党派
在可能的时候,
12:50
and it enables us actually
to overcome partisan division
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它实际上使我们能够克服党派分裂
12:56
and produce compromise,
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并产生妥协,
12:58
when and only when that is possible.
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只有当可能的时候。
13:03
A technology like that
is a technology that worked
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这样的技术
是一种有效的技术
13:06
for the founders,
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对于国父来说,
13:08
it worked for their grandchildren,
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它为他们的孙辈服务
13:12
it didn't work at the moment
of the Civil War,
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它在内战时没有起作用,
13:14
but then it started working again.
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但后来又开始有用了。
13:16
And it worked for our grandparents,
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它为我们的祖父母服务,
13:18
our parents,
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服务我们的父母,
13:20
and it's going to work for us.
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它也将为我们起效。
13:25
(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:30
So what you should do is really simple.
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所以你应该做的很简单。
13:33
Stand up for what you believe in,
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支持你所相信的,
13:36
support the organizations
that you care about,
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支持你所关注的组织,
13:39
speak out on the issues
that matter to you,
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说出对你很重要的问题,
13:43
get involved,
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参与其中,
13:45
make change,
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改变,
13:46
express you opinion,
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表达你的观点,
13:48
and do it with respect
and knowledge and confidence
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并且用尊重,
知识和信心去做,
13:52
that it's only by working together
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只有人们共同合作,
13:55
that the constitutional technology
can do the job that it is designed to do.
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宪法技术才会发挥
它设计好的作用。
14:00
Stand up for what you believe,
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捍卫你所相信的,
14:02
but take a deep breath while you do it.
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但是在你做的时候要深吸一口气。
14:05
It's going to be OK.
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一切都会没有事。
14:09
Thanks.
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谢谢。
14:10
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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