What Americans agree on when it comes to health | Rebecca Onie

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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Helen Chang
00:12
Today, we are a country divided,
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現今,我們是個分裂的國家,
00:15
or at least that's what we're told.
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或者,至少我們聽到的是這樣。
00:18
We are torn apart by immigration, education, guns
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我們被移民、教育、槍枝,
以及健康照護拆得四分五裂。
00:23
and health care.
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00:25
Health care is ugly and it is loud,
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健康照護很醜惡, 且它的聲音很大,
00:28
so loud that it threatens to drown out everything else.
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大到幾乎可以蓋過 所有其他的聲音。
00:32
(Voice-over) Protesters: Health care is a human right! Fight, fight, fight!
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(旁白)抗議者:健康照護 是人權!拼啊,拼啊,拼啊!
00:36
Protesters: Hey hey! Ho ho! Obamacare has got to go!
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抗議者:嘿嘿!喔喔! 歐巴馬照護不能留!
00:41
Rebecca Onie: But what if underneath all the noise,
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雷貝嘉奧尼:但,如果 在所有這些噪音的背後,
00:43
we're not divided?
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我們其實並沒有分裂呢?
00:45
What if the things that we don't ask about
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如果我們不過問的事物
00:47
are the things that we most agree upon?
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就是我們最一致同意的事物呢?
00:50
It turns out that when we ask the right questions,
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結果發現,當我們問對問題,
00:53
the answers are startling,
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答案是很驚人的,
00:56
because we agree, not on health care, but on something more important:
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因為在健康照護上 我們並沒有一致看法,
但在更重要的地方卻有:
01:01
we agree on health.
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我們對健康的看法一致。
01:04
For 20 years, I've been obsessed with one question:
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二十年來,我一直 對一個問題很著迷:
01:08
What do we, what do all of us need in order to be healthy?
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我們所有人需要什麼, 才能夠保持健康?
01:13
As a college student in 1995,
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1995 年,我讀大學時, 花了數個月時間,
01:15
I spent months talking to physicians at a chaotic hospital in Boston,
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在波士頓一間混亂的醫院, 和該院的醫生談,
01:19
asking them, "What's the one thing your patients most need to be healthy?"
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我問他們:「你的病人 最需要什麼,才能夠保持健康?」
01:25
They shared the same story again and again,
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他們一次又一次跟我說相同的故事,
01:28
one that I've heard hundreds of variations of since.
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從那之後,我聽過 這故事的數百種版本。
01:32
They say, "Every day I see a patient with an asthma exacerbation,
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他們說:「每天,當我看了 一名哮喘急性發作的病人,
01:35
and I prescribe a controller medication.
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我就會控制性藥物的處方給他。
01:38
But I know she is living in a mold-infested apartment.
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但我知道她住在 有大量黴菌的公寓裡。
01:41
Or I see a kid with an ear infection, and I prescribe antibiotics,
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或者,我看了一個耳朵感染的 孩子,開了抗生素給他,
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but I know there is no food at home.
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但我知道他家中沒有食物。
01:48
And I don't ask about those issues, because there's nothing I can do."
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我不會去問那些議題, 因為我幫不上忙。」
01:53
Now, it seemed that it shouldn't be so complicated
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要根據人們真正的健康需求
01:56
to design a doctor's visit around what people actually need to be healthy.
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來設計一種醫生拜訪, 似乎不是太難的事。
02:00
So I created Health Leads,
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所以我創立了 「Health Leads」這個組織,
02:02
an organization enabling thousands of physicians and other caregivers
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它讓數千名醫生與其他照護者
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to ask their patients,
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能夠問他們的的病人:
02:08
"What do you need to be healthy?"
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「你需要什麼才能保持健康?」
02:10
and then prescribe those things --
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接著針對他們的答案來開處方——
02:13
fruits and vegetables, heat in the winter,
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水果、蔬菜、冬天的暖氣、
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electricity to refrigerate their medication --
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冰箱需要的電力, 這些是他們的藥——
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and we then navigated patients to those resources
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接著我們指引病人 在他們的的社區中
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in their communities.
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取得那些資源。
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The model works.
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這個模型行得通。
02:26
A Mass General Hospital study found that navigating patients to essential resources
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麻省總醫院有一項研究發現, 指引病人取得必要資源,
02:31
is associated with improvements in blood pressure and cholesterol levels
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會改善他們的血壓及膽固醇,
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similar to introducing a new drug,
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就類似使用新藥,
02:38
but without all the side effects.
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只差沒有那些副作用。
02:41
So two decades later, what's changed?
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二十年後,什麼改變了?
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It's now widely recognized that just 20 percent of health outcomes
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現在已經廣為認定,
只有 20% 的健康結果 和醫療照護有關,
02:49
are tied to medical care,
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02:51
whereas up to 70 percent are tied to healthy behaviors
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而高達 70% 來自健康的行為
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and what's called the social determinants of health --
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和所謂的「健康的社會決定因素」,
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basically, everything that happens to us for that vast majority of time
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基本上就是絕大部分
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when we're not in the doctor's office
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不在醫生辦公室或醫院裡。
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or the hospital.
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03:08
Health care executives now routinely remind us
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健康照護執行者經常提醒我們
03:10
that our zip code matters more than our genetic code.
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郵遞區號比基因編碼更重要。
03:14
And one health care publication even recently had the audacity
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近期甚至有一本 健康照護刊物大膽地
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to describe the social determinants of health
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將健康的社會決定因素描述為 「年度感覺良好的行話」。
03:20
as "the feel-good buzzword of the year."
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03:23
Now, there's been some action, too.
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一直也有些行動。
03:25
Over the past decade, six major health care providers and insurers
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在過去十年間,六間大型 健康照護提供者和保險業者
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have committed over 600 million dollars
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提撥了超過六億美金
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to affordable housing,
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用來協助提供可負擔住房,
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recognizing that it reduces infant mortality
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因為知道可負擔住房 能減低嬰兒的死亡率,
03:37
and increases life expectancy.
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並延長壽命。
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But let's be honest.
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但,老實說,
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Is our 3.5 trillion dollar health care system
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我們的 3.5 兆美金健康照護體制
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fundamentally designed to create health?
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基本上不就是設計來 創造健康的嗎?
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Absolutely not.
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絕對不是。
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Take access to healthy food.
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以健康食物的取得管道為例。
03:54
Not long ago, a teenage boy shows up at a hospital in Baltimore,
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不久前,一位青少年去 巴爾的摩的一間醫院看病,
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losing weight.
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他體重減輕很多。
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Just as his doctors are huddled up figuring out which metabolic panels
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當他的醫生們在討論要採用
哪些新陳代謝檢驗套組 以及血液檢測時,
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and blood tests to run,
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04:06
one of my colleagues asks out loud,
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我有一位同事大聲問:
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"Do you think he might be hungry?"
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「你們覺得他會不會是餓了?」
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It turned out that this kid had been kicked out of his housing
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結果發現這個孩子被趕出住房,
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and literally hadn't had a meal in weeks.
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數個星期沒有吃正餐。
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He said he was "... so relieved that somebody finally asked me."
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他說他「鬆了一口氣, 因為終於有人問我了。」
04:24
Somehow, we've created a health care system
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不知怎麼的,在我們 創造的健康照護體制中,
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where asking a patient "Are you hungry?"
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問病人「你餓不餓?」
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is so far outside the bounds of what counts as health care
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竟然遠超出健康照護的範圍,
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that we mostly fail or forget to ask altogether;
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我們幾乎沒有或是忘了問這個問題;
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where doctors lament a hospital's "no third sandwich policy,"
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讓醫生們很感慨的就是醫院的 「不給第三個三明治政策」,
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meaning that if you're a hungry patient in the ER,
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意思就是,如果你是 急診室的病人且你餓了,
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you can have only two free sandwiches,
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你只能拿到兩個免費的三明治,
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but as many MRIs as the doctor orders;
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但只要醫生囑付, 做多少次核磁共振都行;
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where, in 2016 in the state of Texas,
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2016 年,在德州,
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they spent 1.2 billion dollars on the medical costs of malnutrition
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有十二億美金被花在
營養失調的醫療成本上,
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instead of on access to healthy food;
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而不是花在取得 健康食物的管道上;
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where a Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services program
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聯邦醫療保險和聯邦醫療 輔助計劃服務中心有一個方案
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stratifies hungry patients,
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會將飢餓的病人分階級,
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so that some get access to food and some get information about food,
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有些人得到食物,
有些人得到食物的相關資訊,
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with the justification that doing nothing for hungry patients
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對飢餓患者無所作為
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is standard and usual care in this country.
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是我國合理、標準與常規的護理。
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And that's just food.
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那只是食物方面。
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The same is true for housing, electricity ...
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住房、電力等等也一樣……
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The bottom line is, health care may be changing,
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說到底,健康照護也許在改變,
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but not by enough and certainly not fast enough.
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但程度不夠大,速度也不夠快。
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We ask the wrong questions of our doctors, of our patients,
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我們不只問錯了醫生及病人的問題,
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but also of our citizens.
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公民的也錯了。
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We ask about and argue about health care,
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我們詢問、爭論「健康照護」,
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but how do voters think about health?
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但選民對「健康」的看法呢?
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No one could tell us the answer to that question,
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沒有人能告訴我們 那個問題的答案,
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so we launched a new initiative
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所以我們推出了一項新計畫,
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and hired a polling firm to ask voters across the country:
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僱用民調公司來問我國的選民:
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What do you need to be healthy?
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你需要什麼才健康?
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What was so striking about this was that no one has any clue
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很令人驚訝的是,
對於我們在健康照護中所談的東西,
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what we are talking about in health care.
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沒有人有任何頭緒。
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Voters do not think the social determinants of health
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選民不認為 「健康的社會決定因素」是個好詞,
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is a feel-good phrase.
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They actually hate it.
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反而很討厭它。
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"What uneducated person came up with that language?"
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「是哪個沒受過教育的人 想出那個用語的?」
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one of the voters said.
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這是其中一名選民說的。
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Or my favorite was the guy who said,
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我最愛的則是這個傢伙的說法:
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"You're killing me."
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「敗給你了。」
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But when you strip away all the ridiculousness
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但,當你把荒謬的健康照護用語
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of our language in health care,
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先擱在一旁,
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we know exactly what creates health.
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就清楚知道什麼創造健康。
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So take Charlotte, North Carolina.
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以北卡羅萊納州的夏洛特為例。
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We had two focus groups,
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我們有兩個焦點小組,
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one of African American Democratic women and one of white Republican women.
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一組是民主黨的非裔美國女性, 另一組是共和黨的白人女性。
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And we asked them, "If you had a hundred dollars,
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我們問他們:「如果你有一百元,
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how would you spend it to buy health in your community?
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在你的社區中,你會 怎麼用它來買到健康?」
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Turns out, they agree nearly to the last percentage point.
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結果發現他們看法幾乎完全一致。
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First, they agree that health care only sort of impacts health.
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首先,他們都認為健康照護 只對健康有部分影響。
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So they choose to spend the majority of their dollars
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所以他們選擇將大部分的錢花在
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outside of hospitals and clinics.
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醫院和診所以外的地方。
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And second, they agree on what creates health,
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第二,對於什麼能創造健康, 他們的意見也一致,
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spending 19 percent on affordable housing
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19% 的錢花在可負擔的住房上,
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and about 25 percent on access to healthy food.
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約 25% 的錢花在 取得健康食物的管道上。
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So I am sure you are thinking, "This has got to be a fluke."
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我相信你們現在在想 「這一定是僥倖碰對的」。
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But it's not.
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但並不是。
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White and Latino male swing voters in Seattle,
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西雅圖的白種 和拉丁裔男性中間選民、
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white and African American Democratic voters in Cleveland,
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克里夫蘭的民主黨 白種和非裔選民、
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white male Republicans in Dallas,
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達拉斯的共和黨白種男性、
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low-income white Democrats in Hendersonville, North Carolina:
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北卡羅萊納州亨德森維爾的 民主黨低收入白種人:
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their answers are strikingly similar,
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他們的答案都非常相似,
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with all of them choosing to spend more money
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他們全都選擇把比較多的錢
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on healthy food and safe housing
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花在健康食物和安全住房上,
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than they would on hospitals and health centers.
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高於花在醫院和健康中心的錢。
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When you ask the right questions,
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當你問對了問題,
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it becomes pretty clear:
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就能很清楚地知道:
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we may be fractured on health care in this country,
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在美國,我們或許 對健康照護的意見分歧,
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but we are unified on health.
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但我們對健康的意見是一致的。
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The thing that I've been struggling with is why.
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我一直在絞盡腦汁思考為什麼。
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Why do we agree on health?
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為什麼我們對健康的意見一致?
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We agree on health because it is common sense.
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我們對健康的意見一致, 是因為它是常識。
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We all know that the things we need to get healthy --
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我們都知道我們要 「變健康」所需要的東西——
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medicine and medical care --
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藥物和醫療照護——
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are not the things we need to be healthy,
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並不等於我們要 「保持健康」所需要的東西,
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to not get sick in the first place.
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也就是根本就不要生病。
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But we also agree because of common experience.
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我們對健康的意見一致, 也是因為共同經驗。
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In a study of 5,000 patients,
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有一項針對五千名病人 做的研究指出,
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24 percent of the patients with commercial health insurance --
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24% 有商業健康保險的病人——
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meaning, they had a job --
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也就是有工作的病人——
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still ran out of food or struggled to find housing or transportation
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仍然會沒有食物
或很難取得住房、交通工具,
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or other essential resources.
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或其他必要資源。
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Twenty-four percent.
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24%。
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And we saw the same thing in our focus groups.
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在我們的焦點小組中 也有相同的發現。
08:35
Nearly every voter knew what it meant to struggle,
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幾乎每位選民都知道 艱困是怎樣的感覺,
08:39
either themselves or their families
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也許是發生在自己身上、 家人身上,或鄰居身上。
08:42
or their neighbors.
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08:44
One of those white Republican women in Charlotte was a waitress
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夏洛特的一位共和黨白種女服務生
08:49
struggling to stay awake with an enormous Big Gulp soda.
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幾乎無法保持清醒, 要靠巨量杯的汽水幫忙。
08:53
She just looked exhausted.
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她看起來累壞了。
08:56
And she was.
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她的確累壞了。
08:57
She told us that she worked two jobs
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她告訴我們,她有兩份工作,
08:59
but still could not afford a membership to the Y,
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但仍然無法負擔 YMCA 的會籍,
09:02
but it was OK that she couldn't go to the gym, she said,
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但她說,她不能上健身房沒關係,
09:05
because she also could not afford gas
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因為她也負擔不起油錢,
09:08
and walked 10 miles to and from work
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所以上班來回各要走十英哩路,
09:11
every single day.
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天天用走的。
09:14
Listening to her, I felt this familiar panic rise in me,
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聽她說時,我感到我內在 出現了一種熟悉的恐慌,
09:18
the residue of my own childhood.
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是我童年的殘留下來的。
09:22
When I was 10 years old,
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當我十歲時,
09:24
my father lay on the living room floor
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我爸爸躺在客廳地板上,
09:26
in the grips of one of his many depressions.
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他常常憂鬱症發作, 這是其中一次。
09:30
As I crouched next to him, he told me that he wanted to kill himself.
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我蹲在他身邊時, 他告訴我他想要自殺。
09:37
My father lived,
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我爸爸活下來了,
09:39
but he struggled to work.
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但他很難找到工作。
09:41
And my family survived,
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我的家庭存活下來了, 但我們過得很辛苦,
09:43
but we teetered,
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09:45
down one paycheck,
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只靠我媽媽當老師的一份薪水養家。
09:46
relying on my mom's schoolteacher salary.
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09:49
Even as a little kid, I knew we lived in the shadow
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即使我當時很小,我也知道
我們住在財務和情緒崩潰的陰影下。
09:53
of financial and emotional collapse.
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09:57
This is really hard to say,
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這真的很難說出來,
09:59
because it's taken me 25 years to be honest with myself
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因為我花了二十五年的時間, 才誠實面對自己,
10:03
that this is why I do this work:
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承認這是我從事這項工作的原因。
10:07
knowing that my father needed health care to recover,
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我知道爸爸需要健康照護才能復元,
10:10
but to be healthy, my family needed something else,
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但我的家庭還需要別的才健康。
10:14
we needed a decent income;
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我知道我們需要夠用的收入;
10:16
and knowing, as so many do more than I,
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還知道,很多人比我更熟悉的,
10:19
that panic when the basics threaten to slip away.
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那可能失去基本飽暖的恐慌感。
10:24
To the voters in our focus groups, the solutions were straightforward.
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對我們焦點小組中的選民來說, 解決方案是很直觀的。
10:28
As one of those white Republican women in Charlotte said,
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有一位夏洛特的 共和黨白種女性說:
10:31
"Instead of putting all this money into health care,
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「別把所有的錢用在健康照護上,
10:34
put it into affordable housing.
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把錢改用在可負擔住房上。
10:36
You know, like, take it and distribute it differently."
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你知道的,用不同的方式 來分配錢的使用。」
10:41
It turns out that when you have the right language
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結果發現,只要你用對了用語
10:43
and you ask the right questions,
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並問對了問題,
10:46
the answers become remarkably clear
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答案就非常清楚且全體一致。
10:48
and unanimous.
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10:53
What we know is that, despite all the noise,
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我們知道的是,
儘管有許多噪音,
10:58
the plan for health care in this country
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這個國家中的健康照護計畫
11:01
is that there is no plan.
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就是沒有計畫。
11:03
But we have something more powerful than any politician's bill,
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但我們有更強大的東西, 勝過任何政客的法案、
11:08
any candidate's platform,
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任何候選人的平台、
11:10
any think tank's policy statement.
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任何智囊團的政策聲明。
11:13
We have our common sense and our common experience.
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我們有我們的常識以及共同經驗。
11:18
So I ask, if you are a health care executive:
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所以,如果你是健康照護 執行者,我想問:
11:22
Do you know how many of your patients run out of food
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你是否知道你的病人中 有多少人沒有食物?
11:24
or struggle to pay the rent at the end of the month?
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或為了月底付不出房租而苦?
11:27
Is that data on your scorecard,
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你的事業和你的獎金所參考的
11:30
shaping your business and your bonuses?
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計分卡上有那些資料嗎?
11:33
If you are a politician:
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如果你是政治人物:
11:35
Will you continue to fight on the scorched earth of health care,
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你會在健康照護的 焦土上努力奮鬥嗎?
11:40
or will you act on what your voters,
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或者你會依選民 來決定採取什麼行動?
11:42
what Democratic and Republican voters alike,
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民主黨和共和黨的選民同樣,
11:45
already know,
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他們已經知道
11:46
which is that good wages, healthy food and safe housing
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好的薪水、健康的食物,
和安全的住房就是健康。
11:50
are health?
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11:51
And for the rest of us, for the citizens of this country:
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至於其餘的人,我國的公民們:
11:56
Will we demand accountability to what we know to be true,
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我們能否要求對已知的事實究責?
12:00
which is that our common sense,
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也就是我們的常識
12:02
our common experience,
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以及我們的共同經驗
12:04
makes us the experts in what it takes to be healthy?
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讓我們成為專家, 知道健康需要什麼。
12:09
This moment, as it turns out,
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事實證明,此時,
12:11
is not about changing minds.
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重點不在於改變想法。
12:14
It is about something more powerful.
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重點在於更強大的東西。
12:17
It is about changing the questions we ask
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重點在於改變我們所問的問題
12:19
and quieting the noise to hear each other's answers.
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以及讓噪音安靜下來, 才能聽見彼此的答案。
12:24
It is about the radical possibility that we the patients,
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重點在於,很有可能我們病人、
12:28
we the physicians, we the caregivers,
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我們醫生、我們照護者、
12:31
we the health care executives
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我們健康照謢執行者, 還有我們人民,
12:32
and yes, even we the people,
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12:34
that we agree.
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其實意見一致。
12:36
And it is now time --
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現在是時候了——
12:38
in fact, long overdue --
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事實上,早就該做了——
12:40
for us to marshal the courage
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我們應該要引領有勇氣的人,
12:43
to hear those answers and to act upon them.
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去聽見那些答案, 並採取相應的行動。
12:47
Thank you.
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謝謝。
12:48
(Applause)
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