Are women better leaders than men? - Leadership

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ. ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ืžืชื•ืจื’ืžื•ืช ืžืชื•ืจื’ืžื•ืช ื‘ืžื›ื•ื ื”.

00:01
Would you like to be led by an all-women team?
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ื”ืื ื”ื™ื™ืช ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืจืืฉื•ืช ืฆื•ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื ืฉื™ื?
00:05
What is it like to be a woman leader in a man's world?
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ืื™ืš ื–ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืื™ืฉื” ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื” ื‘ืขื•ืœื ืฉืœ ื’ื‘ืจื™ื?
00:09
A huge risk is attached to undertaking
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ืกื™ื›ื•ืŸ ืขืฆื•ื ื›ืจื•ืš ื‘ืงื‘ืœืช
00:11
leadership positions when you're a woman,
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ืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื›ืฉืืช ืื™ืฉื”,
00:14
because you are judged on the basis of prejudice โ€“
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ื›ื™ ืืช ื ืฉืคื˜ืช ืขืœ ืกืžืš ื“ืขื•ืช ืงื“ื•ืžื•ืช -
00:19
prejudice linked to your gender.
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ื“ืขื•ืช ืงื“ื•ืžื•ืช ื”ืงืฉื•ืจื•ืช ืœืžื™ืŸ ืฉืœืš.
00:21
We are going to look at what it takes to be a woman who leads.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืœื‘ื“ื•ืง ืžื” ื ื“ืจืฉ ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืื™ืฉื” ืฉืžื•ื‘ื™ืœื”.
00:25
There might be lessons in it for men too.
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ืื•ืœื™ ื™ืฉ ื‘ื–ื” ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ื ื’ื ืœื’ื‘ืจื™ื.
00:32
The picture that made headlines around the world:
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ื”ืชืžื•ื ื” ืฉืขืœืชื” ืœื›ื•ืชืจื•ืช ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื:
00:35
some of the leaders of Finland's new coalition government,
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ื›ืžื” ืžืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ ืžืžืฉืœืช ื”ืงื•ืืœื™ืฆื™ื” ื”ื—ื“ืฉื” ืฉืœ ืคื™ื ืœื ื“,
00:39
notable for their gender and the way this informs
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ื”ื‘ื•ืœื˜ื™ื ื‘ืžื’ื“ืจื ื•ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืฉื‘ื• ื–ื” ืžื•ื“ื™ืข ืขืœ
00:42
their policy and leadership.
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ืžื“ื™ื ื™ื•ืชื ื•ื”ื ื”ื’ืชื.
00:45
All five leaders were women. All but one were under the age of 35
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ื›ืœ ื—ืžืฉืช ื”ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื ืฉื™ื. ื›ื•ืœื, ืžืœื‘ื“ ืื—ื“, ื”ื™ื• ืžืชื—ืช ืœื’ื™ืœ 35
00:49
when they took power in December 2019.
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ื›ืฉืขืœื• ืœืฉืœื˜ื•ืŸ ื‘ื“ืฆืžื‘ืจ 2019.
00:53
Sanna Marin, at the age of 34,
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ืกืื ื” ืžืจื™ืŸ, ื‘ื’ื™ืœ 34,
00:56
became Finland's youngest ever Prime Minister.
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ื”ืคื›ื” ืœืจืืฉ ื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื” ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืื™ ืคืขื ืฉืœ ืคื™ื ืœื ื“.
01:00
Finland has a record of leading when it comes to women's rights:
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ืœืคื™ื ืœื ื“ ื™ืฉ ืจืงื•ืจื“ ืฉืœ ืžื•ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ื ื•ื’ืข ืœื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื ืฉื™ื:
01:03
the first country in the world to give full voting rights to women,
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ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื‘ืขื•ืœื ืฉื”ืขื ื™ืงื” ื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืฆื‘ืขื” ืžืœืื•ืช ืœื ืฉื™ื,
01:08
and one used to females in positions of power.
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ื•ืื—ืช ืจื’ื™ืœื” ืœื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืขืžื“ื•ืช ื›ื•ื—.
01:11
The women say there are pitfalls to having an all-female team.
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ื”ื ืฉื™ื ืื•ืžืจื•ืช ืฉื™ืฉื ืŸ ืžืœื›ื•ื“ื•ืช ื‘ืฆื•ื•ืช ืฉื›ื•ืœื• ื ืฉื™ื.
01:15
What we want is not to reproduce
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ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ื–ื” ืœื ืœืฉื—ื–ืจ ืืช
01:18
the excluding structures, that men have used,
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ื”ืžื‘ื ื™ื ื”ื‘ืœืชื™ ื ื›ืœืœื™ื, ืฉื’ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืฉืชืžืฉื• ื‘ื”ื,
01:22
as women, but really, kind of, to change those structures.
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ื›ื ืฉื™ื, ืืœื ื‘ืืžืช, ื‘ืขืจืš, ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื”ืžื‘ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื”.
01:25
And there have been disagreements between the leaders,
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ื•ื”ื™ื• ื—ื™ืœื•ืงื™ ื“ืขื•ืช ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื,
01:29
but Finland won praise for its early handling of the coronavirus pandemic,
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ืื‘ืœ ืคื™ื ืœื ื“ ื–ื›ืชื” ืœืฉื‘ื—ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ ื”ืžื•ืงื“ื ืฉืœื” ื‘ืžื’ื™ืคืช ื”ืงื•ืจื•ื ื”,
01:34
like some other female-led countries,
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ื›ืžื• ื›ืžื” ืžื“ื™ื ื•ืช ืื—ืจื•ืช ื‘ืจืืฉื•ืช ื ืฉื™ื,
01:37
And the government is pushing an ambitious equality programme,
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ื•ื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ื“ื•ื—ืคืช ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ืฉื•ื•ื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืืคืชื ื™ืช,
01:40
that gives greater rights to trans people,
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ืฉื ื•ืชื ืช ื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื’ื“ื•ืœื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœืื ืฉื™ื ื˜ืจื ืกื™ื,
01:42
encourages parents to share caring responsibilities
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ืžืขื•ื“ื“ืช ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืœื—ืœื•ืง ืื—ืจื™ื•ืช ืื›ืคืชื™ืช
01:46
and closes the gender pay gap.
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ื•ืœืกื’ื•ืจ ืืช ืคืขืจื™ ื”ืฉื›ืจ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืžื™ื ื™ื.
01:49
So, what does Finland's example tell us about female leadership
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ืื– ืžื” ื”ื“ื•ื’ืžื” ืฉืœ ืคื™ื ืœื ื“ ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื ื• ืขืœ ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื ืฉื™ืช
01:53
in a man's world?
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ื‘ืขื•ืœืžื• ืฉืœ ื’ื‘ืจื™ื?
01:56
All women in the 'Finnish Five' coalition
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ืœื›ืœ ื”ื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืงื•ืืœื™ืฆื™ื™ืช 'ื—ืžืฉ ื”ืคื™ื ื™ื•ืช'
01:59
have, kind of, experiential understanding of,
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ื™ืฉ, ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ, ื”ื‘ื ื” ื—ื•ื•ื™ื™ืชื™ืช ืฉืœ,
02:03
you know, exclusion and marginalisation and living in hardship.
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื”ื“ืจื” ื•ื“ื—ื™ืงื” ืœืฉื•ืœื™ื™ื ื•ื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ืžืฆื•ืงื”.
02:07
And I think that also makes them, you know,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ื’ื ื’ื•ืจื ืœื”ื, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข,
02:12
understand, care and value it more,
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ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ, ืœื˜ืคืœ ื•ืœื”ืขืจื™ืš ืืช ื–ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ,
02:15
as well as inclusion and solidarity.
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ื›ืžื• ื’ื ืœื”ื›ืœื” ื•ืœืกื•ืœื™ื“ืจื™ื•ืช.
02:17
The Finnish leaders put care at the heart
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ื”ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื ื”ืคื™ื ื™ื™ื ืฉืžื™ื ืืช ื”ืื›ืคืชื™ื•ืช ื‘ืœื‘
02:20
of the decisions they make and goals they set.
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ื”ื”ื—ืœื˜ื•ืช ืฉื”ื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ื•ื”ื™ืขื“ื™ื ืฉื”ื ืžืฆื™ื‘ื™ื.
02:23
But actually working towards that goal involves perseverance,
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ืื‘ืœ ืœืžืขืฉื” ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืœืงืจืืช ื”ืžื˜ืจื” ื”ื–ื• ื›ืจื•ื›ื” ื‘ื”ืชืžื“ื”,
02:29
and working through difference, and working through conflict,
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ื•ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื“ืจืš ื”ืฉื•ื ื™, ื•ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื“ืจืš ืงื•ื ืคืœื™ืงื˜,
02:32
and trying to find a way around and through all these differences,
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ื•ื ื™ืกื™ื•ืŸ ืœืžืฆื•ื ื“ืจืš ืœืขืงื•ืฃ ื•ื“ืจืš ื›ืœ ื”ื”ื‘ื“ืœื™ื ื”ืืœื”,
02:37
like political affiliation or beliefs
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ื›ืžื• ื”ืฉืชื™ื™ื›ื•ืช ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ืช ืื• ืืžื•ื ื•ืช
02:40
or, you know, your stances and so on.
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ืื•, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืขืžื“ื•ืชื™ืš ื•ื›ืŸ ื”ืœืื”.
02:44
So, I think women are experientially made to, kind of,
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ืื–, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื ืฉื™ื ืขืฉื•ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื—ื•ื•ื™ื™ืชื™ืช
02:49
work in that way from their early age
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ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ื• ืžื’ื™ืœืŸ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ
02:52
and they don't just give up on the first hurdle
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ื•ื”ืŸ ืœื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžื•ื•ืชืจื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ืžื›ืฉื•ืœ ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ
02:55
but, you know, persevere.
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ืืœื, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืœื”ืชืžื™ื“.
02:58
The Finnish leaders have different political beliefs,
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ืœืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื ื”ืคื™ื ื™ื™ื ื™ืฉ ืืžื•ื ื•ืช ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื•ืช,
03:01
but they persevere to work through their differences together.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืžืชืžื™ื“ื™ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ื”ื”ื‘ื“ืœื™ื ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื.
03:05
A huge risk is attached to undertaking
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ืกื™ื›ื•ืŸ ืขืฆื•ื ื›ืจื•ืš ื‘ืงื‘ืœืช
03:09
leadership positions when you're a woman,
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ืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื›ืฉืืช ืื™ืฉื”,
03:11
because you are judged on the basis of prejudice โ€“
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ื›ื™ ืืช ื ืฉืคื˜ืช ืขืœ ืกืžืš ื“ืขื•ืช ืงื“ื•ืžื•ืช -
03:16
prejudice linked to your gender.
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ื“ืขื•ืช ืงื“ื•ืžื•ืช ื”ืงืฉื•ืจื•ืช ืœืžื™ืŸ ืฉืœืš.
03:18
So, if Finnish Five, for example, was to fail for any reason,
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ืื– ืื ื—ืžืฉ ื”ืคื™ื ื™ื•ืช, ืœืžืฉืœ, ื”ื™ื• ื ื›ืฉืœื™ื ืžืกื™ื‘ื” ื›ืœืฉื”ื™,
03:23
you know, or misdeliver on the promises that they made,
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื• ืขืžื™ื“ื” ื‘ื˜ืขื•ืช ื‘ื”ื‘ื˜ื—ื•ืช ืฉื”ื ื”ื‘ื˜ื™ื—ื•,
03:28
they would probably be judged, you know, harsher
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ื”ื ื›ื ืจืื” ื”ื™ื• ื ืฉืคื˜ื™ื, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื‘ื—ื•ืžืจื”
03:31
than their male counterparts โ€“
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ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืืฉืจ ืขืžื™ืชื™ื”ื ื”ื’ื‘ืจื™ื -
03:34
by politicians or media or their electorate.
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ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ืงืื™ื ืื• ื›ืœื™ ืชืงืฉื•ืจืช ืื• ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจ ื”ื‘ื•ื—ืจื™ื ืฉืœื”ื .
03:38
So, women leaders are judged more harshly than male leaders.
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ืœื›ืŸ, ื ืฉื™ื ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื ืฉืคื˜ื•ืช ื‘ื—ื•ืžืจื” ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ื ื’ื‘ืจื™ื.
03:42
They face prejudice because of their gender. Is that fair?
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ื”ื ืžืชืžื•ื“ื“ื™ื ืขื ื“ืขื•ืช ืงื“ื•ืžื•ืช ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ืžื’ื“ืจ ืฉืœื”ื. ื”ืื ื–ื” ื”ื•ื’ืŸ?
03:46
The pandemic, or financial crisis, or climate crisis:
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ื”ืžื’ื™ืคื”, ืื• ื”ืžืฉื‘ืจ ื”ืคื™ื ื ืกื™, ืื• ืžืฉื‘ืจ ื”ืืงืœื™ื:
03:51
they're... they are making it obvious
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ื”ื... ื”ื ืžื‘ื”ื™ืจื™ื
03:53
that this kind of inclusive, caring leadership
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ืฉืกื•ื’ ื–ื” ืฉืœ ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื›ื•ืœืœื ื™ืช ื•ืื›ืคืชื™ืช
03:56
is something that we require in order to get through.
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ื”ื™ื ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืื ื• ื“ื•ืจืฉื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ.
04:01
And I think that's what propelled...
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื ื™ืข...
04:05
that is exactly what propelled this kind of โ€“
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ื–ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื” ืฉื”ื ื™ืข ืืช
04:09
traditionally understood โ€“ this feminine leadership forward.
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ื”ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื”ื ืฉื™ืช ื”ื–ื• ืงื“ื™ืžื” - ื‘ื”ื‘ื ื” ืžืกื•ืจืชื™ืช.
04:13
And I can see, you know, it being applied widely in the future.
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ื•ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืจืื•ืช, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื–ื” ืžื™ื•ืฉื ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื ืจื—ื‘ ื‘ืขืชื™ื“.
04:19
So, the leadership qualities traditionally associated with women,
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ืœื›ืŸ, ืชื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื”ืงืฉื•ืจื•ืช ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืžืกื•ืจืชื™ ืœื ืฉื™ื,
04:24
such as caring for others and working together,
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ื›ืžื• ื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ ื‘ืื—ืจื™ื ื•ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืžืฉื•ืชืคืช,
04:27
have proven successful in tackling global crises.
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ื”ื•ื›ื™ื—ื• ืืช ืขืฆืžืŸ ื›ืžื•ืฆืœื—ื•ืช ื‘ื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ื•ืช ืขื ืžืฉื‘ืจื™ื ืขื•ืœืžื™ื™ื.
04:36
Meggie Palmer started life as a journalist,
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ืžื’ื™ ืคืืœืžืจ ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืืช ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื›ืขื™ืชื•ื ืื™ืช,
04:39
but realised she had a different story to tell.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื‘ื™ื ื” ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืื—ืจ ืœืกืคืจ.
04:43
Women across the world are generally paid less than men
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ื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื ืžืฉืชื›ืจื•ืช ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ืคื—ื•ืช ืžื’ื‘ืจื™ื
04:47
and don't hold as many top jobs in companies.
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ื•ืื™ื ืŸ ืžื—ื–ื™ืงื•ืช ื‘ื›ืžื” ืžืฉืจื•ืช ื‘ื›ื™ืจื•ืช ื‘ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช.
04:50
Meggie decided to do something about that,
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ืžื’ื™ ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ื ื™ื“ื•ืŸ,
04:53
so she set up PepTalkHer.
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ืื– ื”ื™ื ื”ืงื™ืžื” ืืช PepTalkHer.
04:56
It coaches women on getting fair pay
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ื”ื•ื ืžืืžืŸ ื ืฉื™ื ืœืงื‘ืœ ืฉื›ืจ ื”ื•ื’ืŸ
04:59
and pushes for gender balance in senior positions.
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ื•ื“ื•ื—ืฃ ืœืื™ื–ื•ืŸ ืžื’ื“ืจื™ ื‘ืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ื ื‘ื›ื™ืจื™ื.
05:03
Its aim is to end the pay gap
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ืžื˜ืจืชื• ื”ื™ื ืœืฉื™ื ืงืฅ ืœืคืขืจื™ ื”ืฉื›ืจ
05:05
and help women become the leaders they want to be.
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ื•ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื ืฉื™ื ืœื”ืคื•ืš ืœืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ืฉื”ืŸ ืจื•ืฆื•ืช ืœื”ื™ื•ืช.
05:09
So, I've had some really positive experiences as a woman in leadership:
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ืื– ื—ื•ื•ื™ืชื™ ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ืžืžืฉ ื—ื™ื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื›ืื™ืฉื” ื‘ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช:
05:13
I've had a lot of men and women who've sponsored me
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ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื’ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ื ืฉื™ื ืฉื ืชื ื• ืœื™ ื—ืกื•ืช
05:15
to get into more senior roles in the workforce.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื™ื›ื ืก ืœืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ื ื‘ื›ื™ืจื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ื›ื•ื— ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
05:19
I've also had some really negative experiences in the workplace,
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ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื’ื ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ืžืžืฉ ืฉืœื™ืœื™ื•ืช ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”,
05:22
with inappropriate behaviour, being spoken to differently
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ืขื ื”ืชื ื”ื’ื•ืช ืœื ื”ื•ืœืžืช, ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืืœื™ื™ ืื—ืจืช ื•ื™ื—ืกื• ืœื™
05:27
and being treated differently, purely because of my gender.
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ืื—ืจืช, ืืš ื•ืจืง ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ืžื’ื“ืจ ืฉืœื™.
05:31
Meggie Palmer has had positive and negative experiences.
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ืœืžื’ื™ ืคืืœืžืจ ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ื—ื™ื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื•ืฉืœื™ืœื™ื•ืช.
05:36
She has been supported to reach senior positions,
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ื”ื™ื ื–ื›ืชื” ืœืชืžื™ื›ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ื ื‘ื›ื™ืจื™ื,
05:39
but she has also been treated differently to her male colleagues.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื’ื ื–ื›ืชื” ืœื™ื—ืก ืฉื•ื ื” ืžื”ืงื•ืœื’ื•ืช ื”ื’ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื”.
05:43
I had an experience of pay inequality in my career:
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ืฉืœ ืื™ ืฉื•ื•ื™ื•ืŸ ื‘ืฉื›ืจ ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™:
05:47
I found out that I was being paid less
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ื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืฉืžืฉืœืžื™ื ืœื™ ืคื—ื•ืช
05:49
and had different terms and conditions to my employment,
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ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืชื ืื™ื ื•ื”ื’ื‘ืœื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื™ื ืžื”ื”ืขืกืงื” ืฉืœื™,
05:53
when compared to my male colleagues.
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ื‘ื”ืฉื•ื•ืื” ืœืขืžื™ืชื™ื™ ื”ื’ื‘ืจื™ื.
05:56
This didn't seem fair to me, so I raised it with the bosses
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ื–ื” ืœื ื ืจืื” ืœื™ ื”ื•ื’ืŸ, ืื– ื”ืขืœื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืขื ื”ื‘ื•ืกื™ื
06:00
and they said to me: 'Meggie, if you don't like it,
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ื•ื”ื ืืžืจื• ืœื™: 'ืžื’ื™, ืื ื–ื” ืœื ืžื•ืฆื ื—ืŸ ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ืš,
06:03
you can quit or you can take us to court.'
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ืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืคืจื•ืฉ ืื• ืฉืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืงื—ืช ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืฉืคื˜'.
06:06
Now, this is a few years ago, so I hope
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื–ื” ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื, ืื– ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื”
06:08
that things have changed somewhat.
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ืฉื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืฉืชื ื• ื‘ืžืงืฆืช.
06:11
Although, what we know is that the gender pay gap still exists
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ืื ื›ื™, ืžื” ืฉืื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ื”ื•ื ืฉืคืขืจื™ ื”ืฉื›ืจ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืžื™ื ื™ื ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืงื™ื™ืžื™ื
06:15
all around the world โ€“ still to this day.
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ื‘ื›ืœ ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื - ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื.
06:18
Meggie had her own experiences of being paid less
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ืœืžื’ื™ ื”ื™ื• ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ืžืฉืœื” ืฉืœ ืฉื›ืจ ืคื—ื•ืช
06:21
than her male counterparts โ€“ pay inequality โ€“
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ืžืขืžื™ืชื™ื” ื”ื’ื‘ืจื™ื - ืื™ ืฉื•ื•ื™ื•ืŸ ื‘ืฉื›ืจ -
06:24
and wanted to do something about it.
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ื•ืจืฆืชื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ื ื™ื“ื•ืŸ.
06:27
Being the only person anywhere is lonely, right?
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ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื”ืื“ื ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื ื–ื” ื‘ื•ื“ื“, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
06:30
If you're the only person of colour, if you're the only woman,
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ืื ืืชื” ื”ืื“ื ื”ืฆื‘ืขื•ื ื™ ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“, ืื ืืชื” ื”ืื™ืฉื” ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื”,
06:33
it's... it can be lonely,
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ื–ื”... ื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื•ื“ื“,
06:35
and so... you know, that's what women leaders tell me โ€“ that it is lonely
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ื•ืœื›ืŸ... ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืžื ื”ื™ื’ื™ ื ืฉื™ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื™ - ืฉื–ื” ื‘ื•ื“ื“
06:39
and I've... you know, I sit on some not-for-profit boards
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ื•ืื ื™ ... ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ืฉื‘ ื‘ื›ืžื” ืžื•ืขืฆื•ืช ืœื ืœืžื˜ืจื•ืช ืจื•ื•ื—
06:41
and I've had the experience as well of... of raising issues,
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ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื’ื ื ื™ืกื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืœ... ืœื”ืขืœื•ืช ื ื•ืฉืื™ื,
06:45
particularly that pertain to women,
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ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื”ื ื•ื’ืขื™ื ืœื ืฉื™ื,
06:48
and just getting crickets from all the men on the board, right?
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ื•ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœืงื‘ืœ ืฆืจืฆืจื™ื ืžื›ืœ ื”ื’ื‘ืจื™ื ื‘ืžื•ืขืฆืช ื”ืžื ื”ืœื™ื , ื™ืžื™ืŸ?
06:52
And I would get a little bit of support, maybe,
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ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืงื‘ืœ ืงืฆืช ืชืžื™ื›ื”, ืื•ืœื™,
06:53
from one of the other female board members, but we were outnumbered.
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ืžืื—ืช ืžื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ื”ื”ื ื”ืœื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ืช , ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื›ืžื•ืช ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ื™ื•ืชืจ.
06:57
And so, when you're outnumbered, it's really hard to create that change, right?
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ื•ืœื›ืŸ, ื›ืฉืืชื” ื ืžืฆื ื‘ืžืกืคืจ ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ืงืฉื” ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื ื•ื™ ื”ื–ื”, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
07:01
And so, it's frustrating
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ื•ืœื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ืžืชืกื›ืœ
07:03
but it's something that we need to continue to talk about.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ื•.
07:07
We have to keep amplifying this issue.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ื•ืœื”ื’ื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ื ื•ืฉื ื”ื–ื”.
07:10
Meggie knows what it is like to be one of the only women in the boardroom.
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ืžื’ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื” ื–ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืื—ืช ื”ื ืฉื™ื ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื•ืช ื‘ื—ื“ืจ ื”ื™ืฉื™ื‘ื•ืช.
07:14
Women leaders can often feel isolated.
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ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ื ืฉื™ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื•ืช ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืžื‘ื•ื“ื“ื•ืช.
07:18
So, when we think about whose responsibility is it
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ืœื›ืŸ, ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืื—ืจื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืžื™
07:21
to improve these situations,
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ืœืฉืคืจ ืืช ื”ืžืฆื‘ื™ื ื”ืืœื”,
07:23
really, it's all of our responsibilities.
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ื‘ืืžืช, ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื”ืื—ืจื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื•.
07:26
This is not a problem just for women to solve;
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ื–ื• ืœื ื‘ืขื™ื” ืจืง โ€‹โ€‹ืœื ืฉื™ื ืœืคืชื•ืจ;
07:29
this is not a problem just for leadership to solve;
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ื–ื• ืœื ื‘ืขื™ื” ืจืง โ€‹โ€‹ืœืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช ืœืคืชื•ืจ;
07:32
this is a problem for all of us to solve.
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ื–ื• ื‘ืขื™ื” ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืคืชื•ืจ.
07:35
When you are in middle management and you are hiring,
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ื›ืฉืืชื” ื‘ื ื™ื”ื•ืœ ื”ื‘ื™ื ื™ื™ื ื•ืืชื” ืžื’ื™ื™ืก,
07:38
you have the ability to say: 'I want to make sure
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ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืืช ื”ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืœื•ืžืจ: 'ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื•ื•ื“ื
07:40
that I'm interviewing male and female candidates.' Right?
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ืฉืื ื™ ืžืจืื™ื™ืŸ ืžื•ืขืžื“ื™ื ื•ืžื•ืขืžื“ื™ื'. ื™ืžื™ืŸ?
07:44
When you are interviewing for jobs, you can actively ask:
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ื›ืืฉืจ ืืชื” ืžืชืจืื™ื™ืŸ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืืชื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืฉืื•ืœ ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืคืขื™ืœ:
07:47
'What are the policies here to encourage diversity amongst the team?'
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'ืžื” ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื™ื•ืช ื›ืืŸ ื›ื“ื™ ืœืขื•ื“ื“ ื’ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ื‘ืฆื•ื•ืช?'
07:51
Meggie says change is everyone's responsibility.
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ืžื’ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช ืฉืฉื™ื ื•ื™ ื”ื•ื ื‘ืื—ืจื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื›ื•ืœื.
07:55
Everyone, at whatever level, should ask the questions
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ื›ืœ ืื—ื“, ื‘ื›ืœ ืจืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื, ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืืช ื”ืฉืืœื•ืช
07:58
that will lead to more equality in the workplace.
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ืฉื™ื•ื‘ื™ืœื• ืœื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื•ื•ื™ื•ืŸ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
08:01
So, we know that when there are women in leadership, companies perform better.
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ืื–, ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉื›ืืฉืจ ื™ืฉ ื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช, ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ืžืชืคืงื“ื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ ื™ื•ืชืจ.
08:06
We know that women-led start-ups return a higher return on investment
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉืกื˜ืืจื˜-ืืคื™ื ื‘ืจืืฉื•ืช ื ืฉื™ื ืžื—ื–ื™ืจื™ื ืœืžืฉืงื™ืขื™ื ื”ื—ื–ืจ ื’ื‘ื•ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขืœ ื”ื”ืฉืงืขื”
08:10
to investors, than teams of start-ups that just have men in leadership.
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, ืžืืฉืจ ืฆื•ื•ืชื™ื ืฉืœ ืกื˜ืืจื˜-ืืคื™ื ืฉืจืง ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ื’ื‘ืจื™ื ื‘ื”ื ื”ื’ื”.
08:15
We know when we're looking at larger businesses,
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉื›ืืฉืจ ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืกืชื›ืœื™ื ืขืœ ืขืกืงื™ื ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ,
08:17
when there are women in the c-suite,
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ื›ืฉื™ืฉ ื ืฉื™ื ื‘-c-suite,
08:19
the net profit of that business goes up.
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ื”ืจื•ื•ื— ื”ื ืงื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืขืกืง ื”ื–ื” ืขื•ืœื”.
08:22
When we have women in leadership, what we find is
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ื›ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช, ืžื” ืฉืื ื• ืžื’ืœื™ื ื”ื•ื
08:24
the decision-making process is more robust and more effective.
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ืชื”ืœื™ืš ืงื‘ืœืช ื”ื”ื—ืœื˜ื•ืช ื—ื–ืง ื™ื•ืชืจ ื•ืืคืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ.
08:29
Research shows that companies that have women in leadership roles
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ืžื—ืงืจื™ื ืžืจืื™ื ืฉื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื”ืŸ ื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช
08:33
perform better.
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ืžืชืคืงื“ื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ ื™ื•ืชืจ.
08:38
So, what have we learnt about women in leadership?
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ืื– ืžื” ืœืžื“ื ื• ืขืœ ื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช?
08:41
They face more judgement and risk to their reputations,
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ื”ื ืžืชืžื•ื“ื“ื™ื ืขื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื™ืคื•ื˜ื™ื•ืช ื•ืกื™ื›ื•ืŸ ืœืžื•ื ื™ื˜ื™ืŸ ืฉืœื”ื,
08:45
but they're likely to prioritise care and compassion in decision-making
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืฆืคื•ื™ื™ื ืœืชืช ืขื“ื™ืคื•ืช ืœื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ ื•ื—ืžืœื” ื‘ืงื‘ืœืช ื”ื—ืœื˜ื•ืช
08:49
and they can make businesses and governments more effective.
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ื•ื”ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืคื•ืš ืขืกืงื™ื ื•ืžืžืฉืœื•ืช ืœื™ืขื™ืœื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ.
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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