Antonio Donato Nobre: The magic of the Amazon: A river that flows invisibly all around us
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What do you guys think?
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你们觉得怎么样?
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For those who watched
Sir Ken's memorable TED Talk,
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看过罗兵逊爵士那场
难忘的TED演讲的人
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I am a typical example
of what he describes
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都知道,我就是
他说的那种典型的例子
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as "the body as a form
of transport for the head,"
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作为一个大学教授
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a university professor.
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认为“身体只是运输头脑的工具”
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You might think it was not fair
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你可能会想,这实在太不公平了
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that I've been lined up to speak
after these first two talks
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因为我被排在这两个人之后
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to speak about science.
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来进行关于科学的演讲
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I can't move my body to the beat,
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我既不会随着音乐翩翩起舞
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and after a scientist
who became a philosopher,
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还居然排在一位
从科学家变成哲学家的人后面
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I have to talk about hard science.
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我要谈论一下硬科学
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It could be a very dry subject.
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这真是个很枯燥的话题
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Yet, I feel honored.
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但是,我仍然感到十分荣幸
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Never in my career,
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在我非常漫长的
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and it's been a long career,
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职业生涯中
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have I had the opportunity to start a talk
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从没有过像这次这样
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feeling so inspired, like this one.
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在演讲之前就感到心潮澎湃
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Usually, talking about science
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通常,谈论科学
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is like exercising in a dry place.
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就如同在干燥的地表运动一样
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However, I've had the pleasure
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然后,我非常荣幸
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of being invited to come here
to talk about water.
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被邀请到这里来谈一谈“水”
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The words "water" and "dry"
do not match, right?
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“水”和“旱”这两个词
完全凑不到一块儿,对吧?
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It is even better to talk about
water in the Amazon,
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来谈谈亚马逊的水更好
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which is the splendid cradle
of life. Fresh life.
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那是孕育着丰富生命的地方
新的生命
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So this is what inspired me.
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这启发了我
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That's why I'm here,
although I'm carrying
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也就是我在这儿演讲的原因
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my head over here.
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虽然我其实是顶着大头来的
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I am trying, or will try to convey
this inspiration.
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我正尝试着,
或者说我会尝试着表达我的感动
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I hope this story will inspire you
and that you'll spread the word.
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我希望这个故事也会给你启发,
进而传播我的观点
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We know that there is controversy.
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我们都知道有一个争议的存在
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The Amazon is the "lung of the world,"
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那就是“亚马逊是世界之肺”
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because of its massive power
to have vital gases exchanged
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因为它强大的功能,
在森林和大气之间
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between the forest and the atmosphere.
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交换着我们赖以生存的气体
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We also hear about
the storehouse of biodiversity.
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我们也听过
亚马逊是物种多样性的宝库
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While many believe it,
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虽然很多人都相信这样的说法
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few know it.
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却很少有人真正地了解它
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If you go out there, in this marsh,
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如果你去到了那里,
在这片沼泽地
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you'll be amazed at the --
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你会惊讶地发现
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You can barely see the animals.
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其实你看不到太多的动物
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The Indians say, "The forest
has more eyes than leaves."
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印第安人说:
“森林里的眼睛要比树叶还多。”
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That is true, and I will try
to show you something.
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那倒是真的,
我会试着证明给你看
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But today, I'm going to use
a different approach,
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但是今天,
我要从不同的角度来看
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one that is inspired by these
two initiatives here,
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这个角度是被两个倡议所激发的
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a harmonic one and a philosophical one.
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也就是“和谐”与”哲学“
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I'll try to use an approach
that's slightly materialistic,
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我要试着用些唯物论的方法
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but it also attempts to convey
that, in nature, there is
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但也会试着表达出
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extraordinary philosophy and harmony.
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在自然界的确有非凡的哲学与和谐存在
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There'll be no music in my presentation,
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我的演讲中没有音乐伴奏
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but I hope you'll all notice the music
of the reality I'm going to show you.
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但我希望你们能注意到
我给你们看的现实中的音乐
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I'm going to talk about physiology —
not about lungs,
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我要跟各位谈谈生理学,不是肺
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but other analogies with human physiology,
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而是一些与人类生理类似的推论
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especially the heart.
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特别是心脏
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We'll start
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首先,我们把水
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by thinking that water is like blood.
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想象成是血液
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The circulation in our body
distributes fresh blood,
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我们体内循环输送着的
新鲜血液
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which feeds, nurtures and supports us,
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供养并支持着我们
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and brings the used blood back
to be renewed.
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并把用过的血液带回去重生
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In the Amazon, things happen similarly.
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在亚马逊,
也有很类似的情况
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We'll start by talking about
the power of all these processes.
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我们从这些过程的能量开始谈起
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This is an image
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这是降雨的影像示意
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of rain in motion.
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What you see there
is the years passing in seconds.
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你在这看到的是以秒计的多年数据
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Rains all over the world.
What do you see?
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全世界的降雨情况
你观察到了什么?
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The equatorial region, in general,
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一般而言,赤道一带
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and the Amazon specifically,
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尤其亚马逊地区
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is extremely important
for the world's climate.
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对全球气候的影响甚为深远
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It's a powerful engine.
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这是个强有力的引擎
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There is a frantic evaporation
taking place here.
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超多蒸发作用都在那里发生
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If we take a look at this other image,
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如果我们看下这张图
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which shows the water vapor flow,
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上面显示出水蒸气的流向
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you have dry air in black,
moist air in gray,
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黑的代表干空气
灰的则是湿气
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and clouds in white.
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而白的是云
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What you see there is an extraordinary
resurgence in the Amazon.
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你在上面看到的
是亚马逊地区超大的回潮
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What phenomenon -- if it's not a desert,
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如果这不是沙漠
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what phenomenon makes water
gush from the ground into the atmosphere
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是什么现象能让水从地面涌向大气
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with such power
that it can be seen from space?
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力量如此之大,连在太空中都能观察到?
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What phenomenon is this?
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这是什么现象呢?
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It could be a geyser.
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可能是间歇泉
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A geyser is underground water
heated by magma,
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间歇泉是地下的水经岩浆加热
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exploding into the atmosphere
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被喷射到大气中
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and transferring this water
into the atmosphere.
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并将水分转移至大气
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There are no geysers in the Amazon,
unless I am wrong.
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亚马逊里并没有间歇泉,
除非我弄错了
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I don't know of any.
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但据我所知是没有的
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But we have something
that plays the same role,
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但是有种东西扮演者很类似的角色
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with much more elegance though:
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只不过更为优雅
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the trees, our good old friends
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那就是“树”,我们熟络的伙伴
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that, like geysers,
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它就像间歇泉一般
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can transfer an enormous amount of water
from the ground into the atmosphere.
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可以从地面将巨量水分转移至大气中
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There are 600 billion trees
in the Amazon forest, 600 billion geysers.
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亚马逊森林里有六千亿棵树木
也就是六千亿个间歇泉
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That is done with
an extraordinary sophistication.
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在被相当复杂的机制操控着
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They don't need the heat of magma.
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他们不需要岩浆的热气
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They use sunlight to do this process.
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而是用日光来完成这个过程
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So, in a typical sunny day in the Amazon,
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所以,在亚马逊某一个
阳光璀璨的普通日子里
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a big tree manages
to transfer 1,000 liters of water
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一颗大叔通过它的蒸发作用
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through its transpiration --
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能转移一千公升的水--
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1,000 liters.
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整整一千公升的水
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If we take all the Amazon,
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如果我们把整个亚马逊
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which is a very large area,
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这么一个硕大的地方
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and add it up to all that water
that is released by transpiration,
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里面所有经过蒸发作用的水
都集合起来
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which is the sweat of the forest,
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那也就是森林流下的汗水
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we'll get to an incredible number:
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我们会得到一个很吓人的数字:
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20 billion metric tons of water.
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两百亿公吨水
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In one day.
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这只是一天的量
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Do you know how much that is?
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你知道这到底是多大的量吗?
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The Amazon River,
the largest river on Earth,
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亚马逊河,全球最大河流
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one fifth of all the fresh water
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占了全球五分之一的淡水
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that leaves the continents of the
whole world and ends up in the oceans,
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就是从各个大陆流入海洋的淡水
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dumps 17 billion metric tons
of water a day in the Atlantic Ocean.
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每天有十七亿公吨的水流入大西洋
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This river of vapor
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而这源于森林排入大气的
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that comes up from the forest
and goes into the atmosphere
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水汽之河
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is greater than the Amazon River.
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要比亚马逊河还大
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Just to give you an idea.
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给你一点概念
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If we could take a gigantic kettle,
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假设我们拿一个巨大的水壶
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the kind you could plug into
a power socket, an electric one,
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能直接插电的那种电热壶
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and put those 20 billion
metric tons of water in it,
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把那二百亿公吨的水倒进去
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how much power would you need
to have this water evaporated?
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你要花多少电力才能让这些水蒸发掉呢?
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Any idea? A really big kettle.
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有概念吗?一个很大的水壶
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A gigantic kettle, right?
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超大的水壶,对吧?
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50 thousand Itaipus.
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五万座伊泰普水电站
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Itaipu is still the largest
hydroelectric plant in the world.
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那仍是世界上最大的水力发电站
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and Brazil is very proud of it
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巴西十分引以为豪
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because it provides more
than 30 percent of the power
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因为它提供的电力
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that is consumed in Brazil.
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超过巴西总用电量的30%
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And the Amazon is here,
doing this for free.
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亚马逊就在这里免费做这个事情
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It's a vivid and extremely powerful plant,
providing environmental services.
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这是个充满生机又极其强大的发电站
提供着环境服务
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Related to this subject,
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与这个主题有关
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we are going to talk about
what I call the paradox of chance,
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我们要谈谈我称之为“机会的悖论”
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which is curious.
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这很奇特
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If you look at the world map --
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如果你看到这幅世界地图
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it's easy to see this --
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你很容易看到
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you'll see that there are forests
in the equatorial zone,
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在赤道带有片片森林
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and deserts are organized
at 30 degrees north latitude,
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而沙漠则聚集在北纬30°
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30 degrees south latitude, aligned.
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以及南纬三十°,排成了一条线
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Look over there, in the southern
hemisphere, the Atacama;
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看这儿,在南半球,阿塔卡马沙漠
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Namibia and Kalahari in Africa;
the Australian desert.
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非洲的纳米比亚和克拉哈利,
澳洲的沙漠
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In the northern hemisphere,
the Sahara, Sonoran, etc.
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在北半球,撒哈拉、
索诺兰沙漠,等等
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There is an exception, and it's curious:
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只有一个例外,
这很奇特
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It's the quadrangle that ranges from
Cuiabá to Buenos Aires,
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这是个四边形,
从库亚巴到布宜诺斯艾利斯
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and from São Paulo to the Andes.
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从圣保罗到安第斯
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This quadrangle
was supposed to be a desert.
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这个四边形本应是一座沙漠
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It's on the line of deserts.
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它就位于沙漠带上
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Why isn't it? That's why
I call it the paradox of chance.
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但为什么事实并非如此?
这就是为何我称之为“机会的悖论”
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What do we have in South America
that is different?
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我们在南美有什么不一样的东西呢?
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If we could use the analogy
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如果我们能拿
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of the blood circulating in our bodies,
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我们体内的血液循环
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like the water
circulating in the landscape,
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就像是水在大地的循环
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we see that rivers are veins,
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我们就能视河流为静脉
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they drain the landscape,
they drain the tissue of nature.
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它们耗尽大地,
耗尽自然的组织
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Where are the arteries?
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那么动脉又在哪里?
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Any guess?
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猜到了吗?
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What takes --
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什么能够--
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How does water get to irrigate
the tissues of nature
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水如何能灌溉大自然的组织
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and bring everything back through rivers?
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然后把所有东西经河流带回去?
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There is a new type of river,
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有一种新型河流
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which originates in the blue sea,
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发源于蓝色大海
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which flows through the green ocean --
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流过绿色的林海
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it not only flows, but it is also
pumped by the green ocean --
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不只是流过而已,
绿色的林海还要抽取它
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and then it falls on our land.
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然后掉落在我们的土地上
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All our economy, that quadrangle,
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我们所有的经济,那片四边形
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70 percent of South America's
GDP comes from that area.
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70%南美的国内生产毛额
都从那面四边形地区而来
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It depends on this river.
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它依赖着这条河
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This river flows invisibly above us.
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这条河也在我们头顶无形地流过
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We are floating here
on this floating hotel,
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我们就漂在一条河上方,
这旅馆也漂流在上方
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on one of the largest rivers on Earth,
the Negro River.
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漂在全世界最大河流之一,
尼罗河上方
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It's a bit dry and rough,
but we are floating here,
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现在是有点干,
但我们是在其上方漂浮着
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and there is this
invisible river running above us.
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而且还有这条看不见的河流
在我们上方流过
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This river has a pulse.
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这条河流有脉搏
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Here it is, pulsing.
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就在这儿,跳动着
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That's why we also talk about the heart.
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这就是为什么我们也要谈谈心脏
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You can see the different seasons there.
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你们可以看见那些有季节变迁
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There's the rainy season. In the Amazon,
we used to have two seasons,
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这里有雨季,在亚马逊
我们习惯于两种季节
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the humid season
and the even more humid season.
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湿季和更潮湿的湿季
09:02
Now we have a dry season.
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现在我们居然有干季了
09:03
You can see the river covering that region
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你可以看见流经那片区域的河流
09:06
which, otherwise, would be a desert.
And it is not.
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那片地区本应是沙漠,
但却并没有成为沙漠
09:13
We, scientists --
You see that I'm struggling here
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我们科学家...
你看,我在这儿挣扎着
09:17
to move my head
from one side to the other.
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要把头从这边转向那边
(注,罗兵逊爵士的演讲)
09:19
Scientists study how it works, why, etc.
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科学家研究这如何运作,
为何发生等等
09:25
and these studies
are generating a series of discoveries,
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而这些研究会产生一系列
09:29
which are absolutely fabulous,
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美妙非凡的发现
09:31
to raise our awareness of the wealth,
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提高我们对财富、复杂性、
09:34
the complexity,
and the wonder that we have,
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以及我们所有用奇迹的意识
09:36
the symphony we have in this process.
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我们在这过程中所拥有的和谐上
09:39
One of them is: How is rain formed?
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其中之一的研究是:
“雨是如何形成的?”
09:41
Above the Amazon, there is clean air,
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在亚马逊之上是干净的空气
09:45
as there is clean air above the ocean.
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就像海洋上有干净的空气一样
09:47
The blue sea has clean air above it
and forms pretty few clouds;
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蔚蓝的海洋上方有着干净的空气
很少有云形成
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there's almost no rain there.
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那里几乎没有雨
09:51
The green ocean has the same clean air,
but forms a lot of rain.
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绿色的林海一样有着干净的空气,
但会形成很多雨
09:56
What is happening here that is different?
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是什么导致了不一样的结果?
09:58
The forest emits smells,
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森林排放气味
10:00
and these smells are condensation nuclei,
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这些气味是云凝结核
10:03
which form drops in the atmosphere.
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在大气中形成雨滴
10:05
Then, clouds are formed
and there is torrential rain.
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云因此形成,
产生暴雨
10:10
The sprinkler of the Garden of Eden.
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伊甸园的湿气机
10:13
This relation between a living thing,
which is the forest,
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生物,即森林
10:18
and a nonliving thing,
which is the atmosphere,
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与无生物,即大气,
两者之间的关系
10:21
is ingenious in the Amazon,
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在亚马逊是无比奇妙的
10:24
because the forest provides
water and seeds,
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因为森林提供水和种子
10:29
and the atmosphere forms the rain
and gives water back,
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而大气形成雨,
再把水输送回来
10:32
guaranteeing the forest's survival.
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保障了森林的存活
10:36
There are other factors as well.
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还有其他的因素
10:37
We've talked a little about the heart,
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我们谈了谈心脏
10:39
and let's now talk about
another function: the liver!
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现在我们谈谈另一个器官:肝脏
10:42
When humid air, high humidity
and radiation are combined
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当湿空气、高湿度和辐射
与这些有机化合物结合到一起
10:47
with these organic compounds,
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10:49
which I call exogenous vitamin C,
generous vitamin C in the form of gas,
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我称之为外生的维他命C,
大量的维他命C以气体形式存在
10:55
the plants release antioxidants
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植物就释放抗氧化剂
10:58
which react with pollutants.
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和污染物相互作用
11:00
You can rest assured
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你大可放心
11:02
that you are breathing the purest air
on Earth, here in the Amazon,
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你在亚马逊这儿吸入的
是世界上最纯净的空气
11:05
because the plants take care
of this characteristic as well.
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因为植物也照顾了这一特性
11:09
This benefits the very way plants work,
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这对植物本身的工作也非常有益
11:11
which is another ingenious cycle.
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而这又是另一个巧妙的循环
11:13
Speaking of fractals,
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说道分形学
11:17
and their relation with the way we work,
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以及它们与身体运作方式的关联
11:19
we can establish other comparisons.
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我们还能做出其他的比较
11:22
As in the upper airways of our lungs,
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就像我们肺的上呼吸道
11:26
the air in the Amazon
gets cleaned up from the excess of dust.
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亚马逊也要清除空气中过量的粉尘
11:29
The dust in the air that we breathe
is cleaned by our airways.
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我们的气道会清除吸入的空气粉尘
11:33
This keeps the excess of dust
from affecting the rainfall.
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如此一来,过量的粉尘才不会影响降雨
11:37
When there are fires in the Amazon,
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亚马逊发生火灾时
11:39
the smoke stops the rain,
it stops raining,
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烟雾灰阻挡降雨,
就无法成雨了
11:42
the forest dries up and catches fire.
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森林会干枯,起火
11:44
There is another fractal analogy.
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还有一个分形类比
11:47
Like in the veins and arteries,
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雨水就像静脉和动脉一样
11:49
the rain water is a feedback.
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也是一种反馈
11:51
It returns to the atmosphere.
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它回到大气
11:53
Like endocrinal glands and hormones,
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就像内分泌腺与荷尔蒙
11:58
there are those gases
which I told you about before,
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我刚刚提到过,有一些气体
12:00
that are formed and released
into the atmosphere, like hormones,
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会在大气中形成、释放,
就像荷尔蒙一样
12:04
which help in the formation of rain.
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它们会帮助成雨
12:07
Like the liver and the kidneys,
as I've said, cleaning the air.
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又好比肝与肾,像我之前说的,
会净化空气
12:11
And, finally, like the heart:
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而最后,就像心脏,
12:13
pumping water from outside, from the sea,
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从外面,也就是海洋,泵水
12:18
into the forest.
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注入森林
12:20
We call it the biotic moisture pump,
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我们称它为生物性水气泵
12:23
a new theory that is explained
in a very simple way.
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是一种新的理论,
可以用非常简单的方法解释
12:27
If there is a desert in the continent
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如果大陆上有一片沙漠
12:30
with a nearby sea,
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那附近有一片海洋
12:32
evaporation's greater on the sea,
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海面上的蒸发作用会比较大
12:34
and it sucks the air above the desert.
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并且会从沙漠上方的空气吸水
12:37
The desert is trapped in this condition.
It will always be dry.
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困在这种情况下的沙漠
永远都很干燥
12:40
If you have
the opposite situation, a forest,
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假设情况相反,
森林的蒸发作用来得更大
12:43
the evaporation, as we showed,
is much greater, because of the trees,
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正如我们之前展示的,
因为这些树木的关系
12:47
and this relation is reversed.
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那么这种关系就会反过来
12:48
The air above the sea
is sucked into the continent
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海洋上方的空气会被吸入大陆
12:51
and humidity is imported.
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湿气从外部输入
12:54
This satellite image
was taken one month ago —
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这张卫星图是一个月前拍摄的
12:58
that's Manaus down there,
we're down there —
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下面那个是玛瑙斯市,
我们就在下方那儿
13:01
and it shows this process.
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这张照片显示了这个过程
13:02
It's not a common little river
that flows into a canal.
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这可不是一条流入渠道的普通小河流
13:05
It's a mighty river
that irrigates South America,
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这是条大河,灌溉着整个南美洲
13:10
among other things.
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当然还有别的(原因)
13:12
This image shows those paths,
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这张照片显示了所有
13:14
all the hurricanes
that have been recorded.
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已被记录的飓风路径
13:17
You can see that, in the red square,
there hardly are any hurricanes.
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你可以看到在这个红框内,
几乎没有飓风
13:22
That is no accident.
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这可不是什么巧合
13:23
This pump that sucks
the moisture into the continent
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这个泵吸水气进入大陆
13:27
also speeds up the air above the sea,
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同时加快了海洋上方的空气流动
13:29
and this prevents hurricane formations.
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这会阻挡飓风的形成
13:33
To close this part and sum up,
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要结束并总结这一部分
13:37
I'd like to talk about
something a little different.
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我想讲一点不太一样的东西
13:40
I have several colleagues
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我有几个同事
13:42
who worked in the development
of these theories.
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从事这些理论的发展和研究
13:44
They think, and so do I,
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他们认为,我也这么认为
13:48
that we can save planet Earth.
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我们能够拯救地球
13:50
I'm not talking only about the Amazon.
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我不只是在说亚马逊
13:53
The Amazon teaches us a lesson
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亚马逊给我们上了堂课
13:55
on how pristine nature works.
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那就是,原始大自然是如何运作的
13:59
We didn't understand
these processes before
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我们之前并不了解这些过程
14:02
because the rest of the world
is messed up.
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因为世界上其他地方乱七八糟的
14:05
We could understand it here, though.
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我们本来是能在这儿搞明白的
14:06
These colleagues propose
that, yes, we can
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这些同事建议,没错
我们可以拯救其他地区
14:10
save other areas,
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14:12
including deserts.
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包括沙漠
14:14
If we could establish forests
in those other areas,
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假如我们可以在其他地区造林
14:17
we can reverse climate change,
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我们就能扭转气候变迁
14:19
including global warming.
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包括全球变暖
14:22
I have a dear colleague in India,
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我在印度有个关系很好的同事
14:24
whose name is Suprabha Seshan,
and she has a motto.
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她的名字是希珊,她有句格言
14:27
Her motto is,
"Gardening back the biosphere,"
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格言说道:
“Gardening back the biosphere.”
14:31
"Reajardinando a biosfera" in Portuguese.
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葡萄牙语里的意思就是
“在生物圈内重新造园。”
14:34
She does a wonderful job
rebuilding ecosystems.
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她在重建生态系统方面表现突出
14:37
We need to do this.
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我们需要做这个
14:39
Having closed this quick introduction,
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要结束这段简单的介绍
14:44
we see the reality that we have out here,
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我们看到了在那里的现实
14:47
which is drought, this climate change,
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就是干旱,这一气候变迁
14:50
things that we already knew.
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是我们早就知道的事
14:52
I'd like to tell you a short story.
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我想跟你说一个小故事
14:56
Once, about four years ago,
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有一次,在大约四年前
15:00
I attended a declamation,
of a text by Davi Kopenawa,
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我参加了大卫·柯本那瓦起草的宣言
15:04
a wise representative
of the Yanomami people,
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他是位有智慧的亚诺玛米代表
15:07
and it went more or less like this:
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宣言的内容大致是:
15:09
"Doesn't the white man know
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“难道白人不知道
15:12
that, if he destroys the forest,
there will be no more rain?
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如果他毁掉了森林,就不再会有降雨?
15:15
And that, if there's no more rain,
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如果不再有降雨,
15:17
there'll be nothing to drink, or to eat?"
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就没有东西可供吃喝?”
15:20
I heard that, and my eyes welled up
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我听了以后,眼里噙着泪水
15:23
and I went, "Oh, my!
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我说,“哦!天哪!
15:24
I've been studying this for 20 years,
with a super computer,
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我花了20年时间研究这个,
用超级电脑,
15:28
dozens, thousands of scientists,
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成千上万的科学家都在研究
15:31
and we are starting to get to this
conclusion, which he already knows!"
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然后我们才开始得出这样的结论,
可他早就知道了!”
15:34
A critical point is the Yanomami
have never deforested.
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重点是亚诺玛米族人从不毁林
15:39
How could they know the rain would end?
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他们怎么知道毁林后就不再有雨?
15:42
This bugged me and I was befuddled.
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这个问题困扰着我,我大惑不解
15:46
How could he know that?
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他是怎么知道的?
15:47
Some months later,
I met him at another event and said,
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几个月前,我在另一场活动上
遇到他,我问:
15:51
"Davi, how did you know that if the forest
was destroyed, there'd be no more rain?"
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“大卫,你怎么知道森林一旦毁了,
就不再有雨?”
15:57
He replied:
"The spirit of the forest told us."
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他答到:“森林的精灵告诉我们的。”
16:02
For me, this was a game changer,
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对我而言,这改变了我的想法
16:06
a radical change.
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彻彻底底的改变了
16:08
I said, "Gosh!
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我说:“天哪!
16:09
Why am I doing all this science
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为什么我搞了半天的科学研究
16:14
to get to a conclusion
that he already knows?"
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只得到他早就知道的事情?”
16:17
Then, something
absolutely critical hit me,
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然后我突然想到一件很关键的事
16:23
which is,
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那就是
16:27
seeing is believing.
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眼见为信
16:31
Out of sight, out of mind.
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眼不见为净
16:35
This is a need the previous speaker
pointed out:
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上一位演讲者指出了这件事的必要性
16:39
We need to see things --
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我们必须亲眼见到...
16:42
I mean, we, Western society,
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我是说,我们西方社会
16:44
which is becoming global, civilized --
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越来越全球化、文明程度更高
16:47
we need to see.
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我们非得亲眼见到
16:48
If we don't see,
we don't register the information.
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如果我们没有亲眼见到,
就不会注意这些资讯
16:51
We live in ignorance.
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我们生活在无知之中
16:52
So, I propose the following --
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所以,我要提出以下--
16:54
of course, the astronomer
wouldn't like the idea --
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当然,天文学家不会喜欢这个想法--
16:57
but let's turn the Hubble telescope
upside down.
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但让我们把哈勃望远镜倒过来
17:00
And let's make it look down here,
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倒过来往下看看这儿
17:02
rather than to the far reaches
of the universe.
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不是望向远处的宇宙
17:04
The universe is wonderful,
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宇宙是很奇妙的
17:06
but we have a practical reality,
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但我们还有现实要面对
17:08
which is we live in an unknown cosmos,
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就是我们住在未知的小宇宙里
17:12
and we're ignorant about it.
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去对此置之不理
17:14
We're trampling on this wonderful cosmos
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我们蹂躏着这片奇妙的小宇宙
17:17
that shelters us and houses us.
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庇护着我们,让我们安居的小宇宙
17:19
Talk to any astrophysicist.
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去问问任何一位天文物理学家
17:21
The Earth is a statistical improbability.
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地球的存在在统计学上是不可能的
17:24
The stability and comfort that we enjoy,
despite the droughts of the Negro River,
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我们所享受的安定与舒适,
尽管有尼罗河的干旱
17:28
and all the heat and cold
and typhoons, etc.,
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还有那些冷热飓风
17:31
there is nothing like it in the universe,
that we know of.
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但地球是我们所知的宇宙里
绝无仅有的一个星球
17:34
Then, let's turn Hubble in our direction,
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所以,让我们把哈勃转向自己
17:36
and let's look at the Earth.
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让我们看看地球
17:41
Let's start with the Amazon!
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让我们从亚马逊开始看
17:43
Let's dive,
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让我们潜心钻研
17:44
let's reach out the reality
we live in every day,
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让我们面对每天生活的现实
17:49
and look carefully at it,
since that's what we need.
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仔细看,因为那才是我们所需要的
17:52
Davi Kopenawa doesn't need this.
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大卫·柯本那瓦不需要这些
17:54
He has something already
that I think I missed.
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他早就有了我未曾想到的东西
我的知识来自于电视
17:57
I was educated by television.
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17:58
I think that I missed this,
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我想我从没想过这个
18:00
an ancestral record,
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先人代代相传的记录
18:02
a valuation of what I don't know,
what I haven't seen.
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是我不知道,从未见过的评估
18:06
He is not a doubting Thomas.
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他不是圣经中多疑的托马斯
18:08
He believes,
with veneration and reverence,
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他以崇敬和敬畏之心,单纯地相信
18:12
in what his ancestors
and the spirits taught him.
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他的祖先和精灵教给他的事
18:15
We can't do it,
so let's look into the forest.
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我们做不到这一点,
所以让我们深入地看森林
18:18
Even with Hubble up there --
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即使有哈勃在上面看
18:21
this is a bird's-eye view, right?
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这只是个鸟瞰图,对吧?
18:23
Even when this happens,
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即使只是个鸟瞰图
18:25
we also see something that we don't know.
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我们仍能看到我们不知道的事
18:28
The Spanish called it the green inferno.
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西班牙人称它为绿色地狱
18:31
If you go out there
into the bushes and get lost,
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如果你去哪里深入森林迷路了
18:34
and, let's say, if you head west,
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然后,随便一说,如果你向西走
18:36
it's 900 kilometers to Colombia,
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你要走900公里才能到达哥伦比亚
18:38
and another 1,000 to somewhere else.
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还要再走1000公里才能到别的地方
18:40
So, you can figure out
why they called it the green inferno.
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所以你知道为什么
西班牙人称亚马逊为绿色地狱了吧
18:43
But go and look at what is in there.
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但是去看看那里面究竟有什么
18:46
It is a live carpet.
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那是一张活地毯
18:48
Each color you see is a tree species.
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你看到的每一种颜色
都代表一个树种
18:50
Each tree, each tree top,
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每棵树,每支树梢
18:52
has up to 10,000 species of insects in it,
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都有多达一万种昆虫在里面
18:56
let alone the millions of species
of fungi, bacteria, etc.
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更别说数都数不清的真菌、细菌等等
19:00
All invisible.
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那都是看不见的
19:02
All of it is an even stranger cosmos to us
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这些对我们而言是更奇怪的宇宙
19:05
than the galaxies billions
of light years away from the Earth,
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比离地球是百万年元的银河更奇怪
19:08
which Hubble brings
to our newspapers everyday.
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而哈勃每天在报纸上带来新消息
19:12
I'm going to end my talk here --
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我就此打住
19:14
I have a few seconds left --
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因为我只剩几秒钟
19:16
by showing you this wonderful being.
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要给你们看看这奇妙的生物
19:18
When we see the morpho butterfly
in the forest,
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当我们在森林里看到闪蝶
19:21
we feel like someone's left open
the door to heaven,
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我们就觉得好像
有人打开了通往天堂的大门
19:24
and this creature escaped from there,
because it's so beautiful.
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这个生物是从天堂逃出来的
因为它太美了
19:27
However, I cannot finish
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但我实在无法就这样
19:30
without showing you a tech side.
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没让你们看到它的科技面
就结束演讲
19:32
We are tech-arrogant.
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我们以科技挂帅
19:35
We deprive nature of its technology.
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我们剥夺了大自然的科技
19:39
A robotic hand is technological,
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机械手是科技
19:40
mine is biological,
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我的手则是生物体
19:42
and we don't think about it anymore.
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所以就不值得再去深入研究了
19:43
Let's then look at the morpho butterfly,
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让我们再来看看闪蝶吧
19:46
an example of an invisible
technological competence of life,
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极微小的生物
却是个充满科技潜能的例子
19:51
which is at the very heart of our
possibility of surviving on this planet,
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是让我们能在这星球上
继续生存的最佳机会
19:56
and let's zoom in on it.
Again, Hubble is there.
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让我们拉近焦距放大来看,
再来看,哈勃在这儿
19:58
Let's get into the butterfly's wings.
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让我们看看蝴蝶的翅膀
20:00
Scholars have tried to explain:
Why is it blue?
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学者试图解释,
它为什么是蓝色的?
20:04
Let's zoom in on it.
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放大来看
20:05
What you see is that the architecture
of the invisible humiliates
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你看见的是肉眼看不见的结构
20:11
the best architects in the world.
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会让世界上最牛的建筑师都蒙羞
20:14
All of this on a tiny scale.
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这一切都在极小的比例内
20:16
Besides its beauty and functioning,
there is another side to it.
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除了美丽和功效,它还有另一面
20:19
In nature,
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在自然界
20:22
all that is organized in extraordinary
structures has a function.
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所有组织在非凡结构体中的东西
都有其功能性
20:26
This function of the morpho butterfly —
it is not blue;
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闪蝶的功能...它本身不是蓝色
20:31
it does not have blue pigments.
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它没有蓝色素
20:32
It has photonic crystals on its surface,
according to people who studied it,
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据研究者说,它表面有光子晶体
20:36
which are extremely
sophisticated crystals.
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那是非常复杂的晶体
20:38
Our technology had
nothing like that at the time.
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我们目前的科技仍望尘莫及
20:42
Hitachi has now made a monitor
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目前日立用这项科技
20:45
that uses this technology,
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发明了一种显示器
20:46
and it is used in optical fibers
to transmit --
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并用在光纤上以传输--
20:48
Janine Benyus, who's been here several
times, talks about it: biomimetics.
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珍妮‧班纳斯来谈过很多次:
这就是仿生学
20:53
My time's up.
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我的时间用完了
20:54
Then, I'll wrap it up with
what is at the base of this capacity,
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那么我来总结一下
生物多样性机能、能力的基础是什么
21:00
of this competence of biodiversity,
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21:02
producing all these wonderful services:
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竟得以产生这些奇妙的贡献?
21:05
the living cell.
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是生物细胞
21:06
It is a structure with a few microns,
which is an internal wonder.
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这个结构只有几微米大,
真是体内的奇迹了
21:10
There are TED Talks about it.
I won't talk much longer,
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已经有几个TED演讲讨论过它,
我就不再赘述
21:13
but each person in this room,
including myself,
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但在座的每一位,包括我
21:16
has 100 trillion of these
micromachines in their body,
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都有一百兆个微小的机器在体内
21:20
so that we can enjoy well-being.
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我们因此才能安享人生
21:23
Imagine what is out there
in the Amazon forest:
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想象一下在亚马逊森林都有什么:
21:25
100 trillion. This is greater
than the number of stars in the sky.
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一百兆,比天上的繁星还多
21:29
And we are not aware of it.
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而我们居然对此一无所知
21:31
Thank you so much. (Applause)
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非常感谢(掌声)
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