From Aaliyah to Jay-Z: Captured moments in hip-hop history - Jonathan Mannion

譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Helen Chang

This is The Notorious B.I.G., 1995,

這是聲名狼藉先生， 時間是 1995 年，

the Palladium nightclub, New York City.

地點在紐約市的夜店 Palladium 。

What really I want to talk about is

我真正想要談的重點是

my dedication, my 100% focus,

我的奉獻、我百分百的專注，

and finding something that I love,

以及找到我所愛的事物，

my passion point.

我的激情點。

I fought to be on this stage,

我很努力才站到這舞台上，

to be able to stand next to Lil' Kim

站在莉兒金旁邊，

and take all these pictures to create

拍攝所有這些相片

來製作出最後這一張照片。

one definitive photo.

A photo that was the most important

它是我所有的攝影作品中

of anything that I took.

最重要的一件。

And I really wanted it for future generations

我真的很希望透過它 來讓未來的世代

to be able to feel the energy that was in that room,

感受到在那房間中的能量，

and certaintly you can feel that right there.

當然，也希望你們 在那裡也感受得到。

I'm a photographer, this is what I do for a living.

我是攝影師，這是我維生的職業。

I chase these moments,

我追逐這些時刻，

these fractions of seconds,

這些零碎的片刻，

that will never be the same again.

錯過了，就不會再有。

You can't take this picture again because I took it,

你不能再拍這照片，因為我拍了，

and he's no longer with us, sadly, rest in peace.

且，讓人難過的是， 他已經過世了，願他安息。

The definitive portrait of that person, in that moment,

那個人在那個時刻 當下僅有的獨特寫照，

is what I strive for every single time out,

是我每次攝影時努力的目標，

like when you close your eyes

當你閉上眼睛，

and think of a picture of Jay-Z,

回想一張傑斯的照片，

I want it to be my picture.

我希望你想到的是我拍的照片。

So far, so good.

目前我做得很好。

Eight album covers for Jay-Z later,

我後來為傑斯拍了八張專輯封面，

I'm not doing too bad.

我做得還不差。

Aaliyah. Gorgeous and amazing,

這是艾莉婭，漂亮又讓人驚艷，

and I really spent proper time with her,

我真的有很美好的時光， 不論是跟她相處、

conversing, having a conversation,

交談、談話、

connecting to her,

跟她連結，

which I find is a big part of my work.

我認為這是我工作 很重要的一部分。

That connection, to be able to have a conversation,

那種連結，能夠交談，

to say you're doing great,

說你做得很好，

to say why I want a certain picture and a certain attitude.

說為什麼我會想要 某種照片以及某種態度。

In this moment, we talked about shooting in the Caribbean,

此時，我們在討論 要去加勒比拍攝，

and it's sort of a passion point for me,

那算是我的激情點，

Caribbean culture, Trinidad, Barbados, Jamaica,

加勒比海文化，千里達、 巴貝多、牙買加，

and I said, "We should do a photo shoot there

我說：「我們應該在那拍一張，

because I think it would be incredible."

因為我覺得那樣會很棒。」

And she said, "Yeah, you know, let's do it."

她說：「好，就這麼做吧。」

You know, as we're taking these beautiful pictures,

當我們在拍攝這些美麗的照片時，

all this is happening,

所有這一切就發生了。

I'm continuing to converse with her and really connect.

我繼續跟她交談， 和她真正有所連結。

So, she believed in my vision at that moment,

所以，那時，她相信我的遠景，

you know, even while all the work was happening

即使當所有的工作都在進行中，

there was a human connection that happened.

有一種人類連結產生了。

那天收工時，

At the end of the day,

I have people sign Polaroids

我請大家在拍立得照片上簽名，

just as kind of a diary for myself.

這是我的一種日記。

她寫的是：

And she wrote,

"I can't wait for the Caribbean. I'll see you then."

「我等不及加勒比海的 合作了，到時見。」

(Exhales)

（吐氣）

You've got to take a breath. You've got to take a breath.

你得深呼吸一下。深呼吸一下。

She's missed incredibly.

大家非常懷念她。 （艾莉婭於 2001 年過世）

And I think what the reminder is

我覺得這件事能提醒我們

that these moments are really precious,

這些時刻很珍貴，

and you really have to take the time to connect to them,

你真的得要花時間去和它們連結。

to be part of that process,

成為那過程的一部分，

to make a difference in people's lives in that moment.

在那時刻，在別人的 生命中造成不同。

You never know how you're affected by somebody,

你永遠不會知道 別人會對你有什麼影響。

clearly I am, you can see it,

我就是個明顯的例子， 你們看得出來，

but you never know how you affect that person,

但你永遠不知道 你是如何影響那個人、

how you make that moment a little more important for them.

如何增加一點那一刻 對他們的重要性。

This is my good friend Drake.

這是我的好友德雷克。

I had the opportunity to work with him

我有機會與他合作

for the FADER magazine.

FADER 雜誌的工作。

He is a beast and one of my favorites.

他是頭野獸，我最愛的其中之一。

He's my friend.

他是我的朋友。

I shot him for three different days,

我分別在不同的三天幫他拍照，

two in New York, and he had just signed his record deal.

其中兩天在紐約， 他剛簽了唱片合約。

He said, "What's most important to me

他說：「對我最重要的事

is going home to Toronto to celebrate with my family."

是回到多倫多跟 我的家人一起慶祝。」

So, we went home. We flew home.

拍完後，我們坐飛機回家。

And he said, "I've got to do a pit stop.

他說：「我下午要先停一站，

I've got to go see my grandmother in the afternoon,

我得去看我祖母，

and so you probably don't want to bother with that."

你可能不會想跟來。」

I said, "It would be an honor to meet your grandmother."

我說：「能見到你的祖母 是我的榮幸。」

I asked for what I wanted.

我想要什麼我就會索求。

I asked for access that nobody else had

我索求了別人沒有的通路，

because this is what makes a photographer sort of greater,

這會讓一個攝影師更傑出，

to have a picture that somebody else doesn't have.

才能拍出別人拍不出的照片。

We want these unique moments.

我們想要這些獨一無二的時刻。

I asked for these moments, right?

我得索求這些時刻，對吧？

And I'm reminded of a story.

我想起一個故事。

He said, "Grandma, I just got millions of dollars.

他說：「祖母，我剛賺了幾百萬。

我剛簽了一份唱片合約。

I just signed a record deal.

I've got millions of dollars

我從 Cash Money Universal

from Cash Money Universal and Young Money."

跟 Young Money 賺了好幾百萬。」

And she said, "A million dollars?"

她說：「一百萬？」

He said, "No Grandma, millions of dollars. What do you want?"

他說：「不對，祖母， 是幾百萬。你想要什麼？」

And she said, "I want a kiss, and I want a hug."

她說：「我想要一個親吻 和一個擁抱。」

Again, the reminder of, like, why we do this.

這一景也同樣提醒了 我們做這些的初衷。

It also revealed for me another layer of Drake as a character,

這也讓我我看到德雷克 這個角色的另一個層次，

and how important this guy is,

及這個人有多重要，

you know, his message.

他帶來的訊息。

He's not just about the limelight and self-serving.

不要只把他想成聚光燈焦點 或為自己謀利。

He's connected to these moments

他跟這些時刻連結的程度並不少於

as much as I was connected to this moment as a photographer.

我身為攝影師跟這一刻的連結。

我知道每個人每天會都這麼做，

I know everybody does this everyday,

they ask DMX to get in a pool of blood.

他們會叫 DMX 到血池裡面。

This was my challenge this day.

這是我當天的挑戰。

I needed to get him to see my vision.

我得讓他了解我的構想。

I was very clear in what I wanted for

我清楚我想拍出什麼：

"Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood,"

「我肉中的肉，血中的血」，

which was his album cover.

他的專輯封面。

You know, I envisioned photographs of him in this pool of blood,

我想像中的照片是他在血池裡，

just making these things happen, you know?

努力讓這些構想實質。

And what was difficult was he didn't see it

但，困難之處在於，他所看到的

the same way I saw it, right?

和我所看到的不一樣，對吧？

He walked in, and he had these pants on. Brand new pants.

他走進來時， 穿著一件全新的褲子。

Everybody feels fresh when they have brand new pants on, right?

大家穿著新褲子的時候， 都會覺得清新，對吧？

He said, "I'm not getting in that pool of blood."

他說：「我才不要到這池血裡。」

I said, "Oh yes, you're going to get in that pool of blood."

我說：「喔， 你得要進到那血池。」

You know? And he said,

然後他說：

"No, my dogs, I'm not getting in that pool of blood."

「不，伙計，我才不會進去。」

我說：「老兄， 你得要進這血池裡。」

And I said, "My dude, you're going to get in that pool of blood."

And in a bold statement, using all the psychology knowledge

我大概是用盡了我在凱尼恩學院

that I had from my schooling at Kenyon College,

學到的所有心理學知識，

我當場在四十人面前 脫下我的褲子，

I dropped my pants in front of 40 people on a set

that all were, like, stunned.

大家都目瞪口呆。

DMX laughed.

DMX 大笑。

He said, "Alright, my dude,

他說：「好啦，老兄，

put your pants back on, and I'll get in the blood."

把褲子穿起來，我進血池就是了。」

One of the most epic photos that we've ever created

這張照片是我們在這嘻哈運動中

in this hip-hop movement.

所創作的最壯觀的照片之一。

我在家鄉的土地上。我在紐奧良。

I'm on home soil. I'm in New Orleans.

We've got to give love to Lil Wayne.

我們得要向小韋恩致敬。

Lil Wayne is an incredible MC,

小韋恩是很出色的饒舌歌手，

and the biggest point that I want to drive home here

我會想要返鄉，最主要的原因

is about the opportunity to create

是因為有機會可以和別人

somebody's legacy with them,

一起創造他們的遺產，

to take pictures, to see them grow.

拍照片、看他們成長。

It was about trust in the moment

重要的是在當下的信任，

and understanding that you could make a difference,

並且了解你能夠造成不同，

have a communication,

可以溝通，

see somebody elevate and move forward,

看見別人振作起來向前走，

to take a variety of different pictures, you know?

去拍攝各種不同的照片。

Him in a spacesuit.

穿太空衣的小韋恩。

He's a Martian, you know, what can I say, you know?

他是個火星人，我能說什麼呢？

But it was about seeing his growth,

不過重點是看他成長，

and having an important role

扮演重要角色，

and communication with this guy in the moment.

以及在當下和這個傢伙溝通。

DJ Quick once said, "Isn't it incredible

DJ 奎克曾說過：

「能夠讓大家在嘻哈中 看見你的構想，不是很棒嗎？

how you make people see your vision in hip-hop?

The way that people look at hip-hop is through your eyes."

大家透過你的眼睛來看嘻哈。」

I'm really, really proud of what I've created,

我非常非常驕傲， 我能夠創作出這些，

what I've done, and passionately working

我能做到這些，帶著熱情工作，

to make quality work constantly.

經常能產生出優質的作品。

It's not about taking a photo.

重點不是拍攝照片。

For me, it's about giving a photo

對我來說，重點是把照片獻給

to people that believe in it so much. Thank you.

那麼相信它的人。

謝謝。